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| 00:12.17 | Uter | You have the zero the neutrino detector. You can't all have a world neutrino dyson sphere because that would give wrong readings... |
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| 00:13.42 | Uter | You measure it by how much it slows down with triangualtion. |
| 00:13.47 | Uter | You measure it by how much it slows down with triangulation. |
| 00:16.29 | AlexandreHocquet | Hi there. I have a noob question. Recently installed buster (with non-free to get wifi to work with iwlwifi) on a new Dell Latitude 7400. Basic functionalities are working, but I'm guessing the video card lacks a proper driver. |
| 00:16.53 | somiaj | what graphics card do you have. It is probably missing firmware too. |
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| 00:17.06 | AlexandreHocquet | From here : https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201902-26863 I am guessing that I would need a driver for Intel UHD Graphics 620 (Whiskey Lake) (8086:3ea0) |
| 00:17.14 | Uter | I am just trying to help... |
| 00:17.29 | AlexandreHocquet | Yep, thx AMj Uter |
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| 00:17.50 | somiaj | you most likely need some missing firmware, I think the firwmare you need is in the firmware-misc-nonfree package |
| 00:18.02 | AlexandreHocquet | Does anyone have an idea if a driver exists for this one ? |
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| 00:18.32 | AlexandreHocquet | thx somiaj |
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| 00:19.28 | AlexandreHocquet | according to synaptic, firmware-misc-nonfree is already installed |
| 00:21.37 | AlexandreHocquet | I also found this : http://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=pci:8086-3ea0-17aa-5072 |
| 00:21.59 | somiaj | what is the output of dmesg | grep i915 |
| 00:22.01 | AlexandreHocquet | ... but can't get how to actually install the right driver |
| 00:22.35 | somiaj | the driver is i915 and already installed |
| 00:22.52 | AlexandreHocquet | [ 1.321080] i915 0000:00:02.0: vgaarb: deactivate vga console |
| 00:22.52 | AlexandreHocquet | [ 1.324200] i915 0000:00:02.0: vgaarb: changed VGA decodes: olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=io+mem:owns=io+mem |
| 00:22.52 | AlexandreHocquet | [ 1.324231] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin |
| 00:22.52 | AlexandreHocquet | [ 1.324672] [drm] Finished loading DMC firmware i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin (v1.4) |
| 00:22.52 | AlexandreHocquet | [ 1.374788] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20190619 for 0000:00:02.0 on minor 0 |
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| 00:23.47 | thekla | Hi! I'm pretty new to IRC but why Alexandre was kicked? |
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| 00:24.05 | Sleaker | thekla: flooding |
| 00:24.11 | thekla | OK ;) |
| 00:24.16 | somiaj | thekla: flood, we don't want people psating into the channel but using a pastebing |
| 00:24.19 | somiaj | !pastebin |
| 00:24.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:24.23 | HeilGermany | The European Union will crumble, starting with the not-so-Great Britain |
| 00:24.26 | HeilGermany | but have no fear |
| 00:24.31 | dvs | heh |
| 00:24.35 | HeilGermany | europe will soon be re-united |
| 00:24.37 | thekla | Thx for the info! |
| 00:24.38 | HeilGermany | under German rule |
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| 00:25.00 | AlexandreHocquet | ok thx. so I'm looking for i915 |
| 00:25.02 | dvs | !tell AlexandreHocquet about flood |
| 00:25.12 | somiaj | AlexandreHocquet: your driver and firmware look just fine, what makes you think things arne't installed. |
| 00:26.12 | AlexandreHocquet | somiaj : the behaviour in 3D graphics in a game as compared the same game in other machines |
| 00:26.35 | rander2 | after I load a script in hping3 with " source script.htcl" how may I execute it if it don't start automatically ? |
| 00:26.48 | somiaj | AlexandreHocquet: intel gpus aren't often the best for gaming, what gpus are the other machines using? |
| 00:27.07 | AlexandreHocquet | somiaj : nvidia possibly |
| 00:27.24 | somiaj | that could be the reason |
| 00:27.26 | AlexandreHocquet | but i'm gonna check |
| 00:28.14 | AlexandreHocquet | got it. thx somiaj. so you're saying that according to the "dmesg|grep i915", the driver is up and running ? |
| 00:28.24 | somiaj | AlexandreHocquet: from what I saw |
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| 00:29.08 | AlexandreHocquet | Ok, good to know. thx a lot for the tip |
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| 00:31.24 | dvs | !exit |
| 00:31.24 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 00:31.44 | AlexandreHocquet | ah ah yep. and sorry for the flood |
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| 00:33.02 | annadane | :q! |
| 00:33.39 | dvs | don't edit us! |
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| 00:44.59 | thekla | I'm trying to expand my linux knowledge. Does anyone has a book-recommendation regarding a more "linux in-depth" approach? Or do you believe in other ressources? |
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| 00:46.53 | Iarfen | hi! |
| 00:46.55 | Iarfen | which is debian official repository? |
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| 00:49.15 | thekla | Hi! It depends on your installed release. But you can find the default repos in "/etc/apt/sources.list". |
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| 00:51.48 | Someone_Else | https://pastebin.com/Dy2SE03q for some reason, the ipv6 nat working, while the ipv4 nat is working fine |
| 00:52.19 | Someone_Else | net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding is set to 1 |
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| 00:53.13 | Someone_Else | it counts the packets both for v4 and v6, but there is no response for v6 (and yes, the address is working internally) |
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| 01:00.24 | annadane | !newcomer |
| 01:00.24 | dpkg | Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea. |
| 01:00.31 | annadane | thekla, ^ for debian specifically |
| 01:00.42 | annadane | thekla, otherwise, The Linux Command Line is a good book |
| 01:00.53 | annadane | http://www.linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php/ |
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| 01:07.44 | Someone_Else | if all you do is point people to a generic manual, what is the purpose of having such a channel anyway? |
| 01:07.50 | Someone_Else | anyway, it has been solved |
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| 01:11.13 | thekla | Thx for the reading ressources! |
| 01:11.48 | thekla | \quit |
| 01:12.06 | thekla | whoops ;) |
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| 01:27.07 | whislock | Someone_Else: IPv6 doesn't do NAT. |
| 01:27.32 | Someone_Else | whislock: it does though |
| 01:28.20 | whislock | Okay, let me rephrase. If you're doing NAT with IPv6, you're doing it wrong. |
| 01:28.21 | Someone_Else | sure, in most situations you need to take advantage of virtually unlimited addresses and assign each host a global routable ip |
| 01:28.32 | whislock | You should NEVER be implementing NAT with IPv6. |
| 01:28.49 | Someone_Else | whislock: depends on how you look at it |
| 01:29.55 | whislock | From the perspective of sane network design, standards, the IETF, and just about any other reasonable viewpoint. |
| 01:30.44 | whislock | Also from the perspective of someone that's been doing large-scale IPv6 network design and rollouts for about 15 years. |
| 01:31.19 | whislock | Yes, you can. The capability exists. But the degree to which you shouldn't is extreme. |
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| 02:25.32 | sphrack | whislock: it would be cool if you could expand on why it's such a bad idea |
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| 02:45.31 | whislock | NAT was necessary in the IPv4 world simply because there aren't enough public allocations to go around. NAT is horrid in IPv4, but it's a necessary evil. In IPv6, it's completely pointless. Anything that sits in the middle of a connection and changes packet routing information is GOING to break things, and for no good reason. |
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| 02:46.37 | whislock | IPv6 NAT gives you zero benefit for the drawbacks. |
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| 02:47.53 | whislock | ULA addresses are great for environments whose global-scope prefixes aren't stable for whatever reason. They're routable internally, but not externally, and that's fine if they only need to be consistently reachable by internal clients. They're roughly analogous to RFC 1918 addresses in IPv4. They are NOT meant to be used for NAT. |
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| 02:49.40 | sphrack | whislock: interesting, thank you |
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| 05:32.50 | raven7 | synaptic reports broken package when trying to install audacious, or, vlc, or, man-db and is apparently unable to fix them... thoughts? |
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| 05:46.12 | nkuttler | !bat |
| 05:46.12 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 05:58.03 | SE7EN` | dpkg -i more_cowbell |
| 05:58.04 | dpkg | package more_cowbell is already installed |
| 05:58.09 | SE7EN` | -_- |
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| 06:12.32 | factor | debian 10 |
| 06:13.22 | factor | nvm works on my iso image of debian 10 , just no the qcow2 |
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| 10:28.37 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 10:30.21 | Azrael_- | i installed openvpn and if i run "openvpn server.conf" everything works just fine. but if i start it as server "service openvpn start" then the server doesn't listen on the port. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 10:34.39 | theor | Hi. I need to run a oneshot service at boot, but late in the boot process so plymouth-qui-wait doesn't wait for it. I tried "after=gdm.service" but it still appears in the systemd-blame analyse list |
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| 10:35.04 | theor | Is there a way to tell it to start once the boot process is finished? |
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| 10:40.41 | humbot | a oneshot service |
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| 10:41.33 | theor | humbot: it already is one, but it still postpones the boot ending |
