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| 00:12.00 | zone_twelve | installed devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso from torrent last night |
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| 00:15.15 | zone_twelve | went pretty smooth, easier in fact than when i installed debian several months ago |
| 00:15.30 | zone_twelve | worked right out of the box |
| 00:16.51 | zone_twelve | i like it! |
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| 00:18.45 | Inocuous | Will I be able to install this Beta on a thumb drive? |
| 00:19.32 | Centurion_Dan | Inocuous: yup just dd the iso to the thumbdrive |
| 00:20.42 | Inocuous | Ok. I got to the install screen and I wasn't sure how much control I would have once I made the selection |
| 00:29.48 | Centurion_Dan | If you select Advanced and then Expert-Install or Expert-GTK-Install you get ultimate control, but the regular install is pretty reasonable and still gives you control over language, partitioning and setting up user accounts etc. |
| 00:29.58 | Centurion_Dan | Inocuous: ^^ |
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| 03:52.08 | Inocuous | I just had to exit out of the beta install. I think I may have run out of memory, but I didn't get an error. |
| 03:52.28 | Inocuous | I don't what the memory requirements are, I had 4 gigs of space to work with. |
| 03:53.19 | Inocuous | downloading the files via the internet as opposed to getting them from the disk was very slow. It was a 3 hour install that ultimately failed. |
| 03:54.33 | DusXMT | It's considered a good practice to install a light system and then install the desktop thingies later; not only does it install faster, but you get more choice over what you install and not (eg. with aptitude) |
| 03:55.06 | DusXMT | 4GB of disk space, or memory? |
| 03:56.02 | Inocuous | I'm not being critical I"m just sharing my experience. I might try it again with a bigger drive. |
| 03:56.15 | argwings | i've done the netinst on two laptops with just the base system utilities (no x), and the install step fails near the end of some configure step (something like 270 out of 275)... simply repeating it makes it finish successfully |
| 03:57.02 | DusXMT | I've had it fail on me as well, during the "Getting additional software" stage, just after it downloaded everything, but again, retrying made it succeed |
| 03:58.23 | DusXMT | Inocuous: And I'm, quite frankly, not blaming you. Do you have at least 512MB of ram? (that used to be the requirement of Debian Hurd, not sure of Devuan GNU+Linux) |
| 03:59.05 | furrywolf | heh, I remember my first debian install fit in 16MB of ram with plenty of room to run stuff.... |
| 03:59.09 | Inocuous | I have 4gigs of ram, I was just trying to use a small drive so I wouldn't risk my C: drive |
| 03:59.42 | DusXMT | Yeah, it's kinda sad how software has blown up in size |
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| 04:00.27 | Inocuous | someone here said they were going to fix the issue with the install going right directly to network install. that will help a lot. |
| 04:00.44 | Inocuous | I'm challenged with slow service. |
| 04:01.00 | furrywolf | ssh, web server, ftp, email, even news... 16mb of ram with plenty spare. :P |
| 04:02.05 | furrywolf | linux ain't like that anymore. :( |
| 04:02.25 | DusXMT | Interesting how much one could achieve with so little back then, kinda makes me wonder how the code looked of those things compared to their today's versions |
| 04:02.34 | argwings | there are a few busybox based distros that can get pretty small |
| 04:06.40 | Inocuous | I'm curious what attracts people to this release? is the the systemd issue or something else? |
| 04:07.52 | DusXMT | Inocuous: Of course, that's Devuan's cause, to bring us a Debian-inspired distro that stands for Init freedom |
| 04:08.39 | DusXMT | We will not allow ourselves to assimilate :) |
| 04:08.45 | Inocuous | I've only recently moved to the linux camp so I'm just getting familiar with the issues around systemd |
| 04:09.50 | DusXMT | Inocuous: Then this website might be interesting: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 04:11.16 | Inocuous | I'll read that. thanks. |
| 04:12.45 | Inocuous | Anyone here on the dev team for this? Curious when the next update might come along. |
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| 04:26.49 | Centurion_Dan | Inocuous: pretty soon... |
| 04:32.54 | Inocuous | excellent. I'm in! thanks Centurion_Dan ! |
