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| 01:39.20 | ksx4system | is there any ETA for next beta and/or stable version release of jessie? |
| 01:43.46 | nextime | ksx4system: next beta probably before xmas, stable when it's ready |
| 01:44.22 | ksx4system | nextime imho it feels ready even today ;-) |
| 01:44.35 | nextime | it isn't, trust me :) |
| 01:45.05 | nextime | ( it works, but there is a lot of work to do ) |
| 01:53.06 | gallux | What architectures do devuan support? |
| 01:53.55 | gallux | Does* |
| 01:55.55 | nextime | actually, for the beta release, i386, amd64, armel, armhf and arm64 |
| 01:56.06 | nextime | immediatly after the stable release |
| 01:56.17 | nextime | we will add *all* architectures supported by debian |
| 01:58.49 | gallux | Thank you nextime :) |
| 02:00.48 | gallux | I have read that debian will drop some architectures in its new release "stretch". |
| 02:01.15 | nextime | we will continue to support them |
| 02:01.22 | nextime | like powerpc |
| 02:01.55 | gallux | So, I am a little worried because I have a old ppc computer... |
| 02:01.56 | nextime | only linux anyway, we will NOT support hurd and kernel-freebsd based debian |
| 02:01.59 | nextime | at least for the moment |
| 02:02.14 | nextime | gallux: you will be absolutely able to use devuan on it |
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| 02:04.00 | gallux | thank you :) for the info nextime :) |
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| 03:58.48 | ksx4system | nextime: if PowerPC will continue being supported - what about Cobalt MIPS boxes? |
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| 12:09.04 | jaromil | well we can support hurd if they decide to move to devuan |
| 12:09.36 | jaromil | regarding the architecture drop, saw that one coming, happy to score yet another correct prediction :^D |
| 12:12.45 | buZz | jaromil: buy signals on zec ;) |
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| 12:35.43 | ksx4system | premoboss: people that much conscious about their hardware architecture don't give a single fuck about systemd too so Devuan on these would be only viable choice |
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| 12:40.34 | asbesto | Jaromil |
| 12:40.37 | asbesto | Re: Enlightenment repo / build for DEVUAN Gnu/Linux Inbox |
| 12:40.37 | asbesto | Add star Niko2040<niko2040@bynets.ru>Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 12:05 PM |
| 12:40.37 | asbesto | To: asbesto <asbesto@gmail.com> |
| 12:40.37 | asbesto | Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Delete | Show original |
| 12:40.37 | asbesto | Hi! |
| 12:40.38 | asbesto | I rebuilt packages without systemd, so now you can try to use repository |
| 12:40.42 | asbesto | with Devuan. |
| 12:40.44 | asbesto | If you have other suggestions, please email me. |
| 12:40.46 | asbesto | Thanks for feedback! |
| 12:41.10 | buZz | awesome :D |
| 12:41.18 | asbesto | https://launchpad.net/~niko2040/+archive/ubuntu/e19 |
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| 13:36.28 | jaromil | ah cool! let us know how it goes! |
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| 14:45.56 | PnUic | Hi |
| 14:48.06 | Lydia_K | Hi |
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| 14:53.11 | detha | !H |
| 14:53.58 | Lydia_K | detha must be in Australia |
| 14:54.43 | detha | Right hemisphere, wrong continent |
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| 15:15.51 | somerandomnick | Someone needs to get the Devuan security infrastructure up, running, and *reliable*! |
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| 15:28.59 | fsmithred | hm, asbesto is not here. I added the niko2040 ppa to sources and tried to install the trusty version of enlightenment, but it doesn't like the devuan version of libpulse0. Is there a devuan-specific build that I'm not seeing? |
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| 15:29.45 | somerandomnick | The lack of reliable security infrastructure is a rather urgent situation... |
| 15:35.31 | golinux | somerandomnick: devuan mirrors debian security |
| 15:35.33 | n4dir | fsmithred: enlightenment the window manager? |
