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| 00:04.33 | scx | Hello |
| 00:04.35 | scx | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#manpages |
| 00:04.55 | scx | What if manpages are already installed by Autotools/CMake/Meson? |
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| 00:05.29 | Habbie | scx, you need both |
| 00:05.46 | Habbie | scx, the manpages need to be installed, by any of those, or anything else; then you list them in .manpages to get them into the package |
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| 00:08.17 | scx | Habbie: so, in <package>.manpages, should I specify the path from tarball? |
| 00:08.22 | forgivenessallbi | i am really sorry for for the crap else i did scan your memory |
| 00:08.31 | scx | e.g. data/man/package.1 |
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| 00:08.46 | Habbie | scx, i -think- so, i'm no expert |
| 00:08.55 | Habbie | scx, try it :) |
| 00:08.56 | forgivenessallbi | just to apologize |
| 00:09.47 | rwt | hello |
| 00:09.57 | forgivenessallbi | i am the worse the people when i drink |
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| 00:11.11 | rwt | anyone have a bnc i can use |
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| 00:13.01 | forgivenessallbi | willing war |
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| 00:15.07 | Ether_Man | Um. Is there a way to fix https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=934293 in Buster without resorting to manually unpacking, editing, packing and installing the deb directly? |
| 00:15.10 | forgivenessallbi | war |
| 00:15.21 | forgivenessallbi | games |
| 00:15.35 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/934293 in fuse3 (closed, bullseye, sid): «fuse3.postinst fails»; severity: grave; opened: 2019-08-09; last modified: 2019-10-04. |
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| 00:22.00 | forgivenessallbi | wont bother your attention but sh*t happenig in the startup of my loved |
| 00:24.25 | somiaj | foul_owl_: do you have an actualy question about #debian, because you are off-topic |
| 00:24.31 | forgivenessallbi | Wake safe Darling, for the users |
| 00:25.50 | somiaj | Ether_Man: you don't have to unpack/repack to fix posinst scripts, just find the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info then reconfigure the package with dpkg --configure -a |
| 00:25.51 | forgivenessallbi | scasrs |
| 00:26.46 | Habbie | somiaj, did you mean to tab-complete forgivenessallbi instead of foul_owl_? |
| 00:26.57 | forgivenessallbi | y are so fast |
| 00:26.58 | somiaj | Habbie: oh yea, I completly missed it |
| 00:27.10 | forgivenessallbi | i m slow |
| 00:27.14 | annadane | what package provides shutdown in the xfce applications menu? |
| 00:27.34 | somiaj | forgivenessallbi: please stay on topic. If you don't have a question about Debian you are in the wrong place. |
| 00:28.03 | annadane | basically i have xfce4-panel in openbox but it doesn't have the "log out" thing that comes with xfce |
| 00:28.43 | forgivenessallbi | for the mice |
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| 00:29.25 | Ether_Man | somiaj, cheers. Then I just need to figure out what I actually need to change there :) |
| 00:29.27 | somiaj | annadane: probably comes with the xdg menu for xfce, not sure which package, sometimes stuff like that is in a -common package. |
| 00:29.31 | somiaj | Ether_Man: yup |
| 00:29.50 | somiaj | Ether_Man: a blanket approach, put 'exit 0' at the top of the script, package will install, but script won't do what it is supose to. |
| 00:30.16 | Ether_Man | somiaj, well sure but I'd assume the script actually does some things that are needed :) |
| 00:31.02 | Ether_Man | Gonna try just blanking out the problem line specifically though since it appears to just be a test of sorts :) |
| 00:31.40 | somiaj | lots of times it is just checking for things that could ahve been around for upgrade reasons, but yea, it is better to fix the problem then avoid the script, but sometimes a blanekt approach then fix after wards works too |
| 00:31.53 | scx | Can dh_installman handle symlinks? |
| 00:32.23 | somiaj | scx: #packaging on irc.oftc.net might be of better help for stuff like that |
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| 00:58.10 | armin | ok so i'm reading a lot of markdown. what's a recommended way of reading these files? i keep using vim because that's what i'm used to, but i'm sure there's a better way, or? |
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| 01:12.07 | ocelot | exit |
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| 01:14.39 | yans | y0! |
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| 01:36.43 | inari | Is it 'safe' to edit /etc/group directly? |
| 01:37.07 | whislock | inari: As long as you know exactly what you're doing. The existing commands are probably a better choice. |
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| 01:40.53 | inari | The question sorta implies that I don't know exactly what I'm doing, but will manage to keep syntax |
| 01:41.00 | inari | ;) |
| 01:41.31 | inari | No lockout on it? No other overhanging impending doom? |
| 01:42.01 | whislock | inari: The phrasing was intended to imply "there are commands meant to manipulate it - use them." |
| 01:42.52 | inari | I'm just trying to convince myself that the mentioned existing commands are better, but I'm tired of having to man groupmod just to add a user to a group |
| 01:43.36 | whislock | adduser <user> <group> |
| 01:44.09 | inari | Yeah, but running at root, I feel i /have/ to lookup the man first |
| 01:44.15 | inari | ;) |
| 01:44.34 | inari | Maybe something changed since last time |
| 01:44.42 | whislock | Until you get used to it, maybe you should. But "I'm not fully comfortable with the commands" does not mean that hand-jamming the file itself is a less risky proposition. |
| 01:45.03 | inari | Thanks, thats the chat i needed |
| 01:46.37 | whislock | Glad I could help! |
| 01:46.51 | sponix | I always have to google the thing to add my user to other groups also |
| 01:47.21 | sponix | thing usermod -something -G sponix is like the method I use. But again, I google it every time :P |
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| 01:47.44 | whislock | usermod -a -G group user |
| 01:48.05 | sponix | Its okay to have to lookup things you only use every 3 months or so IMHO |
| 01:48.07 | whislock | Think of it as 'add group to user.' |
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| 01:48.23 | sponix | whislock: Yeah, that looks like it |
| 01:48.32 | whislock | Debian systems have it easier. |
| 01:48.35 | whislock | adduser user group |
| 01:49.29 | inari | I was told to use useradd not adduser, so i avoid both cause i don't remember which is which |
| 01:49.53 | whislock | You can safely ignore whoever told you that. |
| 01:50.04 | inari | Thank you |
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| 01:50.18 | inari | I'll cite this room |
| 01:50.19 | whislock | Just --help the command so that you remember which one you're working with, but they both do the same thing. |
| 01:50.27 | sponix | use whatever works best for your purpose. and screw everyone else's opinions |
| 01:50.35 | whislock | Eh, I wouldn't go that far. |
| 01:50.55 | whislock | The opinions of others CAN be valuable, e.g. to guide you away from dangerous actions. |
| 01:51.18 | inari | But this raises another question. What's the bigest screwup you can do with groupadd? |
| 01:51.36 | sponix | whislock: Yeah, some truth to that. We have Mint users all the time that wanna run the whole rig as root, to avoid having to authenticate for anything :P |
| 01:52.04 | sponix | inari: give a user sudo rights that shouldn't have it -- probably :P |
| 01:52.35 | whislock | Sure, you can do unintended things with the groupadd command. |
| 01:53.01 | whislock | Modifying /etc/group itself? I'm not sure what could happen if the system doesn't know what the 'root' group is. |
| 01:53.18 | inari | Change the guid of root? |
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| 01:59.21 | sponix | inari: hmm, I think if you change the uid/gid of root -- you are gonna have issues lol |
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| 01:59.26 | sponix | I wouldn't recommend that |
| 01:59.55 | whislock | Issues like 'the system won't function.' |
| 02:00.30 | inari | I don't think it will be too bad until next login though |
| 02:00.43 | whislock | uid changes don't take effect until a new session is started. |
| 02:01.00 | whislock | Everything that root tries to launch after that will fail. |
| 02:01.36 | inari | But i also seem to remember reading that gid's are merely 'symbolic' and doesn't really matter |
| 02:01.49 | whislock | uids and gids are what actually define a user or group. |
| 02:02.02 | whislock | The name is symbolic - a human-friendly label.\ |
| 02:02.14 | inari | On the other hand, i also remember reading that they should correspond for default groups |
| 02:02.24 | inari | Ah oki |
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| 02:02.37 | inari | That makes more sense |
| 02:04.45 | inari | Fun fact: googling "stop considering gid important" takes you to bible studies |
| 02:05.04 | whislock | hahaha |
| 02:05.08 | inari | gid!=god |
| 02:06.01 | inari | "8 reasons why obedience to god is important" |
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| 02:07.00 | whislock | god is good - root is better |
| 02:07.23 | dvs | then there's me |
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| 02:24.42 | hk239 | hi |
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| 02:25.43 | hk239 | Still trying to install HP laserjet MFP M28A, currently the printer shows up in HP device manager, and 'appears' to be working, however upon printing it simply says 'started print job' , 'print job is continuing', 'print job has completed' with no errors, but it does nothing |
| 02:25.51 | hk239 | any ideas? |
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| 02:26.40 | sponix | hk239: clear the queue, reboot the machine, and try again :) |
| 02:27.49 | hk239 | sponix, doesn't work |
| 02:29.11 | sponix | hk239: Odd, just installing hplip-gui running its setup, and a simple reboot works for _most_ everyone - at least on Mint ;) |
| 02:29.39 | hk239 | okay |
| 02:29.57 | sponix | Let me fire up my real Debian 10 VM and see if it plays well with my HP |
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| 02:33.27 | sponix | hmm, still installing. didn't notice before hplip-gui had so many deps |
| 02:33.44 | somiaj | gui's often do |
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| 02:34.00 | somiaj | personally I just use a webbrowesr and connect to cups that way |
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| 02:36.01 | sponix | hk239: added hplip-gui ... ran it "HP Toolbox" from the menu. Told it network printer, it found it, told it add -- rebooting to attempt to print |
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| 02:37.35 | FrazzyDee | Hi Guys, I'm trying to set up my machine with Debian without a graphic environment (don't need it for the purpose of this box). I'm having trouble getting wifi to work, although it successfully connected through the graphical installer so clearly I'm doing something wrong. I followed the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line. When I run "sudo wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -i <interface> -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf", I get the |
| 02:37.35 | FrazzyDee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:41.15 | sponix | hk239: hmm works for me https://imgur.com/a/SMlt8E7 |
| 02:41.19 | dvs | FrazzyDee, Do you have the fireware installed for the WiFi chip? |
| 02:41.38 | sponix | hk239: HP Pro 8610 |
| 02:41.39 | dvs | s/fireware/firmware/ |
| 02:42.17 | sponix | hk239: I recommend hard wiring the printer. mine would sleep on wifi and not wake to a print job |
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| 02:45.30 | sponix | somiaj: yeah, I'm sure the gui isn't required for HP hplip printers and things to work. But I'm super lazy, so I'd rather give up the extra drive space and resources to have it done the "easy way" |
| 02:45.47 | FrazzyDee | dvs, good point, I'm not sure. It was non-free firmware. How would I check this? |
| 02:46.16 | somiaj | FrazzyDee: dmesg | grep -i firmware -- if you see errors loading firmware releated to your device, you are missing firmware |
| 02:46.17 | dvs | FrazzyDee, Do you know what WiFi chip you have? |
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| 02:48.13 | FrazzyDee | somiaj, I don't see errors, there are two lines ending in "Loaded firmware version: ...[numbers]" |
| 02:48.51 | somiaj | so it appears you have the firmware installed and it is loading. Could be something else, answer dvs' question about what chipset you have |
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| 02:51.05 | FrazzyDee | dvs, the computer is the Intel NUC BOXNUC7I5BNHX1, which I see comes with Wireless-AC 8265. Is that the chipset I have? |
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| 02:54.25 | dvs | FrazzyDee, what does "dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi" say? |
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| 02:55.29 | somiaj | suggests apt policy firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 03:00.16 | FrazzyDee | dvs, https://www.https://i.imgur.com/a8Hxtxt.jpg |
| 03:00.21 | FrazzyDee | dvs, https://i.imgur.com/a8Hxtxt.jpg |
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| 03:01.02 | dvs | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 03:01.03 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2 |
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| 03:02.30 | dvs | FrazzyDee, So "ip addr" should print an address |
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| 03:07.17 | FrazzyDee | dvs, https://i.imgur.com/8WzTzDv.jpg |
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| 03:08.39 | dvs | FrazzyDee, you're wireless interface doesn't have an internet address |
| 03:09.03 | dvs | s/you're/your |
| 03:09.33 | FrazzyDee | dvs, I tried running dhclient wlp58s0 before, it doesn't work |
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| 03:12.26 | dvs | FrazzyDee, Did you try https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant ? |
| 03:13.13 | FrazzyDee | dvs, yes. I wasn't sure where to add this so I didn't put it (I figured I don't need wpa_cli): ctrl_interface=/run/wpa_supplicant |
| 03:13.14 | FrazzyDee | update_config=1 |
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| 03:13.43 | sponix | FrazzyDee: if this is a desktop with an open slot I can point you to a $35 USD Card that will work out of the box very well :) |
| 03:14.07 | FrazzyDee | and sudo systemctl restart dhcpcd.service says dhcpcd.service not found. Otherwise, I followed all the instructions |
