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| 00:25.04 | sponix | somiaj: I should cry... When I setup a passkey for my Folding@Home it reset my personal points stats :( |
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| 00:36.52 | usney | Hi! |
| 00:37.17 | usney | how do I remove all of debian desktop without removing anything I need for my current desktop which is lxde? |
| 00:37.36 | usney | debian desktop is in tasksel for gnome 3 |
| 00:38.20 | sney | a clumsy way to do it would be to install aptitude, then 'aptitude remove ~ignome' |
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| 00:39.30 | sney | you might end up with a few libs left over but that should get most of it, and disk space is cheap, anyway |
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| 00:39.57 | sney | there isn't a simple way to remove large groups of packages because there are a lot of dependency inter-relations |
| 00:39.57 | sponix | sney: on that note, why not just leave it in place lol |
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| 00:40.36 | sney | shrug |
| 00:40.39 | sney | I would |
| 00:41.13 | sponix | sney: my OS is setting on a 960GB ssd though... So, I'm like "whatever" |
| 00:41.44 | sney | ok |
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| 01:30.54 | karlpinc | What about deselecting it in tasksel? If it was selected in tasksel in the first place then all the dependencies should be "auto" and would go away the next time aptitude was run. |
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| 01:31.24 | sney | only if none of them were recommends or suggests for anything else that was installed later |
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| 01:32.23 | karlpinc | True. It's always the recommends and suggests that are the issue. Too bad apt does not track those like it does requires. |
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| 01:35.13 | karlpinc | (Recommends and suggests for other packages installed later should likely remain installed.) |
| 01:36.32 | karlpinc | It's the recommends+suggests for the desktop that you'd want to go away once you uninstall the desktop, assuming they are not "wanted" elsewhere. |
| 01:37.18 | sney | right and that's exactly the issue. a lot of stuff will go away with autoremove after you take away the main metapackage |
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| 01:37.52 | sney | but who's to say you don't want this one part (and dependencies) of the gnome task because it's suggested by some other thing you installed |
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| 01:54.28 | f-a | hello, on my new (well, refurbished) laptop I have some buttons (one depicting an envelope, one a mail etc.). I suppose they were used to launch programs on Windows. How can I use them myself (e.g. the key one I would like to map to "launch screensaver")? |
| 01:54.51 | somiaj | f-a: what desktop/window manager are you using? |
| 01:55.50 | f-a | no DE somiaj , just X and xmonad |
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| 01:56.47 | somiaj | I don't know xmonad, but you will have to look up how to do keybindings in xmonad, then you have to get the key name (xev can help with this), and create a binding for that key |
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| 01:58.40 | f-a | oh fantastic, i thought xev was for keyboard only |
| 01:58.41 | somiaj | f-a: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xmonad#Targeting_unbound_keys: -- that seems to have some instructions |
| 01:58.41 | f-a | thanks |
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| 01:59.06 | somiaj | there are also some standalone apps you can define keybindings with, but usually you can do this with the wm |
| 01:59.15 | somiaj | (I don't know any of the names of the apps off the top of my head) |
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| 02:14.03 | vvor | setxkbmap |
| 02:15.36 | f-a | that would do too, thanks |
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| 02:18.00 | somiaj | setxkbmap I don't think will help bind actions to the keys. |
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| 02:48.41 | cnxjk | Why leave |
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| 02:56.30 | wsky | https://vlepy.github.io/2020/04/12/orb.html |
| 02:57.32 | petn-randall | wsky: Was that meant for -offtopic? |
| 02:57.43 | wsky | yep |
| 02:57.46 | wsky | sry |
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| 03:17.11 | sponix | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 03:17.12 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; buster-backports/non-free: 440.59-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 440.64-2; sid/non-free: 440.64-2 |
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| 04:02.40 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3ec1a4d6/ I'm having some issues with setting up Guile+Geiser in Emacs. I found that the issue occurs when one has both guile-2.0 and guile-2.2 installed. |
| 04:03.14 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | This occurs on evaluating the buffer. |
| 04:03.53 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | It seems to be bytecode incompatibility between the guile versions. |
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| 04:11.25 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Confirming the issue only happens with Guile 2.2 |
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| 04:18.46 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | It also only happens when using it from Geiser. Loading the same code into the REPL works just fine |
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| 04:21.34 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | The non-mangled code is: (use-modules (ice-9 getopt-long)) (define (main args) 1) |
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| 04:42.00 | vagg | Need help with gnome terminal |
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| 04:50.28 | annadane_ | vagg, what is the question specifically? |
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| 04:54.57 | vagg | when i right clivk "open terminal" gnome-terminal appearance and the prompt is disappear |
| 04:56.03 | vagg | the same if i run it from command line |
| 04:58.50 | mi11k1 | vagg, whats up? |
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| 04:59.49 | mi11k1 | vagg, try terminator |
| 05:01.13 | jm_ | you mean it does not work if you start gnome-terminal from another terminal or what? |
| 05:01.36 | mi11k1 | lol |
| 05:02.07 | mi11k1 | i think he means open a terminal from rightclick menu |
| 05:02.12 | vagg | yes it is not working if i start it from another terminal |
| 05:02.25 | vagg | there is only a black screen |
| 05:02.32 | vagg | no prompt |
| 05:02.34 | mi11k1 | black screen? |
| 05:02.46 | mi11k1 | do updates and restart, i dunno |
| 05:02.48 | vagg | No propmt |
| 05:02.57 | mi11k1 | what desktop are you using? |
| 05:03.13 | mi11k1 | if you rightclick the black screen what do you get? |
| 05:03.21 | jm_ | and you don't see any messages in that other terminal? |
| 05:03.26 | mi11k1 | probably the envirnment is screwed up |
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| 05:04.45 | mi11k1 | vagg, run gnome-terminal from xterm or something and see what is sais |
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| 05:05.01 | mi11k1 | or just use terminator |
| 05:05.03 | vagg | THe fanny think is that i had fix it in the past, but yesterday i had to revert to older installation, and i can not remember iwhat i did back then |
| 05:05.14 | mi11k1 | oh boy |
| 05:05.31 | mi11k1 | older installation? |
| 05:05.34 | mi11k1 | of what? |
| 05:05.46 | vagg | timeshift |
| 05:05.52 | mi11k1 | oh boy |
| 05:06.18 | mi11k1 | in your home folder theres a hidden called .config |
| 05:06.32 | mi11k1 | in there, theres proably a config for that app |
| 05:06.53 | mi11k1 | you can probably just delete it and wghen u reopen it it will just be default |
| 05:06.56 | vagg | i just purge and install it, but the same |
| 05:07.06 | mi11k1 | yah, cause theres a config in yer home |
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| 05:07.54 | mi11k1 | i dont have it installed, and im not installing to figure it out |
| 05:08.03 | mi11k1 | type man gnome-terminal |
| 05:08.14 | mi11k1 | it will probably tell you which file |
| 05:08.46 | vagg | i believe there is something to do with pantheon |
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| 05:09.44 | mi11k1 | vagg, do you have this folder ~/.gconf? |
| 05:10.06 | mi11k1 | vagg, ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/profiles ? |
| 05:11.13 | vagg | no |
| 05:11.37 | mi11k1 | its just a setting for your user. when i was figuring stuff out i make another user and see if the problem is there too. |
| 05:11.53 | vagg | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.04 | mi11k1 | ok |
| 05:12.21 | mi11k1 | ??? / |
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| 05:12.33 | mi11k1 | ~/ u mean? |
| 05:12.36 | vagg | there is an xml there |
| 05:12.53 | mi11k1 | just rename it for backup |
| 05:12.59 | mi11k1 | .xml.bak |
| 05:13.05 | mi11k1 | then restart the app |
| 05:13.32 | vagg | no, i believe it has something to do with pantheon, but i can not remember what i have done |
| 05:13.32 | mi11k1 | if it works, compare the new file with .bak and theres the culprit |
| 05:13.56 | mi11k1 | well, goodluck |
| 05:14.07 | mi11k1 | just install terminator |
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| 05:14.41 | vagg | the problem is with filemanager (nemo) the ingigrated terminal |
| 05:14.55 | mi11k1 | i dont mess with that |
| 05:15.51 | mi11k1 | i think i tried Pantheon before, i got rid of it pretty quickly |
| 05:15.53 | vagg | if i change the terminal from gnome to somethiong else |
| 05:16.02 | vagg | for nemo... |
| 05:16.33 | mi11k1 | I dont have that environment, youll have to google |
| 05:17.00 | mi11k1 | never heard of nemo, i like pcmanfm |
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| 05:17.49 | mi11k1 | why did you restore a snapshot? |
| 05:18.04 | mi11k1 | screwed it up pretty good or what? |
| 05:18.20 | vagg | because i was massing up with vulkan |
| 05:18.37 | vagg | ;D |
| 05:18.41 | mi11k1 | i make snapshots just to see how long it takes, never tried to restore one. |
| 05:19.26 | mi11k1 | vulkan, holy, strike 3 yer out |
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| 05:20.15 | mi11k1 | oh, its for making games? |
| 05:20.24 | vagg | yes |
| 05:20.40 | mi11k1 | use that video card for something useful, like cracking wpa or something |
| 05:20.52 | mi11k1 | just kidding |
| 05:21.52 | vagg | so you like to penetrate? |
| 05:22.03 | mi11k1 | depends |
| 05:22.07 | vagg | do you use openwrt? |
| 05:22.12 | mi11k1 | yes |
| 05:22.21 | Wulf | Good Morning. When loading the wireguard module I get a kernel message "wireguard: Copyright (C) 2015-2019 Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>. All Rights Reserved."; I don't think I've ever seen such a message before. Is that acceptable in Linux+Debian? |
| 05:22.25 | mi11k1 | im actually reying to figure something out now |
| 05:22.36 | mi11k1 | do u use it? |
| 05:22.45 | vagg | years now |
| 05:22.54 | mi11k1 | i have a few repeaters from DJI phantom2 |
| 05:23.04 | mi11k1 | they are openwrt, i can ssh into them |
| 05:23.44 | mi11k1 | but, I want to use them for something else. I used to like tomato, but right now I just have a few merlins |
| 05:24.44 | mi11k1 | i just tried opnsense for a bit. I always just come back to debian though. |
| 05:25.33 | mi11k1 | i hate messing with iptables and stuff, but it works the best. debian is the jack of everything for me. |
| 05:26.49 | vagg | do you know on ipv6? |
| 05:27.00 | mi11k1 | ya, i disable it |
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| 05:27.10 | mi11k1 | it messing with my squid though |
| 05:27.31 | vagg | with what router? |
| 05:27.43 | mi11k1 | i cant be bothered with 6, i dont understand 4 |
| 05:27.59 | mi11k1 | squid is just on a desktop. |
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| 05:28.41 | mi11k1 | i have pretty unreliable wifi which is my internet source. |
| 05:28.49 | mi11k1 | vagg, you know biquads? |
| 05:29.33 | vagg | no |
| 05:29.47 | mi11k1 | theyre are the best wifi antenna. |
| 05:30.23 | mi11k1 | pretty easy to make. I hack apart anything and add a biquad, if its an internal antenna |
| 05:31.09 | mi11k1 | i have a ubiquiti aircube, its built on openwrt |
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| 06:13.12 | somiaj | Wulf: Copyrights are okay provided the actual license meets the DFSG, https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/w/wireguard/wireguard_1.0.20200319-1_copyright -- it appears wireguard is a combination of gpl/mit, so it should be fine. |
| 06:13.46 | somiaj | Wulf: there is a debian-legal mailing list for such questions as well if you are concerned, but I don't think it is needed in this case. |
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| 06:56.26 | autousre | Hello! I installed debian for my mom so i dont need to fix anything- even though i already had to fix a broken dm. In lightdm im trying to set it up as username already filled out ( wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Enable_user_list ), but i dont have the conf.d dir - how do i fix it? |
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| 06:57.31 | jm_ | you want to enable auto-login? |
| 06:57.56 | autousre | No. i want to the user field to be filled out |
| 06:58.13 | jm_ | just create the dir yourself |
| 06:58.28 | autousre | File too, then write it in? |
| 06:58.41 | jm_ | yup |
| 06:58.47 | autousre | Kk, thx! |
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| 06:59.24 | autousre | Tbh if im not the only one who had to startx debian needs to fix this |
| 06:59.24 | jm_ | no worries |
| 06:59.49 | autousre | I did firmware netinstall plasma, so nothing exotic |
| 06:59.49 | jm_ | who had to what? |
| 07:00.04 | annadane | yeah lightdm doesn't really work with starting platma |
| 07:00.05 | annadane | plasma |
| 07:00.21 | autousre | I had to start plasma to see if its working at all, it started in terminal mode |
| 07:00.25 | autousre | startx |
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| 07:00.29 | annadane | i dunno if it's serious enough to file a bug report for in stable but feel free to, and they might fix it for a point release |
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| 07:00.54 | autousre | And had to install lightdm instead of sddm cause the former wouldnt work |
| 07:00.58 | jm_ | right, there have been several users who had this issue with KDE in past few weeks, I think bug report already exists |
| 07:01.07 | autousre | Ye, ill do that |
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| 07:03.42 | annadane | actually no, i'd probably err towards just about everything being serious enough to file in stable |
| 07:03.59 | annadane | screw it, just file bugs (unless a report already exists) if you feel it's worth it |
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| 07:04.50 | annadane | point releases exist for a reason |
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| 07:05.16 | autousre | If a pretty standard and kinda most modern and pretty de wont work out of the box shit is not user-friendly at all, ye |
| 07:05.24 | annadane | yeah, also that |
| 07:05.48 | annadane | i don't really like plasma but to each their own |
| 07:06.01 | annadane | "dm won't start de" is pretty serious though |
| 07:06.22 | annadane | AFAIR this was also broken in debian 9 |
| 07:06.44 | annadane | go us! |
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| 07:07.18 | jefferyd | Good morning |
| 07:07.29 | autousre | Ye, but plasma is one of the closest to windows feel and can be even setup to almost look like it 1:1, why i installed it |
| 07:07.44 | autousre | Haha |
| 07:07.44 | miskatonic | I don't like any desktop environment whatsoever |
| 07:07.46 | jm_ | it's not DM does not start DE, it's DM does not start ;) |
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| 07:09.37 | miskatonic | try another dm instead, such as xdm or gdm? |
| 07:09.39 | autousre | True |
| 07:09.49 | autousre | As said, i already installed lightdm |
| 07:09.59 | autousre | But i shouldnt need to from a basic netinstall |
| 07:10.14 | autousre | Cause shit is not user friendly af |
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| 07:11.12 | autousre | Aight, ill test out the greeter conf file, rebooting |
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| 07:14.39 | jefferyd | I installed debian to a USB-Stick and mistakenly also installed my seperate /tmp and /home directories to the USB-Stick instead of to my HDD-Drive. Is it and how, possible to delete these directories, and create them on the HDD with their proper rights, on the HDD and create symbolic links to / ? |
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| 07:18.09 | ratrace | jefferyd: yes. I'd recommend tmpfs for /tmp, and you can log in as root, mount /mnt/home from HDD, rsync -va --delete /home/ /mnt/home/ , make a fstab entry for HDD's /home mountpoint and reboot |
| 07:19.20 | ratrace | before the mount you'll need the HDD's /home, which if you don't have, you can prepare. partitioning with parted for example, mkfs.ext4 (for example) to create ext4 on the partition. |
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| 07:19.50 | jefferyd | ratrace, great, thanks alot |
| 07:20.07 | autousre | Ye, worked. thx! |
| 07:20.20 | autousre | Will file report l8er |
| 07:20.39 | ratrace | jefferyd: I'm sad. Alot didn't help you, I did. :) http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 07:21.05 | annadane | hi sad, i'm anna |
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| 07:21.42 | ratrace | Hi anna. :( |
| 07:23.39 | jm_ | autousre: I think it already exists, but you might still want to add your comments there |
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| 07:24.50 | autousre | Oh, link? |
| 07:25.00 | autousre | Or how do i find it |
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| 07:25.25 | awal1 | autousre, i suggest you 'WDM'. light and solid. that is whaat i use when i use a DM |
| 07:26.04 | autousre | I already set up lightdm and my mom wont have problems with it, but thanks |
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| 07:26.22 | awal1 | lighter than 'lightdm', more user friendly and advanced than xdm |
| 07:28.08 | awal1 | btw, i don't understand why people have problems and bugs when installing debian "defaults" |
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| 07:28.49 | awal1 | i use debian maybe since 6 or 7 years now and i never had problems, never had broken pkgs. |
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| 07:29.33 | awal1 | rarely it happens only whith unstable (sid) branch |
| 07:29.52 | awal1 | and with sid, it is like expected |
| 07:30.09 | autousre | I use manjaro since 7 and even such a young project it had a working dm out of the box |
| 07:30.38 | awal1 | i 'm talking about the whole system |
| 07:30.56 | awal1 | it always worken like a charm |
| 07:31.01 | awal1 | worked |
| 07:31.07 | jm_ | autousre: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=932354 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=952395 sound very similar |
| 07:31.08 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/932354 in sddm (open): «sddm: SDDM session manager does not start»; severity: important; opened: 2019-07-18; last modified: 2019-07-18. |
| 07:31.16 | autousre | Same |
| 07:31.23 | autousre | Kk, thanks! |
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| 07:31.43 | awal1 | you guys maybe do weird stuff... |
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| 07:33.36 | autousre | K, ill go make my mom acquainted with hopefully no more to maintain debian, thx for the tips! |
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| 07:55.46 | Lope | hey guys, I've done a new debootstrap install. It booted up fine etc using onboard graphics. I installed kde-plasma-desktop. that started up fine using onboard. |
| 07:56.55 | Lope | then I installed nvidia-driver, and inserted a GTX1060 6GB. Then booted up. I get a terminal on the onboard graphics but sddm fails to start. I don't get any decent error message in the syslog. it just says that sddm fails to start. |
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| 07:57.07 | Lope | nvidia-smi shows the GPU is running and driver installed fine. |