| 15:36.47 | somerandomnick | golinux: That is what seems to be the issue, problem is that mirror has cracks and/or needs a *lot* of glass cleaner (yet again it is falling behind the main Debian versions). |
| 15:37.52 | golinux | My guess is an amprolla issue |
| 15:38.11 | golinux | nextime: ^^^ |
| 15:39.00 | somerandomnick | Once Ceres is out, Devuan will need its own full security patching team. |
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| 15:53.52 | nextime | somerandomnick: ceres will not be released, ceres is like "sid" |
| 15:54.01 | nextime | probably you mean when jessie is out |
| 15:54.28 | nextime | and yes, for when jessie is out there will be amprolla2 that will address all the issues we found using amprolla until now |
| 15:55.06 | nextime | the issue with the security as is it now is that if a package update in debian has for us wrong dependencies this can broke things for us |
| 15:55.26 | somerandomnick | BIND has been updated. |
| 15:55.50 | somerandomnick | BIND has been updated. |
| 15:55.53 | nextime | somerandomnick: there is up to 18 hours of latency between debian and devuan update |
| 15:55.57 | fsmithred | n4dir, yes |
| 15:55.58 | somerandomnick | Grr, keyboard fun. |
| 15:56.09 | nextime | cause of 6 hours for dbian repo sync |
| 15:56.13 | n4dir | fsmithred: and it isn't in the repos? |
| 15:56.14 | nextime | and up to 12 hours for amprolla run |
| 15:56.23 | fsmithred | someone posted this ppa earlier: |
| 15:56.38 | somerandomnick | Make that once Ascii is out. |
| 15:56.47 | fsmithred | https://launchpad.net/~niko2040/+archive/ubuntu/e19?field.series_filter=trusty |
| 15:56.52 | nextime | somerandomnick: no, it will be done for jessie |
| 15:57.00 | nextime | ascii is our "testing" |
| 15:57.04 | n4dir | ah, e19 |
| 15:57.04 | nextime | jessie will be the first to be out |
| 15:57.05 | nextime | :) |
| 15:58.13 | fsmithred | n4dir, scroll back about four hours |
| 15:58.27 | fsmithred | brb, need coffee |
| 15:58.56 | n4dir | whew, nah, too much trouble. I only wanted to ask if it's about the wm, and if it is not in the repos, which imho it should be. e19 is a different thing, fsmithred |
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| 16:09.41 | fsmithred | at that page, it says e21 |
| 16:10.33 | n4dir | well: or that, at least not e17, which should be in the repos |
| 16:12.28 | fsmithred | 0.17.6-1 0 is in jessie |
| 16:12.38 | fsmithred | package name e17 |
| 16:13.29 | n4dir | i installed e19 in gentoo, but couldn't even start it. Is there a significant difference to e17 ? |
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| 16:13.57 | fsmithred | don't know. We had e17 in refracta-508 (dean's build) |
| 16:15.15 | fsmithred | gold theme, I ran it on a PIII with 64mb ram and could actually use some programs. |
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| 16:18.54 | n4dir | lol. 64 is tough |
| 16:19.21 | fsmithred | it was a test - I didn't run like that normally |
| 16:20.01 | fsmithred | anyway, asbesto posted something saying that someone built packages for devuan |
| 16:20.07 | fsmithred | I just don't know where they are |
| 16:20.21 | n4dir | ah. got you. |
| 16:20.42 | n4dir | but: like said: as long there is no significant difference, i wouldn't mind bout the newer version |
| 16:21.03 | fsmithred | bbiab |
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| 17:09.32 | nextime | i will be offline for a couple of days, tonight i have to sleep and tomorrow i will fly back to south africa |
| 17:09.48 | nextime | i'll be back the day after tomorrow |
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| 17:13.33 | AntoFox | buon viaggio |
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| 17:51.54 | detha | nextime: if you're around jhb, come say hello |
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| 18:30.14 | fsmithred | asbesto, where is the devuan version of enlightenment? I tried the trusty version, but it won't install. |
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| 19:18.45 | somerandomnick | I'm unsure of the timing of the security announce list versus when it shows up on repositories, but Devuan is now more than 20 hours behind so the earlier claims of 18 do not match. |
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| 19:29.42 | nextime | detha: no, i'm going at home in the mother city |
