| 12:38.34 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, I have a question about your microdevuan scripts. If I start with an i386 qemu image, can I have the scripts create amd64 iso? |
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| 13:45.17 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: nope |
| 13:45.26 | KatolaZ | I mean |
| 13:46.00 | fsmithred | hi |
| 13:46.06 | KatolaZ | in microdevuan the final image is more or less the exact copy of the qemu image you use as a base |
| 13:46.09 | KatolaZ | hi |
| 13:46.14 | fsmithred | ok, thanks |
| 13:46.39 | fsmithred | I'm reading over the scripts, trying to understand what it does. |
| 13:46.56 | fsmithred | and if there's anything there I want to use. |
| 13:47.17 | KatolaZ | if by qemu image you mean the file you have to put in QEMU_IMG_NAME |
| 13:47.31 | KatolaZ | basically |
| 13:47.40 | KatolaZ | the whole thing was based on qemu images |
| 13:47.56 | KatolaZ | I constructed the distro by ssh-ing into an existing qemu image |
| 13:47.58 | fsmithred | so you're starting with an installed system on a virtual disk? |
| 13:48.06 | fsmithred | or an empty disk? |
| 13:48.06 | KatolaZ | and setting the package list appropriately |
| 13:48.12 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 13:48.22 | KatolaZ | what do you mean? |
| 13:48.43 | fsmithred | I don't understand where the system comes from. |
| 13:48.46 | fsmithred | example: |
| 13:49.06 | fsmithred | with live-build, you start with nothing, and it creates the system that gets put into the iso |
| 13:49.13 | KatolaZ | in microdevuan you needed to have an existing qemu image |
| 13:49.18 | KatolaZ | with a bootable system |
| 13:49.21 | fsmithred | with refractasnapshot, you start with an installed sytsem |
| 13:49.22 | fsmithred | ok |
| 13:49.40 | KatolaZ | ok, you should start from an installed system, in this sense |
| 13:49.50 | fsmithred | I'll have to play with it before I really understand it. |
| 13:49.58 | KatolaZ | only, the installed system is into a qemu image |
| 13:50.20 | KatolaZ | ok, but don't get too much in love with it, since ,most of that stuff has been superseeded by the new sdk |
| 13:50.28 | fsmithred | lol, ok |
| 13:50.35 | KatolaZ | which if much easier to use and customise |
| 13:50.37 | fsmithred | is that similar? |
| 13:50.41 | KatolaZ | mmmhhhh |
| 13:50.44 | KatolaZ | not that much |
| 13:50.45 | KatolaZ | I mean, |
| 13:50.56 | fsmithred | should I spend my time looking at that instead? |
| 13:50.58 | KatolaZ | some stuff from microdevuan has been (and is going to be) merged into sdk |
| 13:51.11 | KatolaZ | I suggest you just wait a couple of weeks |
| 13:51.16 | fsmithred | np |
| 13:51.16 | KatolaZ | for the new SDK to be ready |
| 13:51.22 | KatolaZ | anyway |
| 13:51.35 | KatolaZ | most of the mechanisms for distro configuration used in microdevuan |
| 13:51.40 | KatolaZ | have been merged into sdk |
| 13:51.46 | KatolaZ | and will work more or less similarly |
| 13:51.46 | fsmithred | sounds good. |
| 13:52.03 | KatolaZ | only, in the new SDK you will have the option to work on a chroot or on a qemu image |
| 13:52.23 | fsmithred | ok |
| 13:52.24 | KatolaZ | to select different ways of configuring your system |
| 13:52.36 | KatolaZ | and to do much more with less coding |
| 13:52.45 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 13:53.14 | KatolaZ | anyway, feel free to have a look at microdevuan |
| 13:53.20 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 13:53.23 | KatolaZ | and to ask questions |
| 13:53.26 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 13:53.26 | KatolaZ | n |
| 13:53.31 | KatolaZ | np |
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| 17:10.21 | _stephen | There's no openssl-dev package... where do I find the open ssl dev files? |
| 17:13.04 | _stephen | Oh, there's a libssl-dev package... |
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| 18:05.42 | lkcl | does anyone know where that devuan trinity desktop cd is? |
| 18:11.33 | golinux | lkcl: Probably here http://exegnulinux.net/ |
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| 18:15.37 | lkcl | golinux: found it. and some really good discussions on wilderforums http://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/devuan-jessie.385508/ |
