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| 03:15.24 | furrywolf | k&r might not be the best way to learn c. lol |
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| 03:20.58 | furrywolf | arrays and pointers are not quite interchangable... consider, say, int a[10], *b = malloc(sizeof(int)*10); they're interchangable for most uses... a[4] and b[4] can be used interchangably, for example... but try doing sizeof(a) and sizeof(b) and seeing what they say. |
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| 03:32.40 | JIOJ | Can someone confirm Devuan works from the latest version of the NETINSTALL image published via the website? |
| 03:32.57 | furrywolf | you're the first one to suggest it doesn't, so I assume it does. :) |
| 03:34.07 | JIOJ | i keep trying to install, but every time i do, I get a |
| 03:34.21 | JIOJ | Installation step failed: Select and install software |
| 03:34.42 | JIOJ | i verify i can connect to the internet with another terminal |
| 03:35.15 | furrywolf | does it give any errors before that? did it download and install the base system? |
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| 03:39.54 | furrywolf | ... |
| 03:40.06 | furrywolf | wanders off like JIOJ apparantly did |
| 03:47.49 | furrywolf | curls up on golinux's lap for bedtime |
| 04:00.17 | JIOJ | it is erroring due to apt failing on a network-gnome package |
| 04:00.18 | JIOJ | hmm.. |
| 04:00.43 | JIOJ | it can't install gnome, due to a plugin perhaps |
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| 04:01.32 | JIOJ | i just want to get through the installer.. i'll get an alt windowing engine, xcfe or something |
| 04:03.16 | furrywolf | sounds like the netinst cd is fine, but someone broke gnome. gnome sucks anyway. install without it. :) |
| 04:03.37 | furrywolf | it also sounds like you should file a bug report, as uninstallable packages in stable are bugs. |
| 04:04.07 | furrywolf | especially if they're ones tasksel brings in. |
| 04:05.15 | JIOJ | i tried installing cinnamon |
| 04:05.19 | JIOJ | this time 'unmet dependencies' |
| 04:05.25 | JIOJ | uh.. but no error as to which deps are unmet |
| 04:05.35 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 04:06.03 | furrywolf | I don't tend to select any of the gui-related tasks, so I don't know what they install. you're trying to install stable, not testing, right? |
| 04:06.14 | JIOJ | yeah, default from dvd image |
| 04:06.34 | furrywolf | you're going to need someone more familiar with the installer than me, I'm afraid. |
| 04:06.59 | furrywolf | it's bedtime in most of the US, not sure anyone is still around. |
| 04:07.19 | JIOJ | hmmm ok |
| 04:07.26 | JIOJ | i just thought id give devuan a shot |
| 04:07.30 | JIOJ | i want debian - systemd |
| 04:07.34 | JIOJ | this os looked promising |
| 04:08.08 | furrywolf | are you sure you're installing stable? did it ask during the install? |
| 04:08.51 | furrywolf | if so, you probably need help from Centurion_Dan or hellekin or someone else actually competent, which rules me out... |
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| 04:15.19 | KatolaZ | JIOJ: which install media are you using? |
| 04:16.57 | fsmithred | xfce ftw |
| 04:18.11 | furrywolf | stable really, really shouldn't have uninstallable packages being picked by tasksel... so I suspect it's somehow getting testing, or the repository has seriously glitched somehow. |
| 04:18.57 | fsmithred | I think gnome is a choice in tasksel, but I didn't think it was possible to install gnome in devuan. |
| 04:23.32 | JIOJ | KatolaZ i burned the netinstall to a dvd |
| 04:26.11 | KatolaZ | JIOJ: what is the name of the ISO image you are using? |
| 04:36.55 | furrywolf | it seems to be imtoobusytoanswerthepeopletryingtohelpme.iso... |
| 04:36.59 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime |
| 04:39.53 | KatolaZ | I am allergic to that image, indeed :) |
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| 15:16.46 | hellekin | what's the user/pass for devuan's raspi2 image? See https://talk.devuan.org/t/where-can-i-ask-where-can-i-start-a-topic/213/3?u=hellekin |
| 15:17.32 | furrywolf | someone asked that the other day. I'm tempted to say it was root or toor or something else simple, but I don't remember... |
| 15:20.17 | Lydia_K | I think it's root/toor |
| 15:20.21 | Lydia_K | I've seen people say that as well. |
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| 15:23.52 | furrywolf | curls up on Lydia's feet and yawns |