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| 11:24.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | torrent question: is the torrent supposed to share/seed the file mirror or would an update of files in mirror (via rsync) break the torrent? |
| 11:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | (my guess: the latter) |
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| 13:25.09 | greseth | ~devuan-installer |
| 13:25.14 | greseth | ~devuan-install |
| 13:28.18 | greseth | Can someone help me installing devuan from debian jessie? |
| 13:28.29 | greseth | On an EC2 instance |
| 13:29.17 | greseth | using devuan repositories and dist-upgrade but i can't remove systemd |
| 13:29.56 | DusXMT | greseth: You'll have to simply delete all packages that depend on it |
| 13:30.19 | DusXMT | I find that the simplest way to achieve that is using aptitude |
| 13:31.23 | greseth | You mean by framebuffer GUI? |
| 13:31.32 | DusXMT | greseth: yup |
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| 13:38.55 | greseth | I can't remove it even from aptitude |
| 13:39.08 | greseth | It tells I have to switch to another init before removing systemd |
| 13:39.20 | greseth | Shoud i try to install sysvinit-core and reboot? |
| 13:39.51 | DusXMT | Most probably |
| 13:40.55 | DusXMT | (I've never upgraded from a system with systemd actually running before, so didn't know that that would be a problem... but it makes sence) |
| 13:41.26 | greseth | hope it's going to work |
| 13:41.40 | greseth | i'm really fed up of having to cope with systemd |
| 13:41.43 | greseth | and upstart |
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| 13:43.05 | greseth | Nope, i'm stuck |
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| 13:59.24 | greseth | has anyone got any other solution? |
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| 14:09.52 | Drugo | greseth, have you read this? https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/devuan-talk-version |
| 14:11.32 | greseth | unfortunately it isn't of help, i'm stuck at the dist-upgrade |
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| 14:16.32 | debdog | somehow the text on the former devuan site has moved/disappeared. IIRC the package devuan-baseconf was involved. |
| 14:17.23 | greseth | IIRC devuan-baseconf had to be dismissed |
| 14:17.31 | debdog | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages/devuan-baseconf |
| 14:17.36 | debdog | hmm |
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| 14:48.30 | Deys | Can anyone who has installed Devuan from the beta release paste their /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 14:50.10 | fsmithred | I can in a minute |
| 14:52.21 | muep_ | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/362986/59926146/raw/ |
| 14:53.59 | fsmithred | looks just like mine except fi instead of us |
| 14:54.32 | muep_ | DNS seems to direct it to some generic international mirror, so might well be the same |
| 14:57.26 | Deys | Thanks muep_ fsmithred |
| 14:57.46 | Deys | jessie-security repo is still not ready i guess? |
| 14:58.59 | Deys | So would using the security.debian.org cause any problem or should i remove it? |
| 14:59.15 | fsmithred | yes, it might cause problems |
| 15:02.51 | fsmithred | if one of the recompiled (nosystemd) packages gets a debian update before devuan recompiles it, you might get a package with a systemd dep. |
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| 15:05.27 | Deys | that's what i was thinking too |
| 15:06.28 | furrywolf | I thought we had/were working on a filter to detect systemd dependencies? |
| 15:07.25 | furrywolf | and we had all the systemd packages pegged at -something just to make sure none got installed... |
| 15:07.30 | fsmithred | systemd-sysv is pinned to -1 |
| 15:07.42 | fsmithred | that's all |
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| 15:17.51 | Deys | thanks you told me that, had to look it up to understand it |
| 15:22.40 | golinux | Deys: The sources or on the homepage of the site. Yes, we now have a security repo: |
| 15:22.45 | golinux | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main |
| 15:22.45 | golinux | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main |
| 15:22.45 | golinux | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main |
| 15:23.23 | golinux | *or >on |
| 15:23.45 | golinux | Nope try this Or > are |
