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| 00:02.35 | karlpinc | YesMan: There is also a package for info pages, and I always install a separate one for tar and emacs info docs. All of this is probably in non-free due to GFDL and DFSG conflicts. |
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| 00:13.37 | YesMan | And what are those number in parenthesis? |
| 00:13.56 | YesMan | like sshd(8) |
| 00:14.16 | themill | sections of the manual; see "man man" |
| 00:15.14 | themill | you need that to disambiguate crontab(1) the program and crontab(5) the file format, for instance |
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| 00:15.40 | YesMan | man man is meta ^^ |
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| 00:19.21 | dvs | YesMan, yes, man |
| 00:19.22 | YesMan | themill, thanks that clears things up |
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| 00:25.13 | crestfallen | hi I turned on my buster machine. no sound at all. it was working fine earlier.. any bugs you know of? |
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| 00:27.00 | malmalmal | Hello, debian apache config is very particular. I enabled userdir mod, and would like to set the userdir directive, but I don't know exactly where to do so, as... again... the config is very particularly set up |
| 00:27.15 | malmalmal | and apache docs do not cover such setup |
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| 00:27.58 | crestfallen | I tried to play music as root and normal user as well. |
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| 00:31.11 | Alver | Hello. I'm trying to install debian testing on a new Ice Lake based laptop. The default installer image lacks firmwares, and the unofficial image with the firmwares gives an error that no kernel modules are found at all. What are my options? |
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| 00:35.22 | YesMan | Hey, there's that obsure thing called openssh, it got an 8 and 8.1 update. is there a dedicated repo with uptodate deb packages like there is for nginx? |
| 00:37.58 | crestfallen | why is sound in debian so horrendously complicated? |
| 00:38.19 | crestfallen | you could read all day to get the sound working. (buster) |
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| 00:42.08 | crestfallen | any one please help me sort out sound on buster os |
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| 00:43.13 | Alver | Ha, nevermind. The "main" testing non-free image is broken. The sid one does work. |
| 00:44.03 | crestfallen | I tried this : cd /usr/lib/pulse-12.2 |
| 00:44.29 | YesMan | crestfallen, there was also an alsa thingy |
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| 00:44.42 | crestfallen | && sudo ln -s ../../pulse-11.1/modules/module-vchan-sink.so |
| 00:45.03 | Alver | crestfallen: don't do stuff if you have no clue what they do. |
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| 00:45.39 | crestfallen | any suggestions? I'm deleting the symlink |
| 00:46.24 | crestfallen | It was working perfectly fine yesterday.. |
| 00:46.45 | crestfallen | I have no explanation. tried a reboot |
| 00:46.48 | Alver | crestfallen: no idea. I have had sound working perfectly fine, in Debian sid, auto-detected, since the middle ages. |
| 00:47.02 | Alver | Start with what hardware you have, perhaps |
| 00:47.10 | Alver | And how you're testing at all |
| 00:47.40 | crestfallen | 64bit core i7 dell |
| 00:47.51 | crestfallen | not a linux person yet |
| 00:47.54 | Alver | *sound* hardware |
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| 00:51.29 | crestfallen | Alver thanks for taking a look: https://paste.ee/p/kttos |
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| 02:01.33 | oxek | which VNC server is best supported in debian stable? |
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| 02:14.11 | dvs | oxek, I like tigervnc but that's my opinion. |
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| 02:16.52 | oxek | dvs: I found tigervnc too. There are too many VNC servers out there... |
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| 02:17.28 | oxek | looks like tigervnc at least has some 'recent' documentation on setting it up https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-and-configure-vnc-on-debian-9/ |
| 02:17.57 | oxek | dvs: does tigervnc support attaching to an existing session? and creating a new session? |
| 02:18.23 | oxek | I want to use it the same way I used mstsc to connect to windows remote desktops |
| 02:19.00 | dvs | oxek, I just use it to attach to an existing session. I've never tried creating a new session on the fly. |
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| 02:32.01 | Akuw | i am getting this when try to add printer W [15/Nov/2019:23:30:29 -0300] CreateProfile failed: org.freedesktop.ColorManager.AlreadyExists:profile id \'EPSON_TM_BA_Printer-Gray..\' already exists |
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| 03:00.00 | ahi2 | wifi soft-blocked at boot. new install. previous installs it was fine. any ideas? |
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| 04:40.19 | sfhndfnjgdghjdfd | Who can unsolve these? |
| 04:40.23 | sfhndfnjgdghjdfd | 7415963 789456123 74123 74123 74123698 |
| 04:40.28 | sfhndfnjgdghjdfd | 78952 7415963 789456123 14789653 789456123 |
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| 04:44.29 | melpy | it says "I wasted 3 hours of my time solving this" |
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| 05:26.45 | relipse2 | does anyone trust the free certificates from certbot? |
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| 05:43.49 | themill | as much as you can trust any cert from a CA |
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| 05:49.01 | BazookaTooth | just for context - https://threatpost.com/threat-actor-buys-digital-certs-spreads-malware/148345/ |
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| 05:53.02 | RoyK | BazookaTooth: those spammers/frauds are always first in line when new things come ashore |
| 05:53.40 | BazookaTooth | like i said.. was just for more context |
| 05:54.10 | RoyK | relipse2: I use certbot - just don't trust any website that clames to be some bank and has a similar URL, regardless of certificate |
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| 05:54.25 | BazookaTooth | ^ |
| 05:54.57 | BazookaTooth | themill's comment though +1 |
| 05:55.15 | relipse2 | I was thinking about installing it |
| 05:55.24 | relipse2 | does it just replace all my apache configs with ones to https:? |
| 05:55.28 | relipse2 | for all my sites? |
| 05:57.16 | RoyK | relipse2: it just adds the crypto bits |
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| 05:57.30 | relipse2 | what do you mean RoyK |
| 05:57.39 | RoyK | relipse2: install etckeeper first so that you can roll back if something funny happens |
| 05:58.24 | themill | The cert is just verifying that you've downloaded the malware without having someone else shoving even further nasty things into it. The certificate never certifies that what you're downloading isn't malicious. |
| 05:58.59 | RoyK | relipse2: you need the ssl/tls stuff for your webserver (apache, nginx, whatever) and certbot will do the job automatically (usually) after that |
| 05:59.26 | RoyK | themill: hehe |
| 05:59.42 | RoyK | certified malware is nice |
| 06:00.48 | relipse2 | ok i got etckeper |
| 06:04.18 | BazookaTooth | krebs covers the avast and nordvpn breaches and some of the shadey cert things btw. there are better reads on it but worth a look |
| 06:05.19 | relipse2 | RoyK so you are saying it is safe? |
| 06:05.25 | relipse2 | i'm very iffy what if my websites break |
| 06:06.43 | BazookaTooth | you're concern should be how to deal with what type of hosting you are using and how it impacts your users if your hosting provider is breached |
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| 06:07.24 | BazookaTooth | if you keep your site up to date, you are probably not the problem |
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| 06:07.53 | BazookaTooth | but easysecurity101 |
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| 08:40.09 | McErroneous | hi, anybody has youtube on debian squeeze working ? |
| 08:40.52 | McErroneous | Which browser should i use firefox 39 is outperforming my 1.8 ghz machine... |
| 08:44.07 | McErroneous | they should not have moved to html-player.... |
| 08:44.44 | McErroneous | is it all about keeping the buisiness going... |
| 08:46.27 | Atomic_0nXgo | hi |
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| 08:50.36 | oxek | McErroneous: use the invidio.us instance for youtube, or just extract the video using youtube-dl (selecting some low resolution) or play it directly with mpv (also choosing some low resolution) |
| 08:50.43 | oxek | see which one performs best on your machine |
| 08:50.49 | McErroneous | I wanted a computer as a perfect slave...., not as my master to tell me to upgrade every now and then... |
| 08:51.37 | nb-ben | you can tell it to shut up about it |
| 08:51.47 | nb-ben | but then it'll grow dumb and gullible |
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| 08:52.20 | lupine | the problem with slaves is, they can turn on you |
| 08:52.26 | lupine | squeeze is packed with vulnerabilities by now |
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| 08:54.04 | jelly | McErroneous: what ox'ek said. Don't use a browser, use a new youtube-dl version and a dedicated player, maybe one that can take stdin as input |
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| 10:09.45 | B|ack0p | when i run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" it returned with some warnings: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h6vKXcks6m/ |
| 10:09.55 | B|ack0p | what could be the problem? |
| 10:10.41 | B|ack0p | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vRGzFcVJxs/ |
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| 10:22.47 | NetGirl | what's this? https://imgur.com/3zwqAqy.png is this a debian thing? To remount the drive as ro? That would break the whole system. |
| 10:22.54 | NetGirl | break the service* |
| 10:23.07 | NetGirl | what happened anyway? that's ina VM btw |
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| 10:26.02 | hummingbee | something must have happened before any of that |
| 10:26.27 | EriC^^ | NetGirl: maybe run a smart test on the hdd? |
| 10:26.36 | NetGirl | (sda1): I/O error while writing superblock |
| 10:27.01 | NetGirl | EriC^^: it's a virtual disk, it doesn't exist. The host doesn't have any problem. But yes, that's a good idea |
| 10:27.28 | EriC^^ | NetGirl: is it on your system or a vps? |
| 10:28.54 | livebrain | 1\5maybe fsck and see if it says something (erros) |
| 10:28.56 | livebrain | errors |
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| 10:29.05 | livebrain | and i would check smartmoontools also |
| 10:29.09 | livebrain | on the drive itself |
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| 10:30.18 | NetGirl | EriC^^: my hardware. I suspend the computer with the VM on, don't know if that's part of the cause |
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| 10:35.01 | livebrain | NetGirl: https://communities.vmware.com/thread/105970 |
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| 10:35.30 | livebrain | "scsi0.virtualDev = "lsilogic" seems to have fixed it but I'd really like to know more about why it happened." |
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| 10:39.51 | NetGirl | maybe I should learn to backup, that's a lot of work on there |
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| 10:41.27 | NetGirl | apt upgrade, is that how you update the system? |
| 10:41.28 | apt | okay, NetGirl |
| 10:41.36 | NetGirl | to keep it up to date I mean |
| 10:41.54 | livebrain | if you spent alot of time in debian why dont you run it as you main operating system |
| 10:41.58 | livebrain | or in dual boot ? |
| 10:44.31 | diogenes_ | NetGirl, yes. |
| 10:45.18 | diogenes_ | apt update && apt upgrade |
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| 11:12.25 | NetGirl | livebrain: because I can have nicer things with arch on my main |
| 11:13.15 | NetGirl | diogenes_: heh.. why aren't those in the same command? most other package managers updates the package list and then update if there are any |
| 11:14.39 | diogenes_ | NetGirl, which are 'most other'? |
