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| 00:55.10 | nlpqda | I'm trying to install several 386 libraries but apt/debian always return an "unable to locate package" message .. e.g. libgl1-mesa-dev:i386 libglu1-mesa-dev:i386 libx11-dev:i386 libxfixes-dev:i386 |
| 00:55.20 | nlpqda | any suggestions to fix this issue? |
| 00:57.28 | absinthe | nlpqda: are you running x86_64 system ? if so, you might need to 'dpkg --add-architecture i386' first |
| 00:59.35 | nlpqda | yes 64 bit ... added the mentioned architecture and it seems to fix everything ... thank you absinthe |
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| 01:00.15 | absinthe | np! |
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| 01:44.53 | cuddylier | I'm using static IP with netcfg in a preseed script for pxe booting Debian, how would I set the MTU? I can't see any option for netcfg that allows this. |
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| 01:56.46 | BalooRJ | Is it possible to rename the /home/ folder in Debian? |
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| 01:57.37 | nkuttler | BalooRJ: why would you want to do that? |
| 01:58.00 | BalooRJ | Just curious, I don't particularly want to just wanted to see if it was possible. |
| 01:58.38 | nkuttler | sure, you can just rename it. that will break things for users though, unless you configure them accordingly |
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| 01:59.41 | zumba_addict | This is weird, output is "No path found matching pattern /bin/nc" when I execute `dpkg -S /bin/nc` but it's there |
| 02:00.52 | nkuttler | zumba_addict: ls -l /bin/nc |
| 02:01.10 | nkuttler | !alternatives |
| 02:01.10 | dpkg | somebody said alternatives was the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. http://people.debian.org/~jwilk/alternatives/Contents has a recently created list of all the available alternatives-managed paths in Debian. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives |
| 02:01.13 | zumba_addict | oh, it's a symbolic link |
| 02:02.24 | zumba_addict | it worked now, the symbolic link was pointing to another symbolic link, lol. Until /bin/nc.openbsd :) |
| 02:02.31 | zumba_addict | thanks! |
| 02:03.25 | themill | (readlink -f ftw) |
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| 04:43.32 | Urk | I am trying to recover both a lost password, and lost username on a friend's system that has new install of Debian 10. I tried resetting the password first, but receive an error message indicating Authentication token manipulation error. |
| 04:43.46 | Urk | Any idea why I receive this error? And how i can get around it? |
| 04:48.07 | Urk | Anyone alive and BREATHING ? ? ? |
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| 04:49.55 | nebunez | sometimes people are around, sometimes they're not. Sometimes I have to come back later and ask, it's the nature of IRC. |
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| 04:54.53 | annadane | !ifrp |
| 04:54.53 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 04:55.01 | annadane | Urk, i don't know for sure but that may help you ^ |
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| 04:55.18 | annadane | although i suppose that's more for root |
| 04:55.21 | annadane | than a user password |
| 04:55.34 | annadane | i don't know much beyond that, but perhaps others can chime in |
| 04:57.54 | themill | "lost username" is that a thing? |
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| 05:00.15 | Urk | still get the same error "authentication token manipulation error". I rebooted after entering init=/bin/sh at the end of the line starting with linux. |
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| 05:02.48 | search_social | Urk: don't you just boot single user and run passwd? |
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| 05:07.32 | Urk | search_social> progress is being made, and the password is reset. I should have taken notice of who the single user was, but didn't so will rerun the routine. |
| 05:08.01 | search_social | okay |
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| 05:19.55 | annadane | remind me to stop giving half-assed guesses |
| 05:22.21 | Unit193 | This I can relate to.. :/ |
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| 06:06.59 | kittonian | Hi all. Had a box die on me as I was heading to bed so the only internet I have is my phone. This box was pfsense running with my cable modem. |
| 06:07.32 | kittonian | I plugged the modem into port 2 on another box and configured an additional up on eth0:1 |
| 06:08.12 | kittonian | i also set eth1 to be dhcp to receive info automatically from the modem but itâs not showing an actual IP address |
| 06:08.42 | kittonian | it only shows an inet6 string |
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| 06:10.22 | kittonian | I need help with two things. 1. Get eth1 to show an ip. 2. Set the default route for all the other systems on the LAN with their gateway as 10.0.0.252 (the pfsense box) which is now this other boxes ip alias, to access the internet through this boxes eth1 |
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| 06:10.39 | kittonian | sorry if that was confusing but Iâm sure you get the idea |
| 06:11.29 | kittonian | basically I want all traffic coming in to eth0:1 routed out through eth1 (the cable modem) |
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| 08:33.42 | ws2k3 | df -h shows me 1.2 TB is it possible to see it in GB's ? |
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| 08:35.17 | ayekat | ws2k3: see the -B option in df(1) |
| 08:35.24 | eblip | hey in terminal my keyboard is gb...but when i startx keyboard has suddenly changed to us. |
| 08:35.44 | eblip | how or where did this happen...i am using xmonad if that helps |
| 08:35.57 | allorder | df -BG |
| 08:36.04 | eblip | this has only happened since last reboot |
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| 09:17.19 | moldy | hi |
