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02:02.16 | minnesotags | That person just admitted in PMs that the reason they came to the channel "was to just see whether theres a chance that devuan lasts longer than 2 years." In other words, trolling. Well, it's already been about two years, and the infrastructure is only getting more refined. So, it's looking like yes. |
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02:16.23 | stevelitt | minnesotags, what person? |
02:17.12 | stevelitt | Any package management authorities out there? |
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02:25.30 | golinux | The troll from yesterday, I think |
02:26.17 | golinux | You can find several in the botbot logs in the past few days |
02:26.41 | Chanku | :| |
02:27.09 | golinux | stevelitt: ^^^ |
02:30.43 | minnesotags | Yes. Last night's troll. |
02:31.13 | minnesotags | But similar to other trolls the last couple of days. |
02:36.52 | Centurion_Dan | stevelitt: you called? |
02:44.11 | robert-e | Guys, I would like to post a few line to report to fsmithfred abt testing on the last image, if that is okay? |
02:44.30 | fsmithred | it's ok with me |
02:44.32 | fsmithred | hi |
02:44.44 | robert-e | fsmithfred: I loaded "r8_i386_vdev_usb-hdd.img" to an 8 gig stick after lunch today. |
02:44.58 | robert-e | fsmithfred: Very much improved. Tested the vdev rw; did not test the udev stuff. |
02:45.09 | robert-e | fsmithfred: Mounted the persistance partition, and deleted the S03vdev file. |
02:45.14 | fsmithred | cool |
02:45.20 | robert-e | fsmithfred: configured the display for laptop screen; if ext monitor was connected |
02:45.32 | robert-e | fsmithfred: it failed to boot, both in non-persistant and persistant mode. |
02:45.43 | robert-e | fsmithfred: Audacious failed to play the sample sound file, nor any other music file. |
02:45.52 | robert-e | fsmithfred: Error msg was "alsa error:snd_pcm_open failed. Permission denied." |
02:46.02 | robert-e | fsmithfred: I could not find anything in the logs. If I ran audacious from a root |
02:46.10 | fsmithred | did you install anything before it failed to boot? |
02:46.13 | robert-e | fsmithfred: terminal, it played without error. Xsane did not find my usb scanner, |
02:46.25 | robert-e | fsmithfred: instead found the HP webcam as a scanning device. Odd? Installed |
02:46.35 | robert-e | fsmithfred: simple-scan and the same result. It shows up correct in lsusb listing. |
02:46.46 | robert-e | fsmithfred: Even though persistance was used, everything went back to default on |
02:46.46 | fsmithred | look in /dev/bus/usb/ for permissions on devices |
02:46.55 | fsmithred | also lsusb to find which bus they're on |
02:47.05 | robert-e | fsmithfred: rebooting. The S03vdev file was back in /etc/rcS.d. |
02:47.17 | robert-e | fsmithfred: I hope this helps. |
02:47.18 | fsmithred | something's wrong |
02:47.41 | fsmithred | if you booted with persistence, changes should stick. |
02:48.07 | fsmithred | run df -h in persistent mode, and you should see the second partition mounted at /lib/live/mount/persistence/ |
02:48.28 | fsmithred | and two or three loop mounts |
02:48.34 | robert-e | Yes, In fact I booted choosing the vdev rw choice. |
02:48.35 | fsmithred | two for live, one for vdev hwdb |
02:48.53 | fsmithred | you enlarged the second partition? |
02:49.19 | fsmithred | I think it's only 60MB to start with. |
02:49.46 | robert-e | fsmithfred: no, just used it as it as flashed. I can try it again if you wish. |
02:51.23 | fsmithred | boot without persistence, run gparted, make the second partition bigger |
02:51.28 | fsmithred | maybe 1-2 gb |
02:52.02 | fsmithred | if you installed anything that rebuilds the initrd, it may fail to boot. And you might need to edit the boot entry or rename the initrd. |
02:52.30 | robert-e | Yes, I can do that..but would that help...I did not install anything the last time, so space should not be a problem' |
02:53.12 | fsmithred | just running it will result in some files being placed on the rw part. |
02:53.20 | fsmithred | maybe not full. |
02:54.04 | robert-e | Your method of mounting/unmounting partitions is really neat. best thing I have seen yet. |
02:54.07 | fsmithred | I'm getting the same audio error |
02:54.25 | fsmithred | that's from debian-live project's good work |
02:54.41 | fsmithred | or do you mean the removables? |
02:54.52 | robert-e | Loads better than automounting. |
02:55.02 | fsmithred | didn't get the audio error in earlier builds |
02:56.48 | robert-e | I did some looking for the snd_pcm_open file, but could find nothing...wondered if something it needed had a wrong permission, or exec set. |
02:57.53 | robert-e | It worked fine in root. |
02:58.03 | fsmithred | yeah, I see the problem |