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| 16:30.03 | mhulsman | Hi I added a mirror in Amsterdam the netherlands. we have a 10Gb connection |
| 16:30.37 | mhulsman | mirror is on: |
| 16:30.39 | mhulsman | ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan/ |
| 16:30.44 | mhulsman | http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/devuan/ |
| 16:31.29 | mhulsman | and rsync on: ftp.nluug.nl::devuan |
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| 17:27.27 | armin | whee |
| 17:27.28 | armin | 10ge |
| 17:29.23 | armin | 222298112 bytes transferred in 9 seconds (22.46 MiB/s) |
| 17:29.26 | armin | nice. |
| 17:31.30 | muep_ | isn't that a bit low for a 10 Gbps link? |
| 17:35.22 | armin | muep_: yes, it is. |
| 17:35.36 | armin | muep_: i'm on a much slower link obviously. |
| 17:36.04 | muep_ | ah, ok |
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| 17:51.05 | jaromil | we are probably the only two people in front of the computer in amsterdam today lol |
| 17:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | what is it everybody else is doing? |
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| 18:00.12 | golinux | Yeah really . . . I'm here everyday |
| 18:01.41 | Sweg__ | Good evening, I want to announce one more time about my mirror for Devuan. It is hosted on a 2Gbit line in Gotherburg, Sweden. If you are not able to connect to it, it is because that my firewall blocks known spammers network, ISP and even countries. I am not willing to change that feature thou |
| 18:01.52 | Sweg__ | http://devuan.selea.es |
| 18:01.58 | Sweg__ | .se * |
| 18:02.03 | Sweg__ | not .es ... |
| 18:02.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | !mirrors |
| 18:02.07 | infobot | i guess mirrors is https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://devuan.ksx4system.net/ ftp, http://tux.rainside.sk/devuan/ http://devuan.selea.se/ http & ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan/ http://neo900_devuanfiles.dev-one.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 18:02.26 | Sweg__ | Prefect, |
| 18:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea whn the webpage will update though |
| 18:03.14 | Sweg__ | There was someone that had problems with it, so I did some research and found out that the firewall is blocking entire countries, that my provider don't want thou |
| 18:03.27 | Sweg__ | Alright, |
| 18:03.33 | Sweg__ | Thanks for the information Doc :) |
| 18:03.34 | Sweg__ | Cheers |
| 18:03.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) |
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| 18:06.40 | Sweg__ | And also, the mirror.txt file in the "mirror" is wrong. The url to freenode should be webchat.freenode.net, not irc.freenode.net :) |
| 18:08.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends on protocol |
| 18:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | irc://irc.freenode.net is perfectly correct |
| 18:09.31 | Sweg__ | true, but the HTTP link should also be included, I think |
| 18:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=devuan :-) |
| 18:11.33 | Sweg__ | yes |
| 18:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves, dinner time |
| 18:12.14 | Sweg__ | Cya |
| 18:12.19 | Sweg__ | Dinner for me soon also |
| 18:15.26 | jaromil | i can't open sweg's mirror |
| 18:15.31 | jaromil | the dns is not even resolving it |
| 18:16.07 | jaromil | but nluug makes my day :^) i'm very happy they are mirroring us |
| 18:16.31 | jaromil | DocScrutinizer05: today was an awesome sunny day in amsterdam. every park had a full on party, lots of people outside. spring happened.. |
| 18:17.00 | jaromil | i also wrote very good code, today. loving kore.io |
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| 18:31.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: (Sweg_) yep, same here. Seems his provider is pretty shitty with this "firewall" (URL for my mirror) please try http://neo900-devuanfiles.dev-one.org - I bet it's the underline that makes things fail on ns.dyne.org |
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| 18:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | torrent question: is the torrent supposed to share/seed the file mirror or would an update of files in mirror (via rsync) break the torrent? (my guess: the latter) |
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| 18:51.40 | flrn | My new Devuan based RPi2 LAN router is up, yay :) Documentation: https://cheatsheet.zwischenspeicher.info/2016/05/11-2016-05-05/ - Feedback welcome before I post to DNG or the Wiki! |