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| 10:53.55 | nevivurn | Azrael_-: openvpn.service is just a goal, you probably want to use openvpn@server.service (or openvpn-server@something.service, depending on where you put the .conf). |
| 10:54.38 | nevivurn | s/goal/target/ |
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| 11:04.48 | Azrael_- | thanks, that did it. i really have to dig into this topic in the near future |
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| 11:32.00 | Nozzzle | hello, is there a guide page for installing current thunderbird, like there is one to install firefox? |
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| 11:32.09 | Nozzzle | couldn't find it |
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| 11:35.55 | veikko | https://wiki.debian.org/Icedove |
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| 11:38.02 | nw87 | hi |
| 11:38.36 | Nozzzle | the info that I need is not on that link |
| 11:38.38 | ratrace | Nozzzle: "like there is to install firefox" -- is there not for thunderbird as well? |
| 11:39.07 | Nozzzle | ratrace, no |
| 11:39.42 | ratrace | Nozzzle: how do you mean. on debian, you can install it in 3 ways: 1) pull in from sid or backport, 2) install tarball from upstream (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/installing-thunderbird-linux) 3) use a snap or flatpak |
| 11:39.44 | nw87 | i am configuring a ufw firewall with a standard deny in/out policy. When i open ports: should localhost (loopback) be opened for in and out? |
| 11:39.45 | Nozzzle | here it is outlined how to replace firefox; https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox...there is not a similar page for tb |
| 11:39.49 | ratrace | it being both firefox and thunderbird methinks |
| 11:40.12 | whislock | What are we talking about? |
| 11:40.15 | whislock | apt install thunderbird |
| 11:40.19 | ratrace | nw87: of course, why would you packet filter lo? |
| 11:40.23 | ratrace | whislock: "latest" |
| 11:40.28 | Nozzzle | ratrace, if I use flatpak, do I need to remove the existing version? |
| 11:40.38 | ratrace | Nozzzle: probably not as flatpak/snap are isolated |
| 11:40.47 | whislock | Thunderbird hasn't REALLY changed in ages, why is the latest needed at all? |
| 11:40.56 | ratrace | might be a clash in calling them up via PATH, unless you use absolute paths, though |
| 11:41.11 | whislock | ,v thunderbird |
| 11:41.13 | judd | Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:60.8.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:60.9.0-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:60.9.0-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:60.9.0-1; jessie-security: 1:68.2.2-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 1:68.2.2-1~deb9u1; buster-security: 1:68.2.2-1~deb10u1; sid: 1:68.3.0-2 |
| 11:41.29 | Nozzzle | tb may not have changed. but its add-ons do |
| 11:41.44 | nw87 | ratrace: yes, but does this in principle mean that "inbound" needs to be open explicitly as well? |
| 11:41.44 | whislock | Which addon are you having an issue with? |
| 11:42.14 | nw87 | or is that given per default even in in a deny policy |
| 11:42.28 | Nozzzle | ratrace, excellent, flatpak has the version I need |
| 11:42.30 | ratrace | nw87: well yes, plenty of services listen on localhost and require it working properly |
| 11:42.32 | Nozzzle | whislock, lightning |
| 11:42.34 | whislock | nw87: loopback should be completely exempt from filtering |
| 11:42.59 | whislock | Nozzzle: Lightning works with any 68.x version. |
| 11:43.00 | nw87 | ratrace ok and for ipv4 and ipv6, i assume |
| 11:43.03 | whislock | Nozzzle: You're doing this for nothing. |
| 11:43.03 | Nozzzle | that said, what would you recommend to use in order to sync calendars between computers? |
| 11:43.11 | nw87 | meaning 127.0.0.1 and ::1 |
| 11:43.19 | Nozzzle | whislock, debian has v. 60 |
| 11:43.23 | ratrace | nw87: yes, but note ::1 will be tried first by programs. |
| 11:43.39 | Nozzzle | unless I install older add-on versions, it doesnt work |
| 11:43.42 | whislock | Nozzzle: Then update your system. |
| 11:43.42 | nw87 | ratrace well yes i'll define both |
| 11:43.56 | Nozzzle | thanks whislock |
| 11:44.15 | whislock | Nozzzle: That's all it takes. 68.2 is available as a security update. |
| 11:44.38 | whislock | for jessie, stretch, and buster. Save yourself a LOT of annoyance. :P |
| 11:44.39 | ratrace | nw87: I don't know what ufw does internally and "by default". I'm guessing if it's sane at all, it'd leave lo alone (unfiltered). |
| 11:44.48 | Nozzzle | I run update regularly and no tb update has happened yet |
| 11:44.48 | whislock | nw87: Don't do that. |
| 11:44.55 | whislock | Nozzzle: Let me see your sources list. |
| 11:45.02 | Nozzzle | one sec |
| 11:45.03 | whislock | nw87: When i said loopback, I meant the interface, not just two protocols. |
| 11:45.26 | nw87 | whislock i see |
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| 11:45.35 | ratrace | nw87: indeed, some programs listen on other 127.0.0.0/8 addresses |
| 11:45.45 | ratrace | leave lo alone! leave britney alone! :) |
| 11:45.48 | whislock | Or use protocols that aren't TCP or UDP. |
| 11:46.00 | nw87 | no, i did not mean the hw interface loopback, sry |
| 11:46.26 | ratrace | this is starting to smell like |
| 11:46.28 | ratrace | !xy |
| 11:46.28 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 11:46.33 | wojtek | how to install nvidia 435 in debeian? |
| 11:46.39 | whislock | nw87: First off... What are you doing? |
| 11:47.06 | whislock | I'm pre-caffeine, and ratrace is right. Let's get down to the overall objective. |
| 11:47.06 | wojtek | nvidia geforce 940 MX driver |
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| 11:47.35 | wojtek | micro gpu/ micro shit |
| 11:47.42 | nw87 | whislock im in a local network and am configuring a ufw wirewall on a client in such a way that only selective ports are open, which are in use |
| 11:47.52 | whislock | nw87: Okay, so basic host firewall, then. |
| 11:47.57 | nw87 | as well as all necessary network protocols |
| 11:47.58 | whislock | nw87: What have you done so far? |
| 11:48.32 | nw87 | so far i have dns 53 open outgoing |
| 11:48.37 | whislock | Don't filter outgoing. |
| 11:48.39 | whislock | At all. |
| 11:48.41 | nw87 | which allows adress resolution |
| 11:48.45 | whislock | It's essentially pointless. |
| 11:48.48 | wojtek | 2019 tearing in debian LOL |
| 11:49.14 | nw87 | whislock, but that was the point |
| 11:49.20 | whislock | nw87: No, filtering inbound is the point. |
| 11:49.34 | nw87 | inbound is filtered anyway |
| 11:49.42 | whislock | Okay, then you're done. |
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| 11:50.20 | whislock | Trust me, outbound filtering at the host level is essentially worthless. |
| 11:50.21 | nw87 | whislock but i wand ufw to log outgoing on selective ports |
| 11:50.28 | nw87 | *want |
| 11:50.52 | whislock | Okay. Help me understand a little more? What do you want to log, and why? |
| 11:50.57 | nw87 | meaning all ports that are not explicitly defined |
| 11:50.58 | ratrace | whislock: why do you think so? it's a valuable layer when locking down the system (but you need to know what you're doing) |
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| 11:51.46 | nw87 | whislock i'd like to monitor ANY requests that have not been defined explicitly |
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| 11:51.59 | nw87 | as beiing known |
| 11:52.05 | whislock | ratrace: And here's why. |
| 11:52.12 | whislock | nw87: All of your internal hosts have firewalls, right? |
| 11:52.47 | nw87 | well the router has one |
| 11:53.12 | nw87 | but it is a sort of standard config |
| 11:53.19 | whislock | So, here's the deal. You manage all of your internal hosts. The real issue is "what connections are my hosts making to things outside my network, that I don't control?" |
| 11:53.41 | whislock | You could manage that on every single host, which is the bad idea... or configure your outbound filtering on the gateway device. |
| 11:53.46 | whislock | I.e. router/firewall. |
| 11:54.06 | whislock | Since that's the thing that everything has to go through, that's the right place to configure outbound filtering or monitoring. |
| 11:54.28 | nw87 | whislock but what if i find services internally that are unnknown |
| 11:54.42 | ratrace | not quite. you can filter outbound packet per originating UID. that's what I do, for example, for e-mail ports. only postfix is allowed outbound connections to port 25 |
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| 11:54.55 | nw87 | on the local network |
| 11:55.06 | ratrace | so a rando PHP vuln/malware can't smtlib their way into spamming by ignoring local MTA policies |
| 11:55.26 | ratrace | thus a general " outbound filtering at the host level is essentially worthless" I disagree with as a blanket statement. |
| 11:55.56 | whislock | Okay. Then go nuts, have fun. |
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| 11:57.14 | whislock | nw87: When you opened DNS outbound, did you specify as 53, or 53/udp? |
| 11:57.21 | nw87 | well i did not expect to get the answer "better don't do it" |
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| 11:57.59 | nw87 | that does not help any further, i think |
| 11:58.13 | f8e3 | how to verify ba binary included in hashes.txt with gpg? |
| 11:58.45 | ratrace | nw87: outbound filtering makes sense in a particular set of cases, like in my example, when you filter by originating UID, or per-host policy for dst IPs for different services. |
| 11:58.47 | nw87 | whislock it's for udp and tcp |
| 11:58.51 | whislock | nw87: Okay, good. |
| 11:59.16 | nevivurn | f8e3: assuming the "hashes.txt" includes actual hashes and not gpg signatures, you don't need gpg. |
| 11:59.23 | nw87 | should that be open for inbound as well? |
| 11:59.33 | whislock | nw87: No, return traffic is automatically allowed. |
| 11:59.36 | f8e3 | nevivurn indeed, ye ti have to search through .txt meh |
| 11:59.39 | nevivurn | f8e3: just good old shasum -c hashes.txt or so. |
| 11:59.51 | whislock | nw87: You'll see an iptables rule that says, basically, 'allow established/related traffic inbound'. |
| 11:59.52 | nw87 | ah i see |
| 12:00.48 | nw87 | whislock but i also found out the though icmpv6 is allowed in before.rules |
| 12:00.54 | whislock | nw87: Yup. |
| 12:01.00 | whislock | nw87: And don't mess with it. |
| 12:01.09 | nw87 | this setting does not seem to be enabled |
| 12:01.31 | nw87 | as ping is currently not working |
| 12:01.44 | whislock | nw87: Not enough information. |
| 12:02.04 | nw87 | yeah well one moment... |
