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| 00:01.32 | oxek | sponix2ipfw: still alive |
| 00:02.01 | oxek | I fixed the moreutils easily by manually installing the dependencies |
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| 00:02.06 | oxek | but this was just an example |
| 00:06.39 | sponix2ipfw | oxek: trying for higher version numbers with Debian will be a full time job |
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| 00:07.47 | sponix2ipfw | I just backport the few I know have features that I need |
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| 00:11.54 | mtnman | firefox is barfing on me and complains of failure to open curl lib from binary and mentions libcurl.so. both libcurl3 and libcurl3-gnutls are both installed , but libcurl.so does not seem to be present on the system. is there a different package that will provide libcurl.so ?? |
| 00:13.36 | sponix | mtnman: umm, everything needed to run regular firefox should already be in the base install -- because ya know, firefox-esr is already there and the deps are the same :P |
| 00:14.00 | dvs | mtnman, buster seems to have libcurl4 |
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| 00:14.14 | sponix | plus firefox-esr is functionally the same. So I would just use that |
| 00:14.25 | mtnman | sponix should is not the case here. |
| 00:14.26 | mutante | mtnman: did you install firefox manually instead of using apt? |
| 00:14.34 | mtnman | used apt |
| 00:15.37 | mutante | mtnman: as dvs already said, on stable it's version 4 |
| 00:15.48 | mutante | i have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 |
| 00:15.58 | mtnman | i'm on an older os version |
| 00:16.41 | mtnman | what is the utility to check the package repository for filenames contained in packages? |
| 00:16.58 | n4dir | probably apt-file |
| 00:17.18 | dvs | mtnman, apt-cache search ? |
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| 00:18.12 | mtnman | dvs i think apt-cache search does not look for filenames contained in the package but i am not 100% on that... |
| 00:18.26 | mutante | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update |
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| 00:18.54 | mtnman | thank you mutante. |
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| 03:26.14 | Haxxa | I have no output from dmesg, any ideas how to diagnose this: |
| 03:26.16 | Haxxa | root@Home-Server-U1:~# dmesg |
| 03:26.18 | Haxxa | root@Home-Server-U1:~# |
| 03:27.40 | longears | I'd look into /var/log/syslog* files. I think there are some files for `dmesg` specifically. |
| 03:27.43 | sney | do you get anything from 'journalctl -b'? |
| 03:28.50 | sney | also what debian version is this, and where is it running (e.g. your laptop, a vps, etc) |
| 03:28.52 | Haxxa | root@Home-Server-U1:/var/log# cat dmesg |
| 03:28.54 | Haxxa | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.02 | Haxxa | Debian 10 on bare metal server |
| 03:29.43 | sney | ok. standard kernel? |
| 03:29.59 | longears | What's the uptime of that server? |
| 03:30.12 | Haxxa | bugger all: 13:30:04 up 19:47, 1 user, load average: 1.07, 0.92, 1.00 |
| 03:30.38 | Haxxa | journalctl works as expected |
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| 03:32.29 | sney | is there anything nonstandard about your install? e.g. is anything on a tmpfs that would normally be on disk, does /var mount late, etc |
| 03:33.12 | Haxxa | sney, /var/lib/vz is mounted to a different disk |
| 03:33.38 | sney | anything else? |
| 03:34.59 | Haxxa | I am running a modified kernel (pve kernel): https://git.proxmox.com/?p=pve-kernel.git;a=summary |
| 03:36.43 | sney | ok. dmesg is kernel business, and since you're not using the debian kernel, you should take this to ##proxmox |
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| 03:38.19 | Haxxa | If I boot standard debian kernel can I continue discussion if issue persists? |
| 03:38.58 | sney | yes |
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| 03:58.00 | uniqdom | Hello, last year I built a custom image for a ATH79 device. Now I want to build for an ATH25, but I can't find that in Target System in 'make menuconfig'. |
| 03:58.28 | uniqdom | was it dropped? |
| 03:58.41 | somiaj | this sounds more like a kernel question. |
| 04:00.12 | uniqdom | I see that that there were releases for ath25 in https://archive.openwrt.org/releases/19.07.2/targets/ath25/ |
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| 04:01.30 | uniqdom | Sat Feb 29 02:06:08 2020 |
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| 04:02.29 | uniqdom | I see the folder openwrt/openwrt/target/linux/ath25 |
| 04:02.35 | uniqdom | cd .. |
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| 04:04.33 | somiaj | You may want to find a more appropriate channel for this question (don't see how it is related to debian). I personally am unsure about such kernels. |
| 04:05.34 | uniqdom | oh... I'm really sorry, i though that I went to #openwrt. My bad :/ |
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| 09:20.51 | jil | hello |
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| 09:24.05 | jil | When installling a new DEbian 10 on a VPS, what ports are open by default ? |
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| 09:28.23 | GNU\colossus | it's impossible to answer that, because the result depends on what you/the image creator instructs the installer (if it's even used) to do |
| 09:28.50 | GNU\colossus | d-i offers to set up a web server, print server, ssh server, ... during regular debian installations |
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| 09:29.21 | GNU\colossus | iirc, nothing is pre-selected. but I would expect a headless server install to come with ssh enabled. |
| 09:29.38 | GNU\colossus | (if you're asking for default packet filtering policies - there are none by default) |
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| 09:30.39 | jil | Thank you GNU\colossus I was thinking of a ssh server, or better, once installed how I could check the open ports. |
| 09:30.55 | jil | iptables ? |
| 09:31.44 | GNU\colossus | `ss -nlp` on the host; `nmap <yourhost>` from a remote host |
| 09:32.00 | GNU\colossus | as I said, there is no default packet filtering policy defined |
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| 09:36.55 | jil | ok |