| 09:17.42 | moldy | https://dpaste.org/g4JQ any idea where these processes belong to? |
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| 09:25.20 | ksk | moldy: distro? If Debian (based): "dpkg -L /usr/lib/ipsec/starter" |
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| 09:25.45 | ksk | eh, dpkg -S, sorry. |
| 09:27.55 | ayekat | also `systemctl status {pid}` may help identify the service that launched those processes |
| 09:28.01 | ksk | oh, this is #debian, I missed that :D |
| 09:29.56 | moldy | ksk: debian 10 |
| 09:30.06 | moldy | strongswan-starter: /usr/lib/ipsec/starter |
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| 09:30.23 | ksk | that is the package wich contains said file then. |
| 09:30.31 | moldy | i don't remember setting up anything ipsec-related except vpnc, so not sure where this comes from |
| 09:30.36 | ksk | (its is vpn-foo - if you do not need it, feel free to remove) |
| 09:30.47 | ksk | "aptitude why strongswan-starter" could help figure that out |
| 09:30.48 | moldy | the thing is that it's blocking the vpnc default local port :) |
| 09:31.17 | moldy | hmm, network-manager-l2tp. it's possible that i installed that and forgot about it |
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| 09:32.10 | moldy | thanks! |
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| 10:11.10 | RhineDevil | whois peb |
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| 10:16.05 | Haohmaru | JE SUIS peb |
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| 10:27.25 | RhineDevil | Haohmaru, what packages do you mantain? |
| 10:27.44 | Haohmaru | me? absolutely none |
| 10:30.51 | RhineDevil | Haohmaru, you aren't peb |
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| 10:43.19 | LaScoumoune_ | hii i go on buster i'm on stretch, so i want say thank you strecht you have never bug, i have use some command very hard, i have hit you with some bad script but i go now bb |
| 10:43.25 | LaScoumoune_ | xD |
| 10:43.55 | LaScoumoune_ | and my question is: i used gnome, so who use it on buster and who use xfce |
| 10:44.09 | LaScoumoune_ | xfce4* |
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| 10:47.31 | Haohmaru | RhineDevil yeah, i'm Haohmaru |
| 10:47.47 | Haohmaru | woz just kidding |
| 10:48.06 | LaScoumoune_ | stretch* |
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| 10:50.01 | Haohmaru | lxde for me |
| 10:50.27 | Haohmaru | xfce4 is okay, i hate gnome |
| 10:50.30 | ratrace | i3-wm ftw. also: |
| 10:50.32 | ratrace | !bad polls |
| 10:50.32 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian. |
| 10:51.56 | LaScoumoune_ | yea xfce xfce !! |
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| 10:53.39 | LaScoumoune_ | i go install in advanced mode with minimal i love thatt omg |
| 10:53.55 | LaScoumoune_ | it's like a woman you draw |
| 10:54.16 | Haohmaru | <concern.jpg> |
| 10:55.03 | LaScoumoune_ | i hate network manager i love ifup package i love command line i love xterm |
| 10:55.10 | ratrace | <jackie_chan_meme.jpg> |
| 10:55.12 | LaScoumoune_ | kiss all see you in buster |
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| 11:05.09 | LaScoumoune_ | Expert mode Expert mode oh yea baby hit my brain |
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| 11:08.12 | Haohmaru | <concern_intensifies.gif> |
| 11:08.44 | LaScoumoune_ | I can see you're gif/pic |
| 11:08.46 | LaScoumoune_ | PING ME |
| 11:08.56 | LaScoumoune_ | i want you ping meee |
| 11:09.03 | ratrace | no |
| 11:09.29 | LaScoumoune_ | ping me and i ping you please :'(( |
| 11:09.47 | ratrace | <nope.jpg> |
| 11:10.19 | LaScoumoune_ | :'( |
| 11:12.19 | Haohmaru | i like debian, but i don't like installing an OS.. that means i have to wait before i can do anything interesting |
| 11:13.52 | LaScoumoune_ | i love install in expert mode with nothing |
| 11:14.01 | LaScoumoune_ | Imake my world in this bad world |
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| 11:14.29 | Haohmaru | o k a y |
| 11:16.05 | ratrace | real pros use debootstrap. |
| 11:18.00 | LaScoumoune_ | yeaa you the colonel |
| 11:18.05 | LaScoumoune_ | but i'm major |
| 11:18.37 | ratrace | I'm supreme commander |
| 11:19.10 | Haohmaru | i'm a samurai |
| 11:19.14 | LaScoumoune_ | xD yea that you feel when you install with nothing |
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| 12:47.55 | derekv | Try to recreate an older system on top of Buster, and so I'm eyeing over some differences. On my fresh install of buster, my /etc/network/interfaces does _not_ contain any lines about loopback, neither "auto lo" nor "iface lo inet loopback". I assume these lines not necessary anymore? |
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| 12:51.17 | noirx | hello, i have installed a program , where can i find the executable in debian |
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| 12:53.02 | Brigo | noirx, usually in /usr/bin |
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| 12:53.31 | noirx | brigo: i cant find the installed one there |
| 12:53.50 | Brigo | noirx, how do you installed it? with apt? |
| 12:54.04 | noirx | .deb file downloaded |
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| 12:54.46 | Brigo | noirx, dpkg -L <packagename> should list the files installed by the package, it should tell you where the binary was installed. |
| 12:55.11 | noirx | ok let me try thank brigo |
| 12:55.50 | ratrace | !buster su |
| 12:55.51 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 13:03.18 | noirx | Brigo, thanks i started the program, how can i make a shortcut for program /apt/program on desktop |
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| 13:51.57 | kline | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b5c18443/ |
| 13:52.26 | kline | im consistently getting this error when using the latest chromium in buster |
| 13:52.42 | kline | is anyone getting anything like it? |
| 13:52.54 | kline | or know who i should speak to about solving it? |
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| 14:14.23 | ksk | ,v chromiu |