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| 11:18.13 | NetGirl | diogenes_: pacman, yum |
| 11:18.35 | NetGirl | they represent a big portion of the game |
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| 11:20.04 | diogenes_ | NetGirl, diversity and freedom of choice, isn't that awesome? |
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| 11:21.57 | NetGirl | did I say otherwise? |
| 11:22.28 | NetGirl | aids is also biological diversity btw, I don't quite get the argument. |
| 11:23.11 | diogenes_ | well you said why apt is not the same as others. |
| 11:23.34 | diogenes_ | aids is a bad example. |
| 11:23.34 | NetGirl | I asked why update and upgrade aren't in the same command |
| 11:23.58 | wasamasa | that's a semantic argument |
| 11:24.01 | bolt | what if I want to update the package list, then upgrade a single package, because I'm on a slow, embedded system? |
| 11:24.07 | bolt | there are plenty of reasons for this |
| 11:24.13 | wasamasa | that gives you breakage, lol |
| 11:24.23 | wasamasa | it's unsupported on arch to do partial upgrades |
| 11:24.40 | bolt | not talking about arch |
| 11:24.43 | wasamasa | I bet debian isn't different in this aspect |
| 11:24.48 | bolt | sure is. |
| 11:25.08 | ratrace | technically there's no reason for update and upgrade to be separate |
| 11:25.20 | diogenes_ | NetGirl, it's like you come from Mars, of course you can upgrade one single package withpout breaking anything. |
| 11:25.23 | bolt | ratrace: then how the heck am I supposed to update only a few packages? |
| 11:25.33 | ratrace | update can be a flag to single, upgrade command, by default run update if out of date have a --no-update flag i if you don't want it, or --update if you wanna force it |
| 11:26.08 | ratrace | bolt: you can't update "only a few packages" with apt anyway. |
| 11:26.14 | bolt | ratrace: sure you can |
| 11:26.18 | ratrace | you can update all that's pending, or nothing |
| 11:26.23 | ratrace | bolt: give me an example command? |
| 11:26.47 | bolt | ratrace: apt-get update && apt-get install apache2. this will update apache2, while leaving samba alone. |
| 11:27.03 | bolt | i updated a few packages. woop. |
| 11:27.05 | diogenes_ | ratrace, in synaptic you can click on a package and mark for upgrade and it will upgrade that single package. |
| 11:27.45 | ratrace | bolt: uhm, yea and how is using "install" in a hacky way like this in ANY way contrary to what I said? |
| 11:28.08 | bolt | ratrace: you said i couldn't update "only a few packages". and how is this remotely hacky? |
| 11:28.09 | ratrace | for example lets say there's only "upgrade" to apt, with implicit update if the cache is too old |
| 11:28.28 | ratrace | every time you run "upgrade" it runs a cache update, unless --no-update is given |
| 11:28.34 | bolt | ratrace: how is apt supposed to know the cache of my internal apt repo is too old? |
| 11:28.38 | ratrace | and proceeds to upgrade what has new version |
| 11:28.47 | ratrace | bolt: how it does now? |
| 11:29.06 | bolt | ratrace: it doesn't. that's the point. but i can update the cache without upgrading everything |
| 11:29.08 | ratrace | there's no difference between having a separate "update" and --(no-)update with implicit update run on each upgrade |
| 11:29.34 | bolt | so why advocate for a different solution? all you've done is added more god awful parameters to apt |
| 11:30.04 | ratrace | advocate? no I merely said that technically there's no reason for them to be separate. other package managers have single update command and it works just the same |
| 11:30.36 | bolt | and apt gives you freedom, and there's nobody advocating for it to change |
| 11:30.43 | bolt | sweet |
| 11:31.49 | ratrace | btw running "install" to hack around upgrade so that you "upgrade" only that one package? is hacking around apt. apt is designed to run all pending updates, not select packages. the fact that you work around it does not negate that. |
| 11:32.08 | bolt | ratrace: source? |
| 11:32.43 | ratrace | and there is perfect reason for that as apt resolves dependencies and sometimes dependencies are at run-time, functional and not expressed via packaging |
| 11:32.56 | wasamasa | I like being proven right on a #debian channel of all the things |
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| 11:33.36 | wasamasa | ratrace: million dollar question, is it possible to break your system by doing an update followed by a single-package install? |
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| 11:34.09 | bolt | ratrace: upgrading single packages on slow, embedded devices is perfectly normal. i work with embedded every day. having to upgrade everything when your storage is a size constrained flash chip or a slow wear leveling sd card would be a complete nightmare. the solution isn't a hack, it's perfectly normal workflow. |
| 11:34.25 | ratrace | wasamasa: I don't understand the question |
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| 11:34.47 | ratrace | bolt: yes, and like I said, the fact that it WORKS doesn't negate the fact that it's not designe or intended to do that |
| 11:34.55 | bolt | ratrace: source? |
| 11:34.58 | ratrace | it's hack because apt does NOT have "apt upgrade single-package-foo-bar" |
| 11:35.03 | ratrace | that's your source right there |
| 11:35.06 | wasamasa | ratrace: like, if updating the single package pulls in an extra dependency with a different soname, say ncurses |
| 11:35.31 | wasamasa | ratrace: then after the update you'd have one package using newer ncurses and tons more packages pointing to the no longer existing old ncurses |
| 11:35.34 | ratrace | wasamasa: oh you mean UPDATE, with no upgrade, then INSTALL? I suppose it is, yes, due to said functional run-time deps |
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| 11:35.44 | wasamasa | ratrace: that kind of thing is possible on arch and screws lots of people over |
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| 11:36.33 | ratrace | arch is very break-y in general |
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| 11:36.51 | wasamasa | sure, but if debian users are not aware of this, they can be hit by the same footgun :D |
| 11:36.58 | ratrace | the price of bleeding edge and insufficient testing |
| 11:37.04 | ratrace | wasamasa: correct |
| 11:37.16 | wasamasa | I wonder if there's any linux distro not affected by this problem |
| 11:37.32 | ratrace | wasamasa: I thin most packages are defined properly so run time deps ARE expressed through package deps and minimal version required, for example, but that's not always so |
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| 11:38.05 | wasamasa | nixos probably |
| 11:38.11 | ratrace | wasamasa: it's not about distro but about whether packages are defined "so well" to express ALL their dependencies via package dependencies |
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| 11:40.40 | bolt | ratrace: you really have to provide more than "i don't like that this command doesn't do this" if you want to convince anybody that installing a new version of a single package with the "install" command isn't an intended workflow |
| 11:41.18 | bolt | the manual has extensive information on how to upgrade and downgrade packages, there's loads of information on upgrading single packages to backports, and how to pin packages |
| 11:41.38 | bolt | this is perfectly normal, and you not doing it doesn't make it not so |
| 11:41.57 | ratrace | there's nothing to provide. if apt were designed to upgrade single packages, then you could do "apt upgrade single-package". it's really that simple. |
| 11:42.25 | bolt | you're perfectly welcome to believe that, of course, but you're still wrong |
| 11:42.48 | bolt | or, let me clarify, to avoid the burden of proof here, there's no reason to think you're correct |
| 11:43.00 | ratrace | the same argument applies to your logic as well |
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| 11:44.21 | bolt | ratrace: now that's wrong. it's reasonable to assume that well documented workflows are expected usages of the commands in question |
| 11:44.40 | ratrace | since apt does not have the ability to "upgrade single-package" in its regular commands, there is no reason to thin that you're correct when you say it's not hacking around apts functions when you abuse install to "upgrade" single packages. |
| 11:44.51 | ratrace | no it's not wrong, it's elementary, Watson. |
| 11:45.19 | nkuttler | ratrace: "upgrading a single package" is not something that's always possible for apt, hence it shouldn't even try to do it |
| 11:45.19 | bolt | ratrace: we've already established that your favorite command doesn't do this. however, the others do, and it's well documented. |
| 11:45.42 | bolt | ratrace: it's reasonable to assume that well documented workflows are expected usages of the commands in question |
| 11:45.45 | ratrace | nkuttler: correct, but tell bolt that, he doesn't think that's correct. |
| 11:45.53 | ratrace | sorry. they. I'm not assuming anything. |
| 11:46.06 | bolt | ratrace: "it, that" |
| 11:46.19 | bolt | if you want to play that game |
| 11:46.47 | nkuttler | if you're going to argue semantics, maybe you should take it to -offopic |
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| 11:48.07 | bolt | nkuttler: i simply object to the notion that since apt upgrade doesn't have an option to upgrade a single package, upgrading a single package isn't an intended workflow for apt |
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| 11:49.45 | YesMan | Hello |
| 11:50.08 | bolt | Greetings |
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| 11:53.03 | YesMan | I installed debian buster on a laptop, an old one at that, and I'd like to have the screen turn off when not in use. I googled about setterm, went through the man page but commands like "setterm --powersave on" or "setterm --powersave powerdown" output "Cannot (un)set powersave mode: Inapropriate ioctl for device" is that a firmware issue of some sort? |
| 11:53.39 | bolt | ratrace: The only purpose of the command "apt-get install --only-upgrade foo" is to upgrade the package foo. It does nothing else. It will not install foo, it will not upgrade anything foo doesn't depend on. It exists for a reason, and if you don't like the name, perhaps you can submit a patch. |
| 11:54.44 | YesMan | The only working one is "setterm --powerdown x" but with x (in minutes) set to one, screen doesn't go to sleep |
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| 11:57.09 | bolt | YesMan: Which laptop? |
| 11:57.41 | YesMan | a dell E1505 |
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| 12:04.08 | YesMan_ | Sry got disconnected, it's actually a dell 1501 |
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| 12:16.13 | diogenes_ | YesMan_, try: xset +dpms && xset dpms <seconds> |
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| 12:50.51 | nvz | setterm is for console afaik |
| 12:51.10 | nvz | xset os for xserver |
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| 13:00.00 | bittin_ | Debian 10.2 is now out, ISOS is still building but will be out on mirrors later today or tommorow |
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| 13:13.53 | B|ack0p | hi. |
| 13:14.12 | B|ack0p | in Software & Updates i am trying to remove a repository but it doesnt remove when i click remove |
| 13:14.48 | nvz | B|ack0p: edit the files manually, put a # in front |
| 13:14.59 | nvz | then apt update |
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| 13:15.18 | B|ack0p | nvz: i checked /etc/apt/sources.list but the repository i wanna delete doesnt exist |
| 13:15.47 | OerHeks | perhaps the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder |
| 13:15.59 | nvz | the main repos are there but additional ones can be loaded from files in sources.list.d/ |
| 13:16.04 | FightingFalcon | hi |
| 13:16.17 | bittin- | hi |
| 13:16.24 | B|ack0p | there is also no sources.list.d |
| 13:16.30 | B|ack0p | ah wait |
| 13:16.38 | B|ack0p | it is a directory not a file |
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| 13:17.20 | OerHeks | just commenting out could give unwanted results, no updates .. |
| 13:17.34 | nvz | yes you can compartmentalize sour es in individual files in that dir |
| 13:17.46 | B|ack0p | nvz: thx i deleted the file |
| 13:17.50 | B|ack0p | another problem |
| 13:17.54 | nvz | thats fine |