| 03:14.37 | dvs | sponix, it's a NUC |
| 03:14.38 | FrazzyDee | sponix, no open slot :) It's one of those intel NUC mini PC's that I'm going to shove into a cabinet :) |
| 03:15.26 | sponix | Would think the Intel NUC would have the common and well supported Intel Wifi chipset -- like the card I was getting ready to point you to :P |
| 03:17.12 | FrazzyDee | You'd think. It worked without a hitch during the graphical install process. I think I am doing something wrong. |
| 03:17.46 | sponix | FrazzyDee: maybe you need to quit being headless, and just do the Debian+xfce install lol ;) |
| 03:17.47 | dvs | FrazzyDee, What does "apt policy isc-dhcp-client" say? |
| 03:18.58 | FrazzyDee | dvs, Installed: 4.4.1-2 |
| 03:19.03 | FrazzyDee | dvs, do you need the full screenshot? |
| 03:19.28 | dvs | ,v isc-dhcp-client |
| 03:19.29 | judd | Package: isc-dhcp-client on amd64 -- jessie: 4.3.1-6+deb8u3; jessie-security: 4.3.1-6+deb8u3; stretch: 4.3.5-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4.3.5-3+deb9u1; bullseye: 4.4.1-2; buster: 4.4.1-2; sid: 4.4.1-2 |
| 03:19.42 | dvs | That the right version |
| 03:19.50 | FrazzyDee | sponix, if it comes to that, yes I could do that to configure the machine and uninstall / disable xfce later. This is going to be a headless machine. |
| 03:20.22 | FrazzyDee | I'd feel kind of incompetent but w/e ;) |
| 03:20.52 | sponix | FrazzyDee: xfce alone with no GUI apps loaded in it, takes very little resources anyway |
| 03:20.59 | sponix | goes to look at his VM for details |
| 03:23.34 | dvs | FrazzyDee, Well, sudo systemctl restart dhcpcd.service only restarts the service immedietely. I'd edit the /etc/network/interfaces as indicated in the guide. |
| 03:24.09 | dvs | then reboot afterwards |
| 03:26.08 | sponix | So, if I get a Pi 4 and drop Debian on it -- Is this still the spot I come to for help ? |
| 03:26.35 | dvs | sponix, Chances are you're going to end up with raspbian so no. |
| 03:27.08 | sponix | dvs: Oh |
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| 03:33.29 | FrazzyDee | dvs, I did edit the /etc/network/interfaces as indicated. |
| 03:33.29 | FrazzyDee | I can actually set this machine up without wifi, I think. Let's just fuck this whole process and run a cable :P |
| 03:33.44 | FrazzyDee | Thank you so much for your help dvs :) |
| 03:33.53 | dvs | ooooooook... no prob. |
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| 03:46.22 | Wikiwide | I have a laptop with a removable disk drive (the kind that can be replaces with an empty spacer, or a secondary battery). |
| 03:47.59 | Wikiwide | I want to test whether: 1) my laptop can work with disk drives; 2) this disk drive works. |
| 03:48.54 | Wikiwide | So far, the LED lights up, the button works, I can insert disks or remove them. |
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| 03:51.06 | Wikiwide | But, Thunar doesn't seem to detect the disk at all. |
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| 03:52.46 | Wikiwide | Ata4 says: status: Drdy df drq sense err. |
| 03:53.00 | Wikiwide | Then, Ata4 says: Soft resetting link: Nodev after polling detection: revalidation failed. Three times. |
| 03:53.21 | Wikiwide | Then *disabled*, soft resetting link, EH complete. |
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| 05:24.00 | trysten | is gdebi still a go to tool for installing stand alone debs? |
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| 05:31.02 | at0m|c | trysten: dpkg -i $deb |
| 05:31.50 | Unit193 | Perhaps apt install ./file.deb would be better at this point than dpkg -i. |
| 05:32.46 | at0m|c | cool. at least, neither apt or dpkg run GUI stuff as root. in my opinion, root has no business on desktop whatsoever. |
| 05:33.10 | trysten | apt install ./file.deb will grab dependencies? awesome! |
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| 06:51.30 | somiaj | Might suggest chaning your password anywhere it was used since that is now public |
| 06:51.41 | somiaj | or maybe it is just bait |
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| 07:49.16 | xm4n | HI, anyone using AWS via awscli in Debian? |
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| 07:59.18 | at0m|c | !anyone |
| 07:59.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 08:12.21 | xm4n | Which free or open-source FPS games are the best in Debian? |
| 08:12.43 | herzlichweise | xm4n: have a look at the debian games project on the web |
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| 08:19.12 | ratrace | xm4n: I wholeheartedly recommend Enigma |
| 08:19.35 | ratrace | oh wait... you asked FPS.... that's not it... |
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| 08:21.48 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
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| 08:25.09 | herzlichweise | one day i learn to use this |
| 08:26.16 | OS-56688 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:28.11 | herzlichweise | SELECT PACKAGE with CATEGORY 'games' SORTED BY 'highest popcon value' |
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| 08:30.04 | xm4n | Cool, thanks I'll check it out! |
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| 08:47.43 | herzlichweise | oh no, connects are only possible from within the project |
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| 08:48.45 | jelly | herzlichweise: import a dump nto your own postgres |
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| 08:49.25 | herzlichweise | exciting idea |
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| 09:11.04 | Ede|Popede | "users". shouldn't it read "team members"? |
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| 09:14.17 | jelly | Ede|Popede: context? |
| 09:15.09 | Ede|Popede | jelly: on the udd's wiki page. and even on the start page. user is "someone who uses debian" in debian context. |
| 09:15.41 | Ede|Popede | including LOTS of people who never have touched knowingly a DBS in their life |
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| 09:16.43 | herzlichweise | in the beginning guests could access some commands |
| 09:16.53 | jelly | Ede|Popede: user is someone who uses udd in udd context, I'd say |
| 09:17.13 | herzlichweise | to times of Alioth, i believe |
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| 09:18.26 | herzlichweise | but now - 2GB of pure data. wow! |
| 09:18.39 | Ede|Popede | jelly: but then it shouldn't even be a thing in an end user support channel. only in its own. or this user thing should CLEARLY be stated. |
| 09:18.59 | Ede|Popede | heh. hamm came on 2 CDSs ;) |
| 09:18.59 | herzlichweise | ah |
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| 09:19.24 | herzlichweise | not binary stuff. not software packages. DATA! |
| 09:19.47 | herzlichweise | its crazy nice |
| 09:19.48 | jelly | Ede|Popede: I bet at least some of our users are capable enough to grab a dump and import it into their own postgresql |
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| 09:20.25 | herzlichweise | with hints :) |
| 09:20.54 | Ede|Popede | i also followed firefox for some years. (never purged the package cache in wheezy and also made downloaded some tarballs from upstream). same here. 1) everything bloats over the years. 2) there's a lot more of this everything with time. |
| 09:21.48 | Ede|Popede | divx once was used to rip movies to a size which would fit on a CD. and now? Blu-ray.... |
| 09:22.52 | Ede|Popede | the good thing is that backups of really old stuff aren't a thing anymore. how many CDs on a 6TB HDD? but really... that's insane. |
| 09:23.57 | jelly | you can HEVC reencode a 4k 50GB bluray to something like 1GB size just as well as you could reencode a 4-8GB dvd to a 650GB mpeg4 ("divx") |
| 09:24.55 | Ede|Popede | jelly: "some". linux isn't used by computer experts anymore today. and while debian doesn't have to sell overpriced copies to survive it would still be good to see it not being a niche product for people who seem to have too much time |
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| 09:25.59 | jelly | Ede|Popede: that "good to see" translates to thousands of hours of continuous work to make it that way |
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| 09:26.19 | jelly | and keep it there |
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| 09:26.37 | foul_owl_ | What happened to libcurl3? |
| 09:26.42 | xormor | Ede|Popede, oh. Linux is used in the Android phones and servers, and some use it as a desktop. But mostly Linux is for servers, cell phones and for hackers and tinkerers. |
| 09:26.55 | CrazyTux | does mate provide better battery life as compared to Cinnamon? |
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| 09:27.09 | foul_owl_ | I had a library that wouldn't work unless I upgraded to debian 10, I tested in a vm, worked great, then in the last week it looks like libcurl3 went away |
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| 09:31.24 | jelly | ,v libcurl3 |
| 09:31.25 | judd | Package: libcurl3 on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u16; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9 |
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| 09:32.04 | jelly | looks like libcurl3 openssl build went away probably earlier than last week |
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| 09:33.14 | Ede|Popede | xormor: so what would be the alternative on the desktop? wintel? apple crap? with their market power and their exclusive access to the code including their ability to force users to buy a new computer every 2 years (they'd just have to rely on new hardware features in the OS's core) or leave them back with unpatched, unsecure systems, they lost their credibility, should they ever have had one. |
| 09:33.37 | foul_owl_ | I tested this with Debian 10 in a vm a few weeks ago and I know for a fact it worked |
| 09:33.41 | jelly | foul_owl_: the package was renamed to libcurl4 around Wed, 23 May 2018 (7.60.0-2) because openssl 1.0 -> 1.1 introduced an ABI change |
| 09:33.49 | foul_owl_ | There is no libcurl3 package for deb 10? |
| 09:34.06 | jelly | foul_owl_: tested what? Maybe your binary accidentally worked with libcurl4? |
| 09:34.51 | foul_owl_ | Let me find a link here, one second |
| 09:35.24 | foul_owl_ | https://github.com/osxmidi/SFZero-X/releases/download/0.5/SFZero-X--0.5.zip |
| 09:35.29 | Deknos | hi, does anyone know why qemu/kvm does not support the skewed screen resolutions like virtualbox does? that would be really good. like 1920x992 or 2048x1152? |
| 09:35.46 | foul_owl_ | I tested loading it in reaper about two weeks ago in debian 10 and it worked perfectly |
| 09:36.09 | foul_owl_ | Perhaps I am doing something stupid though :) |
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| 09:36.27 | foul_owl_ | I'm not sure why a soundfont plugin would need curl of all things, haha |
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| 09:37.03 | foul_owl_ | Basically, my goal for the last 6 months has been to get a soundfont to play in a daw in linux...it worked for one fleeting day on a test vm :( |
| 09:37.05 | jelly | foul_owl_: you'll probably need to show more details. |
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| 09:38.50 | jelly | like your whole sound stack, and which component is failing, and where you got it from, and its "ldd" or logs where it's failing |
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| 09:39.52 | foul_owl_ | The sound stack is a dummy stack, I just render to a file |
| 09:39.58 | foul_owl_ | At least in the vm I do |
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| 09:41.35 | foul_owl_ | Let me try ldd here |
| 09:42.07 | foul_owl_ | Ahhh ok so running ldd on the library just by itself gives an error |
| 09:42.34 | foul_owl_ | "version CURL_OPENSSL_3 not found" |
| 09:42.57 | jelly | and where does said library come from? |
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| 09:44.13 | foul_owl_ | Library comes from here: https://github.com/osxmidi/SFZero-X/releases |
| 09:44.24 | foul_owl_ | https://github.com/osxmidi/SFZero-X/releases/download/0.5/SFZero-X--0.5.zip |
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| 09:44.41 | foul_owl_ | What is strange though is in the ldd output I see: |
| 09:44.58 | foul_owl_ | libcurl.so.4 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 |
| 09:45.03 | foul_owl_ | Isn't that libcurl4 ? |
| 09:46.25 | foul_owl_ | Does LDD have a way to try and "fix" a library ? |
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| 09:46.46 | foul_owl_ | The file in question I'm looking at is "SFZero.so" |
| 09:48.39 | foul_owl_ | I know I'm an idiot for even attempting to use Linux for audio but I swear to you, I saw this working with my own eyes only two weeks ago |
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| 09:49.36 | foul_owl_ | Thank you for the help :( sorry this library is total garbage, trying to build from source is impossible |
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| 09:49.53 | foul_owl_ | I would use another library but an alternative simply doesn't exist as far as I can tell |
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| 09:53.20 | node496 | Hi. After upgrading to Buster, how can you check what pre-existing packages that were installed from a previous version of Debian are no longer available from Buster repo? Thank you |
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| 09:53.56 | jelly | foul_owl_: libcurl3 and libcurl4 have the same SONAME libcurl.so.4 but are incompatible. So you can't have both packages installed at the same time. |
| 09:54.05 | foul_owl_ | Ah, gotcha :( |
| 09:54.10 | foul_owl_ | Not sure how I had this working, I feel so stupid |
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| 09:54.21 | foul_owl_ | Maybe I tested it on debian 9, not 10 |
| 09:54.21 | jelly | node496: /msg dpkg obsolete |
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| 09:54.46 | foul_owl_ | jelly: Well, thank you for the help, I think my only option is to try and compile this ^@#$& thing from src |
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| 09:55.01 | jelly | foul_owl_: how hard can it be! :-P |
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| 09:55.58 | foul_owl_ | Well looks like it depends on about a trillion libraries including some semi-proprietary frameworks, and has no makefile :P |
| 09:56.07 | foul_owl_ | Alright i'm out, thank you again |
| 09:56.22 | jelly | foul_owl_: or keep using it in a debian 9 chroot |
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| 09:57.10 | jelly | foul_owl_: or unpack libcurl3 from debian 9 somewhere, LD_PRELOAD it and hope absolutely nothing else in the stack uses libcurl |
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| 09:57.19 | node496 | Thanks @jelly but I don't have aptitude, command not found. |
| 09:57.25 | jelly | node496: install it. |
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| 09:57.48 | herzlichweise | !pg_restore |