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| 07:58.31 | ratrace | Lope: that's not one of those transformer bots, whatsitcalled... optimus, right? with nvidia in, it only wants to use nvidia? |
| 07:58.44 | BenNZ | Lope: did you blacklist the nouveau driver ? |
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| 07:59.34 | Lope | BenNZ, no, I didn't I assumed that the nvidia-driver package would do it for me? |
| 07:59.58 | ratrace | it does |
| 08:00.03 | Lope | ratrace, no, this is a desktop PC :) I've got an old laptop with optimus, so I'm familiar with what you're referring to. |
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| 08:00.09 | BenNZ | Lope: its supposed to , but doesnt always |
| 08:00.23 | Lope | Oh I remember what to do here. The display actually goes blank once it goes past grub. |
| 08:00.40 | ratrace | it does always. the pckage installs a blacklist entry in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 08:00.56 | BenNZ | Lope: ctrl atl f1 , to get to a login , once logged in lsmod to check that you are using the nvidia driver |
| 08:01.23 | BenNZ | ratrace: its supposed to , but doesnt always |
| 08:01.27 | ratrace | its not non-deterministic, statistical behavior. the package installs the file. |
| 08:01.28 | Lope | I think I need to set that text only grub option. I seem to recall having this issue before. |
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| 08:02.00 | BenNZ | ratrace: i agee it writes that , but nouveau still loads |
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| 08:02.51 | Lope | ratrace, BenNZ: this is weird. okay the problem is that initramfs is asking for my luks password on the onboard display, even when no monitor is connected to it. |
| 08:03.17 | Lope | so the nvidia connected screen is going black because the other screen is waiting for my password. |
| 08:03.42 | ratrace | BenNZ: in which case, there's nothing else you can do if the (only) way to blacklist it doesn't blacklist it. I suppose you could add a kernel command line, but it's the same mechanism, isn't it? |
| 08:04.20 | ratrace | Lope: "other" screen? |
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| 08:06.16 | ratrace | BenNZ: also, I can't seem to find any relevant bug report for that behavior. The only reports I can find are either for optimus or some other blacklisting mechanism (not using /etc/modprobe.d/<file> with "blacklist nouveau") |
| 08:06.22 | BenNZ | ratrace: the only "fix" that seems to work , and im not sure why , is to blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf then rebuild the initramfs |
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| 08:07.24 | BenNZ | ratrace: i know ive never bothered to write a bug report for something that has an easy 'fix' like this |
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| 08:07.44 | ratrace | BenNZ: but if it really were a problem, others would have it and someone would report it. |
| 08:08.22 | BenNZ | ratrace: oh youre one of those people that need a bug report to believe that people have had problems with this ... good luck |
| 08:08.34 | ratrace | from my personal experience of using nvidia with proprietary driver since... forver... I never encountered that issue on any of the machines under my control. |
| 08:08.59 | ratrace | BenNZ: no. I believe people have problems that are specific to their setup and not a general issue applicable to others. |
| 08:09.41 | BenNZ | ratrace: ok , thats fine |
| 08:09.48 | BenNZ | ratrace: believe what you want |
| 08:10.11 | ratrace | because... if blacklisting nouveau as it is now in Debian doesn't work in 100% of cases, it's worthy of finding out why and filing a report so it can be fixed |
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| 08:11.40 | ratrace | BenNZ: but I just agreed with you. I believe that you might have that issue even if others don't. |
| 08:12.17 | BenNZ | ratrace: other are having that issue tho |
| 08:12.30 | BenNZ | ratrace: not just on debian either |
| 08:12.50 | BenNZ | ratrace: a quick google search will show that |
| 08:12.51 | ratrace | Quite possible, but I can't find any bug report on that. it'd be great if it were reported. |
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| 08:13.46 | BenNZ | ratrace: not all issues are reported tho , especially when they can google the 'fix' |
| 08:15.24 | ratrace | can you please link me one of those which confirm that putting the blacklist entry in blacklist.conf works, but putting it in its own file doesn't? |
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| 08:16.59 | BenNZ | ratrace: i dont have handy , but that step is to make sure its actually blacklisted , i belive that important part is to rebuild the initramfs |
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| 08:17.42 | ratrace | BenNZ: yes of course, but that's also what the package does. |
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| 08:19.05 | miskatonic | so plasma does not work with nouveau? |
| 08:19.06 | ratrace | BenNZ: "a quick google search will show that" ... oh I thought you meant this for real, but if you don't have any links handy, then I suppose a quick search won't show that. |
| 08:19.20 | BenNZ | ratrace: ok i dont keep links handy |
| 08:19.37 | ratrace | right, and such links are hard to find because quick google search doesn't find them. |
| 08:19.54 | BenNZ | ratrace: sorry you wanted me to use google for you? |
| 08:19.55 | Lope | ratrace, BenNZ: I can confirm that neuveau is blacklisted in my motherboard has onboard graphics. For whatever weird reason, it only asks for the luks password on the onboard display. Initramfs is not asking for the password on |
| 08:20.15 | Lope | sorry, I pressed enter on the wrong PC, I had not finished typing that message. |
| 08:20.17 | ratrace | miskatonic: in general it does. it's possible that the GPU in question is not well supported by nouveau and then whatever opengl thingy plasma attepts is not supported, will then fail |
| 08:20.49 | ratrace | BenNZ: oh, no, thanks. I'm just pointing out that you're trying to convince me that the issue is easy to find with a quick google search, but you can't find a single one yourself. |
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| 08:21.06 | ratrace | ie. you're making stuff up just to fuel your argument. |
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| 08:21.35 | BenNZ | ratrace: ok , cool beans |
| 08:21.43 | BenNZ | ratrace: you can believe that |
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| 08:22.43 | BenNZ | ratrace: maybe tho just maybe im not going to flood #debian with problems with other distros |
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| 08:22.49 | ratrace | Lope: so your system is trying to use both GPUs? |
| 08:22.56 | Lope | ratrace, BenNZ: Thank you. Firstly, I confirmed that nouveau IS blacklisted on my system. I changed the /etc/defaults/grub params to text, now I can see the kernel start to boot on the nvidia display after grub hands over. But when initramfs asks for my luks password, the nvidia display goes black and only the onboard display asks for my luks password. |
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| 08:23.18 | ratrace | BenNZ: I asked a single "quick google easy" link. You have none. Okay, that's fine. Let's move on. |
| 08:23.24 | Lope | ratrace, yes, what complicates matters is that I actually want it to use both displays. I don't mind typing in my luks password on the onboard display. |
| 08:23.36 | Lope | ratrace, the problem I'm having is sddm won't start. |
| 08:23.51 | Lope | ratrace, BenNZ: sddm won't start and there's no real error message. |
| 08:24.25 | ratrace | Lope: are you sure there isn't? Checked dmesg, journal, Xorg.0.log... dunno if ssdm has its own log too? |
| 08:24.32 | ratrace | *sddm |
| 08:24.50 | Lope | ratrace, what command can I use to check the journal please :) |
| 08:26.05 | ratrace | Lope: journalctl -b but I wouldn't know what to grep for specifically. You might narrow with -p err or even -p warning but errors not showing there doesn't mean they aren't logged, it only means they aren't logged at severity "err" or "emerg" |
| 08:26.15 | BenNZ | ratrace: does ctrl alt f1 take you to a login screen ? |
| 08:26.20 | BenNZ | oops i meant Lope |
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| 08:27.33 | leftover | I get fatal error: GLFW\glfw3.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:27.46 | leftover | where does debian install GLFW? |
| 08:27.46 | ratrace | leftover: context? |
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| 08:29.49 | BenNZ | leftover: you probably need to install libglfw3-dev |
| 08:30.04 | Lope | ratrace, BenNZ: after startup finished blah nice nice. in syslog, the next line says: sddm[12395]: Failed to read display number from pipe |
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| 08:30.45 | Lope | That's the only error it spits out, then the next line is: sddm[12395]: Display server failed to start. Exiting |
| 08:30.52 | leftover | BenNZ, libglfw3-dev is already the newest version (3.2.1-1). |
| 08:31.04 | ratrace | Lope: can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 08:33.17 | Lope | ratrace, BenNZ: https://hastebin.com/efodulicon.cpp |
| 08:33.26 | Lope | that's the Xorg log |
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| 08:33.51 | BenNZ | leftover: and libglfw3 ? |
| 08:34.16 | leftover | libglfw3 is already the newest version (3.2.1-1). |
| 08:34.19 | ratrace | Lope: wild guess here.... your GPU is not supported by the nvidia-driver |
| 08:34.36 | Lope | ratrace, BenNZ: why is the log talking about the nouveau driver when that driver is blacklisted |
| 08:34.36 | ratrace | Lope: reckon it's maybe one of the older GPUs that need the legacy driver? |
| 08:34.47 | Lope | ratrace, surely GTX1060 is supported? |
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| 08:35.26 | Lope | ratrace, nvidia-smi works though |
| 08:35.53 | ratrace | Lope: and the package you istalled was nvidia-driver-418.74-1? |
| 08:36.17 | ratrace | Lope: oh one more thing, is xorg runnin as root? |
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| 08:36.20 | Lope | it's showing that the driver is installed fine, let me check |
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| 08:36.26 | jm_ | that hastebin paste lists two devices |
| 08:36.46 | BenNZ | Lope: (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 08:36.57 | Lope | ratrace, you know it's interesting that you asked... I've got no idea. but when I first installed kde-plasma-desktop there was NO USER ACCOUNT present, only root. |
| 08:36.59 | BenNZ | Lope: could be part of the problem |
| 08:37.09 | Lope | So is it possible that my Xorg is messed up because of that? |
| 08:37.21 | Lope | I only created a user with UID 1000 after installing kde-plasma-desktop |
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| 08:37.32 | BenNZ | Lope: whats the output of lsmod |
| 08:38.34 | Lope | BenNZ, ratrace: https://hastebin.com/lanevaluvi.rb |
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| 08:38.52 | Lope | that's the apt packages, nvidia-smi driver status, modules loaded etc. |
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| 08:39.59 | Lope | ratrace, BenNZ: looks like my driver is 100% fine. For what it's worth, I've tested this GPU in windows. It runs the heaven benchmark and overwatch fine. |
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| 08:41.12 | ratrace | Lope: is there a ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.... something something logfile? |
| 08:41.31 | Lope | ratrace, for UID 1000? |
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| 08:42.07 | ratrace | I suppose but now that you mention it... sddm not appearing at all would be at the root level... |
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| 08:42.33 | Lope | there's no .local for neither root nor the UID 1000 user. |
| 08:43.15 | ratrace | Lope: then I don't get it... is ther anything for lsmod | grep -i nouv ? |
| 08:43.44 | jm_ | sddm not starting again? :) |
| 08:44.08 | Lope | ratrace, BenNZ: as a hail mary I'm purging sddm and kde-plasma-desktop then reinstalling those packages |
| 08:44.32 | ratrace | Lope: before you do, is there anythng for the above grep? |
| 08:44.36 | ratrace | jm_: ya |
| 08:44.56 | Lope | ah, already done. I had installed the kde-plasma-desktop before the nvidia driver, so maybe it didn't install well :/ |
| 08:45.17 | ratrace | doesn't matter, if you didn't reboot yet, that grep is still valid |
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| 08:46.04 | ratrace | Also the order of installing here is irrelevant. |
| 08:46.10 | jm_ | ratrace: have they tried with lightdm? although this looks like optimus setup to me |
| 08:46.17 | BenNZ | Lope: out of curiosity how did you install the driver ? also just to make sure the kernel headers are installed |
| 08:46.24 | ratrace | Under normal circumstances you can switch between nouveau and nvidia by (re)installing each other, irrelevant of when sddm was installed |
| 08:46.41 | ratrace | jm_: first thing I asked, they said it wasn't optimus |
| 08:47.28 | ratrace | Lope: or what I'm trying to say is that sddm installation is agnostic to the gpu driver installed at that moment, it simply doesn't care. |
| 08:47.43 | Lope | ratrace, BenNZ: ah, tried the hail-mary reinstall but it changed absolutely nothing. |
| 08:47.53 | jm_ | ratrace: note lines 57 and 58 in the first paste, that looks like optimus |
| 08:47.59 | Lope | BTW this may be of interest before it gives the pipe error, in the syslog: Running: /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{8c0d3c97-ca74-4759-95a3-eb57c8e9aafb} -background none -noreset -displayfd 17 -seat seat0 vt7 |
| 08:48.01 | ratrace | Lope: yeah that was likely to happen |
| 08:48.28 | ratrace | jm_: if you say so, I wouldn't know how to recognize it from those |
| 08:48.30 | Lope | `lsmod | grep -i nouv` gives nothing |
| 08:48.40 | jm_ | ratrace: it's what I learned by hanging in #debian :) |
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| 08:49.13 | Lope | ratrace> Under normal circumstances you can switch between nouveau and nvidia by (re)installing each other, irrelevant of when sddm was installed << ok |
| 08:49.22 | ratrace | Lope: another wild guess here... xorg aint' even starting and that Xorg.0.log is from way before when you still had nouveau. Can you confirm with modification timestamps? |
| 08:49.57 | Lope | BenNZ, I installed the driver by doing `apt install nvidia-cuda-toolkit` which requires nvidia-driver, and installs it. |
| 08:50.18 | ratrace | jm_: experience :) |
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| 08:50.42 | BenNZ | Lope: wasnt expecting it too , as it looks like the nvidia module doesnt exist |
| 08:50.48 | Lope | ratrace, I'll kill all the logs and reboot. |
| 08:50.59 | BenNZ | Lope: Lope: (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 08:51.27 | BenNZ | Lope: is the module in /usr/lib/xorg/modules |
| 08:51.38 | Lope | BenNZ, will check |
| 08:52.13 | ratrace | Lope: I'd really love to see the entire output of journalctl -b | grep -iv sudo | grep -iv cron |
| 08:52.18 | jm_ | Lope: have ypu tried using lightdm? |
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| 08:53.50 | BenNZ | Lope: oops in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ should be libglxserver_nvidia , or something like that |
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| 08:56.15 | Lope | BenNZ, ratrace: okay after deleting/truncating all the logs and rebooting, my xorg log looks like this: https://hastebin.com/ucoqidurox.cpp |
| 08:57.00 | BenNZ | Lope: ok still getting (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 08:57.11 | ratrace | Lope: are you sure that's the same computer with lsmod showing nvidia driver loaded and no nouveau ? |
| 08:57.12 | Lope | jm_, I can try lightdm |
| 08:57.50 | Lope | ratrace, absolutely. |
| 08:57.56 | Lope | double checked now. |
| 08:58.12 | ratrace | then I'm still convinced that your GPU is not supported by that driver. |
| 08:58.39 | Rico | hello ! I have a strange problem with static routes after upgrade from deb9 to deb 10 : I have to do a "ip addr flush dev eth1" after the host has completed boot, then ifup eth1 to bring ip address and routes up |
| 08:58.54 | Lope | ratrace, lol dude, how's that possible? it's a GTX1060, it's literally 1 gen back from the latest? and look here: it's showing that the driver is working: https://hastebin.com/lanevaluvi.rb |
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| 08:59.07 | jm_ | I have GTX1060 with nvidia driver 418.74 |
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| 08:59.17 | Lope | jm_, thanks bud. |
| 08:59.18 | ratrace | Lope: yes. it's too NEW for the driver |
| 08:59.36 | ratrace | but if jm_ has the same gpu then that theory is shot down |
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| 09:00.13 | Lope | ratrace, well https://hastebin.com/ucoqidurox.cpp shows that the driver is happy |
| 09:00.43 | ratrace | Lope: but the xorg module is having trouble interacting with it |
| 09:00.55 | jm_ | Lope: but your first paste shows two GPU-s, one is 8086:... so intel GPU, the other Nvidia - this smells like optimus |
| 09:01.00 | ratrace | note there are always two drivers at play here, a kernel module and a xorg module |
| 09:01.07 | BenNZ | Lope: i cant see anywhere in your log about even loading nvidia |
| 09:01.08 | Lope | ratrace, okay, I'm going to try jm's suggestion of lightdm |
| 09:01.38 | Lope | hmm let me see if I've got nvidia packages relating to xorg. |
| 09:02.19 | Rico | heres an extract of my /etc/network/interfaces : https://paste.swordarmor.fr/nR8X |
| 09:02.36 | BenNZ | Lope: i would of expected to see something like Matched nvidia as autoconfigured driver 0 |
| 09:02.39 | Lope | BenNZ, ratrace: I don't have this installed: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
| 09:02.41 | ratrace | Lope: you should have if that's buster and you installed nvidia-driver meta which pulls in xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 09:02.48 | Lope | surely I need it lol? |
| 09:03.10 | BenNZ | Lope: yes |
| 09:03.16 | Lope | okay it's installing. |
| 09:03.23 | Lope | will restart sddm afterwards. |
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| 09:03.29 | ratrace | Lope: well that explains it. by installing cuda oonly, it didn't pull in the whole driver, and thus no xorg components |
| 09:03.31 | jm_ | how did you install nvidia driver then? |
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| 09:04.03 | ratrace | but I could swear you said first that you installed "nvidia-driver" ... though later you said you installed the cuda thing.... |
| 09:04.34 | Lope | jm_, I installed the driver by doing `apt install nvidia-cuda-toolkit` which requires nvidia-driver, and installs it. |
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| 09:04.52 | yonaikerlol | Hi guys |
| 09:04.57 | Lope | holy shit it's working lollllll |
| 09:05.09 | Lope | brilliant, plasma has come up on the nvidia display. |
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| 09:05.22 | ratrace | Lope: "which requires nvidia-driver" apparently it doesn't install the "nvidia-driver" metapackage, that would pull in the xorg module |
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| 09:05.58 | ratrace | Lope: Suggests: nvidia-driver for nvidia-cuda-toolkit |
| 09:06.01 | ratrace | it never installed it. |
| 09:06.09 | Lope | ratrace, well, this isn't ultra conclusive, but I did `apt install nvidia-cuda-toolkit | grep driver` and I saw it listed nvidia-driver |
| 09:06.25 | Lope | just to check that it would install the driver. |
| 09:06.30 | ratrace | apt install ... | grep is totally wrong thing to do |
| 09:06.30 | apt | ratrace: okay |
| 09:06.38 | Lope | haha ok :) |
| 09:06.51 | Lope | are you sure that the nvidia-driver installs xserver-xorg-video-nvidia ? |
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| 09:06.55 | ratrace | you use dpkg -l to see installed packages after the fact. you use apt-cache (r)depends <package> to list dependencies |
| 09:07.02 | ratrace | Lope: yes. |
| 09:07.21 | ratrace | it's a hard dependency for the metapackage |
| 09:07.38 | ratrace | see here as well: https://packages.debian.org/buster/nvidia-driver |
| 09:08.08 | Lope | okay thanks ratrace: will use apt-cache depends in future. I've never used that. |
