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| 01:25.50 | Ooze | Does anyone know what this black bar above tint2 is? It wasn't there before my last boot https://incorrigible.me/u/screenFetch-2019-02-13_20-24-30.png |
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| 01:27.49 | Ooze | Any tool I can use to investigate it? |
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| 02:09.32 | LikWidChz | Hey there, I put debian and kde on my laptop yesterday and noticed the wireless is not installed. while installing the install guide barked about firmware-iwlwifi LSPCI detects it... |
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| 02:17.38 | LikWidChz | LOL ignore Ignore! consulted the FM and RTFM'ed it and square. |
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| 02:43.48 | jcb2016 | whats the diffrence between apt-get install and apt install? |
| 02:44.43 | jrtc27 | look at man apt, down the bottom it tells you how apt and apt-get differ |
| 02:45.02 | jcb2016 | jrtc27 ok didn't know it would be there :D |
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| 02:45.38 | jrtc27 | essentially apt install and apt-get install are the same thing, except apt is designed to be more user-friendly and have better defaults, but apt-get is the one that's designed to have a stable interface (so scripts can reliably use it without it breaking due to defaults changing) |
| 02:53.54 | de-facto | Is there a good skeleton for a very easy "debian" package build directory ? |
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| 02:58.23 | LikWidChz | anyone familier with GIT? |
| 02:58.54 | ChmEarl | de-facto, man dh-make -> adds a delta to your pkg root |
| 02:58.55 | jrtc27 | de-facto: !dh-make |
| 02:59.10 | jrtc27 | !dpkg dh-make |
| 02:59.10 | dpkg | i guess dh-make is a spiffy automatic-deb-ifier program that does a lot of the basic turning of a tarball into a .deb for you, using debhelper The packages it generates are a good first start for many things but are far from perfect. Ask me about <nmg> <devref> and <policy> for how to improve the packages it makes. |
| 02:59.49 | jrtc27 | (the command is actually dh_make, but it's in the dh-make package) |
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| 03:05.37 | de-facto | nice one guys, thanks :) |
| 03:05.48 | lostfile | is it worth using doas instead of sudo |
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| 03:22.29 | de-facto | is there a special tool to build a "debian" directory for a new package from a git repo? I cant provide a orig.tar.xz for example... |
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| 03:32.21 | n4dir | there sure is, but i forgot the name. There is #packaging, iirc, where you may ask (perhaps on the oftc channel). de-facto |
| 03:32.59 | n4dir | perhaps git-buildpackages |
| 03:34.23 | de-facto | i want to learn how to auto-publish a singed .deb out of my ci/cd git repo on pushing a tag |
| 03:35.04 | de-facto | right now i can do that with a tar.gz, looking for the debian way now... |
| 03:35.24 | n4dir | no clue, as said, try #packaging ( let me check at the debian wiki if the channel name is correct) |
| 03:35.37 | de-facto | its pretty much empty |
| 03:36.00 | n4dir | oftc network? |
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| 03:36.27 | de-facto | ?? |
| 03:37.04 | n4dir | this very channel, #debian, is on the freenode server, most other debian channels are on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:37.30 | de-facto | oh |
| 03:38.16 | n4dir | i'm not really in building, but once i asked there, and i got good help. you might wanna try again, assuming right now it is silent (due to time of the day) |
| 03:38.28 | n4dir | good luck. |
| 03:38.34 | de-facto | thank you :) |
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| 04:08.38 | LikWidChz | So I have a weird question, hopefully this makes sense. I try and run an application that I was able to apt-get and it says its installed. but it fails. I find it and its located in /usr/sbin ... is there something im doing dumb that is causing that specific path to not be in the ... $path? |
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| 04:12.22 | well_laid_lawn | try in a terminl echo $PATH |
| 04:12.37 | well_laid_lawn | and how does the program fail ? |
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| 04:15.49 | LikWidChz | hi well_laid_lawn great nick, well I think I might have fixed it actually.. but I dont know if it was the proper way of fixing it |
| 04:16.31 | well_laid_lawn | ok |
| 04:16.35 | well_laid_lawn | :) |
| 04:16.39 | LikWidChz | ... when stuff is installed from debian apt-get its like it gets installed in a location that the $path isnt pointing too, so I had to add that manually to my .bashrc file that seems weird |
| 04:17.46 | LikWidChz | that seems dumb right? I mean I dont know i do dumb stuff but learn me if I am |