| 13:18.16 | B|ack0p | i think Software&Update is problematic |
| 13:18.24 | nvz | it is |
| 13:18.26 | B|ack0p | why doesnt it remove in there? |
| 13:18.46 | B|ack0p | also when i say close and revert it takes forever |
| 13:18.50 | B|ack0p | i had to kill it in terminal |
| 13:18.54 | nvz | we dont use that stuff much in debian so its less well maintained |
| 13:19.09 | B|ack0p | in ubuntu it was handy for me.. |
| 13:19.15 | nvz | at one point we had a working software center like ubuntu |
| 13:19.17 | B|ack0p | isnt it same? |
| 13:19.42 | B|ack0p | well for app download i use software center but for repository i was using software&update |
| 13:19.48 | nvz | synaptic is the best workin gui package tool in debian |
| 13:20.06 | B|ack0p | i see |
| 13:20.14 | B|ack0p | i think i dont have synaptic |
| 13:21.10 | nvz | ,i synaptic |
| 13:21.11 | judd | Package synaptic (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Graphical package manager. Version: 0.84.6; Size: 2033.7k; Installed: 7811k; Homepage: http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/synaptic |
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| 13:22.31 | B|ack0p | ok i installed it but doesnt run.. |
| 13:25.15 | B|ack0p | something is wrong with my system |
| 13:25.27 | B|ack0p | i click on synaptic but it doesnt open |
| 13:25.42 | B|ack0p | and other apps seems to be delaying when i click on them |
| 13:26.32 | nvz | yeah well gotta check the logs, resources, etc |
| 13:26.34 | B|ack0p | !synaptic |
| 13:26.34 | dpkg | Synaptic is a graphical user interface to add, remove and reinstall packages. It has dependency handling just like apt-get and integrates well with apt-get (also behaves well with aptitude too). http://wiki.debian.org/Synaptic http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSynaptic . Not to be confused with the <synaptics> touchpad driver. |
| 13:27.24 | B|ack0p | Synaptic is installed by default in Debian if you choose the desktop task. |
| 13:27.25 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, run it in term. |
| 13:27.31 | nvz | B|ack0p: dpkg -l libc6 synaptic |
| 13:28.11 | B|ack0p | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8wmxS7YnZC/ |
| 13:28.35 | frickenate | What is the most accurate and efficient way to determine (in a bash script) whether a given string is equal to a valid apt package name (at any version). As an exact string match, or pattern that can be anchored similar to "^${pkg_name}$" |
| 13:29.07 | B|ack0p | it runs in terminal |
| 13:29.10 | frickenate | I imagine it's an `apt-cache` or `dpkg-query` command, but not sure. |
| 13:29.17 | B|ack0p | but why not when i click on it? |
| 13:29.20 | nvz | ,v synaptic |
| 13:29.21 | judd | Package: synaptic on amd64 -- jessie: 0.81.2; stretch: 0.84.2; buster: 0.84.6; bullseye: 0.84.8; sid: 0.84.8 |
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| 13:30.00 | YesMan_ | diogenes_, Hi, I don't have xset, I suppose it is part of the GUI. My debian is set up as a minimal server with CLI only |
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| 13:30.02 | nvz | B|ack0p: icon prob uses pkexec |
| 13:30.24 | nvz | to grant permissions |
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| 13:30.38 | B|ack0p | what can i do? |
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| 13:31.17 | nvz | YesMan_: yes setterm is the tool for that xset is onmy for gui |
| 13:31.33 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, first of all how did you start it from terminal? |
| 13:31.41 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: sugo synaptic |
| 13:31.44 | B|ack0p | sudo* |
| 13:32.19 | jelly | frickenate: an installed package or merely available? |
| 13:32.29 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, and now see the correct command in ls /usr/share/applications | grep synaptic |
| 13:32.50 | B|ack0p | ok |
| 13:33.05 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: ~$ ls /usr/share/applications | grep synaptic |
| 13:33.05 | B|ack0p | synaptic.desktop |
| 13:33.16 | diogenes_ | locate the name of the .desktop file and do: cat /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop | grep Exec |
| 13:33.57 | B|ack0p | oh something happened |
| 13:34.19 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QVgZs7gwgG/ |
| 13:34.53 | B|ack0p | oh sorry |
| 13:34.55 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, so this is the correct command: synaptic-pkexec |
| 13:34.58 | nvz | you got somethin against paste.debian.net? :p |
| 13:35.08 | B|ack0p | nvz: no i didnt know it exist |
| 13:35.17 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: should i locate .desktop first? with cd ? |
| 13:35.22 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, try in terminal: synaptic-pkexec |
| 13:35.29 | B|ack0p | nvz: i was long time ubuntu user so i was use to that paste |
| 13:35.38 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: ok |
| 13:35.48 | nvz | it does and uses easier sequential decimsl urls for when im on mobile like now |
| 13:36.24 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: paste.debian.net/plain/1116532 |
| 13:36.33 | jelly | frickenate: "apt-cache show packagename" returns 0 if packagename is available from a configured repo, or installed or both, 100 if it's not, so you can use it in a test. |
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| 13:37.03 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, pastebin: ls /usr/share/polkit-1/actions |
| 13:37.40 | jelly | frickenate: note that it will show success even if it's an (obsolete or custom) package that's installed locally but not available from any repo |
| 13:37.45 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1116533 |
| 13:38.10 | nvz | ls /usr/share/polkit-1/actions | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 13:38.19 | nvz | also works |
| 13:38.36 | diogenes_ | nvz, then you have something agains debian paste :D |
| 13:38.55 | nvz | both are better pastebins |
| 13:39.10 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, now pastebin: cat /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/com.ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic.policy |
| 13:39.11 | nvz | nc unlike pastebinit is usually installed |
| 13:39.12 | B|ack0p | nvz: i am not good at terminal :/ |
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| 13:39.36 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: is it only synaptic issue or general with my system setup? |
| 13:39.44 | B|ack0p | as i am a newbie maybe i did something wrong |
| 13:40.02 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, yes, most likely you messed up something. |
| 13:40.07 | B|ack0p | :S |
| 13:40.11 | nvz | try replacing sudo with pkexec |
| 13:40.23 | nvz | run it like the launcher would |
| 13:40.34 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: http://paste.debian.net/1116534/ |
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| 13:40.42 | diogenes_ | nvz, he gets this error: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1116532 |
| 13:41.02 | B|ack0p | what i did is using xfce after gnome :p |
| 13:41.09 | B|ack0p | and added my user name sudoers |
| 13:42.14 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, your policy looks ok, try just: pkexec synaptic (as nvz said) |
| 13:43.04 | B|ack0p | ok |
| 13:43.23 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: :~$ pkexec synaptic |
| 13:43.23 | B|ack0p | Cannot run program synaptic: No such file or directory |
| 13:43.53 | diogenes_ | pkexec /usr/bin/synaptic |
| 13:44.12 | B|ack0p | ~$ pkexec /usr/bin/synaptic |
| 13:44.13 | B|ack0p | Error accessing /usr/bin/synaptic: No such file or directory |
| 13:44.44 | diogenes_ | oh wait, my bad: pkexec /usr/sbin/synaptic |
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| 13:45.27 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: same error : http://paste.debian.net/plain/1116535 |
| 13:45.40 | nvz | (which synaptic;echo $PATH;dpkg -L synaptic)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 13:46.42 | B|ack0p | huh |
| 13:49.55 | nvz | hmm |
| 13:50.14 | nvz | looks like the polkitd may not be running |
| 13:50.22 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, try this one: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY /usr/sbin/synaptic |
| 13:50.30 | B|ack0p | is it my mistake or something is buggy already? |
| 13:50.35 | nvz | did you remove gnome? |
| 13:50.42 | B|ack0p | no |
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| 13:51.36 | nvz | i would login gnome and take not of the startup apps or wjatever it calls em and make sure xfce is starting the same polkit stuff |
| 13:51.45 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1116536 |
| 13:52.43 | nvz | easier rule out config by makin a new user |
| 13:52.54 | diogenes_ | yeah something weird with polkit. |
| 13:53.15 | nvz | of new user is able then its somethin in yoir homedir |
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| 13:53.55 | CrystalMath | a debian update broke my font again :( |
| 13:53.59 | CrystalMath | on stable |
| 13:54.02 | nvz | but if it runs in gnome then itz the xfce session |
| 13:55.37 | B|ack0p | let me try in gnome? |
| 13:55.42 | CrystalMath | i really wish freetype made it an option, instead of making me patch the damn thing |
| 13:56.08 | CrystalMath | i'm going to have to fork freetype >.< |
| 13:57.25 | jelly | !comfort CrystalMath |
| 13:57.25 | dpkg | There, there, CrystalMath. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:59.26 | CrystalMath | :) |
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| 14:00.02 | B|ack0p | well i am on gnome classic now |
| 14:00.06 | B|ack0p | and synaptic runs fine |
| 14:00.20 | B|ack0p | it asks me password when starting |
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| 14:01.21 | nvz | then observe gnomes session/atartup and fix tje xfce to match |
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| 14:02.09 | B|ack0p | how? |
| 14:02.30 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, then in XFCE session and startup enable polkit... and gnome services . |
| 14:02.42 | diogenes_ | and re-log. |
| 14:02.51 | nvz | idk in the settings of each de is typically a list of startup commands the session manager syarts |
| 14:02.57 | B|ack0p | i wish i knew how to do |
| 14:03.12 | B|ack0p | hmm maybe startup and session manager |
| 14:03.15 | B|ack0p | let me check |
| 14:03.28 | nvz | im on the hivhway on mobile i dont know off hand the play by play for those two de |
| 14:03.35 | nvz | look around :D |
| 14:03.36 | B|ack0p | ok brb |
| 14:04.30 | diogenes_ | nvz, you're breaking the law by driving and chatting at the same time, smh. |
| 14:05.28 | nvz | im not driving |
| 14:05.44 | nvz | im in passenger seat on way to a job |
| 14:05.52 | diogenes_ | then it's ok :) |
| 14:06.28 | nvz | just left laptop at home cause im plannin on sellin it and dont wanna break it |
| 14:06.45 | nvz | gonna sell my t440 and get an x250 i think |
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| 14:08.09 | diogenes_ | btw if that guy comes back then here is what he needs to enable in 'Application Autostart' in XFCE: https://i.imgur.com/FJ0gXV8.png |
| 14:08.51 | nvz | limnoria has a later tell for this |
| 14:08.59 | nvz | freenode jas memoserv |
| 14:09.10 | nvz | dpkg person |
| 14:09.10 | dpkg | from memory, person is like a bot, but squishier |
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| 14:09.45 | jelly | dselect: later |
| 14:09.45 | dselect | yeah, see ya around whenever, jelly |
| 14:09.55 | jelly | dselect: help later |
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| 14:10.08 | jelly | nope, sorry |
| 14:10.21 | jelly | diogenes_: /msg MemoServ help |
| 14:10.35 | diogenes_ | jelly, will do thanks. |
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| 14:11.19 | nvz | i would like to find the time to fixup the limnoria later tell |
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| 14:11.55 | nvz | near as i can tell it could use ability to msg and tell on join |
| 14:11.56 | B|ack0p | no luck |
| 14:12.00 | B|ack0p | still same on xfce |
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| 14:12.16 | B|ack0p | i click on synaptic and cursor is turning but not opening |
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| 14:13.48 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, check this out: https://i.imgur.com/FJ0gXV8.png |