| 12:02.08 | whislock | ratrace: The only time outbound filtering even begins to make sense is when you can apply that much context to it. Note I didn't disagree with you. :) |
| 12:02.42 | nw87 | PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data.From 192.168.1.xxx icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable |
| 12:03.00 | whislock | nw87: Your internal IPs aren't sensitive, there's no need to mask them. |
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| 12:03.24 | whislock | nw87: Have you changed -anything- with ufw's config except via the ufw command? |
| 12:03.29 | nw87 | whislock that was only the output from the ping command |
| 12:03.34 | Nozzzle | whislock, here it is; http://paste.debian.net/plainh/974ed0b2 |
| 12:03.35 | nw87 | not a filter rule |
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| 12:04.12 | nw87 | whislock, no the ufw before.rules and after.rules remain untouched |
| 12:04.22 | whislock | Nozzzle: Well, thunderbird 68.2 is a security update to stretch, so I'm not certain why you haven't gotten it. |
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| 12:06.01 | whislock | ,v thunderbird --release stretch-security |
| 12:06.02 | judd | Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- stretch-security: 1:68.2.2-1~deb9u1 |
| 12:06.03 | whislock | Nozzzle: ^ |
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| 12:07.46 | nw87 | https://serverfault.com/questions/649730/ping-and-traceroute-does-not-work-when-ufw-deny-outgoing-by-default |
| 12:08.11 | whislock | Nozzzle: Hmm. Can I get the output of another command, please? |
| 12:09.24 | whislock | Nozzzle: apt-cache policy thunderbird |
| 12:09.32 | nw87 | basically i want to ensure that OSI-Layer 3 protocols remain active and working |
| 12:11.29 | nw87 | but they are not port specific anyway so i did not expect that these are subject to be limited |
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| 12:12.38 | ratrace | nw87: so what problem are you having there? |
| 12:13.20 | nw87 | ratrace ping <ipaddress> gives the output posted above |
| 12:13.30 | ratrace | nw87: did you allow icmp? |
| 12:14.53 | nw87 | i can not define a custom rule for this and only point to before.rules where this is allowed as per default |
| 12:15.21 | whislock | nw87: Inbound or outbound? |
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| 12:16.50 | nw87 | INPUT and FORWARD is in before.rules |
| 12:17.33 | nw87 | ah but not in after.rules |
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| 12:17.42 | nw87 | per default |
| 12:18.14 | nw87 | that may be the reason |
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| 12:18.37 | whislock | INPUT and FORWARD are not OUTPUT. |
| 12:18.45 | nw87 | i believe that an additional entry is necessary here in after.rules |
| 12:19.35 | whislock | Or before. |
| 12:19.47 | whislock | It's not the file that matters, it's the chain that it's manipulating. |
| 12:19.56 | nw87 | k |
| 12:20.36 | nw87 | but in general it's like before.rules --> custom.rules --> after.rules |
| 12:21.08 | nw87 | when looking at the sequence of how the settings are applied in ufw? |
| 12:21.11 | whislock | Yes, which determines where those rules are in processing. |
| 12:21.18 | nw87 | good |
| 12:21.21 | whislock | I know very well how ufw works. |
| 12:21.32 | whislock | It would be easiest to add an ICMP outbound rule to before.rules. |
| 12:21.38 | nw87 | so i'll write it to before.rules then |
| 12:22.11 | nw87 | as the FORWARD and INPUT rules for icmp are there as well |
| 12:22.24 | nw87 | makes sense then |
| 12:22.42 | nw87 | ok, ill try that and test again |
| 12:23.46 | nw87 | may have to deal with arp and igmp as well, but that's a second topic |
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| 12:25.00 | whislock | ARP isn't an IP layer protocol and won't be affected by ufw. |
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| 12:25.28 | Nozzzle | i was just upgrading thunderbird only, and my monitor was gone for thirty seconds (with flickers alongside the edge), and then computer shut down. |
| 12:25.54 | Nozzzle | now trying it again |
| 12:26.20 | nw87 | whislock i see |
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| 12:27.03 | nw87 | yeah it works! great :-) |
| 12:28.35 | nw87 | whislock just noticed that ARP is OSI-Layer 1 - 2 (Link) |
| 12:28.45 | whislock | 2. |
| 12:29.13 | serverman | l2 arp |
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| 12:29.48 | nw87 | ah, well i only have a grouping here in my reference |
| 12:30.18 | nw87 | not very detailled then |
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| 12:34.13 | nw87 | oh and an out-rule for icmpv6 also makes sense of course |
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| 12:36.10 | nw87 | interestingly these are available per default in before6.rules |
| 12:36.47 | whislock | IPv4 can function without ICMP. IPv6 can't. |
| 12:38.10 | nw87 | as you say that, this reminds me that i've read something alike before |
| 12:38.23 | ratrace | <nitpick>ICMPv6</nitpick> (important for rules tho) |
| 12:38.47 | whislock | There's such a thing as context. |
| 12:38.56 | nw87 | ratrace: can u explain? |
| 12:39.06 | whislock | He's being pedantic for its own sake. |
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| 12:45.46 | nw87 | in before.rules i also find # allow all on loopback |
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| 12:46.53 | Nozzzle | how can I sync calendars between two computers? |
| 12:46.57 | nw87 | so if i set a custom rule for tcp & udp for IN/OUT on ::1 and 127.0.0.1 for all interfaces this does not seem to affect the lo setting there |
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| 12:48.58 | whislock | nw87: It shouldn't be touching lo at all. |
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| 12:54.04 | nw87 | whislock well that custom rule is defined for all interfaces including lo |
| 12:54.51 | nw87 | why lo is in that list - i don't know, but i've selected all |
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| 12:55.06 | nw87 | meaning option "all" |
| 12:55.34 | nw87 | otherwise one would have to set the same rule for every interface |
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| 13:12.46 | nw87 | what about dhcp and dhcpv6? i assume these ports should be open inbound to allow ip address distribution |
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| 13:17.39 | ratrace | nw87: dhcp inbound falls under "related" |
| 13:19.10 | nw87 | u mean "conntrack" ? |
| 13:20.55 | nw87 | no other "related" found in before.rules |
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| 13:37.52 | tekk | anyone had problems with e1000e based network adaptors resetting on recent kernels? |
| 13:38.00 | tekk | (mine are embedded NIC's inside Intel NUC's) |
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| 13:41.02 | nw87 | ratrace: dhcp is in before.rules as well |
| 13:41.11 | nw87 | found it |
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| 13:42.37 | RoyK | tekk: never seen that - btw - what's a NUC? |
| 13:43.01 | tekk | Intel NUC |
| 13:43.03 | tekk | its a mini PC |
| 13:43.06 | tekk | make great little servers |
| 13:43.14 | tekk | (for non critical hobbyist needs) |
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| 13:47.47 | RoyK | how does it reset? |
| 13:47.50 | RoyK | anything in dmesg? |
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| 13:52.50 | abrotman | does it complain about missing firmware? |
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| 14:27.54 | Malivaso | oh hi |
| 14:28.32 | Malivaso | does anyone else exist? |
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| 14:28.43 | Malivaso | hi |
| 14:29.00 | Malivaso | does anyone else use hex chat? |
| 14:29.08 | h4x0riz3d | a bunch of people |
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| 14:29.27 | Malivaso | cool |
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| 14:30.08 | Malivaso | is everyone here on a pi, or just on the freenode website |
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| 14:31.38 | whislock | Malivaso: Do you have a specific Debian issue that you need hel pwith? |
| 14:32.11 | whislock | s/hel /help / |
| 14:32.31 | Malivaso | wlan0 only appears whenever i use sudo shutdown -r now |
| 14:32.52 | Malivaso | though when it turns on without it, wlan0 is not found |
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| 14:37.32 | EdePopede | Malivaso: is the hardware always found? |
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| 14:39.39 | jim | Malivaso, what does it say when you run: ls /sys/class/net |
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| 14:44.30 | Malivaso | it says eth0 lo and wlan0 now, but if i use "reboot" or click shutdown, when it turns back on they are gone |
| 14:44.44 | Malivaso | i have to use "sudo shutdown -r now" to restart it and it comes back |
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| 14:46.31 | jim | so there's a difference in what happens, depending on how you reboot? |
| 14:46.50 | horribleprogram | Malivaso: can you show me the output of systemctl status NetworkManager |
| 14:47.55 | jim | you may wish to use: systemctl status NetworkManager 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 14:48.32 | jim | then any errors that may occur will appear in the pastebin |
| 14:49.55 | Malivaso | yeah, when i use "reboot" there are no network interfaces |
| 14:50.02 | Malivaso | eth0 doesn't even exist |
| 14:50.11 | horribleprogram | Malivaso: can I see the output of systemctl get-default |
| 14:50.21 | Malivaso | i'll have to restart to get the outputs, brb |
| 14:50.43 | Malivaso | im talking on the pi |
| 14:50.58 | horribleprogram | ahh lol |
| 14:51.05 | Malivaso | so if i reboot without sudo shutdown -r now, and use rbeoot, it will show no interfaces |
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| 14:51.47 | horribleprogram | There's so many reasons why this might be happening |
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| 14:52.25 | Malivaso | Back |
| 14:52.39 | horribleprogram | okay let's see systemctl get-default |
| 14:52.42 | horribleprogram | before we proceed |
| 14:52.57 | horribleprogram | should be something like graphical.target |
| 14:53.03 | Malivaso | It's booting now |
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| 14:53.14 | horribleprogram | take your time :) |
| 14:53.16 | Malivaso | I'm going to check the output |
| 14:53.29 | horribleprogram | 09:51 horribleprogram: There's so many reasons why this might be happening |
| 14:53.51 | horribleprogram | that's why we're asking for some information |