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| 09:58.42 | jelly | herzlichweise: you can ask dpkg about things in private, /msg dpkg stuff |
| 09:58.58 | herzlichweise | nods |
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| 10:08.47 | ilikeyou | morning. is deb-pkg working on stable? was working fine for me on old stable, but it fails for every config I try on stable. |
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| 10:10.59 | jelly | foul_owl_: their SFZero-X--0.5-Ubuntu-18.04.zip seems to be built against either libcurl3-gnutls or libcurl4-gnutls, and both of those do exist in buster |
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| 10:12.39 | jelly | ilikeyou: "make deb-pkg", which kernel and how does it fail? |
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| 10:16.59 | ilikeyou | jelly: if apt source Linux, it pulls 5.3.7 . it will make for a few minutes, and fail will error code 2, Makefile 1337 and others. i tried to pull the pristine from kernel.org and try, but same |
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| 10:17.56 | ilikeyou | tried to just mv the boot/.config, or just menuconfig. all fails |
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| 10:22.34 | _DeLa_ | Hi there! I was just wondering in what approximate timeframe can I expect Debian 10 to update the currently found packages for a software like Seafile ( https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=buster&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=seafile )? Any experiences / guesses? |
| 10:25.27 | xormor | Ede|Popede, I think there must be millions of Linux desktop users in the world. At least 10 million. Even 100 million. Some also use other operating systems. |
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| 10:26.34 | aodhneine | hello |
| 10:26.54 | xormor | Ede|Popede, servers are mostly Linux. all Android phones are. about 20-25 years ago FreeBSD was the main server used, usually. Even Microsoft used it. And Apple uses BSD Mach. The desktop can be independently designed from the architecture under it, at least the user interface - what the user sees and uses. |
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| 10:30.41 | jmd | In what package does one find xdvi these days? |
| 10:31.58 | herzlichweise | dpkg -S or apt-file can tell you. or you can query packages.debian.org |
| 10:31.58 | dpkg | Dingos ate my or apt-file can tell you. or you can query packages.debian.org! |
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| 10:38.08 | herzlichweise | i issue this command as postgres user: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 | pg_restore -e -j 8 -v -d udd /home/patrick/udd/udd.dump |
| 10:38.24 | herzlichweise | but it keeps replying in german |
| 10:38.46 | herzlichweise | oh, one idea .... |
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| 10:41.20 | herzlichweise | nope, did a dpkg-reconfigure locales and now the error message is mixed english with a bit of german |
| 10:43.33 | herzlichweise | the actual error is that "CREATE SCHEMA public" failed cause it already exists. but i did "dropdb udd" |
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| 10:56.49 | herzlichweise | okay, lets ignore the locale problem for a moment. these are the commands i use to import the udd db: http://paste.debian.net/1108597/ |
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| 10:57.30 | herzlichweise | any ideas whats wrong with it? |
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| 11:08.45 | jelly | herzlichweise: maybe you need --clean, or don't tell pg_restore to exit on first error? |
| 11:09.34 | jelly | or don't createdb in advance and let restore create it? |
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| 11:17.32 | herzlichweise | when i dont use creatdb i get the error that the db does not exist |
| 11:17.45 | herzlichweise | trying --clean now |
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| 11:19.22 | herzlichweise | oh man, i lost track of what i am doing |
| 11:20.34 | herzlichweise | the idea was to exit on first error so i can walk step by step |
| 11:24.32 | herzlichweise | wow, its working now without the obscure "-j 8 -v -d udd" options |
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| 11:25.00 | herzlichweise | jelly: i just wanted to give up a few seconds before you posted :) |
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| 11:31.04 | uio | When do you think 10.2 will be out? |
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| 11:38.06 | herzlichweise | uio: hard to predict, i would say |
| 11:38.45 | jelly | uio: point releases are usually a couple months apart, I would not bet on any date before December |
| 11:39.32 | uio | herzlichweise, jelly Cool. I'll keep my eye out. Do you know if there are any major or important changes that will be made then? |
| 11:39.51 | jelly | there are almost never major changes in point releases. |
| 11:40.16 | jelly | !point release |
| 11:40.16 | dpkg | Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. If you track security updates regularly (as you should!) there will often be no updates for you in the point release. You can upgrade to the latest point release with "apt update && apt full-upgrade". Ask me about <9.11>, <10.1>.. https://release.debian.org/ for a schedule |
| 11:41.26 | ratrace | depends on the definition of "major". 10.1 nuked ZFS performance due to kernel rebase and upstream lying through their teeth. |
| 11:41.52 | uio | Indeed 'stable (10.2) Not yet planned' from https://release.debian.org/ |
| 11:42.05 | uio | ratrace, It was better in 10.0? |
| 11:42.36 | ratrace | uio: yes. ZFS on Debian patched out SIMD support in preparation for the 10.1 kernel, back in June |
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| 11:43.09 | ratrace | had to, or else it wouldn't build, because the kernel devs lied and backported NEW FEATURE into "LTS" (the GLP symbols export drama) |
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| 11:44.29 | ratrace | so it really depends what someone considers "major change". point releases DO bring up new versions of some software (kernel rebase primarily) which might have side-effects, like this one. |
| 11:44.41 | uio | ratrace, Interesting. |
| 11:45.10 | uio | 10.0 to 10.0 was smooth for me. 9 to 10 wasn't. I'll hope that 10.1 to 10.2 goes well! |
| 11:45.19 | herzlichweise | but that only bothers people who use ZFS, right? |
| 11:45.30 | ratrace | herzlichweise: this particular issue? yea. |
| 11:45.51 | jelly | ratrace: that's really just a breakage of an out-of-tree module. Happens with nvidia driver all the time. |
| 11:46.10 | jelly | it's a huge deal... for people that actually use it. |
| 11:46.43 | herzlichweise | its a miracle for me that the ZFS package of BSD can be used on Linux now too |
| 11:46.47 | ratrace | jelly: it's a breakage of fully supported debian package. doesn' tmatter if it's out of tree module or something else. this should never have happened in the first place, and the blame is on GKH and friends who are backporting political features from newer kernels into older LTS |
| 11:47.33 | uio | ratrace, What is a 'political feature'? I've never heard of those before! |
| 11:47.42 | jelly | ratrace: i thought you said Debian patched out the optimiziations, so it wasn't breakage but performance regression? |
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| 11:48.22 | ratrace | uio: GPL symbols export. a change was made in 5.x kernels that prevented ZFS usage of some API functions due to license. Fine, but it should NOT have been backported to LTS. It was NOT a bug fix or a security fix. It was a purely political move. |
| 11:48.29 | ratrace | jelly: yes. |
| 11:48.31 | jelly | in any case, Debian is often left at the mercy of upstream, and can't fix everything |
| 11:48.39 | ratrace | oh I'm not blaming Debian here. |
| 11:49.49 | ratrace | additional problem is ZFS tried to work around that, which lead to some bad assumptions and data corrupting bugs (which was reverted and the rever is reflected in Debian's stable backports ZFS) |
| 11:51.23 | ratrace | jelly: the "breakage" was in that ZFS stopped building and need patches in order to continue build for Debian. It resulted in (severe) performance regressions in some cases. |
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| 11:58.58 | yokowka | is winamp for linux? |
| 11:59.15 | yokowka | oh? heavenO? everysoul! |
| 12:00.50 | ratrace | it's WINamp, not LINamp. |
| 12:01.10 | herzlichweise | so after 35 minutes pg_restore decided to freeze |
| 12:01.29 | HelloShitty | hello |
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| 12:01.50 | HelloShitty | Are ebian Forums offline? |
| 12:01.58 | HelloShitty | I can't load their site |
| 12:02.10 | HelloShitty | Could anyone try for me, please? |
| 12:02.13 | ratrace | WorksForMe |
| 12:02.30 | HelloShitty | hum, ok, thank you ratrace |
| 12:02.52 | HelloShitty | forums.debian.net took too long to respond. |
| 12:03.01 | HelloShitty | ERR_TIMED_OUT |
| 12:03.04 | ratrace | there are also "Is it down or is it me" sites that can verify that for you independently. |
| 12:03.06 | HelloShitty | I'm getting this |
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| 12:03.21 | uio | I didn't know there was a debian forum site! |
| 12:03.22 | HelloShitty | Really? Didn't know about that one |
| 12:03.23 | HelloShitty | heheh |
| 12:03.25 | HelloShitty | let me try |
| 12:03.29 | uio | HelloShitty, It works for me too. |
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| 12:03.49 | ratrace | HelloShitty: google for "Is it down" and you'll get a list of few |
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| 12:04.17 | uio | HelloShitty, Startpage.com is great too :) |
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| 12:04.41 | HelloShitty | yeah, it says it's up |
| 12:04.51 | HelloShitty | but my other sites I'm using, are working |
| 12:04.57 | HelloShitty | So I wonder what is the problem |
| 12:05.19 | uio | HelloShitty, Try a different browser maybe? |
| 12:05.20 | ratrace | HelloShitty: you can start troubleshooting by checking if it's DNS issue or routing |
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| 12:06.14 | HelloShitty | I'm learning the basics of networking because I have a critical lack of knowlege so I have no clue how to do that |
| 12:06.22 | ratrace | or restart the browser for starters. they have this dumb policy of ignoring TTL and keeping a 60 second internal DNS cache, which includes NXDOMAIN and SRVFAIL responses |
| 12:07.01 | HelloShitty | I think I'm using cloufare's DNS servers in my network settings |
| 12:07.06 | HelloShitty | not sure if this might be a problems |
| 12:07.10 | ratrace | like, maybe there was a trnsitional negative DNS reply for a moment. Happens sometimes |
| 12:07.14 | HelloShitty | 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1 |
| 12:07.20 | uio | That's great that there is a forum... I'm wondering why in all my troubleshooting efforts over the past months I never got a result from that site though... |
| 12:07.38 | uio | Do you people use the forums? |
| 12:07.51 | ratrace | uio: I don't remember last time seeing a result on google that links into debian forums either.... funny, now that you mention it |
| 12:08.08 | HelloShitty | uio: that's probabvly because you have a level of knowledge well above the average and therefore, most of your issues were not easy to solve |
| 12:08.13 | HelloShitty | even for an advanced user |
| 12:08.16 | HelloShitty | just a guess |
| 12:08.55 | uio | HelloShitty, Um... me? No, ask anyone here - I know just enough to break things! And simple problems take forever for me to solve. |
| 12:09.17 | HelloShitty | Hum, not sure that is accurate... lol |
| 12:09.28 | HelloShitty | That would be more like me |
| 12:09.45 | uio | I like Debian because of its philosophy, but my level is more in line with the buntus. |
| 12:09.56 | ratrace | senses Heresy |
| 12:09.59 | HelloShitty | I use Debian for several years now but I feel I just can't soak the knowledge I see everyone has but me |
| 12:10.21 | HelloShitty | For instance |
| 12:10.35 | HelloShitty | I can give you my actual situation |
| 12:10.42 | uio | HelloShitty, I also get the feeling that people here have some kind of techinical know-how. |
| 12:10.42 | HelloShitty | which I think is basic knowlege |
| 12:10.53 | HelloShitty | but I'm affraid I'm might be missing somehting |
| 12:10.54 | uio | ratrace, Heresy? WHOIS? |
| 12:10.56 | humpled | do you make notes? |
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| 12:11.26 | HelloShitty | I have a bookmark on my chromium with about 50 sites with things I usually need |
| 12:11.41 | HelloShitty | because I use them today and I only use it again in many time from now |
| 12:11.44 | HelloShitty | so I don't memorize it |
| 12:12.40 | HelloShitty | since basic things such as using tar, common vim commands, using gpg, adding users to Debian, related with ps aux and htop, etc etc etc |
| 12:13.09 | HelloShitty | file permissions system |
| 12:13.32 | HelloShitty | debian filesystems, folders structures and what each folder contains what |
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| 12:13.54 | HelloShitty | well, endless subjects |
| 12:14.16 | HelloShitty | And I was searching now for Debian forums for another basic thing, for sure |
| 12:14.31 | HelloShitty | it's basic knowledge probably but I don't know it, at least from memory |
| 12:14.41 | HelloShitty | I'm about to update to current stable |
| 12:14.45 | HelloShitty | Buster |
| 12:14.52 | uio | More often when I search for solutions to a problem with Debian I get the Ubuntu forums. lol. Sometimes it helps. |
| 12:14.57 | jelly | HelloShitty: http://forums.debian.net/ works from here. https://forums.debian.net/ does not. |
| 12:15.00 | HelloShitty | and I idn't open my sources.list for quite long time now |
| 12:15.15 | uio | jelly, no https ?! |
| 12:15.25 | humpled | no |
| 12:15.33 | humpled | no one asked about https tho |
| 12:15.33 | jelly | uio: I didn't say "no https". I said "https URL does not work" |
| 12:15.55 | HelloShitty | jelly: that is the probem indeed |
| 12:15.56 | uio | jelly, Forgive my ignorance - what's the difference? |
| 12:16.03 | HelloShitty | I have an extension to force https in all sites |
| 12:16.15 | uio | HelloShitty, jelly Ah, so no https... |
| 12:16.16 | humpled | i find that making my own notes helps with my understanding and memory |
| 12:16.23 | jelly | uio: the first, for me, implies it's not even offered |
| 12:16.44 | HelloShitty | My actual issue is that I'm about to upate to Buster |
| 12:16.51 | Ede|Popede | uio, same here. somehow google prefers ubuntu, even when i use "debian" in the search term. more users, more popcon users, more popular, better relations amongst billionaires, who knows. |
| 12:16.51 | HelloShitty | and as I didn't open sources.list for so long |
