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| 08:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://devuan.org/toc has at least 2 404 links |
| 08:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I really can't find the list of devuanized packages, no matter how hard I try |
| 08:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah found them |
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| 09:26.08 | hellekin | at least? sounds like bugs |
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| 10:28.13 | markizano | Let's say I wanted to get Devuan on a linode - I can't pick one of the options they have available, as devuan isn't there yet. |
| 10:28.35 | markizano | How could I go about remote-installing devuan without access to the install disk's TTY ? |
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| 10:30.09 | markizano | Tried partitioning space, debootstrap + grub-install |
| 10:30.28 | markizano | + boot from disk direct (and set boot flag on sda1) |
| 10:30.30 | markizano | no dice :/ |
| 10:35.32 | detha | markizano: I would start off with a standard debian install, then change it to devuan repos |
| 10:35.57 | markizano | would that be a safe operation, having debian packages installed at the base like that? |
| 10:36.15 | markizano | aren't there dependencies modified to keep systemd out of the mix ? |
| 10:37.10 | detha | you might have to do some manual removing of stuff, but I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be safe |
| 10:37.32 | detha | google finds me https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan-and-minimalism |
| 10:40.22 | markizano | hrmm... nifteh |
| 10:40.24 | markizano | Thanks! |
| 10:52.33 | peetaur | I followed that guide, for the same reason too, and it worked fine. |
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| 11:34.19 | aitor | hi all |
| 11:34.53 | aitor | i was searching a forum about the Italian Renaissance, and i just found this irc channel |
| 11:35.13 | aitor | keep up your good work! |
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| 15:43.07 | aitor | today i'm working in a dynamical menu for openbox |
| 15:43.20 | aitor | it will be available tomorrow, i hope |
| 15:43.41 | aitor | the next will be the logout window |
| 15:44.04 | aitor | and the wallpaper manager |
| 15:45.22 | aitor | working on :) |
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| 16:26.58 | Rotia_K | hi all from Boston! |
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| 16:34.44 | Rotia_K | is there any ETA for the release of devuan stable? |
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| 18:55.49 | aitor | hi all, i changed from XChat to HexChat |
| 18:58.01 | aitor | anybody here? |
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| 19:08.29 | aitor | the top right menu of https://devuan.org/toc is cool |
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| 19:21.15 | golinux | aitor: I have nuked that menu with stylish. Different strokes |
| 19:23.30 | aitor | which menu? |
| 19:24.03 | golinux | <aitor> the top right menu of https://devuan.org/toc is cool |
| 19:24.59 | aitor | oh, ok, the website |
| 19:25.25 | aitor | sorry, i'm cooking :) |
| 19:27.04 | aitor | it's beautyfull |
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| 19:42.10 | aitor | another smith has joined :) |
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| 19:51.08 | aitor | fsmithred@68-184-46-18.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com |
| 19:51.24 | fsmithred | yeah? |
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| 19:51.44 | aitor | is oxfr = Osford ? |
| 19:51.48 | fsmithred | yes |
| 19:51.58 | aitor | Oxford |
| 19:52.02 | fsmithred | Ox like the animal, not Os like a mouth. |
| 19:52.18 | aitor | near Boston, isn't it? |
| 19:52.26 | fsmithred | yes |
| 19:52.38 | fsmithred | nearer than you are, anyway |
| 19:52.48 | aitor | lol |
| 19:54.25 | fsmithred | elusive aitor. That might have to be his new name. |
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| 19:56.28 | freemangordon | hi there, do you know if it is possible to install different distro on BQ Aquaris M10? |
| 19:56.32 | Rotia_K | hi all |
| 19:56.41 | Rotia_K | hi again from boston |
| 19:56.43 | freemangordon | parazyd: ^^^ any idea? |
| 19:57.01 | fsmithred | hi |
| 19:57.17 | Rotia_K | hi fsmithred |
| 19:57.40 | fsmithred | welcome to devuan |
| 19:57.48 | Rotia_K | thanks |
| 19:57.53 | wulllst | hey there, i just wanted to point out, that i think there's a problem with the dependencies of the package of adwaita-icon-theme in devuan. if i'm informed correctly, that packages belong to gnome 3. now here comes the problem: |
| 19:58.38 | wulllst | it seems, when you try to install a desktop environment (at least mate and lxde), it's often there as an unnecessary dependency, and you explicitly have to deselect it, which does not only have the benefit of getting rid of an unwanted icon theme, but will save you tens of megabytes of disk space, as one example i wrote down shows. |