| 19:30.21 | nextime | well, of course i will be a lot more close to joburg than where i'm now |
| 19:30.34 | nextime | but i don't think you consider it "close" :) |
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| 19:39.23 | detha | nextime: alas, not close as in 'oh, I go past there every other day' |
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| 19:48.19 | voyo | hi guys, I'd like to ask about armel version of my favorite distro ;) are there plans to build that too ? |
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| 20:14.50 | nextime | voyo: armel is already supported |
| 20:15.18 | voyo | oh? where to download it ? |
| 20:15.43 | voyo | I dont see it on https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/ |
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| 20:16.00 | nextime | voyo: there is no iso installer, there are few images for some embedded machines, and there are all packages in repository |
| 20:16.14 | nextime | bus as you know armel isn't exactly something easy to distribute a generic iso |
| 20:16.34 | voyo | packages are fine, Im going to install with debootstrap |
| 20:16.42 | voyo | where I can find armel version then ? |
| 20:17.15 | nextime | https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/main/installer-armel/current/images/ |
| 20:17.47 | voyo | ha, thank you :) |
| 20:17.49 | nextime | here you can find the common installers ( kernel and initrd for netboot ) |
| 20:18.11 | voyo | need to check again from the front site.. I ommited it somehow obviously |
| 20:18.31 | nextime | voyo: the front web site is far to be complete yet :) |
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| 20:18.50 | nextime | anyway, atm we support 386, amd64, armel, armhf and arm64 |
| 20:19.02 | nextime | after release of the stable jessie we will expand to other archs too |
| 20:19.25 | voyo | Im using my custom kernel. for kirkwood. but to be honest - Im having huge problems with running 4.x kernel. I had to use 3.16, as latest one which is running ok. not sure why yet :-/ |
| 20:19.47 | nextime | jessie uses a 3.16 too |
| 20:19.54 | somerandomnick | I'm curious about kFreeBSD, and lack of security infrastructure... |
| 20:20.13 | nextime | somerandomnick: kFreeBSD isn't in our goals atm |
| 20:20.19 | nextime | there is no plan to support it |
| 20:20.23 | voyo | Im using devuan x64 on few my servers, upgraded from wheezy. I heard about devuan only recently.. good job guys :) |
| 20:20.30 | nextime | as it will not suffer from the systemd issues in debian |
| 20:21.03 | nextime | as for security, for the moment we just mirror the debian security repo in lazy manner, the security infrastructure will be fully implemented as soon as we exit from the beta stage |
| 20:21.28 | nextime | voyo: thanks |
| 20:21.29 | somerandomnick | kFreeBSD would kind of seem easier for Devuan due to the lack of systemd than proper Debian which is going systemd. |
| 20:21.42 | nextime | somerandomnick: easier but unusefull |
| 20:21.54 | voyo | good to hear you are following debian sec repo |
| 20:22.01 | nextime | as a devuan kFreeBSD will be exactly 1:1 as a debian kFreeBSD rebranded |
| 20:22.04 | nextime | so, make no sense |
| 20:22.10 | somerandomnick | nextime: The Devuan security repository is more than 24 hours behind Debian. |
| 20:22.27 | nextime | somerandomnick: usually we are 6 to 18 hours |
| 20:22.45 | nextime | sometime if debian repos sync is slow we can have more |
| 20:22.57 | nextime | somerandomnick: but you have to understand we are in beta |
| 20:23.13 | nextime | it will be faster and more stable after the RC release |
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| 20:23.33 | nextime | or.. you can help :) |
| 20:23.58 | somerandomnick | nextime: I'm unsure of how aligned the security announce versus the repository, but there is an advisory for tar which is now 25 hours old. |
| 20:24.15 | nextime | somerandomnick: i know, tar and also bind |
| 20:24.55 | nextime | somerandomnick: as for how amprolla works, we can get updates as soon as the debian repo is updated |
| 20:25.00 | nextime | AND amprolla run is finisced |
| 20:25.06 | nextime | finished |
| 20:25.27 | nextime | the actual amprolla implementation is something experimental |