| 14:14.24 | judd | No package named 'chromiu' was found in amd64. |
| 14:14.24 | ksk | ,v chromium |
| 14:14.25 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 80.0.3987.162-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 83.0.4103.116-1~deb10u2; bullseye: 83.0.4103.116-2; sid: 83.0.4103.116-2 |
| 14:14.52 | ksk | kline: report a bug. |
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| 14:20.56 | reintegrated | I love Debian. |
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| 14:22.27 | bthomas | How do I map the Left Alt key to "Meta" in a Virtual Console ? At present when I press Alt + some char on a console it prints a graphic character such as one with diacritics. The same behaviour is seen in Emacs when run in a console, and hence my problem. |
| 14:22.52 | kline | ksk: to where and how |
| 14:24.37 | Unit193 | #963548? |
| 14:24.38 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/963548 in chromium (open, moreinfo): «Received signal 11 SEGV_MAPERR»; severity: grave; opened: 2020-06-23; last modified: 2020-07-07. |
| 14:25.12 | kline | neato burrito |
| 14:25.28 | kline | this is the same bug, yes |
| 14:25.31 | kline | thanks Unit193 |
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| 14:26.16 | Unit193 | kline: But to answer the other question, I'd say installing a dbgsym package to get traceback, then using `reportbug` to report the issue. |
| 14:26.38 | kline | i was halfway through reportbug when this popped up |
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| 16:12.12 | kittonian | hi all. my pfsense box died on me at 2am last night so I config'd my other box to forward the traffic in the meantime using iptables |
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| 16:12.50 | kittonian | this box is running bind for internal stuff, and I needed to configure an additional ip address alias so the other systems on my lan didn't all have to be changed |
| 16:13.08 | kittonian | so, I have eth0 as 10.0.0.4, eth0:1 as 10.0.0.252 and eth1 (cable modem) |
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| 16:14.05 | kittonian | however, the route must be incorrect because all the network devices that are config'd to use 10.0.0.4 as their dns no longer pass traffic until I also set a secondary dns server of 8.8.8.8 |
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| 16:14.52 | kittonian | bind is config'd properly because this worked perfectly prior to the pfsense box dying, but now that this new alias ip exists and I modified the default gw to be the ip of the cable modem, it no longer works |
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| 16:18.07 | nvz | you asked this stuff earlier.. and my quetion is.. WHY? this is #debian not #pfsense |
| 16:18.17 | kittonian | i am talking about debian |
| 16:18.23 | kittonian | pfsense is no longer in the equation |
| 16:18.26 | kittonian | that box is dead |
| 16:18.42 | nvz | then why even mention it? to confuse the issue? |
| 16:19.05 | kittonian | i literally said I config'd my other box to forward the traffic in the meantime using iptables |
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| 16:19.32 | kittonian | i am just trying to resolve this dns server issue |
| 16:20.03 | nvz | so your debian router is failing to work with the ISP dns? |
| 16:20.13 | kittonian | i don't understand why i need to setup a secondary dns of 8.8.8.8 on all my network devices now, when it was working just fine before |
| 16:20.30 | kittonian | no, that's not what I asked |
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| 16:20.57 | kittonian | this box, running debian, is running bind for our internal dns and forwarding all external requests to 8.8.8.8 for resolution |
| 16:21.02 | nvz | you didnt /ask/ anything.. you just put a bunch of confusing information in the channel numerous times |
| 16:21.17 | kittonian | so all devices on the LAN only have 10.0.0.4 (the eth0 ip address of this box) as their dns |
| 16:21.32 | nvz | I may not be able to help, but I can tell you no one else can either if we can't get concisely to what the actual issue/question is |
| 16:22.04 | kittonian | but since I had to create an ip alias of 10.0.0.252 on eth0:1 and setup eth1 to be the dhcp address of the cable modem, I also had to change the default gw to be the ip assigned to the cable modem |
| 16:22.32 | nvz | I'm only feeling farther away from the issue the more you say |
| 16:22.40 | kittonian | now, all my LAN devices need to have 8.8.8.8 as their dns server in order to pass traffic as 10.0.0.4 is no longer resolving external requests |
| 16:23.06 | nvz | all I can gather so far is that you're only getting dns on clients when you configure google dns on each client |
| 16:23.14 | kittonian | correct |
| 16:23.19 | nvz | my first question would be, does the router itself have dns through the isp? |
| 16:23.29 | nvz | can it resolve addresses? |
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| 16:23.38 | kittonian | that's not the issue |
| 16:23.45 | nvz | it /is/ |
| 16:23.48 | kittonian | no |
| 16:24.25 | kittonian | i need to somehow route 10.0.0.4 dns requests to the same default gw as the rest of the box |
| 16:24.37 | kittonian | this is all a route issue |
| 16:24.59 | greycat | kittonian: Start at the beginning. You're logged in directly on the box where bind is running. You test with "dig @127.0.0.1 A www.debian.org". Does it work? |
| 16:25.16 | kittonian | yes it does |
| 16:25.22 | kittonian | and hi greycat. it's been a while |
| 16:25.34 | kittonian | i can ping google.com, etc. |
| 16:25.38 | kittonian | everything works on the box directly |
| 16:25.45 | greycat | OK, good. Now, from the SAME box, figure out what its local IP address is (from ip a, or whatever), and try dig @local.ip A www.debian.org |
| 16:26.16 | greycat | In my case it's 192.168.2.3 so I test with dig @192.168.2.3 A www.debian.org |
| 16:26.20 | kittonian | dig: couldn't get address for 'local.ip': not found |