| 12:16.57 | HelloShitty | I opened it now to change mirrors |
| 12:17.06 | HelloShitty | and I find something weird |
| 12:17.30 | HelloShitty | that I don't know if it's the same (duplicate lnes in terms of contents) or if is there any difference |
| 12:17.33 | uio | jelly, So, you mean there is an https? |
| 12:17.38 | jelly | !stretch sources.list |
| 12:17.38 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 12:17.39 | humpled | do you study debian topics when you don't have an immediate problem? |
| 12:18.18 | jelly | HelloShitty: if unsure, move away current file and replace with safe values? |
| 12:18.43 | jelly | uio: there's something listening on https port, but there's no valid response. |
| 12:19.02 | uio | jelly, Okay, so it exists, but is kinda broken? |
| 12:19.06 | jelly | yes |
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| 12:19.21 | HelloShitty | jelly: but in the past I might have added that line and I don't remember now |
| 12:19.28 | HelloShitty | and if I remove it I can get into troubles |
| 12:19.40 | HelloShitty | and then I might not know where the troubles are coming from |
| 12:19.40 | uio | jelly, It's like my bank website. I try not to worry about it too much. |
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| 12:19.46 | jelly | HelloShitty: if you want someone to take a look, pastebin the whole file |
| 12:19.55 | HelloShitty | yeah, that's what I'm going to do |
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| 12:20.41 | humpled | no one suggested to REmove it HelloShitty, mv it to say, sources.list.working, then write a new one, easy to revert |
| 12:21.12 | HelloShitty | I already backed it up |
| 12:21.41 | HelloShitty | I was thinking about creating a sources.list only with that line I'm not sure about and update && upgrade to see what it gives |
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| 12:22.05 | humpled | :v |
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| 12:24.39 | HelloShitty | ok, this is my sources.list file that I already replaced all instances of stretch to buster using sed |
| 12:24.42 | HelloShitty | https://paste.debian.net/1108610/ |
| 12:25.00 | HelloShitty | my question is if lines 7 and 8 are not the same as 4 and 5 |
| 12:25.11 | jelly | HelloShitty: you should make sure the stretch system is up-to-date before doing the release upgrade steps. |
| 12:25.16 | HelloShitty | and if I can remove them in case they contain the same in terms of contents |
| 12:25.24 | HelloShitty | jelly: I know |
| 12:25.28 | HelloShitty | I've been reading the docs |
| 12:25.47 | jelly | HelloShitty: lines 4-5 are indeed not the same as 7-8 |
| 12:25.54 | Bakkar | Hi Would it be possible to ask about MX Linux here? |
| 12:25.59 | jelly | !stable-updates |
| 12:25.59 | dpkg | buster-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from buster-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <buster/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 12:26.06 | jelly | !stable/updates |
| 12:26.06 | dpkg | On Debian 10 "Buster" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "buster/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "buster-updates" which is other updated packages. See also <sources.list>. |
| 12:27.08 | HelloShitty | jelly: I'm here in item 4.2 |
| 12:27.12 | HelloShitty | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status |
| 12:27.40 | jelly | !mxlinux |
| 12:27.40 | dpkg | MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. |
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| 12:28.54 | uio | There is also #mxlinux (population 4). |
| 12:29.35 | HelloShitty | jelly: I presume line 12 is also another dupe of 7 and 8, no? |
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| 12:30.05 | HelloShitty | Or that one contains different stuff? |
| 12:30.38 | HelloShitty | ...security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main |
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| 12:33.51 | aton`_ | hi |
| 12:34.23 | aton`_ | can anyone help me setting an umask for chrooted sftp (internal-sftp) users? |
| 12:34.24 | HelloShitty | my apt update command returned errors |
| 12:34.53 | aton`_ | if tried everything, with internal-sftp -u 0002 over pam_umask.so umask=0002 |
| 12:35.00 | aton`_ | but it all doesnt seem to affect the umask |
| 12:35.04 | aton`_ | i restarted the sshd every time |
| 12:35.18 | hk239 | what does 'hard wiring the printer' mean? |
| 12:35.33 | hk239 | quoting 5:46 this mornign "sponix> hk239: I recommend hard wiring the printer. mine would sleep on wifi and not wake to a print job" |
| 12:35.42 | hk239 | well 5:46 my time.. darn |
| 12:35.43 | hk239 | :D |
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| 12:36.10 | hk239 | anyway I have HP laserjet MFP M28a printer, which I've not been able to get work on this debian 10.1 buster |
| 12:36.37 | Ede|Popede | hk239: sounds like "use a cable" |
| 12:36.46 | JPT | hard wiring would mean to plug it into your pc using usb or parallel port :) |
| 12:37.02 | hk239 | oh, it is hardwired, and the model in question doesn't have network |
| 12:37.17 | hk239 | therefore what sponix said doesn't seem factually correct |
| 12:37.39 | hk239 | but okay nevermind about that |
| 12:38.05 | HelloShitty | I get this error: |
| 12:38.08 | HelloShitty | https://paste.debian.net/1108612/ |
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| 13:08.53 | xormor | "integrity: Loading X.509 certificate: UEFI:db" |
| 13:09.21 | xormor | it DOES load the certificates since I installed them, but they are default standard kernels from the BIOS. I did not add them myself from the Debian system. |
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| 13:10.34 | xormor | so I have to use "Other OS" to boot, otherwise during Debian GNU/Linux kernel boot the system complains that the vmlinuz-5.3.7 kernel is not valid or something, and I have to try again, and it complains again, so I go to the Boot Setup and select "Other OS" instead of "Windows UEFI" (that has to options: "Standard" and "Custom"). |
| 13:12.35 | xormor | so do I have to add a certificate by myself, the Secure Boot keys? I already installed the default ones from the BIOS, via the "Custom Secure Boot" menu option. |
| 13:12.43 | xormor | and do I need to recompile the kernel after that? |
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| 13:15.22 | herzlichweise | looks like mate-terminal choked on special characters or something. the import via console only worked. and it was much faster |
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| 13:20.10 | dob1 | hi, I changed .bashrc updating PATH and if I log via ssh and I do echo $PATH it is ok, but it is not updated if I do ssh user@host echo $PATH |
| 13:20.24 | jelly | xormor: the simplest thing to do might be disabling secure boot |
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| 13:22.06 | dob1 | it's very strange, it differ |
| 13:22.14 | dvs | dob1, this is probably one of those ".bashrc vs. .profile" thing. I don't think .bashrc is run when logging in via ssh but .profile is. |
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| 13:22.28 | dvs | s/is run/is not run/ |
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| 13:23.47 | dob1 | dvs, it doesn't seem so |
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| 13:24.25 | dob1 | dvs, I updated my PATH in .profile but it's still incomplete |
| 13:25.51 | dob1 | and it get some path that I only set in .bashrc |
| 13:27.27 | inari_ | dob1: how do you use ssh? there's a difference between with or without tty |
| 13:27.50 | inari_ | and the behavior is platform dependent too i think |
| 13:28.18 | dob1 | inari_, I launch the command on a console |
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| 13:29.07 | revolutionary | hi there. I have a question about grsecurity patch. Does Debian 10 Buster desktop client have this patch? |
| 13:29.22 | xormor | jelly, I am doing this to learn new things and to entertain myself at the same time :-) |
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| 13:30.14 | xormor | jelly, I already have secure boot disabled. When I enable it, the kernel is not signed since I compiled it myself without signing it, and the system complains vmlinuz-5.3.7 is not certified. |
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| 13:30.48 | xormor | jelly, I installed 5.something signed, I will try it now. from backports. |
| 13:30.49 | inari_ | bash may sources ~/.bashrc when invoked by sshd depending on compile time options |
| 13:31.08 | revolutionary | is there anyone know this information? |
| 13:32.33 | jelly | revolutionary: debian does not license grsecurity, nor provide it to their users |
| 13:32.53 | jelly | sorry, s/license/have a subscription for/; |
| 13:33.25 | dob1 | inari_, but it's like it's done just the first time because I see in path some path that I setup on my .bashrc but if I change them it doesn't update on ssh user@host echo $PATH |
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| 13:34.03 | revolutionary | jelly: as i know grsecurity patch provides defense against some attacks like memory corruption and others. Does Debian 10 provides those embedded? |
| 13:34.30 | dvs | dob1, did you update the PATH on "host"? |
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| 13:34.44 | dob1 | dvs, what do you mean? |
| 13:35.12 | jelly | revolutionary: debian 10 only has those features that are available in vanilla linux kernel 4.19.x |
| 13:35.28 | inari_ | The commands you are describing is the difference between tty and no tty |
| 13:35.33 | dvs | dob1, after you do an "ssh user@host", it's going to use the path on the host computer, not the local computer. |
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| 13:36.08 | dob1 | dvs, yes I am updating the path on the host, the .bashrc on the host |
| 13:36.22 | laptop | hi I notice windows 10 is faster than on my laptop than linux I have a dell 830 core2duo 4 gb ram. I am curious do you think it is because the linux did not get the drivers right for intel |
| 13:36.36 | inari_ | try ssh -t host echo $PATH |
| 13:36.45 | revolutionary | jelly: got it. i am bit new on Debian. Could you please recommend some resources about improving Buster's security? |
| 13:36.57 | dob1 | inari_, same |
| 13:37.32 | dob1 | I am sure it reads .bashrc, but like it read it one time |
| 13:38.01 | herzlichweise | revolutionary: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 13:38.56 | herzlichweise | (nice re-play) |
| 13:39.17 | revolutionary | thank you herzlichweise |
| 13:39.17 | inari_ | yes, bash when invoked by sshd reads bashrc once |
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| 13:39.48 | dob1 | inari_, so I need to restart sshd ? |
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| 13:40.07 | inari_ | if you update your bashrc you need to <source> it or relogin yes |
| 13:40.50 | inari_ | i dont fully understand the question i think |
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| 13:40.56 | jelly | revolutionary: no, not really. That howto you got linked is HORRIBLY old, and investigating which bits are still good and which are useless, or worse, would probably take more time than investigatiing and rewriting from scratch. Do not recommend. |
| 13:41.37 | herzlichweise | its better than nothing |
| 13:41.53 | jelly | no. |
| 13:41.56 | jelly | it's worse. |
| 13:41.58 | ratrace | agrees with jelly |
| 13:41.59 | dob1 | inari_, I did it. I think I am not clear: ssh user@host, I am logged, and echo $PATH is ok "ssh user@host echo $PATH" (a single command) PATH is not ok |
| 13:42.10 | revolutionary | jelly do you know any up to date guides? |
| 13:42.20 | revolutionary | i am looking for for days but no luck |
| 13:42.32 | jelly | revolutionary: no, not really |
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| 13:43.17 | revolutionary | would be pleased if someone knows up to date guides about improving Debian 10 Buster's security |
| 13:43.46 | ratrace | revolutionary: there is no single "tutorial" because it mostly depends on the threat model. bios passwords and root prompts is just snakeoil security. |
| 13:43.47 | jelly | herzlichweise: quotes like > latest 2.4 kernels in Debian include ... |
| 13:44.17 | inari_ | And $PATH is in ~/.bashrc on the remote system? |
| 13:44.21 | ratrace | revolutionary: out of the box, debian stuff is relatively secure, from the viewpoint of what can be done by package management and sane config defaults |
| 13:44.54 | ratrace | the rest depends on the threat model and what you want to achieve |
| 13:45.04 | revolutionary | ratrace do you mean default Debian 10 is secure enough? |
| 13:45.41 | humpled | "depends on threat model" |
| 13:45.54 | jelly | revolutionary: they mean "enough for WHAT" is the most important question |
| 13:46.06 | revolutionary | i don't have a threat model. i am a lawyer and really want to secure my Debian. I am trying to achieve secure my Debian against some attacks |
| 13:46.08 | NetTerminalGene | guys, current firefox is 60.9 esr. will they release 68.2 esr next? |
| 13:46.08 | dob1 | inari_, PATH is updated on the .bashrc on the remote system, infact if I login to it and do echo $PATH it is ok. it's the single command the problem |
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| 13:47.05 | Bushmaster | revolutionary, what kind of security you have in mind? VPN? |
| 13:47.08 | revolutionary | actually i am a human rights defense lawyer |
| 13:47.09 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: when they solve blockage bugs |
| 13:47.11 | inari_ | What do you mean with 'updated'? |
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| 13:47.34 | revolutionary | Like secure against exploits and memory corruption attacks |
| 13:47.36 | dob1 | inari_, I changed it on .bashrc |
| 13:47.41 | revolutionary | Not VPN. Maybe LUKS |
| 13:47.42 | uio | revolutionary, Wouldn't tails be better? |
| 13:47.56 | uio | revolutionary, LUKS is a must for you I'd imagine... |
| 13:48.02 | revolutionary | I guess Tails is not made for using daily driver |
| 13:48.14 | inari_ | If you change your bashrc you need to source ~/.bashrc afterwards |
| 13:48.22 | jelly | revolutionary: if it's a workstation system: - use a password manager; never reuse passwords on different sites; keep signing keys and certs (pgp, ssl) on secure media. Use a Wayland-based desktop env instead of X (that in practice means Gnome right now). Tails is good. |
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| 13:48.27 | dob1 | inari_, I did it |
| 13:48.31 | Bushmaster | revolutionary, those things do not happen in Linux, I am not sure what you meant by exploits though |
| 13:48.43 | uio | revolutionary, You're already on Tor right? |
| 13:48.52 | revolutionary | uio, yes on Tor |
| 13:48.54 | ratrace | revolutionary: as a human rights defense lawyer, you must be aware of and incorporate that as the WEAKEST point in your threat model: https://xkcd.com/538/ |