| 20:25.38 | nextime | it's just a huge python script launched by a crontab every 6 hours |
| 20:25.46 | nextime | and it uses up to 6 hours to run |
| 20:26.00 | nextime | and debian repos usually sync every 6 hours too |
| 20:26.20 | nextime | the next version of amprolla i'm working on will work totally differently |
| 20:26.30 | nextime | it will actively monitor debian api |
| 20:26.41 | nextime | and it will merge only changes in repos |
| 20:26.52 | somerandomnick | Earlier mention justified an 18 hour lag, but upon checking it is now rather further behind. |
| 20:26.54 | nextime | so, it will be a LOT faster, minutes instead of hours |
| 20:27.04 | nextime | but this will be ready for the release candidate |
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| 20:27.28 | nextime | somerandomnick: ok let's say now debian release an announce |
| 20:27.36 | nextime | and immediatly put the package on the master repo |
| 20:27.49 | nextime | sadly the update time is just passed |
| 20:27.55 | nextime | so, the next sync is 6 hours from noe |
| 20:27.59 | nextime | now |
| 20:28.16 | nextime | then, when the other repo is in sync, amprolla is just passed, so, other 6 hours |
| 20:28.24 | nextime | or worst |
| 20:28.37 | nextime | it's just passed, but it has to finish the run |
| 20:28.47 | nextime | so,let's say 5 hours to finish run |
| 20:28.51 | nextime | and 6 hours for the next run |
| 20:28.57 | nextime | and 1 hour to pass for the same point |
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| 20:29.31 | nextime | are you getting the complexity of the thing? |
| 20:29.36 | nextime | well, ok, now discard it |
| 20:29.44 | nextime | cause the next version of amprolla will solve that completely |
| 20:29.45 | nextime | :) |
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| 20:29.57 | nextime | BUT, the next version of amprolla isn't ready yet |
| 20:29.59 | nextime | it will be soon |
| 20:30.00 | nextime | . |
| 20:30.12 | nextime | you get it? |
| 20:30.39 | OmegaPhil | Not really. If something takes max 6 hours to sync, then it'll be behind by max 6 hours |
| 20:30.53 | OmegaPhil | some is describing > 18 hour lag |
| 20:31.02 | nextime | OmegaPhil: there are 3 layer of 6 hours sync |
| 20:31.25 | nextime | and if a change occurr DURING that |
| 20:31.40 | nextime | it can make up to 6+6+6 hour + finish last run |
| 20:31.41 | OmegaPhil | Lol, I have no idea what would be more than 1 layer |
| 20:31.57 | nextime | OmegaPhil: 1 layer is debian master repo -> debian public repos |
| 20:32.08 | nextime | 2 layer is amprolla cron |
| 20:32.14 | nextime | 3 layer is aprolla run time |
| 20:32.36 | OmegaPhil | Right, so at worst 12h lag |
| 20:32.44 | nextime | no |
| 20:32.49 | nextime | 6 for debian sync |
| 20:32.53 | somerandomnick | 3 layers each introducing 6 hours of lag explains a total of 18 hours of lag, not >24 hours. |
| 20:32.56 | OmegaPhil | Since cron + the runtime will be 'the same' |
| 20:32.57 | nextime | 6 for amprolla cron |
| 20:33.04 | nextime | it will not |
| 20:33.15 | nextime | as amprolla lock itself to avoid runnig 2 session |
| 20:33.20 | OmegaPhil | Every cron start will be the end of the previous amprolla run |
| 20:33.24 | nextime | and sometime it uses a little more than 6 hours |
| 20:33.30 | OmegaPhil | Oh, right |
| 20:33.30 | nextime | so, one cron is jumped |
| 20:33.36 | OmegaPhil | 6h is not the max then |
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| 20:33.42 | OmegaPhil | That must be some script... |
| 20:34.08 | nextime | anyway, please take care that amprolla1 was written in hurry before the first alpha |
| 20:34.25 | nextime | some additions during those months have slowered down it a lot |
| 20:34.53 | nextime | and it was written in hurry to have devuan working and it's higly experimental |
| 20:35.13 | nextime | now, after those months of amprolla we have collected issues, hints, stats |
| 20:35.20 | OmegaPhil | at least its not perl |
| 20:35.26 | nextime | and now i'm rewriting amprolla2 from cratch |
| 20:35.32 | nextime | scatch |
| 20:35.37 | nextime | to address ALL those issues |
| 20:36.03 | nextime | amprolla1 is a python script launched by a crontab |
| 20:36.16 | nextime | amprolla2 is a modular daemon |