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| 09:56.51 | GGuest91 | hey debian is great |
| 09:56.53 | GGuest91 | i am wondering |
| 09:57.00 | GGuest91 | how do i delete the root folder? |
| 09:57.20 | GGuest91 | my game uses E:\ and does not find / so i am wondering should i delete it? |
| 09:57.26 | GGuest91 | maybe that will refresh the browser? |
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| 10:45.25 | otisolsen70 | I just read on https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Replacing_a_failed_drive the following: "If possible, do not mount the partitions on the raid (or do it read-only) while the rebuild takes place, to avoid undue stress on the array". I thought it was totally safe to do mdadm operations while the disks are mounted rw. Am I wrong in this? Or is this advice on kernel.org just in order to make rebuild happen faster? |
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| 10:49.03 | frostschutz | otisolsen70, it's supposed to be safe, yes. but of course, it will affect the rebuild speed. read-only is for data recovery situation. a regular rebuild is not a data recovery situation (yet). it's normal for servers to keep running while background raid rebuild goes on |
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| 10:55.45 | hansh | the debian10 installer installs sudo, but doesn't add the default user to sudoers? |
| 10:55.52 | hansh | is that a bug or intended behaviour? |
| 10:59.21 | RoyK | iirc it doesn't install sudo at ll |
| 10:59.30 | RoyK | *all* |
| 10:59.34 | jmcnaught | hansh: in my experience sudo is only installed (and user is only added to sudo group) if no root password is set during installation. I always have to install sudo after if I want it. |
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| 11:00.43 | hansh | i just installed a debian10.5 VM using debian-10.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso , the password IS set (the password is literally "open", but it's still a password), and sudo was installed, but the default user wasn't added |
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| 11:01.35 | RoyK | strange - I installed a VM from the same iso just two days ago and it didn't come with sudo |
| 11:02.13 | hansh | did you unselect "debian desktop environment" ? |
| 11:02.30 | RoyK | yes, it's a server |
| 11:02.36 | Mathisen | anyway it is default to not add user in sudoers file |
| 11:02.49 | hansh | guess "debian desktop environment" is responsible for adding sudo then |
| 11:03.15 | RoyK | I just roll that out with ansible later |
| 11:04.31 | RoyK | allowing root login with an ssh key that ansible uses for first time setup. the install is a baseline debian install cloned up to new VMs. the rest is done in ansible |
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| 11:06.49 | hansh | a brand new debian system, i want wine5 stable on it, i followed the directions here https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian , sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386; wget -nc https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key -O- | sudo apt-key add - ; added deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main to sources.list; sudo apt update; sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable; |
| 11:07.11 | otisolsen70 | frostschutz, phew. Thanks for clearing that up :-) |
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| 11:07.27 | hansh | on the final step, sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable; it says: The following packages have unmet dependencies: winehq-stable : Depends: wine-stable (= 5.0.1~buster) |
| 11:07.34 | RoyK | ,v wine |
| 11:07.35 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; bullseye: 5.0-4; sid: 5.0-4 |
| 11:07.39 | otisolsen70 | frostschutz, suddenly I got worried that the rebuild I did yesterday might had corrupted something... |
| 11:15.25 | jmcnaught | hansh: what does "apt policy wine-stable" say? (https://paste.debian.net/) |
| 11:16.45 | hansh | on an unrelated note, seems the default pastebinit configuration is broken on debian10 https://paste.debian.net/plain/1159626 |
| 11:17.12 | hansh | http://paste.debian.net/1159627/ |
| 11:17.17 | hansh | jmcnaught, ^ |
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| 11:20.09 | jmcnaught | hansh: seems like the package it's complaining about is available, maybe if you made a paste of the command that gives you the error and complete output would help. |
| 11:21.16 | hansh | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1159629 |
| 11:21.29 | frostschutz | otisolsen70, the raid kernel wiki is not written by md(adm) devs, consider it third party and take with grain of salt |
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| 11:30.09 | RoyK | otisolsen70: erm - that about not using a raid while resyncing is utter bullshit. It's made for it. |
| 11:30.38 | otisolsen70 | RoyK, thats what I thought. But just got a little worried reading this on a kernel.org site.... |
| 11:30.52 | otisolsen70 | frostschutz, got it |
| 11:31.50 | RoyK | otisolsen70: I've used md for two decades and I haven't had an issue with using a degraded raid yet, during resync or not |
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| 11:33.01 | otisolsen70 | RoyK, perfect. Thanks for info. |
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| 11:33.25 | RoyK | reminds me of a former colleague that insisted on using a ESD strap whenever replacing a hotplug disk, because Dell said so |
| 11:33.54 | hansh | otisolsen70, but https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices is written at least partially by btrfs devs (like Chris Mason, the principal Btrfs author) |
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| 11:38.28 | hansh | (also there's an active btrfs community over at #btrfs ) |
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| 11:39.19 | RoyK | hansh: wasn't the question about md? |
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| 11:42.18 | hansh | RoyK, i guess it was (honestly i joined too late to tell: https://i.imgur.com/TMwDI1y.png ), but if he's just looking for a raid solution with documentation written by the devs, btrfs might interest him |
| 11:42.49 | RoyK | hansh: is btrfs stable yet? :) |
| 11:43.24 | hansh | hehe, no. raid5/6 is dodgy, raid0/1/10 is stable, deduplication is stable, compression is stable |