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| 13:49.20 | uio | ratrace, lol, but kinda sad. |
| 13:49.20 | revolutionary | jelly what do you mean by use a Wayland-based desktop env instead of X? |
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| 13:49.38 | ratrace | revolutionary: ie forget about securing your debian. if they want ur data, they'll come with wrenches, hoses and water boards :) |
| 13:49.40 | uio | jelly, X isn't secure?? |
| 13:49.45 | ratrace | uio: nope |
| 13:49.52 | uio | What?! |
| 13:50.13 | uio | ratrace, Depends on the country I think. |
| 13:50.20 | revolutionary | i won't forget because i should secure my files :) |
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| 13:51.03 | revolutionary | could you please tell me the list of Wayland-based env desktops? And why X is bad and why Wayland-based is good? |
| 13:51.19 | ratrace | uio: X lacks some security boundaries that wayland is trying to solve. especially with xorg-server running as root, that's the weakest point of any deployment |
| 13:51.26 | uio | So XFCE is not secure? |
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| 13:51.41 | NetTerminalGene | revolutionary, you can use firejail to sanbox your browser and other programs like evince to check documents |
| 13:51.48 | uio | ratrace, But on a regular machine that shouldn't really matter, no? |
| 13:52.14 | NetTerminalGene | revolutionary, it will isolate your programs |
| 13:52.16 | ratrace | uio: depends. on regular machine, a browser vunlerability is a gateway for remote hackers to read your screen contents, keyboard inputs, stufffs.... |
| 13:52.40 | revolutionary | NetTerminalGene appreciate for this info. reserved |
| 13:52.43 | inari_ | dob1: google "source profile and bashrc on ssh login without tty" |
| 13:52.47 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: which is moot point with Xorg. you can isolate your programs EXCEPT through their xorg apis |
| 13:52.48 | uio | ratrace, So, someone could see what I browse because I'm on XFCE? |
| 13:53.13 | ratrace | uio: _because_ you're on XFCE? no. i'm talking about xorg, not xofce |
| 13:53.15 | uio | ratrace, 'mute point', no? lol |
| 13:53.15 | ratrace | *xfce |
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| 13:53.30 | humpled | moot |
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| 13:53.53 | uio | Sorry, I'm a bit lost, XFCE doesn't use Wayland, right? |
| 13:54.03 | uio | humpled, moat. |
| 13:54.09 | ratrace | and then there's the mega elephant in the room: that nvidia blob you're running in ring0 that's directly accessible by no-security-boundaries xorg ...... |
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| 13:54.34 | NetTerminalGene | revolutionary, isolating your browser is a great start |
| 13:54.37 | revolutionary | can someone tell us which desktop envs have Wayland? And why Whyland is good and why X is bad? Thanks |
| 13:55.04 | NetTerminalGene | gnome have wayland i think |
| 13:55.12 | dob1 | inari_, I got the problem: when I use for example "ssh user@host -t echo $PATH" the PATH I am using is not the one on the remote machine but the one on the local machine |
| 13:55.12 | ratrace | revolutionary: default on debian 10 is gnome + wayland session. you'll need open source GPU drivers for that though, forget nvidia. |
| 13:55.21 | dob1 | inari_, it seems strange but it's this... |
| 13:55.31 | revolutionary | NetTerminalGene is firejail trusted? |
| 13:55.39 | NetTerminalGene | yes |
| 13:55.47 | NetTerminalGene | it is also in repo |
| 13:55.53 | revolutionary | as i know gnome is eating RAM and CPU much |
| 13:55.55 | uio | revolutionary, Probably should LUKS your flash drives too. Wouldn't want to loose those. |
| 13:56.03 | uio | revolutionary, Yep. |
| 13:56.05 | revolutionary | i already did |
| 13:56.07 | ratrace | revolutionary: you should really pay professional consulting service to get your lawyer office secured. you ain't gonna do anything serious yourself like this. learning how to secure stuff properly takes years |
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| 13:56.34 | uio | ratrace, But they'll be so far ahead the average Apple-loving lawyer :p |
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| 13:56.40 | laptop | I have intel gma 965 did linux kernel 5.2 drop support for it |
| 13:56.51 | revolutionary | i can't pay for pro service for this job. we are not big company and we are just trying to save human rights. That's all. We are not money boss |
| 13:57.33 | ratrace | revolutionary: so you're one of those martyrs the feds came and took into the night because they encrypted their drive and refused to tell the passwrod..... :) |
| 13:57.43 | uio | revolutionary, Then LUKS and hope for the best :p I'm sure some local Linux group could help you out a lot. I don't know how much of a target you would be... |
| 13:58.09 | revolutionary | ratrace i am not coward against wrenches :) |
| 13:58.43 | NetTerminalGene | revolutionary, you can also install ublock origin and noscript from repo. don't install it from firefox addon page |
| 13:58.45 | revolutionary | can someone tell me why Wayland is good? |
| 13:59.01 | revolutionary | i am using ublock but noscript is breaking some stuff |
| 13:59.13 | ratrace | revolutionary: it solves some security and other issues that have proven bad with Xorg over the years. |
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| 14:00.07 | ratrace | revolutionary: I think this is THE famous talk on why and how: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQoQE_HDG8g |
| 14:00.08 | revolutionary | ratrace my computer is not good for running gnome. Can you tell me a website which that does have all Wayland environments? |
| 14:00.17 | uio | Or just use W10 and blend in with the masses :) |
| 14:00.47 | NetTerminalGene | revolutionary, why not just use debian 10? |
| 14:00.48 | revolutionary | Windows? Hell no |
| 14:02.00 | ratrace | win10 ain't bad security-wise, btw. |
| 14:02.15 | revolutionary | win10 is privacy nightmare :) |
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| 14:02.36 | ratrace | you can disable all those privacy violating defaults, no? |
| 14:02.48 | revolutionary | yes i can but i don't prefer Windows at all |
| 14:03.16 | NetTerminalGene | yes don't use windows |
| 14:03.19 | inari_ | dob1: that should be ssh -t user@host echo $PATH |
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| 14:03.55 | revolutionary | is KDE Wayland? And if i select KDE is Xorg is running on KDE? or not |
| 14:03.56 | dob1 | inari_, it's the same |
| 14:04.02 | laptop | does debian use mesa by default |
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| 14:04.23 | jelly | inari_: your local shell will expand that $PATH before ssh is even called, in that command |
| 14:04.48 | jelly | offers some quotes |
| 14:04.51 | jelly | '' |
| 14:04.53 | revolutionary | i mean if i select KDE how can i check X server is running on that or not? |
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| 14:05.09 | inari_ | Oh, yeah that's it |
| 14:05.15 | jelly | revolutionary: KDE / Plasma is not wayland capable yet. |
| 14:05.39 | revolutionary | jelly: in here https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland I can see KDE |
| 14:05.56 | revolutionary | And jelly: could you please tell me the list of Wayland desktop envs? Thanks |
| 14:06.23 | jelly | revolutionary: I only know Gnome. |
| 14:06.25 | ratrace | I think gnome is all there is right now. |
| 14:06.36 | jelly | revolutionary: KDE upstream says this: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers |
| 14:06.36 | wrksx | Hey |
| 14:06.44 | ratrace | there's sway but that's not a DE, it's a i3-like WM |
| 14:06.56 | revolutionary | just Gnome is Wayland? Just 1? |
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| 14:07.15 | wrksx | I want to use the mdadm command , but it's in sbin which is not in my path. |
| 14:07.16 | ratrace | and incredibly.... mir is now a wayland compositor, so MATE with mir might in the (near?) future be another DE |
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| 14:07.38 | dob1 | inari_, you can try it simple: do PATH=/tmp:$PATH; ssh user@host echo $PATH; and you will see the local path |
| 14:07.45 | wrksx | I used su and still I cannot type mdadm to access the command |
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| 14:08.12 | paul424 | Hello, hello, only one question after install , how do I move the panel to the bottom from the top ? |
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| 14:08.19 | jelly | wrksx: short answer, use "su -" to become root |
| 14:08.27 | wrksx | omg |
| 14:08.29 | paul424 | The bottom one I have already removed |
| 14:08.31 | ratrace | !tell wrksx about buster su |
| 14:08.58 | jelly | looks around for greycat |
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| 14:09.52 | NetTerminalGene | revolutionary, do you qubes os? |
| 14:09.52 | paul424 | ahh I figured it out myself , never mind then |
| 14:10.12 | revolutionary | I don't have enough infrastructure for qubes :| |
| 14:10.13 | wrksx | jelly: right thanks. just reading manual right to make sure I remember this =) |
| 14:10.35 | ratrace | wrksx: you can also use sudo |
| 14:11.01 | jelly | * requires sudo is installed and configured properly |
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| 14:11.12 | wrksx | ratrace: yeah system is brand new sudo is not here, and I wanted to learn about mdmam right now |
| 14:12.03 | ratrace | wrksx: it's an "apt install" away :) iirc works out of the box with the default user being in %sudo group |
| 14:12.19 | ratrace | (as in no need to logout/login even, but don't quote me on that) |
| 14:14.10 | revolutionary | What Debian is using desktop env by default? |
| 14:14.19 | NetTerminalGene | gnome |
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| 14:14.31 | jelly | ratrace: that out of the box works only if users leaves a blank root password during install |
| 14:14.46 | jelly | ratrace: otherwise, the first user is not part of sudo group |
| 14:14.59 | ratrace | I see |
| 14:15.01 | revolutionary | if i use KDE can i disable X org server? IF yes what is the results? |
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| 14:15.20 | jelly | revolutionary: that's probably a "try it and see" |
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| 14:15.45 | revolutionary | i don't want to see black screen :) |
| 14:15.57 | revolutionary | because i don't know the results. |
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| 14:19.50 | dvs | ,v kwayland-data |
| 14:19.51 | judd | Package: kwayland-data on amd64 -- buster: 4:5.54.0-1; bullseye: 4:5.62.0-2; sid: 4:5.62.0-2 |
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| 14:20.29 | wrksx | my md raid 1 is built on partitions, not disks, is that a standard? |
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| 14:21.21 | wrksx | also, in case of diskfailure, after changing the faulted disk, will I have to partition it the right way before mdadm can start syncing ? |
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| 14:27.06 | hk239 | still trying to get this HP laserjet MFP M28a printer to work |
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| 14:29.41 | frostschutz | wrksx, yes and yes, you should |
| 14:30.11 | wrksx | frostschutz: thanks |
| 14:30.24 | bouba | hi, exuse my bad eglish ... kvm is late or fast in comparative with virtualbox? |
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| 14:33.03 | hk239 | https://pastebin.com/JhUssqFJ |
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| 14:35.30 | hk239 | any ideas? |
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| 14:36.29 | hotsauce | .......... |
| 14:36.36 | OerHeks | line #21 debian-10.1 version is not supported |
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| 14:36.58 | revolutionary | can someone tell me why Xorg is bad and Wayland is good? I am trying to figure out |
| 14:37.31 | hk239 | regarding how to get this printer to work, that is |
| 14:37.33 | hotsauce | I use Xorg and not bad at all |
| 14:37.36 | OerHeks | Xorg is not bad |
| 14:37.49 | dvs | revolutionary, in a nutshell, Xorg allows programs to read keystrokes from other Xorg programs and can display windows inside other Xorg programs. |
| 14:37.57 | hotsauce | Not bloated even in openbsd |
| 14:37.58 | wrksx | on my box I have 3 drives, I want to set 2 of them in RAID 1 and keep the 3rd as a 'sleeping' backup disk I could use to replace a failing disk in case of one of my two drives dies. |
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| 14:38.49 | hotsauce | Someone here just using tty |
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| 14:39.10 | hotsauce | Instead of (DWM) |
| 14:39.17 | wrksx | I want to have that disk pre partitioned the right way, in order to be able to restore my RAID array |
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| 14:40.15 | wrksx | I believe there is an existing 'mechanism' to automatically spin up my sleeping disk in case of another disk failure |
| 14:40.31 | wrksx | Is there? If so, how'd you call it? |
| 14:40.53 | jelly | something something cold spare |
| 14:41.17 | wrksx | sounds like what I want |
| 14:41.19 | wrksx | thanks |
| 14:41.20 | Bushmaster | hi, i am running this command to fix my external hard drive dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1 bs=1M Question: Will it delete all my data in it? |
| 14:41.34 | jelly | (as opposed to a hot spare, which is spinning idly waiting to replace a failed member) |
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| 14:42.32 | jelly | Bushmaster: to make sure all data is wiped, wipe the whole disk /dev/sdb not just the first partition /dev/sdb1 |
| 14:42.40 | wrksx | jelly: so hot spare is always in sync, right? |
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| 14:42.56 | jelly | wrksx: no, hot spare is just spinning, no data on it |
| 14:43.23 | jelly | unless it's an ssd. Then it's probably not spinning! |
| 14:43.29 | wrksx | jelly: oh okay, since I'm dealing with SSD disks here, spining... |
| 14:43.34 | wrksx | Yeah what I was thinking |
| 14:43.39 | jelly | it's just online. |
| 14:43.59 | Bushmaster | jelly, oh yeah I typed /dev/sdb actually, will it delete all my files then? |
| 14:44.17 | jelly | wrksx: I don't know whether ssd even have a spin-down and spin-up or how much energy is saved |
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| 14:44.36 | wrksx | jelly: I'm not really concerned about the energy efficiency here |
| 14:44.40 | jelly | Bushmaster: yes. if it's successful |
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| 14:45.24 | wrksx | jelly: I want to limit the disk wear, so it's not likely to fail when I need to "spin" it up |
| 14:45.34 | jelly | wrksx: if you just want a disk to become automatically active in case of a member failure, you add it to a mdadm array as a spare. |
