IRC log for #devuan on 20160909

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02:02.16minnesotagsThat person just admitted in PMs that the reason they came to the channel "was to just see whether theres a chance that devuan lasts longer than 2 years." In other words, trolling. Well, it's already been about two years, and the infrastructure is only getting more refined. So, it's looking like yes.
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02:16.23stevelittminnesotags, what person?
02:17.12stevelittAny package management authorities out there?
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02:25.30golinuxThe troll from yesterday, I think
02:26.17golinuxYou can find several in the botbot logs in the past few days
02:26.41Chanku:|
02:27.09golinuxstevelitt:  ^^^
02:30.43minnesotagsYes. Last night's troll.
02:31.13minnesotagsBut similar to other trolls the last couple of days.
02:36.52Centurion_Danstevelitt: you called?
02:44.11robert-eGuys, I would like to post a few line to report to fsmithfred abt testing on the last image, if that is okay?
02:44.30fsmithredit's ok with me
02:44.32fsmithredhi
02:44.44robert-efsmithfred: I loaded "r8_i386_vdev_usb-hdd.img" to an 8 gig stick after lunch today.
02:44.58robert-efsmithfred: Very much improved.  Tested the vdev rw; did not test the udev stuff.
02:45.09robert-efsmithfred: Mounted the persistance partition, and deleted the S03vdev file.
02:45.14fsmithredcool
02:45.20robert-efsmithfred: configured the display for laptop screen; if ext monitor was connected
02:45.32robert-efsmithfred: it failed to boot, both in non-persistant and persistant mode.
02:45.43robert-efsmithfred: Audacious failed to play the sample sound file, nor any other music file.
02:45.52robert-efsmithfred: Error msg was "alsa error:snd_pcm_open failed.  Permission denied."
02:46.02robert-efsmithfred: I could not find anything in the logs.  If I ran audacious from a root
02:46.10fsmithreddid you install anything before it failed to boot?
02:46.13robert-efsmithfred: terminal, it played without error.  Xsane did not find my usb scanner,
02:46.25robert-efsmithfred: instead found the HP webcam as a scanning device.  Odd?  Installed
02:46.35robert-efsmithfred: simple-scan and the same result.  It shows up correct in lsusb listing.
02:46.46robert-efsmithfred: Even though persistance was used, everything went back to default on
02:46.46fsmithredlook in /dev/bus/usb/ for permissions on devices
02:46.55fsmithredalso lsusb to find which bus they're on
02:47.05robert-efsmithfred: rebooting.  The S03vdev file was back in /etc/rcS.d.
02:47.17robert-efsmithfred: I hope this helps.
02:47.18fsmithredsomething's wrong
02:47.41fsmithredif you booted with persistence, changes should stick.
02:48.07fsmithredrun df -h in persistent mode, and you should see the second partition mounted at /lib/live/mount/persistence/
02:48.28fsmithredand two or three loop mounts
02:48.34robert-eYes, In fact I booted choosing the vdev rw choice.
02:48.35fsmithredtwo for live, one for vdev hwdb
02:48.53fsmithredyou enlarged the second partition?
02:49.19fsmithredI think it's only 60MB to start with.
02:49.46robert-efsmithfred:  no, just used it as it as flashed.  I can try it again if you wish.
02:51.23fsmithredboot without persistence, run gparted, make the second partition bigger
02:51.28fsmithredmaybe 1-2 gb
02:52.02fsmithredif you installed anything that rebuilds the initrd, it may fail to boot. And you might need to edit the boot entry or rename the initrd.
02:52.30robert-eYes, I can do that..but would that help...I did not install anything the last time, so space should not be a problem'
02:53.12fsmithredjust running it will result in some files being placed on the rw part.
02:53.20fsmithredmaybe not full.
02:54.04robert-eYour method of mounting/unmounting partitions is really neat.  best thing I have seen yet.
02:54.07fsmithredI'm getting the same audio error
02:54.25fsmithredthat's from debian-live project's good work
02:54.41fsmithredor do you mean the removables?
02:54.52robert-eLoads better than automounting.
02:55.02fsmithreddidn't get the audio error in earlier builds
02:56.48robert-eI did some looking for the snd_pcm_open file, but could find nothing...wondered if something it needed had a wrong permission, or exec set.