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| 11:44.24 | RoyK | hansh: heh - I started looking into btrfs some 10 years ago, looking for something like zfs for linux - I'm still waiting⦠|
| 11:46.47 | hansh | (on that note, i have high hopes for bcacheFS, which is intended to have comparable features to ZFS, too early to tell though) |
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| 11:52.31 | RoyK | hansh: looks like it's OOB dedup, which is a relief after having tried IB dedup with zfs ;) |
| 11:52.58 | hansh | what, did zfs eat all your ram? |
| 11:53.16 | RoyK | the whole datacentre worth of ram, so to say |
| 11:53.26 | hansh | hahah ok |
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| 11:55.01 | RoyK | I spoke to this guy on #zfs or something (perhaps #openindiana back then) that told me he had it working well for vm image storage, some 20TB pool and don't remember, but 256 or 512GB of RAM, which was a wee bit crazier ten years ago than it is today |
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| 14:02.16 | Repox | Hello. Can someone please help me understand and fix the issue here? I can't start redis-server as a service. The error message is here: https://hastebin.com/imeqafizoc.log - the service configuration file is here: https://hastebin.com/ilepuhilug.ini |
| 14:02.30 | Repox | I'm on Debian 10, upgraded from 9. |
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| 14:10.55 | nkuttler | Repox: please use paste.debian.net |
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| 14:12.50 | Repox | Alrigt. Servicefile is here: http://paste.debian.net/1159637/ - output is here: http://paste.debian.net/1159638/ |
| 14:15.32 | nkuttler | Repox: did you install the maintainer version of the config file during the upgrade? |
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| 14:15.56 | Repox | Well, I did nothing else than just "apt-get install redis-server" |
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| 14:17.47 | nkuttler | NO_NEW_PRIVILEGES seems to be a systemd configuration |
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| 14:33.22 | Repox | @nkuttler What's the solution to avoid this error? I've googled like an insane, and I found no solution. |
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| 14:41.56 | generic | running debian on a very old machine 1gig of ram looking for a browser .. any ideas ? |
| 14:42.13 | NetTerminalGene | generic: netsurf |
| 14:42.23 | NetTerminalGene | lynx |
| 14:42.31 | generic | tried falkon |
| 14:42.44 | generic | but it needs opengl texturing :( |
| 14:42.52 | ndegruchy | Emacs EWW |
| 14:43.08 | tomreyn | you could use browsh to have the conetent rendered elsewhere |
| 14:43.17 | generic | even midori didnt work |
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| 14:43.36 | ndegruchy | Firefox isnât bad with one or two tabs |
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| 14:44.18 | generic | firefox ist too memory hungry ... |
| 14:44.25 | diogenes_ | generic, palemoon. |
| 14:44.53 | tomreyn | or add more ram, or replace hardware |
| 14:45.39 | generic | netsurf no longer in buster ? |
| 14:46.10 | generic | tomreyn just to browse the net ? no way |
| 14:46.25 | generic | rather go lynx |
| 14:46.56 | David77 | hello. i would like to advance from jessie to stretch an old pc but the script on https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#i386-is-now-almost-i686 exit 'NOT OK: Missing one or more of the required CPU extensions' :-( if i upgrade to stretch, it works? thanks |
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| 15:03.28 | EdePopede | !botlist |
| 15:03.39 | EdePopede | ,v pysimplegui |
| 15:03.40 | judd | No package named 'pysimplegui' was found in amd64. |
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| 15:17.03 | Quick_Wango | A system of mine dropped into grub rescue on reboot |
| 15:17.21 | Quick_Wango | cannot find symbol grub_calloc |
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| 15:18.21 | Quick_Wango | what is the best way to get into a debian rescue environment to reinstall grub ? |
| 15:19.10 | annadane | what packages in debian have zsh extensions? |
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| 15:24.53 | David77 | annadane: zsh Shell Script? if yes https://packages.debian.org/stable/zsh |
| 15:25.24 | annadane | extensions |
| 15:25.38 | annadane | i'm sure i can look up the notable ones on github or something though |
| 15:25.52 | annadane | just wondered if it was like emacs which has a bunch of elpa- stuff |
| 15:27.18 | David77 | Quick_Wango: it's a bug? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=966575 |
| 15:27.19 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/966575 in grub-pc (open): «grub-pc: error: symbol `grub_calloc' not found.»; severity: grave; opened: 2020-07-30; last modified: 2020-08-05. |
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| 15:28.04 | Quick_Wango | David77: another identical system was not affected so I assumed the boot loader config was corrupted somehow |
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| 15:31.38 | David77 | annadane: like this? https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh |
| 15:32.01 | annadane | for instance, yes |
| 15:32.08 | annadane | but just in general |
| 15:32.28 | annadane | i know i can probably compile stuff off github, just wondered if some packages were in debian already |
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| 15:40.24 | David77 | annedane i think is a script for zsh Shell Script: .z + sh(shell) = .zsh |
| 15:40.40 | annadane | yes, i know |
| 15:40.43 | annadane | never mind |
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| 15:42.16 | hansh | in debian 10.5, service autocomplete is broken |
| 15:42.17 | David77 | it's only a text file with a script for package https://packages.debian.org/stable/zsh imho |
| 15:42.35 | hansh | for example if you have lightdm installed, and you write `service light<tab>` it has nothing to suggest |
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| 15:42.49 | hansh | (works in Ubuntu 18.04 though) |
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| 15:44.54 | David77 | Quick_Wango: look link of bug, there's some solution. 'identical system' exactly identical (model if notebook, cpu ram etc)? |