| 14:45.46 | Bushmaster | that means i made mistake, jelly i read an article which says it fix bad sectors hence i thought i may loose partial data but not all |
| 14:46.23 | jelly | Bushmaster: if it works as it's supposed to you'll zero ALL the data on it |
| 14:47.18 | Bushmaster | dang jelly which means i just about to loose 300 GiB of my data |
| 14:47.34 | jelly | Bushmaster: if you need that data, do NOT run that command |
| 14:48.04 | Bushmaster | jelly, i already running it and i needed the data, i did not realize it will delete the data |
| 14:48.08 | wrksx | ABORT |
| 14:48.33 | Bushmaster | is this command? |
| 14:48.44 | wrksx | nope |
| 14:50.45 | jelly | Bushmaster: ctrl-c |
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| 14:51.51 | jelly | Bushmaster: or push the reset button. or unplug the machine. |
| 14:51.54 | Bushmaster | jelly, just pressed it, it did not stop the process, |
| 14:52.12 | Bushmaster | okay i am gonna unplug that machine now |
| 14:53.02 | epsilon | Bushmaster: sdb is the actual disk (as long you do not use visualization), sdb1 is the first partition on it. dd is very raw command to overwrite a disk/partiton, use it only if you know what you are doing |
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| 14:53.17 | Bushmaster | jelly, you do not happen to know how to execute dd rescue for this hard drive do you? |
| 14:53.58 | wrksx | Bushmaster: maybe you can try to kill the dd process |
| 14:53.59 | Bushmaster | jelly, when I ran lsblk it only showed sdb did not see any sdb1 |
| 14:54.14 | epsilon | dd rescue is to copy disk -> backlupfile. you executed probably 'overwrite with zero' -> disk |
| 14:54.21 | Bushmaster | i just shut down the machine and switched off the dock station |
| 14:54.27 | jelly | Bushmaster: probably something like ddrescue /dev/sdb /path/to/destination/copy.img |
| 14:54.59 | jelly | Bushmaster: maybe read the manual to see what the command does. Preferably before running it. |
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| 14:55.52 | Bushmaster | jelly, the problem is that faulty hard drive is 298 GiB and i got 275 giB will it still do it? |
| 14:56.10 | Bushmaster | i mean i got 275 giB free space |
| 14:56.26 | epsilon | btw, fix a bad sector by overwriting with zero does not make sence |
| 14:56.32 | Bushmaster | epsilon, is it possible to run ddrescue in my case? |
| 14:56.34 | revolutionary | jelly: if i disable X from grub is this means i will not use Xorg anymore? Is this correct? |
| 14:57.27 | epsilon | Bushmaster: describe your actual situation and problem, before asking what dd command does |
| 14:57.31 | Bushmaster | epsilon, i am not skilled in Linux, i read an article and used that command, obviously made mistake, anything you folks can helo |
| 14:58.09 | jelly | Bushmaster: no, get a disk with more space |
| 14:58.28 | Bushmaster | epsilon, the external hard drive is faulty, and i will show you by pastebin it shortly then you will know the problem i think jelly |
| 14:58.58 | jelly | Bushmaster: depending on how much data there was, you might need up to double the size of the original disk |
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| 15:02.51 | shibboleth | whenever i try to open a nautilus/"explorer" window i get a dialog saying "error reporting is enabled. if you wish to disable this feature you may do so in the Help menu" |
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| 15:03.00 | shibboleth | nautilus/explorer windows do not open |
| 15:03.02 | shibboleth | ideas? |
| 15:03.08 | shibboleth | also, where is this help menu? |
| 15:03.13 | Bushmaster | epsilon, and jelly this is so far with the help of few folks yesterday, i came, it reflects the problem (input/output error, simply put hard drive is not mounting) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H2Cq4nhDCR/ |
| 15:04.19 | Bushmaster | epsilon, and jelly if you folks can help me to somehow mount this hard drive, so that i can transfer some of my data, that would be big help |
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| 15:06.24 | Gerowen | What is the proper way to launch Synaptic as root in Wayland? I gksu is not available in the repos, and I seem to recall a command that started with a p, pkg or something, that launched that program as another user. |
| 15:06.41 | Enissay | Hi, I have an issue with an unknown public key ==> https://pastebin.com/QD64UzRH |
| 15:07.02 | Gerowen | I can do it manually from terminal with su -c "/usr/sbin/synaptic", but I'd like to be have a command I can stick into the .desktop file so my app menu shortcut works properly. |
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| 15:09.44 | Bushmaster | jelly, cos i ran that dd command mistakenly and then shut down the machine, i lost some data already right? |
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| 15:11.51 | epsilon | Bushmaster: what was on the disk before that, a partition sdb1 with ext-something inside? |
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| 15:12.39 | epsilon | beside the 16 pending sectors I see no urgent physical error on the disk, did you get any error messages? |
| 15:12.44 | Bushmaster | epsilon, i have never partitioned it, i bought it many years ago and used it for putting multi media files mainly movies |
| 15:14.21 | Bushmaster | epsilon, when i plug it in (it was with USB) it wont mount, i then took it out from case and now dock it in dock station, still it wont mount, i ran gparted, and it showed Input/Output error once and now it simply cant read it |
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| 15:14.34 | epsilon | well you can create a filesystem directly on disk without a partition, but uncommon on physical disk. did you do it on linux or somewhere else (windows/mac)? |
| 15:15.16 | epsilon | gparted expect partitons on it - if the disk has none... |
| 15:15.30 | Enissay | I have added the new repo key but is still failing at apt-get update ==> /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 15:15.43 | Enissay | ====> https://pastebin.com/QD64UzRH |
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| 15:15.51 | Bushmaster | epsilon, i never partioned it or did anything like that with this external hard drive my friend, i just put movies in it for the past several years, i just want it working so that i can transfer the movies etc |
| 15:16.37 | epsilon | Bushmaster: where did you the inital setup of the external drive, windows/mac/linux? |
| 15:17.13 | Bushmaster | epsilon, cant remember, very possibly Linux, i left Windows in year 2008 |
| 15:17.29 | Bushmaster | and i think i bought this external hard drive after year 2009 |
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| 15:17.41 | epsilon | Bushmaster: what was your mount / umount command since then? |
| 15:17.42 | Enissay | ffs, it works now, there were two very similar keys... made me want precious time x_x |
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| 15:18.39 | Bushmaster | epsilon, i just plugged in to USB port, and it got mounted, never used mount command, recently i plugged into TV to watch movies and since the it is all screwed up |
| 15:18.57 | epsilon | Enissay: "gpg: key 8F9293A1EEA14886: "Totally Legit Signing Key <mallory@example.org>" not changed" <-- I even don't want to know what you are doing |
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| 15:19.33 | Bushmaster | epsilon, can you help me to fix it, even for short term to get my some of my data out ? |
| 15:19.36 | Enissay | epsilon: lol, trying to install ===> Java8 https://tecadmin.net/install-java-8-on-debian/ |
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| 15:22.22 | epsilon | Enissay: do you just want the JRE? |
| 15:22.34 | Enissay | yes |
| 15:22.55 | OerHeks | that guide is EOL, that ppa does not exist anymore |
| 15:23.03 | Enissay | omg |
| 15:23.13 | Enissay | it's from lasat may o.O |
| 15:23.32 | OerHeks | take a read on the ppa page https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/java |
| 15:23.44 | OerHeks | anyway, install openjdk, much more secure |
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| 15:24.28 | Enissay | Aha, I see |
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| 15:25.45 | epsilon | Enissay: it's been a while since I installed JRE, but usually you download the Linux x64 package from java.com and unpack it. I extracted it on /opt/jre-<version>, linked to /opt/jre and added the binary directory in $PATH |
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| 15:26.46 | Enissay | Ow, I see. I've done it before like that. But google suggested it this way... Anyway, I'll try it after I take a bite... Thanks guys |
| 15:27.16 | epsilon | and what OerHeks says, juts use the openjdk of you distro if you do not need the oracle's java |
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| 15:29.32 | epsilon | Bushmaster: what was you mount / umount command for the external disk, and what was the cause you tried all the things above? |
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| 15:31.29 | Bushmaster | epsilon, i tried all that i paste bin you cos folks in Linux channel advised me yesterday to do so, as you may realized by now, there was no way I could have done all that as I am not fully versed in commands, anyway, I can execute mount command now if you want to see the output ? |
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| 15:36.20 | epsilon | Bushmaster: no, just the command. Not the output |
| 15:37.03 | epsilon | I want to know if ouy mounted sdb or sdb1 and which filesystem maybe (also the output of /etc/fstab, if it contained sdb[x] |
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| 15:40.08 | epsilon | fact is your host recognized the external disk (sdb) but neither partiton sdb1 nor e2fsck did not found anything on sdb |
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| 15:41.38 | Bushmaster | epsilon, hang on my friend, its with my other computer, let me get into IRC in my other comuter |
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| 15:42.59 | Bushycat | epsilon: i am here, as Bushycat, its Bushmaster |
| 15:43.13 | epsilon | Bushmaster: do not power up the external disk. Do never run a filesystem rescue attempt on the actual disk, only on images (which also can be created with dd) you can copy again and again without breaking |
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| 15:45.03 | Bushycat | epsilon: this is what I am getting https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BczPKb6JtP/ |
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| 15:45.42 | epsilon | how did you mount it before the incident? |
| 15:46.06 | Bushycat | epsilon: just plugging into USB port |
| 15:47.00 | epsilon | ok, so automatically mounted by your $desktop environment... do you have any logfile containing information about /dev/sdb? |
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| 15:48.18 | epsilon | grep sdb /var/log/syslog, zgrep sdb /var/log/syslog*.gz |
| 15:48.43 | Bushycat | hang on epsilon |
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| 15:51.33 | Bushycat | epsilon: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PMKPtyGTFs/ |
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| 15:54.23 | JyZyXEL | ddrescue is made for cloning failing devices |
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| 15:57.38 | humpled | we don't if there was anything wrong with this device before the user wrote lots of zeros to it |
| 15:57.51 | epsilon | Bushycat: I'm loooking ssupecious o_O. without googling the each error message, the host is complaining on hardware level(?) but smartctl shows only pending sectors... |
| 15:57.55 | humpled | not really sure if the zeros were written to that device |
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| 16:00.37 | Bushycat | epsilon: humpled JyZyXEL I will not understand all these, i just hope you could provide me with some laymen term advice |
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| 16:01.55 | HelloShitty | I need someone to help me with my update and upgrade proccess from Stretch to Buster |
| 16:02.09 | HelloShitty | I'm getting an error while apt upgrade command runs |
| 16:02.33 | HelloShitty | I'm getting: |
| 16:02.34 | HelloShitty | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 16:02.34 | HelloShitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.34 | HelloShitty | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:03.05 | HelloShitty | then I tried to apt --fix-broken install |
| 16:03.12 | HelloShitty | but I still get errors |
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| 16:03.44 | HelloShitty | https://paste.debian.net/1108654/ |
| 16:05.02 | somiaj | HelloShitty: it looks like this is because you are mixing sources, the error (line 3) is that the package vdpau-va-driver version 0.7.4-dmo5 (this is not a debian package) conflicts with the package you are trying to upgrade |
| 16:05.28 | somiaj | In general upgrades will not work if you mix in third party sources, and debian multimedia is often considered poort quality packages. |
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| 16:05.31 | somiaj | !dmo |
| 16:05.31 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm buster>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 16:05.55 | HelloShitty | So, what can I do now? |
| 16:05.56 | somiaj | You might want to remove all debian multiemedia packages before upgrading |
| 16:06.02 | somiaj | !dmm remove |
| 16:06.02 | dpkg | If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ... |
| 16:06.50 | somiaj | You are gonna have to go around and manually remove/fix the issues, you could just remove the package vdpau-va-driver, you could also maybe do something like 'dpkg -l | grep dmo' and see which packages are from dmo and remove them |
| 16:07.11 | HelloShitty | ok, one thing at a time |
| 16:07.59 | HelloShitty | Going to try to remove that vdpau-va-driver first |
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| 16:08.39 | HelloShitty | ok, removed it with sudo dpkg --remove vdpau-va-driver |
| 16:08.57 | HelloShitty | now, going to check dmo packages with that command |
| 16:09.11 | somiaj | You may want to track down and remove all dmo packages, such as 'dpgk -l | grep dmo' (this will list them, not remove them like the bots command) |
| 16:09.27 | somiaj | then manually remove them, the bots command tries to automatically do this, and may cause other problems. |
| 16:09.35 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 16:09.37 | somiaj | oop, dpkg -l | grep dmo |
| 16:09.52 | HelloShitty | that command returned quite a few packages |
| 16:10.32 | HelloShitty | what means ii, rc, iU at the start of each line of this command? |
| 16:10.40 | HelloShitty | ii is for installed? |
| 16:10.47 | HelloShitty | rc for waht ? release candidate? |
| 16:10.51 | HelloShitty | :s |
| 16:11.39 | somiaj | the letters are state desired |