| 18:52.55 | mhulsman | @armin where are you located ? |
| 19:00.17 | TwistedFate | flrn, was it worth it to make ur own router? |
| 19:01.47 | muep_ | flrn: what kind of throughput are you getting from it? when I tried using rpi1 as a router, 30-ish Mbps throughput would saturate the CPU and lead to a large amount of packet loss |
| 19:02.27 | muep_ | and rpi2 has a quite substantially better CPU, so it might at least be less bad |
| 19:02.53 | flrn | TwistedFate: it was running openwrt before, what a hassle with fixes... |
| 19:03.25 | FrozenWes | the lan on an rpi is connected through the usb bus so network throughput will be quite limited |
| 19:04.09 | muep_ | I do not think it managed to even saturate the bus before the CPU got kind of overloaded |
| 19:04.47 | FrozenWes | hmm, that's interesting, I'd think the CPU should be fast enough for routing |
| 19:05.20 | muep_ | it would be if the networking hardware was not so CPU intensive to operate, I guess |
| 19:05.22 | FrozenWes | then again, most routers do hardware nat these days, even the cheap ones |
| 19:06.28 | muep_ | I am currently using a cubietruck whose CPU is not really a lot better than the one in rpi1 (dual-core cortex-a7) and it manages to do at least many hundreds of Mbps |
| 19:06.55 | muep_ | but it has a "real" 1 Gbps ethernet interface |
| 19:08.44 | FrozenWes | ya that's what I've read elsewhere too |
| 19:09.07 | FrozenWes | I thought it was just the limited throughput of the USB bus causing that, but I don't know a whole lot about that stuff |
| 19:09.41 | muep_ | normally using all USB bus capacity does not get you 100% CPU utilization |
| 19:14.02 | flrn | muep_: the uplink is limited by the wifi to ~5MB/s, and old hardware here: sshfs transfer on the LAN with up to 3.5MB/s |
| 19:15.15 | muep_ | hm, sure it should be quite ok if you never exceed that |
| 19:16.15 | muep_ | my ISP manages to deliver at least 50-ish Mbps a lot of the time, so I would saturate it and then things would generally work in a quite stuttery fashion |
| 19:19.22 | flrn | muep_: no way to get a wire here without penetrating some thick walls and ceilings... |
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| 20:23.32 | jaromil | DocScrutinizer05: a new release will mean a new torrent |
| 20:24.02 | jaromil | and we will not keep the old released files on files.devuan.org |
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| 20:47.19 | flrn | muep_: will have to take the pi to my neighbors for further testing |
| 20:49.27 | muep_ | being able to connect some random PC to its lan interface would suffice for testing raw throughput it can do |
| 20:51.20 | flrn | muep_: read from the sd card? |
| 20:53.01 | muep_ | perhaps if you can make a sparse file there |
| 20:54.31 | muep_ | also page cache of the kernel may be sufficient if you do not test with too large files |
| 20:58.32 | flrn | wget pulls a 250MB testfile off the sd card with a max. of 11.2 MB/s |
| 21:01.17 | flrn | no gigabit ethernet available, which btw. would be throtteled by the usb |
| 21:01.54 | flrn | ^^^muep_ |
| 21:03.29 | muep_ | seems it can fill the 100 Mbps ethernet at least in one direction |
| 21:05.08 | muep_ | so could be at least quite workable as a router |
| 21:06.10 | flrn | guess it'll do it's job, as the previous openwrt based rpi1 did :) |
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| 21:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: ((will mean a new torrent)) so symlinking the torrent dir to the mirror dir is definitely a nono? |
| 21:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | (right now it's a copy) |
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| 21:16.48 | Inocuous | I made it. |
| 21:16.58 | Inocuous | phew |
| 21:17.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | symlink? |
| 21:17.24 | Inocuous | just got the beta installed |
| 21:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 21:17.33 | Inocuous | It's nice |
| 21:17.58 | Inocuous | hexchat is a little quircky |
| 21:18.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly devuan's fault, I guess |
| 21:18.23 | Inocuous | probably not. |
| 21:18.41 | Inocuous | I think there is a newer version. |
| 21:19.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *really* hope hexchat has no dependency on systemd (yet) ;-D |
| 21:19.38 | furrywolf | have we fixed gimp's dependency on pulseaudio yet? heh |