| 15:24.20 | Lydia_K | :3 |
| 15:24.24 | Lydia_K | pets furrywolf |
| 15:25.30 | furrywolf | mrrf :) |
| 15:25.39 | Lydia_K | Adorable ^.^ |
| 15:26.39 | furrywolf | :) |
| 15:30.25 | flrn | confirms the root/toor hypothesis |
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| 15:34.49 | Lydia_K | Awesome flrn |
| 15:35.16 | hellekin | thanks furrywolf and Lydia_K :) |
| 15:35.27 | hellekin | should be devuan:devuan though, for consistency. |
| 15:35.54 | furrywolf | someone should send me a pi and I'll confirm it too. :P |
| 15:36.56 | furrywolf | one of these days I'll need to upgrade or replace my nslu2, and a rpi will probably be its replacement. |
| 15:40.02 | Lydia_K | :) |
| 15:40.13 | Lydia_K | RPIs are cheap! |
| 15:40.24 | Lydia_K | I need another pi3 and a few zeros |
| 15:41.21 | furrywolf | my nslu2 has been doing its job for years on end... back from when linksys made acceptable hardware. |
| 15:41.55 | furrywolf | and debian made acceptable software. heh. |
| 15:43.20 | furrywolf | but, a 133mhz arm and 32MB ram is a little limited. heh. |
| 15:44.01 | Chanku | shrugs |
| 15:44.13 | Chanku | Limited Environments are kinda fun in a way |
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| 15:45.35 | furrywolf | and that's four times the speed and ram of my first debian box... |
| 15:46.26 | Chanku | Then again my only real, 'limited environment' was/is a TI-83+ |
| 15:47.28 | furrywolf | does it run devuan yet? :) |
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| 15:52.31 | Lydia_K | I used an old 233Mhz Pentium 1 for years and years, and only IBM box that I still have and probably still works. |
| 15:52.38 | Lydia_K | That was an awesome box |
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| 15:53.14 | furrywolf | I gave away most of my older stuff... the only thing that old I kept is my pentium 1 mini-laptop. one of these days I'll fix it! maybe. |
| 15:55.12 | Lydia_K | I still have some of my broken old laptops that I should really get rid of cause they are bricks, but.. sentimental value.. |
| 15:56.54 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/laptop02.jpg it's so tiny it's less wide than an atx case, and you couldn't fit a cd inside of it... http://fw.bushytails.net/cfm31-03.jpg that's what it looks like next to a normal machine. |
| 15:56.59 | furrywolf | it's just too cute to get rid of. |
| 15:58.02 | furrywolf | of course, typing on a keyboard the width of an atx case is great fun! |
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| 15:59.31 | Inocuous | a classic |
| 16:01.47 | furrywolf | it's currently non-functional... I rebuilt the battery but the chinese cells promptly failed, and then the hard drive went too. and I think it was having power problems last time I used it, but that could have been due to the crappy battery. |
| 16:01.49 | Lydia_K | Oh wow, that's awesome :) |
| 16:04.08 | golinux | Calling all scripting wizards to #debianfork |
| 16:05.55 | furrywolf | what variety of scripting? |
| 16:06.21 | FrozenWes | is that Winamp I see running on one of those pictures? |
| 16:06.38 | furrywolf | xmms |
| 16:06.44 | furrywolf | which looks very much like winamp, yes... |
| 16:07.48 | debdog | looks like Audacious to me |
| 16:08.51 | debdog | ahh, get it |
| 16:08.58 | furrywolf | that's the default xmms skin. |
| 16:09.02 | FrozenWes | I had not heard of that before, looks like it hasn't been maintained for a while though |
| 16:09.11 | debdog | it's XMMS |
| 16:09.30 | furrywolf | xmms was made to look like winamp, and loads winamp skins... or at least I've heard it does; I haven't tried. |
| 16:09.51 | furrywolf | I still use xmms... it tends to Just Work, unlike most of the shit that passes for audio players these days. |
| 16:09.55 | GeneralStupid | winamp :D do you plan a 90th Party? |
| 16:10.37 | FrozenWes | I still use it on Windows :P |
| 16:10.46 | furrywolf | it also talks directly to alsa instead of dealing with gstreamer's utter shit existance. |
| 16:10.57 | GeneralStupid | you "use" windows |
| 16:11.18 | GeneralStupid | i like rhythmbox |
| 16:12.49 | Chanku | just uses VLC :| |
| 16:13.19 | furrywolf | on the topic of devuan, can we please purge pulseaudio? |
| 16:13.29 | Chanku | actually uses pulseaudio |
| 16:13.38 | furrywolf | I'm sorry. |
| 16:13.43 | NeonLicht | uses pulseaudio, too. |
| 16:13.52 | Lydia_K | mplayer! <3 |
| 16:14.03 | Chanku | To be fair I only really use it because I'm lazy...and because I do somewhat like Pavucontrol |