02:58.34 | fsmithred | need to change /dev/snd/timer to audio group |
02:58.46 | fsmithred | chown root:audio /dev/snd/timer |
02:58.57 | fsmithred | and chmod 660 /dev/snd/timer |
02:59.09 | fsmithred | that's gotta get worked into vdev somehow |
03:00.35 | robert-e | You know; I kind of enjoyed using it today. It is an order of magnitude better than the other day's effort. |
03:00.48 | fsmithred | lol, yeah. |
03:00.56 | fsmithred | what does lsusb say for the scanner? |
03:01.10 | robert-e | minute...looking again. |
03:01.49 | robert-e | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 04a9:2220 Canon, Inc. CanoScan LIDE 25 |
03:01.50 | fsmithred | oh, make sure user is in scanner group |
03:02.18 | robert-e | yes, checked that first thing when it did not work. |
03:02.19 | fsmithred | ok, now: ls -l /dev/bus/usb/003/002 |
03:04.13 | robert-e | On another note...It only took about 8 minutes to d/ the img file,,,something must be amiss on your connection to server. |
03:04.50 | fsmithred | I got a fast download on that. rrq was having trouble. He's in another hemisphere. |
03:05.59 | robert-e | Ok..guess I will get out of here and placate the wife by spending some time with her. Kept my head buried in the computer for most of the day. |
03:06.22 | robert-e | Let the other guys get some work done on here. |
03:06.23 | fsmithred | ok, when you get a chance, I'd like to see the permissions on the scanner |
03:06.54 | robert-e | OK |
03:07.06 | fsmithred | and thanks for testing and reporting |
03:07.20 | robert-e | Sure, I had fun. |
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03:45.07 | robert-e | fsmithred: checked /dev/bus/usb.003/002 (scanner), and was owner=root rw, group=root none, others=none. Changed group=root rw, others read only |
03:45.50 | robert-e | then tried the scanner again, and not found..only found the web-cam. |
03:47.45 | robert-e | I tried the scanner on the main laptop, and it is found at 003/002 (the same) and it works just fine there. So something is cockeyed in vdev. |
03:50.36 | furrywolf | you probably need to be able to write to it |
03:50.54 | furrywolf | for a test, try a+rw'ing it. |
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04:08.28 | rrq | The info of `lsusb -v | grep -E '(^Bus|bDevice|bInterface)'` is useful I think for improving vdev |
04:13.26 | furrywolf | curls up on Lydia_K for bedtime |
04:13.35 | rrq | can email such to me anytime |
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04:19.06 | neutron_stz | can someone suggest me a faster method than awk '!x[$0]++' for removing duplicate lines from wordlist file |
04:19.16 | neutron_stz | without 'split'-ing file on smaller parts |
04:21.12 | furrywolf | sort -u with possibly some other options |
04:21.18 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime |
04:21.32 | furrywolf | or uniq |
04:22.15 | neutron_stz | yeah, thanks ill try with uniq )) |
04:22.27 | furrywolf | if you want to sort it too, sort -u is useful. |
04:22.41 | neutron_stz | with awk, machine is swapping too much |
04:22.51 | neutron_stz | yes, im sorting first with sort -n |
04:22.51 | furrywolf | usually considers awk the last resort, not the first tool to try. :) |
04:24.05 | furrywolf | -n on a list of non-numbers? |
04:24.41 | neutron_stz | yes, its utf8 encoded file |
04:25.18 | furrywolf | -n is for numbers. |
04:25.38 | furrywolf | utf8 is not numbers. |
04:26.03 | neutron_stz | yes |
04:27.08 | furrywolf | Ësá´É¥Ê ÇÊá´l sÆuá´É¥Ê pá´dnÊs op oÊ pÇsn Çq uÉÉ 8â²â´â© |
04:27.16 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep. :) |
04:27.50 | neutron_stz | lol, i didnt know that )) thanks )) |
04:28.31 | neutron_stz | i was using utf8 rather than windows1251 or koi8 |
04:29.09 | furrywolf | sort -n is for sorting _numbers_. it will not produce a proper sort on any text, utf8 or not. |
04:30.19 | furrywolf | bbl |
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05:12.39 | rypervenche | neutron_stz: Actually, uniq requires a list to be sorted, so sort -u is your best bet. |
05:15.26 | neutron_stz | rypervenche: yeah, i allready done it |
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05:52.57 | robert-e | rrq: I have the lsusb/vdev capture, if you want it...can you tell me how to get it to you? Perhaps email or some such? |
05:53.34 | robert-e | rrq: midnight here now..will check the bot tomorrow morning. |
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06:18.33 | rrq | email is good ralph dot ronnqvist at gmail dot com works fine |
06:22.36 | rrq | fsmithred: if possible I'd like to get a lsusb|grep capture for your scanner and whatnot as well |
06:37.22 | neutron_stz | in near future will be there a plan to port devuan for arm based devices ? |
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11:56.05 | fsmithred | rrq see email |