| 19:59.40 | wulllst | i had executed "apt-get install lxde-core lxsession lxterminal lxappearance lxinput lxrandr gksu alsa-base alsa-utils mate-icon-theme adwaita-icon-theme- libsmbclient- samba-libs- xscreensaver-" to install a not too crowded desktop environment |
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| 20:00.19 | wulllst | then i wanted to install pluma as a text-editor (the standard text editor from mate desktop) |
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| 20:00.44 | Rotia_K | freemangordon, what are you saking to parazyd? |
| 20:01.05 | wulllst | i tried "apt-get install pluma", which gave me: 110 packages to be installed, 57,5 MB to be fetched and 193 MB to be used on my drive |
| 20:01.44 | Rotia_K | i tried to build pluma and caja yesterday, but i found some problems |
| 20:01.52 | Rotia_K | i'll try it again |
| 20:02.15 | freemangordon | Rotia_K: hmm? did you mean "saying"? |
| 20:02.16 | wulllst | in the list of packages to be installed, i found "adwaita-icon-theme", which i knew, i did not want. |
| 20:02.27 | Rotia_K | see you tomorrow, dear rebels :) |
| 20:02.53 | wulllst | so i simply tried "apt-get install pluma adwaita-icon-theme-". now see what happened: |
| 20:03.05 | wulllst | 14 packages to be installed, 4,852 MB to be fetched and 23,3 to be used on my drive |
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| 20:05.36 | wulllst | the outcome of deselecting adwaita-icon-theme to be automatically installed with vlc had kind of the same effect. |
| 20:06.26 | fsmithred | wulllst, you can try installing stuff without recommends |
| 20:06.48 | fsmithred | apt-get --no-install-recommends install <package> |
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| 20:07.36 | wulllst | fsmithred: ok, i know the option, but i'm a bit confused now....recommended and suggested packages don't seem to be the same |
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| 20:07.52 | fsmithred | they aren't the same |
| 20:08.08 | fsmithred | default is to install recommended packages |
| 20:08.13 | wulllst | fsmithred: suggested one are those one, displayed in an extra line and not automatically installed, right? |
| 20:08.15 | fsmithred | but not the suggested ones |
| 20:08.22 | wulllst | fsmithred: get it. |
| 20:08.23 | fsmithred | correct |
| 20:09.05 | wulllst | well, then i just wonder, if that is a sane recommendation. |
| 20:09.32 | fsmithred | a lot of people turn off auto installing recommends |
| 20:09.40 | wulllst | ok |
| 20:09.45 | fsmithred | because there's a lot of extra cruft with some packages |
| 20:10.24 | fsmithred | also, you may run into some weirdness when you add stuff to a lean installation |
| 20:10.45 | fsmithred | and occasionally, you'll get different results with aptitude vs. apt-get |
| 20:11.00 | fsmithred | not sure about just 'apt' as I never use that. |
| 20:11.05 | wulllst | ok, i'm dogmatically on apt-get |
| 20:11.21 | fsmithred | lol, same here |
| 20:11.36 | fsmithred | for lenny and squeeze it was aptitude |
| 20:11.37 | wulllst | but what do you mean by "lean installation"? |
| 20:12.05 | fsmithred | you started with standard system and added stuff individually - lean = not fat |
| 20:12.18 | wulllst | ok, i understand. |
| 20:12.55 | fsmithred | you can also do stuff to find cruft |
| 20:13.09 | wulllst | yes i was checking out the best way to install an kind of minimalistic version of lxde that still had my favorite applications in it today. |
| 20:13.25 | fsmithred | deborphan |
| 20:13.35 | fsmithred | apt-get autoremove |
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| 20:13.45 | fsmithred | aptitude search ~c |
| 20:13.51 | fsmithred | aptitude purge ~c |
| 20:14.11 | wulllst | well, what is that ~c? |
| 20:14.24 | fsmithred | looks for leftover config files from packages that were removed |
| 20:14.31 | wulllst | fantastic |
| 20:15.08 | fsmithred | deborphan shows packages that no longer serve a purpose |
| 20:15.45 | fsmithred | and when you remove those packages that it shows you, you should then run deborphan again |
| 20:15.57 | fsmithred | because there may now be more useless packages |
| 20:16.37 | wulllst | is there a real difference between apt-get autoremove and deborphan then? |
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| 20:17.47 | wulllst | i mean "unused" package seems to mean that i is not referenced by any installed package as a dependency. |
| 20:18.02 | wulllst | or an installed recommendation |
| 20:18.20 | fsmithred | yeah, I think there is, but I'd need to read both man pages carefully to figure out what the difference is |
| 20:18.33 | fsmithred | I just know I've found different packages using both methods |
| 20:19.19 | wulllst | ok, maybe i should check these man pages out soon. |
| 20:20.19 | fsmithred | also, there's a good doc on minimal install written by dev1fanboy |
| 20:20.51 | wulllst | fsmithred: right, i had a short glance at that recently |
| 20:20.52 | fsmithred | and if you want to dig back some years, a good one at forums.debian.net written by rickh |
| 20:23.08 | wulllst | ok, thanks for the hint |
| 20:23.17 | fsmithred | yw |
| 20:23.58 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 22:27.34 | parazyd | freemangordon: wouldn't know really |