| 16:26.25 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 16:26.30 | kittonian | oh, sorry |
| 16:26.38 | kittonian | didn't have much sleep last night, lol |
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| 16:27.56 | kittonian | i get a response, after it hangs for a few, on both the eth0 (10.0.0.4) and eth0:1 (10.0.0.252) ip addresses |
| 16:28.31 | greycat | So "dig @10.0.0.4 A www.debian.org" worked, but with a delay? |
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| 16:28.35 | kittonian | originally, the other box running pfsense had an ip of 10.0.0.252 so I config'd an eth0:1 alias with the same ip so I didn't have to change every device on the LAN |
| 16:28.55 | kittonian | yes, there was a bit of a delay, but both ips worked with the dig command |
| 16:29.32 | greycat | I don't have any clue what would cause a delay in that situation. Is BIND trying to reverse-resolve your LAN IP address and failing, maybe? I don't even know why it would try. |
| 16:30.32 | kittonian | maybe, i have a feeling it has to do with the change in route, the new ip alias, and the iptables entries I had to put in. plus I had to enable packet forwarding |
| 16:30.56 | kittonian | this was originally nothing more than a dumb box running bind and the unifi controller |
| 16:31.12 | kittonian | now i'm asking it to be a network router of sorts and things got a bit screwy it seems |
| 16:31.32 | kittonian | the iptables entries I added were: |
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| 16:31.53 | kittonian | iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 16:31.57 | greycat | Can you move the DNS service to a *different* box? One that's not running 7 gajillion other confusing things that just keep appearing ni the question out of nowhere? |
| 16:32.05 | kittonian | iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 16:32.11 | kittonian | those were the two I put in |
| 16:32.26 | kittonian | i don't have another box or I would have reconfig'd it to run pfsense |
| 16:32.56 | kittonian | it's not running tons of other things. it's only running 2 things. bind and the unifi controller |
| 16:33.16 | greycat | *and* iptables! which just *appeared* in the question, BOMF! |
| 16:33.26 | kittonian | well, now it's running iptables |
| 16:33.40 | kittonian | i was talking about before I config'd it to act as a router |
| 16:33.49 | greycat | For your zero other boxes. |
| 16:34.01 | kittonian | ? |
| 16:34.09 | greycat | 12:32 kittonian> i don't have another box |
| 16:34.19 | kittonian | right, i don't have another spare computer to use right now |
| 16:34.28 | greycat | And yet you need this one to be a router, in addition to being a DNS server, in addition to being whatever the hell those other things are. |
| 16:34.39 | kittonian | it's working right now |
| 16:34.47 | kittonian | i'm using it as we speak to type this message |
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| 16:34.59 | kittonian | well, i'm using my desktop going through that new "router" |
| 16:35.06 | greycat | So there *are* at least two boxes. |
| 16:35.15 | kittonian | there are tons of computers on this lan |
| 16:35.19 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 16:35.24 | kittonian | but none available to be reconfig'd |
| 16:35.30 | kittonian | they are all Apple desktops |
| 16:35.36 | kittonian | ios devices, etc. |
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| 16:36.11 | kittonian | all i want to know is how to change the routes or iptables to make this work without needing to add a secondary dns server to each LAN device |
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| 16:36.19 | kittonian | otherwise, everything works fine |
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| 16:39.25 | kittonian | never mind. i fixed it |
| 16:39.51 | kittonian | the answer was that in the named.conf file, my forwarding was set to 10.0.0.252 and I needed to change that to 8.8.8.8 |
| 16:39.54 | kittonian | now it works perfectly |
| 16:41.14 | kittonian | my second question was how do you handle the default gw when using a cable modem where the ip changes here and there |
| 16:41.32 | kittonian | right now I have it set to the ip address (i.e. route add default gw IP) |
| 16:41.44 | kittonian | but if that IP changes, I would have to manually change the route |
| 16:42.01 | kittonian | is there a way to tell it to use eth1 as the default gw instead of manually entering the ip address? |
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| 17:06.04 | oxek | which package in debian provides the old school 'rsh' programme? |
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| 17:07.13 | nevivurn | hm, let me try this |
| 17:07.16 | nevivurn | ,file /usr/bin/rsh |
| 17:07.21 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:07.29 | shtrb | Should I be able to build via make-kpkg and deliver a singed kernel ? |
| 17:07.32 | greycat | ,file usr/bin/rsh |
| 17:07.37 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:08.07 | nevivurn | hm, rsh-redone-client says it provides 'rsh', possibly by update-alternatives? |
| 17:08.55 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/rsh-redone-client/filelist |
| 17:08.59 | greycat | Looks likely. |
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| 17:20.57 | shtrb | how do I force mmcli /modem to "think" that there is a sim card in the modem (it's physically in but mmcli report missing) |
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| 17:22.40 | diogenes_ | sney, nmcli knows better, maybe bad contact pins. |
| 17:23.16 | diogenes_ | sorry shtrb |
| 17:24.01 | shtrb | diogenes_, I know the sim is properly identified and finished authntication against the net (there is a led for it) it's just the mmcli who claim otherwise |
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| 17:24.35 | shtrb | just for context "HuaweiAltModeGlobal=1" for a Huawei LTE modem |
| 17:25.33 | nvidia-woes | Hiya folks. Anyone familiar with installing NVIDIA drivers on a Debian 9 Stretch server? I've tried numerous methods and all of them fail and only partially install the GPU drivers. |
