| 00:00.07 | Centurion_Dan | from now on. |
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| 00:24.26 | Centurion_Dan | somerandomnick: I generally would discourage use of "stable" in the sources and think we should deprecate the use of such an alias. Debian recommends not using the alias and fixing systems to the release names as well. |
| 00:25.13 | somerandomnick | Has the advantage of apt-get ends up giving me an alert when there is a distribution update. |
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| 00:29.19 | Centurion_Dan | The issue with using "stable" aliases is that it can cause breakage after a new version release and particularly because there are often ABI changes between releases as well as significant changes in behaviour within packages and config files as new stable versions are generally adopted in new releases. |
| 00:30.50 | somerandomnick | Either I'm lucky, or have exercised the appropriate level of care and have never observed issues. |
| 00:31.29 | somerandomnick | (I'd suspect careful and have made sure *everything* was updated) |
| 01:34.05 | furrywolf | in theory, any abi changes will be properly marked with dependencies and conflicts. |
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| 01:36.03 | furrywolf | then you get crap like php that makes random major changes in minor versions and doesn't tell anyone... |
| 01:36.52 | furrywolf | "why'd all my sites stop working?! oh, php once again changed something." |
| 01:37.10 | somerandomnick | Not to mention has a rather /spectacular/ security history, both PHP itself, the things it depends upon, and as a result of many of those changes. |
| 01:37.44 | somerandomnick | Reason PHP got *completely* purged from my systems a while ago. |
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| 01:55.26 | furrywolf | sadly, php is still the quickest route to an ugly hack for web-related things. |
| 01:56.56 | furrywolf | even though it generally makes me mad every time I use it. |
| 01:58.44 | furrywolf | ah, explanation! I came home from work to find a bunch of stuff in my kitchen knocked over. just checked the news... I missed a 4.8 earthquake. |
| 02:01.35 | furrywolf | hrmm, some stuff knocked off my workbench too |
| 02:03.29 | furrywolf | must have hit here hard... it managed to knock over some pretty heavy not-too-tippy things. |
| 02:04.16 | furrywolf | including some shelving in the storage room. ouch. |
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| 02:10.41 | somerandomnick | 4.8 is certainly on the larger end of everyday earthquakes, but not something /particularly/ huge. |
| 02:12.03 | furrywolf | yep. but it still knocked over a lot more stuff than usual. |
| 02:12.53 | somerandomnick | I can believe that, but certainly not big enough for me to worry about family nearby. |
| 02:13.27 | furrywolf | I didn't know it happened until I checked the news. :P |
| 02:14.52 | somerandomnick | Then there is the experience of hearing reports of a sizeable earthquake nearby and realizing you need should contact family and tell them nothing happened to you. |
| 02:24.06 | furrywolf | heh, I'm close enough to the epicenter to be inside the first ring on the usgs intensity map. |
| 02:25.10 | somerandomnick | That is close enough that you should send e-mail to family and say "Nope, non-issue for me". |
| 02:26.13 | furrywolf | I live in california. |
| 02:26.45 | furrywolf | unless there's reports of cracks opening up in the ground and swallowing skyscrapers, no one pays attention to earthquakes. :) |
| 02:27.33 | somerandomnick | Yes, no one in *California* pays much attention, but news elsewhere may be "holy moley! there was this *large* earthquake in CA!" |
| 02:28.19 | furrywolf | also, I don't have a lot of family left. |
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| 04:08.22 | furrywolf | curls up on Lydia_K for bedtime |
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| 04:58.14 | somerandomnick | wonders whether he has found an ext4 bug, a Python bug or something else. |
| 05:25.19 | DusXMT | somerandomnick: strace should give you a hint if it's in python, perhaps |
| 05:29.51 | somerandomnick | It isn't Python, could possibly be libc, could possibly be ext4, could possibly be somewhere else in the kernel block area. |
| 05:51.37 | somerandomnick | SEEK_DATA and SEEK_HOLE have a rather Bad(tm) implementation in ext3/4 in 3.16. |
| 05:53.27 | somerandomnick | Their returns are pretty whacky in 3.16 (who the heck okayed them in this state?!?!). |
| 06:04.23 | somerandomnick | Night. |
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| 13:37.10 | buZz | sweet! |
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| 13:37.24 | buZz | this is cool ; https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/devuan-demo |
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| 13:43.05 | telst4r | interesting :) |
| 13:46.13 | jaromil | ~nice |
| 13:46.14 | infobot | somebody said nice was prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france, or a program that will run a program with a modified scheduling priority (from -20 to 19, where 19 is the lowest). |
| 13:46.22 | jaromil | kudos to parazyd for that image :^P |
| 13:46.31 | jaromil | lol tilde |