| 04:18.34 | well_laid_lawn | it does seem strange that the executable isn't in $PATH |
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| 04:20.28 | LikWidChz | again if you feel like you are giving me basic answers please do so I wont take offence to them! like I install net-tools and it got dumped into /sbin. I noticed that /sbin wasnt in my path so I had to add it. |
| 04:20.58 | LikWidChz | as root I modified the .bashrc file and added the one liner to include that. |
| 04:21.54 | LikWidChz | using other distros, i dont think ive ever run into that problem before, but not having a lot of help learning linux , i dont know where things naturally get installed like executables... ive seen stuff in /sbin and /usr/sbin |
| 04:22.30 | LikWidChz | so I would think.. I shouldnt do that.... that those two directories should naturally be in the path by defaultness. |
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| 04:25.10 | well_laid_lawn | here I have /sbin and /usr/sbin in my $PATH |
| 04:25.27 | well_laid_lawn | but I have had this install for a while now |
| 04:25.43 | LikWidChz | should that be included in the .bashrc file?? or is there a more apropriate place for it to be for global users?? |
| 04:25.48 | well_laid_lawn | nothing wrong with adding to the $PATH |
| 04:26.28 | LikWidChz | alright, well that is weird |
| 04:26.32 | well_laid_lawn | I use ~/.bash_profile |
| 04:27.23 | LikWidChz | I dont have the profile just .bashrc |
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| 04:27.31 | LikWidChz | something custom?? |
| 04:28.10 | well_laid_lawn | no I've always had a .bash_profile |
| 04:28.28 | LikWidChz | oh okay. |
| 04:29.08 | LikWidChz | wellllllll weird. So whats the deal with your nic ?? you get new sod? |
| 04:29.11 | LikWidChz | :) |
| 04:30.02 | well_laid_lawn | just mucking about with words |
| 04:30.24 | LikWidChz | haha no worries, there was one guy I new his nic was "ieatlint" |
| 04:30.28 | well_laid_lawn | wanted something different |
| 04:30.38 | well_laid_lawn | heh |
| 04:30.54 | LikWidChz | how about "IHateCrabGrass" |
| 04:31.07 | LikWidChz | ... or clovers or w/e... |
| 04:31.37 | LikWidChz | fyi removing crab grass with an edger is a terriable idea :) |
| 04:32.13 | well_laid_lawn | the only thing I know about grass is cows eat it |
| 04:32.24 | LikWidChz | haha you must not have cows then. |
| 04:32.57 | well_laid_lawn | it's the only thing cows should eat afaik |
| 04:33.06 | well_laid_lawn | grain is not for cows |
| 04:33.34 | LikWidChz | NO idea about all that, i just dick around with linux. |
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| 04:35.37 | LikWidChz | But regardless! thank you |
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| 05:26.42 | EdePopede | LikWidChz: the blueprints for the basic dotfiles are in /etc/skel. the */sbin pathes are set only for root at the beginning. |
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| 05:45.13 | dadinn | hi all |
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| 05:54.49 | dadinn | what is the difference betwen gitlab.debian.net and git.fosscommunity.in? Is it the same server with different names? |
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| 05:59.29 | dadinn | also I suppose these both are different from gitlab.com |
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| 06:00.50 | perseiver | hello, I need help in configuring static route... |
| 06:01.25 | perseiver | the method to create route file such as route-interface name, similar to Centos or Ubuntu is not working |
| 06:01.59 | perseiver | I have to add 20 static route on two interface configured with static ip |
| 06:02.27 | perseiver | For sample, I have paste my requirement detail in link paste.debian.net/plain/1067755 |
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| 06:15.14 | dadinn | no worries managed to read the front page... and it answered my questions :P |
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| 06:24.27 | perseiver | Hello when I add post-up ip route for interfaces.... systemctl restart network always failed |
| 06:24.44 | perseiver | I am trying to configure static route for my system |
| 06:24.50 | perseiver | here is the detail |
| 06:24.51 | perseiver | paste.debian.net/plain/1067755 |
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| 06:30.56 | perseiver | I am getting "Failed To start Raise Network" where should I look into now |
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| 07:39.34 | rebrec | hello i have a question about xrandr : i don't find the answer within "man" : when i type xrandr, there is a wildcard (*) in the output which show which resolution is active. But there is also a plus (+) which is sometimes on another resolution. Could someone explain me or tell me where i can find informations on what the + mean please ? |