| 17:26.02 | greycat | .oO(if it's a server why do you want nvidia drivers) |
| 17:26.23 | nvidia-woes | It's a VM instance on Google Compute Engine with 32 CPU, 1 GPU. |
| 17:26.36 | nvidia-woes | The GPU isn't useable without the proper drivers :( |
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| 17:28.03 | shtrb | diogenes_, maybe you will have an idea , I just need that Huawei modem to allow NetworkManager full control and be able to send SMS (if you have a different idea it would be better) |
| 17:28.26 | greycat | I need some popcorn or something while I wait for someone who can decipher what the hell is going on there. |
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| 17:28.47 | shtrb | greycat, for me ? |
| 17:29.08 | sney | nvidia-woes: is the gpu actually visible to the vm? can you see it in lspci output? vms do not have direct hardware access by default. |
| 17:29.11 | greycat | Oh, I have no hope in hell of understanding the "modem" question. I'm referring to the puddle I stepped in. |
| 17:30.19 | shtrb | Long live nouveau , but I guess he need to us the GPU for something (cuda like probably ) |
| 17:30.36 | greycat | I'm *imagining* that they are not actually going to hook a monitor up to this remote virtual "google" thing, so they must be planning to do some fancy bitcoin mining type shit. |
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| 17:30.48 | sney | yes it's clearly some cuda/opencl type thing |
| 17:30.53 | greycat | "clearly" |
| 17:30.55 | greycat | as mud |
| 17:31.09 | sney | as in, that's what "compute" refers to in the real world. don't be dense. |
| 17:31.27 | shtrb | no boinc for nvidia ? |
| 17:32.22 | greycat | Notice how quiet they got. No lspci output, no confirmation or denial of the bitcoin mining.... |
| 17:33.00 | shtrb | Is bitcoin mining a bad thing ? (sorry I have too lame hardware for minning ) |
| 17:33.00 | greycat | I'm still wondering how they plan to answer sney's question. Direct bitcoin mining type access to a video card from a *VPS*?! |
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| 17:33.41 | sney | if the vm is sold as having x cpu cores and y gpu devices, then it's probably supposed to work, but needs a checkbox ticked somewhere for pci passthrough etc |
| 17:34.22 | sney | the "g" in gpu is a misnomer these days. there are a lot more practical uses for a massively parallel computation devices than max triangles in muh vidya |
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| 17:35.46 | sney | and if they're not completely helpless, then "you need to make sure the vm can see the gpu" may be all the help they needed. |
| 17:36.39 | nvidia-woes | Sorry yeah it's for CUDA computing tasks. Machine learning stuff... |
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| 17:39.02 | nvidia-woes | To check if the VM can see the GPU, the command is 'nvidia-smi'. But this returns 'Please install the NVIDIA drivers and try again'. |
| 17:39.22 | greycat | the first command you should be using is "lspci -nn" |
| 17:41.13 | nvidia-woes | I'll try that in a sec thanks. |
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| 18:46.50 | Asharas | Hi everyone! I'm trying to run a self-delete firstboot script to remove a default user. Script is launched with root crontab @reboot, properly deletes itself but does not remove the user (no output at all for deluser or userdel cmds). My guess is that @reboot cron job run at a runlevel where managing other users isn't possible, is that correct? Also I'm testing with systemd oneshot type right now but it seems a bit convoluted |
| 18:46.50 | Asharas | for such simple and ephemeral task. Any idea to share? Thanks in advance! |
| 18:51.08 | greycat | As far as I'm aware, the only thing you need to remove a local user is for the root file system to be mounted read-write, which should definitely happen before cron jobs fire. |
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| 18:52.11 | greycat | And if the script removed itself, you know it ran (unless something *else* removed it), and in either case, that proves the file system(s0 were writable. |
| 18:52.32 | Asharas | makes sense but then I don't understand why the command doesn't run. I'm spinning up a VM to run it at different runlevels and test that. |
| 18:53.08 | Asharas | and it's not something else, script isn't removed if I comment the 'rm $0' line |
| 18:53.15 | greycat | It's a shell script, right? Turn on +x inside it, and redirect stderr to a log file (set +x; exec 2>>/var/tmp/somelog) |
| 18:53.48 | zerocool | most people have the reverse problem.. so makes it hard to google, how do i take a multi-line string and print to one string including the `\n` character |
| 18:53.59 | zerocool | bash |
| 18:54.12 | Asharas | alredy done that, redirected all input to syslog (deluser foo >> /var/log/syslog) |
| 18:54.15 | greycat | you want to convert newlines to \n? |
| 18:54.32 | zerocool | greycat: i guess, essentially |
| 18:54.47 | greycat | string=${string//$'\n'/\\n} |
| 18:55.09 | greycat | but storing multi-line strings in variables is weird to start with, and converting newlines to \n is even weirder... |
| 18:55.12 | greycat | !xy |
| 18:55.13 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 18:55.19 | greycat | Are you *really* trying to generate JSON or something? |
| 18:55.23 | zerocool | greycat: thank you my frield |
| 18:55.26 | zerocool | friend |
| 18:56.08 | annadane | frield! |
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| 19:12.57 | Rusty_Almighty | Who do I shame for not including lsblk into the busybox implementation of the debian based installer? |
| 19:13.31 | Rusty_Almighty | And how do I correct this travesty? |
| 19:17.55 | annadane | submit a bug report? |
| 19:18.14 | annadane | also what is "debian based" |
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| 19:18.31 | annadane | if it's debian, sure, submit a bug report. if it's a distribution based on debian then ask them |