| 15:45.39 | brokencycle | Hi! I am having trouble with my optimus graphics again. I followed the wiki and installed the nvidia drivers from backport (almost all 440.200-2~bpo10+1), but no luck. |
| 15:46.31 | Quick_Wango | David77: systens are exactly identically configured, yes. 3 HP servers. First one updated without an issue, the second one hit this grub problem (I solved it by reinstalling grub from netinstall rescue) and the third hasn't been updated yet, but I already reinstalled grub on there to prevent this mess |
| 15:49.13 | brokencycle | Can someone please help me get it going? It worked once, after lots of toil, but a few upgrades later, it broke down again. |
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| 15:49.19 | brokencycle | But I'd really like to get it going again. |
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| 15:52.41 | David77 | Quick_Wango: bizarre! same packages installed? theoretically as you rightly thought: same machine same mistake. server: Was that server attacked? :-( |
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| 16:02.09 | David77 | brokencycle: this wiki https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus ? you followed normal way too? |
| 16:04.33 | brokencycle | David77: Yes, I tried to follow that page. It has a few alternatives, but what I would like to have, is "NVIDIA PRIME Render Offload". |
| 16:04.46 | brokencycle | However, I can't even load the nvidia driver, although I do have the device. |
| 16:05.29 | brokencycle | I think that's what I wanted, I want the GPU kick in as soon as there's noticable graphics load. |
| 16:05.59 | brokencycle | And go back to intel-only if I'm only staring at an editor window. |
| 16:06.11 | brokencycle | And without my having to fiddle with it. |
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| 16:08.35 | brokencycle | But as it happens, using this method at least screws up my secondary monitor. |
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| 16:12.23 | brokencycle | This is when I try to manually set the environment variables, like shown in the wiki. The monitor will display short sequences of "snow", then go blank, then do it again, |
| 16:12.59 | brokencycle | while showing a message on the screen about illegal parameters. |
| 16:13.52 | David77 | if 'PRIME Render Offload method' have problem (look https://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/450.57/README/primerenderoffload.html) try another method, 6 methods in total ;-) |
| 16:15.40 | Antoine| | Hello, I'd like to convert a linear logical volume into a mirrored logical volume. It is inside of a volume group where the size of the logical volume is available as free space. How can I proceed? |
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| 16:16.03 | brokencycle | Actually, my most urgent use case would be to offload graphics to the GPU while running a windows VM, because that's (a) very slow, and (b) overheats the CPU. |
| 16:16.15 | Antoine| | I have 3 physical volumes: 2TB, 2TB and 4TB. They're all in one volume group |
| 16:16.27 | brokencycle | But thank you, I'll definitely take a look! |
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| 16:18.43 | Antoine| | My logical volume is 3.2TB and I have 3.2TB free in my volume group |
| 16:19.27 | Antoine| | But `sudo lvconvert -m 1 /dev/mvg/Medias` says "Insufficient suitable allocatable extents for logical volume : 361729 more required" |
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| 16:59.00 | frostschutz | Antoine|, what if you add --type raid1? output of pvs, lvs -o lv_name,vg_name,segtype,seg_pe_ranges mvg/Medias ? |
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| 17:08.59 | sevenninety | Hi all, I am having some trouble with a radeon r9 390 card. Seems to crash the pc. Read something about gpu clock speeds. Suggestion is to limit max freq. I find lots on overclocking but cannot find a way to reduce max gpu clock speed. |
| 17:14.08 | David77 | sevenninety: do you look the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo for radeon? |
| 17:16.16 | sevenninety | David77, I did. I installed and things were working find. I am using 3 displays and after a few weeks machine started blanking and rebooting. Lots of reading, one suggest was to mod kern boot params to force use of amdgpu module over radeon. I have been reading that some solutions is to reduce max gpu speed to less than 900Mhz. |
| 17:17.06 | sevenninety | I support this theory as watching the gpu freq, once over 900 things started to glitch so I shut down the programs and dropped to low freqs and it stabilized |
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| 17:38.23 | LCRERGO | When I do an "apt list --upgradable | sed 1d | wc -l" it shows me apt does not have an stable CLI interface is there any way to get the same result but in a stable interface? |
| 17:40.14 | jmcnaught | LCRERGO: "aptitude search ~U" |
| 17:47.00 | David77 | can you help for my problem jessie > stretch 32bit with 'Missing one or more of the required CPU extensions' if it works with stretch? thanks |
| 17:48.09 | sney | David77: that sounds like a hardware incompatibility. what cpu is in this machine? |
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| 17:50.32 | LCRERGO | @jmcnaught can't I do it with only apt and dpkg? |
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| 17:53.33 | David77 | sney: tan |
| 17:53.37 | David77 | thanks |
| 17:55.10 | jmcnaught | LCRERGO: not that I know of besides "apt list --upgradable", but apt has that message warning not to use it in scripts. That aptitude command doesn't require you to use aptitude's TUI. aptitude's search is actually pretty awesome. |
| 17:55.13 | David77 | for answer. (sorry return) now i have not a pc on but problem is for this new https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#i386-is-now-almost-i686 |
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| 17:56.21 | David77 | sney: is very old CPU. if you want i turn on the pc |
| 17:56.32 | sney | David77: then I will direct you to the same page, where it says "If your machine is not compatible with this requirement, it is recommended that you stay with Jessie for the reminder of its support cycle. " |
| 17:57.04 | jmcnaught | David77: I would assume they're not kidding about that. |