02:57.53robert-eIt worked fine in root.
02:58.03fsmithredyeah, I see the problem
02:58.34fsmithredneed to change /dev/snd/timer to audio group
02:58.46fsmithredchown root:audio /dev/snd/timer
02:58.57fsmithredand chmod 660 /dev/snd/timer
02:59.09fsmithredthat's gotta get worked into vdev somehow
03:00.35robert-eYou know; I kind of enjoyed using it today.  It is an order of magnitude better than the other day's effort.
03:00.48fsmithredlol, yeah.
03:00.56fsmithredwhat does lsusb say for the scanner?
03:01.10robert-eminute...looking again.
03:01.49robert-eBus 003 Device 002: ID 04a9:2220 Canon, Inc. CanoScan LIDE 25
03:01.50fsmithredoh, make sure user is in scanner group
03:02.18robert-eyes, checked that first thing when it did not work.
03:02.19fsmithredok, now: ls -l /dev/bus/usb/003/002
03:04.13robert-eOn another note...It only took about 8 minutes to d/ the img file,,,something must be amiss on your connection to server.
03:04.50fsmithredI got a fast download on that. rrq was having trouble. He's in another hemisphere.
03:05.59robert-eOk..guess I will get out of here and placate the wife by spending some time with her.  Kept my head buried in the computer for most of the day.
03:06.22robert-eLet the other guys get some work done on here.
03:06.23fsmithredok, when you get a chance, I'd like to see the permissions on the scanner
03:06.54robert-eOK
03:07.06fsmithredand thanks for testing and reporting
03:07.20robert-eSure, I had fun.
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03:45.07robert-efsmithred:  checked /dev/bus/usb.003/002 (scanner), and was owner=root rw, group=root none, others=none.  Changed group=root rw, others read only
03:45.50robert-ethen tried the scanner again, and not found..only found the web-cam.
03:47.45robert-eI tried the scanner on the main laptop, and it is found at 003/002 (the same) and it works just fine there.  So something is cockeyed in vdev.
03:50.36furrywolfyou probably need to be able to write to it
03:50.54furrywolffor a test, try a+rw'ing it.
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04:08.28rrqThe info of `lsusb -v | grep -E '(^Bus|bDevice|bInterface)'` is useful I think for improving vdev
04:13.26furrywolfcurls up on Lydia_K for bedtime
04:13.35rrqcan email such to me anytime
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04:19.06neutron_stzcan someone suggest me a faster method than awk '!x[$0]++' for removing duplicate lines from wordlist file
04:19.16neutron_stzwithout 'split'-ing file on smaller parts
04:21.12furrywolfsort -u with possibly some other options
04:21.18furrywolfbbl, wolfy bedtime
04:21.32furrywolfor uniq
04:22.15neutron_stzyeah, thanks ill try with uniq ))
04:22.27furrywolfif you want to sort it too, sort -u is useful.
04:22.41neutron_stzwith awk, machine is swapping too much
04:22.51neutron_stzyes, im sorting first with sort -n
04:22.51furrywolfusually considers awk the last resort, not the first tool to try. :)
04:24.05furrywolf-n on a list of non-numbers?
04:24.41neutron_stzyes, its utf8 encoded file
04:25.18furrywolf-n is for numbers.
04:25.38furrywolfutf8 is not numbers.
04:26.03neutron_stzyes
04:27.08furrywolf˙sᴉɥʇ ǝʞᴉl sƃuᴉɥʇ pᴉdnʇs op oʇ pǝsn ǝq uɐɔ 8Ⅎ┴∩
04:27.16furrywolfbbl, sleep.  :)
04:27.50neutron_stzlol, i didnt know that )) thanks ))
04:28.31neutron_stzi was using utf8 rather than windows1251 or koi8
04:29.09furrywolfsort -n is for sorting _numbers_.  it will not produce a proper sort on any text, utf8 or not.
04:30.19furrywolfbbl
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05:12.39rypervencheneutron_stz: Actually, uniq requires a list to be sorted, so sort -u is your best bet.
05:15.26neutron_stzrypervenche: yeah, i allready done it
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05:52.57robert-errq:  I have the lsusb/vdev capture, if you want it...can you tell me how to get it to you?  Perhaps email or some such?