| 16:14.08 | furrywolf | mplayer works great, but doesn't really have much in the way of playlist management. :) |
| 16:14.14 | NeonLicht | And ogg123, mpg321, and mplayer, of course. |
| 16:15.12 | NeonLicht | For playing lists, nothing like MPD! |
| 16:17.49 | Lydia_K | Not at all, I'll just write a little bash script instead, or a loop on the command line :) |
| 16:17.52 | Lydia_K | I'm weird. |
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| 16:28.22 | furrywolf | brb |
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| 17:35.02 | Drugo | skype needs pulseaudio and i, unfortunately, need skype |
| 17:36.36 | MinceR | does it work with apulse instead? |
| 17:37.46 | jonadab | Ugh, pulseaudio. |
| 17:37.52 | jonadab | I don't even want to have those memories. |
| 17:38.22 | Drugo | i have not tested |
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| 17:43.18 | fsmithred_ | drugo, there's an alternative |
| 17:43.30 | fsmithred_ | apulse |
| 17:45.09 | Drugo | Ii 'll take a look, thanks |
| 17:46.17 | fsmithred_ | I got ubuntu debs for trusty and utopic, and I used one of them for a friend running jessie, and it works. |
| 17:51.04 | fsmithred_ | https://launchpad.net/~kirillshkrogalev/+archive/ubuntu/apulse |
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| 18:09.44 | Inocuous | are there any cad people here? |
| 18:09.53 | Inocuous | I was looking for a linux cad program. |
| 18:22.57 | furrywolf | I too am looking for linux cad programs. I haven't had much luck. |
| 18:23.05 | furrywolf | short version: they all suck. at least all the ones I've tried. |
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| 18:25.13 | Lydia_K | Looking for linux cad stuff for 3D printing? |
| 18:25.34 | furrywolf | no. I prefer subtractive manufacturing at this time. |
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| 18:26.01 | Lydia_K | You built/bought a CNC machine? |
| 18:26.28 | furrywolf | I have a cnc sherline minimill and a cnc shoptask chinese lathe/mill combo machine. |
| 18:28.57 | Lydia_K | Damn, nice |
| 18:29.38 | furrywolf | eh, they're both small machines, and both well-worn by the time I got them. |
| 18:30.22 | Lydia_K | Still, that's pretty cool. |
| 18:30.45 | Lydia_K | I got a 3D printer recently, still getting the hang of printing stuff. |
| 18:30.49 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/shoptask02.jpg that's the shoptask when I got it... cnc stuff removed (fortunately it came with the sprockets and belts in a box) and pretty rusty. oh, and it got knocked off a table with a forklift. |
| 18:31.46 | gci_admin | One of these? http://sherline.com/sherline-vertical-milling-machines/ |
| 18:32.15 | furrywolf | they de-cnced it because they mangled the end of the x-axis leadscrew pretty badly when it fell. note the bent to the left of the bearing, and the sawzall-created hole to let the bent shaft wobble freely... |
| 18:32.43 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/mill03.jpg |
| 18:33.06 | furrywolf | (photo at my old house... I no longer have a shop or a garage) |
| 18:33.45 | gci_admin | Nice! Bummer @ the no shop. :( |
| 18:34.13 | furrywolf | houses with garages cost more... |
| 18:35.17 | Lydia_K | Garages are nice, I wish I had one. |
| 18:36.14 | gci_admin | I have a carport with two sheds off the side. Thinking about turning one of the sheds into a small shop. |
| 18:37.08 | Lydia_K | Next house I get is going to have a garage and much more yard. |
| 18:37.19 | gci_admin | Need to get power to the shed first though. |
| 18:37.26 | gci_admin | Lydia_K, nice. |
| 18:37.34 | furrywolf | power is easy. |
| 18:39.10 | gci_admin | furrywolf, well, here to install new power one has to have city approval, installation by a bonded electrician, and signoff by city bureaucrats. Even on one's own property. Damn nanny-state crap. :( |
| 18:40.11 | gci_admin | I want to move outside the Anchorage city limits, but that is hard to do and still be within reasonable driving distance of my job. |
| 18:42.16 | furrywolf | gci_admin: the first mistake is telling the city. |
| 18:42.23 | gci_admin | Anchorage city limits are extensive: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Anchorage,+AK/@61.1088411,-149.3731451,9z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x56c8917604b33f41:0x257dba5aa78468e3 |
| 18:42.42 | detha | furrywolf: until you want to sell the house |
| 18:42.58 | gci_admin | furrywolf, what detha said. |