| 16:11.53 | somiaj | ii means it is installed and it is desired to be installed, iU is installed but unconfigured (probably error in the upgrae) |
| 16:12.05 | somiaj | rc means it has been removed but config files are still installed |
| 16:12.43 | somiaj | Opps, I was backwards, it is 'desired-status', so first is what is desired, second is status |
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| 16:17.29 | Bushycat | epsilon: any advice? |
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| 16:20.05 | epsilon | Bushycat: not enough info for a detailed advise. But as long the hardware has no critical state, it's possible to backup the disk as an image, like dd if=<disk> of=<image> and run further rescue operation on the image |
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| 16:21.00 | HelloShitty | ah ok somiaj thanks |
| 16:21.29 | HelloShitty | Well, the first attempt to remove the first paclage of that dmo list, gave errors... Again related with broken pacakges and unmet dependencies |
| 16:21.37 | HelloShitty | so I trie again --fix-broken install |
| 16:21.43 | epsilon | Bushmaster: it's also a financial question how valuable the data was, to be able to pay a commercial recovery company |
| 16:21.44 | HelloShitty | and it's running |
| 16:22.13 | Bushycat | epsilon: how much space i need for computer to run the dd command for copying? |
| 16:22.18 | somiaj | HelloShitty: you might want to use apt vs dpkg to remove the packages, as apt will take out the depends. |
| 16:22.54 | somiaj | HelloShitty: some of the dmo packages might be okay, so you don't have to remove them all (though I suggest that due to the problems I see people who use them have) |
| 16:23.03 | epsilon | Bushycat: the size of the sdb disk + and rescure attepmt... I'd say 1TB minimum |
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| 16:23.13 | HeadTurners | hello |
| 16:23.28 | Bushycat | epsilon: if you can help me to copy the data into a hard drive, i can show my gratitude |
| 16:23.40 | HelloShitty | somiaj: I probably can live with the repository ones |
| 16:23.46 | HelloShitty | if I don't get into more problems |
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| 16:23.53 | HelloShitty | I think I can remove them all one by one |
| 16:24.05 | HelloShitty | and install them from repositories whenever I need them |
| 16:24.10 | Bushycat | 1 TB for 298 GiB faulty hard drive? epsilon |
| 16:24.25 | HeadTurners | ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:24.51 | epsilon | Bushycat: raw copy looks like, as ab EXAMPLE: dd=/dev/sdb of=/dev/<big-disk>/sdb-raw-image.img bs=100MB |
| 16:25.17 | HeadTurners | what the fuck happend to IRC? is everyone a fucking robot now |
| 16:25.20 | epsilon | eh, dd if=/dev/sdb [...] |
| 16:25.22 | HeadTurners | cant find actual humans |
| 16:25.33 | somiaj | epsilon: I think your of isn't going to work, you probably mean /mnt/<big-disk> -- you are coping to a file system not a device. |
| 16:25.44 | Bushycat | epsilon: that command requires 1 TB empty space for my 300 GiB faultyu drive to make image? |
| 16:26.01 | epsilon | HeadTurners: i... must... kill... all... humans... you.. asked... for... it... |
| 16:26.07 | OerHeks | HeadTurners, interesting |
| 16:26.20 | somiaj | HeadTurners: this is a channel for debian support, do you have a question about debian? |
| 16:26.42 | HeadTurners | negative, mind your own fucking business |
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| 16:27.14 | somiaj | also to others, please dont' feed trolls. |
| 16:27.20 | epsilon | Bushycat: 300GB for a raw image (you never touch again), 300GB for copy of it (you may operate on it), 300GB for rescued data |
| 16:28.34 | Bushycat | epsilon: I see, so if I buy a 1 TB hard drive, internal SATA, put for example mint in it, light version and get back to you, can you able to get it resolved for me? |
| 16:28.59 | epsilon | Bushycat: simple answer: NO |
| 16:29.47 | Bushycat | why not epsilon may I ask? |
| 16:30.37 | epsilon | your host, your job. unless you pay someone to do the job |
| 16:31.13 | Bushycat | epsilon: no, what I meant is, I will run things here, I just need you to guide me with the command that i need to put down |
| 16:31.15 | epsilon | we only give free advice and hints without 0% responsibility |
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| 16:31.31 | epsilon | *without any responsibility |
| 16:31.53 | Bushycat | i understand, i just need the right command, cos I am not fluent with commands you see |
| 16:32.08 | epsilon | Bushycat: can't without knowing which partition, filesystem whatsoever |
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| 16:32.38 | Bushycat | epsilon: its sdb as far i see, in lsblk |
| 16:33.07 | epsilon | if it was valuable business data, call a professional data recovery company. if only films/mp3, just download again |
| 16:33.40 | Bushycat | epsilon: i understand, thanks again for your inputs and support |
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| 16:35.20 | epsilon | once you saved the image, you can attempt to run ext* rescue or commercial recovery tool like on windows, if you want to do it on own |
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| 16:37.48 | Bushycat | epsilon: i will buy a 2 TB SATA internal hard drive, open my desktop, plug the new hard drive with sata cable, install lightweight slimdown version of any linux, plug the faulty drive in dock station, and use your valuable advice on dd commands to carry out the project |
| 16:38.15 | Bushycat | its worth giving it a shot, |
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| 16:48.49 | HelloShitty | somiaj: It doesn't let me uninstall this one: |
| 16:48.52 | HelloShitty | ii libfaac0:amd64 1:1.28-dmo3+deb8u1 |
| 16:49.13 | somiaj | what is the command/error you get |
| 16:49.18 | HelloShitty | it says more unmet dependencies |
| 16:49.23 | somiaj | and what command? |
| 16:49.27 | HelloShitty | let me paste somewhere |
| 16:49.38 | HelloShitty | it's just sudo apt remove --purge |
| 16:49.58 | HelloShitty | https://paste.debian.net/1108668/ |
| 16:50.36 | somiaj | HelloShitty: what is the output of 'apt policy libfaac2' |
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| 16:51.24 | HelloShitty | wait, let me try something... I was trying to uninstall 5 packages at the same time |
| 16:51.29 | HelloShitty | trying now one at a time |
| 16:51.34 | HelloShitty | to see which is problematic |
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| 16:52.04 | HelloShitty | libbluray1 <-- this one is |
| 16:52.25 | somiaj | anyways, apt policy packagename, if the package has a version in debian, try apt install packagename=version_from_debian |
| 16:52.56 | HelloShitty | $ apt policy libbluray1 |
| 16:52.57 | HelloShitty | libbluray1: |
| 16:52.57 | HelloShitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.57 | HelloShitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.57 | HelloShitty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:53.14 | HelloShitty | sorry |
| 16:54.16 | somiaj | is there any version in the version table from debian (not dmo) |
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| 16:55.17 | HelloShitty | apt-cache search says: libbluray1 - Blu-ray disc playback support library (shared library) |
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| 16:57.53 | HelloShitty | Should I jst try to install repositories one? |
| 16:57.58 | somiaj | what is the error you get if you just try to remove that one package? |
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| 16:59.06 | HelloShitty | somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/1108669/ |
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| 16:59.59 | somiaj | have you tried apt-get -f install? |
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| 17:00.11 | HelloShitty | I tired before... Let me try again |
| 17:00.22 | somiaj | also you may need to track down the errors and fix them, what happens if you say try to install libglx0? |
| 17:00.45 | somiaj | sometimes you need to help the resolver when it has trouble figureing things out, by tracking down the problem. |
| 17:00.49 | HelloShitty | -f install returns no errors neither installs or remove packages |
| 17:01.22 | somiaj | also unsure why libsmnp-base and snmp are both there |
| 17:01.46 | HelloShitty | So, by what the error says, should I try to remove snmp and then try to remove again this libbluray1 ? |
| 17:01.50 | somiaj | oh wait, probably an upgrade, so try 'apt install libglx0 libsnmp-base snmp' see if we can track down why apt is having problems. |
| 17:02.08 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 17:02.16 | somiaj | removing those libs could remove a lot of your system, so yes you could try that, but be careful what else gets removed |
| 17:02.56 | HelloShitty | somiaj: not good... lol |
| 17:02.58 | HelloShitty | https://paste.debian.net/1108670/ |
| 17:03.09 | JyZyXEL | when removing is not an option you might downgrade |
| 17:03.29 | HelloShitty | I don't care removing as long as it becomes funcitonal later |
| 17:03.31 | HelloShitty | lol |
| 17:03.48 | somiaj | HelloShitty: I think the issue here is you are half way through an upgrade and are running into problems due to that |
| 17:03.58 | somiaj | HelloShitty: maybe try to upgrade again see if you can get more things upgraded. |
| 17:04.04 | HelloShitty | yes |
| 17:04.05 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 17:04.33 | somiaj | this is also why the release guide says to remove third party packages during an upgrade, but anyways, hopefully we can clean up dmo from your system and get you upgraded. |
| 17:05.02 | HelloShitty | the upgrade command does nothing but to show me a gigantic list of kept back packages |
| 17:05.05 | HelloShitty | :p |
| 17:05.13 | HelloShitty | Going to try to remove the other dmos |
| 17:05.20 | HelloShitty | and see if I can go further |
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| 17:06.10 | JyZyXEL | HelloShitty: did you remember to remove all the dmo sources? |
| 17:06.34 | somiaj | also 'this may be caused by held packages', wonder if you have some packages on hold |
| 17:06.37 | HelloShitty | I remove dmo sources a long ago |
| 17:06.41 | HelloShitty | but many packages remained |
| 17:06.59 | somiaj | HelloShitty: what is the output of 'apt policy' at paste.debian.net |
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| 17:07.03 | HelloShitty | ok, I have to go to pick up my daughter at a birthday party |
| 17:07.04 | HelloShitty | brb |
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| 17:07.42 | HelloShitty | somiaj: apt policy |
| 17:07.45 | HelloShitty | https://paste.debian.net/1108672/ |
| 17:07.46 | HelloShitty | brb |
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| 17:09.11 | somiaj | I would check for held packages next |
| 17:09.42 | somiaj | maybe dpkg --get-selections | grep hold (see if they are held at the dpkg level) |
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| 17:18.13 | Xalys | When using hotplug memory, kdumpctl returns "No memory reserved for crash kernel hotplug". Why? |
| 17:18.41 | Xalys | No, it returns "No memory reserved for crash kernel", there is no hotplug in the error. That was my duckduckgo search :) |
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| 17:22.52 | user467 | Hi. Why am I unable to play videos on Debian 10, from the likes of youtube.com etc? What am I missing? Thanks |
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| 17:26.33 | somiaj | user467: how are you trying to play these videos? With what webbrower? |
| 17:26.49 | user467 | firefox-esr |
| 17:26.51 | user467 | chrome |
| 17:27.25 | user467 | Basically, a clean gnome install of Buster |
| 17:28.36 | somiaj | user467: what does youtube.com/html5 do, I think there was a way to disable that and only use flash in the past. |
| 17:29.14 | user467 | It tells me that I'm amazing. |
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| 17:29.37 | somiaj | hmm, unsure, I think we'll need more info to debug, but it works here and should be using html5 |
| 17:29.56 | somiaj | if you goto a video that doesn't play, and right click on it, does a flash menu pop up? |
| 17:32.39 | user467 | When the page loads, I get the first frame of an advert with 0:00 as the timer. Right click gives a black contextual menu which I believe is the youtube player |
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| 17:36.27 | somiaj | hmm, wonder if there is some network issue blocking the adds, do you have addblock installed? |
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| 17:36.54 | epsilon | sounds like noscript or something else involved |
| 17:39.51 | user467 | It's an out of box install of Buster no addblocker or anything. |
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| 17:41.24 | somiaj | It is a strange issue, could be some network issue on your network blocking the add sites, thus the add never loads, here try this |
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| 17:42.28 | somiaj | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVNT4wvIGY -- Was going to suggest that, because I was fairly certain that video didn't have adds enabled, but then I get some strange youtube add at the start. |
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| 17:43.09 | somiaj | wonder if there is any known video that has no adds, to see if it is an issue with the adds |
| 17:44.37 | annadane | it's google. assume ads |
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| 17:44.53 | somiaj | well youtube gives authors the option to show adds or not, you can't get money if you don't show adds |
| 17:45.30 | user467 | somiaj Thanks, but again, first frame and sits spinning at 0:00 |
| 17:46.30 | somiaj | user467: what country are you in? Just trying to think of things that would prevent the video from actually downloading, because things work just fine here, and you are the first person I've seen in here with this problem. |
| 17:46.45 | somiaj | (well for a long time, the intial flash -> html5 switched caused issues) |
| 17:47.00 | user467 | UK |
| 17:47.14 | user467 | brb |
| 17:48.25 | somiaj | user467: you could try to see if google-chrome (google's offical browser) works, you can download/install the .deb from google and it works just fine in debain too |
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| 18:00.13 | HelloShitty | somiaj: no output for ...| grep hold |
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| 18:01.16 | somiaj | seems you are gonna have to manually track down the confclits and fix them then |
| 18:01.57 | somiaj | you could also try apt dist-upgrade (this allows removal of packages and maybe the logic can help you) |
| 18:02.14 | somiaj | additionally aptitude full-upgrade (sometimes aptitude fan figure out problems apt can't) |
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| 18:03.32 | HelloShitty | I'm removing those dmo packages ine by one now |