| 14:14.10 | diogenes_ | enable that and logout then back to XFCE. |
| 14:14.28 | B|ack0p | i need opera to open imgur links |
| 14:14.33 | B|ack0p | let me download and install |
| 14:14.54 | nvz | thats a png can use wget or curl |
| 14:15.04 | nvz | its a direct link |
| 14:15.29 | diogenes_ | nvz, afaik imgur is forbidden in his country. |
| 14:15.34 | diogenes_ | Turkay afaik. |
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| 14:15.46 | B|ack0p | yes |
| 14:15.50 | nvz | ah |
| 14:15.53 | jelly | and Opera has a builtin proxy? |
| 14:16.21 | diogenes_ | jelly, it has a vpn. |
| 14:16.38 | B|ack0p | why xfce is so buggy :S |
| 14:16.49 | B|ack0p | in software app i click on install but no action |
| 14:17.01 | B|ack0p | i am not sure if it installs or not |
| 14:17.36 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, it's not buggy at all, if you want XFCE then install Debian XFCE version because trying to migrate from one DE to another might be troublesome. |
| 14:17.55 | jelly | diogenes_: that's silly |
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| 14:18.13 | diogenes_ | jelly, why? |
| 14:18.33 | nvz | na i think there are common enough issues where session info on multiple de vets fubar for users |
| 14:18.40 | jelly | diogenes_: mere existence of a different DE installed should not break unrelated software from a different DE |
| 14:18.49 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: how will i install debian xfce? |
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| 14:19.01 | B|ack0p | i did install xfce4 |
| 14:19.05 | nvz | it shouldnt but afaik there isnt yet a standard in freedesktop for startup |
| 14:19.14 | B|ack0p | !xfce |
| 14:19.14 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:19.26 | diogenes_ | jelly, it's not about breaking stuff, it's about autostarting some services which one DE does and nother one might not or does it differently. |
| 14:19.27 | B|ack0p | !install xfce |
| 14:19.27 | jelly | B|ack0p: they're suggesting reinstalling the WHOLE OS, but picking xfce during install |
| 14:19.27 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
| 14:19.38 | B|ack0p | i see |
| 14:19.39 | jelly | B|ack0p: which I think is silly. |
| 14:19.47 | B|ack0p | yea sounds silly... |
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| 14:20.11 | B|ack0p | i didnt choose xfce during install because i thought i can install later |
| 14:20.21 | jelly | and you should be able to. |
| 14:20.42 | jelly | if things are broken because of order of installation, it's a bug to fix |
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| 14:20.43 | B|ack0p | since yesterday i am trying to tweak this xfce |
| 14:21.06 | diogenes_ | jelly, it would have been silly if B|ack0p wouldn't have this issue right now but since he experiences this issue then the idea to install a clean DE is sound enought in this particular situation. |
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| 14:21.31 | jelly | B|ack0p: you probably already tried using a fresh new user, to exclude broken settings saved in user's HOME? |
| 14:21.48 | karlpinc | I've never had trouble installing xfce after installation. |
| 14:21.52 | B|ack0p | jelly: no i didnt |
| 14:21.55 | B|ack0p | but why need? |
| 14:22.08 | B|ack0p | i installed with debian default desktop |
| 14:22.14 | B|ack0p | then gnome and xfce and mate |
| 14:22.17 | jelly | B|ack0p: it's a thing to try while debugging, to see what triggers an issue. |
| 14:22.20 | B|ack0p | everything is fine in gnome |
| 14:22.33 | B|ack0p | but it is slow |
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| 14:22.50 | humbot | the trouble comes if you need diskspace and remove the original desktop environment you had, and it takes loads of important stuff with it |
| 14:23.00 | jelly | while debugging DE issues in particular |
| 14:23.06 | B|ack0p | i see |
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| 14:23.35 | jelly | add a new user, log out, log in as fresh user with the desired DE, see if things work better |
| 14:23.41 | B|ack0p | but if i install every desktop environments possible during debian installation, i dont want every app 4-5 times |
| 14:23.54 | B|ack0p | mate installs its own terminal xfce too kde too gnome too |
| 14:23.59 | B|ack0p | why is that? |
| 14:24.03 | B|ack0p | it is annoying |
| 14:24.32 | jelly | that's inescapable consequence if you want to allow users to mix and match |
| 14:24.51 | jelly | maybe I use xfce with Konsole. |
| 14:25.03 | B|ack0p | what is that? |
| 14:25.08 | jelly | KDE's terminal. |
| 14:25.15 | B|ack0p | hmm |
| 14:25.15 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, btw here is the ISO that i installed Debian XFCE from and it has no issues: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 14:25.55 | diogenes_ | there you can pick any ISO with the desired DE already setup and running. |
| 14:26.15 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: i would like that but i have 512mb flash stick only :/ |
| 14:26.48 | Ankman | diogenes_: B|ack0p can install xfce alongside gnome and then choosewhat to use |
| 14:27.06 | Ankman | i meant no need for a new installation |
| 14:27.13 | jelly | Ankman: they already did that, and now are complaining |
| 14:27.16 | diogenes_ | Ankman, that's what he did ^^^ |
| 14:27.36 | Ankman | oh, i missed that part |
| 14:27.40 | jelly | because OMG seven different terminals |
| 14:28.44 | jelly | B|ack0p: you might even choose to use none of those DE terminals and go with, dunno, rxvt-unicode instead |
| 14:28.47 | B|ack0p | jelly: it says invalid user every use i am trying |
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| 14:29.05 | B|ack0p | user* |
| 14:29.09 | B|ack0p | i am trying to create |
| 14:29.23 | jelly | B|ack0p: how are you creating a new user? Just run "adduser test2" as root to create a user named "test2" |
| 14:29.34 | jelly | and answer the questions |
| 14:29.42 | B|ack0p | oh wait |
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| 14:30.14 | B|ack0p | answer which questions? |
| 14:30.43 | B|ack0p | brb to test the new user |
| 14:31.20 | livebrain | lol the ppl doesnt ecen the most basic stuff about debian |
| 14:31.36 | livebrain | seriously , asking about creating a new user ? |
| 14:31.55 | livebrain | ecen/even read |
| 14:32.23 | jelly | livebrain: yes seriously. Users have different backgrounds and different advance knowledge. No shame in that. |
| 14:32.42 | livebrain | yes no shame indeed |
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| 14:32.56 | livebrain | but its better to read the documentation |
| 14:33.00 | jelly | the language barrier also plays a part |
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| 14:34.29 | livebrain | and its really about creating habits , teaching ppl how to find the answers |
| 14:34.38 | livebrain | in the future it will be much better |
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| 14:35.24 | B|ack0p | back on new user |
| 14:35.26 | B|ack0p | and same |
| 14:35.33 | B|ack0p | synaptic doesnt run |
| 14:35.40 | B|ack0p | seems xfce is buggy |
| 14:35.43 | B|ack0p | imo |
| 14:35.52 | jelly | that's entirely possible. |
| 14:36.24 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, not buggy here so i can't be buggy there too. |
| 14:36.46 | B|ack0p | maybe installation package was buggy |
| 14:36.54 | B|ack0p | apt install xfce4 |
| 14:36.54 | apt | somebody said install xfce4 was fine |
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| 14:37.15 | diogenes_ | as i said, i never liked the idea of installing DE on top of another DE especially if you're a new user. |
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| 14:37.31 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: so do you suggest to use only 1 DE? |
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| 14:37.42 | B|ack0p | not change it? |
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| 14:37.46 | livebrain | why diogenes_ ? |
| 14:37.58 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, at least till you get more skills in debugging and fixing the issues, yes. |
| 14:39.02 | livebrain | https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 14:39.04 | diogenes_ | livebrain, because imagine this thing, a new user tries a distro then he wants to try another DE and finds some random command on google and fter running thise commands he gets a broken sysntem then he starts to blame that it's DE that's broken. |
| 14:39.09 | livebrain | give it a read |
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| 14:39.20 | diogenes_ | then he makes the wrong impression about the whole concept of linux |
| 14:39.31 | livebrain | it has somethibg on how to install xfce |
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| 14:39.55 | B|ack0p | that someone is me :p |
| 14:40.08 | livebrain | diogenes_: its all about creating habits, ppl should read the oficial documentation first |
| 14:40.33 | ogo | what happens when I chose sysvinit from grub boot loader? how is that different from the regular boot? |
| 14:40.37 | livebrain | before trying oit random comands on some forum |
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| 14:41.15 | diogenes_ | livebrain, people are different, one wants to learn how to fish, another one wants a fish and doesn't wnat to learn and it's wrong to give them one instead of the other. |
| 14:41.29 | diogenes_ | want* |
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| 14:41.40 | humbot | what |
| 14:42.16 | jelly | B|ack0p: did you install xfce-goodies or just xfce4 package? |
| 14:42.33 | livebrain | xfce4 should be enough |
| 14:42.56 | jelly | B|ack0p: on my buster system, starting synaptic from the menu opens a pkexec modal window asking me for administrator's password |
| 14:43.03 | jelly | !install xfce |
| 14:43.03 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
| 14:43.14 | livebrain | just go on that link and see how to run xfc4 either from the login manager or from console |
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| 14:43.16 | B|ack0p | jelly: goodies too |
| 14:43.18 | jelly | livebrain: going off that ^ |
| 14:43.42 | B|ack0p | jelly: yes that command |
| 14:43.49 | jelly | B|ack0p: do you not even get the password window at all? |
| 14:43.57 | B|ack0p | nothing opens at all |
| 14:44.09 | B|ack0p | cursors turns circles like it will open something but not |
| 14:44.10 | livebrain | run it from the terminal |
| 14:44.16 | livebrain | and see the errors |
| 14:44.27 | B|ack0p | and when i logout after that a splash appears for a second with errors |
| 14:44.37 | jelly | B|ack0p: your session might be incomplete/broken. Which DM (display manager, the thing showing the graphical login prompt) are you using? |
| 14:44.45 | B|ack0p | and then it struggles to login again.. |
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| 14:44.59 | B|ack0p | jelly: default one |
| 14:45.03 | B|ack0p | hmm |
| 14:45.07 | B|ack0p | gdm3 i think |
| 14:45.08 | jelly | B|ack0p: ps -fe |grep dm |
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| 14:45.49 | B|ack0p | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1116539 |
| 14:46.21 | jelly | starting an xfce session from sddm (DM used by KDE) seems to work better here, at least pkexec seems to work |
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| 14:47.01 | jelly | B|ack0p: so it's gdm3. it ought to work, but maybe there's buggy interaction between gdm and xfce |
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| 14:47.47 | B|ack0p | i dont know. |
| 14:48.06 | B|ack0p | if there is small net install package of xfce i can install again |
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| 14:48.16 | B|ack0p | debian-xfce |
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| 14:48.45 | jelly | B|ack0p: task-xfce-desktop picks "lightdm" instead. You could try installing and picking lightdm instead of gdm3 as DM, if that helps it means there's a bug between gdm3 and xfce. |
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| 14:49.20 | B|ack0p | ok |
| 14:49.41 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, let's see if you have the services before you install anything. |
| 14:49.59 | diogenes_ | patebin: ls ~/.config/autostart |
| 14:50.09 | diogenes_ | also: ls /etc/xdg/autostart |
| 14:50.18 | B|ack0p | ok |
| 14:51.17 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1116541 |