| 18:16.43 | lkcl | comment #4 is reaally interesting. as is #7. i mean wtf???? i knew things were bad, but systemd DEMANDS write-access to the UEFI boot partition and that it be writeable ALL THE TIME?? are they fucking out of their fucking minds? |
| 18:17.28 | lkcl | it's almost as if they're *deliberately* trying to make linux systems be as insecure as windows |
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| 18:50.38 | muep | lkcl: the filesystem being discussed there is not the partition that UEFI normally boots from (normally called EFI System Partition) |
| 18:54.21 | muep | lkcl: efivarsfs a virtual filesystem that is basically a linux API for userspace programs to access EFI variables |
| 18:58.33 | Lydia_K | Yeah but, wasn't some bug bricking some hardware due to the write access to that filesystem at some point? |
| 18:59.24 | muep | there was. I think the kernel API got changed so that it'd ignore deletion requests for variables that make no sense to delete |
| 18:59.26 | golinux | That was a while ago |
| 19:00.27 | golinux | search "linux efi bricks hardware" |
| 19:00.29 | muep | a well implemented UEFI firmware would also do that by itself even if the kernel requests a variable to get deleted, but it turns out that firmware is not always that well written |
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| 19:02.56 | figlfdev | flrn, golinux |
| 19:03.25 | flrn | ? |
| 19:04.24 | figlfdev | here if you have any questions |
| 19:04.42 | figlfdev | i posted to the refracta forum but i think youve figured out the structure of the iso by now |
| 19:05.00 | MinceR | uefi is especially unlikely to be well-written, considering that the spec is baroque |
| 19:05.13 | figlfdev | dont diss baroque like that |
| 19:07.54 | flrn | figlfdev: yes i did so far. looks like i'll have to dive into isolinux then. |
| 19:08.14 | figlfdev | the funny thing is, i didnt dive into isolinux |
| 19:08.30 | figlfdev | i just used the existing config from puppy, and a couple lines from refracta |
| 19:08.50 | figlfdev | i couldve done it the other way around the genisoimage line is at the bottom of the script |
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| 19:12.32 | flrn | figlfdev: what surprised me is that the script only copies the content of /one/ [isolinux].cfg to /mnt/mkrefpup/newiso/isolinux.cfg |
| 19:12.51 | MinceR | ok, then s/baroque/rococo/ |
| 19:13.23 | flrn | so i guess, w/o parameters isolinux boots just what it finds directly in /? |
| 19:17.55 | figlfdev | brb sorry |
| 19:18.37 | figlfdev | i actually dont know |
| 19:18.48 | figlfdev | it might be determined in the initrd |
| 19:19.16 | figlfdev | but fsmithred says its the boot options which makes enough sense |
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| 19:20.42 | lkcl | muep: that's not the main point, the main point is, they (a) "manage" it - so if PID1 is ever compromised you're *really* screwed and (b) systemd DEMANDs that there be continuous write-access. |
| 19:22.39 | figlfdev | ok, i had a friend here. i can dig into the script now (its pretty simple) |
| 19:24.22 | figlfdev | glad youre here lkcl. ive read a lot of your stuff in the logs. |
| 19:24.41 | figlfdev | flrn: its this one line: cat /mnt/mkrefpup/refracta/isolinux/live.cfg | head -25 >> /mnt/mkrefpup/newiso/isolinux.cfg |
| 19:25.40 | figlfdev | the head -25 are the only lines of the live.cfg from refracta needed to load the sfs files from /live ... the rest of the cfg is from puppys isolinux.cfg, which loads the puppy sfs files instead |
| 19:27.17 | flrn | the corresponding line in script I have here (mkrefractahrpup-0.4.fig) doesn't contain the "head" command |
| 19:27.43 | flrn | but i get it now: >> appends lol |
| 19:28.03 | figlfdev | but you can do it the other way around. heres a line from my grub config (the only one with kernel parameters) linux/live/vmlinuz boot=live |
| 19:28.12 | flrn | didn't realize that there is an existing isolinux.cfg in that folder |
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| 19:28.39 | figlfdev | it will help if you get the latest version, mkrefractahrpup is now called mkfigos, latest version is 1.0 (nothing special, previous was 0.9) |