| 09:08.22 | jm_ | Lope: right, next time follow the wiki to install it https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ |
| 09:09.01 | ratrace | This is why we should treat suportees as total noobs and always ask for FULL system status, logs and output and never rely on them thinking they know what they're doing or doing what they're saying :) |
| 09:09.10 | Lope | jm_, thanks, will do. sorry for the drama haha |
| 09:09.19 | jm_ | no big deal, good that it works |
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| 09:10.36 | Lope | it's interesting that initramfs stops showing on my nvidia display during the boot process. |
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| 09:11.00 | Lope | once it gets near the time to ask for the luks password, the nvidia display goes blank, then the onboard display asks for the password. |
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| 09:11.23 | Lope | after entering it, the onboard display powers off and then plasma shows on the nvidia display. |
| 09:11.47 | Lope | I've had this working in the past. Do you guys know how I can get plasma to use my onboard graphics and nvidia at the same time? |
| 09:12.00 | Lope | so one monitor on onboard, one monitor on nvidia? |
| 09:12.38 | Lope | I didn't need to do any custom xorg configs etc. |
| 09:12.41 | Lope | it "just worked" |
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| 09:13.20 | ratrace | that _really_ sounds like optimus there |
| 09:13.43 | Lope | ratrace, this is a desktop motherboard bro. |
| 09:14.09 | Lope | I've had both the onboard GPU and nvidia working in linux before, without any custom xorg config files. |
| 09:14.20 | Lope | onboard + nvidia also works in windows BTW. |
| 09:14.20 | neoclust | hi |
| 09:14.31 | ratrace | Lope: "bro".... https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/282272/why-do-i-have-optimus-on-a-desktop-pc/ |
| 09:14.36 | Lope | so there's no hardware limitation |
| 09:14.53 | neoclust | new packaging question, i have added Replace/breaks but "old package" is not removed during apt update |
| 09:14.59 | neoclust | is there something else to do ? |
| 09:16.10 | jm_ | i've never heard of desktop motherboard with optimus, which MB is it? |
| 09:16.12 | Lope | ratrace, `dpkg -l | grep optimus` gives nothing |
| 09:16.18 | BenNZ | Lope: which one does grub load on ? |
| 09:16.55 | BenNZ | Lope: or whichever loads up saying press whatever to enter bios |
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| 09:17.00 | ratrace | Lope: what's the mobo model? could be one of those "special" kinds that try to invent new things for the consumer market... |
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| 09:18.38 | jm_ | neoclust: you mean upgrade, not update, right? upgrade should not remove packages so ..., dist-upgrade probably would |
| 09:18.44 | Lope | in the bios there's a selector for the main GPU, it can be auto/iGPU/PCIE. I've got it set to auto, and since there's a PCIE GPU that means it will use the PCIE gpu as the main GPU. When I first boot, grub displays on the nvidia display. Then when the kernel starts, for a few seconds I see the kernel text flying by on the nvidia screen. But then after about 2 seconds, the nvidia screen goes black and the initramfs only displays on my onboard display, then I |
| 09:18.44 | Lope | have to type in the luks password which is only shown on the onboard display. when sddm starts, the onboard display powers off and plasma shows on the nvidia display. |
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| 09:19.19 | Lope | ratrace, ASUS Z87M-PLUS |
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| 09:21.29 | Lope | jm_, ratrace: pretty sure there's no optimus on this motherboard. |
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| 09:22.47 | jm_ | I've certainly never had it with asus desktop motherboards, including the current one |
| 09:23.03 | Lope | I'm going to try set the onboard as the main GPU and see what happens, just for shits. |
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| 09:24.35 | seni | I use byobu but the f2 does not work for opening a window, how can that be fixed? |
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| 09:25.58 | BenNZ | Lope: out of curiosity what does your /usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup look like |
| 09:27.12 | jm_ | seni: does <esc><2> work? |
| 09:27.40 | seni | you mean esc + 2 ? does nothing |
| 09:27.51 | jm_ | no, press esc, release, press 2, release |
| 09:28.25 | seni | nothing, im using screen in the background btw |
| 09:28.35 | seni | oh wait |
| 09:29.00 | seni | expects input with message "(arg: 2)" |
| 09:29.11 | Lope | + |
| 09:29.40 | jm_ | so it went to your shell, not byobu |
| 09:30.00 | jm_ | assuming the shell is running inside that |
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| 09:30.50 | Lope | BenNZ, it's empty |
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| 09:31.52 | BenNZ | Lope: ok , rules out that thought |
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| 09:39.29 | L0aD1nG | hello there |
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| 09:39.45 | L0aD1nG | i am upgrading from stretch to buster |
| 09:40.26 | L0aD1nG | and i get a question if MiniSSDP should run automatically, any clue what this is? |
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| 09:41.59 | jm_ | just accept the default answer if you don't know/care |
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| 09:51.39 | ratrace | !bug #932138 |
| 09:51.40 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/932138 in minissdpd (open): «minissdpd fails to upgrade from Stretch to Buster»; severity: important; opened: 2019-07-15; last modified: 2020-01-07. |
| 09:51.54 | ratrace | it's a reocurring question every now and then |
| 09:52.05 | ratrace | L0aD1nG: ^^ |
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| 09:56.11 | L0aD1nG | i selected no |
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| 10:24.25 | L0aD1nG | okay so i am upgrading from stretch to buster and after time of no errors in upgrade, i got this error messages |
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| 10:24.28 | L0aD1nG | https://paste.debian.net/1139287/ |
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| 10:27.06 | L0aD1nG | any idea what could this is? yesterday i removed this ppa cause it was from ubuntu |
| 10:27.09 | L0aD1nG | https://paste.debian.net/1139288/ |
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| 10:29.02 | L0aD1nG | i used apt --fix-broken install maybe this fixes the issue |
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| 10:31.32 | diogenes_ | any ops? |
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| 10:32.35 | L0aD1nG | i had this message too |
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| 10:37.56 | mitrax | hello, shouldn't settings defined in /etc/sysctl.conf under net.ipv-.conf.all.* apply to all network interfaces? i'm confused about the way settings defined in .default or .all are inherited |
| 10:38.09 | mitrax | err net.ipv6.conf.all.* |
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| 11:15.05 | Rico | hello, can anybody explain me why I have this behavior ? https://paste.swordarmor.fr/f7Di |
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| 11:18.58 | mutante | Rico: you can try to add "-v" to ifup/ifdown to get more details |
| 11:19.20 | Rico | mutante: ok, let me try |
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| 11:20.26 | mutante | Rico: i think the replacement for ifdown would be like "ip link set dev eth1 down" |
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| 11:21.01 | Rico | mutante: maybe, but ifup shoudl work, isn't it , |
| 11:21.02 | Rico | ? |
| 11:21.12 | Rico | ifdown -v does not giev more debug |
| 11:21.23 | mutante | Rico: ifup/ifdown expect stuff to be in /etc/network/interfaces afaict, but if you use ip that is not necessarily the in there |
| 11:21.35 | Rico | still have : ifdown: interface eth1 not configured |
| 11:21.41 | Rico | all my stuff is in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:21.41 | mutante | i am not sure if it "should work" tbh |
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| 11:22.28 | Debian | j'ai perdu mon mot de passe irc , comment le renouveler ? |
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| 11:22.59 | Rico | mutante: is there a workaround ? |
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| 11:23.50 | mutante | Rico: use only "ip" for everything? |
| 11:24.01 | mutante | Rico: maybe answer 1 on https://serverfault.com/questions/549129/ifdown-interface-not-configured-debian-6 explains some of it |
| 11:24.13 | trek00 | Guest76455: you can write /msg nickserv sendpass |
| 11:24.24 | mutante | "ifup and ifdown are fragile. They don't operate smoothly if they aren't the only configuration tools being used. They could get current interface status from the kernel instead of remembering what they last changed it to, but they don't." |
| 11:24.27 | Rico | mutante: what about this : # cat /run/network/ifstate |
| 11:24.27 | Rico | lo=lo |
| 11:24.27 | Rico | lo:1=lo:1 |
| 11:24.34 | Rico | no eth1 in here |
| 11:24.45 | mutante | Rico: ^ try to just replace ifup/ifdown with "ip link set" i think |
| 11:25.06 | mutante | see the comment above about ifup/ifdown being "fragile" |
| 11:25.07 | Rico | mutante: but my problem is that route is not bring up at boot |
| 11:25.13 | Rico | yes I saw that |
| 11:25.40 | Rico | do I really have to change the way debian brings up network interfaces at startup ? I hope no |
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| 11:25.52 | mutante | Rico: running things at startup seems to be a separate problem from what command to use?? |
| 11:26.12 | mutante | eh, what Debian version is it? it probably did change at some point |
| 11:26.16 | Rico | 10 |
| 11:26.19 | Rico | latest, up to date |
| 11:26.38 | Rico | moved from 9 to 10 yesterday |
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| 11:27.14 | trek00 | Rico: are you using tools that conflicts with ifupdown? (may be network-manager) |
| 11:27.28 | Rico | trek00: nope |
| 11:27.54 | Rico | just using networking.service |
| 11:28.04 | mutante | doesn't "ip" cound as "tool that conflicts with ifupdown" |
| 11:28.10 | mutante | count |
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| 11:29.20 | Rico | mutante: how do you add static routes at startup ? |
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| 11:30.38 | mutante | Rico: looking at your paste, i see an "ip route add" command and later i see you doing "ip r l" and it has the route that was added earlier. so isn't it working? |
| 11:30.57 | mutante | i mean the "adding route at startup" part |
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| 11:31.50 | Rico | mutante: my problem is at boot. the stuff in the pastebin is done after boot, just to show that my /etc/network/interfaces file works correctly after a "ip addr flush dev eth1" |
| 11:32.09 | Rico | my problem is that sttic routes in /etc/network/interfaces are not bringed up at boot. |
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| 11:34.24 | mutante | Rico: maybe paste /etc/network/interfaces? does it use the "route" command instead of "ip route"? quote from some stackexchange about the difference between 9 and 10 (as you just upgraded): "the net-tools package that includes the old ifconfig and route commands has been deprecated since Debian 9, and is no longer installed by default. So unless you have explicitly chosen to install net-tools, you should |
| 11:34.30 | mutante | use the newer ip route" |
| 11:34.39 | Rico | mutante: it is in my pastebin |
| 11:36.39 | mutante | Rico: ok, so it's using "up ip" as it should. i am still confused though because you have the route in /etc/network/interfaces and it exists and you don't seem to be adding it manually.. but you also say it doesn't get added at boot |
| 11:36.59 | Rico | i also have an error when "systemctl restart networking.service": ifup: failed to bring up eth1 |
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| 11:38.25 | Rico | and my /run/network/ifstate does not show eeth1 |
| 11:38.28 | mutante | Rico: i don't even have interfaces called eth0 and eth1 anymore on buster. they all have the long en<something> names now. could that be related |
| 11:38.53 | Rico | mutante: maybe... but it works fine with eth0 and eth2 on the same system |
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| 11:39.49 | L0aD1nG | I am experiencing a real problem here after upgrading from stretch to buster, terminal wont find basic commands like poweroff, reboot, dhclient etc. though i can use them from /sbin |
| 11:40.09 | joepublic | dpkg, su |
| 11:40.10 | dpkg | extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin (see <buster su>). It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su". |
| 11:40.13 | joepublic | L0aD1nG, ^^^ |
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| 11:40.31 | Rico | L0aD1nG: maybe path too |
| 11:40.49 | L0aD1nG | joepublic: you mean to gain root access? |
| 11:41.02 | joepublic | yes, to gain root access |
| 11:41.42 | L0aD1nG | i have root access still the problem remains |
| 11:41.59 | joepublic | okay. how did you gain root access? |
| 11:42.11 | L0aD1nG | with su |
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| 11:42.20 | joepublic | okay, that. won't. work. |
| 11:42.24 | joepublic | use `su -` |
| 11:42.53 | Rico | :) |
| 11:42.59 | L0aD1nG | ohh seems to work now |
| 11:43.05 | L0aD1nG | whats that change about? |
| 11:43.10 | Rico | path |
| 11:43.19 | joepublic | dpkg, buster su |
| 11:43.20 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 11:43.38 | salkin-mada | Hey Debian. Here comes a fzf bash script question from a beginner :) (hope its okay to post here with this subject - this channel is active) ***** when using fzf --preview i get the field index with {} no problem. But when i am binding an action to a key (ctrl-g) which executes a new fzf --preview, then using the {} gives me the input from the first invoked fzf not the new one. you have any insight? much appreciated. please see: |
| 11:43.38 | salkin-mada | https://0bin.net/paste/A+nbY65rtwYbXsbl#jSqEn7+Dyt4IMZMSeLiHCqvx-PbGzBaNMld0VEavyOD |
| 11:43.56 | mutante | Rico: one thing seems to be relatively sure. ifup/ifdown mixed with systemd is "weird" and people talk about using "only systemd" with systemd-networkd and removing the entire ifupdown and networking-service instead |
| 11:44.06 | mutante | Rico: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/4m3pir/what_is_the_correct_way_to_disable_ifup_and/ |
| 11:44.24 | L0aD1nG | guys thank you so much i thought that i corrupted the system somehow and need to reinstall.. |
| 11:44.27 | L0aD1nG | thanks a lot |
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| 11:51.29 | Rico | mutante: if I understand correctly, you can use systemd-networkd OK classic /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:56.43 | Debian_Alain | j'ai perdu mon mot de passe freenode (irc) et je crois que l'email enregistré n'est pas le bon |
| 11:57.06 | Debian_Alain | comment renouveler mon mot de passe ? |
| 11:57.36 | Debian_Alain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:58.01 | mutante | Rico: yea, but the part where you showed an error with ifdown as a result of a systemctl command sounds like it is a mix |
| 11:58.29 | glumie | Hi! There is any udeb public repo? |
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| 11:58.47 | glumie | http/s, not iso please |
| 11:58.59 | trek00 | Debian_Alain: je pense que vous ne peux renouveler le mot de passe si vous n'avez pas email |
| 11:59.23 | jm_ | !fr |
| 11:59.23 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. - debian-user-french@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:59.59 | trek00 | glumie: try with http://packages.debian.org |
| 12:00.18 | Rico | mutante: I think it's not |
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| 12:00.41 | Rico | and I think my problem was just a start order problem of interfaces |
| 12:00.51 | Rico | pre-up was needed |
| 12:00.51 | glumie | trek00: I want to sync it with aptly |
| 12:00.57 | trek00 | Rico: i think mutante is right, it seems systemd try to call ifup and ifup fails |
| 12:02.03 | trek00 | glumie: udeb packages are included in main repository |
| 12:02.19 | glumie | fine! |
| 12:03.01 | trek00 | Rico: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 12:03.21 | Rico | trek00: just a minute, I think I resolved my problem |
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| 12:05.53 | ice9 | when i add "Match Group..." to sshd_config for sftp, sshd fail to start and I"m not seeing any error, any idea? |
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| 12:07.50 | Rico | ice9: pastebin |
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| 12:08.10 | Rico | do you have "Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" line ? |
| 12:08.23 | trek00 | ice9: check for errors in the log files like /var/log/syslog |
| 12:08.48 | Rico | trek00, mutante : problem solved |
| 12:08.54 | ice9 | Rico, yes it's there, and there is nothing in syslog |
| 12:09.18 | mutante | Rico: try to locate the unit file for networking.service (/lib/systemd/system/networking.service). there must be ifup/ifdown inside that. i would try to replace it with ip |
| 12:09.20 | Rico | in eth1 declaration in /etc/network/interfaces, I add : pre-up /sbin/ifup lo:1 |
| 12:09.21 | mutante | Rico: ah, how ? |
| 12:09.39 | Rico | let me repastebin with modif : |
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| 12:10.07 | trek00 | mutante: you should never modify /lib/systemd files, there is /etc/systemd for that |
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| 12:11.14 | Rico | trek00 mutante: https://paste.swordarmor.fr/rfdt |
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| 12:14.51 | mutante | trek00: ok |
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| 12:16.33 | mutante | Rico: so you needed to add the "pre-up" command? eh.. ok. but if that is about the loopback interface how does it even affect eth1 |
| 12:16.34 | ice9 | Rico, https://bpaste.net/KI2Q |
| 12:16.48 | Rico | mutante: source address |
| 12:17.03 | Rico | source addr of route is lo:1 address |
| 12:17.26 | mutante | Rico: aha! |
| 12:17.57 | Rico | ice9: maybe you NEED chrootdirectory |
| 12:18.00 | mutante | and needing the pre-up command is really a difference between Debian 9 and 10? i'll try to remember that for next time |
| 12:18.11 | ice9 | Rico, it doesn't work with it too |
| 12:18.29 | Rico | mutante: maybe, I can't check it for now |
| 12:18.38 | Rico | but I'm correcting my other server too :) |
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| 12:21.26 | trek00 | Rico: it could be systemd brings up interfaces in parallel |
| 12:21.54 | Rico | trek : yes, maybe something like this |
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| 12:21.59 | trek00 | Rico: and allow-hotplug means that |
| 12:22.12 | krumelmonster | Hi, I have a directory tree on which I want to force permissions; Every file and directory shall always be 660. I guess I'll have to use bindfs *sigh* which doesn't support nofail so using fstab is not an option. I need the mounts to be available before certain services start so I thought about using a systemd unit with type=oneshot After=media-disk.mount Before=ssh.service. Or should I use a systemd-mount? This all seems to be pr |
| 12:22.12 | krumelmonster | ssy but bindfs appears to be the only way sind ext doesn't support umask⦠Any recommendations on what would be the most reliable way of doing this? |
| 12:22.59 | trek00 | Rico: try to modify this to auto |
| 12:23.13 | Rico | trek00: just to be sure : I have both :) |
| 12:23.41 | trek00 | Rico: you have auto for lo:1 but allow-hotplug to eth1 |
| 12:24.15 | trek00 | Rico: allow-hotplug is started by udev events, while auto is started from networking service |
| 12:24.58 | Rico | trek00: ok,I have to lern this for many many years... never took time to do :) |
| 12:25.06 | Rico | s/lern/learn/ |
| 12:25.14 | trek00 | krumelmonster: i guess you cant modify permissions on the filesystem? |
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| 12:29.03 | mutante | Rico: ok, thanks |
| 12:29.06 | trek00 | ice9: try to open a terminal and type: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 12:29.07 | krumelmonster | trek00: I can but users can too and they're not supposed to be |
| 12:29.19 | trek00 | ice9: then try to start openssh and see if there are error messages |