| 18:43.47 | furrywolf | here (soviet republic of california), you need a permit to change a light bulb in some circumstances... surprise surprise, 99% of work is done with no permits. |
| 18:43.48 | detha | lives in a place where 'I want power in $X building?' is 'dig a trench, buy some armoured cable and a DB, connect' |
| 18:44.25 | gci_admin | Or if I wanted to keep the house and rent it out, it would not pass city inspection if it had unapproved power hookups. |
| 18:45.07 | gci_admin | detha, that is pretty much all of Alaska outside of Anchorage. :D |
| 18:45.26 | furrywolf | there's even electricians that'll do things like move your service drop with it still live, because to have it disconnected at the pole you have to talk to the power co, and they like permits... |
| 18:46.00 | detha | gci_admin: so all you need is a WFH job, and a microwave disk |
| 18:46.04 | detha | *dish |
| 18:48.01 | detha | here, all disconnect at pole needs is a long stick with a hook at the end. And a steady hand, just above that switch there are 11kV lines. |
| 18:48.13 | gci_admin | detha, ha! Well, those work from home jobs are not all that common up here even though I work in the largest regional communications company in the state. Our division VP has stated unequivocally that we do not have WFH jobs. |
| 18:49.42 | detha | gci_admin: put an ad in the paper for a new VP, and inject the appropriate hiring forms into HR ;) |
| 18:49.55 | gci_admin | detha, evil! I like it! ;) |
| 18:50.25 | furrywolf | and get a roll of carpet and a backhoe... |
| 18:51.29 | detha | no need, (s)he will come to work one day to a cleared-out desk. 'Sorry, you have been replaced' |
| 18:51.32 | gci_admin | Thing is, I like our VP. He is pretty much "hands off" for my team in the division. We can VO under certain circumstances, just not every day. |
| 18:52.39 | gci_admin | If one's kid is sick and one needs to stay home for a day or three, then VO from home is fine. |
| 18:53.40 | furrywolf | VO? |
| 18:53.45 | detha | That's fair |
| 18:55.02 | furrywolf | bbl, time for work |
| 18:56.41 | gci_admin | VO = Virtual Office |
| 18:57.49 | furrywolf | unfortunately, my job (menial labor) requires me to be there in person... bbl |
| 18:57.55 | gci_admin | See ya. |
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| 19:52.55 | eugo | I am comparing several distros, can anyone tell me what init system devuan uses? |
| 19:54.48 | eugo | and can I add third party debian repos to devuan? |
| 19:55.04 | MinceR | afaik it uses sysvinit (and its rc) by default |
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| 19:57.29 | eugo | about the packages... i'm guessing I can add whatever package and repo as long as any of their dependencies do not conflict with any of the pinned packages by devuan? |
| 19:57.59 | MinceR | as for third party repos, i never dare use those anyway |
| 19:58.18 | Lydia_K | I would say the majority of third party repos will work fine |
| 19:58.32 | Lydia_K | only if the thing has hard dependencies on systemd should you run into issues |
| 19:58.46 | eugo | ah that's what i thought |
| 19:58.49 | Lydia_K | If it's like, a compiler, or an IDE, or media stuff, that should all be fine. |
| 19:58.52 | eugo | does devuan have a public issues tracker? |
| 19:59.21 | Lydia_K | I honestly don't know if one has been put up yet. |
| 20:00.15 | eugo | thanks for the help |
| 20:00.15 | MinceR | i think devuan's gitlab instance does have one |
| 20:00.34 | Lydia_K | True |
| 20:02.04 | eugo | im guessing the debian issue tracker will do? |
| 20:02.25 | eugo | since devuan is basically trying to be debian |
| 20:03.57 | Lydia_K | It's a fork of debian |
| 20:05.46 | fsmithred_ | eugo, devuan uses the debian repos except for packages that have been recompiled to remove the need for systemd |
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| 21:10.02 | nextime | eugo: as already said, yes, you can use debian third party repos in devuan as long as you don't use packages that are dependant from systemd |
| 21:10.49 | nextime | eugo: for issue tracker, for the moment we are just using the issues in gitlab, probably we will adopt a more easy to use issue tracker in future for users |
| 21:11.26 | nextime | as for what fsmithred_ says, we are using also debian repos for all packages we don't have forked (yet?), but take care that all is manages by us server side |
| 21:11.39 | nextime | don't mix debian official repos with devuan official repos. |
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