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| 07:46.13 | rebrec | perseiver have you tried to add your routes to /etc/network/interfaces using "post-up" and "pre-down" directives (si examples for Debian there https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/configuring-static-routes-in-debian-or-red-hat-linux-systems.html ) |
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| 07:56.41 | Haohmaru | rebrec i would guess it might indicate the "prefered" resolution.. maybe? |
| 07:57.17 | Haohmaru | in my case i got "*+" on the same resolution |
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| 08:21.59 | rebrec | Hackintech i do have both * and + on the same line too but when i plug a secondary display device, depending on the display device, i sometimes have the * and the + on 2 different lines for one display and both * and + on the same resolution for the other display |
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| 08:23.22 | Haohmaru | well, no idea then, if the docs say nothing, then the actual source code might tell what the plus is for |
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| 09:16.28 | ksk | perseiver: I think nowadays you can add routes via a specific systemd-thingy - dont ask me which please |
| 09:17.46 | ksk | and I think it should also always be possible to add these things to /etc/network/interfaces directly - like put an "up /sbin/ip route add ... || true" line in it |
| 09:18.02 | ksk | not too flexible though this way. |
| 09:18.28 | ksk | (also make sure to put || true in there, or else these lines will break your networking if they break) |
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| 09:27.14 | jelly | ifupdown-extra apparently has some provisions for static route setups |
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| 09:38.50 | PaddyF | is there something like virtualenv in python for nodejs? |
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| 09:41.22 | rebrec | PaddyF not the good place to ask i guess but depending on which part you are looking for : running different nodejs version per project (==> USE nvm) or having node modules only available for specific project (==> USE npm init + npm install XXX, or even better, use yarn) |
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| 09:44.44 | PaddyF | well, with the packages from stretch and stretch-backports i get several errors related to "deprecated" packages. and when i setup nodejs manually from the project site the errors change but i cant use triplie-ng |
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| 09:45.35 | PaddyF | is that a situation where docker could help? |
| 09:45.39 | SerajewelKS | PaddyF: you'd be better off asking a node-related channel |
| 09:45.54 | PaddyF | they will say debian is a better place |
| 09:46.12 | SerajewelKS | for fixing npm package warnings? hardly. |
| 09:46.32 | PaddyF | no, for providing an environment for a software |
| 09:46.56 | PaddyF | this is a classic devops case |
| 09:47.02 | SerajewelKS | if you get node directly from nodesource and things don't work, then it's an issue with the package |
| 09:47.20 | PaddyF | its okay if you dont want to help. feel free to sit back and let the topic pass |
| 09:47.27 | SerajewelKS | but since you haven't actually shown us the errors, there's little we can do |
| 09:47.33 | PaddyF | really. its okay |
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| 09:48.45 | rebrec | PaddyF you may just use nvm installit the wait explained here : https://github.com/creationix/nvm (tldr : curl -o- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/creationix/nvm/v0.34.0/install.sh | bash) |
| 09:49.18 | rebrec | PaddyF but as SerajewelKS said: #node.js is the place where to ask |
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| 09:49.36 | rebrec | PaddyF or pm me if you want |
| 09:49.37 | PaddyF | no. |
| 09:49.49 | perseiver | hello rebrec, yes I have tried that |
| 09:50.27 | SerajewelKS | PaddyF: you've given us insufficient information to even identify the problem. it's possible that a "virtual environment" won't even solve your problem. it may be the nodejs version (in which case install a different one -- if you can't do that on your system for whatever reason THEN a virtual environment may help), it may be something specific in debian that's conflicting (then it's a debian |
| 09:50.33 | SerajewelKS | problem) or it may be a bug with the package. you're going to have to give us more information. |
| 09:50.46 | PaddyF | can you try harder pissing me off? |
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| 09:51.18 | PaddyF | people seem to think i join irc to let folks ruin my mood |
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| 09:51.33 | SerajewelKS | i'm not even trying to piss you off, i'm saying that asking for "a virtual environment for nodejs" is vague and you likely have an xy problem to begin with, but for some reason you haven't decided to give any additional information |