| 14:51.22 | jelly | what services? |
| 14:52.02 | B|ack0p | jelly: task-xfce-desktop doesnt run.. |
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| 14:52.17 | jelly | B|ack0p: sorry? |
| 14:52.37 | diogenes_ | wow, B|ack0p it looks like you have lots of mate packages, gnome packages and xfce packages and services that autostarting, that's a mess. |
| 14:52.45 | diogenes_ | so you installed mate too? |
| 14:52.48 | B|ack0p | jelly: you suggested me do task-xfce-desktop ? |
| 14:52.51 | jelly | B|ack0p: no |
| 14:53.03 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: yes |
| 14:53.05 | jelly | B|ack0p: > try installing and picking lightdm instead of gdm3 as DM |
| 14:53.18 | B|ack0p | dpkg-reconfigure lightdm |
| 14:53.32 | jelly | and install it first, if it's not installed. |
| 14:53.35 | B|ack0p | done |
| 14:53.45 | B|ack0p | i need to restart now |
| 14:53.47 | YesMan | Hey still trying to turn off the display on my laptop server. setterm doesn't fully work via SSH, while all commands work locally. Why? and is there a way to make it work via ssh? |
| 14:54.11 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, ok if that won't work then come back we gonna try to make a bit of order in that mess of services |
| 14:54.40 | jelly | diogenes_: and they're missing some gnome bits. |
| 14:54.59 | jelly | /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop # not there |
| 14:55.16 | diogenes_ | jelly, that's what i thought, many things |
| 14:55.23 | diogenes_ | many things are missing. |
| 14:55.47 | Akuw | i am getting this when try to add printer W [15/Nov/2019:23:30:29 -0300] CreateProfile failed: org.freedesktop.ColorManager.AlreadyExists:profile id \'EPSON_TM_BA_Printer-Gray..\' already exists |
| 14:56.14 | diogenes_ | turns out it uses polkit-mate-authentication-agent-1.desktop instead of polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop |
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| 14:56.55 | B|ack0p | jelly: i am on lightdm and synaptic doesnt run |
| 14:57.06 | jelly | that's interesting. |
| 14:57.11 | B|ack0p | i can re-install debian |
| 14:57.25 | B|ack0p | but is there any small package of xfce iso ? |
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| 14:57.53 | jelly | B|ack0p: did you install this system with Mate initially? |
| 14:59.07 | jelly | B|ack0p: and does, by any chance, a password window open if you try to start synaptic when logged in in Mate? |
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| 15:00.12 | jelly | goes away for a bit |
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| 15:02.11 | B|ack0p | jelly: i installed debian without nothing just default one |
| 15:02.24 | B|ack0p | later i installed gnome shell and xfce and mate |
| 15:02.43 | B|ack0p | and no password window opening |
| 15:03.04 | jelly | B|ack0p: is policykit-1-gnome package installed? |
| 15:03.26 | B|ack0p | not sure |
| 15:03.51 | jelly | B|ack0p: dplg -l packagename and look at the last line. |
| 15:04.11 | B|ack0p | not installed |
| 15:04.32 | jelly | hmm. Just for fun, install it, log off, log on with xfce and see if there's a difference |
| 15:04.33 | B|ack0p | un policykit-1-gnome <none> <none> (no description available) |
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| 15:05.14 | B|ack0p | ok brb |
| 15:06.19 | jelly | notes the line in file /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop, saying: |
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| 15:06.27 | jelly | OnlyShowIn=XFCE;Unity;X-Cinnamon; |
| 15:06.28 | B|ack0p | jelly: finally synaptic opens :p |
| 15:06.53 | B|ack0p | password dialog window opens when i click on synaptic and then opens |
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| 15:07.05 | B|ack0p | but cursor keeps opening.. |
| 15:07.12 | B|ack0p | keeps turning* |
| 15:07.24 | jelly | does synaptic start? |
| 15:07.27 | B|ack0p | yes |
| 15:07.40 | jelly | okay. I don't know what the cursor is about. |
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| 15:07.53 | jelly | can you click on stuff and use synaptic? |
| 15:08.00 | B|ack0p | yes |
| 15:08.25 | B|ack0p | software also works now to install opera |
| 15:08.35 | B|ack0p | and it installs :p |
| 15:08.44 | B|ack0p | thx jelly :) |
| 15:08.48 | jelly | it seems you had Mate installed before Gnome or Xfce, and that brought Mate policykit agent, which does not start in Xfce automatically. |
| 15:08.53 | B|ack0p | i didnt want to make diogenes upset // |
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| 15:09.03 | B|ack0p | jelly: no first i installed gnome |
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| 15:09.11 | B|ack0p | maybe i couldnt install it properly |
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| 15:09.23 | jelly | and when Gnome got installed, it did not have a hard dependency on its own polkit agent |
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| 15:10.00 | jelly | so yes, order of installation of different DEs can result in missing functionality |
| 15:10.10 | B|ack0p | should i do anything now? |
| 15:10.17 | B|ack0p | first i need to remove test user |
| 15:11.09 | jelly | diogenes was on the right track, you can thank them as well when they get back |
| 15:11.55 | jelly | even if they suggested the nuclear option as solution |
| 15:12.39 | B|ack0p | yes diogenes helped me a lot before about xfce |
| 15:13.00 | jelly | B|ack0p: "deluser username" or "userdel -r username", as root |
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| 15:13.06 | jelly | now really gone |
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| 15:15.02 | B|ack0p | jelly: thx |
| 15:15.06 | B|ack0p | goodbye |
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| 15:35.02 | ogo | what happens when I choose sysvinit from grub boot loader? how is that different from the regular boot? |
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| 15:35.55 | diogenes_ | ogo, where you see sysvinit? |
| 15:36.26 | ogo | in the "Advanced Option" submenu in the grub menu wjen I start booting the system |
| 15:36.50 | ogo | it lists three times the kernel two ofthem ae sysvinit and recovery mode |
| 15:36.59 | B|ack0p | diogenes_: synaptic issue is fixed |
| 15:37.02 | B|ack0p | thx for your helps |
| 15:38.05 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, how did you fix it? |
| 15:38.26 | B|ack0p | jelly: suggested me to install gnome-policykit |
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| 15:38.36 | B|ack0p | then synaptic started working |
| 15:38.51 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, yeah that one was missing. |
| 15:38.55 | B|ack0p | yes |
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| 15:39.12 | B|ack0p | software also working i could install opera |
| 15:40.22 | diogenes_ | ogo, sysvinit is the old init system that was replaced by systemd. |
| 15:40.25 | diogenes_ | !sysvinit |
| 15:40.26 | dpkg | sysvinit is an essential package providing System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init) required to boot a Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . As of sysvinit 2.88dsf-3, concurrent (parallel) booting is the default when <dependency based startup> is enabled. sysvinit hasn't been able to correctly boot the Linux kernel since 2003, which is why alternatives have been actively pursued. |
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| 15:42.13 | ogo | hmmm, weird. I have currently booted using the sysvinit option and I don't notice anything not working! |
| 15:43.12 | ogo | (the reason I boot sysvinit is that afetr an upgrade my ordinary boot option does't work in that I get to graphicla login of xfce but then it freezes, so I was thinking of always booting in sysvinit) |
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| 16:01.47 | boktan | hi i cannot uninstall one package i do get error everytime how to remove it? https://pastebin.com/a15ByDHS |
| 16:03.34 | B|ack0p | boktan: it is shitty right? |
| 16:03.44 | boktan | :D yes |
| 16:03.57 | B|ack0p | :) |
| 16:04.10 | boktan | can you please help me to fix my shitty problem? :D |
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| 16:04.29 | B|ack0p | sorry i am not expert on linux debian :/ |
| 16:04.44 | BrianMiller | Why does reading from /dev/random deplete the entropy pool whereas reading from /dev/urandom doesn't? |
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| 16:07.17 | YesMan | boktan try apt-get remove --fix-broken |
| 16:07.48 | boktan | this i already did |
| 16:08.14 | YesMan | and what happend? you can try --purge also |
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| 16:08.32 | boktan | nothing happend is already fixed purge same result |
| 16:08.42 | boktan | i dont know what kind of shitty package that is |
| 16:08.49 | boktan | virus is more userfriendly |
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| 16:17.03 | cybrNaut | how can i label a whole disk volume? a USB drive used to have a knoppix ISO on it. I removed all partitions and created a new GPT partition, and labeled the partition. But the disk itself still has the "knoppix" label |
| 16:17.24 | cybrNaut | it seems I need a tool called "glabel", but aptitude doesn't find it |
| 16:19.05 | Furry_Kitty | How does the #flood work? |
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| 16:27.38 | hilt | I don't know, man. |
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| 16:34.31 | cybrNaut | got my answer - and the answer is a bit disturbing |
| 16:34.50 | cybrNaut | "parted" cannot change the disk label, but "gparted" can |
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| 16:35.34 | cybrNaut | the CLI should not have less capability than the GUI |
| 16:36.26 | notsoever | 2 step auth work in debian . i am non fidelity OS |
| 16:37.10 | notsoever | work in ubuntu.... may i say...: |
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| 16:37.53 | notsoever | copy and paste him the process to install |
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| 16:39.04 | notsoever | people just dont complein |
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| 16:39.33 | notsoever | worked! ok not! other |
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| 16:41.04 | notsoever | dont ask help unless for a particular motive to stick without amazon |
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| 16:41.57 | notsoever | and bunch non recognised drivers |
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| 16:44.47 | bluejaypop | hi team, i'm trying to generate a custom image, basically what I want is to have installed an application with all the dependencies and the config files, i'm following the live systems guide but I see only live cds and I don't need a livecd. I need like a "normal" installation but when it finishes i can setup all the setup files I have. |
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| 16:47.02 | cybrNaut | bluejaypop: i think the general keyword for what you're after is PRESEED. search for that. |
| 16:47.23 | bluejaypop | cybrNaut, oh thank you, i will look for it. |
| 16:47.28 | cybrNaut | but i should warn you, i went down the path of preseeding and it was a disaster for me |
| 16:48.03 | un214 | I got it working though |
| 16:48.59 | cybrNaut | iirc, my problem was that the preseeding functionality couldn't handle the partitioning & cryptsetup layout i needed |
| 16:49.24 | cybrNaut | it got stuck in a loop |
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| 16:50.17 | un214 | oh; my technique was utterly different |
| 16:50.41 | notsoever | its all in nsa mommy |
| 16:51.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 16:51.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | im trying to find details on my bluetooth mic/headset. |
| 16:51.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | where are the volume controls.. |
| 16:52.05 | notsoever | keek me short in storage |
| 16:52.10 | un214 | debootstrap the whole thing into a chroot jail, tarball up the chroot jail, burn to cd along with boot/fdisk initrd, boot cd on target machine, partition disks, mount disks, untar into new root, write /etc/fstab, grub-install, reboot |
| 16:53.01 | notsoever | iam in jail kk not so much |
| 16:54.01 | notsoever | 2 step auth with google works |
| 16:54.11 | notsoever | by myself |
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| 16:54.55 | notsoever | amazon.... |