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| 19:20.51 | Rusty_Almighty | looks like there is a sub IRC #debian-boot |
| 19:21.11 | laidback_01 | dang. I have a virtual that will drift time ... about a minute every 24 hours. I have to reboot it daily to keep it in sync. virtual is Debian running on FreeBSD bhyve. I put in the systemd.network NTP=, and they sync at boot now, but is there a way to keep the clock synced the way that ntp-client used to pre-systemd? |
| 19:21.48 | petn-randall | Rusty_Almighty: Your best bet is to report wishlist bug if you want it to change. |
| 19:21.56 | greycat | Rusty_Almighty: on the other network, yes |
| 19:21.57 | Rusty_Almighty | ok. |
| 19:22.37 | petn-randall | Rusty_Almighty: Out of curiosity, which distro are you running? |
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| 19:29.18 | Rusty_Almighty | Ubuntu, however it was built with the legacy installer which is equivalent to Debian's. I've also checked the debian install which also has the same issue. |
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| 19:31.18 | Rusty_Almighty | So, I'm not quite sure where to write a bug so that it gets attention. |
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| 19:33.04 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 19:33.46 | greycat | The place you talk about Ubuntu's installer is #ubuntu. The place you report bugs in Ubuntu's installer is wherever the hell you report Ubuntu bugs. Guess what? WE DO NOT KNOW where that is! |
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| 19:34.09 | flayer | but why not, i thought you were a bunch of geeks who know everything about computers |
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| 19:34.20 | flayer | how do i make the text bold in microsoft office? |
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| 19:34.46 | greycat | ... |
| 19:34.54 | flayer | ha ha |
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| 19:35.15 | annadane | very carefully |
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| 19:36.02 | Rusty_Almighty | Ok. So when I say.. I VERIFIED THE SAME BUG EXISTS IN THE DEBIAN INSTALLER.. That doesn't mean anything. |
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| 19:37.35 | Rusty_Almighty | Just because it was the Ubuntu legacy installer that lead me down this rabbit hole to begin with doesn't give you license to be a dick about it. |
| 19:37.45 | annadane | Rusty_Almighty, i suppose i might try filing a bug against the debian busybox package and detail in the report that it applies to ubuntu as well |
| 19:37.50 | annadane | and then see what they say |
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| 19:38.42 | annadane | debian upstreams their changes, afaik |
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| 19:41.18 | annadane | i don't know whether that will make a change that gets into debian stable or not, but you can try |
| 19:41.24 | annadane | and at least it might get fixed for bullseye |
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| 19:41.59 | annadane | if a bug report is misassigned or incorrect then they'll fix it themselves |
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| 19:44.54 | annadane | and ubuntu takes their stuff from bullseye/sid anyway so it should get fixed there too |
| 19:45.05 | annadane | sorry, testing/sid |
| 19:45.12 | Rusty_Almighty | Ok. I'll file the bug there. Thank you anndane. |
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| 19:45.42 | sney | iirc there's a reportbug flag for installer related issues, so if you file it against busybox and select that flag it'll go to the right people |
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| 19:51.42 | annadane | i agree busybox probably should have lsblk |
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| 19:53.46 | Rusty_Almighty | Especially when you are running a script which chooses your disk for install based on the manufacturer and model. |
| 19:54.22 | Rusty_Almighty | Currently, no means exists for retrieving make and model of drives for the installer. |
| 19:54.36 | sney | doesn't it have fdisk? fdisk -l displays those things |
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| 19:55.20 | sney | anyway, include your complaints in the bug report, not here |
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| 19:55.28 | Rusty_Almighty | fdisk not included either. |
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| 19:57.38 | annadane | still, a bug report is a nice way of telling users of the bts "hey, just so you know this topic has been raised before" |
| 19:57.45 | annadane | even if the bug report itself is dismissed as superfluous |
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| 19:59.40 | sney | I think they try not to bloat the installer environment as much as possible but something like lsblk has obvious benefits at a cost of not much (ram)disk space |
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| 20:02.25 | Rusty_Almighty | I think 40 KiB of bloat so that users can much more easily and dependably understand their disks which are imperative and mission critical for install sounds reasonable, but we can let the package maintainers decide that. |
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| 20:04.32 | graphicsv | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6yJnKIYZ/ |
| 20:04.36 | graphicsv | I have this problem on Debian, which is, some time after starting the computer, ssh-agent simply stops working properly. I've added my SSH keys (with `ssh-add`) but it starts asking for SSH key password again. |
| 20:04.54 | graphicsv | Please see above snippet. It seems like a bug? |
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| 20:05.48 | sney | graphicsv: anything in journalctl about ssh-agent crashing? |
| 20:06.21 | graphicsv | After systemd, I no longer know how to check logs. One moment |