| 12:29.34 | ice9 | trek00, i i did that already but nothing there |
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| 12:31.07 | krumelmonster | trek00: Files copied over from other places seem to keep their permissions, irrelevant of target directory permissions or ACL default perms. |
| 12:31.08 | trek00 | krumelmonster: setting umask should do the trick, from the command line or pam configuration |
| 12:31.29 | krumelmonster | trek00: ext4 doesn't support umask. |
| 12:31.44 | trek00 | krumelmonster: not as an fstab parameter |
| 12:32.08 | trek00 | krumelmonster: how those files are copied? via ftp/ssh/shell commands? |
| 12:32.32 | krumelmonster | various ways but especially GUI applications that always seem to set permissions |
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| 12:33.47 | trek00 | krumelmonster: if you set umask 0002 on the command line, then start application and it should follow that permission (660 on files) |
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| 12:34.34 | trek00 | ice9: try sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -t |
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| 12:35.31 | trek00 | krumelmonster: however some applications does not follow umask settings |
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| 12:37.24 | ice9 | trek00, thats the issue "/etc/ssh/sshd_config line 51: Directive 'UsePAM' is not allowed within a Match block",, how do i close a Match block? |
| 12:38.05 | trek00 | ice9: only by starting a new match block, thus if usepam should be global, you should put it before the first match block |
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| 12:48.14 | ice9 | trek00, i had to end it using "Match all" and it works |
| 12:48.30 | ice9 | now when I try to login with sftp, it doesnt ask for password and just gives "Too many authentication failures" |
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| 12:49.17 | krumelmonster | trek00: Also, umask is for a shell environment, I want to force permission on a directory tree. |
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| 12:50.29 | trek00 | ice9: try put usepam on top of the file |
| 12:50.46 | trek00 | krumelmonster: sorry i don't know how to do that |
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| 12:51.14 | krumelmonster | Thanks anyways, I didn't know about umask before :) |
| 12:52.22 | trek00 | :) |
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| 12:52.58 | ice9 | trek00, still same issue |
| 12:54.34 | ice9 | PubkeyAuthentication overrides PasswordAuthentication? |
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| 13:02.31 | Antoine- | Hello, I have iptables set up to allow a few ports, then I have "-A INPUT -j DROP". I installed a docker container (with gitlab in it). I can reach gitlab on http://host_machine_IP:8080 whereas I never opened port 8080. How is that possible? My client and the host_machine are on the same LAN. |
| 13:03.09 | Wulf | Antoine-: That's FORWARD, not INPUT. |
| 13:03.49 | Wulf | Antoine-: or perhaps docker changed your iptables rules to allow that input |
| 13:04.06 | Wulf | Antoine-: Docker's networking concept is {may I swear here?} not good. |
| 13:04.19 | Antoine- | Wulf: `sudo iptables -S | grep 8080` is empty |
| 13:04.21 | Lope | ratrace, jm_: Whether I install 1 or 2 GPU's in my desktop motherboard I'm finding that Xorg is only displaying on the PRIMARY GPU. Which is either ONLY my onboard graphics or ONLY my GPU in slot 1. In the past I used to be able to use multiple GPU's in Debian KDE. And in windows I can both GPU and the onboard (3 GPU's) all at the same time. When I run xrandr or open the display utility it only shows the monitors on the primary GPU. But if I press Ctrl Alt F2 |
| 13:04.21 | Lope | then all the other screens display terminal and syslog etc. I wanted to try a custom Xorg config for curiosity sake. But when I run `Xorg -configure` it says "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices" https://hastebin.com/ihitodoyuh.cpp |
| 13:04.32 | Antoine- | I'll check the forward rules :) |
| 13:05.32 | Antoine- | Ok, my forward rules doesn't end with a "-j DROP". |
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| 13:06.13 | Wulf | Antoine-: I suggest you don't mix docker with your own firewall rules. |
| 13:06.39 | Wulf | Antoine-: Either let docker handle it (==> no firewall) or do everything yourself (docker --no-iptables or similar) |
| 13:06.55 | ice9 | i'm trying enable sftp but when the user login, it doesn't ask for password: https://bpaste.net/MCWA any idea? |
| 13:07.02 | Wulf | Antoine-: dockerd --iptables=false |
| 13:07.13 | Antoine- | Ok so I should change the container's config then |
| 13:07.20 | Wulf | ice9: what's happening instead? |
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| 13:10.57 | ice9 | Wulf, i get "Too many authentication failures for " |
| 13:11.07 | Wulf | Someone mentioned a "new queue" for debian backports. I assume this is related to buildd. Is that queue publically visible? I already had a look at incoming.debian.org. |
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| 13:16.41 | Wulf | ice9: Provide the output of "ssh -v" or "sftp -v" |
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| 13:18.31 | ice9 | Wulf, i think it's using pub key auth only (not password): debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password |
| 13:18.31 | ice9 | debug1: Next authentication method: publickey |
| 13:18.50 | mi11k1 | docker and networking makes me loco |
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| 13:19.24 | mi11k1 | throw mysql in there, and im having a bad day |
| 13:19.39 | jm_ | Lope: well yes, you really need optimus stuff to mix discrete and on-board GPU |
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| 13:31.08 | Wulf | ice9: Let me guess: You've got lots of ssh keys in your ssh agent. ssh tries several keys, then sshd closes the connection. |
| 13:31.24 | ice9 | Wulf, exactly, without asking for password |
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| 13:31.44 | Wulf | ice9: You'll have to disable keys on either server or client. Or better: Do use keys instead of passwords. |
| 13:32.22 | ladderff | anyone have any luck getting KDE Plasma/Wayland running on Buster? |
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| 13:32.47 | bryanpedini | ladderff, I do have KDE Plasma on Buster |
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| 13:33.22 | bryanpedini | I'm on X11 tho.. |
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| 13:33.26 | ladderff | yeah, me too |
| 13:33.42 | mutante | ice9: why care about sftp if scp already works out of the box? |
| 13:33.53 | bryanpedini | is Wayland a must for you? |
| 13:34.01 | ice9 | mutante, sftp is used by the end users! |
| 13:34.17 | mutante | ice9: would they even notice the difference? |
| 13:34.23 | ladderff | Well I am hoping that there will be smoother performance on Wayland |
| 13:34.35 | ladderff | it's hard to finger a consensus out there so I thought I would try it |
| 13:35.00 | ladderff | Latency on X11 is not great, windows take a long time to initialize, they lock up sometimes, etc |
| 13:35.12 | bryanpedini | ladderff, well, I can tell you based on my experience; *anything* under Linux with Nvidia cards is a pain you-know-where... |
| 13:35.17 | mutante | ice9: for example if the end-user is on Windows with WinSCP then it looks exactly like any ftp client / file explorer to me |
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| 13:35.37 | ladderff | bryanpedini yeah, I am running on an nvidia card with the binary driver |
| 13:35.52 | bryanpedini | me too, yet I have stutters and tearing... |
| 13:36.05 | bryanpedini | as I think everyone that has an Nvidia card... |
| 13:36.52 | ladderff | right |
| 13:37.11 | ladderff | if the proponents of Wayland are to be believed that sort of thing isn't going to get better under X11 |
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| 13:43.03 | Antoine- | Wulf: My problem is solved, thanks a lot :) |
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| 13:45.06 | Wulf | Antoine-: you're welcome |
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| 14:04.34 | wwilliam | How do I make my debian10 vm to use the vpn of the host? what are the network setting i cant get to the internet Im using wired connection and the laptop has a wireless connection also I do not know if the debian vm have detected or load the drivers even if I can use the wireless connection for the vm i will be happy as long as the box can get to the internet , any help please? |
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| 14:10.46 | zege | wwilliam: depends on the hypervisor |
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| 14:11.56 | mutante | wwilliam: yea, you need to tell people first what you are using to create VMs |
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| 14:18.33 | Wulf | wwilliam: setup bridged mode for your vm. Then use the usual routing/firewall rules. |
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| 14:19.16 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 14:19.20 | luna_ | hi |
| 14:19.28 | b1ack0p | is there a tool to create subtitle for a video in deb? |
| 14:19.34 | b1ack0p | transcription tool |
| 14:19.44 | luna_ | yeah |
| 14:19.46 | b1ack0p | video to text or srt |
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| 14:20.03 | luna_ | don't remember the names now however |
| 14:20.11 | Wulf | b1ack0p: Perhaps ask somewhere on rizon irc network, they know what they're doing. |
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| 14:20.49 | b1ack0p | hmm |
| 14:21.38 | Wulf | b1ack0p: only editor I can find in debian is "gaupol". I have no idea if it's any good. |
| 14:21.39 | trek00 | anyone remember the name/link of a live linux to try recover deleted files from ext4? if there was one |
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| 14:22.15 | b1ack0p | Wulf: what makes them expert on this? |
| 14:22.19 | joepublic | system rescue cd is nice |
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| 14:22.30 | joepublic | good luck recovering files from ext4 though |
| 14:22.37 | b1ack0p | joepublic: i installed transcriber but doesnt support .mp4 |
| 14:22.39 | Wulf | b1ack0p: they sub anime all day long |
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| 14:23.10 | mutante | trek00: i see there is the packaged called "extundelete" in Debian. so maybe just any Debian live ? |
| 14:23.40 | joepublic | b1ack0p, rip the audio down to a wave file with audacity |
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| 14:23.54 | joepublic | I know it supports wave, don't know what else |
| 14:24.10 | trek00 | mutante: yes i think a live debian + extundelete or ext4magic should be ok, but i remember someone talked about this topic some day ago |
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| 14:25.24 | b1ack0p | isnt there easy way? download video from yt, make audio file, put in transcriber, make subtitle, and translate to english.. |
| 14:25.28 | b1ack0p | not practical |
| 14:26.36 | mutante | trek00: i remember this one https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec |
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| 14:28.37 | trek00 | mutante: i should try this one too thanks :) |
| 14:29.13 | wwilliam | this is oracle vbox vm |
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| 14:31.53 | zege | wwilliam: then you need to set up the network interface as nat in virtualbox. |
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| 14:32.22 | zege | wwilliam: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html |
| 14:34.33 | L0aD1nG | i am facing a problem with my keyboard after upgrading to buster, it wont respond after suspend either systemctl or pm-suspend.. looking on the internet but some people say that the solution made their keyboard not working at all... at least if i poweroff my machine and power it up again it works. |
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| 14:34.46 | L0aD1nG | any safe idea how to fix it? |
| 14:35.14 | mz` | any message in dmesg ? logs ? |
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| 14:39.33 | L0aD1nG | mz`: in which log should i check? this is dmesg https://pastebin.com/EWneCqjf |
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| 14:40.55 | wwilliam | zege: I set nat no outside connection can not do apt-get update. |
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| 14:42.18 | zege | wwilliam: on host you do have internet connection? |
| 14:42.42 | L0aD1nG | this is the only line on dmesg says something for the keyboard : 1.153001] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0 |
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| 14:43.18 | wwilliam | zege: yes |
| 14:43.23 | karlpinc | L0aD1nG: Your keyboard is likely connected via usb so you're also interested in usb related messages. |
| 14:43.52 | karlpinc | L0aD1nG: /var/log/syslog generally has "everything". |
| 14:44.01 | zege | wwilliam: https://askubuntu.com/a/419436 |
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| 14:44.43 | karlpinc | L0aD1nG: And, you'll want to be sure that the problem is not in X. Try switching to a vt and make it happen there. |
| 14:44.45 | karlpinc | !vt |
| 14:44.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>. |
| 14:45.08 | liqgdja | anyon can answer list-module 1+ used_by missing refer |
| 14:45.13 | wwilliam | checking zege thank you for your time. |
| 14:46.00 | L0aD1nG | karlpinc: no its a laptop |
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| 14:49.49 | L0aD1nG | i found that message in /var/log/syslog |
| 14:49.51 | L0aD1nG | Apr 9 17:27:17 Alchemist kernel: [ 1.153001] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0 |
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| 14:50.10 | Arik | buonasera |
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| 14:50.23 | L0aD1nG | it seems it appeared after a suspend i did before a few minutes |
| 14:50.45 | jelly | good afternoon, Arik |
| 14:50.58 | Arik | l'SSD mi frulla ogni tanto e il sistema si blocca per una ventina di secondi. mi succedeva anche con l'HD standard |
| 14:51.18 | greycat | !it |
| 14:51.19 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. - debian-italian@lists.debian.org |
| 14:51.27 | jelly | se non parli Inglese bene, prova il canale ... what he said. |
| 14:53.00 | Arik | i can speak english |
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| 14:53.37 | Arik | i have tried ubuntu-it, bub they didn't hepl me |
| 14:54.06 | Arik | my SSD sometimes start to work hardly |
| 14:54.08 | greycat | are you running Ubuntu? |
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| 14:54.30 | Arik | yes and ubuntu is based on debian |
| 14:54.43 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 14:54.52 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 14:54.52 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 14:54.57 | Arik | and i had this problem also on mint debian LTS |
| 14:55.12 | zege | Arik: try #ubuntu |
| 14:55.47 | Arik | i have another pc with debian |
| 14:55.53 | Arik | same problem |
| 14:56.26 | Arik | HD (not SSD) starts to work hardly fore some seconds and all sistem stops |
| 14:56.37 | Arik | also mouse does not work |
| 14:57.10 | p3hz | can i get some help on how to install some prerequisites i need to build a program from source i need... i'm not sure why they're not in the repos |
| 14:57.33 | liqgdja | anyon can answer list-module 1+ used_by missing_refer |
| 14:57.48 | zege | Arik: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16705/find-out-what-processes-are-writing-to-hard-drive |
| 14:58.19 | Arik | wow! |
| 14:58.24 | Arik | thank you very much |
| 14:58.59 | zege | p3hz: what program? |
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| 15:00.40 | p3hz | @zege final h-encore for vita homebrew |
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| 15:02.02 | p3hz | i need install build-essential, libxml2-dev but it's not in the mx linux repo |
| 15:02.43 | greycat | !mx linux |
| 15:02.43 | dpkg | MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. If you are new to linux, try using Debian instead: http://www.debian.org and see <why debian> -- that means you can type in this channel: !why debian |
| 15:02.48 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:03.36 | liqgdja | For everyone, websafe is fully-safe 4all |
| 15:03.40 | liqgdja | anyon can answer list-module 1+ used_by missing refer |
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| 15:12.01 | L0aD1nG | do you think its safe to use this reccomendation?? https://askubuntu.com/questions/916465/ubuntu-17-04-keyboard-not-responding-after-suspend |
| 15:12.33 | L0aD1nG | i am kinda afraid of losing my keyboard at all, although i have sony vaio too. |
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| 15:22.54 | Arik | i'm trying command sudo iotop -a |
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| 15:26.23 | Arik | to understand the process that writes/reads on SSD |
| 15:26.38 | Arik | blocking system |
| 15:27.54 | cyveris | Arik: Wasn't it established that you're not using Debian? |
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| 15:28.31 | Arik | i use debian on another PC |
| 15:28.44 | Arik | and i have the same problem on debian |
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| 15:29.29 | Arik | zege have given to me a good link |
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| 15:29.44 | Arik | and now i try |
| 15:29.45 | cyveris | I am, unfortunately, rather inclined to not believe you. |
| 15:30.00 | cyveris | Otherwise, you would have gone to your distro's channel the first time you were told. |
| 15:30.09 | greycat | 10:54 greycat> are you running Ubuntu? |
| 15:30.10 | greycat | 10:54 Arik> yes and ubuntu is based on debian |
| 15:30.14 | Arik | maybe if i resolve my problem it is interesting also for you |
| 15:30.39 | cyveris | greycat: He's doing the "I conveniently have another system with the exact same problem that runs Debian" BS. |
| 15:30.51 | Arik | on this pc i have ubuntu (based on debian) but on another i have mint debian version LTS |
| 15:31.20 | miskatonic | Mint is yet another derivative |
| 15:31.22 | greycat | So he thinks we're so stupid we'd fall for that, but also so smart that we can solve whatever his problem is. I'm curious how that works. |
| 15:31.26 | Arik | cyveris does not believe me... but ok... |
| 15:31.37 | cyveris | Yup. |
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| 15:32.06 | Arik | thank you very much, greycat |
| 15:32.41 | Arik | now i have unistalled "snapd" program |
| 15:33.30 | Arik | i have seen thet read a lot from disk |
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| 15:33.40 | Arik | that* |
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| 15:36.12 | L0aD1nG | i solved the problem following this post's suggestion https://askubuntu.com/questions/916465/ubuntu-17-04-keyboard-not-responding-after-suspend |
| 15:36.37 | L0aD1nG | but i dont know how safe it is to touch that grub file... |
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| 15:36.59 | zege | Arik: Ok, Snapd is only ubuntu not debian. Why don't you just ask your question in #ubuntu? There are a lot of super nice, super helpful people over there? |
| 15:37.47 | zege | L0aD1nG: if the driver is really the problem then do the modifications to the grub file. If something goes wrong you can manually edit the grub command before booting. |
| 15:37.48 | Arik | i have uninstalled snapd, but i have still the problem |
| 15:38.05 | greycat | ,v snapd |
| 15:38.06 | judd | Package: snapd on amd64 -- stretch: 2.21-2+b1; buster: 2.37.4-1+b1; bullseye: 2.42.1-1; sid: 2.44.1-2 |
| 15:38.21 | Arik | so... snapd was not guilty |
| 15:38.36 | Arik | in any case i don't need snapd |
| 15:39.43 | Arik | maybe i have to go to #ubuntu.... i don't like to feel not wellcome :( |
| 15:39.52 | Arik | thank you very much |
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| 15:40.20 | L0aD1nG | zege: i did it because i found it logical and very matching to my case based on my laptop is vaio too. It worked. |
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| 15:41.40 | L0aD1nG | i was afraid cause on another post someone tried editing the same line with something, and he said he lost his keyboard at all. |
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| 15:43.29 | zege | L0aD1nG: then just add i8042.reset to grub |