| 19:28.57 | figlfdev | same thread though... on the puppy forum. same url as the previous versions. |
| 19:29.27 | figlfdev | im new to this, so im just doing it a little bit at a time. this is less than a month old? |
| 19:30.42 | figlfdev | ive been hoping to see dimkr here as he made librepup (based on puppy tahr 6.0.2) and mkfigos 1.0 switches from tahr to his librepup |
| 19:31.10 | figlfdev | so now its based on not one but TWO distros made by people on this channel. |
| 19:32.12 | figlfdev | actually ive been waiting years for a librepup, i cant believe he finally did one |
| 19:32.29 | flrn | found it, v1.0: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=916090#916090 |
| 19:33.15 | figlfdev | sorry, wouldve linked if youd asked for the post |
| 19:34.10 | flrn | had bookmarked the thread, don't know why i got v0.4 |
| 19:34.40 | figlfdev | it was the one fsmithred was familiar with-- was probably up to date at the time |
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| 20:01.07 | fsmithred | hi figlfdev |
| 20:01.09 | figlfdev | hey fsmithred |
| 20:01.25 | figlfdev | you know dimkr? he chats here |
| 20:01.27 | fsmithred | did flrn get squared away? |
| 20:01.29 | fsmithred | yes |
| 20:01.33 | figlfdev | yeah we just talked |
| 20:01.56 | figlfdev | so dimkr made librepup from tahr 6.0.2. the latest fig os switches from tahr to dimkrs librepup |
| 20:01.58 | fsmithred | here? |
| 20:02.09 | figlfdev | flrn and i just talked. |
| 20:02.10 | fsmithred | I'm not seeing it |
| 20:02.17 | fsmithred | yeah, that I see |
| 20:02.28 | figlfdev | thats what i meant |
| 20:02.45 | figlfdev | now im telling you about librepup, which dimkr made |
| 20:02.59 | fsmithred | ok, tell |
| 20:03.23 | figlfdev | so it was tahr + refracta beta ... then tahr + refracta rc1 ... now its librepup + refracta rc1 |
| 20:03.44 | fsmithred | can you make it to plug in any two distros? |
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| 20:04.11 | figlfdev | at the moment im not very interested in that. its pretty easy to configure but heres the thing |
| 20:04.48 | figlfdev | so much of it has to be tweaked to do another distro (its still a very experimental script) making it plug into "any two distros" to start with isnt much of a favor. its like 5% of a favor. |
| 20:05.39 | figlfdev | i dont like to add features that arent going to do exactly what is expected. sometimes that means waiting for those conveniences to form organically. |
| 20:05.53 | figlfdev | like when i cant stand doing the manual update anymore. |
| 20:05.59 | fsmithred | I understand |
| 20:06.22 | figlfdev | by the time i add such a convenience, i know more about what is needed to do it anyway. thats the best reason to wait. |
| 20:07.14 | figlfdev | the automatic features wouldnt be nearly as good in distdiff if i hadnt done puppalyzer first |
| 20:07.37 | figlfdev | have you seen distdiff yet? its actually faster if you compile with fig29.py rather than fig31.py |
| 20:07.58 | figlfdev | like 25-35% faster, unless i missed something |
| 20:08.18 | fsmithred | no, just a quick look at what you pm'd me |
| 20:08.37 | figlfdev | it works |
| 20:09.04 | fsmithred | cool, I will use it |
| 20:10.04 | figlfdev | if you change debinstall_md5deep 0 to debinstall_md5deep 1 it will install md5deep for you using apt-get |
| 20:10.06 | fsmithred | was there a question about what figos boots to if you don't do anything at the boot prompt? |
| 20:10.26 | figlfdev | if you type puppy or do nothing it does the same thing-- it boots to librepup |
| 20:10.30 | fsmithred | something I forgot to tell you |
| 20:10.33 | figlfdev | ? |
| 20:11.05 | fsmithred | oh, this is the one I made a few days ago. Do nothing, it starts to boot puppy, then it stalls at U'dating... network-drivers-list |
| 20:11.12 | fsmithred | Updating |
| 20:11.16 | figlfdev | its not stalling, its freaking slow. |
| 20:11.19 | fsmithred | oh |
| 20:11.21 | fsmithred | there's more |
| 20:11.28 | fsmithred | I see that now |
| 20:11.37 | figlfdev | there are two steps that are slow like that-- only in puppy mode, and usually much worse in qemu |
| 20:11.59 | figlfdev | i dont know enough about booting puppy to fix it |