| 20:06.30 | petn-randall | graphicsv: What sney said. It looks like the PID was 1501 before, it then crashed, and is now 1535. |
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| 20:06.40 | petn-randall | graphicsv: Logs are at the same place as before systemd. |
| 20:06.58 | sney | there are a lot of good systemd basics on this page https://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
| 20:06.58 | petn-randall | (though journalctl also works) |
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| 20:07.21 | graphicsv | https://termbin.com/k0ex |
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| 20:14.43 | graphicsv | petn-randall: How can I check why the thing crashed? It's the only thing that helps me not having to keep typing ssh passwords. It's so annoying |
| 20:15.42 | greycat | First thing you do is read the logs. If it's not there, second thing you do is try to find a way to make the daemon more verbose, so there's more info in the logs next time it happens. |
| 20:16.02 | greycat | Third thing you do is throw the daemon out and use a different one. |
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| 20:16.55 | greycat | If you can determine the *time* it died (which is usually the time the second instance was born, or a tiny fraction of a second earlier), you might look for *other* things that happened at that time, in other logs. Like, "Oh, I ran out of memory and the kernel killed some things at random." |
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| 20:20.04 | graphicsv | I have earlyoom enabled. But not sure if it's related. |
| 20:20.07 | graphicsv | Alright, will check. Thanks |
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| 21:03.32 | dadinn | hi all |
| 21:04.52 | annadane | hi dadinn |
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| 21:08.21 | dadinn | I have a specific problem with apt pinning. These are my preferences: https://termbin.com/6t8p |
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| 21:09.06 | annadane | from what i understand backports shouldn't be 1000 but i don't really know |
| 21:09.26 | dadinn | annadane: The issue is that when I explicitly try to install linux-image-amd64 it works fine and the backports version is going to be installed. |
| 21:10.28 | dadinn | annadane: but when I am trying to install zfs-dkms, then linux-headers from the buster release (4.19.*) would be choosen as dependency... even though the pinning says I want the version from backports |
| 21:10.57 | nvz | backports should by default be 100, and the debian mirrors 500 |
| 21:11.14 | dadinn | annadane: so it seems that the pinning is ignored for transitive (i.e. automatic) installs |
| 21:12.18 | dadinn | nvz: I thought 1000 means: "causes a version to be installed even if it does not come from the target release, unless the installed version is more recent." |
| 21:13.11 | nvz | there is no need to /pin/ to install a kernel and stuff from backports |
| 21:13.24 | nvz | you just use apt -t install then once its installed it will continue to update |
| 21:13.42 | nvz | doesnt matter what you install, its not going to be overridden by an OLDER version |
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| 21:14.03 | nvz | apt -t buster-backports install that is |
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| 21:15.35 | dadinn | nvz: indeed the -t flag will select the backports version of linux-headers, but I am writing scripts, and figuring out what release to use depending on whether i am using stretch, buster, or bullseye would be a PITA... that's why i am trying to do the pinnning |
| 21:17.00 | nvz | ah, that makes sense.. you want to do something complicated and rather than /figure it out/ you want to just break things :P |
| 21:17.01 | dadinn | nvz: priority 1000 doesn't override with older version, it would have to be 1000+ to achieve that... but that is not my aim, I just want the backports kernel image/headers installed instead of the buster version |
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| 21:17.25 | nvz | and its really not that difficult.. its rather trivial actually |
| 21:17.38 | nvz | you could test /etc/debian_version you could use lsb_release -a, etc.. |
| 21:17.59 | nvz | I could probably sit here if I cared enough and list a hundred other ways you could do it |
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| 21:20.04 | nvz | I'm bein a bit contrary here but thats because I've done backports many times and never had issues.. cause I do it the way it says to do it on backports |
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| 21:20.23 | nvz | and what you're doing is saying this is /hard/ so I'm gonna be different then ask people to figure out why MY way don't work |
| 21:21.28 | dadinn | nvz: I missed that documentation, can you please refer me to it? |
| 21:21.35 | nvz | what you're doing doesn't even sound that complicated to me really |
| 21:21.41 | nvz | !backports |
| 21:21.41 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 21:22.23 | nvz | the /way/ you're doing it is what sounds complicated |
| 21:23.04 | nvz | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 21:23.12 | dadinn | nvz: you mean apt pinning is something which is expected to be complicated to the point that the Debian community recommends against not using it? |
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| 21:23.32 | dadinn | * double negation |
| 21:24.10 | nvz | we generally recommend two things, use debian.. thats why we make it.. to be stable.. free. etc.. and don't break it.. |
| 21:24.15 | nvz | !don't break debian |
| 21:24.15 | dpkg | dont break debian is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 21:24.30 | greycat | If you're considering using pinning, you're almost certainly doing something that will blow up in your face. |
| 21:24.58 | greycat | Usually it's because you're trying to install "just this one" package from (testing/unstable) on (stable/oldstable/etc.). |
| 21:25.07 | greycat | And then "just one more", and.... |