| 21:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? |
| 21:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | gimp?? |
| 21:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF |
| 21:20.24 | furrywolf | in ascii, gimp depends on gegl depends on sdl depends on libpulse... |
| 21:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | for editing movies? or what? |
| 21:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
| 21:20.37 | furrywolf | nope. for no reason, at all. |
| 21:20.38 | Inocuous | oh yeah, there is gimp. |
| 21:21.04 | Inocuous | feels more like home all the time. |
| 21:21.13 | furrywolf | if a graphics-only program with no sound capability can depend on an audio system, a chat client could well depend on the blob that is systemd... |
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| 21:21.54 | BenoitSvB | hi |
| 21:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: ack |
| 21:22.07 | furrywolf | depending on systemd would let it fill in your real name etc fields automatically, set you away when your screensaver activates,... |
| 21:22.26 | muep_ | if they for video output use a generic wrapper thing or an ui toolkit that also has an audio API... |
| 21:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems dependencies in apt are fubar? |
| 21:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 21:22.41 | BenoitSvB | what is the login for jessie raspberry pi image? |
| 21:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe dependencies in libs are fubar |
| 21:23.13 | Inocuous | before I get too far, where this is a beta, will subsequent releases require a full reinstall? anyone know this? |
| 21:23.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not, i'd guess |
| 21:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also guess nobody is willing to give a guarantee on anything |
| 21:24.24 | Inocuous | haha, yes. probably right. |
| 21:24.43 | Inocuous | well, I'll take the gamble and start adding a few things and see how it goes. |
| 21:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | should be safe enough |
| 21:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case safe your config to a file, do a reinstall and restore the config |
| 21:25.53 | Inocuous | good advise. thanks. |
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| 21:27.27 | BenoitSvB | Does anybody know how to log into jessie_beta on Raspberry Pi (user/password)? |
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| 21:34.06 | Inocuous | why am I suddenly thinking of prince? :) |
| 21:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | BenoitSvB: toor |
| 21:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#devuan raspi login is pw toor https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-03/?msg=65351755&page=3 |
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| 21:48.41 | BenoitSvB | @DocScrutinizer root/toor indeed, thank you |
| 21:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan raspi login is pw toor https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-03/?msg=65351755&page=3 |
| 21:48.41 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 21:53.17 | gci_admin | Inocuous, I avoid thinking of Prince. Thanks for making me think of Prince. :p |
| 21:53.42 | Inocuous | lol.. sorry. |
| 21:56.10 | golinux | gci_admin: Exactly but I'd say no thank you for the reminder. It's so OTT it's past ridiculous |
| 22:00.07 | Inocuous | is there an about screen somewhere with the OS details, not quite sure how to get there. |
| 22:00.24 | gci_admin | What sort of details? |
| 22:00.39 | Inocuous | just the version info |
| 22:01.02 | gci_admin | cat /etc/*eleas* |
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| 23:25.10 | zone_twelve | !mirrors |
| 23:25.10 | infobot | mirrors is probably https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://devuan.ksx4system.net/ ftp, http://tux.rainside.sk/devuan/ http://devuan.selea.se/ http & ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan/ http://neo900-devuanfiles.dev-one.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
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| 23:31.04 | Inocuous | I don't know if any of y'all have had this issue, but I've always had problems with my laptops running hot under Ubuntu, under this beta, I'm running 10c cooler |
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| 23:58.02 | Centurion_Dan | Inocuous: that's great news ;-) |