| 20:12.04 | fsmithred | obviously, you need to switch to systemd for the lightening fast boots |
| 20:12.14 | figlfdev | i dont think thats the problem fwiw :) |
| 20:12.37 | figlfdev | and please, use s5d here in #devuan ;) |
| 20:12.40 | fsmithred | lol, doesn't matter when you have the universal solution |
| 20:12.47 | fsmithred | lol |
| 20:13.17 | figlfdev | i thought "do it my way" was the solution, hmm |
| 20:13.32 | figlfdev | the more people do that, the better it works |
| 20:14.43 | figlfdev | "there's more" do tell |
| 20:15.07 | fsmithred | yeah, more. Like a dual-pup desktop |
| 20:15.11 | fsmithred | slow, as you said |
| 20:15.20 | figlfdev | refracta mode isnt slow :) |
| 20:15.24 | figlfdev | its basically the same |
| 20:15.37 | fsmithred | mouse is working in pup now |
| 20:15.47 | figlfdev | thank dimkr for that |
| 20:15.50 | fsmithred | no, it's not |
| 20:15.59 | fsmithred | this is not the newest iso. |
| 20:16.12 | figlfdev | i cant get puppys mouse working in pup in qemu, i think it works fine otherwise |
| 20:16.33 | figlfdev | again, refracta mode works as it should |
| 20:16.47 | fsmithred | lots of testing over the past few years |
| 20:17.04 | figlfdev | the flaws in puppy mode are also present in the source iso (i cant get a mouse in puppy tahr in qemu, i cant even get x in slacko.) |
| 20:17.08 | fsmithred | and not many changes from version to version |
| 20:17.21 | figlfdev | and now you can distdiff them :) |
| 20:17.29 | fsmithred | yeah, thanks |
| 20:17.48 | figlfdev | yw. thanks for the "push" i mightve waited longer (it doesnt always work that way, but it did this time) |
| 20:20.21 | fsmithred | can't remember if I said it in here, but xorg in ascii requires libsystemd0, and I did chmod 000 on libsytemd, and xorg seems to be working ok |
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| 20:22.07 | figlfdev | try xorg-legacy |
| 20:22.58 | figlfdev | or wait for devuan to fix it upstream... heres the thing about libsystemd0 -- yeah, we want to be rid of it. but devuan will fix it in ascii when it matters. |
| 20:23.05 | fsmithred | thought I did - yes, it's there. |
| 20:23.24 | figlfdev | hmm i though xorg-legacy didnt need it. |
| 20:24.12 | figlfdev | if i get some coffee in i can probably boot ascii and find out what the deal is (or was a few months ago) |
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| 20:24.28 | fsmithred | I'm checking |
| 20:25.31 | fsmithred | xserver-xorg-core Depends libsystsemd0 |
| 20:32.58 | figlfdev | let me see if i can boot an older version of ascii |
| 20:35.08 | figlfdev | btw a friend of mine is loading refracta 64bit on his system |
| 20:35.15 | figlfdev | he needs 64bit for chrome :P |
| 20:35.31 | figlfdev | switching to refracta from peppermint |
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| 20:41.15 | figlfdev | fsmithred: what can you tell me about the EDD probe? i turn it off every time i use this laptop (not the one i use most) |
| 20:41.19 | fsmithred | well, I hope he likes it - we don't have any javascript on the website |
| 20:41.36 | figlfdev | otherwise i just sit here. will it timeout or do i have to hard reset? ive never waited for it. |
| 20:41.43 | fsmithred | how? |
| 20:42.05 | fsmithred | sorry, had to re-read |
| 20:42.18 | figlfdev | on refracta, it says Probing EDD (edd=off to disable) now we are sitting here (same in 32/64, same in beta/rc1/beta2) |
| 20:42.18 | fsmithred | what's EDD probe? |
| 20:42.43 | figlfdev | on most machines, it will flash this for a moment then continue booting. this is refracta (doesnt happen in other distros) |
| 20:42.46 | fsmithred | I never nothiced that |
| 20:43.17 | figlfdev | if we meet again i will show you. it shows up on my other machines, its only an issue on this one (so i do what it says and tab to grub to say edd=off) |
| 20:43.39 | fsmithred | Im gonna boot a vm |
| 20:43.41 | figlfdev | i can actually modify the iso to disable it now :) then isohybrid the thing again (THANK YOU for isohybriding it) |
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| 20:44.10 | figlfdev | done waiting, doing a hard reset (its ok, im used to it. obviously not a feature you added.) |
| 20:44.40 | figlfdev | this is prior to initrd i think. i looked up edd, seems innocuous |