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| 15:44.41 | L0aD1nG | zege: i added both of this "i8042.direct i8042.dumbkbd" and it works |
| 15:45.01 | zege | L0aD1nG: then everthing is fine. |
| 15:45.03 | L0aD1nG | i suspended after update-grub and reboot and keyboard worked |
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| 15:46.32 | L0aD1nG | zege: the only thing was different to me based on this post was that i have also this "acpi=force" on GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line |
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| 15:49.42 | zege | L0aD1nG: that shouldn't matter |
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| 15:52.23 | trek00 | Arik: may be your browser is consuming all the free memory? |
| 15:52.56 | cyveris | trek00: He's not running Debian. Whatever his issue is, he needs to ask in the proper channel. |
| 15:52.57 | Arik | i have the problem also when i have not browser opened |
| 15:53.27 | trek00 | well may be we should talk not here |
| 15:53.33 | Arik | and i see the memory always on 68% |
| 15:53.37 | Arik | not more |
| 15:53.48 | Arik | the swap memory always on 2% |
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| 16:01.05 | L0aD1nG | thanks for help guys i think buster is setted out nicely right now. I ve tried everything and it works, only think i didnt achieve at the moment is copy/paste on urxvt with the keys i want |
| 16:01.28 | L0aD1nG | i can use ctrl+alt for now though it works. |
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| 16:07.17 | M1st3RB1n | ÑÑ Ñдд |
| 16:07.18 | M1st3RB1n | hi all |
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| 16:10.12 | u0_a131 | hello and goodday! |
| 16:10.52 | L0aD1nG | loool i just checked.. the fix created another problem the num lock and caps lock lights are always on... |
| 16:11.18 | L0aD1nG | come on... |
| 16:12.06 | L0aD1nG | although the buttons does the job |
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| 16:12.53 | mitrax | when adding a temporary secondary address to a NIC with ip addr add is there a way to specify it should be seen as a secondary address (i.e displayed as secondary on ip addr show)? |
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| 16:24.49 | ayekat | mitrax: AFAIK there is no such thing as "primary" or "secondary" IP addresses - you just have a set of IP addresses assigned to a NIC, and there is no particular order |
| 16:26.20 | ayekat | (at least the manpage doesn't mention any order - I guess you'd need to check the source or play around a bit to see a pattern in how it orders them when displaying them) |
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| 16:27.11 | mitrax | ayekat: ok some show up as secondary though, but that's only when having consecutive address on a netblock, my problem is i can't use labels with ipv6, they're simply discarded, and i'd like to be able to flush all temporary ipv6 but not the permanent one defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:28.45 | mitrax | ayekat: e.g with ipv4 i just ip addr flush label eth0:* , but with ipv6 for some reason labels are discarded when adding an address |
| 16:29.52 | greycat | "eth0:1" and similar interface names are a legacy thing from before iproute2 |
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| 16:31.19 | mitrax | yeah but they're still supported when assigning a label to an interface, at least for ipv4, or is there an alternative way to label address? |
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| 16:51.45 | Lope | is it possible to install kde-plasma-desktop and sddm inside LXC and have it display on 3 physical monitors? I was planning to use a VM for this, but if the DE part is possible then a container would be preferable. |
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| 16:54.40 | ratrace | Lope: should be possible, I don't see why not. |
| 16:55.34 | ratrace | but probably nothing else can use that gpu or xorg instance if it's host-side, at the same time. |
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| 17:06.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi guys has anybody seen this with buster and python-pip ? http://paste.debian.net/1139372/ |
| 17:08.12 | annadane | i think that looks like a problem on the server you're trying to download from |
| 17:08.29 | annadane | i don't know much about it but it looks like "couldn't fetch stuff at this time" |
| 17:08.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | kk\ |
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| 17:09.53 | somiaj | Maybe ask in a python channel, but that appears that you aren't requesting any versions (versions: none) |
| 17:10.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 17:10.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | will do |
| 17:11.01 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: that's wrong package name, it's python-openstackclient on pypi |
| 17:11.08 | ratrace | python3-* stuff is usually distro packaging |
| 17:11.11 | Surfer2011_ | how can i access the host systems hdd from a debian live image in a console? |
| 17:11.14 | somiaj | also why not use the debian package? |
| 17:11.18 | somiaj | ,i python3-openstackclient |
| 17:11.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh |
| 17:11.19 | judd | Package python3-openstackclient (python, optional) in buster/amd64: OpenStack Command-line Client - Python 3.x. Version: 3.16.2-1; Size: 365.5k; Installed: 4331k; Homepage: http://wiki.openstack.org/OpenStackClient |
| 17:11.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 17:12.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think that fixed it |
| 17:12.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | Gkr-Message: 13:11:38.783: couldn't connect to dbus session bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. |
| 17:12.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | Requirement already satisfied: python-openstackclient in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages (3.16.2) |
| 17:12.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | says it is already installed |
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| 17:12.50 | ratrace | wellp.... |
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| 17:15.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i fixed it now i got 5.2 |
| 17:15.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty ty |
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| 17:15.46 | simplicius | Hello |
| 17:15.47 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: hope you didn't pip that as root... |
| 17:15.48 | simplicius | How can I get the same IP address on connecting to a wifi AP? |
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| 17:16.30 | ratrace | simplicius: either the responsible dhcp server binds your mac to an IP (common scenario) or you'll need static IP |
| 17:16.48 | simplicius | I'm using /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 17:17.33 | simplicius | in the section "MAC binding" ? |
| 17:17.45 | ratrace | simplicius: the DHCP _server_ does that |
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| 17:18.46 | Lope | ratrace, giving the container exclusive use of the GPU isn't a problem. But the reason for using a container or VM is to have hardware abstraction, so that I can move the CT/VM to different machines and start it up there and resume working. |
| 17:18.59 | simplicius | I'd prefere to configure a static IP on my pc |
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| 17:19.05 | ratrace | Lope: containers are just namespaces, no abstraction there |
| 17:20.03 | ratrace | simplicius: then you do regular static IP config via, say, /etc/network/interfaces . |
| 17:20.48 | Lope | ratrace, I see, however you can give a container it's own network interfaces and routing and so on. |
| 17:21.02 | simplicius | what should I modify there? |
| 17:21.28 | ratrace | simplicius: eg... iface wlan0 inet static \n \t wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/... \n \t address <your static IP>/24 \n \t gateway <the gateway IP> |
| 17:21.44 | ratrace | simplicius: modify "wlan0" into whatever the nic name is |
| 17:22.21 | ratrace | you'll also need allow-hotplug wlan0 if that's not permanently available NIC (and change wlan0 into whatever it is) |
| 17:23.12 | ratrace | Lope: because it's a separate namespace. you can't "abstract" the NIC (thus be mindful which NIC name its), you can't abstract the GPU. |
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| 17:25.18 | Lope | ratrace, I see :) |
| 17:26.20 | ratrace | Lope: btw, network is a bit specific because one can create a whole host of virtual NICs. TUNs, TAPs, virtio stuff and more, so in one way it's hardware agnostic, but it's not the same thing as VM hardware abstraction. |
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| 17:26.54 | ratrace | you definitely can't do that to gpu |
| 17:27.44 | ratrace | but you can not rely on specific hardware and assume there's a xorg running on the host, so you only bind-mount /tmp/.X11-unix/ (ro suffices) into the container namespace |
| 17:28.07 | ratrace | %s/hardware and/hardware, and then/ |
| 17:28.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol ratrace |
| 17:28.29 | Lope | ratrace, yeah I see. Okay I've eliminated the container idea. |
| 17:28.39 | Lope | basically I'm doing an experiment where I work in a VM. |
| 17:28.59 | Lope | write software, browse, IRC, everything. |
| 17:29.18 | Lope | then sync the VM between desktop and laptop, then I can start it up on different hardware. |
| 17:29.32 | Lope | even start it up on my dedicated server and work on it from a tablet, etc. |
| 17:29.39 | Lope | with powerful hardware at my disposal. |
| 17:29.43 | ratrace | you can do that with containers assuming you took care of hardware compatibility on both sides |
| 17:29.53 | ratrace | but I'd rather do that with VMs, personally |
| 17:30.02 | simplicius | is it correct https://paste.gnome.org/pfizj6b8d ? |
| 17:30.05 | Lope | ratrace, yeah, I'm happy to give up a few % of performance to have zero hardware hassles. |
| 17:30.18 | Lope | ratrace, so I'm thinking to use x2go |
| 17:30.40 | Lope | that will allow me to login and logout while the session persists. |
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| 17:31.07 | Lope | in the case that it's on my dedicated server and I've got an imperfect mobile connection, that will be nice. |
| 17:31.09 | ratrace | simplicius: no. wpa-conf needs path to actual wpa_supplicant.conf that you're using. and lines 2,3 and 4 need to be indented. line 5 is out of place there |
| 17:31.36 | ratrace | Lope: I hear nice things about x2go, including variable bit rate to mitigate slow connections. |
| 17:31.56 | ratrace | so your gfx quality drops but latency doesn't |
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| 17:31.57 | Lope | ratrace, I've used it briefly once. I had a good experience. |
| 17:32.16 | Lope | this will be a much deeper dive into x2go. |
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| 17:33.41 | simplicius | ratrace: thanks now it should be ok https://paste.gnome.org/pqcqeso0c |
| 17:34.12 | ratrace | simplicius: line 2 must be indented too, and line 5 is out of place, like I said. |
| 17:34.52 | simplicius | where have I to put line 5? |
| 17:34.53 | ratrace | Lope: just one thing with xorg, the unix socket is vastly, VASTLY, superior than any form of tcp, even if you netcat a hole between the VM and a host. |
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| 17:35.10 | ratrace | so with x2go you can count on lower gfx quality due to that |
| 17:35.21 | ratrace | simplicius: wpa config goes to wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 17:35.34 | Lope | ratrace, interesting. I gtg, bbl :) |
| 17:35.52 | simplicius | so I don't put that at all |
| 17:36.44 | simplicius | I've seen some files that mention info like wpa-driver nl80211 |
| 17:37.54 | ratrace | simplicius: interfaces(5) has capabilities to configure wpa_supplicant through directives local to the interfaces stanza, but the documentation for that is rathre lacking, so I'd recommend use a proper wpa_supplicant.conf file with its native directives |
| 17:38.21 | simplicius | ok so I remove that |
| 17:38.41 | simplicius | like this https://paste.gnome.org/pfnsszmky |
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| 17:39.23 | ratrace | simplicius: add allow-hotplug wlxf4f26d13b2bd above the iface line, though I'm not 100% sure it's needed. |
| 17:39.57 | simplicius | without indentation? |
| 17:39.59 | ratrace | otherwise that looks good, assuming it's okay to get 192.168.1.14 in your network without DHCP |
| 17:40.03 | ratrace | simplicius: without |
| 17:40.17 | ratrace | it's a directive on the same level with "iface" |
| 17:41.59 | simplicius | do I have to logout? |
| 17:43.01 | b1ack0p | what was the command to set keyboard layout? setxbmap _ |
| 17:43.02 | b1ack0p | ? |
| 17:43.05 | ratrace | simplicius: for this? no, just restart the networking.service |
| 17:43.12 | ratrace | b1ack0p: yes |
| 17:43.16 | b1ack0p | doesnt work |
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| 17:44.12 | b1ack0p | must be different |
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| 17:44.38 | b1ack0p | oh found it |
| 17:44.42 | b1ack0p | setxkbmap |
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| 17:47.10 | simplicius | it is not working |
| 17:47.21 | simplicius | it has given me a different IP |
| 17:47.44 | ratrace | simplicius: is there something else on the system managing wifi? network manager? |
| 17:48.00 | simplicius | I didn't put that particular line you told me you were not sure |
| 17:49.01 | simplicius | what was it? I don't have logs active |
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| 17:53.36 | L0aD1nG | hello i try to use setleds cause after a edit i made to a grub line on /etc/default/grub my leds of nums lock and caps lock are always on after a suspend.. |
| 17:53.38 | simplicius_ | sorry it disconnecte |
| 17:54.01 | L0aD1nG | when i use setleds with any options i get this error : setleds: Error reading current flags setting. Maybe you are not on the console?: ioctl KDGKBLED: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 17:55.00 | simplicius_ | this is my file at the moment |
| 17:55.02 | simplicius_ | https://paste.gnome.org/ptnoeybsd |
| 17:55.43 | karlpinc | L0aD1nG: Are you on the console or are you in X? |
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| 17:57.02 | L0aD1nG | karlpinc: i do this from a urxvt on i3 so i guess it supposed to be X? |
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| 17:57.20 | teksimian | what's a good way to replay or view typescript generated by script ? |
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| 17:59.56 | greycat | SEE ALSO csh(1) (for the history mechanism), scriptreplay(1) |
| 18:00.25 | greycat | You always look at the SEE ALSO section. It's the most important. |
| 18:00.41 | L0aD1nG | ohhh i see i did ctrl+alt+f1 and it worked.. didnt thought that before, though the problem persists |
| 18:01.16 | L0aD1nG | also setleds will be mistaken about nums either the button or the led |
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| 18:02.50 | simplicius | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:05.56 | dka | how can I delete old files in directory and all subdirectory that are older than 30 days and that end with .tar.gz ? |
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| 18:06.23 | greycat | find . -type f -mtime +30 -name '*.tar.gz' -print |
| 18:06.31 | greycat | if you like what you see, change -print to -delete |
| 18:07.36 | simplicius | Do I need also a netmask? |
| 18:08.17 | dka | is it recursive ? |
| 18:09.39 | nifker | is it possible to change the priority of a network interface? so that I specify that I want to use this specific network interface |
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| 18:14.14 | Wulf | nifker: you can set up your routing table |
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| 18:14.52 | nifker | how can I do so? I just want one process to use a specific network interface |
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| 18:20.39 | simplicius | I need to disable networkmanager only for a device |
| 18:20.54 | Wulf | simplicius: configure the device in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:21.18 | tds | nifker: you have quite a few options, the nicest is probably a VRF |
| 18:21.19 | Wulf | nifker: if the process is communicating with one specific destination, set a route to that destination through the other card |
| 18:21.23 | simplicius | Wulf: I did it https://paste.gnome.org/ptnoeybsd |
| 18:21.31 | Wulf | tds: VRF? |
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| 18:21.39 | tds | then you can either set your application to use the VRF interface if it supports it, or `ip vrf exec` it |
| 18:21.51 | tds | Wulf: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/vrf.txt |
| 18:22.11 | Wulf | simplicius: should be fine. |
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| 18:23.33 | simplicius | Wulf: but the IP keeps changing and I also have connectivity issue |
| 18:23.41 | simplicius | it disconnects afte 1 min |
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| 18:24.14 | Wulf | simplicius: what does "nmcli d" show? |
| 18:24.40 | NetTerminalGene | can i install ubuntu 12.04 icon and theme to buster? |
| 18:24.50 | NetTerminalGene | i mean 22.04 |
| 18:24.54 | simplicius | at the momemnt wlxf4f26d13b2bd wifi disconnected -- |
| 18:25.08 | simplicius | I use the smartphone to connect |
| 18:25.09 | annadane | probably but it also depends on what de/wm you use |
| 18:25.13 | NetTerminalGene | *20.04 |
| 18:25.38 | NetTerminalGene | annadane, i use gnome |
| 18:25.44 | Wulf | simplicius: maybe you need to restart nm so it will recognize that you configured the interface manually |
| 18:25.52 | annadane | it probably has a GUI where you can change that |
| 18:25.54 | annadane | i don't know |
| 18:25.58 | simplicius | Wulf: ok |
| 18:26.02 | annadane | !tias |
| 18:26.02 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 18:43.46 | simplicius | hello |
| 18:43.58 | simplicius | I tried to configure the router https://i.imgur.com/et7M9dr.png but it doesn't work |
| 18:44.04 | usr01234321eq111 | hi sorry 4 the off-topic, but someone knows a technic channel for pc? |
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| 18:55.21 | Arik | exit |
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| 18:57.32 | simplicius | I found the problem my mac and that on the router aren't the same |
| 18:57.41 | simplicius | so they cannot be IP binding |
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| 19:00.42 | ratrace | simplicius: so that's not your IP at all then. do you get static config okay? `ip a` will show |
| 19:01.32 | simplicius | ratrace, I tried https://paste.gnome.org/plmfdjsqa |
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| 19:03.17 | simplicius | that dynamic.. |
| 19:03.19 | simplicius | is it ok= |
| 19:03.43 | simplicius | ? |
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| 19:06.28 | simplicius | still nothing |
| 19:06.45 | simplicius | I get always 192.168.1.104 |
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| 19:14.19 | ska | Is it advisable to remove python 2.7 from debian 10? |
| 19:14.43 | greycat | No. |
| 19:15.56 | ska | I did notice an massive amount of used packages that would be removed if i did try it. |
| 19:16.17 | sney | a lot of stuff depends on python. why did you want to remove it? |
| 19:16.44 | ska | Python 2 is not un-maintained. |
| 19:16.59 | ska | I mean NOW unmaintained. |
| 19:17.12 | ChmEarl | ska I run debian 10 server with no python2.7 |
| 19:17.20 | ChmEarl | no gui |
| 19:17.35 | sney | upstream, yes. but debian has a python team keeping the lights on while we migrate to using python3 |
| 19:18.00 | ChmEarl | ska, but python2.7 only left using autoremove |
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| 19:19.52 | lwp | Of course, python 4 will be incompatible with any programs written in python3 |
| 19:20.37 | ska | ChmEarl: your server probably has much smaller dependency chain than mine. |
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| 19:21.43 | ChmEarl | ska, before I pushed for python2.7 free install I ran apt rdepends |
| 19:22.06 | ChmEarl | ska, once I saw there were only few entries I went ahead |