| 18:03.38 | HelloShitty | See how far can I go |
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| 19:40.18 | tangarora_ | is there any restriction on creating folders in the target system during preseed? |
| 19:40.44 | tangarora_ | d-i preseed/late_command stringin-target sh -c 'mkdir -pv --mode=0755 /opt/rtd/scripts' ; |
| 19:40.51 | tangarora_ | This line does nothing... |
| 19:41.04 | tangarora_ | looks OK to me though... |
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| 19:44.22 | KeyboardNotFound | Are Macbook's supported by Debian OS? |
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| 19:48.25 | jhutchins | KeyboardNotFound: Macbooks may not support all of their features on Debian, it's up to Apple. |
| 19:48.32 | jhutchins | !macbook |
| 19:48.32 | dpkg | somebody said macbook was http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. For the Air series, ask me about <macbookair>. See also <laptop>. |
| 19:48.57 | KeyboardNotFound | macbookpro |
| 19:49.01 | jhutchins | KeyboardNotFound: I mostly hear good things, but the hardware changes constantly. |
| 19:49.25 | jhutchins | KeyboardNotFound: Try with a leading ! or /msg dpkg macbookpro |
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| 20:30.33 | cursemeforever | will forhelp |
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| 20:33.40 | cursemeforever | not really chanches for all lyricks |
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| 20:35.31 | f-a | what do you use to manage your config files? |
| 20:35.52 | somiaj | I've seen people use git for that. |
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| 20:37.53 | cursemeforever | git for not in buster |
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| 20:38.15 | cursemeforever | in user mode |
| 20:38.15 | felix__ | t |
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| 20:41.23 | cursemeforever | gave me nighthmares |
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| 20:42.27 | cursemeforever | sudo pip is all y want baby |
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| 20:42.37 | nkuttler | oh, no.. don't |
| 20:42.54 | nkuttler | cursemeforever: there's no reason to use sudo with pip |
| 20:43.29 | f-a | thanks somiaj , that would probably do |
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| 20:44.48 | cursemeforever | neoclust: was a mess |
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| 20:50.22 | cursemeforever | not so ever |
| 20:54.42 | cursemeforever | want sudo with pip |
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| 20:59.14 | somiaj | cursemeforever: you are just providing noise and bad advice. Do you have an actual debian support question? |
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| 21:01.00 | cursemeforever | sobkas: gonna sleep |
| 21:01.56 | cursemeforever | somiaj: red tah |
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| 21:08.47 | bernyrd | I am having issues with GPU passthrough |
| 21:08.58 | bernyrd | at face it works, guest boots in QEMU and sees PCI devices |
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| 21:09.08 | bernyrd | however if I set -vga none I get no output on the graphics card |
| 21:10.07 | bernyrd | hmm |
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| 21:28.17 | HelloShitty | hello again |
| 21:28.35 | HelloShitty | well after I think I have managed to solve problems with my update |
| 21:28.43 | HelloShitty | I end up with no desktop |
| 21:29.04 | HelloShitty | I installed plasma-desktop but after rebooting it says it can't connect to any X isplay |
| 21:29.07 | HelloShitty | display |
| 21:30.15 | HelloShitty | Now I'm in text mode |
| 21:31.15 | somiaj | what graphics card do you use? |
| 21:31.58 | HelloShitty | AMD ATI HD7940M |
| 21:32.07 | HelloShitty | but the cpu was a built-in one |
| 21:35.08 | HelloShitty | before I remember that startx was enough to make it work again |
| 21:35.13 | HelloShitty | Now I don't know what to do |
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| 21:43.24 | jelly | HelloShitty: is firmware-amd-graphics installed? Which kernel is running? If you have a kernel from backports the firmware also needs to be from backports. |
| 21:44.16 | HelloShitty | going to check for that firmware |
| 21:44.54 | HelloShitty | dpkg -l says it's installed |
| 21:44.55 | dpkg | No packages found matching says it's installed |
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| 21:45.23 | HelloShitty | dpkg -l firmware-amd-graphics |
| 21:45.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching firmware-amd-graphics |
| 21:46.03 | HelloShitty | kernel is 4.19.0.6-amd64 |
| 21:46.19 | HelloShitty | kernel is 4.19.0-6-amd64 |
| 21:46.51 | jelly | your gpu probably needs that firmware to work properly |
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| 21:46.55 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 21:46.56 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 21:47.26 | jelly | install it, reboot, see if there's any difference |
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| 21:48.08 | jelly | that's a standard kernel for debian 10, so no need for backports |
| 21:48.47 | HelloShitty | jelly: that package is installed |
| 21:48.56 | HelloShitty | firmware-am-graphics is installed |
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| 21:49.11 | HelloShitty | I have main contrib non-free in sources.list |
| 21:49.46 | HelloShitty | when I try to start plasmashell from the command line, I get: |
| 21:50.27 | HelloShitty | qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Coul not connect to display |
| 21:50.33 | jelly | something about DISPLAY variable not being set, because X is not running? |
| 21:50.38 | HelloShitty | Could not connect to any X display |
| 21:50.54 | jelly | that's expected when you try to run an X app outside of X |
| 21:50.59 | HelloShitty | How do I check if X is runnig? |
| 21:51.33 | jelly | ps -fe |grep X |
| 21:52.35 | HelloShitty | I only get a single line and I think it refers to pipelined grep |
| 21:52.44 | HelloShitty | so I guess no X is runnig |
| 21:52.50 | jelly | hopefully someone else is going to help you figure out why X is not running, I'm going afk for the day |
| 21:53.25 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 21:53.34 | HelloShitty | be time here anyways |
| 21:54.55 | HelloShitty | bed* |
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| 22:54.48 | Ede|Popede | there really should be a factoid on imgur.com similar to that on pastebin.com: https://twitter.com/csswizardry/status/1185604806901207045 |
| 22:59.02 | urk | After a fair amount of difficulty, I got some Broadcom firmware installed on my Dell Vostro 1520, but now can't run apt-get update. I get the following error when running apt-get update "Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cfannot be used to add new CD-ROMS . Also get an error message indicating release does |
| 22:59.02 | urk | not have a release file. I am down to 6 minutes on my library computer before being logged off for the day. it would be nice if I could get this laptop running before being booted off. |
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| 22:59.23 | urk | I am running Debian 10, buster with firmware. |
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| 23:02.52 | urk | what command should I run to fix this problem? |
| 23:03.11 | urk | I am running an unofficial release of buster so that I could get the firmware, but it didn't have the firmware, and i added it in. |
| 23:03.12 | tomreyn | 3 minutes wont suffice to fix this, come back next time |
| 23:03.19 | urk | All but the mike appears to be working. |
| 23:03.40 | urk | standby and I will ask the librarian if I can have a 2nd over extension. |
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| 23:05.33 | urk | Librarian gave me another 60 minutes. |
| 23:05.44 | tomreyn | run this: sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog |
| 23:06.06 | tomreyn | it gathers info on the state of apt and posts it to termbin.com, a pastebin-like website |
| 23:06.18 | tomreyn | it doesn't change anything, though |
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| 23:07.40 | tomreyn | if you used some how-to to install the firmware, please link to it. if you know which hardware you have that required the firmware, please provide information on that, too |
| 23:09.46 | tomreyn | apparently broadcom 4312 |
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| 23:10.12 | urk | tomreyn> broadcom 4312 |
| 23:10.29 | urk | tomreyn> was that sudo command referring to me that you posted earlier? |
| 23:10.44 | tomreyn | urk: yes, this sudo command was for you |
| 23:11.09 | tomreyn | https://wiki.debian.org/wl explains how to configure broadcom 4312 |
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| 23:12.10 | m0rd3cai | sounds like adding contrib and nonfree repo's, then installing firmware-linux-nonfree woud solve the problem? |
| 23:12.14 | urk | tomreyn> I get an unexpected token error "(" |
| 23:12.47 | tomreyn | urk: do you copy and paste the command or do you type it? which shell are you using? |
| 23:12.48 | urk | I am going to repost your command so that I don't have to scroll |
| 23:12.50 | urk | run this: sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog |
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| 23:13.45 | urk | Should I leave out the ( |
| 23:13.57 | urk | I am already in root so I don't need the sudo |
| 23:15.06 | urk | I removed all the sudos and ended up with > |
| 23:15.15 | tomreyn | it's hard to work with youif you don't ander my questions. since you're already running as root you can use this instead: |
| 23:15.16 | tomreyn | cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <( apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog |
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| 23:15.32 | tomreyn | s/ander/answer/ |
| 23:17.42 | urk | I get an error message indicating command nc not found. |
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| 23:20.23 | tomreyn | urk: okay, that's my fault, i haven't tested this on debian, just ubuntu. do yuo have "netcat" though? |
| 23:20.45 | urk | tomreyn> should be in here. i will check |
| 23:20.59 | urk | Do you want me to replace the nc with netcat? |
| 23:21.16 | tomreyn | urk: if you have it available, yes |
| 23:21.44 | urk | tomreyn> No, I don't think netcat is installed on here. |
| 23:21.55 | urk | I get command not found when running it, and there is no man page for it. |
| 23:22.02 | tomreyn | urk: do you have pastebinit, pastie or similar? |
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| 23:22.43 | urk | I am on a library computer, and working along side the laptop with the problem. I type fast so i can type the issue in a Debian Paste on the libraries computer so that you can see what is going on. |
| 23:23.09 | urk | Do you want me to past the result of the last sudo command you gave me? The only error that came back was nc not found. |
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| 23:24.11 | tomreyn | urk: if you can copy and paste the contents of /tmp/aptlog to https://paste.debian.net this would help |
| 23:25.23 | urk | I am already root, and getting an error that Permission was denied. Wonder why |
| 23:25.45 | tomreyn | doing what? |
| 23:25.59 | urk | tomreyn> after I entered /tmp/aptlog |
| 23:26.12 | urk | should I run cat? |
| 23:26.16 | tomreyn | thats not a command, thats a text file |
| 23:26.20 | tomreyn | yes, cat |
| 23:26.40 | urk | ok. got it. |
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| 23:30.42 | urk | tomreyn> This is the results https://paste.debian.net/1108761/ |
| 23:31.46 | tomreyn | okay, so you replaced all aot sources by a cdrom source? |
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| 23:32.24 | urk | I just installed Debian without firmware initially from a usb boot stick, and then added the firmware with the help of someone in the linux channel. |
| 23:32.54 | tomreyn | and this laptop now had internet access or not? |
| 23:33.01 | tomreyn | haS |
| 23:33.15 | urk | laptop now has internet access after adding the firmware, but can't run updates, nor apt-get commands. |
| 23:33.44 | tomreyn | so restore the apt sources.list to what it should be. this is buster, you say? |
| 23:33.53 | tomreyn | lsb_release -ds |
| 23:34.02 | urk | tomreyn> This is buster. |
| 23:34.06 | tomreyn | ok |
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| 23:34.44 | urk | ok. Returned : Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) |
| 23:34.55 | tomreyn | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
| 23:35.17 | tomreyn | you want the first and second box |
| 23:35.34 | tomreyn | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:36.08 | urk | No backports |
| 23:36.14 | urk | ? |
| 23:36.47 | tomreyn | up to you |
| 23:36.48 | J_C | not unless you want backported packages from testing |
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| 23:37.12 | urk | J_C> Backports is usually useful, but I can add it later. |
| 23:37.24 | tomreyn | and you can actually skip or comment out the "deb-src" lines |
| 23:37.29 | J_C | urk: of course :) |
| 23:38.42 | J_C | remember to run 'apt update; after you change the sources. not doubting your technical knowledge or anything, it's just something I tend to forget to do as well |
| 23:38.52 | tomreyn | once you're done, run apt update and fix any remaining warinings, or report what they are if you need assistence. |
| 23:39.07 | tomreyn | okay, J_C beat me to it |
| 23:40.20 | urk | this config file doesn't look right https://paste.debian.net/1108763/ |
| 23:41.19 | J_C | yeah, looks like some duplicates |
| 23:42.07 | urk | thats what I thought. |
| 23:42.35 | Kyros | hey what does this plus sign mean "-rw-r--r--+" ? |
| 23:43.22 | whislock | There are additional ACLs applied. |
| 23:43.28 | tomreyn | urk: delete lines 7 and 8 |
| 23:44.02 | J_C | tomreyn: does he even need lines 1-8? seems he's got them later in the file again |
| 23:44.24 | J_C | just with contrib and non-free added |
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| 23:44.45 | Kyros | i guess this is why i should add files to a project through samba |
| 23:44.47 | tomreyn | J_C: you'Re right, i'm getting sleepy here |
| 23:45.02 | J_C | tomreyn: haha no worries |
| 23:45.18 | tomreyn | urk: please do as J_C pointed out, delete lines 1-8 |
| 23:45.47 | tomreyn | sorry about the extra typing there |
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| 23:47.45 | Kyros | shouldnt even |
| 23:49.23 | tomreyn | urk: hurry up, times' running out, and i need sleep |
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| 23:56.50 | tomreyn | urk: okay, you're not available fro some reason, i'm wrapping it up here. you should just need to apt update && apt -f install && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
| 23:57.02 | tomreyn | good luck! |