| 20:45.28 | figlfdev | move down to refracta (load to ram) tab, add edd=off, hit enter, now it boots |
| 20:45.52 | figlfdev | again, only one machine that requires me to do this |
| 20:48.15 | fsmithred | did you ever try ctrl-c when it's probing? |
| 20:48.49 | figlfdev | i will next time, i wouldnt expect it to care at that stage |
| 20:49.14 | figlfdev | no acpi in amd64 beta2? |
| 20:49.25 | figlfdev | acpi: command not found (i mean the tool, not acpi support.) |
| 20:50.40 | figlfdev | its in i386 rc1. |
| 20:52.29 | fsmithred | acip, acpi-support-base and acpid are installed |
| 20:52.50 | figlfdev | check the 725 beta2 iso |
| 20:53.19 | figlfdev | i can run distdiff on the amd64 and i386 versions and post it actually :) |
| 20:53.19 | fsmithred | oh, woops. booted wrong iso. |
| 20:53.28 | figlfdev | and grep for acpi |
| 20:53.48 | figlfdev | granted that will probably take 5 minutes (on this machine, more. its 5 on a core2) |
| 20:55.14 | figlfdev | hey im in devuan ascii (i think. let me check sources.list) yes-- this is ascii |
| 20:56.36 | fsmithred | yup. The amd64 build is missing acpi. I knew there was a reason to call it beta2 and not rc1 |
| 20:56.44 | fsmithred | probably a couple other reasons, too. |
| 20:56.48 | figlfdev | yeah, xserver-xorg-core depends on libsystemd0 -- i guess its jessie that fixed that after all. |
| 20:57.06 | figlfdev | i will distdiff the isos for you :) |
| 20:57.17 | figlfdev | the 386 and amd64 versions |
| 20:57.28 | fsmithred | ok, thanks. |
| 20:58.50 | fsmithred | I don't get much feedback these days. Don't know if it's because my jessie release is so late, or because everything is working so well. |
| 20:59.13 | figlfdev | probably both :) |
| 20:59.47 | figlfdev | ive relied on devuan (mostly) since march 2015 and gnuinos (for many months) and now refracta every single day |
| 21:00.42 | figlfdev | only time i worried was when the backgrounds package made grub stop working :) and that stuff happens in alpha |
| 21:01.01 | figlfdev | afaik it never affacted gnuinos (let alone refracta) |
| 21:01.26 | fsmithred | I don't know about that one |
| 21:01.45 | Lydia_K | I've been running devuan for about a year now. |
| 21:02.31 | figlfdev | its good stuff. i spent years looking for the best distro, tried over 50, kept moving upstream to debian-- used it for a year before systemd came in through testing. |
| 21:02.47 | figlfdev | devuan is the new debian for sure, you can tell from the spins. |
| 21:03.03 | fsmithred | it's way more stable than some other distros I've used |
| 21:03.55 | figlfdev | i heard systemd-shim was deprecated :) |
| 21:04.12 | figlfdev | i think what they meant to say was "we are now promoting devuan actively" |
| 21:04.29 | figlfdev | lets face it, systemd-shim never lived up to its requirements |
| 21:04.40 | fsmithred | don't know - I never used it |
| 21:04.48 | figlfdev | i did at first, it seemed obvious |
| 21:04.55 | Lydia_K | the spins? |
| 21:05.11 | figlfdev | Lydia_K: refracta, exegnulinux, gnuinos (fig os) |
| 21:05.21 | Lydia_K | Oh, the downstream distros, right. |
| 21:05.33 | figlfdev | yeah debian calls them spins. i dunno what we will call them |
| 21:05.43 | fsmithred | I'm too slow - was gonna tell Lydia_K that devuan is available on vinyl. |
| 21:05.51 | MinceR | satellites? :> |
| 21:05.53 | Lydia_K | I would seriously buy that. |
| 21:06.09 | figlfdev | sister distros (on the telephone...) |
| 21:06.35 | fsmithred | glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that |
| 21:06.47 | figlfdev | (DEVUAN! cause the price is right! watch devuan take flight-- upgrade to it tonight...) |
| 21:07.10 | fsmithred | dude, how much coffee have you had? |
| 21:08.22 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 21:15.26 | fsmithred | acpi is added. will be in next build, and I'm expecting that it won't have any letters after its name (like rc) |
| 21:15.38 | hellekin | fsmithred: devuan on vynil, +1 |
| 21:15.58 | fsmithred | glad you like the idea |
| 21:16.28 | hellekin | how much data can you put on a vynil? |
| 21:16.34 | fsmithred | figlfdev has already written some of the lyrics |
| 21:16.54 | fsmithred | about 20 minutes per side |
| 21:16.59 | hellekin | uff, too much backlog :) |