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| 17:59.19 | sney | I guess jessie-lts is eol as of 1.5 months ago. but yes, eventually old hardware is no longer supportable. debian is better about this than most distros, but there's only so much that can be done |
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| 17:59.38 | sney | if you need that machine running with a current OS you may want to look into NetBSD. |
| 18:00.08 | David77 | sney and mcnaught thanks for anwer. yes i know (i write it) but: now support cycle is end :-( is 'raccomanded' or stretch non works at all? |
| 18:00.43 | sney | as the page says, stretch does not support your cpu. |
| 18:01.06 | sney | you could try to install it, but it's not likely to work. |
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| 18:02.06 | David77 | I was hoping it was just a recommendation. :-( i looooooove debian |
| 18:03.02 | David77 | I know it's a very old computer but I was hoping. |
| 18:04.09 | sney | if you knew the cpu model, even just from a sticker on the case, it would be easier to guess |
| 18:04.17 | sney | or try a stretch livecd and see what happens |
| 18:04.42 | sney | if it's one of those funny VIA cpus from 2003 it may be fine. if it's a 486, probably not. |
| 18:05.55 | David77 | yes i try tomorrow with livecd/usb. NetBSD ? is debian based and with lxde? |
| 18:06.32 | sney | NetBSD is a BSD UNIX. it's not related to debian. lxde is probably available in it. |
| 18:06.54 | jmcnaught | If the computer is that old I doubt it will boot from USB, you will probably need to burn a CD-R. |
| 18:07.13 | sney | it's famous for having support for any kind of hardware, with jokes like "installing NetBSD on my toaster and playing DOOM" decades before anyone imagined IoT |
| 18:08.15 | raver | > it's famous for having support for any kind of hardware, with jokes like "installing NetBSD on my toaster and playing DOOM" decades before anyone imagined IoT |
| 18:08.15 | raver | ð |
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| 18:15.16 | David77 | my ol pc it's a tower acer aspire with Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz - flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pebs bts eagerfpu pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr |
| 18:17.02 | sney | that's reasonably modern. try stretch (heck, try buster) and see if it works |
| 18:23.23 | David77 | sney: yes i try it tomorrow. reasonably modern ... not exactly :-) the script check the flags of /proc/cpuinfo (if grep -q â^flags.*\bfpu\b.*\btsc\b.*\bcx8\b.*\bcmov\bâ /proc/cpuinfo;) .... but the flags seem to me to be all there. I don't know why the script failed. |
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| 18:24.28 | sney | reasonably modern in comparison to the 350MHz that I was expecting. it's still 21st century technology. |
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| 18:24.38 | jmcnaught | David77: what is the model of the CPU? |
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| 18:25.45 | sney | skimming wikipedia, the earliest model to advertise "2.66" as the speed was a Celeron D from the Prescott family. 2004 |
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| 18:27.47 | David77 | jmcnaught: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz with cpuinfo. sney: yes probably 2004 |
| 18:27.50 | sney | this should be compatible with any 32-bit x86 linux. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/27112/intel-celeron-d-processor-330-256k-cache-2-66-ghz-533-mhz-fsb.html |
| 18:28.36 | jmcnaught | I wonder why it told you "NOT OK" when you ran that code snippets from the release notes then? I would still proceed with caution. |
| 18:29.25 | David77 | brobably. cpuinfo say only 'model name: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz' |
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| 18:31.03 | genr8_ | it should say a buncha flags. |
| 18:31.56 | sney | 'lshw -class processor' as root will also be more verbose about vendor/model than cpuinfo |
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| 18:35.42 | genr8_ | i ran both, on mine and diffed the flags, and theres 4 differences |
| 18:36.14 | genr8_ | lshw = cpufreq,fpu_exception. proc/cpuinfo = lm,wp |
| 18:36.17 | sney | interesting |
| 18:36.42 | genr8_ | doh i said that wrong |
| 18:36.51 | genr8_ | but its those 4 |
| 18:38.31 | genr8_ | googling what wp or lm is is hard :/ |
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| 18:42.52 | David77 | jmcnaught: in the flags there is: fpu, tsc, cx8 and cmov i dont know why script say 'NOT OK'. sney: yes sorry is with lshw (root) -> product: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz, physical id: 0, version: 15.3.4, size: 2700MHz, width: 32 bits |
| 18:43.10 | David77 | capabilities: boot fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pebs bts eagerfpu pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr |
| 18:43.49 | sney | probably a false negative of some sort. I'd say you're good to go. |
| 18:45.09 | genr8_ | yeah those 4 flags seem to exist |
| 18:45.52 | genr8_ | and for my question, i think lm is long mode. wp is probably some kind of write protect mode. likely antiquated stuff that everything has and is not worth mentioning |
| 18:46.22 | David77 | I think too. however it is simply a grep on / proc / cpuinfo. it's just a script with a grep with an if then. bizarre |
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| 18:47.30 | genr8_ | yes. odd. |
| 18:48.05 | genr8_ | works for me, maybe your grep is different and has some regex issue ? |
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| 18:49.12 | sney | maybe something got mangled by the copy-paste. |
| 18:50.35 | David77 | genr8: mystery. sorry i missed your question. sney: malefic copy-paste :-) ehehehehehe |
| 18:52.47 | David77 | 'The 32-bit PC support (known as the Debian architecture i386) now no longer covers a plain i586 processor. The new baseline is the i686, although some i586 processors (e.g. the âAMD Geodeâ) will remain supported.' i386... i586.... i686 AAAAARGHHH |
| 18:53.06 | genr8_ | 486 feels left out |
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| 18:53.55 | CarlFK | meson says: Run-time dependency glib-2.0 found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake) all the lines; https://paste.debian.net/1159663/ |