| 19:22.18 | greycat | The point remains that removing python2.7 serves no real purpose, and has the potential to break a lot of things. |
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| 19:27.59 | ska | ChmEarl: I show things that I need like google-cloud-sdk rdepends on python2.7 |
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| 19:28.27 | greycat | ,depends google-cloud-sdk |
| 19:28.28 | judd | No package named 'google-cloud-sdk' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 19:28.40 | greycat | must be third-party. |
| 19:28.49 | sney | shocking |
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| 19:32.23 | ska | It is shocking.. |
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| 19:34.20 | f8e4 | how to undo a home directory overwrite with a file? #mv .psqlrc /home/postgres |
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| 19:35.56 | f8e4 | can i recover the home dir of postgres user? |
| 19:36.06 | vext01 | so i installed debian on my partner's laptop and every so often she complains that the screen goes black and won't come back |
| 19:36.27 | vext01 | i can restore the desktop by switching to a vt and back |
| 19:36.33 | vext01 | but why does this happen? |
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| 19:36.46 | f8e4 | vext01 i have similar issues, with hibernate and lock on xfce, sth is wrong there |
| 19:37.03 | vext01 | already replaced slim-lock, as this was doing this "you will be redirected" message forever |
| 19:37.14 | vext01 | f8e4: :\\ |
| 19:37.23 | vext01 | will it be patched into stable? |
| 19:38.14 | f8e4 | you can login to tty1 and do login-ctl unlocksession X && logout and jump back to tty7 i guess; |
| 19:39.29 | vext01 | f8e4: i don't think the screen is actually locked since I removed slim-lock |
| 19:39.35 | vext01 | just "blanked" |
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| 19:41.11 | mi11k1 | f8e4, ive never gotten sleep or hibernate to work on anything. I mean, I havent actually tried, but out of the box, never. |
| 19:42.19 | mi11k1 | I thought I read somewhere that SSD's have something to do with it, is this true? |
| 19:42.34 | vext01 | could it be this: https://medium.com/@ehsan.nazim/debian-10-buster-xfce-black-screen-after-locking-screen-a2266e91791c |
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| 19:42.37 | mi11k1 | cause it cant write the ram or something |
| 19:43.09 | mi11k1 | could be, im on intel |
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| 19:45.09 | mi11k1 | vext01, im trying that solution right now |
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| 19:45.53 | vext01 | i can't try right now, as she's using the laptop in question |
| 19:45.59 | vext01 | mi11k1: let me know |
| 19:46.43 | vext01 | another intel option im using on a bsd box is: Option "TearFree" "true" |
| 19:46.53 | vext01 | makes videos not tear |
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| 19:47.11 | mi11k1 | it worked! |
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| 19:47.18 | vext01 | yeah? awesome |
| 19:47.38 | mi11k1 | wakes up from sleep anyways. awesome thanks |
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| 19:48.11 | vext01 | i didn't do much, just searched :) |
| 19:48.12 | mi11k1 | Ive never actively looked for a solution, and just sat in front of my computer at the right time. |
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| 19:49.12 | mi11k1 | vext01, it takes 15 secs to reboot, lol |
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| 19:49.38 | mi11k1 | if it costed me like 2 mins, i would have tried to fix it |
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| 19:50.15 | mi11k1 | vext01, what do you mean tear? |
| 19:50.44 | vext01 | you know when a video pans across a landscape and you see horizontal line artifacts? |
| 19:51.00 | mi11k1 | i use youtube in chrome and kodi , i have no problems |
| 19:51.18 | mi11k1 | i thibk i know what you mean, but i dont get that |
| 19:51.36 | mi11k1 | actually ive been lying, i dont have debian on here. |
| 19:51.46 | mi11k1 | its MX , i call them the same |
| 19:52.06 | vext01 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfL_JkcEFbE |
| 19:52.08 | vext01 | ^ test |
| 19:52.59 | vext01 | and example: |
| 19:53.00 | mi11k1 | im not even on that machine, i just did that fix through ssh and went and tried it. |
| 19:53.01 | vext01 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg_0D96ZGSY |
| 19:53.11 | vext01 | ah ok |
| 19:53.36 | mi11k1 | but, i think this one has the same video, but its a desktop and its just awake all the time. |
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| 20:01.16 | wwilliam | is there a way for root to be the only user to change the permission on everything owned by a regular user? |
| 20:02.09 | greycat | You ... want a file to be owned by fred, but to disallow fred from changing its permissions? No. No, that is not possible. |
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| 20:02.24 | greycat | Just make root the owner and stop being daft. |
| 20:02.28 | wwilliam | ok Thank you. |
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| 20:18.59 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 20:19.22 | johnfg | I never got an answer as to why I can't start a --user service file. |
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| 20:20.46 | johnfg | Here's the error (the .service file is in place): Failed to enable unit: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1 |
| 20:21.04 | johnfg | I've searched for an answer, after reading the man page, but haven't found one. |
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| 20:21.13 | somiaj | johnfg: does systemctl status unitfile give you any info? |
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| 20:21.41 | greycat | read the logs (systemctl status whatever, or journalctl -u whatever) to see whatever else might be helpful |
| 20:22.16 | greycat | it's quite possible that *nothing* else is logged, in which case, you just have to debug the program yourself like sysadmins have done since the dawn of time |
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| 20:22.54 | greycat | oh, also worth checking the program's private log files outside of the systemd landscape, if it has any -- of course, you won't tell us what it is, so we can't help you find them |
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| 20:24.24 | johnfg | greycat: pretty much just giving me the same message I posted. |
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| 20:24.39 | johnfg | greycat: Of course I will: syncthing. |
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| 20:25.14 | johnfg | And the service file is at: /usr/lib/systemd/user/syncthing.service |
| 20:25.22 | greycat | first google result I get is https://forum.syncthing.net/t/where-to-find-the-log-files-frequent-sync-conflict-files/11034 |
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| 20:25.59 | johnfg | The program itself works great, but it's not starting with systemctl via --user as it should, but has to be manual. |
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| 20:26.11 | greycat | the first response says it logs to stdout by default, which would show up in "journalctl -u syncthing" -- so if you can't find hints there about what killed syncthing, then you may have to go to a more specialized channel |
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| 20:26.36 | greycat | oh, you're using --user? then the systemd commands would be different. |
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| 20:26.51 | johnfg | greycat: That' |
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| 20:27.17 | johnfg | That's what's recommended, and I do that on the other 2 machines that I'm syncing with. |
| 20:27.37 | johnfg | the man page has no explanation about --user. |
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| 20:28.58 | greycat | I've never successfully used systemd --user so I can't offer much help with that. |
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| 20:30.34 | johnfg | somiaj: Sorry I didn't see yours. Since syncthing was installed for user, and the syncthing.service placed where I showed, systemctl status syncthing doesn't find it, and systemctl --user status syncthing fails with the same error. |
| 20:30.58 | johnfg | greycat: NP, thanks for trying, I appreciate it. |
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| 20:46.18 | johnfg | somiaj: Got any ideas? |
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| 20:51.02 | Rozha | hallo |
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| 20:51.49 | Rozha | what the best download for server install from usb ? |
| 20:52.05 | greycat | !netinst |
| 20:52.05 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 20:52.06 | zelest | So, I accidentally removed my apache.conf .. how do I get it back? One would think that removing the package and reinstall it would solve that, but sadly not. |
| 20:52.15 | greycat | !confmiss |
| 20:52.15 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 20:55.50 | Lope | I'm making a VM, using my host system as a starting point. |
| 20:56.15 | Lope | I've rsync'd the host system excluding the contents of proc dev sys and so on. |
| 20:56.32 | Lope | then setup the /boot mount and all the proc dev sys bind mounts |
| 20:56.41 | Lope | then chrooted in and have been adding and removing packages. |
| 20:56.46 | Lope | It seems to be stuck removing lvm2. |
| 20:57.00 | Lope | It's been like 3 mins, stuck on 20% |
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| 20:57.10 | Lope | haha, okay it continued, jeeeez |
| 20:57.56 | Rozha | dpkg amd64 and cd1 ? |
| 20:57.58 | dpkg | Rozha: I give up, what is it? |
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| 20:58.48 | Rozha | 335 mb ? or next it wall install from internet ? |
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| 21:00.01 | Rozha | dpkg https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/arm64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:00.02 | dpkg | Rozha: bugger all, i dunno |
| 21:00.05 | Rozha | and this one ? |
| 21:00.22 | mdx0 | Udp |
| 21:01.27 | zelest | okey, apparantly the file is back and stuff is still not working.. how can I reinstall apache and make debian forget I ever installed it.. and get it to behave as if I installed it for the very first time? |
| 21:01.45 | greycat | purge it. |
| 21:01.58 | zelest | purge? |
| 21:02.07 | Rozha | Ñ ÑÑÑÑ |
| 21:02.08 | Rozha | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:02.10 | Rozha | еÑÑÑ ÑÑÑ |
| 21:02.11 | zelest | oh |
| 21:02.17 | Rozha | i meen this one |
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| 21:05.28 | theteju | Once you upgrade the kernel, manually, does that break software repositories? |
| 21:06.07 | joepublic | manually? |
| 21:06.32 | joepublic | I compile kernels to debs and install them, surely that's what you mean? |
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| 21:07.01 | theteju | I upgraded my kernel,, to 5.4 , System is running perfectly,, but as I am trying to install my printer.. It is missing some dependencies and I can not install them |
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| 21:07.57 | joepublic | did you change your sources.list and if so to what? |
| 21:08.05 | theteju | I have to disclosed that I am talking about a debian based distro,, called MxLinux not pure debian itself. |
| 21:08.17 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 21:08.22 | greycat | !mx linux |
| 21:08.22 | dpkg | MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. If you are new to linux, try using Debian instead: http://www.debian.org and see <why debian> -- that means you can type in this channel: !why debian |
| 21:08.27 | theteju | NO I have not changed souces.list |
| 21:08.52 | annadane | !tell theteju about based on debian |
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| 21:08.55 | joepublic | then that's probably not why your repositories are having trouble. |
| 21:09.29 | joepublic | heck I am on kernel 5.6.2-gnu and apt is running smooth as silk here in debian land. |
| 21:09.42 | greycat | Hey, I'm using Debian with a Linux kernel, and Linux was based on Minix, so I'm going to find a Minix channel and ask them everything. |
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| 21:09.55 | joepublic | sure, makes sense |
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| 21:13.49 | annadane | it's *flattering* that people come to #debian for help about everything under the sun, don't get me wrong, but... |
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| 21:16.00 | WoC | Which numreric version is also called bullseye/sid ? |
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| 21:16.27 | annadane | bullseye is debian 11. sid will always be "unstable" and doesn't have a numeric version |
| 21:17.03 | WoC | k, ty :) That's how is is presented in neofetch |
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| 21:20.41 | WoC | speaking of, is there still a port of debian for Sun ? |
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| 21:21.14 | greycat | !sparc |
| 21:21.14 | dpkg | SPARC is the CPU architecture used in Sun Microsystem's proprietary hardware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC). To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc ; the <sparc32> port has been retired and the sparc64 port has been removed from <testing> (bug #745938). For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:21.25 | aleph- | Question, is there a way via `dh_install` in my rules file to ignore files when building a deb archive? |
| 21:21.29 | greycat | (guessing that's the "Sun" you meant) |
| 21:21.47 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/ports/ says sparc will be "replaced by sparc64" |
| 21:21.50 | WoC | Aye :) You have the sparc |
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| 21:22.52 | aleph- | Oh think I see. |
| 21:23.46 | annadane | bug #745938 |
| 21:23.54 | annadane | judd, bug 745938 |
| 21:23.55 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/745938 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «decide on the future of sparc in unstable»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-04-26; last modified: 2015-08-26. |
| 21:24.22 | annadane | "2015", "testing". debian.org/ports still says "to be replaced by". okay i guess |
| 21:25.30 | WoC | I think the Itanium port is in a similar state |
| 21:25.56 | binaryhermit | looks like sparc64 exists at least for Buster |
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| 21:26.03 | jrtc27 | no |
| 21:26.08 | jrtc27 | sparc64 is not a release architecture |
| 21:26.14 | jrtc27 | it lives on debian-ports (ports.debian.org) |
| 21:26.25 | jrtc27 | therefore it only has an unstable suite (and experimental) |
| 21:26.34 | binaryhermit | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/10.0/sparc64/iso-cd/ |
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| 21:26.54 | jrtc27 | that's just a CD that was built from unstable around the time that buster was released |
| 21:27.02 | jrtc27 | don't use it, it's old and no longer works |
| 21:27.06 | binaryhermit | I'm not saying I'd use a sparc system these days, but that's a thing it seems |
| 21:27.08 | binaryhermit | ahh |
| 21:27.13 | binaryhermit | I stand corrected |
| 21:27.15 | jrtc27 | I'm one of the sparc64 porters |
| 21:27.25 | WoC | Nice :) |
| 21:27.39 | binaryhermit | if I had a sparc or itanic system I'd be looking for replacement HW these days |
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| 21:28.07 | jrtc27 | for ia64, we maintain out of interest/fun, not because we recommend people use it in production... |
| 21:28.08 | binaryhermit | do they even still make sparc hw? |
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| 21:28.24 | jrtc27 | there has been new hardware in the past few years |
| 21:28.34 | jrtc27 | but I think oracle are finally stopping |
| 21:28.43 | jrtc27 | fujitsu has had more recent hardware and may still be going |
| 21:28.50 | binaryhermit | similar for itanic, except intel |
| 21:29.07 | binaryhermit | I think they've announced the death of itanic |
| 21:29.09 | jrtc27 | well, sparc has had a much more successful history |
| 21:29.17 | jrtc27 | its primary issue is oracle |
| 21:29.22 | jrtc27 | as with everything they touch |
| 21:29.32 | joepublic | I am not sure the death of a dead thing needs to be 'announced' |
| 21:29.32 | binaryhermit | oracle: where projects go to die |
| 21:29.39 | jrtc27 | and by oracle I mean larry ellison |
| 21:29.42 | WoC | Kind of sad they killed off the Itanium, being a true 64 bit w/o old legacy |
| 21:29.49 | binaryhermit | I'd be shocked if there's a Solaris 12 |
| 21:30.03 | binaryhermit | I know Solaris 11 is supported through... 2034? |
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| 21:30.10 | joepublic | there's openindiana, but that's hardly an oracle thing |
| 21:30.17 | jrtc27 | I think I heard rumours of a 12 from people quite a few years ago but it either got canned or turned into a later 11.x |
| 21:30.34 | binaryhermit | and isn't that a fork of the now-dead opensolaris? |
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| 21:30.45 | joepublic | yes. |
| 21:30.55 | jrtc27 | if you want solaris, use illumos |
| 21:31.10 | binaryhermit | I'm suprised they haven't un-GPL'd java |
| 21:31.15 | jrtc27 | that's developed by many ex-oracle employees after opensolaris was abandoned |
| 21:31.23 | joepublic | is simple and just wants debian everywhere |
| 21:31.32 | jrtc27 | :) |
| 21:31.51 | WoC | Uniform ;) One OS to rule them all ? |
| 21:32.00 | joepublic | the universal operating system. |
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| 21:34.33 | WoC | Anyone know of a way to reset a sata channel ? |
| 21:34.57 | WoC | or tool for |
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| 21:36.53 | WoC | I have a lazy disk, it doesn't always get detected |
| 21:37.10 | binaryhermit | itanium's problem was that it didn't have old legacy outide really really bad emulation |
| 21:37.33 | binaryhermit | that the emulation of x86 code was somewhere around the level of a pentium speed-wise |
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| 21:38.20 | WoC | they should have used the method Digital used, which converted the code as you ran it |
| 21:38.48 | WoC | Progressive translation |
| 21:39.06 | WoC | Worked for Alpha |
| 21:39.12 | binaryhermit | eventually they went with some sort of software that worked a lot faster |
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| 21:39.47 | WoC | Right, still wont be the same as native optimized code |
| 21:39.47 | binaryhermit | but by that point AMD64 was a thing |
| 21:40.16 | binaryhermit | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/01/23/benchmarks_itanic_32bit_emulation/ |
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| 21:41.02 | WoC | Linux ZEUS 5.5.0-1-powerpc64 #1 SMP Debian 5.5.13-2 (2020-03-30) ppc64 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:41.43 | binaryhermit | I mean, if it could have pulled off usable x86 code execution before AMD64 became a thing, it might have been a thing |
| 21:42.03 | binaryhermit | anyway, moot point |
| 21:42.18 | WoC | :) |
| 21:43.44 | binaryhermit | hmm, is debian on risc-v a thing? |
| 21:44.16 | annadane | is any linux distro risc-v a thing? |
| 21:44.33 | WoC | I think Gentoo |
| 21:44.38 | Jaami | Hi, my idea failed when i decided to use some other debian based distro because all other flavour that i used, required cd-rom. that is the problem i am back to debian. i have no cd-rom in my laptop but debian setup keep checling cd-rom. it cannot find drivers and setup failed everytime. what is wrong with my external usb drive? |
| 21:44.40 | binaryhermit | is actual risc-v hardware a thing? |
| 21:44.51 | binaryhermit | I know it's been implemented in a FGPA |
| 21:45.10 | binaryhermit | but I suspect that's not practical outside testing types of situations |
| 21:45.45 | WoC | Jaami: Have you tried USB Stick ? |
| 21:46.04 | WoC | or are you installing to a usb drive ? |
| 21:46.10 | Jaami | No, i have only USB HDD external of course |
| 21:46.25 | WoC | USB 3+ ? |
| 21:46.49 | Jaami | i am installing to HDD so made USB drive bootable with non-free DVD iso |
| 21:46.52 | WoC | Anythink less would be horribly slow |
| 21:47.00 | Jaami | USB 3.0 |
| 21:47.04 | WoC | ok |