| 09:52.03 | PaddyF | to provide an environment for a software is one of the classic tasks of a sysadmin |
| 09:52.20 | themill | and the nodejs people are probably the ones to know what that is and how it works? |
| 09:52.20 | SerajewelKS | yes, and "apt install nodejs" will do that. except that in your case it doesn't work. so _why doesn't it work?_ |
| 09:52.25 | PaddyF | i wont go to a programmer channel only because it would comfort you |
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| 09:52.37 | themill | That's fine. |
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| 09:53.14 | perseiver | rebrec: i am getting invalid argument, when I run command. sudo ip route add 10.188.153.21/28 via 10.176.19.109 dev enx****** . FYI i can ping the ip 10.188.153.21 using command 'ping 10.188.153.21 -I enx*****' |
| 09:53.23 | themill | That's your choice. Also our choice that this is going nowhere and we can't be bothered with your aggression any more. |
| 09:53.46 | Ticho_ | wow, this should go to some textbook on how not to ask for assistance on irc |
| 09:54.17 | SerajewelKS | perseiver: what is the output of "ip addr" and "ip route"? |
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| 09:54.58 | rebrec | perseiver wrong subnet |
| 09:55.04 | rebrec | nevermind |
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| 09:56.05 | SerajewelKS | perseiver: if you can ping it with -I then that apparently means that the IP address is already directly reachable on the attached network segment. e.g. there is already a link-local route, most likely. |
| 09:56.13 | Ticho_ | but it is a wrong subnet - network address should be 10.188.153.16/28 |
| 09:56.26 | Ticho_ | .21 is an address within the above subnet |
| 09:56.38 | SerajewelKS | Ticho_: i'm pretty sure that ip will correct that |
| 09:56.48 | Ticho_ | it won't, I just tried on my local system |
| 09:56.53 | SerajewelKS | oh, hmm. interesting. |
| 09:57.05 | Ticho_ | I also got "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" |
| 09:57.17 | SerajewelKS | regardless, the fact that he can fling packets out that interface and get a reply means that either he doesn't need a gateway, or a route already exists |
| 09:57.42 | Ticho_ | yes, if he can ping that address, then he does not need a route |
| 09:57.51 | SerajewelKS | it's very rare that i see a tool that won't zero out the host part of a subnet when it's expecting a network |
| 09:58.08 | SerajewelKS | erm the host part of a CIDR specification |
| 09:58.11 | Ticho_ | right |
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| 09:58.31 | SerajewelKS | i can't call it a bug but i would call it somewhat anti-user |
| 09:58.34 | Ticho_ | perhaps it is intentional, to make sure people enter the right thing :) |
| 09:59.08 | Ticho_ | routing is serious business, I like that the tool doesn't accept input of "roughly this, give or take" variety |
| 09:59.13 | SerajewelKS | maybe but i've seen linux in general be more forgiving with input that has worse consequences |
| 09:59.29 | SerajewelKS | *shrug* |
| 09:59.32 | Ticho_ | true :) |
| 09:59.58 | Ticho_ | if you want consistency, do not use linux :) |
| 10:00.19 | SerajewelKS | i think if you want consistency, you can't use computers at all |
| 10:00.19 | perseiver | SerajewelKs here is output paste.debian.net/download/1067765 |
| 10:01.09 | SerajewelKS | perseiver: that's really odd that the ping even works |
| 10:01.14 | perseiver | Ticho_ I have to route all packets from that address. Router is kept at another point |
| 10:01.28 | SerajewelKS | perseiver: why would the ping work when that address isn't on the same segment? |
| 10:01.58 | SerajewelKS | oh. duh. the default route. |
| 10:02.10 | Ticho_ | probably routable via the default gateway, but he needs it to go via a different route |
| 10:02.29 | perseiver | Ticho_ I can ping because I have instructed to ping from particular network interfaces.. by putting -I option... I have 3 network interfaces |
| 10:02.31 | SerajewelKS | no, it's probably not routable by the default. -I tells it what interface to go out and so it uses _that_ interface's gateway. |
| 10:02.41 | Ticho_ | right |
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| 10:03.22 | SerajewelKS | perseiver: okay so what Ticho_ said earlier then. 10.188.153.21/28 is not all-zero in the host part. you need to use 10.188.153.16/28. "sudo ip route add 10.188.153.16/28 via 10.176.19.109 dev enx..." |
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| 10:03.43 | SerajewelKS | the kernel is rejecting the route because the host part is non-zero |
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| 10:03.55 | SerajewelKS | e.g. it identifies a host, not a network |