| 18:55.16 | CarlFK | I've installed build-essential nasm git python3-venv python3-pip python3-dev pkg-config libmount-dev flex bison cmake libglib2.0-dev |
| 18:55.56 | CarlFK | trying to do https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-examples/-/tree/master/webrtc#building |
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| 19:06.15 | genr8_ | add libglib2.0-dev-bin |
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| 19:06.26 | genr8_ | or libglib2.0-bin |
| 19:07.17 | CarlFK | libglib2.0-bin is already the newest version (2.58.3-2+deb10u2). libglib2.0-dev-bin is already the newest version (2.58.3-2+deb10u2). |
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| 19:09.03 | sney | time to look at the script itself and find out what the test is actually doing |
| 19:10.49 | genr8_ | the full meson-log.txt has some clues |
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| 19:16.03 | genr8_ | do you have libjson-glib-1.0-common libjson-glib-1.0-0 |
| 19:16.57 | CarlFK | yes and yes |
| 19:18.00 | genr8_ | ok Line 108 of your paste: meson.build:12:0: ERROR: Subproject directory not found and glib.wrap file not found , says Line 12 is failing in the meson build. which is this line: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-examples/-/blob/master/meson.build#L12 |
| 19:18.27 | genr8_ | edit that file and take out the version: '>= 2.38', part , since you know you have it. |
| 19:18.44 | genr8_ | the debian 2.58.3-2+deb10u is probably corrupting the >=2.38 check in meson |
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| 19:19.58 | genr8_ | and if that works, try to ask in the mesonbuild chan on freenode if they know why thats a fail |
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| 19:28.32 | CarlFK | I #ed out that whole 4,8 glib lines, got past it, now getting Run-time dependency gstreamer-1.0 found: NO - which is equally confusing, so off to #mesonbuild - which I didnt' know about, I looked for #meson |
| 19:28.40 | CarlFK | thanks for the pointer |
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| 19:32.48 | genr8_ | well you cant comment out the entire lines. the dependencies need to be specified to add the libs to the compilation |
| 19:33.44 | genr8_ | its just a matter of getting it to find them |
| 19:35.04 | genr8_ | you might have to have built and gstreamer first before the examples |
| 19:37.13 | CarlFK | I did, using a similar build system. and I have the stable installed too |
| 19:37.32 | CarlFK | so ... something weird needs to be figured out |
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| 19:40.28 | genr8_ | indeed |
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| 19:47.12 | David77 | genr8_: yes lm -> #define X86_FEATURE_LM ( 1*32+29) /* Long Mode (x86-64, 64-bit support) */ but wp????? *wp there's only HWP (14*32+ 7) /* Intel Hardware P-states */, LWP ( 6*32+15) /* Light Weight Profiling */ (in cpufeatures.h) |
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| 19:52.51 | David77 | (root/arch/x86/include/asm/cpufeatures.h) |
| 19:58.20 | CarlFK | genr8_: #mesonbuild gave me the needed clue. I was in the gst dev shell that changes paths around to use the fresh compiled gst libs, ... so back to #gst I go. |
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| 20:01.25 | David77 | for lwp is probably cmov Conditional move and FCMOV instructions |
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| 20:03.35 | David77 | no sorry is ECX, lwp = Light Weight Profiling |
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| 20:15.20 | genr8_ | in proc/cpuinfo, wp is its own category: wp: yes (right above flags) |
| 20:15.31 | nvz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_register#CR0 |
| 20:15.49 | genr8_ | ah ha |
| 20:15.54 | genr8_ | i was right. Write Protect. |
| 20:15.55 | nvz | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/x86/include/asm/cpufeatures.h |
| 20:16.48 | genr8_ | yea i saw, but WP isnt in that file |
| 20:17.08 | genr8_ | the CR0 wiki has it as part of Long Mode |
| 20:17.13 | nvz | yes because its not a cpu feature, its a flag on CR0 |
| 20:17.18 | genr8_ | indeed |
| 20:17.24 | genr8_ | lshw lists it as a flag however |
| 20:21.05 | genr8_ | well my curiosity is satisfied now. LM = long mode, and WP = write protect part of CR0 |
| 20:21.50 | genr8_ | remember when we had to know how this stuff to use machine code ? |
| 20:22.01 | genr8_ | how it works* |
| 20:22.45 | nvz | great, cause while I miss the days when this channel was this active, nothing going on in here warrants my attention.. cause its all general crap about linux.. compiling 3rd party software, cpu info.. etc |
| 20:23.02 | David77 | interesting, but wikipedia is NOT a debian manual :-) the correct link is https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/manuals/64-ia-32-architectures-software-developer-vol-3a-part-1-manual.pdf ;-) |
| 20:23.37 | nvz | ugh.. I never want to see another intel programming manual.. they are miles long |
| 20:23.37 | David77 | but why is not in debian man? bha! |
| 20:23.46 | genr8_ | which page out of 468 is that on ? :P |
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| 20:24.30 | genr8_ | we should be reading these. this is how they slip the backdoors in :p they document them in ambiguous ways, barely. |
| 20:24.32 | David77 | ehehehehe if you want i find it |
| 20:24.47 | nvz | and real snooze fests.. if that one is only 468 pages, its a TINY one.. |
| 20:25.13 | nvz | read one of the graphics programming manuals ugh.. |
| 20:25.38 | nvz | just do it on a 64bit machine.. might cause an overflow otherwise :P |
| 20:26.07 | genr8_ | I found out from the X79 chipset manual about something called the HDA_SDO pin mod. Note: Asserting the HDA_SDO high on the rising edge of PCH_PWROK will also halt Intel ME after chipset bring up and disable runtime Intel ME features. This is a debug mode and must not be asserted after manufacturing/debug. |
| 20:26.30 | genr8_ | TLDR: you can short out 2 pins on your HD Audio sound chip thats tied to the PCH to disable the Intel ME |
| 20:26.51 | genr8_ | and its documented and people found out about it. barely. |
| 20:27.24 | genr8_ | i didnt invent it but I investigated it and its some weird stuff |
| 20:27.45 | genr8_ | they re-used pin functionality for totally different pre-boot and post-boot internal debug stuff |
