| 00:08.17 | ksx4system | fsmithred: just scroll it? |
| 00:08.33 | ksx4system | (or click back in your browser) |
| 00:08.33 | fsmithred | that gets me to the bottom of the page |
| 00:09.05 | fsmithred | I'll try that |
| 00:10.18 | fsmithred | nope |
| 00:10.33 | fsmithred | ksx4system, did you see the links I posted in here last night? |
| 00:10.59 | fsmithred | iso and usb image for uefi that need to be tested |
| 00:17.49 | ksx4system | fsmithred: I might have been afk (or simply busy), no :( |
| 00:20.55 | ksx4system | ok, I'm downloading it now |
| 00:20.56 | golinux | fsmithred: The scroll is quite temperamental and sluggish on botbot |
| 00:24.39 | ksx4system | > sluggish |
| 00:24.44 | ksx4system | Firefox? :P |
| 00:25.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | when even FF is sluggish nowadays, then there's sth severely fishy |
| 00:26.54 | golinux | ksx4system: Nothing else is. ;) |
| 00:27.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm already used to konqueror freezing on rendering a 4000 srccode lines with objects on each lexem, for github(?) |
| 00:27.46 | ksx4system | DocScrutinizer51: throw 8GB (or more) ram on a box and run Chromium, that's fast :) |
| 00:28.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | fuckit |
| 00:28.10 | fsmithred | botbot page scrolls fine for me. |
| 00:28.26 | fsmithred | I just can't see everything. Only one page. |
| 00:28.31 | ksx4system | o_O |
| 00:29.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway... |
| 00:29.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ugt |
| 00:29.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | night! |
| 00:30.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? where's the useless bot? |
| 00:30.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | !ugh |
| 00:30.30 | infobot | i guess ugh is peace pipe, white man |
| 00:30.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | !ugt |
| 00:30.35 | infobot | [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 00:31.01 | MinceR | :D |
| 00:31.52 | fsmithred | wow, I didn't know that. Thanks, infobot |
| 00:33.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'll change infobot's attention char to ~ default |
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| 00:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-05-28 Sat 02:44:57] <DocScrutinizer05> chanset #devuan -addressCharacter |
| 00:45.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-05-28 Sat 02:44:58] <infobot> Unsetting addressCharacter for #devuan; was '!'. |
| 00:45.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanset #devuan |
| 00:45.38 | infobot | chan: #devuan (see _default also) |
| 00:45.38 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.03 | MinceR | i read that as 'Unsettling addressCharacter' |
| 00:48.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanset _default addressCharacter |
| 00:48.57 | infobot | addressCharacter for _default is '~' |
| 00:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: you read correctly |
| 00:51.16 | MinceR | :) |
| 00:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | now for something silly (SCNR) |
| 00:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~attack MinceR |
| 00:51.35 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing MinceR |
| 00:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
| 00:52.20 | MinceR | stops infobot with a BFS |
| 00:52.23 | MinceR | n8, DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 02:06.01 | minnesotags | Hi folks, there are so many issues with the devuan cloud.qcow2 that I am going to recommend on the github that it is pulled off files.devuan.org. The entire implementation is tied up with the debian distribution python scripts. |
| 02:06.28 | MinceR | githun? :) |
| 02:06.32 | MinceR | s/n/b/ |
| 02:06.36 | minnesotags | gitlab |
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| 03:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't parse that sentence in an unambiguous way |
| 03:38.46 | minnesotags | Which sentence? Who's sentence? Where the heck is that sentence? |
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| 05:53.54 | Chanku | what even is a sentence? |
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| 07:14.02 | jsfarinet | Good morning! |
| 07:15.19 | jsfarinet | Just a quick question: Is it possible there is no [DNG] digest since yesterday? |
| 08:13.14 | GeneralStupid | nice one: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825394 |
| 08:13.22 | GeneralStupid | devuan needs some more merchandise i guess :D |
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| 10:04.22 | Centurion_Dan | I guess that proves Lennart has never been a system admin... |
| 10:04.35 | Centurion_Dan | GeneralStupid: ^^^ |
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| 10:08.59 | GeneralStupid | of course... But i think its a fundamental problem... you cannot change a critical behaviour in a software product... I still dont understand why everybody uses this crap. |
| 10:09.16 | GeneralStupid | like there is no alternative |
| 10:10.56 | parazyd | it's not lennart who did it |
| 10:10.58 | parazyd | 97e5530cf2076a2b4fc55755917262607aaa6338 |
| 10:11.31 | parazyd | Zbigniew JÄdrzejewski-Szmek <zbyszek@in.waw.pl> |
| 10:11.56 | parazyd | but, lennard did merge it |
| 10:14.59 | parazyd | also, do you have a coffee grinder? i got some great coffee |
| 10:15.02 | parazyd | or i can grind it and bring |
| 10:16.03 | parazyd | holy shit, wrong buf |