| 10:04.07 | perseiver | SerajewelKS I am routing packets to another router... router is able to reach the destination... so I am sending packet to router and router is forwarding to destination. Then its sending reply back to me |
| 10:04.47 | SerajewelKS | perseiver: yes, i figured that out. honestly having a default route on three interfaces is a bit of a misconfiguration unless this is a failover scenario |
| 10:04.59 | perseiver | yes |
| 10:05.14 | SerajewelKS | but yes, correct the network specifier in your ip route add command and it should work |
| 10:06.35 | perseiver | hello, sudo ip route add 10.188.153.16/28 via 10.176.19.109 dev enx.. is working... route is added successfully |
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| 10:06.51 | perseiver | how its worked.. I don't know |
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| 10:06.58 | SerajewelKS | perseiver: make sure you persist the route in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:07.08 | SerajewelKS | perseiver: 10.188.153.16/28 is the network that contains 10.188.153.21 |
| 10:07.27 | SerajewelKS | you add networks with ip route, not hosts (unless it's a /32, i guess) |
| 10:07.38 | SerajewelKS | but 10.188.153.21/28 isn't a network. hence the "invalid argument" error. |
| 10:07.49 | perseiver | ok. got that means I have to add network not host |
| 10:07.54 | SerajewelKS | yep |
| 10:08.12 | SerajewelKS | ipcalc can tell you what the network is, btw. very useful tool. |
| 10:08.24 | perseiver | Now it leads to one problem... how to calculate the network |
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| 10:08.35 | SerajewelKS | perseiver: apt install ipcalc |
| 10:08.50 | SerajewelKS | "ipcalc 10.188.153.21/28" shows multiple lines, one of them is "Network: 10.188.153.16/28" |
| 10:09.18 | perseiver | ok... |
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| 10:10.36 | perseiver | ok Now I will add network and try once more time... |
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| 10:17.43 | perseiver | SerajewelKS: I am trying to make the routing persistent. For that I am using post-up ip route .... ! Will I have to add pre-down ip route .... also? |
| 10:17.58 | perseiver | in /etc/network/interface file |
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| 10:18.48 | jelly | perseiver: down or post-down probably |
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| 10:19.53 | perseiver | jelly: I have two variation from internet.. One is telling to add line: up route add -net. Where other is telling post-up ip route add ... ! Which one is correct |
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| 10:20.51 | ksk | perseiver: both. route is like the old way, and ip is the new sh*t. |
| 10:21.05 | blackflow | so teh latter is correct. |
| 10:21.15 | blackflow | because the old is being deprecated. |
| 10:21.19 | ksk | yeah, better use ip. |
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| 10:21.51 | ksk | ip combines many tools to do networking compared to the old ways, it can do things "ifconfig, route" and others did combined. |
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| 10:24.07 | blackflow | it's the swiss army knife for networking :) |
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| 10:24.16 | perseiver | ok ksk... I am doing that.. But whenever I run systemctl restart networking.. I got failure. On checking status it says.. Failed to Raise Network interface |
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| 10:25.02 | blackflow | I was under impression that the correct way to restart networking is to use ifdown and ifup directly, not restart services. |
| 10:25.18 | perseiver | ok |
| 10:25.37 | blackflow | although.... |
| 10:25.57 | blackflow | the service seems to be doing just that. ifdown -a and ifup -a |
| 10:26.23 | perseiver | but.. when I type ifdown <interface-name> I am getting interface is not configured |
| 10:26.34 | blackflow | perseiver: see if you can do it manually. ifdown -a then pause a second then ifup -a |
| 10:26.43 | blackflow | perseiver: oh well, is it configured? |
| 10:27.04 | blackflow | (I was thinking about timing issues between ifdown and ifup of a service "restart") |
| 10:28.09 | perseiver | I don't know what is configured..? I have configured the interface with static ip and I can ping its gateway successfully |
| 10:28.32 | perseiver | is there something extra to do? In addition to this? |
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| 10:29.14 | blackflow | are you sure you're not making typos? those NICS you showed yesterday had abismal names.... |
| 10:29.36 | zafu | hi, how do I pass an argument to "service daemon start" ? for instance I want to start postgresql-10 and not postgresql-11 |
| 10:30.06 | zafu | or one specific tunnel of openvpn |
| 10:30.32 | perseiver | no I am not making any typos error (blackflow) |
| 10:31.31 | blackflow | perseiver: can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces as well as exact ifup command you're issuing and its output? |