| 16:55.17 | notsoever | y know sad |
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| 16:58.14 | notsoever | many fails to old hardware in debian install |
| 16:58.32 | notsoever | old? |
| 16:58.51 | notsoever | indulge me 10 y |
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| 17:00.16 | notsoever | other channel have so MANY STARS |
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| 17:05.14 | notsoever | christ |
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| 17:07.41 | notsoever | so much security for an unsafe world is madness |
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| 17:09.30 | notsoever | i have a problem? |
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| 17:12.07 | wasamasa | yes, a drug problem |
| 17:12.13 | wasamasa | language problem, too |
| 17:12.32 | OS-59950 | hi can someone help lab ? |
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| 17:12.46 | notsoever | i saved |
| 17:12.46 | bn` | Most people don't have a drug problem, but they have a problem without drugs. |
| 17:13.12 | wasamasa | OS-59950: the folks at #offsec |
| 17:13.41 | notsoever | in vm i declared how to you say taxes |
| 17:13.52 | notsoever | lost |
| 17:13.57 | notsoever | in root |
| 17:14.02 | OS-59950 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.29 | OS-59950 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.57 | OS-59950 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.00 | notsoever | regain my precious rs is real |
| 17:15.08 | OS-59950 | hi how do I offsec ? |
| 17:15.44 | notsoever | in your cammand |
| 17:15.51 | zellfaze_ | OS-59950: Don't put a space at the beginning. |
| 17:17.29 | notsoever | people change |
| 17:17.44 | notsoever | thank you |
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| 17:20.56 | notsoever | i forgot root |
| 17:21.30 | wasamasa | jelly: could you do something about that blathering drunk ^ |
| 17:21.53 | notsoever | upside ubuntu safe with 2 step auth |
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| 17:23.05 | notsoever | the pasword for historical is sad damn |
| 17:23.56 | notsoever | 8? |
| 17:24.19 | notsoever | myson999 |
| 17:24.27 | notsoever | not so much |
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| 17:27.47 | YesMan | Are setterm settings saved on reboot? |
| 17:27.48 | notsoever | gonna be easy to restart.... ass relachinship |
| 17:28.32 | notsoever | linux is you all the way? |
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| 17:28.46 | notsoever | never reboot! |
| 17:30.06 | notsoever | acept programers |
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| 17:33.00 | notsoever | condor gain? malvado. i drink. sorry. |
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| 17:35.05 | jhutchins_wk | !ops notsoever is spamming the channel |
| 17:35.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: jhutchins_wk complains about a problem (see above) |
| 17:36.22 | notsoever | i did in ubuntu 2 step auth |
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| 17:36.48 | notsoever | i forgot |
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| 17:36.56 | notsoever | s* |
| 17:38.11 | notsoever | excuse my memory |
| 17:39.19 | notsoever | best rely in a non * ever |
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| 17:43.30 | notsoever | they are stong |
| 17:43.45 | notsoever | no stress |
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| 17:44.22 | notsoever | get payed? |
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| 17:45.32 | YesMan | I'd like to execute "setterm --powerdown 1 --powersave powerdown" on boot to turn off the monitor locally. is there a place for this? I tried bashrc, but it's executed on login, even remote login |
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| 17:46.28 | notsoever | i losed in firs command |
| 17:46.31 | jhutchins_wk | !rc.local |
| 17:46.31 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd> |
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| 17:47.01 | notsoever | go to bootstrap in the4m |
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| 17:49.27 | YesMan | jhutchins, thanks, I'd rather go the "right way" so writing a systemd daemon is the way to go? |
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| 17:51.03 | notsoever | old hadware u r cnady |
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| 17:53.12 | notsoever | come in |
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| 18:02.45 | martigan | What is the recommended way to stop changes being made to resolv.conf in Buster? resolvconf, modifying dhclient or chattr +i? Is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860928 relevant in Buster? |
| 18:02.46 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/860928 in dnssec-trigger,isc-dhcp-client (open): «dnssec-trigger + isc-dhcp-client: /etc/ being cluttered with tons of resolv.conf.dhclient-new.* files»; severity: important; opened: 2017-04-22; last modified: 2017-10-28. |
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| 18:06.32 | ratrace | martigan: modify dhclient. there's a hook script you can google, for /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/ |
| 18:07.17 | annadane | i'm curious, when needrestart offers to restart dbus that basically means a reboot, right? |
| 18:07.20 | notsoever | dust |
| 18:07.33 | notsoever | not |
| 18:08.28 | ratrace | annadane: I thought so too, then I read somewhere that lately dbus upgrades don't need reboot any more. Or, to be precise, *systemd* doesn't need reboot for dbus restart. Could be wrong as I'm not 100% sure. So far we had no dbus update in Buster methinks? |
| 18:08.36 | notsoever | 99 uber |
| 18:08.38 | ratrace | In stretch you definitely had to reboot |
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| 18:09.04 | annadane | i had systemd and udev upgrade, i think, from 10.1 -> 10.2... i just said screw it and rebooted anyway |
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| 18:10.02 | jelly | notsoever: keep your lines in here to tech questions or tech support please. We have #debian-offtopic for non-support. |
| 18:10.13 | notsoever | gave me 2 boots you and the |
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| 18:11.30 | annadane | i think i've tried letting needrestart restart dbus, in stretch though - and it just hangs forever |
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| 18:11.58 | Alver | Hi. I notice that there's missing firmware for my hardware in Debian (unstable); the firmware-linux-nonfree is from 07/2019. It seems to be fixed in Ubuntu since a few days; when can I expect it to arrive in Debian too? |
| 18:13.29 | nvz | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 18:13.30 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2 |
| 18:14.07 | Alver | nvz: correct. Pretty old, as you can tell :) |
| 18:14.14 | notsoever | finux-free forgot |
| 18:14.37 | ratrace | annadane: I'd probably reboot too, just to be safe. Those are unfortunately sweeping, critical, overreaching components of the OS, so better be safe than sorry. |
| 18:15.03 | jelly | Alver: file a bug report, if you're running unstable, you're aware its purpose is to help fixing things that are broken. |
| 18:15.06 | notsoever | gonna race for |
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| 18:15.54 | Alver | jelly: yes, of course. Figured that since it's a standard inclusion of new firmwares it would hit anyway soonish, but since it means bluetooth, I'm out of a mouse currently. :°) |
| 18:16.34 | martigan | ratrace: Thank you, I saw the hook script here https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf I'll give it a go. |
| 18:16.35 | jelly | notsoever: it's very hard to understand what you're writing and you're making too much noise. I've quieted you for 10 minutes. Try to use full sentences next time and keep on topic. |
| 18:16.41 | nvz | firmware is usually a single file in /lib/firmware |
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| 18:17.41 | jelly | now why did that +q not work |
| 18:18.08 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 18:18.08 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:18.10 | jelly | Alver: ^ |
| 18:18.11 | Alver | nvz: Uhuh. Downloaded the blob from kernel.org in the meantime. |
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| 18:18.15 | B|ack0p | how can i remove Mate desktop? |
| 18:18.30 | Alver | jelly: ah, heh. Good to know, thanks. |
| 18:18.45 | B|ack0p | or does removing it ruin other desktops? |
| 18:18.45 | nvz | B|ack0p: how did you install it? |
| 18:18.55 | B|ack0p | dont remember |
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| 18:18.57 | B|ack0p | !mate |
| 18:18.58 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
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| 18:19.04 | B|ack0p | !install mate |
| 18:19.04 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
| 18:19.09 | B|ack0p | probably like this |
| 18:19.51 | nvz | then do apt autoremove mate-desktop* |
| 18:20.17 | B|ack0p | as root? |
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| 18:20.36 | nvz | if you want it to do it, sure |
| 18:20.36 | grimR_ | yes root |
| 18:20.49 | B|ack0p | i did as user "sudo" |
| 18:20.50 | B|ack0p | is it ok? |
| 18:20.54 | grimR_ | yep |
| 18:20.58 | B|ack0p | thx |
| 18:21.02 | grimR_ | sure |
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| 18:30.44 | otyugh | hey ; any idea how to associate a driver's name to a debian package ? I don't find a way to reliably bind theses too things |
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| 18:37.55 | jelly | otyugh: what kind of driver? kernel third party from dkms? printer? |
| 18:38.26 | otyugh | All drivers available |
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| 18:40.08 | otyugh | but if I could have a way to reliably find one, I could re-use the method in a loop, right ? |
| 18:40.13 | jelly | otyugh: most kernel drivers come in the kernel package. Can you point out anything specific? |
| 18:40.48 | otyugh | Yeah. For instant let say I want to know what driver is included in "firmware-samsung" |
| 18:40.53 | otyugh | I wasn't able to find out |
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| 18:42.01 | otyugh | (their corresponding .ko in "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)") |
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| 18:42.53 | Habbie | otyugh, you don't mean " apt-file list firmware-samsung " right? |
| 18:43.48 | jelly | otyugh: there are NO drivers included in any firmware-* packages at all. It's only firmware. |
| 18:43.48 | otyugh | Habbie, I looked that way first. But theses files don't teach me the drivers name. It's just giving the firmwares files which have... Other names. |
| 18:43.54 | Habbie | ack |
| 18:45.51 | otyugh | jelly, let me review why I thought that, then. |
| 18:46.14 | jelly | otyugh: if you're looking for the answer to "which driver might use this particular firmware file", you'll probably have to run "modinfo" on every single .ko for a kernel |
| 18:46.26 | otyugh | I did that ! |
| 18:46.33 | martigan | So I tried the hook script recommended in https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf but after reboot resolv.conf is still changed. https://paste.debian.net/1116564/ |
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| 18:47.07 | otyugh | With no avail. Most .ko file have no valid firmware file, or not valide filename I could find using "apt-file search" |
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| 18:48.11 | otyugh | jelly, my ultimate goal was to list the relevent firmware packages to the hardware (using lspci -n) |
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| 18:48.30 | martigan | Is it ill advised to use chattr +i on resolv.conf? |
| 18:48.43 | Habbie | martigan, yes |
| 18:49.06 | jelly | !override dns |
| 18:49.06 | dpkg | To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that by ignoring the DHCP-provided DNS servers, you may find that you are unable to use captive portals or surf the web on some network. Beware creating technical debt by doing things like chattr +i |
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| 18:52.47 | otyugh | maybe I'm doing this all wrong. Instead of looking for a logic between driver<=>firmware, I should look for a list of "vendor:device" for each firmware |