| 14:54.41 | benjr | first time debian install (10.2.0) i chose install, not graphical install, and on first boot its taken me to a gui, how do i change it so it boots to commandline? |
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| 14:55.48 | horribleprogram | change your "run-level" which systemd implements as runlevel3.target or something |
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| 14:56.09 | LtL | benjr: $ systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
| 14:56.22 | horribleprogram | I think runlevel3.target is the one that boots into non-graphical and also gives you networking |
| 14:56.28 | horribleprogram | sorry yes, multi-user.target |
| 14:57.09 | benjr | oh yes i definitely want networking, i intend to setup ssh and only ever manage this system remotely |
| 14:57.38 | Malivaso | Do you need to go into raspberry pi configuration and enable SSH? |
| 14:57.47 | horribleprogram | that's precisely what I do with my Debian computer |
| 14:57.58 | horribleprogram | I'm on a macOS, and I ssh into it and do all my work like that |
| 14:58.12 | horribleprogram | even though my Debian computer is literally 5 feet away from me |
| 14:58.41 | Malivaso | Also, since I installed the cinnamon and gnome desktop, there are extra icons on my LXDE task bar and I can't get rid of them |
| 14:59.02 | Malivaso | How come when I say the, it turns green? |
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| 15:01.15 | livebrain | Malivaso: on a fresh install, before booting you need to add a file called ssh to /boot |
| 15:01.23 | livebrain | that will enable sshd |
| 15:01.59 | Malivaso | k |
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| 15:03.06 | humbot | orly? |
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| 15:05.07 | Malivaso | Wait, can you create an irc with freenode? |
| 15:05.34 | humbot | you can create your own channel |
| 15:05.58 | Malivaso | ._. |
| 15:06.01 | Malivaso | Epic |
| 15:06.18 | Malivaso | I didn't know that was possible |
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| 15:07.27 | jim | just join a nonexistant channel, and it gets created |
| 15:08.26 | r3 | see [ https://freenode.net/kb/answer/channels ] and [ https://freenode.net/policies ] |
| 15:08.43 | jim | Malivaso, because there's someone here named "the" :) |
| 15:09.01 | r3 | Primary channels, which begin with a single # character, are reserved for on-topic projects. If youâd like to take over one of these channels, then youâll need to be associated in some way with the project in question. Topical, or âaboutâ channels, begin with two # characters, and these are allocated on a first-come, first-served basis to the first person who registers it with ChanServ |
| 15:09.15 | r3 | ask in #freenode for more info. |
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| 15:12.37 | Malivaso | How do you register them? |
| 15:13.56 | blowry | do /msg ChanServ REGISTER channelname |
| 15:14.14 | r3 | or /msg chanserv help |
| 15:14.26 | r3 | really #freenode is going to be the right place to ask |
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| 15:21.58 | jelly | benjr: if you do not plan tu use a gui locally, why install it in the first place |
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| 15:22.14 | benjr | my system so laggy in the gui i cant even get to a terminal and type in that multi-user command |
| 15:22.35 | benjr | is there any way i can get out of the gui easily just so i can do stuff |
| 15:22.49 | livebrain | ctrl alt F2 |
| 15:22.52 | jelly | benjr: ctrl-alt-f1 ought to switch to a text console |
| 15:22.53 | livebrain | ? |
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| 15:23.26 | Malivaso | is it possible to install CS2D on a pi running armhf? |
| 15:24.56 | benjr | ctrl-alt-f1 brings me to the gui login screen, ctrl-alt-f2 takes me back to where i started in the gui |
| 15:25.07 | blowry | try ctrl-alt-f3 then |
| 15:25.11 | blowry | those all switch to virtual ttys |
| 15:25.18 | blowry | one will be your display manager and one will be the desktop |
| 15:25.22 | blowry | the others should just be consoles |
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| 15:25.40 | jelly | benjr: once you log in from a text-based console, you can stop gdm.service (or is it gdm3.service) to reclaim some of the resources |
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| 15:26.25 | jelly | Malivaso: is there a build of this cs2d for armhf debian? |
| 15:26.27 | benjr | ah ctrl-alt-f3 worked, thanks, this is just an atom cpu with onboard video that isnt supposed to support over 800x600, its struggling |
| 15:28.22 | Malivaso | Exagear is discontinued, but i need it. Are there any more that are the same as exagear? |
| 15:29.08 | livebrain | what ate you going to use that pc for benjr ! |
| 15:29.10 | livebrain | ? |
| 15:29.51 | benjr | a file server for my home network |
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| 15:31.52 | livebrain | sometimes old computers are good to be stored away lol |
| 15:32.03 | livebrain | an rpi3 or 4 is 30 euros |
| 15:32.31 | livebrain | and most of the time they spend not even 10watts |
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| 15:33.25 | Malivaso | i got a rpi 3 model b+ |
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| 15:34.26 | livebrain | i use mine for cloud with a 250hdd |
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| 15:41.42 | benjr | livebrain: most of the set of the specs are ok, apart from the gpu, its 8core@2ghz, 16gb ram, triple network ports, and 12 sata ports |
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| 15:57.20 | benjr | how do i configure my ip to be static? googling points me to editing /etc/network/interfaces but it also says i should find a line for dhcp in there currently, which i do not |
| 15:59.04 | n4dir | pretty sure the debian wiki has an example how to edit the interfaces file. |
| 16:00.37 | benjr | ive found some guides that say what to do, but the defaults for mine at the start dont match the example, so i didnt want to proceed |
| 16:00.58 | Malivaso | Do you have all of the info from your IP? |
| 16:01.43 | jaakkos | benjr: if there is no such line there, perhaps networking was not configured during Debian install or you have installed another method for network configuration (eg. network-manager, systemd-networkd) |
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| 16:02.47 | n4dir | i think it is "Configuring the interface manually" https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 16:02.50 | serverman | you set it in interfaces or netplan on ubuntu |
| 16:02.51 | benjr | i do have networking currently, its a fresh install that was configured for dhcp through the installer |
| 16:03.15 | jaakkos | benjr: Debian Buster? |
| 16:03.28 | benjr | yes |
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| 16:07.15 | jaakkos | benjr: some suggestions: 1) Did you install a desktop environment? Is network-manager or systemd-networkd installed? 2) Post content of /etc/network/interfaces 3) Do you have files in /etc/network/interfaces.d ? |
| 16:07.39 | jaakkos | Also, does networking work at the moment? |
| 16:09.07 | jaakkos | To check if those are installed, do eg. 'dpkg -l network-manager' |
| 16:09.39 | benjr | 1) it installed a DE by default, though i wish it hadnt, i have used it for nothing and changed it to boot to cli 2) a little hard to post it, but it just has the sources line, and the loopback 3) no files there 4) yes networking works currently |
| 16:11.06 | jaakkos | Oh systemd-networkd isn't it's own package though, you would check it with 'systemctl status systemd-networkd' |
| 16:11.18 | jaakkos | benjr: I never used desktop on Buster - please check if network-manager is installed? |
| 16:11.38 | jaakkos | It would make sense it is installed with the DE... |
| 16:11.53 | jaakkos | I think it probably is :P |
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| 16:13.18 | jaakkos | benjr: if network-manager is installed, configure networking via the graphical app from the DE, or use 'nm-tui' from the command line. You could also edit the XMLs at /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ |
| 16:13.26 | benjr | i dont want a gui, i thought choosing "install" instead of "graphical install" would have avoided installing one, it didnt, this gui is just causing me lots of issues |
| 16:13.39 | Malivaso | LXDE? |
| 16:13.42 | benjr | if i format and reinstall debian how can i force it to not install a gui? |
| 16:14.03 | jaakkos | benjr: don't select 'desktop environment' in the installer when it asks about it |
| 16:17.33 | jaakkos | I really wish the Linux distros got over with the 99 different ways of network configuration :/ |
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| 16:23.09 | ldld | is there a 3.1r8 mirror out somewhere? |
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| 16:25.19 | jmd | Every time I boot, I find that the permissions on /dev/sda1 have been reset to 660. What gives? |
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| 16:26.01 | jaakkos | jmd: /dev is not physically stored anywhere |
| 16:26.01 | benjr | jaakkos: im currently reinstalling and i see where i went wrong last time, it asks about a de, then has a list of several by name, i thought not selecting any of them was enough, but you have to also unselect de too |
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| 16:26.07 | jaakkos | jmd: except in your memory when the machine is running |
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| 16:26.45 | jmd | jaakkos: the directory entry for /dev/* is still stored. |
| 16:27.14 | jaakkos | jmd: sure but you asked about /dev/sda1 |
| 16:27.20 | jmd | Yes. |
| 16:27.28 | jaakkos | jmd: directory entry /dev btw, not sure what you mean by /dev/* |
| 16:28.14 | jmd | All entries in /dev (like any other directories are stored in the directory entry for the parent) |
| 16:29.12 | jmd | (assuming a ext2/3/4 filesystem) |
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| 16:31.56 | jaakkos | jmd: /dev is a devtmpfs, nothing to do with the ext* file systems. |
| 16:32.23 | jaakkos | Or precisely speaking, a devtmpfs is mounted there |
| 16:32.36 | jmd | jaakkos: My question is, what is changing the mode of /dev/sda1 on reboot. |
| 16:32.47 | jaakkos | jmd: nothing, because there were no mode to begin with |
| 16:33.06 | jaakkos | Because /dev content is fabricated from scratch at boot |
| 16:33.12 | jmd | Of course there is. run ls -l /dev/sda1 if you don't believe me. |
| 16:33.50 | jmd | Everything which has an inode, has a mode. |