| 10:16.05 | parazyd | lol |
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| 11:18.00 | Centurion_Dan | parazyd: nope, but if you grind it an bring it here I expect it will have lost it's best flavour ;-) |
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| 11:19.04 | parazyd | lol |
| 11:20.09 | Centurion_Dan | but I have a local roastery as a client and it so happens I'll be visiting them early next week ;-) |
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| 11:20.51 | Centurion_Dan | so I'm good on the coffee front :-D |
| 11:23.33 | parazyd | Centurion_Dan: http://www.cafe-libertad.de/shop/kaffee/espresso/bio-espresso-rebeldia-durito-500g-ganze-bohne.html |
| 11:23.40 | parazyd | source it if you can, it's worth it :) |
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| 15:21.35 | premoboss | some italian people will go to pisa hackmeeting? |
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| 17:15.53 | figlfdev | o/ fsmithred |
| 17:15.57 | figlfdev | golinux |
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| 17:20.54 | oscar | Guys , is there anyone who can help me to set up the wireless network on devuan ? ps I'm italian |
| 17:21.17 | figlfdev | oscar: is english ok? |
| 17:21.26 | oscar | yes |
| 17:21.29 | oscar | wait tiping |
| 17:23.11 | figlfdev | as far as i know, youre going to use wicd <- <- to setup your wireless connection. |
| 17:23.52 | oscar | I installed debian choosing cable installation ( although the wifi was detected ) , I installed KDE , with the cable works well , no of course not, using ifconfig wlan0 is not detected ( lspci the course notes , is a ath9k ) , I tried also to load the module with modprobe , but does not seem to work , what should I do ? Thanks |
| 17:23.52 | figlfdev | let me know if you can find wicd in the applications menu |
| 17:24.07 | figlfdev | oh, okay. |
| 17:24.27 | figlfdev | let me try something, bRb |
| 17:24.49 | figlfdev | try this command in the term: |
| 17:24.54 | figlfdev | ip link |
| 17:25.25 | oscar | https://arin.ga/MiZSak |
| 17:25.55 | figlfdev | i see. so ifconfig wlan0 still doesnt work? |
| 17:26.16 | oscar | root@oscarDEVUAN:/home/oscar# ip link set wlan0 up |
| 17:26.16 | oscar | RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible due to RF-kill |
| 17:26.19 | oscar | wait |
| 17:26.35 | figlfdev | oh, there are two things you can do about that. one is a hardware switch on your laptop. |
| 17:26.50 | figlfdev | the other is: sudo apt-get install rfkill ; rfkill unblock all |
| 17:27.22 | figlfdev | disregard sudo. just do it as root. |
| 17:28.14 | oscar | thank you, I feel , why is this happening? I have used in the past gentoo , arch , ubuntu etc but I've never had this kind of " obstacles " |
| 17:28.43 | figlfdev | i dont know why your wifi isnt powered up. i dont think it is devuan-related (happy to help if i can though) |
| 17:29.07 | figlfdev | this only happens to me when ive somehow touched the wifi power switch on the laptop. rfkill usually wont reset it then |
| 17:29.27 | figlfdev | rfkill can power if up if rfkill (if software) powered it down |
| 17:29.39 | oscar | thanks , now works , ifconfig reports it , to manage me advice network wpa - supplicant or other? |
| 17:29.41 | figlfdev | but rfkill cant always override the physical switch. |
| 17:30.30 | figlfdev | wicd is the default wifi manager |
| 17:30.59 | figlfdev | its in the menu-- in the term its either wicd-gtk (try that first) or wicd[TAB] (you know the drill if youre using ifconfig) |
| 17:31.13 | oscar | The notebook does not have a physical switch , excluding of course the combination keys : fn + f2 |
| 17:31.54 | oscar | wicd is not installed, strange :/ |
| 17:32.12 | Akuli | wicd-gtk is the command to launch it |
| 17:32.25 | Akuli | or wicd-curses to launch the text-based version if you have that instead |
| 17:33.21 | oscar | yes yes |
| 17:33.22 | oscar | not install anyway |
| 17:33.42 | figlfdev | is a wicd-curses fan for years, but is watching simple-netaid with interest (thats the name now, right?) |
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| 17:34.37 | oscar | thx, now work wifi :) |
| 17:35.11 | figlfdev | \o/ |
| 17:35.16 | figlfdev | glad to hear it |
| 17:35.35 | oscar | thanks :D |
| 17:36.32 | figlfdev | youre very welcome. enjoy devuan, and keep us posted |
| 17:37.32 | oscar | one last thing , on gentoo I used to use a custom kernel compiled by me , since this problem ( rfkill ) , in addition of course to enable the modules to ath9k as I always have , I have to take some care skin surrounding the eye ? |
| 17:37.43 | oscar | Thanks mr. |
| 17:38.23 | oscar | particular* |
| 17:39.52 | fsmithred | hi figlfdev |
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| 17:56.30 | dimkr | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4lebbr/systemd_to_kill_all_user_processes_after_logout/ |
| 17:57.29 | golinux | dimkr: Yeah that was posted to the ML this morning |
| 17:58.08 | dimkr | golinux, weird - haven't received it |
| 17:59.32 | golinux | Not that particular discussion on reddit but the same issue. |
| 17:59.58 | golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160528.085718.84b3f002.en.html |
| 18:15.40 | figlfdev | that is one of the funnier errors. especially with the reason on the mailing list |
| 18:15.49 | figlfdev | clean up after gnomes process mess! :) |
| 18:16.14 | figlfdev | "nothing to complain about" honestly, systemd devs remind me of the chinese government with their attitude about these things |