| 21:47.35 | annadane | i know there was some bug report filed for something in debian stable, don't remember what, but it was basically, "please change this package to include risc-v", and it was like a one line change in a file, and it got rejected for "not sufficient to make changes to debian stable", the person(s) responsible for filing the report wanted to try to incorporate risc-v at some point in the future, something like that |
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| 21:48.26 | WoC | So, Jaami did you dd the iso to the sb stick or used some sort of program for it ? |
| 21:48.42 | WoC | s/sb/usb/ |
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| 21:49.26 | Jaami | iused Win32DiskImager . also tried with 4 partitions and single partition too |
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| 21:50.08 | Jaami | bios boot media selection is ok, i can select either USB or HDD, both work |
| 21:50.36 | WoC | You're not trying to install to the same device you are installing from, right ? |
| 21:51.34 | Jaami | yes,, i know i dont have to . USB is for setup and laptop internal HDD is where i want to install debian |
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| 21:53.01 | WoC | ok, Not familiar with Win32DiskImager, i would suggest Rufus, it usually does the trick |
| 21:53.33 | Jaami | oh, there was problem with rufus. it never detected my USB |
| 21:54.32 | WoC | If it's an external usb hd, then you have to add that option in the settings |
| 21:54.36 | Jaami | even after deleting all prtitions , rufus was not able to detect USB drive |
| 21:55.05 | Jaami | ok, how to add that option? do you mean in the bios? |
| 21:55.13 | WoC | it's off by defult to prevent accidental writes to the hd |
| 21:55.24 | WoC | No, in the Rufus options |
| 21:55.51 | WoC | Make sure you use the current version (3.9) |
| 21:55.59 | Jaami | hmm, give me a minute. i think i did not forget anything but i want to try that now |
| 21:56.09 | WoC | np |
| 21:56.13 | Jaami | okay, i will get latest |
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| 21:57.32 | WoC | brb, smoke time ( ;-Q ) |
| 21:57.35 | JordiGH | I got a weird crash in Firefox. First time I get this one: https://crash-stats.mozilla.org/report/index/af5b5c78-7065-454d-91ef-2e0650200409 |
| 21:57.49 | JordiGH | I just tried downgrading libatk and a few deps from backports to stable. |
| 21:58.12 | JordiGH | Can something have gone wrong during the downgrade? Are there remnants lying around because of the downgrade? |
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| 22:00.26 | JordiGH | brb |
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| 22:01.59 | Lope | ratrace, having a problem booting my vm |
| 22:02.22 | Lope | I've got 3 GPT partitions, bios boot, ext4 grub, then xfs root |
| 22:02.53 | Lope | in my /etc/fstab I've got the uuid for boot, which I've tripple checked. the bootup shows an error saying it can't find that UUID. |
| 22:03.30 | Lope | booting from hard disk, then it says "no such device" with the UUID. |
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| 22:04.34 | WoC | Are you sure it's using the GPT and not the DOS table ? |
| 22:04.59 | Lope | well, a DOS table never existed on this zvol |
| 22:05.20 | WoC | Ok, sometimes a protective DOS table is gerenrated |
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| 22:05.52 | Lope | hmm, i highly doubt it, but i'll partprobe, thanks. |
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| 22:06.11 | WoC | np, it would explain why it cant find the UUID |
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| 22:06.50 | Lope | WoC, thanks. however the UUID is the same. |
| 22:07.35 | WoC | I take it, it's an old BIOS, not UEFI but with GPT support ? |
| 22:07.54 | Lope | I dunno, whatever virtmanager default is |
| 22:07.57 | Lope | Will check. |
| 22:08.38 | WoC | if it's a full uefi, you can just make the efisys partition instead of the bios partition |
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| 22:09.35 | Lope | I see that KVM offers direct kernel boot |
| 22:09.49 | Lope | then grub becomes irrelevant |
| 22:10.14 | Lope | how can I change the bios to UEFI in virt manager. I've seen it before. |
| 22:12.41 | karlpinc | Lope: Is the problem grub or do you perhaps not have the right driver in the initrd? |
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| 22:13.32 | Lope | karlpinc, ah, I dunno. this is the first time I've ever used gpt in a VM |
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| 22:14.01 | Lope | i created a new VM using the same disk now. I selected UEFI x86_64 but it gets stuck in a UEFI shell. |
| 22:14.13 | Lope | Surely I can use the old style simple BIOS with gpt? |
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| 22:17.25 | VexToR | why didnt they name the release BUTTER |
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| 22:19.43 | annadane | i can't believe it's not butter |
| 22:19.53 | VexToR | the colloquial term "BUSTER" has some distasteful associations, in the future one should investigate the nomenclature more thoroughly before committing changes like that, I thought there was a policy of inclusion now |
| 22:20.18 | greycat | Go away. |
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| 22:21.00 | VexToR | I hands down refuse to use APACHE, as I am Native American, I assume many people were offended by this BUSTER thing in the same way |
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| 22:21.52 | Lope | sounds like you want to be offended and enjoy it. |
| 22:22.11 | Lope | if I make a piece of software and call it human will you be offended by that too? |
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| 22:22.29 | deego | Lope: if you call it the n word, should blacks be offended/ |
| 22:22.30 | VexToR | oh now he arms up with ops to censor the anti white surpemacist voices |
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| 22:22.47 | annadane | and now, there's *even less inclusiveness* |
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| 22:23.36 | Jaami | WoC: there was advanced setting in rufus where i enabled USB. advanced settings text was grayed out that is why i ignored it. i am now ready to reboot. hope it will replace windows on C with debian. |
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| 22:23.54 | Lope | well, if you think about it, if I make some software and name it "human" I'm either an anti-human, or I'm excluding the extra terrestrials and other mammals etc. |
| 22:24.09 | WoC | Ok, best of luck Jaami |
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| 22:24.40 | Lope | I don't see what's offensive about the name apache, is that derogatory? excuse my ignorance. |
| 22:25.00 | annadane | it's not offensive, that person is clearly trolling |
| 22:25.32 | WoC | The name was not related to the the tribe known as the Apache, it derives from a-patchy server |
| 22:25.42 | Lope | yeah, apache looks like a name, just like any other: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache |
| 22:26.07 | Lope | either a liberal or a troll. |
| 22:26.07 | greycat | And, for the record, buster is named for a character from one of the Toy Story movies. |
| 22:26.49 | WoC | And the "native americans" are actually from asia, there are no natives in the Americas, neither north nor south |
| 22:27.17 | Lope | I saw a funny definition of conservative vs liberal. Conservative: "I'm a vegetarian". Liberal "You should become a vegetarian." hahaha |
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| 22:28.04 | annadane | i would be at least a little sympathetic if someone did in fact find apache offensive but that person clearly isn't serious and is trolling based on the language used |
| 22:28.17 | WoC | Aye |
| 22:28.21 | annadane | i'd think it's a bit dumb to be offended but it isn't even a legitimate concern |
| 22:28.26 | annadane | it's purely to troll |
| 22:28.53 | WoC | Just looking to have a verbal fight... to each their own... ;P |
| 22:29.01 | Lope | Objectively I see nothing offensive about Apache. |
| 22:29.24 | Butt3rfly | believes that she is in fact butter so buster can gerroff :) |
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| 22:29.56 | binaryhermit | ur mom is in fact butter</troll> |
| 22:31.14 | Lope | I'm offended by Debian. I mean the ian dude made it. It should be Iandeb. it's so anti male. |
| 22:31.36 | WoC | lol |
| 22:31.56 | Lovepump | Power to the man. Down with the people. |
| 22:32.05 | Lope | Damn matriarical society! |
| 22:32.07 | WoC | I bet the next to be offended would be a natural hermaphrodite who is offended by the notion |
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| 22:32.57 | annadane | just don't pronounce it 'de-bain" |
| 22:33.07 | annadane | also, i mixed my quotation marks |
| 22:33.08 | WoC | Oui Oui |
| 22:33.31 | annadane | i guess 'deb-ian' and 'dee-bian' are both correct |
| 22:33.33 | Butt3rfly | offends all peoples native to earth and then paints rainbows and goes back to debian supporting |
| 22:33.35 | WoC | De`Bain ? |
| 22:33.48 | Rozha | hallo some one here ? |
| 22:33.52 | annadane | it should be deb-ian because of deborah but i hear a lot of folks pronounce it dee-bian |
| 22:33.55 | annadane | Rozha, yes, several |
| 22:33.55 | WoC | Maybe ;) |
| 22:34.04 | Rozha | bash: adduser: command not found |
| 22:34.05 | Rozha | root@i:~# adduser |
| 22:34.05 | Rozha | bash: adduser: command not found |
| 22:34.05 | Rozha | root@i:~# useradd |
| 22:34.05 | Rozha | bash: useradd: command not found |
| 22:34.05 | Rozha | root@i:~# |
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| 22:34.09 | annadane | quite. |
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| 22:34.20 | greycat | !buster su |
| 22:34.20 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 22:34.20 | Rozha | srry i dont know |
| 22:34.21 | annadane | Rozha, become root by su - |
| 22:34.23 | Rozha | ) |
| 22:34.28 | WoC | You seem to lack the PATH Rozha |
| 22:34.29 | annadane | yeah, like greycat/dpkg posted |
| 22:34.34 | Rozha | i am add su |
| 22:34.39 | greycat | Read. |
| 22:34.40 | annadane | su -, not su |
| 22:34.44 | annadane | note the - |
| 22:35.07 | WoC | or; su - root |
| 22:35.12 | Rozha | su - useradd ? |
| 22:35.26 | annadane | first of all you should probably use adduser |
| 22:35.30 | annadane | instead of useradd |
| 22:35.35 | annadane | adduser is a higher level more user friendly tool |
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| 22:35.52 | greycat | or, read what dpkg said |
| 22:36.13 | annadane | you can also use sudo which does contain the proper PATH |
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| 22:36.53 | greycat | all of this and more is on the wiki page that dpkg said to read... |
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| 22:36.55 | WoC | alsways use; sudo su - root |
| 22:37.06 | Rozha | annadane i new user istal debian what librery and maby tcl to install |
| 22:37.14 | greycat | WoC: surely you can add even MORE silly redundancies to it |
| 22:37.29 | WoC | Maybe, but it works for me ;) |
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| 22:37.35 | annadane | Rozha, your question is very vague and general. what do you want to do on your machine? |
| 22:37.45 | annadane | i know vaguely that tcl exists, but... |
| 22:37.49 | Rozha | https , mail server |
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| 22:39.08 | Rozha | apache or ngix for all users i mean www.www/~user |
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| 22:39.23 | WoC | Rozha: just curious but what would you write in tcl for ? |
| 22:40.29 | WoC | Besdes eggdrop, nothing comes to mind ;) |
| 22:40.32 | Lope | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L87w2yVir8o |
| 22:40.47 | Rozha | egddrop yes 1 |
| 22:41.00 | Rozha | but then for apache or ngix and mail server |
| 22:41.42 | annadane | i guess a good way to figure out what you need is to define what it is you need, they all have different strengths/trade-offs |
| 22:42.36 | annadane | is tempted to make an Offended Apache reference but it may/probably will confuse the user |
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| 22:43.12 | WoC | lol |
| 22:43.26 | annadane | apache itself probably has so many features that if you don't know what you're looking for it's probably fine to use it and if you're missing something then try something else |
| 22:43.35 | annadane | i don't know very much about this kind of stuff in detail |
| 22:43.57 | Lope | after being exposed to too much liberalism I watch this to detox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JttAR3-4fgg |
| 22:44.09 | WoC | Not to mention, you said https which would require a server certificate |
| 22:44.12 | annadane | okay, let's not make this politicial for no reason |
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| 22:44.52 | WoC | and for the mail server, a local server or a internet mail server ? (The latter would need dns records etc) |
| 22:45.21 | Lope | I'm not even american, I'm just allergic to that stuff. but ok cool, that's all I've got to share today :) |
| 22:45.30 | annadane | again, please no politics |
| 22:45.37 | WoC | heh |
| 22:45.38 | annadane | very unnecessary |
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| 22:46.16 | WoC | Dang it, now i have to watch it ;) |
| 22:47.02 | Rozha | how to start not grafic service only command ? |
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| 22:47.26 | Rozha | becouse when i run it starts grafic console |
| 22:47.44 | Rozha | how to run only console ? |
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| 22:49.09 | Lovepump | Rohza: Do you mean boot without X? |
| 22:49.11 | joepublic | I am kind of interested in the answer to this as well. |
| 22:49.25 | Rozha | yes |
| 22:49.27 | annadane | i know roughly what it is but i can't find the factoid for it |
| 22:49.37 | Lovepump | systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
| 22:49.41 | annadane | yeah, that |
| 22:49.43 | Lovepump | to put it back |
| 22:49.43 | ratrace | systemd.unit=multi-user.target in the kernel command line |
| 22:49.51 | Rozha | becouse X 10 minutes and it go to screen |
| 22:49.52 | Lovepump | systemctl set-default graphical.target |
| 22:50.18 | Lovepump | and if you want to boot to text mode, then fire up graphics after, |
| 22:50.20 | Rozha | and then reboot |
| 22:50.32 | Rozha | how to do it Lovepump |
| 22:50.34 | Lovepump | systemctl isolate graphical.target when you are in mulit-user |
| 22:50.49 | Rozha | and then reboot ? |
| 22:51.07 | Lovepump | if you are already in the graphical.target ya |
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| 22:52.15 | misteradler | can't we just stop X like other systemctl stop x without reeboot |
| 22:52.54 | Lovepump | ctrl-alt-backspace used to work (or some combo like that) |
| 22:53.05 | Lovepump | but it hasn't worked for me in a long time |
| 22:53.16 | ratrace | X is not started directly, but by the display manager |
| 22:53.26 | Rozha | systemctl isolate graphical.target its back to login mode users |
| 22:53.28 | Lovepump | makes sense |
| 22:53.34 | Lovepump | yes |
| 22:53.51 | Lovepump | if you want text mode: systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
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| 22:54.17 | Lovepump | from text mode if you want to go graphic without rebooting: systemctl isolate graphical.target |
| 22:54.45 | ratrace | I wonder if it really works as simple as that, no hiccups... |
| 22:54.50 | misteradler | does xinitrc count as a dm? |
| 22:55.18 | scala_pigs | the Apaches Logo has a feather in it |
| 22:55.26 | scala_pigs | its clearly racist |
| 22:55.32 | ratrace | misteradler: xinitrc is sourced by xinit which is spawned by startx which must be run after you log in, so technically not quite. |
| 22:55.38 | joepublic | against birds? |
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| 22:56.05 | scala_pigs | as a white guy with black friends I am apalled at the use of the term "buster" |
| 22:56.12 | annadane | !ops scala_pigs trolling |
| 22:56.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: annadane complains about a problem (see above) |
| 22:56.31 | scala_pigs | ^ white supremacy is rampant here |
| 22:56.39 | annadane | fuck off and go away. |
| 22:56.54 | joepublic | I am not seeing "startx" in any of this conversation on going from text to graphical |
| 22:57.03 | Lovepump | correct |
| 22:57.28 | Lovepump | but you can if you want |
| 22:57.54 | joepublic | or startxfce4 as the case may be |
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| 22:58.50 | annadane | that's what i hate about startx, in general. finding the right thing to start by name, unless i guess you use absolute path |
| 22:58.51 | Rozha | Lovepump it good it run for terminal it doesnot goes sleep ? |
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| 22:59.32 | Rozha | what to best for debian to install apache nginx ? apache and for email ? |
| 22:59.38 | annadane | it would be lovely to have them all organized in some sort of /usr/bin/startx/<list of xsessions you have installed> |
| 23:00.02 | misteradler | or just simply use sddm |
| 23:00.13 | annadane | depends, Rozha, there's different email solutions; a very simple MTA is dma |
| 23:00.15 | annadane | !dma |
| 23:00.15 | dpkg | [dma] (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access . To disable use of DMA with <libata> (not possible at run-time via hdparm), add the kernel command line option libata.dma=0 to your bootloader. For the MTA, ask me about <dragonfly>. |
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| 23:00.25 | annadane | !dragonfly |
| 23:00.25 | dpkg | The DragonFly Mail Agent (DMA) is a small mail transport agent designed for home and office use; it does not listen for incoming connections. Packaged for Debian as dma, not part of the Debian 7 "Wheezy" release. http://github.com/corecode/dma |
| 23:00.30 | ratrace | Rozha: my recommendation, nginx unless you need Apache specific functionality like per-directory .htaccess, or something else. email? postfix for smtp, dovecot for imap/pop3. |
| 23:00.42 | Rozha | @i:~# apt-get irssi |
| 23:00.42 | Rozha | E: Invalid operation irssi |
| 23:00.46 | ratrace | dma is not an MTA |
| 23:00.49 | Rozha | ls |
| 23:01.06 | annadane | it's apt-get install |
| 23:01.10 | annadane | apt-get install irssi |
| 23:01.16 | annadane | anyway, listen to ratrace |
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| 23:03.10 | ratrace | anyone with ability to modify factoids, dma is not an MTA, it's a nullmailer/MSA |
| 23:03.40 | Rozha | annadane what best apache or nginx to install ? |
| 23:03.50 | Rozha | nad whar best for web mail |
| 23:03.58 | annadane | Rozha, listen to ratrace, they answered you already ^ |
| 23:04.03 | ratrace | Rozha: Roundcube for webmail |
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| 23:04.28 | Rozha | dma ? |
| 23:04.35 | Rozha | first time here about |
| 23:04.53 | annadane | no, listen to ratrace |
| 23:05.04 | annadane | "my recommendation, nginx unless you need Apache specific functionality like per-directory .htaccess, or something else. email? postfix for smtp, dovecot for imap/pop3." |
| 23:05.06 | ratrace | well that was just a recommendation. |
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| 23:05.24 | annadane | !dragonfly |
| 23:05.24 | dpkg | The DragonFly Mail Agent (DMA) is a small nullmailer designed for home and office use; it does not listen for incoming connections. Packaged for Debian as dma, not part of the Debian 7 "Wheezy" release. http://github.com/corecode/dma |
| 23:05.48 | ratrace | awesomesauce! |
| 23:06.07 | Lovepump | Rohza - yes it will burn a login prompt into you monitor if you want |
| 23:06.07 | ZedHeadTed| | Never heard the term nullmailer before. |
| 23:06.11 | tds | worth removing the mention of wheezy as well? |
| 23:06.15 | annadane | yep |
| 23:06.17 | annadane | sorry |
| 23:06.21 | tds | considering it looks to have been in debian since jessie :) |
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| 23:08.30 | ratrace | well then if we're on the subject of the factoid, that "designed for home and office use" is grating my nerves a bit :) it's a nullmailer, suitable for any use case where a system needs to send email and there's an upstream MTA/smarthost available. it can be used quite well in server farms as well, so "home and office use" really means nothing. |
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| 23:08.46 | annadane | okayfinedoihavetodoeverythingmyself |
| 23:08.52 | annadane | (kidding, i'll edit that in) |
| 23:09.11 | ratrace | iwouldificould, sothanksfordoingthatforme<3 |