| 16:33.53 | jaakkos | jmd: you seem to fail to understand the idea that devtmpfs is a virtual file system that only exist in RAM when the computer is running |
| 16:34.34 | jmd | jaakkos: I am not talking about devtmpfs |
| 16:35.22 | jaakkos | You asked about permissions of /dev/sda1 which is a device file stored on devtmpfs |
| 16:35.27 | benjr | JakeSays: alright cool, debian is reinstalled without the gui and the contents of /etc/network/interfaces is different now, and matches the examples |
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| 16:40.41 | jaakkos | jmd: to permanently change permissions of device files, use udev rules, or consider adding users to the 'disk' group to gain r/w access to block devices |
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| 16:47.34 | jmd | jaakkos: Ok I'll look at those options. Thanks. |
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| 16:52.12 | serverman | may be stupid but how do I filter L2 traffic on Linux? although its a l3 nic. |
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| 16:52.54 | jaakkos | serverman: ebtables |
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| 16:54.30 | jaakkos | serverman: well, you can filter by at least MAC address with iptables |
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| 16:56.52 | jmd | serverman: Such questions might better be answered on ##networking |
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| 16:58.32 | serverman | thank you |
| 16:58.44 | jhutchins | jmd: To confirm your hypothesis you could boot to live media and then check the contents of /dev on the inactive disk. |
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| 16:59.10 | jmd | jhutchins: That is exactly what I have done. |
| 17:01.00 | jhutchins | jmd: I think it's regenerated at boot. |
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| 17:03.50 | jhutchins | Is it just the device you're concerned with, or the mounted partition? |
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| 17:12.00 | abd5932 | Hi, I try to make backup from my desktop to my laptop via cellphone using rsync/ssh. Everything went fine yesterday, but today desktop WiFi dongle doesn't seem to work properly. So what I try to do is to connect the cellpone to my desktop (the usb network inerface gets inet 192.168.42.96/24 brd 192.168.42.255 ) , the laptop connects to the cellphone via its WiFi and gets IP 192.168.43.71. I get no ping from desktop to laptop... Is it because they are on diff |
| 17:12.03 | abd5932 | erent subnets? ...42.. and ...43...? When desktops WiFi was working - its interface got IP 192.168.43.235, and ping worked fine. Is it because both were on ...43... subnet? How can I make my desktop ping my laptop despite different subnets? |
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| 17:19.37 | jhutchins | Yes, they must be on the same subnet, or have a gateway that is on the same subnet for each. |
| 17:20.05 | jhutchins | You may be able to adjust your netmask, but I don't know how you're setting up your connection, so I don't know what the actual solution would be. |
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| 17:20.31 | abd5932 | jhutchins: I get it set my Gnome's network manager |
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| 17:20.57 | abd5932 | jhutchins: do you want me to use /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:22.20 | jhutchins | Up to you. Please don't crosspost simultaneously. |
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| 17:23.21 | abd5932 | jhutchins: ok. so what should I set? |
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| 17:24.09 | abd5932 | which netmask on which interface? |
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| 17:24.28 | jhutchins | Doesn't matter as long as they're the same. |
| 17:25.43 | abd5932 | the same on laptop and desktop? could you, please, provide specific command to set them? (ifconfig and ip) |
| 17:28.06 | jhutchins | I don't know what process you're using to set them initially, and I don't know what the limits of the connection are. |
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| 17:28.50 | jhutchins | If the laptop is getting it's connection over wifi from the phone, the phone is probably providing the laptop address. It should have an address on the same network. |
| 17:29.03 | abd5932 | jhutchins: yes |
| 17:29.30 | abd5932 | both computers get the IPs from laptop |
| 17:29.39 | jhutchins | The phone probably picks an address for it's own wifi, and some sort of address for it's cell connections. |
| 17:29.40 | abd5932 | from the cellpone |
| 17:29.43 | abd5932 | sorry |
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| 17:30.16 | Malivaso | Hi |
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| 17:34.30 | abd5932 | jhutchins: how can check currently set netmask? |
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| 17:35.49 | Malivaso | ._. |
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| 17:44.13 | Malivaso | Welcome back |
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| 17:47.04 | Malivaso | Oof |
| 17:47.22 | Malivaso | Wow, I can change my message colors |
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| 17:54.11 | melpy | xdo activate -n urxvt |
| 17:54.28 | Malivaso | What are you doing? |
| 17:57.24 | Malivaso | Wow, does nobody speak here anymore? |
| 17:57.34 | Malivaso | It was active hours ago |
| 17:57.42 | Malivaso | *an hour |
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| 17:58.26 | humbot | would you like a question to answer Malivaso, or would you like to chat? |
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| 17:59.28 | SE7EN` | dpkg -i coffee |
| 17:59.28 | dpkg | installs coffee into se7en`'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 17:59.37 | Malivaso | And I figured out the problem with the no network interfaces, it was that my computer was shutting down incorrectly so when I use sudo shutdown it appeared |
| 18:00.18 | Malivaso | sudo shutdown -r now |
| 18:00.39 | annadane | the reason nobody talks is because debian is perfect and its users are intelligent not to ever make mistakes... or something |
| 18:01.04 | Malivaso | I n t e l l i g e n t |
| 18:01.34 | sponix | annadane: seems legit |
| 18:02.21 | Malivaso | what did dpkg -i coffee do |
| 18:02.46 | SE7EN` | it made me feel aladeen |
| 18:03.06 | Malivaso | dpkg -i cheese |
| 18:03.06 | dpkg | removes a liver from malivaso and replaces it with cheese |
| 18:03.14 | Malivaso | oh cool |
| 18:03.38 | Malivaso | My liver was replaced with cheese |
| 18:03.45 | SE7EN` | That sounds questionable. |
| 18:03.47 | SE7EN` | At best |
| 18:04.06 | SE7EN` | I don't think I'm going to use dpkg as my health care provider anymore. |
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| 18:04.54 | Malivaso | dpkg -i LG Smart TV |
| 18:04.54 | dpkg | installs LG Smart TV into malivaso's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
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| 18:05.18 | Malivaso | now I can listen to my shows in surround souns |
| 18:05.21 | Malivaso | Sound |
| 18:05.24 | EdePopede | !frankenmalivaso |
| 18:06.12 | SE7EN` | dpkg -h |
| 18:06.12 | dpkg | i don't know, SE7EN` |
| 18:06.20 | Malivaso | dpkg -h Alexa |
| 18:06.20 | dpkg | Malivaso: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:06.21 | SE7EN` | ='( |
| 18:06.28 | Malivaso | ALexa. |
| 18:06.32 | Malivaso | Stupid |
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| 18:06.44 | Malivaso | dpkg |
| 18:06.56 | Malivaso | dpkg help |
| 18:07.32 | Malivaso | dpkg -i trash can |
| 18:07.33 | dpkg | package trash can is already installed |
| 18:07.39 | Malivaso | Cool |
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| 18:08.29 | Malivaso | I'm installed. |
| 18:08.40 | Malivaso | dpkg -r |
| 18:08.41 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Malivaso |
| 18:08.54 | SE7EN` | dpkg -r oxygen |
| 18:08.54 | dpkg | removes oxygen along with a pound of flesh from se7en`'s body, then staples se7en` back up with a staple gun. |
| 18:09.13 | SE7EN` | My purity has been restored. |
| 18:09.15 | Malivaso | Removed your oxygen |
| 18:09.31 | Malivaso | dpkg -i Google Home |
| 18:09.31 | dpkg | installs Google Home into malivaso's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 18:09.43 | Malivaso | don't say hey google |
| 18:09.48 | annadane | please don't spam the bot |
| 18:09.51 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:22.25 | Kobaz | how do i build a source package without --strip-program=true |
| 18:22.32 | Kobaz | where is that setting in the source package |
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| 18:24.35 | Kobaz | strip-program actually |
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| 18:29.29 | Malivaso | dkpg -i oof |
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| 18:31.29 | Malivaso | dpkg -i duolingo |
| 18:31.29 | dpkg | removes a lung from malivaso and replaces it with duolingo |
| 18:31.34 | Malivaso | awesome |
| 18:31.36 | annadane | i said stop spamming the bot |
| 18:31.38 | Malivaso | ok |
| 18:31.49 | Malivaso | wait a minute, who are you? |
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| 18:39.42 | Malivaso | too many people |
| 18:40.13 | Bushmaster | hi folks, I am in command prompt, but if I make mistake writing statements in MariaDB/MySQL, I cant edit it, can I have an IDE but not SQL workbench, that I can use instead of command prompt |
| 18:40.24 | Bushmaster | something like Python IDE I meant |
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| 18:43.49 | sponix | Bushmaster: phpmyadmin ? |
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| 18:45.08 | Bushmaster | sponix, let me try |
| 18:46.13 | humbot | dpkg why was phpmyadmin removed |
| 18:46.13 | dpkg | humbot: are you using Windows? |
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| 18:47.30 | Bushmaster | sponix, very interesting, where I typed show databases, it did not show my test databases |
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| 18:57.35 | OS-63198 | #offsec |
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| 19:03.17 | Bushmaster | how many of you utilize MariaDB? |
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| 19:05.47 | sponix | Bushmaster: I only do what is required to teach others - lol |
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| 19:10.35 | Bushmaster | sponix, I understand, I just get annoyed by typing in command prompt cos if you make mistake you cant edit it hence seeking suitable IDE, its amazing SQL does not have any IDE, all do, Python has IDE, R has R Studio, Java has ecclipese etc |