| 18:54.35 | otyugh | Does theses list exist somewhere ? I found one written in the middle of a .gz documentation of radeon, but this is rather the exception. |
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| 18:54.57 | boktan | i get this on boot /dev/nvme0n1p6: clean, 11/22896640 files, 1716954/91579392 blocks how to fix it? |
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| 19:02.06 | otyugh | Random question : is the debian.net forum totally dead ? |
| 19:02.39 | boktan | on boot i get /dev/nvme0n1p6: clean, 11/22896640 files, 1716954/91579392 blocks how to fix this and what means it? |
| 19:02.53 | otyugh | boktan, this is not an error message |
| 19:02.56 | Habbie | boktan, that is not an error |
| 19:03.03 | Habbie | boktan, you should start with 'what is it', not with 'how to fix it' :) |
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| 19:03.18 | boktan | :D what means this? Habbie |
| 19:03.22 | otyugh | it only means fsck checked your filesystem and said "ok, this is a sane filesystem". |
| 19:03.36 | boktan | hmm thank you for this information |
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| 19:12.14 | karlpinc | otyugh: You're looking for pciid information? |
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| 19:14.15 | otyugh | I'm looking for a way to associate each PCI device to their firmware package. And I'm failing at it, I really don't find any way to do it, only partially. |
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| 19:15.05 | tjt263 | hey, what's DLA and DSA stand for? |
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| 19:15.21 | karlpinc | otyugh: The judd bot has a db of pciids. I forget what's there but maybe it would be helpful? |
| 19:16.22 | frikinz | judd: pciid 8086:a348 |
| 19:16.24 | judd | [8086:a348] is 'Cannon Lake PCH cAVS' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a348 |
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| 19:17.20 | otyugh | it would be helpful if I could deduc the firmware package from this |
| 19:17.22 | otyugh | ^^' |
| 19:17.57 | teardown | jigdo refuses to build the debian i386 7.2.0 image from the jigdo file and template on the mirror. here is the error, what am i doing wrong, and why must we jigdo in 2019 ==> https://termbin.com/q8s5 |
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| 19:35.29 | teardown | appearantly only jigdo-lite works... |
| 19:36.33 | hummingbee | is that really debian 7.2? |
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| 19:36.53 | teardown | hummingbee: what do you mean |
| 19:37.13 | teardown | yes i am really trying to download 7.2.0 |
| 19:37.23 | hummingbee | oh |
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| 19:42.05 | m712 | is there any way i can delete a crypto partition in debian-installer? |
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| 19:42.19 | m712 | i'm stuck with it now, can't undo |
| 19:42.33 | m712 | do i have to restart the installer? |
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| 19:43.39 | otyugh | m712, you shouldn't, but if you are stuck, here is your workaround. |
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| 19:44.11 | m712 | i tried to close the crypt disk with cryptsetup now |
| 19:44.15 | m712 | i should mention i'm doing this over ssh |
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| 19:46.23 | m712 | well using parted to delete partition #1 did the trick |
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| 19:47.06 | m712 | i was trying to encrypt my /boot but debian installer grumbled about the system not being bootable |
| 19:47.35 | drybjed | hello. is there a way to find programatically current version of the debian installer? for example current Stable release is 20190702+deb10u2, is there an URL I could GET to find out this version somehow? |
| 19:47.36 | m712 | so i guess that's post-install |
| 19:47.56 | m712 | drybjed: it should be in the Packages file i think |
| 19:48.04 | m712 | in any debian repo |
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| 19:48.34 | Habbie | https://packages.debian.org/buster/debian-installer is a smaller file than Packages |
| 19:48.37 | Habbie | but, harder to parse |
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| 19:50.03 | m712 | you can grep for http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-installer/*.dsc |
| 19:50.11 | m712 | or something like that. |
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| 19:50.47 | Habbie | i'd rather parse Packages ;) |
| 19:51.08 | drybjed | Habbie: where's the Packages file these days? |
| 19:51.35 | Habbie | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/ |
| 19:51.51 | Habbie | eh |
| 19:52.00 | Habbie | here we go http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/main/binary-amd64/ |
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| 19:53.02 | drybjed | Habbie: thanks, but these are zipped. And 10 MB at that. :-) |
| 19:53.08 | Habbie | yes |
| 19:53.16 | Habbie | that's why i said the html page is smaller, but harder to parse |
| 19:54.03 | drybjed | I suppose m712 idea might be the easiest to implement, thanks |
| 19:54.09 | m712 | curl https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz | xzgrep -A 2 "Package: debian-installer" | tail -1 |
| 19:54.23 | m712 | or rather |
| 19:54.30 | m712 | curl https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz | xzgrep -A 2 "^Package: debian-installer$" | tail -1 |
| 19:54.36 | m712 | exact match |
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| 19:55.09 | m712 | -A 1 should be enough also |
| 19:55.11 | boktan | where can i find the default /etc/bash.bashrc file from kali? i accidently removed it |
| 19:55.13 | m712 | i'm not sure if the fields move |
| 19:55.22 | m712 | boktan: i think the skel package contains it |
| 19:55.34 | m712 | or rather |
| 19:55.45 | drybjed | m712: I want to implement that in Ansible so zipped content will not really work for me :) |
| 19:55.47 | m712 | bash package* |
| 19:55.54 | Habbie | it's in the bash package on debian |
| 19:55.58 | m712 | boktan: sudo apt install --reinstall bash |
| 19:56.06 | Habbie | drybjed, so, i have to ask, what use is this number for you? |
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| 19:56.33 | m712 | checking for updates for something |
| 19:56.37 | m712 | package caching maybe |
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| 19:57.29 | drybjed | Habbie: I have an Ansible role that deploys iPXE environment with Debian netinst, with versioned installs in subdirectories. currently on each Debian release I need to update the installer version numbers, so I'm looking for a way to automate that |
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| 19:57.42 | Habbie | ah |
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| 20:00.27 | drybjed | but it looks like getting the exact version string might not be really that easy at the moment. perhaps I'll just automate getting the checksums first, version numbers can come later |
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| 20:22.15 | elm_ | I have some problems with my sound hardware: https://pastebin.com/mUqui4mJ |
| 20:22.27 | elm_ | only the hdmi sound output of the graphics card works |
| 20:22.55 | elm_ | but not the integrated 82801JD of the ICH10 |
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| 20:26.04 | elm_ | both pavucontrol and alsamixer show only the hdmi sound device |
| 20:26.39 | elm_ | #/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart does not do the trick either |
| 20:27.15 | elm_ | is there some parameter I need to pass to the snd_hda_intel kernel module? |
| 20:27.32 | elm_ | there is only /sys/class/sound/card1 but not card2 |
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| 20:30.32 | elm_ | I have an installation where it worked but I can not boot that one any more# |
| 20:30.47 | elm_ | I may inspect some configuration files though |
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| 20:36.02 | jhutchins | elm_: Which driver are you using? |
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| 20:37.03 | elm_ | snd_had_intel is the kernel module |
| 20:37.20 | elm_ | if I rmmod it everything under /sys/class/sound disappears |
| 20:37.29 | elm_ | I think pulseaudio is preinstalled |
| 20:37.37 | elm_ | how can I find that out? |
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| 20:40.51 | elm_ | firmware-intel-sound was not installed; perhaps reboot |
| 20:41.01 | jhutchins | Well, it says your audio is provided by the radeon chipset, I was wondering what radeon driver you had, although the intel sound driver is likely. |
| 20:41.26 | jhutchins | elm_: WHat's the pciid of the radeon? |
| 20:42.19 | elm_ | Caicos 01:00.1 |
| 20:43.09 | jhutchins | elm_: Nope, lspci, two four character strings in brackets separated by a colon. |
| 20:43.41 | elm_ | do you think the alsa-firmware-loaders package is required? |
| 20:44.47 | elm_ | that is the only number lspci displays; and it displays it in the front |
| 20:44.52 | elm_ | it is a very old system |
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| 20:52.47 | nifker | Is libavformat58 compatible with libavformat57? |
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| 20:57.11 | annadane | ,v libavformat57 |
| 20:57.12 | judd | Package: libavformat57 on amd64 -- stretch: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.9-dmo1+deb9u1 |
| 20:57.29 | annadane | are you still on stretch? 57 isn't in buster |
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| 21:01.26 | elm_ | no, it is a problem of the kernel module |
| 21:01.56 | elm_ | #ls -l /sys/claas/sound/card1/device : belongs to AMD graphics card |
| 21:03.18 | nifker | annadane: No I have 58 but an application is demanding 57 |
| 21:04.27 | annadane | .i libavformat57 |
| 21:04.40 | annadane | ,i libavformat57 |
| 21:04.41 | judd | No package named 'libavformat57' was found in buster/amd64. |
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| 21:13.01 | B|ack0p | hi. xfce screen lock wasnt working so i removed xscreensaver |
| 21:13.08 | B|ack0p | now screen lock doesnt work anymore |
| 21:13.31 | B|ack0p | at panel > actions button > lock screen |
| 21:13.42 | c0rnelius | i use gnome-screensaver |
| 21:13.55 | c0rnelius | seems to work smoother |
| 21:13.56 | B|ack0p | c0rnelius: on xfce? |
| 21:13.59 | c0rnelius | mhmm |
| 21:14.05 | B|ack0p | let me try |
| 21:14.31 | B|ack0p | c0rnelius: how will i get it on button? |
| 21:14.54 | B|ack0p | on panel > actions button |
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| 21:15.33 | c0rnelius | the actual command is - gnome-screensaver-command -l |
| 21:16.02 | c0rnelius | but it just works for me, if I set it as you normally would in xfce4-settings |
| 21:16.10 | swift110 | sup |
| 21:16.23 | B|ack0p | swift110: soup |
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| 21:16.41 | B|ack0p | c0rnelius: which button do you use to lock your screen? |
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| 21:18.37 | c0rnelius | i normally don't use an action button, but the default action button works. i prefer a voice command or just let the screen lock it's self. |
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| 21:22.15 | B|ack0p | c0rnelius: cool it works for me too thx |
| 21:22.22 | c0rnelius | ur welcome |
| 21:22.25 | B|ack0p | is it possible to customize the lock screen? |
| 21:22.34 | c0rnelius | i don't think so |
| 21:22.42 | c0rnelius | but i've never really tried |
| 21:22.42 | B|ack0p | grrr |
| 21:22.50 | c0rnelius | google :) |
| 21:23.09 | B|ack0p | yep :p |
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| 21:43.56 | boktan | hi i did install my nvidia drivers not have any boot problems or another problems but mentioned on this site: https://docs.kali.org/general-use/install-nvidia-drivers-on-kali-linux if i give that command: clinfo | grep -i "icd loader" should give me an output but on me its not giving any output how to fix it? |
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| 21:49.59 | towo` | boktan, why you read docs for kali linux? |
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| 21:50.46 | boktan | i dont see any difference on docs i did install with another tutorial but at the end many distro is debian based? why not? |
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| 21:51.49 | boktan | at the end with that command i on ubuntu, debian, backbox, kali linux, etc. must give an output right? |