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| 18:26.45 | fsmithred | and I've got nothing to complain about, because I can type "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" instead of "3" |
| 18:27.34 | golinux | fsmithred: Sarcasm noted |
| 18:28.40 | Chanku | Or you can use a long command to run it and avoid breaking tmux and the like instead of just running tmux! |
| 18:30.37 | Chanku | "No, everything in the process group will be killed. One good about systemd is that it doesn't allow programs to work around it's restrictions like that. It has to be explicit, or it isn't allowed." So the new behavior doesn't respect nohup |
| 18:30.47 | zdzichu | or you can disable it in systemd config file, right? |
| 18:32.04 | Chanku | "BTW Windows has had this sane behaviour for yonks, linux is behind. You log out, all your stuff gets closed. If you want something that stays open on the machine regardless of logging in and out, you explicitly run it as a service rather than a normal user process. Everything clean and well defined." |
| 18:32.10 | Chanku | No you have to disable it through logind |
| 18:32.55 | zdzichu | s/systemd config/logind config/ |
| 18:33.19 | zdzichu | it's all the same mudball to me |
| 18:35.21 | Chanku | "They are wrong. This has been a problem for the last 30 years and only now is being fixed. It's a big win in terms of security and this is how it should have always been. We really should have never been allowing users to run background processes without explicit intent to do so." |
| 18:35.32 | Chanku | sighs |
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| 18:44.13 | edbarx | "dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: package could avoid a useless dependency if debian/simple-netaid-lightweight/usr/bin/sn-lightweight was not linked against libfreetype.so.6". |
| 18:45.09 | edbarx | Any hints? I am not explicitly trying to link against this library |
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| 20:03.27 | flrn | ping |
| 20:03.31 | Akuli | pong |
| 20:03.36 | Akuli | bang |
| 20:03.41 | Akuli | BOOOOOM!!! |
| 20:03.49 | Akuli | :D |
| 20:04.03 | flrn | :) |
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| 20:51.20 | minnesotags | To continue using Devuan, I need help creating a workable qcow2 OpenStack image. I'm kind of at the end of my tether and need to either make something that works or use something that works. If there is any help or advice to be had here, I would appreciate it. |
| 20:53.15 | ksx4system | minnesotags: wasn't a qcow2 available as download? |
| 20:53.49 | ksx4system | yup, just download it from mirror of your choice :) |
| 20:54.12 | minnesotags | It is unworkable. |
| 20:55.15 | ksx4system | could you please define "unworkable"? |
| 20:55.35 | minnesotags | It is a cludge, with so much legacy Debian cruft that it is inferior to (and larger than) the Debian qcow2. |
| 20:55.58 | minnesotags | The logins are messed up, for one thing. |
| 20:57.58 | minnesotags | If you log in as debian/debian, you don't get a working bash console. If you log in as devuan/devuan, the user isn't a member of sudo group. If you log in as Devuan user, you can su to debian user, which does have sudo permission, so that is just the start of what you need to do. |
| 20:58.27 | minnesotags | Then, the ssh key doesn't import to any of those users properly. |
| 20:58.29 | ksx4system | if OpenStack is at least as friendly as OpenVZ is you should be able to install (or debootstrap) system to VM, customize it to your liking and then create image (first link on google was this https://kashyapc.com/2011/09/24/creating-a-qcow2-virtual-machine/) |
| 20:59.04 | ksx4system | bear in mind that Devuan is currently beta and (unfortunately) some things might not be perfectly polished |
| 20:59.35 | ksx4system | most likely the easiest (and fastest) solution will be to create your own image |
| 21:00.24 | minnesotags | Which is what I am asking help on. |
| 21:04.04 | ksx4system | minnesotags: ok :) are you able to create a new VM booting from .iso image? |
| 21:04.57 | ksx4system | https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/Images#Creating_an_image this way probably |
| 21:18.53 | minnesotags | for example, if you create a qemu image and load cloud-init and the other tools, you wind up with references to /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/debian |
| 21:19.19 | minnesotags | This is from a Devuan install. |
| 21:19.43 | minnesotags | Creating a VM is the easy part. |
| 21:19.52 | minnesotags | Creating a cloud image is not. |
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| 22:26.04 | koollman | minnesotags: could you list the prerequisites (let's say two list, high priority things that should be done, and things that would be nice to have) for a good vm image in your opinion ? |
| 22:26.38 | koollman | I've been doing debian images most of the day. I may try to do a devuan image tomorrow :) |
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| 22:56.26 | eam_ | ##programming |
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| 23:39.22 | minnesotags | koollman; just a plain vanilla server with ssh server. From there a person can build their own. I'm trying to do it myself but right now running into a problem with supermin not recognizing the devuan dpkg. |
| 23:41.20 | minnesotags | So the main thing is getting a bugfix against the devuan cloud-init packages. Then the devuan libguestfs-tools package. |
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