| 19:11.42 | joepublic | I'm sorry, you can't edit at the command prompt? |
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| 19:12.48 | Bushmaster | joepublic, yes sir |
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| 19:14.51 | MikeDebian | Hey all. On Debian 10 the $USER system variable is not updated when someone gets su. Let's say I logged in as "myusername". Then I do su and get root privileges. The $USER variable does not change. It keeps the same. This was not the default behavior on previous debians. Is it supposed to be this way or is this a bug? |
| 19:15.52 | joepublic | I think su -l will do what you want |
| 19:17.04 | MikeDebian | joepublic, yes it does. But this seems none sense |
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| 19:18.45 | joepublic | shrugs elaborately |
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| 19:21.53 | laerlingSAP | Good morning. Why does 'apt-cache rdepends x' list not only packages that depend on x, but also packages that break x and so on? That doesn't make any sense. |
| 19:22.00 | laerlingSAP | E. g.: procps breaks open-vm-tools (<= (...)), but apt-cache rdepends open-vm-tools lists procps among others. |
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| 19:22.54 | MikeDebian | joepublic, I know it's a small change but come on, what would be the reason to change the default behavior that was used for so long? If it had a security point of view I could get but it doesnt |
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| 19:24.01 | joepublic | MikeDebian, I assure you that /dev/null is more interested than I am. |
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| 19:25.02 | Guest40 | Lets do it: chonometric linux |
| 19:25.13 | Guest40 | sosi |
| 19:25.14 | MikeDebian | joepublic, ahahah. I appreciate your answer and time. Was just commenting it. Maybe you'd know of some logical reason |
| 19:25.26 | Guest40 | Soso |
| 19:25.35 | joepublic | I would be speculating, but don't know a specific reason. |
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| 19:26.03 | MikeDebian | joepublic, fair enough ;) thank you. |
| 19:26.19 | Guest40 | I tell u somethint: chonomeyric linux us the way |
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| 19:27.05 | Guest40 | *chrono etric |
| 19:27.17 | Guest40 | *chronometric |
| 19:27.43 | joepublic | MikeDebian, there's lots more info about it here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=905409 |
| 19:27.44 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/905409 in util-linux (closed): «util-linux: "su -" no longer copies DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY to child, but this is not documented»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-08-04; last modified: 2018-09-13. |
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| 19:29.47 | Malivaso | oof |
| 19:29.51 | Malivaso | get died |
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| 19:30.20 | Guest40 | testing vanilla non LTS with thid |
| 19:30.50 | Guest40 | chrono etric linx pipedigma |
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| 19:53.00 | Kobaz | when building a source package (dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc)... where is the setting to NOT strip the final binaries |
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| 20:11.57 | sponix | Bushmaster: use the "up" and "down" arrows inside the mysql client, pretty sure you can arrow around a previous statement and "edit" it :) |
| 20:12.29 | sponix | Bushmaster: but phpmysql does most of the lifting for you, and just shows you what sql commands are used (think it might be a option you have to enable) |
| 20:12.47 | Bushmaster | sponix, no, when U are writing statement and made mistake you cant |
| 20:13.21 | Bushmaster | sponix, i have phpmyadmin, but for some reason it is not showing my database |
| 20:14.00 | sponix | Bushmaster: seems like you might have to break down and read some documentation ;) |
| 20:14.09 | Bushmaster | sponix, are you professional database administrator |
| 20:14.52 | sponix | Bushmaster: lol ... I'm not a professional anything. Just a guy that fires up virtual machines, emulating the users environment, and solving their issues :) |
| 20:15.31 | sponix | and since I provide that service for free. It can't be classified as professional :P |
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| 20:18.03 | Bushmaster | sponix, price is Adam Smiths invention, and I hate him |
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| 20:18.27 | sponix | Bushmaster: I'd say either drop or export that db. and recreate it, or import it back in with phpmyadmin under you user that has permission. Chances are it is a permission issue, and that is likely to resolve its visibility in phpmyadmin :) |
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| 20:19.07 | Bushmaster | how to importit? |
| 20:19.35 | sponix | my last install of MariaDB I couldn't get the damn "secure_blah_blah" command to work, so even the root password being set didn't function for me, let alone a regular user like things should be ran from ;) |
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| 20:20.33 | Bushmaster | I am learning by the way but yes, I will one day become professional but yes, I may not get a capitalist Adam Smith's jobs |
| 20:20.33 | sponix | Bushmaster: If your goal is to avoid learning SQL, you might just want to look into another type of database, or skip databases all together ... just saying |
| 20:20.55 | sponix | This isn't like LUA or something where you can just keep hitting the tab key until it completes everything for you |
| 20:21.18 | Bushmaster | sponix, trust me it will work, |
| 20:22.51 | Bushmaster | MariaDB is stable and very robust and if Master the skills I will feel good, I may not get a high paid job cos of bastards around, but I will still feel good, do you understand that? |
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| 20:25.03 | sponix | Bushmaster: seems you should be in the MariaDB manual then, learning the actual SQL, spending time there ... I'm going to install it in this VM to tinker. Been over a decade since I did much with mysql |
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| 20:26.07 | sponix | https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/a-mariadb-primer/ |
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| 20:26.36 | sponix | https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/useful-mariadb-queries/ |
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| 20:26.42 | sponix | website has tons of information |
| 20:28.29 | Bushmaster | sponix, information is out there, yes, and I respect that, all I need is IDE |
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| 20:33.47 | sponix | Bushmaster: oddly enough Google of: IDE for mariadb -- Gives me pretty good results. Might wanna try that, if the IDE is what you are missing out on so much |
| 20:34.14 | Bushmaster | i did not find any IDE in google search sponix |
| 20:34.46 | Bushmaster | i do not wanna use MySQL workbench cos its GUI |
| 20:34.56 | Bushmaster | it is IDE alright, but no good |
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| 20:40.48 | sponix | If you just want a terminal editor, use vim for a file.sql and it will have syntax highlighting :) |
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| 20:41.54 | sponix | _most_ IDE's are GUI to my knowledge.. Eclipse, NetBeans, MS Code, Geany, MySQL Workbench, and so forth :) |
| 20:42.08 | Kobaz | they don't have to be |
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| 20:42.20 | Kobaz | Emacs with the right setup can be an IDE |
| 20:42.25 | Kobaz | ctags and etc |
| 20:42.33 | Kobaz | works quite well |
| 20:42.52 | Bushmaster | Kobaz, do you know how to set any IDE for MySQL/MariaDB? |
| 20:42.54 | sponix | Kobaz: That is great, maybe you can help Bushmaster ... Because it seems what they are looking for is out of the scope of what I'm able to provide |
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| 20:43.06 | ESphynx | hi. I cannot for the life of me get a working curl |
| 20:43.18 | sponix | ESphynx: default pkg doesn't do it for you ? |
| 20:43.25 | ESphynx | this libcurl3 vs. libcurl4 is crazy broken |
| 20:43.32 | Bushmaster | sponix, you being helpful just by communicating, its more than enough |
| 20:43.52 | Kobaz | Bushmaster: you have three main options. maria/mysql command line console, web-based interface like phpmysqladmin, or a full-fledged desktop app like omnidb |
| 20:44.00 | ESphynx | whatever uninstall /install of curl and libraries I do I get a version CURL_OPENSSL_3 not found |
| 20:44.16 | Kobaz | there's a bunch of them |
| 20:44.17 | sponix | Bushmaster: I've had a db/table with hundreds of my movies as records in it using mysql and phpmyadmin prior. Seemed pretty simple to do things there |
| 20:44.24 | ESphynx | it is quite ridiculous that it complains abotu version 3 not found when the dependency is on vesion 4 |
| 20:44.36 | whislock | ESphynx: What are you trying to accomplish, here? |
| 20:44.51 | ESphynx | whislock: simply having a working curl and libcurl installed |
| 20:45.02 | ESphynx | nothing fancy |
| 20:45.55 | abrotman | ESphynx: what's wrong with the packages that already exist? |
| 20:46.04 | sponix | odd, I just apt install curl, and haven't had an issue yet |
| 20:46.09 | ESphynx | abrotman: they don't work ? |
| 20:46.24 | abrotman | at all? |
| 20:46.33 | ESphynx | sponix: clearly it is an issue that is showing up on my system. |
| 20:46.36 | ESphynx | at all. |
| 20:46.44 | abrotman | ESphynx: Which version of Linux is this? |
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| 20:46.59 | abrotman | and/or which versoin of curl is the available package |
| 20:47.00 | ESphynx | 4.9.0-8 |
| 20:47.17 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 20:47.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.4.0-trunk-686-pae (5.4.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); bullseye: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); buster-backports: 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.3.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: |
| 20:47.19 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1) |
| 20:47.44 | ESphynx | curl is already the newest version (7.52.1-5+deb9u9) |
| 20:48.09 | abrotman | this is Stretch? |
| 20:48.15 | ESphynx | debian version is 9.11 |
| 20:48.37 | ESphynx | stretch sounds right |
| 20:48.40 | abrotman | ESphynx: and when you run curl, what happens? |