| 20:36.44 | nextime | amprolla1 can only merge repos |
| 20:37.06 | nextime | amprolla2 will sobstitute amprolla1 + autorelease bot + dak and omre |
| 20:37.23 | nextime | amprolla1 run sequentially |
| 20:37.39 | nextime | amprolla2 run event based and multiprocess |
| 20:38.28 | nextime | so, just be patient and let us works toward release |
| 20:38.43 | nextime | and security and other repos issue will be fixed |
| 20:38.55 | nextime | OR, if you are in hurry, help us |
| 20:39.03 | nextime | there are a lot of ways to help us |
| 20:39.26 | nextime | coding, packaging, donating machines, donating money, supporting us on patreon, and so on |
| 20:39.34 | nextime | just choose one way, or be patient :) |
| 20:40.01 | tiaz | > donating machines |
| 20:40.01 | tiaz | go on |
| 20:40.04 | OmegaPhil | prepares to buy majority shares in Devuan |
| 20:40.41 | tiaz | I'd have to double check but I'm pretty sure I have an ibm x3455 not in use |
| 20:42.25 | nextime | in my whish list there is also a manned satellite that orbit around earth at relative speed |
| 20:42.42 | nextime | so, i can expand time and have more time to put on devuan related coding :) |
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| 20:43.53 | tiaz | nextime: what language are you developing amrpolla2 in |
| 20:44.53 | nextime | tiaz: the core is in python (using twisted ), and external modules can be in every languale ( some will be in C/c++, some in go ) |
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| 21:53.42 | voyo | nextime: still here ? I have troubles to install via debootstrap (from debian). it comlains |
| 21:53.49 | voyo | E: Couldn't find these debs: ca-certificates apt-transport-https |
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| 21:54.32 | parazyd | voyo: you should probably use devuan's version of debootstrap |
| 21:54.35 | voyo | thats my cmdline: debootstrap --foreign --arch=armel --no-check-gpg --variant=minbase jessie /devuan/ https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ |
| 21:54.45 | voyo | hm... :-/ |
| 21:55.33 | parazyd | no, i mean, devuan has its own debootstrap package |
| 21:55.57 | voyo | yeah,, I guess its all about /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/jessie file |
| 21:56.05 | voyo | and common name 'jessie' :-/ |
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| 22:01.08 | nextime | voyo: other than to use the devuan debootstrap ( yes, it's better to use it ) |
| 22:01.14 | nextime | you are using the wrong repository |
| 22:01.28 | nextime | https://packages.devuan.org/merged is the right one |
| 22:01.35 | voyo | parazyd: tried with adding 'ceres' script. then tried to install debootstrap from devuan. both cases - same result. |
| 22:01.42 | nextime | in /devuan you get ONLY the few packages forked by us |
| 22:01.45 | nextime | not the whole repo |
| 22:02.00 | voyo | oh ?? |
| 22:02.09 | parazyd | yes that's right |
| 22:02.21 | parazyd | i missed that |
| 22:02.21 | parazyd | https://packages.devuan.org/merged |
| 22:02.30 | voyo | merged.. ok ... let me try |
| 22:03.39 | nextime | i must say that i LOVE amazon |
| 22:03.54 | nextime | and more in deep: i love amazon cloud drive |
| 22:04.12 | voyo | better now. validating packages step :) |
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| 22:04.21 | nextime | it's so amazing to have "infinite" space for 70$/year to make a LOT of backups |
| 22:04.21 | nextime | :D |
| 22:04.41 | voyo | infinite ? |
| 22:04.50 | nextime | voyo: yes, unlimited |
| 22:05.15 | nextime | i'm using 23 terabyte right now |
| 22:05.15 | nextime | :D |
| 22:05.54 | nextime | ( using duplicity for encrypted backups ) |
| 22:06.04 | voyo | interesting... Im just creating NAS for myself, from scrap kirkwood based board, but I couldnt find good could based backup solution , this is tempting... will consider |
| 22:06.23 | nextime | well, i have some nas too locally |
| 22:06.32 | nextime | and then the second stage backup is on cloud |
| 22:06.45 | voyo | NAS is NAS , some data you still need to backup. |
| 22:06.49 | nextime | before to acd i was using hubic for that |
| 22:06.50 | voyo | extacly |
| 22:06.55 | nextime | 10 terabyte for 50/year |
| 22:07.12 | nextime | now amazon cloud drive, unlimited for 70/year |
| 22:07.12 | voyo | also not bad price |