| 21:25.14 | nvz | even when you choose for whatever reason to use backports, pinning, 3rd party packages, etc.. we recommend you undo all that for dist-upgrades to new releases. |
| 21:26.02 | dadinn | greycat: fair enough, actually that is what i am doing... just this one more, etc. |
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| 21:28.45 | nvz | If just using backports as described by the instructions page works in a test case, and you need to figure out how to make that work in ANY case, thats where you ask for help.. and someone can help you script something to do that |
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| 21:36.03 | dadinn | nvz: I have actually done everything you mentioned, checking for the version of Debian whether I need to configure backports and use a -t flag... but then later on I installed linux-images-amd, without the -t flag (which at the point I don't know I need the backports kernel with ZFS, or just a normal buster kernel) |
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| 21:37.27 | dadinn | nvz: I thought pinning could solve this problem, if I install ZFS, then I pin the kernel to backports, else not... kinda like a global variable/setting |
| 21:38.18 | dadinn | nvz: if I understand there is no better way to get around this than to dublicate the logic testing for Debian version and ZFS |
| 21:38.33 | dadinn | * if I understand correctly |
| 21:40.24 | nvz | I can't understand that AT ALL much less correctly :P |
| 21:43.03 | dadinn | nvz: no worries, I will try to do this without pinning. Thanks |
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| 21:59.13 | lenswipe | Hey folks. I'm connecting to a VPN using network manager. There seems to be an issue with the routes that are being configured when I join the VPN - specifically, it tries to reach hosts on the VPN through my router (which obviously knows nothing about anything on the VPN) |
| 21:59.39 | lenswipe | Now, I could manually update my routing table - but my last debian install - debian 9 this wasn't required and things just worked when i connected |
| 21:59.42 | lenswipe | has something changed |
| 22:05.02 | quadrathoch2 | lenswipe if I remember correctly 9 -> 10 was the switch to systemd-resolved, which had dns leak issues. but I am not sure if they were ever fixed |
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| 22:20.50 | lenswipe | Ah. |
| 22:21.05 | lenswipe | So...am I going to have to add manual routes to my VPN config? |
| 22:21.56 | quadrathoch2 | lenswipe I am not sure, sorry. I guess so |
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| 22:59.35 | lenswipe | quadrathoch2, thanks anyway |
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| 23:06.57 | tmroland | how the fuck am i getting dir not empty error as root trying to delete a folder with random shit on a random drive? |
| 23:07.00 | tmroland | rm -rf dir |
| 23:07.02 | tmroland | error: dir not empty |
| 23:07.09 | abrotman | it's nto empty |
| 23:07.14 | tmroland | who cares |
| 23:07.18 | tmroland | you can delete anything with rm rf |
| 23:07.24 | abrotman | Okay, good luck |
| 23:07.36 | tmroland | dont need good luck here, need someone that knows whats going on |
| 23:07.43 | tmroland | this is a bug |
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| 23:08.54 | abrotman | tmroland: a) is there actually anything in it? b) have you considered FS corruption? |
| 23:09.03 | tmroland | i think the 2nd |
| 23:09.05 | tmroland | migh tbe true |
| 23:09.07 | tmroland | because |
| 23:09.15 | tmroland | yday i saw 8 bad sectors in gnome disks app on that filesystem |
| 23:09.20 | tmroland | that im trying to work with now |
| 23:09.27 | tmroland | plus gnome files is stuck on deleting that folder too when attempted |
| 23:09.34 | tmroland | it says deleting.. and stays there forever |
| 23:09.51 | tmroland | and no programs have anyting open in that dir |
| 23:10.04 | tmroland | so i guess i might as well take that drive and bin it |
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| 23:10.33 | tmroland | its just a steam folder |
| 23:10.48 | mutante | boot to single user mode and try to delete it from there? |
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| 23:11.05 | tmroland | but why |
| 23:11.07 | tmroland | cant i delete it normally |
| 23:11.15 | tmroland | what would single user do differently |
| 23:11.21 | tmroland | except stop all services and apps |
| 23:11.24 | tmroland | that are not essential |
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| 23:11.51 | tmroland | like X , gnome |
| 23:11.53 | tmroland | and all other shit |
| 23:12.00 | abrotman | try to fsck the filesystem, then try again |
| 23:12.23 | tmroland | this drive has been pissing me off for 2 days now |
| 23:12.27 | tmroland | its a 1tb firecuda |
| 23:12.32 | abrotman | fsck the filesystem, try again |
| 23:12.34 | tmroland | i only bought it winter last year |
| 23:12.37 | tmroland | ill try |
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| 23:33.53 | b1ack0p | hi |
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| 23:35.51 | mutante | !ask |
| 23:35.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:37.07 | b1ack0p | what if i am just greeting? |
| 23:40.26 | mutante | !ping is https://err.no/personal/blog/tech/2006-10-10-12-05_contentless_pings/ |
| 23:40.27 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over is https://err.no/personal/blog/tech/2006-10-10-12-05_contentless_pings/'s head |
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| 23:46.27 | annadane | you can't replace that factoid and that's also not how it's done |
| 23:47.36 | abrotman | I mean, you can replace it .. but that's really the wrong syntax |
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| 23:48.22 | edgars | yo |
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| 23:48.42 | edgars | preseed - i cant use |
| 23:48.52 | edgars | preseed - i cant use _ in username? |
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