| 21:52.48 | livebrain | debian has such a good documentation |
| 21:52.54 | livebrain | its really god |
| 21:52.55 | livebrain | good |
| 21:53.14 | towo` | boktan, no, it must not |
| 21:53.36 | towo` | boktan, espacialy if you only read parts of random docs |
| 21:53.38 | boktan | that the command not gives output means missing somethings or not? |
| 21:54.06 | boktan | my nvidia driver if not works why i can boot and laptop is smooth? |
| 21:54.46 | livebrain | maybe because its using other drivers ? |
| 21:55.07 | towo` | if it is optimus, highly possible |
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| 21:55.20 | boktan | https://i.imgur.com/bdCHX8S.png and what about this? |
| 21:55.27 | livebrain | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 21:55.31 | towo` | and the desktop does not need a rocket |
| 21:55.32 | livebrain | its really good documentation |
| 21:55.32 | B|ack0p | still gnome-classic is beautiful.. |
| 21:55.33 | boktan | yeah it is optimus hashcat -b is working too |
| 21:55.58 | towo` | boktan, you know, that on optimus the intel is driving the display? |
| 21:56.09 | towo` | so, no nvidia involved |
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| 21:56.47 | boktan | you mean also 100% im now not using the nvidia? did you check the image i sent you? |
| 21:57.20 | livebrain | what is that image supposed to say ? |
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| 21:57.29 | livebrain | that you run kali linux ? |
| 21:57.41 | towo` | boktan, and here is #debian, not #kali |
| 21:57.47 | boktan | https://i.imgur.com/6D4cSsS.png |
| 21:58.06 | boktan | after this image you still mean nvidia is not working now? |
| 21:58.15 | Mathisen | yes |
| 21:58.33 | Mathisen | it even says off |
| 21:58.43 | boktan | how to know it? |
| 21:58.48 | Mathisen | and ask the kali people. the repo they uses are diffrent |
| 21:59.20 | boktan | but even on kali docs it is showing off? https://docs.kali.org/general-use/install-nvidia-drivers-on-kali-linux Mathisen |
| 21:59.46 | Mathisen | #kali-linux |
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| 22:00.27 | livebrain | i dont understand why ppl ask about kali on a debian channel lol |
| 22:00.40 | boktan | Mathisen you know that the kali room is dead room right? :D livebrain |
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| 22:00.54 | livebrain | boktan: then choose a distro that as more "support" |
| 22:00.57 | livebrain | and change to debian |
| 22:00.58 | Mathisen | boktan, you know that kali is not devbian |
| 22:01.01 | livebrain | and then ask in the room |
| 22:01.08 | boktan | but is debian based or not? |
| 22:01.16 | boktan | or windows based? |
| 22:01.16 | livebrain | why choosing a distro that you cannot get "support" for it ? |
| 22:01.29 | livebrain | boktan: lots of distros are debian based |
| 22:01.34 | boktan | yeah |
| 22:01.36 | boktan | also? |
| 22:01.37 | livebrain | but they are not debian |
| 22:02.07 | boktan | livebrain did you installed nvidia driver on your device? |
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| 22:02.31 | livebrain | no, i didnt really care about it |
| 22:02.40 | boktan | i see |
| 22:02.42 | livebrain | the "default" is enough for me |
| 22:02.55 | boktan | for me not :D |
| 22:02.55 | livebrain | but i did installed it in the past |
| 22:03.06 | livebrain | reading the documentation helped alot |
| 22:03.47 | livebrain | but im curious |
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| 22:03.55 | livebrain | why did you choose kali ? |
| 22:04.28 | boktan | many tools i need works on kali :/ but if you have so much time to disquss about it why not have time for little bit help? :D livebrain |
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| 22:04.57 | livebrain | those tools also work in debian |
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| 22:05.18 | livebrain | for users with litle experience choosing a distro that as lots of support is a good idea |
| 22:05.32 | boktan | i did tryed but kali is more stable (i think) |
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| 22:05.41 | Mathisen | far from it |
| 22:05.47 | boktan | i dont think there is any difference if you install nvidia driver or me |
| 22:05.53 | g0zzy | Which file can i configure so that i can use xmodmap prior to the login dialog appearing? |
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| 22:06.35 | OerHeks | generally speaking kali users that seek help are subject of fun |
| 22:06.44 | jhutchins | livebrain: Little things like how drivers are configured within the installation are different between distributions. What works to fix Debian can break other distros like kali. |
| 22:07.00 | jhutchins | livebrain: The kali support people know about those differences. We do not. |
| 22:07.27 | livebrain | i agree jhutchins |
| 22:07.31 | Condor | lol, what did that notsoever smoke because I want some XD |
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| 22:08.04 | livebrain | i never really used kali, did a quick google search for it |
| 22:08.11 | livebrain | it looks a "hacker" distro lol |
| 22:08.32 | jhutchins | Ah, it's boktan, sorry livebrain |
| 22:08.41 | jhutchins | !kali |
| 22:08.42 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 22:08.42 | livebrain | ;P |
| 22:08.55 | towo` | but only install kali does not make the user the greatest hacker on earth |
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| 22:09.32 | jhutchins | Nothing quite says "wannabe hacker" like kali. |
| 22:09.49 | Mathisen | kali is not even ment to be used as a daily os. it is there to work with. |
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| 22:10.04 | annadane | i've seen one legitimate kali user seeking help in debian channels, the rest have been wannabe hacker types |
| 22:10.16 | livebrain | there are ppl who choose distros based on ideology, chooging kali to "hack" and not knowing how to instlal a simple driver is kinda ironic |
| 22:10.33 | Mathisen | agrees is livebrain |
| 22:10.39 | Mathisen | with* |
| 22:10.54 | format_c | I've just upgraded to Buster. It installed flawlessly besides update-initramfs. The issue with the newer kernel my space of by /boot partition apparently isn't enough to cope the unpacking process. Once unpacked, (and archive) deleted the space is enough. |
| 22:11.29 | format_c | Of course I need to readjust my partitions, but is there a way to temporary instruct update-initramfs to use another temporary directory to unpack the initrd image? |
| 22:11.38 | jhutchins | format_c: Another example of why partitioning will bite you sooner or later. |
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| 22:12.16 | format_c | jhutchins: Yes and I just realized, that I should have ordered my partitions in oposite order. |
| 22:12.35 | format_c | first partition /boot then all the rest..... |
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| 22:13.18 | jhutchins | format_c: Or not partitioned your dataspace. Theoretically I suppose you could create a folder wherever you have space and do a bind mount or symlink to /boot, install, then move files around. |
| 22:13.43 | format_c | Good idea. Thanks. |
| 22:14.08 | format_c | Sometimes your mind gets blocked to get the easiest way... |
| 22:15.20 | jhutchins | format_c: If you haven't cleaned up old kernels that might be enough to do the install. |
| 22:16.55 | format_c | unfortunately, with 100M I've been a little bit too optimistic. |
| 22:17.24 | format_c | Even when I delete the files for the currently running kernel, it fails to recreated due to out of space ;-( |
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| 22:19.13 | format_c | # df -h | grep boot |
| 22:19.15 | format_c | /dev/sda1 92M 59M 28M 68% /boot |
| 22:19.28 | format_c | so did it with the symlink approach from you. |
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| 22:20.09 | format_c | Worked. However I need really to realign my partitions. Thanks for now. Aptitude finished now happily. |
| 22:20.38 | jhutchins | Yay! |
| 22:21.55 | annadane | make sure to also align your spiritual chi |
| 22:22.11 | format_c | Well this is not a one-off task |
| 22:22.31 | format_c | And it may be worthless at all in my case ;-) |
| 22:23.01 | format_c | Let me reboot and see if the Gparted Live CD boots up.... |
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| 22:37.55 | g0zzy | Can someone please tell me when is the earliest to use xmodmap to remap keys? .xinitrc doesn't cut it - the LightDM greeter has unmapped keys |
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| 22:54.43 | g0zzy | j /#xfce |
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| 23:03.07 | hummingbee | i use xmodmap in a little script that's run by Application Autostart in the Session and Startup dialogue |
| 23:03.32 | hummingbee | maybe you need it on the login page too |
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| 23:03.57 | g0zzy | Ah ok. I'm just trying something a little different in .xinitrc and shall see if it works |
| 23:04.27 | g0zzy | (Namely xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap) |
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| 23:07.35 | g0zzy | hummingbee: Gah - it didn't. I don't get it. Have you found .xinitrc ignored? |
| 23:08.28 | hummingbee | i only mess with stuff like that if using an openbox type |
| 23:08.40 | g0zzy | Right |
| 23:08.45 | hummingbee | for xfce, i just use the Settings section of the menu |
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| 23:09.26 | g0zzy | Shall do likewise though i feel it's a bit ;high level' ;) |
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| 23:13.16 | g0zzy | Ha. "Please note: if you are on Xfce, it is noted on the official Xfce FAQ that you may have to create a startup item instead of using ~/.xinitrc" |
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| 23:21.41 | Aebian | When I connect my Buster machine to an strongswan ipsec vpn then no dns resolve will be done anymore. Any idea what I need to do to use the dns-server (which is local) that is written in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:21.57 | Aebian | ? |
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| 23:27.29 | jhutchins | Aebian: The vpn client needs to get the DNS from the strongswan server. That or do split tunneling. |
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| 23:29.15 | Aebian | jhutchins: well I only want dns requests servered locally, the outbound traffic should go over the strongswan server. Do you have an example for split tunneling? |
| 23:30.13 | g0zzy | Thanks hummingbee |
| 23:30.16 | jhutchins | No, I use cisco. |
| 23:30.40 | jhutchins | Aebian: Can you ping local devices by ip? |
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| 23:34.15 | Aebian | jhutchins: actually, no I can't when the vpn is active |
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| 23:38.48 | g0zzy | "A start job is running for Log Traffic" (at shutdown). This delays shutdown/reboot. Absolutely nothing for that on Google. What gives? |
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| 23:39.19 | ratrace | g0zzy: you have to figure out what's erroring out the service |
| 23:40.56 | crestfallen | hi how do I establish sound on buster with this scenario? : https://paste.ee/p/8Fqzl |
| 23:41.32 | crestfallen | firmware/drivers etc |
| 23:41.38 | g0zzy | But was is "Log Traffic"? |
| 23:41.47 | g0zzy | s/was/what |
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| 23:44.06 | ratrace | g0zzy: systemctl list-units | grep "Log Traffic" |
| 23:44.34 | format_c | jhutchins: back up. partitions resized. Well I fixed Linux booting up again. But now I'm afraid I've to take care of the W1nd0w$ partition which apparently I screwed up also :-/ |
| 23:44.41 | g0zzy | Nothing |
| 23:45.07 | format_c | well just Toy-OS. nothin important. |
| 23:45.08 | ratrace | g0zzy: add --all to systemctl |
| 23:46.26 | g0zzy | Thanks. One of my old custom ones (blush). |
| 23:48.28 | g0zzy | Don't know where the string "Log Traffic" comes into it though |
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| 23:50.56 | ratrace | g0zzy: Description= of the service unit file |
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| 23:56.36 | g0zzy | Ah OK. Thanks |
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