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| 22:08.37 | nextime | ah, acd_cli, the support for amazon cloud drive both in command line and as a fuse fs |
| 22:08.43 | nextime | needed also by duplicity |
| 22:08.49 | nextime | is in devuan ascii and ceres |
| 22:08.51 | nextime | but not in debian |
| 22:08.52 | nextime | :D |
| 22:09.14 | nextime | ( and it will be also in backports in jessie as soon as i solve a couple of missing dependencies ) |
| 22:10.21 | voyo | im getting ceres right now ;) |
| 22:10.37 | nextime | be carefull: ceres is for devuan what sid is for debian |
| 22:10.48 | nextime | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.13 | voyo | thats fine |
| 22:12.21 | somerandomnick | According to the webpage it is $60/year for unlimited home. |
| 22:13.26 | voyo | can you recommend maybe some webui for NAS purposes yet? I was gona to use openmediavault, it needs wheezy for v2.x or jessie for 3.x(systemd) . but Im not sure yet how it will be working with devuan |
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| 22:14.00 | nextime | well, yes, the US is 60/year |
| 22:14.23 | nextime | voyo: no, not really, i'm a terminal oriented guy |
| 22:14.37 | gci_admin | voyo, FreeNAS? :) |
| 22:15.08 | voyo | nextime: me too, but its good to have at least some stats related to NAS activity |
| 22:15.25 | voyo | gci_admin: do they have ARM version? |
| 22:16.44 | gci_admin | voyo, I have never used ARM. No idea. You could check their web site: http://freenas.org/ |
| 22:16.52 | voyo | nope. https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/arm-port-of-freenas-planned.43016/ |
| 22:18.41 | gci_admin | Then not FreeNAS. :) |
| 22:19.01 | voyo | i wonder how my solution will perform... so far I can tell - its consuming 9-12 W |
| 22:19.24 | somerandomnick | nextime: My worry about acd_cli is, what if they change the format of requests? |
| 22:19.44 | gci_admin | voyo, would something like Webmin work for your web GUI? IIRC it has disk related plugins if the tools are installed on the system. |
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| 22:20.58 | voyo | gci_admin: hm.. I never used webmin. maybe I will take a look and consider. I guess it should be even in repo. |
| 22:21.50 | nextime | somerandomnick: i agree, and it's the same for a lot of things out there |
| 22:22.01 | nextime | i will not ever use it as the primary and only one backup |
| 22:22.12 | nextime | but i'm happy it exists for a second stage one |
| 22:22.13 | nextime | :) |
| 22:26.32 | gci_admin | voyo, I installed Webmin to look at it. It appears low level disk stuff would have to be done at the CLI. I see no way to manage ZFS storage with it if you want ZFS. |
| 22:31.57 | voyo | gci_admin: nope, no zfs. my board have 512Mb. I will have only LVM , and (maybe later) softraid |
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| 22:32.39 | voyo | so probably I will configure everything myself, then fire & forget ;) |
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| 22:37.37 | gci_admin | LVM and softraid sound like a plan. :) |
| 22:38.16 | voyo | yup. a cheap one ;) |
| 22:38.38 | voyo | I'd like to have ZFS , but it require much more memory to work correctly |
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| 22:39.35 | nextime | time to go to sleep for me |
| 22:39.52 | nextime | tomorrow long fly will occurr |
| 22:39.54 | voyo | but actually my prime goal is to save energy. as this will be working @home :P |
| 22:39.55 | gci_admin | Well, one can run ZFS on lower memory systems. But yeah, more memory is more gooder for ZFS. :) |
| 22:39.59 | nextime | 'night |
| 22:40.04 | voyo | gn nextime , thanks for support |
| 22:40.06 | gci_admin | Later nextime. |
| 22:41.22 | voyo | gci_admin: and yet kernel version.. I couldnt make it run with 4.x , I left with latest 3.16. not sure yet what has changed after that |
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| 23:24.46 | Drugo | why not to make mate the default DE now that it have been disinfected? After all, gnome 2 was debian's default DE |
| 23:27.01 | MinceR | xfce is better than any version of gnome |
| 23:27.24 | Drugo | their footprint is about the same |