| 21:17.12 | hellekin | nah, in GB not in minutes |
| 21:17.28 | fsmithred | I don't remember how much a laser disk holds |
| 21:17.34 | hellekin | are you not talking about a bootable system on vynil? |
| 21:18.00 | fsmithred | well, I was making a joke, but I have wondered about digital data in bumps on vinyl |
| 21:18.05 | figlfdev | fsmithred: rca ccd :) |
| 21:18.15 | fsmithred | no clue how much you could get on one record |
| 21:18.20 | figlfdev | the patents expired 15 years ago |
| 21:18.44 | fsmithred | I think it would depend on how small you could make the bumps |
| 21:19.01 | figlfdev | lifts a 2lb cartridge that looks like the grandfather of those funny little cd-rom holders |
| 21:19.38 | figlfdev | it looks like an lp inside, but its not! |
| 21:19.47 | fsmithred | wow |
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| 21:20.06 | figlfdev | we had star wars on it (and flashdance) :) |
| 21:20.22 | fsmithred | rewritable? |
| 21:20.25 | figlfdev | nope |
| 21:21.32 | fsmithred | so my idea has already been patented and expired |
| 21:21.36 | figlfdev | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc |
| 21:21.55 | hellekin | I'm pretty sure we could record Devuan on vynil... Probably not the DVD version, but a liveCD ~ 1GiB would hold... |
| 21:22.15 | MinceR | brings back memories of zx spectrum |
| 21:22.22 | fsmithred | boot from usb turntable? |
| 21:22.24 | figlfdev | it was a video disc that was read with a stylus! |
| 21:26.37 | fsmithred | I need to go. |
| 21:27.21 | figlfdev | me too. i will show you the differences between amd64 and i386 later (without md5sums, just the difference in lists) |
| 21:27.28 | figlfdev | o/ |
| 21:29.25 | golinux | hellekin: Are you dyslexic? What's with vynil? |
| 21:30.04 | figlfdev | hes irish. its the old gaelic spelling |
| 21:30.45 | golinux | I thought he was French! |
| 21:30.52 | figlfdev | so did he. |
| 21:30.58 | golinux | LOL! |
| 21:31.42 | golinux | figlfdev: Just pick up two WD black and an external enclosure at the PO |
| 21:31.48 | golinux | Picked |
| 21:31.55 | figlfdev | cool |
| 21:32.50 | figlfdev | dd if=refracta8_xfce_amd64_beta2-20160725_1707.iso of=/dev/usb-enclosure #you need the actual sdx "folder" |
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| 21:37.46 | Venker | hi people |
| 21:39.26 | Venker | do you have any web in where it's possible to follow the development (milestones, stages...) of Devuan? please |
| 21:43.49 | figlfdev | github, devuan website, irc logs. (irc logs are more manageable than mailing list at this point) |
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| 21:44.05 | figlfdev | there are some special mailing lists that help -- devuan-announce, etc |
| 21:44.11 | figlfdev | or dng-announce (something like that) |
| 21:45.01 | golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/splash/index.en.html |
| 21:45.21 | figlfdev | that |
| 21:46.18 | Venker | Oh yes, I suscribed to devuan-announce but that archive list is empty |
| 21:47.18 | Venker | I did after April 29th, when jessie beta 1.0 was released |
| 21:47.36 | figlfdev | that leads me back to the other suggestions. i follow it as closely as i can, those are what i rely on |
| 21:47.41 | figlfdev | ALSO the rss feed. |
| 21:48.12 | figlfdev | there you go: cant beat that: http://feeds.dyne.org/planet_devuan |
| 21:48.16 | figlfdev | o/ good luck |
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| 21:51.57 | Venker | ok thanks |
| 21:52.29 | hellekin | what, is it vinyl? |
| 21:52.46 | hellekin | I suck at these artificial words |
| 21:53.37 | hellekin | golinux: wouldn't you like to have a RECORD with Devuan on it? |
| 21:55.25 | golinux | hellekin: Yes. fsr got it right |
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| 21:56.04 | golinux | I don't have anything to play vinyl anymore but still have a few albums stached. |
| 21:56.20 | golinux | stashed |
| 22:05.31 | hellekin | anyway a vinyl player would need to be plugged into a computer to boot ;o) |
| 22:09.51 | Lydia_K | vinyl player = turntable |
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| 22:39.54 | KatolaZ | hellekin: don't know aboyt vinyl, but we could almost surely do VHS... |
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