05:53.34robert-errq:  midnight here now..will check the bot tomorrow morning.
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06:18.33rrqemail is good ralph dot ronnqvist at gmail dot com works fine
06:22.36rrqfsmithred: if possible I'd like to get a lsusb|grep capture for your scanner and whatnot as well
06:37.22neutron_stzin near future will be there a plan to port devuan for arm based devices  ?
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11:56.05fsmithredrrq see email
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12:16.31gnu_srs1fsmithred: FYI: I had to (unfortunately) install avahi to get my scanner working even with udev.
12:16.58fsmithredhuh. I wouldn't have expected that.
12:17.43fsmithreddoes the scanner connect through the network instead of usb?
12:20.04gnu_srs1Ah, I have a network printer/scanner/copier. That might not apply to an USB one.
12:20.45fsmithredthat's another thing I haven't thought about
12:21.05fsmithredno network printer here. Still on lpt.
12:21.37fsmithredpretty sure my printer is older than some of the people I meet online.
12:31.09AntoFoxhi guys, I have installed on my devuan jessie: plymouth wicd mate-desktop and slim, when I boot my laptop everything stops when the service wicd is loaded, and the desktop does not start. Any suggestions on how to fix?
12:31.22AntoFox(if during the boot I press ctrl+F1 and everything proceeds normally)
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15:12.24AntoFoxanything? niente? nada? ничего? لا شيء ؟
15:12.35AntoFoxsad me :(
15:13.27fsmithredAntoFox, what happens if you disable wicd? Will it still hang?
15:14.01Akuliwhats the problem?
15:15.39AntoFoxfsmithred: when disable wicd plymouth run, slim run and I login in my desktop environment
15:17.29AntoFoxAkuli: I made an plymouth theme for devuan but when installing plymouth and slim the desktop does not appear and boot proces block when wicd loading
15:17.46AntoFoxthat all
15:18.25Akulii actually like having no plymouth theme
15:18.47golinuxI have NEVER used plymouth.
15:18.54fsmithredI've never messed with plymouth except to avoid it.
15:19.03golinuxI want to see the log scroll by
15:19.12Akuliright
15:19.23AntoFoxah
15:19.25AntoFoxok
15:19.28fsmithredsame here. now you reminded me why I avoid it.
15:19.30Akulii think thats great, especially for devuan :)
15:20.06AntoFox:)
15:20.56fsmithredyou have boot logging enabled?
15:23.06AntoFoxno, for the moment I have adopted a temporary solution but I don't nowif is correct
15:23.49AntoFoxI have set wicd  on runlevel 2 and 4
15:24.40fsmithredso you boot to runlevel 3 and switch?
15:25.04jonadabHmm.   samba : Depends: samba-common (= 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3) but 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2 is to be installed
15:25.09jonadabHave I done something wrong?
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15:25.42golinuxjonadab: known issue
15:25.53jonadabgolinux: Ok.
15:25.57AntoFoxfsmithred: in this mode I turn on my laptop and run
15:26.07AntoFoxnormally
15:29.12fsmithredAntoFox, I don't understand. You
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15:29.20fsmithredhold still, dude.
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17:18.39minnesotagsjonadab; just dealt with this myself last week. You need to go to debian security, download and install that deb8u3 then apt-get -f install.
17:19.00minnesotagsSearch in the devuan IRC archive from last week.
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17:38.56minnesotagsjonadab; here is the link to download https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/samba-common/download then do dpkg -i with that, After that you can apt-get install -f or apt-get install samba or whatever works.
17:40.05minnesotagsSorry: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/s/samba/samba-common_4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3_all.deb
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18:03.58robert-errq:  Please find two emails with the lsusb output.  The first one without the scanner attached, and the second with it attached.  Thanks.
18:14.32robert-ejaromil:  The dng mailing list has been very slow of late.  Perhaps you are on holidays, and/or out of the country?
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20:56.28jonadabminnesotags: Oh, interesting; I will look into that tonight.  Thanks.
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22:01.49minnesotagsjonadab; I can almost guarantee that will fix it for you. There is a fix coming, but this is down to the way that devuan merges and updates the debian info.
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22:06.56aitori sent a post to the mailing list, hurrah !
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