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| 13:58.33 | hellekin | https://twitter.com/hellekin/status/756488280015790082 |
| 13:58.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL >>Startup times are reasonable: interestingly the desktop login times on Devuan Jessie (time from login to when the desktop is ready to use) appear to be faster than for Debian,<< |
| 13:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | read this and weep, Poettering! |
| 13:59.10 | hellekin | and it's a beta :D |
| 14:01.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never bought the BS that a bloated crappy monster that en passant also handles system init was any faster or better than a lean classical system, on an embedded device with somewhat limited resources |
| 14:02.32 | Akuli | probably because devuan uses slim by defaults |
| 14:02.34 | Akuli | default |
| 14:02.41 | Akuli | i believe all of the others use lightdm |
| 14:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible |
| 14:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw you seem to know a tad about this topic. So could you help me out to nuke slim or at least configure it in a way so it does auto-login, possibly even at a particular display resolution? |
| 14:05.56 | hellekin | proposed "Humble Purple" for the Devuan card name |
| 14:06.14 | Akuli | i know nothing about slim |
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| 14:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah nevernind then, at least you know the name of this thing :-) |
| 14:07.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | might already help me to look into right direction |
| 14:07.41 | hellekin | git.do upgraded to Gitlab 8.10.0 |
| 14:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, does it fix the progress bar? |
| 14:09.21 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: see line 71 and 79 https://git.devuan.org/devuan/slim/blob/master/slim.conf |
| 14:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, that piece of over-fancy JS that gets loaded to slow down the page rendering sufficiently so it makes sense to show the rendering progess by a red bar |
| 14:09.34 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: dunno, tell me |
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| 14:12.02 | hellekin | Wow, this EOMA68 project is GREAT for passing borders. Want my laptop?, sure, go ahead. |
| 14:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah I see: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/07/22/plasma-desktopuU2277.png looks great¡ |
| 14:12.47 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: file a bug to Konqueror :) |
| 14:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, why? pretty much all other pages render fine |
| 14:13.32 | hellekin | because Konqueror is the only browser with shitty support for HTML5 |
| 14:14.01 | hellekin | Konqueror is the IE6 of free browsers |
| 14:14.35 | DusXMT | strange, considering it uses the same web engine as Safari |
| 14:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd even not be surprised when the answer was a "WONTFIX: we will not tweak konqueror JS so it acts similarly erratic on buggy JS like other browsers do" |
| 14:15.05 | hellekin | hehe sounds like a funny answer |
| 14:15.24 | muep | I do not think it is accurate to calli khtml or webkit as used in konqueror the same as webkit in safari |
| 14:15.41 | hellekin | DusXMT: if you have access to a Safari browser, I'd be curious to know whether this bug appears. |
| 14:15.56 | DusXMT | hellekin: Sorry, the only mac I have has Gentoo installed on it |
| 14:16.08 | hellekin | heh |
| 14:16.52 | hellekin | gentoo + Aqua? Aqua is the only thing that's valuable in a Mac IMO. That is, if you like clickdromes. |
| 14:17.12 | DusXMT | hellekin: Nah, PPC Gentoo on a PowerBook |
| 14:17.36 | DusXMT | I like obscure hardware :) |
| 14:18.16 | hellekin | powerbook... I was given one at work years ago. Yellow Dog Linux was it? Ran much faster than Mac OS 7.6 |
| 14:18.35 | hellekin | or Linux PPC 68k... Can't remember... |
| 14:18.45 | DusXMT | Yeah, Yellow Dog is specifically optimized for PPC computers |
| 14:18.59 | DusXMT | s/optimized/intended/ |
| 14:19.17 | DusXMT | s/intended/crafted/ |
| 14:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if a wget git.d.o would result in something more bearable |
| 14:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is prolly what archive.org does anyway |
| 14:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | not funny! http://wstaw.org/m/2016/07/22/plasma-desktopvk2277.png |
| 14:29.52 | Akuli | DocScrutinizer05, seems like arch wiki already knows something about slim https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM#Enable_Autologin |
| 14:30.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, I'm not a douchebag: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/07/22/plasma-desktoptZ2277.png |
| 14:30.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Akuli: wow, mille gracie |
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| 14:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that >>http://wstaw.org/m/2016/07/22/plasma-desktoptZ2277.png<< in /etc/slom.conf already looks promising |
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