| 20:49.01 | ESphynx | curl: libcurl.so.4: version CURL_OPENSSL_3 not found (required by curl) |
| 20:49.40 | abrotman | ESphynx: can you pastebin your sources.list ? |
| 20:49.51 | ESphynx | no it's on the other computer |
| 20:49.59 | ESphynx | but I got stretch/updates non-free main contrib |
| 20:50.13 | ESphynx | and main and stretch-backports |
| 20:50.13 | abrotman | and you have a regular src line as well? |
| 20:50.39 | ESphynx | well what should my sources.list look like |
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| 20:50.59 | abrotman | dpkg: stretch sources.list |
| 20:50.59 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:51.14 | abrotman | That's a good start |
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| 20:52.32 | ESphynx | why did I have deb-multimedia.org |
| 20:53.25 | ESphynx | how did that get in my sources |
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| 20:53.47 | Bushmaster | Kobaz, and sponix i think I am already using mariadb command line console which prohibit me to edit my statements, I have phpmyadmin but i am struggling with it cos I am new to it and I cant bring my database I created in mariadb console, and omnidb, I never heard of it and not sure it will work in Debian |
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| 20:54.56 | Bushmaster | sponix, I hae hundreds of movies, in SATa hard drive, I use rasp pi with Librelect to serve it in TV |
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| 20:55.45 | sponix | Bushmaster: --> https://chartio.com/resources/tutorials/how-to-grant-all-privileges-on-a-database-in-mysql/ |
| 20:55.50 | Bushmaster | i can make database of my movies but I do not want to do it in command line prompt cos of no option to return and edit if I make mistake in typing ststement |
| 20:55.56 | sponix | Bushmaster: again, you still have to "know sql" in the long run :) |
| 20:56.11 | Bushmaster | sponix, i do not need these links okay |
| 20:56.26 | sponix | Bushmaster: grant access to your created db with a user grant, and then you can view and access it with that in phpmyadmin |
| 20:56.45 | sponix | Bushmaster: we are done them, if you do not need to read and learn, just remain ignorant and shut up |
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| 20:57.27 | sponix | have a nice life :P |
| 20:57.56 | ESphynx | well thank you. Seems I managed to have a workign curl after fixing up sources |
| 20:58.28 | hummingbee | deb-multimedia! did you follow a tutorial from 2009? |
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| 20:58.42 | ESphynx | hummingbee: I don't know where that came from :P |
| 20:59.11 | sponix | http://sponix.tk/Downloads/spoonfeedthenoob.jpg |
| 20:59.33 | Bushmaster | sponix, i have granted all that during installation of MariaDB |
| 20:59.34 | Kobaz | Bushmaster: define editing statements |
| 20:59.41 | Bushmaster | sponix, here MariaDB [(none)]> GRANT ALL ON *.* TO 'bushcat'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED VIA unix_socket WITH GRANT OPTION; |
| 20:59.41 | Bushmaster | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) |
| 20:59.57 | sponix | Bushmaster: did you "flush" after that ? |
| 21:00.20 | Bushmaster | Kobaz, I will pastebin you |
| 21:00.24 | ESphynx | Well, now we're going places. stuff's building again :P thank you guys. |
| 21:00.25 | sponix | Bushmaster: if so, you should be able to login with your phpmyadmin session as that user, and see the db/tables just fine "you do have to select what to use" |
| 21:00.53 | Bushmaster | sponix, test database was not there |
| 21:01.23 | sponix | Bushmaster: LOL -- if you read anything, you would know the mysql_secure_installation prompted and removed that test DB by default |
| 21:01.53 | sponix | unless you opted to leave it, and that isn't very secure |
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| 21:02.30 | Bushmaster | sponix, it was not there, i created it |
| 21:02.37 | sponix | Bushmaster: and chances are, you "via unix socket" is not what is being used by the WEB phpmyadmin - that is likely a 127.0.0.1 PORT vs a unix socket |
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| 21:06.08 | sponix | Bushmaster: Yes, your grant privilege is wrong --> https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/install-phpmyadmin-apache-lamp-debian-10-buster ... it should not be via socket |
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| 21:07.05 | sponix | Bushmaster: that guide will get you up and working with it if followed. At least all of her other stuff works |
| 21:07.34 | Bushmaster | Kobaz, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/n4B2x876bq/ |
| 21:07.45 | Kobaz | okay |
| 21:07.50 | Kobaz | that looks good |
| 21:07.54 | Kobaz | what's your issue? |
| 21:08.14 | Bushmaster | sponix, let me get into phpmyadin |
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| 21:09.10 | Bushmaster | Kobaz, for example, I accidentally forgot to type title for joining tables, and i cant return to that line in command prompt |
| 21:09.54 | Kobaz | edit your query in an editor |
| 21:10.00 | Kobaz | and paste the query into the mysql console |
| 21:10.17 | Kobaz | or use an IDE/GUI |
| 21:10.21 | Kobaz | those are your options |
| 21:11.28 | hummingbee | read-read-type-read |
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| 21:12.09 | abrotman | why use phpmyadmin? |
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| 21:13.04 | ESphynx | So on https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/git it shows 2.20 , how come I'm only getting 2.11 ? |
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| 21:13.55 | Kobaz | apt-cache policy git |
| 21:13.59 | Kobaz | ESphynx: ^^ |
| 21:14.13 | Kobaz | you might have an old cache... apt-get update ? |
| 21:14.26 | abrotman | ESphynx: aptitude -t stretch-backports install git |
| 21:14.26 | ESphynx | Kobaz: i've been running apt update a thousand times |
| 21:14.34 | ESphynx | I see the backport vesion there under version table, but it's not the candidate |
| 21:14.52 | Kobaz | did you recently upgrade distros? do you have a mix of distros? |
| 21:15.05 | ESphynx | Kobaz: i must have a chimera |
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| 21:15.21 | ESphynx | but I'm wondering why it's not picking up 2,29 ? it's there in version table |
| 21:15.27 | abrotman | I just told you |
| 21:15.30 | ESphynx | what are those 100 500 codes? |
| 21:15.42 | Kobaz | ESphynx: pastebin |
| 21:15.43 | ESphynx | abrotman: aptitude? |
| 21:15.57 | Kobaz | don't just say 'i see weird stuff'.... SHOW the weird stuff |
| 21:16.18 | abrotman | ESphynx: did you try it yet? |
| 21:16.28 | Bushmaster | sponix, Kobaz i will further chat, about it, i cant concentrate now and thanks for support I do take it |
| 21:16.32 | abrotman | !apt_preferences |
| 21:16.32 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 21:16.52 | ESphynx | abrotman: I didn't yet because apt is supposed to be able to do everything by itself isn't it? and i'm trying to understand |
| 21:17.02 | ESphynx | Kobaz: https://gist.github.com/jerstlouis/09a732c387d163b851288a4255e18ea2 |
| 21:17.19 | abrotman | ESphynx: try the same command with apt .. |
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| 21:17.36 | Kobaz | ESphynx: you can use apt as well, or apt-get apt-get -t stretch-backports git |
| 21:17.44 | Kobaz | install... sorry... apt-get install -t |
| 21:17.47 | ESphynx | abrotman: is apt and aptitude the same? |
| 21:17.50 | Kobaz | no |
| 21:17.55 | abrotman | ESphynx: close enough for what you're trying to do |
| 21:17.57 | Kobaz | different ways of doing the same thing |
| 21:18.04 | ESphynx | right thought so |
| 21:18.09 | Kobaz | like less/more/most/cat |
| 21:18.11 | ESphynx | trying to stick with one way and understand it :P |
| 21:18.24 | Kobaz | they are all ways to view files, with a variety of differences, but all accomplish the goal |
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| 21:18.30 | ESphynx | do I have to specifically tell it to use backports? |
| 21:18.35 | Kobaz | *yes* |
| 21:18.40 | abrotman | man apt .. see -t |
| 21:18.42 | ESphynx | how do I make backports the default? |
| 21:18.59 | abrotman | !apt_preferences |
| 21:19.00 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 21:19.30 | abrotman | It's not like I"m saying these things for my benefit :) |
| 21:19.33 | Kobaz | ESphynx: study the history in the channel, you have multiple people all telling you the same thing |
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| 21:19.57 | abrotman | alos, there are instructions at backports.debian.org on how to use backports |
| 21:20.23 | ESphynx | thank you Kobaz , all. sorry . |
| 21:24.05 | ESphynx | I;m reading but I don't see how to always prefer backports? that just seems like the sane default if I have backports enabled |
| 21:24.33 | ESphynx | only says to create a preferences.d/99debian-backports and list per package preferenes |
| 21:24.53 | ESphynx | or I can just say * can I\ |
| 21:25.08 | Kobaz | i think it's per-package |
| 21:25.39 | Kobaz | alias ag="apt-get install -t stretch-backports" |
| 21:25.44 | ESphynx | well that worked |
| 21:25.48 | Kobaz | could do something like that, if you're having trouble with the policies |
| 21:25.49 | ESphynx | I can do Package: * |
| 21:26.00 | ESphynx | I just want to install reasonably recent software |
| 21:26.10 | ESphynx | that sohuld just be the default. |
| 21:26.18 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 21:27.06 | ESphynx | now I don't have to type --decorate all the time :P |
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| 21:34.22 | nw87 | shall smb 137,138,139,445 be open in/out or is a subset of these ports sufficient? |
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| 21:44.10 | jhutchins | That's a really bad idea. |
| 21:44.28 | jhutchins | defaulting to backports. |
| 21:44.57 | nyov | ? |
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| 21:57.36 | magic_ninja | does anyone know how I might control nvidia gpu fan speed? |
| 21:57.47 | magic_ninja | mine keep starting and stopping constantly. It spins up then stops. then spins back up. |
| 21:57.59 | pfred1 | that's got to be annoying |
| 21:58.08 | pfred1 | how old is your video card? |
| 21:58.41 | pfred1 | your thermal paste might be bad |
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| 22:00.36 | sponix | Kobaz: well, I can understand his frustrations a bit. I've been doing this for 30 years and the task wasn't as easy as I'd like it to have been lol... I ended up using partial directions from 3 different guides. No one source had it completely covered |
| 22:01.01 | Kobaz | hehe |