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12:16.31 | gnu_srs1 | fsmithred: FYI: I had to (unfortunately) install avahi to get my scanner working even with udev. |
12:16.58 | fsmithred | huh. I wouldn't have expected that. |
12:17.43 | fsmithred | does the scanner connect through the network instead of usb? |
12:20.04 | gnu_srs1 | Ah, I have a network printer/scanner/copier. That might not apply to an USB one. |
12:20.45 | fsmithred | that's another thing I haven't thought about |
12:21.05 | fsmithred | no network printer here. Still on lpt. |
12:21.37 | fsmithred | pretty sure my printer is older than some of the people I meet online. |
12:31.09 | AntoFox | hi guys, I have installed on my devuan jessie: plymouth wicd mate-desktop and slim, when I boot my laptop everything stops when the service wicd is loaded, and the desktop does not start. Any suggestions on how to fix? |
12:31.22 | AntoFox | (if during the boot I press ctrl+F1 and everything proceeds normally) |
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15:12.24 | AntoFox | anything? niente? nada? ниÑего? Ùا Ø´ÙØ¡ Ø |
15:12.35 | AntoFox | sad me :( |
15:13.27 | fsmithred | AntoFox, what happens if you disable wicd? Will it still hang? |
15:14.01 | Akuli | whats the problem? |
15:15.39 | AntoFox | fsmithred: when disable wicd plymouth run, slim run and I login in my desktop environment |
15:17.29 | AntoFox | Akuli: I made an plymouth theme for devuan but when installing plymouth and slim the desktop does not appear and boot proces block when wicd loading |
15:17.46 | AntoFox | that all |
15:18.25 | Akuli | i actually like having no plymouth theme |
15:18.47 | golinux | I have NEVER used plymouth. |
15:18.54 | fsmithred | I've never messed with plymouth except to avoid it. |
15:19.03 | golinux | I want to see the log scroll by |
15:19.12 | Akuli | right |
15:19.23 | AntoFox | ah |
15:19.25 | AntoFox | ok |
15:19.28 | fsmithred | same here. now you reminded me why I avoid it. |
15:19.30 | Akuli | i think thats great, especially for devuan :) |
15:20.06 | AntoFox | :) |
15:20.56 | fsmithred | you have boot logging enabled? |
15:23.06 | AntoFox | no, for the moment I have adopted a temporary solution but I don't nowif is correct |
15:23.49 | AntoFox | I have set wicd on runlevel 2 and 4 |
15:24.40 | fsmithred | so you boot to runlevel 3 and switch? |
15:25.04 | jonadab | Hmm. samba : Depends: samba-common (= 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3) but 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2 is to be installed |
15:25.09 | jonadab | Have I done something wrong? |
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15:25.42 | golinux | jonadab: known issue |
15:25.53 | jonadab | golinux: Ok. |
15:25.57 | AntoFox | fsmithred: in this mode I turn on my laptop and run |
15:26.07 | AntoFox | normally |
15:29.12 | fsmithred | AntoFox, I don't understand. You |
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15:29.20 | fsmithred | hold still, dude. |
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15:45.04 | furrywolf | randomly lapwolfies Lydia_K |
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17:18.39 | minnesotags | jonadab; just dealt with this myself last week. You need to go to debian security, download and install that deb8u3 then apt-get -f install. |
17:19.00 | minnesotags | Search in the devuan IRC archive from last week. |
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17:38.56 | minnesotags | jonadab; here is the link to download https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/samba-common/download then do dpkg -i with that, After that you can apt-get install -f or apt-get install samba or whatever works. |
17:40.05 | minnesotags | Sorry: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/s/samba/samba-common_4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3_all.deb |
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18:03.58 | robert-e | rrq: Please find two emails with the lsusb output. The first one without the scanner attached, and the second with it attached. Thanks. |
18:14.32 | robert-e | jaromil: The dng mailing list has been very slow of late. Perhaps you are on holidays, and/or out of the country? |
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20:56.28 | jonadab | minnesotags: Oh, interesting; I will look into that tonight. Thanks. |
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22:01.49 | minnesotags | jonadab; I can almost guarantee that will fix it for you. There is a fix coming, but this is down to the way that devuan merges and updates the debian info. |
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22:06.56 | aitor | i sent a post to the mailing list, hurrah ! |
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