| 20:28.53 | CarlFK | genr8_: and anyone else into such hardware hacking: https://nitter.net/mithro/status/1292189637566320640 |
| 20:29.31 | CarlFK | and also https://fossi-foundation.org/2020/06/30/skywater-pdk "Produce your own physical chips. For free. In the Open." |
| 20:29.52 | CarlFK | ok enough commercial break, back to #debian chatting. |
| 20:30.16 | genr8_ | ill take it to offtopic |
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| 20:30.51 | genr8_ | but yeah ive seen the FOSS chips thing . its sponsored by Google. and the 1st twitter post is very weird. I wonder if that kinda side channel is actually going on in our chips already |
| 20:34.44 | David77 | tomorrow i test stretch on my Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz (not 486). genr8_: for 486 you can see https://www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/processors/pentium4/sb/253669.pdf (historical document of 2008) |
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| 20:36.41 | David77 | I tell you how it went with stretch livecd |
| 20:36.57 | genr8_ | you sure thats the right document ? says pentium 4. |
| 20:37.48 | genr8_ | David77, I have a feeling it will work, just web browser will be slow as molasses |
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| 20:40.49 | David77 | genr8_: in jessie it's ok web browser. the document is for pentium 4 but if you search you find 386 and 486. probably there's a 486 pdf |
| 20:41.15 | jhutchins | How is this related to Debian support? |
| 20:41.41 | David77 | https://www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/processors/pentium/sb/24199710.pdf |
| 20:42.13 | genr8_ | we were investigating CPU flags for his celeron |
| 20:42.34 | jhutchins | That's really not a Debian thing. |
| 20:42.41 | David77 | mitic in 1997! |
| 20:42.52 | genr8_ | it was if youd scroll up to see how it started |
| 20:43.57 | genr8_ | why bother reading when you can just alt tab every once and a while and shout about staying on topic |
| 20:45.13 | genr8_ | BACK TO WORK PPL dang its too noisy in here I cant process all the support questions coming in |
| 20:45.47 | David77 | jhutchins: yes sorry you are right. i would like to upgarde jessie to stretch but in https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#i386-is-now-almost-i686 say for old CPU but lshw dont say exactly CPU model |
| 20:46.34 | jhutchins | David77: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:47.26 | genr8_ | the bash script doesnt work for him, we had to find them manually |
| 20:47.44 | David77 | yes i know, we talked about it before. only Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz not at all |
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| 20:49.35 | nvz | the Celeron D, Pentium M, Penitum 4.. etc are all still supported |
| 20:49.41 | David77 | jhutchins: thanks for intersting. tomorrow i test with livecd of stretch. obviously not a security but at least I can see if there are already errors. |
| 20:49.50 | nvz | these are all i686 processors |
| 20:51.06 | David77 | nvz: i dont know if my CPU is in 'The 32-bit PC support (known as the Debian architecture i386) now no longer covers a plain i586 processor. The new baseline is the i686, although some i586 processors (e.g. the âAMD Geodeâ) will remain supported.' |
| 20:51.11 | nvz | for intel it goes all the way back to the Pentium Pro |
| 20:51.52 | nvz | yes, 586 is being dropped.. a 586 is like an AMD K5 or something |
| 20:53.13 | nvz | all Celerons are i686 or better |
| 20:54.28 | David77 | lshw dont say if is a i686 :-( i try tomorrow with livecd of stetch (now i have jessie). probably you see: change pc..... with pandemia .... no money :( if ALL celeron is i686 YEAH!!! |
| 20:55.03 | David77 | *you say |
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| 20:55.15 | nvz | David77: lscpu | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 20:56.32 | nvz | David77: I dont think you can really blame the pandemic.. you've had 20 years to upgrade/replace this machine.. the pandemic has only been an issue for most people about 20 weeks :P |
| 20:57.04 | nvz | not to mention depending on the CPU socket, you may be able to go to another CPU that is dirt cheap and much better |
| 20:57.37 | nvz | I bought a Socket 775 P4 (same socket as Core2) like more than 10 years ago for like US$10 |
| 20:57.47 | nvz | 3.4Ghz iirc |
| 20:58.09 | EdePopede | does debian come with some kind of dropzone? something small i can place on an empty space on my desktop, icon sized is enough, and drag things out of GUI programs onto it. like links from the browser, but not only. and would be nice if it was scriptable so i could decide what to do depending of the type of content. on the lower end something immediately spitting out the text to stdout would be fine. |
| 20:58.40 | nvz | EdePopede: this would be very simple to implement |
| 20:59.28 | jhutchins | David77: You could grep the model name derived from cat /proc/cpuinfo, but lscup bugs: cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf mds swapgs itlb_multihit srbds |
| 20:59.37 | EdePopede | i had a look long ago into pygtk or what it was, i think this would be the way? not sure if one of the existing dialog tools already have it. |
| 20:59.38 | jhutchins | gives yoou the architecture. |
| 21:00.33 | jhutchins | David77: You could grep the model name derived from cat /proc/cpuinfo, but lscpu gives you the architecture directly. |
| 21:00.56 | jhutchins | (Where these weird pastebuffers come from I have no idea.) |
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| 21:02.18 | nvz | EdePopede: I know yad does |
| 21:03.11 | nvz | EdePopede: yad --dnd |
| 21:03.16 | EdePopede | cool, i'll look at it |
| 21:03.27 | EdePopede | now that i read it it even looks familiar |
| 21:03.43 | David77 | jhutchins: only (model name) Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz and same in lshw (with root) product: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz. thanks anyway. I have to go shortly to send my daughter to sleep |
| 21:03.56 | EdePopede | i had problems with zenity already, but yad is something i just can't memorize :/ |
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| 21:04.43 | jhutchins | David77: One more time: lscpu - not lshw |
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| 21:10.55 | nvz | yes, you keep repeating the bits I couldnt care less about |