| 22:01.05 | nw87 | does cups require any special firewall config if localhost is configured for in/out ? |
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| 22:01.34 | pfred1 | magic_ninja you look in nvidia-settings? |
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| 22:01.37 | sponix | Bushmaster: seems I might need to make both a text guide and a video on what should be a simple install to a working phpmyadmin -- It was way more involved than it should have been IMHO |
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| 22:02.03 | Guest86 | high brew |
| 22:02.56 | Guest86 | pelase, update suid/sgid netutils command to be mandatary to group netdev |
| 22:02.59 | sponix | Kobaz: I added it to my list of things that need documented better. So I an do a How To guide on it soon |
| 22:03.00 | Guest86 | or anyelse |
| 22:04.00 | Guest86 | 12 KORIA: pelase, update suid/sgid netutils command to be mandatary to group netdev |
| 22:04.10 | Guest86 | or anyelse |
| 22:04.56 | Guest86 | enforce autoimun provence |
| 22:05.08 | Guest86 | moda foquer |
| 22:05.13 | Bushmaster | sponix, i run channel in vimeo and youtube too more on wildlife science but it will get into computer science soon ... |
| 22:05.42 | magic_ninja | pfred1, yea there isn't a setting there. It is basically sitting around a setpoint and oscillating, causing it to turn on/off |
| 22:05.59 | abrotman | Guest86: English here |
| 22:06.04 | Guest86 | sudo group is root relative |
| 22:06.16 | abrotman | !br |
| 22:06.16 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:06.34 | pfred1 | magic_ninja you need better hysteresis |
| 22:06.36 | Guest86 | stand on the fly linux box |
| 22:06.44 | sponix | Bushmaster: needless to say, I have phpmyadmin up, and fully functional. And yes, even I oof'd on the grant command my first couple times :) |
| 22:06.54 | pfred1 | magic_ninja or just get away from the set point |
| 22:06.56 | Guest86 | netdev is not useless |
| 22:07.04 | Guest86 | moda foquer's |
| 22:07.09 | Guest86 | :P |
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| 22:07.36 | magic_ninja | Well, changing the ambient temperature in my case isn't exactly practical. It has ran around 55-60C the entire time I've owned the computer. I guess I've just now noticed. |
| 22:08.20 | magic_ninja | looking for a utility I can modify settings on the card with / change driver settings with or some way to change the control loop, etc. |
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| 22:09.17 | pfred1 | magic_ninja 50C ambient? |
| 22:10.42 | magic_ninja | so, the temperature of the die on the card will have a dependency on the ambient temperature in the case. If the load remains relatively constant throughout my use of the system, then the die temp and heat dissipation will stay relatively consistent. right? |
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| 22:11.28 | pfred1 | magic_ninja my card is at +34.0°C |
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| 22:11.47 | wuno_two | Hi, |
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| 22:13.07 | sponix | Bushmaster: I will try to stay up late enough to make a video on the process after my wife leaves for work. It will get hung with a fairly descriptive file name in here http://sponix.tk/Downloads/HowToBasic/ when complete |
| 22:13.18 | magic_ninja | that isn't an apples to apples comparison |
| 22:13.26 | magic_ninja | anyway, I need to get back to actually solving the problem. |
| 22:13.56 | pfred1 | I'd say reducing the heat is a solution |
| 22:13.56 | Bushmaster | you have a wife sponix ? |
| 22:14.03 | sponix | Bushmaster: this video may not get voice, because I'm likely to swear a few times during the process in the attempt to figure out which guides I need to follow where, to do what is called for |
| 22:14.44 | sponix | Bushmaster: Yes, I have a wife/life -- And two Teenager kids... I am "experienced" |
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| 22:14.45 | Bushmaster | sponix, I do not need video, I just need IDE, like Python IDE for coding |
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| 22:15.20 | magic_ninja | brb restarting x |
| 22:15.26 | Bushmaster | I am glad I have none of that sponix and glad I a not that experienced |
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| 22:16.29 | sponix | Bushmaster: well, I will be doing the video there sometime soon, and hanging it... whether you think it is helpful and use it or not, that is entirely up to you. Sure at some point, someone else will need it anyway |
| 22:18.05 | Bushmaster | oh yeah, put it up, I am watch it, but for me, I just need an IDE for MariaDB/MySQL but I do not think it works that way, like Java, R, Python, HTML, JavaScript and PHP |
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| 22:18.56 | pfred1 | Bushmaster we have an IDE at home vi at home |
| 22:20.21 | nyov | Bushmaster: use workbench - https://www.mysql.com/products/workbench/ |
| 22:20.25 | nyov | ,i mysql-workbench |
| 22:20.26 | judd | No package named 'mysql-workbench' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 22:20.31 | nyov | oh f |
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| 22:20.56 | nyov | running on fumes here. oh well |
| 22:21.13 | pfred1 | judd p mysql-workbench - MySQL Workbench - a visual database modeli |
| 22:21.30 | nyov | it's only in stretch |
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| 22:21.47 | Bushmaster | pfred1, and nyov I do not like vi and workbench gives GUI output |
| 22:21.57 | pfred1 | nyov well that seals it |
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| 22:22.42 | pfred1 | nyov and to think I was considering upgrading |
| 22:22.45 | nyov | Bushmaster: well, you could install it from stretch |
| 22:23.00 | pfred1 | or from the upstream source |
| 22:23.19 | Bushmaster | i have it nyov |
| 22:23.23 | pfred1 | Homepage: http://dev.mysql.com/workbench/ |
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| 22:23.56 | nyov | Bushmaster: then why do you ask for an IDE for MariaDB/MySQL? |
| 22:24.26 | magic_ninja | so I did figure out how to enable coolbits and manually turn my fan on. I guess it is better than nothing, but having a variable control would be nice. Too bad the driver doesn't handle it. |
| 22:25.04 | pfred1 | magic_ninja yeah at 50C just let it run |
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| 22:26.09 | pfred1 | man that's hot |
| 22:26.30 | magic_ninja | it could be better, but those chips are made to run at around 100C |
| 22:26.51 | pfred1 | not really 80C is critical and 100C is shut down |
| 22:26.52 | magic_ninja | its down to around 35 now with 25% fan speed. |
| 22:26.56 | oiaohm | magic_ninja: what chips designed to run around 100C |
| 22:27.14 | oiaohm | magic_ninja: I have not seen a silicon connection type that likes above 90C |
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| 22:27.32 | Bushmaster | nyov, am I not allowed to ask for any other IDE than work bench? |
| 22:27.36 | magic_ninja | Here is my card under load: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-gtx-970-gaming/31.html |
| 22:27.52 | magic_ninja | so it loads close to 80 |
| 22:28.07 | magic_ninja | And yea, 90C might be the higher end |
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| 22:28.48 | pfred1 | I worry about heat so I run low power parts |
| 22:28.55 | oiaohm | magic_ninja: 90C is a figure you don't want to be above ever with most silicon production methods. |
| 22:29.09 | oiaohm | Of you are basically just burning the chip to death. |
| 22:29.42 | magic_ninja | I'm not talking about running it there, just saying it is the max before it starts throttling |
| 22:29.51 | magic_ninja | And yes, older processors would easily have a 100C max |
| 22:30.08 | magic_ninja | They used to run very hot. Load around 60-80C |
| 22:30.36 | magic_ninja | The chips are much, much more efficient now. |
| 22:31.50 | sponix | Bushmaster: tell you "IDE mariadb" Google search does wonders. There a lot of options.. Here is another one for example -> https://www.devart.com/dbforge/mysql/studio/mariadb-gui-client.html |
| 22:33.00 | Bushmaster | sponix, I will check shortly, one of my cats now decided to run for no reason, I need to check on her... |
| 22:33.02 | oiaohm | magic_ninja: I had some of those old cpus that run a 100C+ The good old athlon XP that lasted like 2 years before putting out magic smoke. |
| 22:33.41 | oiaohm | magic_ninja: Most of the CPU that said they could run a 100C were dead in 2 to 3 years. |
| 22:35.36 | sponix | https://codingsight.com/10-best-mysql-gui-tools/ |
| 22:36.50 | oiaohm | magic_ninja: 90C is basically the serous high-side. In most cases you want to remain well under 70 if you want the hardware to lat. |
| 22:36.54 | oiaohm | magic_ninja: lat/last |
| 22:39.49 | nyov | oiaohm: what? who ran athlon xp's at 100+C? no wonder they smoked off xD |
| 22:39.59 | nyov | mine's still running, btw. |
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| 23:09.35 | oiaohm | nyov: there was a particular batch of them that it did not matter how you attempted to cool them they were going 100C. Wonder is that a athlon xp 3200+ or is it one of the slower sane temp ones. |
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| 23:43.37 | magic_ninja | oiaohm, I didn't run my athlon xp's at 100C. That was just their max temp. I ran mine around 70C with an aftermarket cooler. |
| 23:43.51 | magic_ninja | and my xp 1700+ lasted me a good 7 years |
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| 23:44.55 | magic_ninja | Even some of the black edition quad core ones were like 145W and would run 70-80C with stock cooler. I had a 120MM aftermarket cooler, of course and they ran around 60C under load. |
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| 23:48.47 | oiaohm | magic_ninja: It was the 3200+ version it had double the TDP of that 1700+ and it was meant to work with the same coolers. |
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| 23:51.24 | magic_ninja | I remember that. Wasn't there a lawsuit over that because they provided improper coolers? It didn't take me long to swap mine out. |
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| 23:57.38 | oiaohm | magic_ninja: it was not just the cooler. The normal athlon xp had a temp lock of 85C 3200+ were overclocked to hell with the thermal limit disabled. |
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| 23:58.21 | oiaohm | magic_ninja: those end up with free replacement with 3300 Sempron that did have the 85c thermal limit.. |
| 23:58.53 | oiaohm | Even in old silicon you don't want to be above 90C is bad basically. |