| 23:31.27 | voyo | looks like dependencies are slightly fu**dup , Im installing ceres with debootstrap. its failing greatly on secondstage :/ |
| 23:32.21 | voyo | debootstrap --foreign --arch=armel --no-check-gpg --variant=minbase --include=udev,netbase,net-tools,ifupdown,iproute ceres /devuan/ https://packages.devuan.org/merged |
| 23:38.50 | parazyd | voyo: armel? what board? |
| 23:39.20 | voyo | parazyd: kirkwood |
| 23:39.47 | voyo | just trying to workaround it manually... |
| 23:40.31 | parazyd | hmm let me know if you get it running |
| 23:40.46 | parazyd | we're not yet building our own armel packages |
| 23:41.01 | voyo | parazyd: progressing. mostly helped I think to install (manually) readline-common package |
| 23:41.46 | voyo | some sysinit* needed that |
| 23:45.29 | voyo | nope. thats not eveyrhing. failed again. hm |
| 23:47.00 | voyo | parazyd: it needs update-rc.d: not found |
| 23:47.15 | voyo | which llooks like is inside file-rc package |
| 23:47.28 | parazyd | you're doing --foreign |
| 23:47.41 | voyo | but this one is conflicting with file-rc conflicts with sysv-rc |
| 23:47.44 | parazyd | so you need to chroot and execute /debootstrap/debootstrap --secondstage |
| 23:47.53 | parazyd | oh |
| 23:47.55 | voyo | yep. thats what I did |
| 23:48.05 | parazyd | yep as said, we didn't build our armel pkgs afaik |
| 23:48.18 | parazyd | you could build them from source |
| 23:48.32 | voyo | argh |
| 23:48.33 | parazyd | apt-get source pkgname and build for armel yourself |
| 23:48.43 | parazyd | got a toolchain? |
| 23:48.57 | voyo | no, not here... |
| 23:49.12 | parazyd | you could also do it in the chroot with qemu i think |
| 23:49.19 | parazyd | will use whatever's installed |
| 23:49.44 | voyo | these sysv-rc, is with scripts only I think? maybe enough to get from different arch ? |
| 23:50.02 | parazyd | not sure what's in the package |
| 23:50.07 | parazyd | lemmesee |
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| 23:50.45 | parazyd | seems to pull whole sysvinit source |
| 23:51.43 | voyo | hm.. |
| 23:52.01 | parazyd | got the source package? |
| 23:52.02 | parazyd | i can tar it for you |
| 23:52.24 | parazyd | then you can build it in the chroot with whatever is used to build debian packages |
| 23:52.45 | voyo | ok |
| 23:52.50 | voyo | will try that |
| 23:53.01 | voyo | but tomorrow I think. |
| 23:53.05 | voyo | its getting late |
| 23:53.07 | voyo | here |
| 23:53.16 | parazyd | 1am here :D |
| 23:53.20 | voyo | yep |
| 23:53.22 | voyo | same |
| 23:53.35 | parazyd | sure, ping me tomorrow |
| 23:53.46 | parazyd | i'm very interested |
| 23:54.04 | voyo | which package should be there actually ? sysv-rc or file-rc ? |
| 23:54.16 | parazyd | the former |
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| 23:54.53 | parazyd | i have ysv-rc,sysvinit-core, and sysvinit-utils |
| 23:55.01 | parazyd | no file-rc in sight |
| 23:55.23 | voyo | root@localhost:/# dpkg -l | grep sysv |
| 23:55.23 | voyo | ii sysv-rc 2.88dsf-59.3+devuan2 all System-V-like runlevel change mechanism |
| 23:55.26 | voyo | ii sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.3+devuan2 armel System-V-like init utilities |
| 23:55.29 | voyo | ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59.3+devuan2 armel System-V-like utilities |
| 23:55.51 | voyo | hm, "all" , not "armel" ? |
| 23:56.07 | parazyd | yeah |
| 23:56.07 | parazyd | hmm |
| 23:56.19 | voyo | so probably it affects not only armel, bigger fault ;) |
| 23:56.42 | *** join/#devuan jathan (~jathan@arcmty01.izabc.com) |
| 23:57.50 | parazyd | yeah |
| 23:58.01 | parazyd | dpkg-query does say /usr/sbin/update-rc.d comes from sysv-rc |
| 23:58.21 | voyo | if you are interested to replicate : my environment is debian-jessie@kirkwood, I run "debootstrap --foreign --arch=armel --no-check-gpg --variant=minbase --include=udev,netbase,net-tools,ifupdown,iproute ceres /devuan/ https://packages.devuan.org/merged" |
| 23:58.40 | voyo | deboostrap - package reinstalled from devuan |
| 23:58.44 | parazyd | maybe it's also a ceres issue |
| 23:58.45 | parazyd | shrungs |
| 23:58.55 | parazyd | but ok, get some sleep :)) |
| 23:58.55 | voyo | then chroot to /devuan . and run --secondstage |
| 23:59.53 | voyo | yep. sleep is good idea. I will back tomorrow here , not sure about time ;) |