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| 21:11.13 | nvz | its like idiots saying the WORDS on lspci instead of the identifier |
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| 21:11.46 | n4dir | i couldn't figure out what the exact problem is, but i sure got a Celeron on one of my PC's |
| 21:13.04 | David77 | jhutchins: lscpu have the same information of model (Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz) but in architecture i i686, 32-bit, Little Endian! thanks :-) |
| 21:15.56 | David77 | thanks to all of you! |
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| 23:12.42 | winny | hello. is there a way to search all debian repositories by package license? |
| 23:14.43 | ARoxdale | Is there a way to set up wifi in debian from the command line? Some kind of automatic program? |
| 23:15.03 | ARoxdale | I'm trying to google solutions but I'm getting a lot of conflicting results. |
| 23:15.56 | dvs | ARoxdale, https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
| 23:18.26 | Allain | https://linuxconfig.org/connect-to-wifi-from-the-linux-command-line |
| 23:18.41 | sney | /etc/network/interfaces will let you specify the ssid and psk too, scroll up a bit from where dvs's link drops you and there's an example. |
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| 23:19.30 | sney | wpa_supplicant.conf by comparison is more complex with little extra benefit |
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| 23:22.20 | ARoxdale | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:22.43 | dvs | ??? no they're not |
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| 23:23.21 | ARoxdale | I'm using OpenMediaVault, but I've encountered this issue on ubuntu also. |
| 23:23.49 | dar8 | Hi, |
| 23:23.49 | dar8 | I have a problem, i believe with Dolphin (The file manager) |
| 23:23.50 | dar8 | > When i create a new document using the contextual menu in my file manager (Dolphin) the format of Libre Office is Letter |
| 23:23.50 | dar8 | > When i create a new document using Libre Office Writter the format is A4 |
| 23:23.51 | dar8 | Both of the file created have have the default style however ... |
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| 23:24.47 | ARoxdale | This issue with autogenerated interfaces file has been happenning since the changes that turned wlan0 into wlxxxx |
| 23:25.04 | n4dir | ls /etc/ |
| 23:25.16 | dar8 | Hi, |
| 23:25.16 | dar8 | I have a problem, i believe with Dolphin (The file manager) |
| 23:25.17 | dar8 | > When i create a new document using the contextual menu in my file manager (Dolphin) the format of Libre Office is Letter |
| 23:25.17 | dar8 | > When i create a new document using Libre Office Writter the format is A4 |
| 23:25.18 | dar8 | Both of the file created have have the default style however ... |
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| 23:25.36 | dvs | !tell dar8 about paste |
| 23:26.39 | ARoxdale | The machine is terminal only with no network, so I can't paste anything |
| 23:26.54 | sney | ARoxdale: we gave you the support information for debian. if you're not using debian, go to the correct channel, please |
| 23:27.20 | sney | it's not #debian's job to reverse engineer a solution for some random derivative |
| 23:27.49 | dar8 | I don't understand i can't paste i have to type it ? |
| 23:28.09 | n4dir | dar8 you can also use pastebinit and post the link |
| 23:28.24 | sney | dar8: the bot auto-kicks people who paste more than 4 lines. if you have some long paragraph you can put it in a pastebin. or you can try describing your problem without hitting enter so many times. |
| 23:28.28 | ARoxdale | I'm pretty sure the auto generation of /etc/network/interfaces is coming from debian changes. |
| 23:28.38 | n4dir | though i'd assume the paste info from the bot gives that info |
| 23:28.56 | sney | ARoxdale: nope, debian doesn't do that. /etc/network/interfaces is commonly used in debian systems to manually control the network. ask me how many systems I'm currently doing that on |
| 23:30.10 | sney | ARoxdale: openmediavault seems to have a support forum, they may have a channel somewhere, and in any case "based on debian" is not supported here. that is a very established rule and you will get nowhere arguing it |
| 23:33.35 | dar8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.50 | dar8 | * Dolphin |
| 23:35.27 | sney | dar8: how did you get that context menu item? I'm using kde and libreoffice and I don't get a "create new" option for a libreoffice document |
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| 23:36.48 | dar8 | I think it was some kind of extension in the KDE store, but i don't remember ... |
| 23:38.48 | sney | likely a bug with that extension, then. |
| 23:38.57 | sney | bets an american developer who never considered other formats |
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| 23:39.31 | ndegruchy | sney: I get libreoffice items in dolphin with no outside work |
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| 23:39.42 | ndegruchy | sney: but your theory is the most likely one |
| 23:40.37 | dar8 | A picture of the menu : https://file.io/3hAPu2obABTd |
| 23:40.40 | ndegruchy | I wonder if you can even localize those documents |
| 23:40.53 | sney | I am on bullseye so I'm a couple versions ahead, but I don't remember ever seeing it over the years |
| 23:41.08 | sney | 404 on the file.io. I don't think that service works |
| 23:42.02 | dar8 | Imgur : https://imgur.com/a/TCg3YQV |
| 23:42.13 | ndegruchy | They're basic skeleton files, you could likely just put your own versions in the templates folder |
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| 23:45.24 | ndegruchy | If you have $XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR set, you can drop .desktop files there |
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| 23:46.58 | ndegruchy | Skeleton template folder .desktop file https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wp3XZIDh/file-type.desktop |
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| 23:48.56 | ndegruchy | Older source for the information: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?t=119342 |
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| 23:53.19 | dar8 | I see, thanks for the help |
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