| 23:09.19 | annadane | you can, anyone can edit them |
| 23:09.21 | joepublic | I am pretty sure you could. |
| 23:09.34 | ratrace | oh? I thought..... oh well. i'll look it up how to do it. |
| 23:09.57 | ratrace | wonders how come nobody vandalized them yet :) |
| 23:09.58 | ZedHeadTed| | ratrace: Thanks. I was wondering what "nullmailer" and "home and office" had to do w/ eachother. |
| 23:10.34 | joepublic | in the distant past, except for home and home-office, everyone ran their own mailer and didn't get blackholed into spam folders |
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| 23:10.41 | joepublic | so it kind of makes historical sense |
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| 23:11.36 | annadane | !dragonfly |
| 23:11.36 | dpkg | The DragonFly Mail Agent (DMA) is a small nullmailer; suitable for cases where a system needs to send email and there's an upstream MTA/smarthost available. It does not listen for incoming connections. Packaged for Debian as dma. http://github.com/corecode/dma |
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| 23:11.47 | ratrace | awesomesauce! |
| 23:11.58 | ZedHeadTed| | ZedHeadTed|: Wish I could remember those days. Now you basically have to go with a big company for email or none of your family members will get anything from you. |
| 23:12.01 | joepublic | ah, so breathtaking it makes one cry |
| 23:12.33 | annadane | i like how we all have these lacking areas of knowledge :P i'm borderline useless, yet know how to edit dpkg factoids |
| 23:12.35 | Rozha | need some one help |
| 23:12.35 | Rozha | checking for APR... no |
| 23:12.35 | Rozha | configure: error: APR not found. Please read the documentation. |
| 23:12.35 | Rozha | root@i:~/httpd-2.4.43# |
| 23:12.53 | medard | ZedHeadTed|, how come? |
| 23:12.54 | ratrace | ZedHeadTed|: two years ago I'd vehemently disagree citing "I've been running an MTA for many years... blah blah blah". But in 2020 I'll agree with you instead, having seen GMail eat up or junk mail from us regularly, we never spam. |
| 23:13.15 | ratrace | regularly in the past year or two. |
| 23:13.16 | ZedHeadTed| | annadane: As Peter Griffin once said, "There are gaps in my knowledge, Lois." |
| 23:13.38 | annadane | watchers of family guy actively lose IQ point so that makes sense |
| 23:13.43 | medard | what's with this btw? I in our company we sometimes have to ask microsoft to whitelist some of our contractors mail domains |
| 23:13.43 | ratrace | Rozha: are you compiling something? |
| 23:13.44 | annadane | points* |
| 23:13.58 | medard | they get to decide which domains are legitimate? |
| 23:14.13 | ratrace | medard: it correlates with the advent of AI systems in email filtering |
| 23:14.36 | ratrace | guess the AI is still on the dumb side and has long way to go toward the uncanny valley |
| 23:14.37 | Rozha | httpd |
| 23:14.39 | medard | AI decides whether my domain is suspicious? |
| 23:14.49 | ratrace | Rozha: which one and why are you compiling it? |
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| 23:15.06 | ratrace | medard: gmail ran a series of articles about how they employ AI for spam filtering last year |
| 23:15.17 | Rozha | 2.4.43 debian 10 |
| 23:15.34 | ratrace | Rozha: you mean you're compiling Apache? But why? |
| 23:15.41 | ZedHeadTed| | Google is slowly making it so they will control almost everything. Things are getting more centralized. |
| 23:15.43 | Rozha | yes apache |
| 23:15.58 | joepublic | you have skipped the "why" question twice now |
| 23:16.33 | Rozha | ratrace i make ./configure give that mistake |
| 23:16.43 | ratrace | Rozha: WHY are you compiling Apache? |
| 23:16.44 | medard | Are their blacklists public? |
| 23:16.50 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I have a Debian system that provides PXE booting services for other network hosts, which I can use to boot them into Rescue mode. Now this system is in need of rescuing (it mysteriously hangs with no explanation in the syslog) so I'm wondering if I can put the Debian netinaller onto an LVM logical volume and boot to it? |
| 23:16.50 | joepublic | if you don't already have a clearly articulable reason to be compiling apache, probably best not to compile it, but rather install the binary. |
| 23:16.51 | ratrace | medard: nope |
| 23:16.55 | ZedHeadTed| | The majority of Internet traffic is going to the same 5-10 companies. |
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| 23:17.12 | Rozha | i want httpd for my little server |
| 23:17.18 | ratrace | Rozha: "apt install apache2" |
| 23:17.22 | medard | damn |
| 23:17.28 | ratrace | if you want apache. otherwise "apt install nginx" |
| 23:17.51 | annadane | google pisses me off because they're the ultimate "we will do whatever we want and take no responsibility and we are impossible to contact for any feedback that you can give to any of our 927 unethical practices" |
| 23:17.57 | medard | so nullmailer from my own domain is prorably useless because most of my friend who use gmail won't get it? |
| 23:18.12 | ratrace | medard: funny thing I've noticed with GMail is that sometimes mail just disappears. it accepts from US, but the recipient swears it's not anywhere, not in the inbox, not in the Junk folder, nowehere. |
| 23:18.15 | Rozha | ratrace and if i want for any user ./hhtp://www.localhost.www/~user |
| 23:18.18 | Rozha | ? |
| 23:18.25 | annadane | feels like the modern internet is built off of "we promise to do better" while not actually doing anything |
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| 23:18.47 | ratrace | Rozha: nginx can do that, though it's not automatic you need a location{} stanza |
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| 23:19.06 | medard | i never cared to investigate but is there a way to trace emails sent/received from/to gmail? |
| 23:19.07 | annadane | "we take your feedback very seriously" feels like "yeah, we say this, but really the corporate direction has already been decided in advance" |
| 23:19.17 | ratrace | annadane: it was actually. Google's moto was "Do no Evil" until they removed it from their... list of motos. :) |
| 23:19.30 | Rozha | debian start systemctl ?? |
| 23:19.36 | Rozha | or other command ? |
| 23:19.45 | ratrace | systemctl |
| 23:19.50 | annadane | Rozha, general piece of advice, stop rushing. slow down, figure out what you want to do |
| 23:19.57 | joepublic | taking feedback seriously doesn't mean you want to follow it; they might take it seriously to evaluate how well people are lying down for world conquest. or many other possible meanings. |
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| 23:21.17 | annadane | joepublic, yeah really. there has to be real world consequences for saying certain things |
| 23:21.24 | annadane | and there never is |
| 23:21.40 | Rozha | annadane from router port 80 open how to open from debian |
| 23:21.41 | somiaj | this does seem more appropriate for #debian-offtopic |
| 23:21.48 | joepublic | well, there only will be if the real world imposes said consequences, instead of trading freedom and privacy for immediate convenience. We're sunk. |
| 23:21.57 | tds | Rozha: you want to look at mod_userdir - https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_userdir.html |
| 23:21.58 | joepublic | point taken. |
| 23:22.37 | sponix | annadane: the Politicians and big corporations just set such a bad example of "say anything and get away with it" it is contagious |
| 23:22.41 | ratrace | medard: btw, you can use a nullmailer with GMail as upstream |
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| 23:22.57 | Rozha | annadane from router port 80 open how to open from debian |
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| 23:23.32 | Rozha | annadane mabe to unlock all ports ? |
| 23:23.52 | ratrace | Rozha: consult your router's documentation . by default, there's no packet filtering on Debian unless you configured it yourself. |
| 23:24.16 | ratrace | (I did assume you wanted to port forward / DNAT from WAN to LAN) |
| 23:24.26 | joepublic | in my case, I had to consult my ISP, who doesn't let me into the router. |
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| 23:26.54 | Rozha | ratrace ifconfig , debian is ? |
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| 23:27.35 | ratrace | Rozha: please use google translate. I don't speak yoda. |
| 23:27.54 | joepublic | ifconfig , debian is : ip link set, or something |
| 23:28.21 | ratrace | see you're assuming too much :) could've been ip addr set. or route. |
| 23:28.33 | joepublic | hence the "or something" :) |
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| 23:28.58 | Rozha | for looking ip and mac ? |
| 23:29.11 | joepublic | ip addr for that |
| 23:29.13 | Rozha | fedora linux was ifconfig |
| 23:29.16 | ratrace | (or even apt install ifconfig and blast away!) |
| 23:29.30 | joepublic | `ip addr` even |
| 23:29.31 | tds | net-tools is the package for ifconfig - but it's old and deprecated, avoid it |
| 23:29.34 | ratrace | fedora used ifconfig before they switched to iproute2 |
| 23:29.56 | joepublic | I wear many hats, but none is a fedora. |
| 23:29.56 | ratrace | oh indeed, net-tools |
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| 23:33.35 | misteradler | any recommended natural TTS? |
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| 23:33.50 | ratrace | a whatnow? |
| 23:34.00 | misteradler | text to speech |
| 23:34.04 | misteradler | espeak sucks balls |
| 23:34.09 | ratrace | Orca? |
| 23:34.09 | joepublic | they all do |
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| 23:35.17 | Rozha | joepublic what to use for webmail ? |
| 23:35.29 | Rozha | apache starts good thanks |
| 23:36.06 | joepublic | I have used squirrelmail before. |
| 23:36.38 | ratrace | Rozha: roundcube |
| 23:36.49 | ratrace | squirrel is.... does that thing even exist still? |
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| 23:37.09 | Lope | ratrace, ZedHeadTed| I've been running my own mailserver for 5 years. and I've also setup a transactional email address with mailgun. for my own mailserver, the first time I emailed foo@live.com microsoft asked me to fill out a manual application form to have my mailserver IP whitelisted because they said they blacklist all IPs by default. |
| 23:37.20 | joepublic | I dunno, this was not recently |
| 23:37.23 | tds | ,v squirrelmail |
| 23:37.24 | judd | Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2+deb8u4 |
| 23:37.34 | tds | so no, more or less :P |
| 23:37.34 | ratrace | I know there was a number of CVEs and then nobody did anything about it, some years ago. |
| 23:37.43 | ratrace | yea, it's ded, Jim. |
| 23:38.13 | tds | roundcube is nice, plus the packaging is good, should basically work out of the box with apache :) |
| 23:38.45 | Lope | ratrace, ZedHeadTed|: on my own mailserver I was a bit of a DNS noob at the time and made some mistakes, which caused some of my mail to go into spam folders. But in both cases for my own mailserver as well as a mailgun address, I improved my rating with google by sending emails to all my friends who had gmail addresses, asked them to add the email to their contact list and star it, before deleting it. It seemed to help. |
| 23:38.57 | ratrace | been using roundcube for several years now. But I hear there's a new contender, MailPile |
| 23:39.15 | Lope | I setup a new mailserver a few months ago. I've not had any issues with being regarded as spam. |
| 23:39.25 | ratrace | Lope: we automatically assign score 6.0 to all mail from Mailgun on our MTAs :) |
| 23:39.31 | ratrace | *spam score 6.0 |
| 23:39.53 | Lope | though my email address and domain itself has 5 years of track record now. |
| 23:40.07 | Lope | ratrace, 6/10? |
| 23:40.22 | Lope | that's a little harsh innit? |
| 23:40.30 | ratrace | no. 5.0 is (default) threshold for spamassassin. everything at 5.0 or above is spam. |
| 23:40.45 | ratrace | harsh? well... you tell me. I have yet to see a single ham from mailgun :) |
| 23:41.04 | Lope | well, I suppose most stuff should be regarded as likely spam until you whitelist. |
| 23:41.08 | ratrace | that thing is _designed_, it's raison d'etre, is to send bulk mail. |
| 23:41.44 | Lope | it's also been designed for legit transactional mail and designed to prevent abuse by users, innit? |
| 23:41.57 | ratrace | Lope: enter AI that can actually classify email. DNSBLs are... so early 2000s. |
| 23:41.58 | Lope | It's definitely time for bed. I'm talking like a yob. |
| 23:42.15 | Rozha | ratrace apt-get-install roundcube ? |
| 23:42.35 | ratrace | apt-get or apt, yes |
| 23:42.47 | Lope | regex viagra |
| 23:43.00 | Rozha | ratrace and wome config for all users ? |
| 23:43.04 | Lope | ratrace, do you actually use roundcube? |
| 23:43.13 | ratrace | though personally I install roundcube straight from upstream. they have concept of LTS and I manage to get updates way faster that way. |
| 23:43.18 | ratrace | Lope: yes, for years now. |
| 23:43.19 | Lope | ratrace, I've always tended to use thunderbird or android mail clients. |
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| 23:43.34 | ratrace | Rozha: please use google translate, I have no idea what you just said. |
| 23:43.42 | Lope | I prefer the speed of having my mail locally |
| 23:43.46 | joepublic | thunderbird and random.apk are hardly going to provide webmail for clients. |
| 23:44.08 | ratrace | Lope: well we have a webmail for hundreds of our users, and I'm using it too. |
| 23:45.07 | Lope | ratrace, do you provide a hosting service? |
| 23:45.34 | ratrace | Lope: the company I work for, we provide turnkey web solutions, hosting is part of it, but it's managed. you can't get direct access to it as a client. |
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| 23:46.02 | Lope | ratrace, my mailserver is mymail.myfoo.com but when I have emails and domains like qux@bar.com the email clients never get the mailserver incoming and outcoming hostname right. |
| 23:46.06 | Lope | I have to manually specify it |
| 23:46.16 | Lope | What's needed to make that work? |
| 23:46.44 | annadane | ironically, the conversation about email spam is spamming up the support channel (: |
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| 23:46.48 | Lope | sogo or something? |
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| 23:46.55 | ratrace | Lope: it never worked in my experience. all clients are trying the email domain, some will attempt smtp. or imap. prefix |
| 23:47.28 | Lope | ratrace, so do you send them instructions to put in the incoming and outgoing addresses manually? |
| 23:47.35 | Lope | I'm surprised it's not handled by DNS. |
| 23:47.54 | ratrace | there's some autoconfig way via http.... but..... it's a total mess that never worked correctly. what we do, we have a PDF instructions with pretty pictures on how to set it up, because you don't access your domain dot com, you access our MTA's hostname. because TLS certs and postfix couldn't do SNI unutil recently. |
| 23:48.26 | Lope | ratrace, exactly, they all try the email domain. And the problem with that is you can't have mymailserver.foo.com have a certificate for bar.com |
| 23:48.40 | Lope | so it's an unworkable scenario to support what mail clients attempt. |
| 23:49.00 | tharkun | Good $DAY I have some doubts regarding the html protocol and SOP and CORS "policies" I know this is not the place to ask but can someone redirect me to the appropiate channel please. |
| 23:49.01 | ratrace | Lope: well these days Postfix can do SNI, so I'll probably be reconfiguring our mail service to allow the clients to use their domains to connect. |
| 23:49.10 | ratrace | Lope: and Dovecot too |
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| 23:49.44 | Lope | ratrace, what does that involve? giving postfix and dovecot every client's domain's cert? |
| 23:49.52 | ratrace | tharkun: html is not protocol. and wth are SOP and CORS "policies" |
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| 23:50.20 | ratrace | Lope: yes. it's very easy, postfix for example has a simple map for that. forgot how dovecot does it |
| 23:50.26 | tharkun | ratrace: I meant http sorry for the misdirection |
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| 23:50.46 | Lope | ratrace, thanks for the tips. do you have a link? |
| 23:51.46 | tharkun | SOP Single Origin Policy CORS Cross Origin Resource Sharing both related to the way you acces data from APIs on other fqn:port |
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| 23:52.04 | tharkun | From the browser perspective. |
| 23:52.18 | ratrace | Lope: for postfix :: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#tls_server_sni_maps |
| 23:52.24 | squirrel | <ratrace> squirrel is.... does that thing even exist still? |
| 23:52.34 | squirrel | still kicking thank you very much |
| 23:52.36 | ratrace | Lope: for Dovecot :: https://wiki.dovecot.org/SSL/DovecotConfiguration#With_client_TLS_SNI_.28Server_Name_Indication.29_support |
| 23:52.36 | tharkun | In a nutshell the browser world response to insecure javascript |
| 23:52.53 | ratrace | squirrel: bwahahaha, k :) meant squirrelmail ;) |
| 23:52.56 | Lope | I setup an email address for my father. I sent him his email addr, password. Told him to click manual setup and set the incoming and outgoing hostname. He just kept complaining bitterly that it didn't work. Eventually with screenshots I drew on his screenshots. |
| 23:53.07 | Lope | The problem with users is they don't read. |
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| 23:53.34 | Lope | they skim for one piece of info and think everything can be accomplished if they just do 2 steps out of 5. |
| 23:53.46 | Lope | "it should work well enough" |
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| 23:54.00 | ratrace | Lope: For us the biggest problem is not server hostname. It's enforced TLS. the stupid client programs apparently aren't defaulting to it and the users have no idea what that even means |
| 23:54.08 | tharkun | Lope: There is a way to automagically set up an email client. I have seen it done on some domains. I haven't figured out how to do it. |
| 23:54.21 | tharkun | ratrace: port587 |
| 23:54.25 | Lope | "I'll just use my one password everywhere" "okay okay, I've got one secure password now, and then one insecure password" |
| 23:54.39 | ratrace | in addition, various outlooks have "Secure Password Authentication (SPA)" enabled by default which is totally some microsoft specific extension |
| 23:55.00 | Lope | tharkun, sogo is supposed to do it I think. I tried an auto setup thing for it. But it didn't work. |
| 23:55.12 | ratrace | tharkun: what about port 587? btw, STARTTLS should not be used. dedicated wrapped TLS port 465 should. |
| 23:55.24 | annadane | feels very stupid |
| 23:55.34 | Lope | ratrace, do you mean instead of STARTTLS? |
| 23:55.48 | ratrace | Lope: yes. read up RFC 8314 |
| 23:55.57 | Lope | ah, I've been using STARTTLS, Is it shit? |
| 23:56.01 | tharkun | ratrace: ssmtp I believe is deprecated. I will not quarel with you about it. |
| 23:56.18 | ratrace | Lope: it's plaintext until the client upgrades to TLS via STARTTLS... .so go figure. it's plaintext. |
| 23:56.27 | Rozha | ratrace i try install web mail and this gose no msql / |
| 23:56.28 | Rozha | ? |
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| 23:56.40 | Lope | ratrace, what part is sent via plaintext? |
| 23:57.12 | ratrace | Lope: initial connection and anything up until "STARTTLS" is issued. the client may even attempt sending user+pass and the server (if properly configured) will reject it, but the client already sent it. |
| 23:57.32 | Lope | ratrace, omg, that's bad. |
| 23:57.45 | ratrace | Lope: it's just stupid. plaintext until you upgrade to TLS... o'rly. 465 is better as it's dedicated TLS port. you ned 4-way handshake and there's no plaintext oopsie-I-forgot-starttls |
| 23:58.04 | Lope | ratrace, do you know offhand what settings are needed to select TLS? |
| 23:58.20 | ratrace | Lope: settings for what? |
| 23:58.22 | tharkun | apologizes 8314 superseeds 6409. Starts readding |
| 23:58.29 | Lope | dovecot |
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| 23:59.09 | Lope | ratrace, I've tried using TLS with my mailserver and it didn't work. So I stuck with starttls, and just assumed it would be good cos it has TLS in the name haha. |
| 23:59.45 | Lope | someone needs to make a new email protocol that uses SSH. |
| 23:59.45 | Rozha | ratrace i try install web mail and that you recomend this gose no msql / |
| 23:59.54 | Lope | that would be so much better. |