| 10:31.45 | perseiver | ok sure |
| 10:31.52 | blackflow | zafu: you don't. you start the appropriate service |
| 10:32.29 | blackflow | postgresql is templated with systemd, meaning you can start proper version directly. systemctl start postgresql@10-main.service should work |
| 10:32.40 | zafu | blackflow: ah ok, thanks! |
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| 10:34.37 | perseiver | blackflow: here it is paste.debian.net/download/1067773 |
| 10:34.55 | perseiver | for example purpose I just done ifup for one interface only |
| 10:35.34 | perseiver | paste.debian.net/plain/1067773 |
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| 10:36.22 | blackflow | perseiver: what's ens33? which NIC, which driver? |
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| 10:36.55 | perseiver | ens33 is PC LAN Card adapter |
| 10:38.07 | blackflow | perseiver: which chipset? |
| 10:39.14 | blackflow | perseiver: oh.... also this. Remove one of the gateways. |
| 10:39.35 | blackflow | perseiver: https://blog.karssen.org/2013/03/28/solving-rtnetlink-answers-file-exists-when-running-ifup/ |
| 10:40.21 | perseiver | don't know how to find chipset... I just run command dmesg | grep -i ethernet... and find its not showing in output |
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| 10:41.49 | perseiver | will I have to download a driver for PCI LAN card? |
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| 10:43.12 | blackflow | perseiver: nah, first try removing one of the gateway, and read that blog. I thought hardware issues first, but then foud that blog that says the error pops out when you have more than one gateway. |
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| 10:44.20 | perseiver | obviously, I have 3 interfaces configured with 3 ip with gateway.... |
| 10:44.24 | blackflow | which makes sense, when you think about it, but the error is a misleading little attrocious <...> . |
| 10:45.15 | blackflow | perseiver: well, gateway is "default" gateway. by default your network is configured to route via appropriate interfaces for their respective subnets. but for all other IPs, you need one gateway. |
| 10:46.04 | perseiver | I think.. main problem is when I type command "ifdown <interface-name>" I always got >> ifdown: interface <interface-name> not configured.... I should first resolve this |
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| 10:48.49 | blackflow | perseiver: DID YOU READ THAT BLOG? |
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| 10:51.39 | perseiver | yes, the situation best fit for single interface only... I will have to look solution for multiple interface.. |
| 10:52.04 | blackflow | perseiver: solution for what? you can't have multiple default gateways. |
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| 10:53.55 | perseiver | blackflow: I know multiple default gateway can't be set on single NIC. But I have 3 NIC. One is set to DHCP. and remaining two is Static IP.. Default routing will goes with Only 1 NIC.. and I have no issue with that. I just want to add static route to my STATIC NIC's |
| 10:56.01 | blackflow | perseiver: no, you can't have multiple gateways in total |
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| 10:56.21 | blackflow | I mean think about it.... through which gateway should packets to, say, 8.8.8.8 be sent? |
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| 11:12.47 | Krx8iSGWG | why doesn't anki seem to be in the stretch repos? |
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| 11:18.29 | ksk | ,v anki |
| 11:18.30 | judd | Package: anki on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.11-1; jessie: 2.0.31+dfsg-1; sid: 2.1.7+dfsg-1; buster: 2.1.8+dfsg-1 |
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| 11:19.03 | ksk | mhhm, I think there was a switch somehow to show the bugreport why a package didnt make it into $release, but which was it.. |
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| 11:20.10 | ksk | ehm btw, how can buster have a newer package than sid? |
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| 11:28.44 | perseiver | hi ksk and blackflow, still facing issue with ifup and ifdown command. I need to find another answer. Right now I just added route using ip command... and later I will find robust method to make it persistent. Thanks to you guys.. One solution has worked and that one was to add network instead of host in ip route add command. |
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| 11:34.43 | blackflow | perseiver: did you remove all but one gateway? |
| 11:35.39 | perseiver | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.51 | perseiver | I have now find the great solution... |
| 11:36.09 | perseiver | Now everything is working similar to Centos and Ubuntu |
| 11:36.11 | perseiver | using nmtui |
| 11:36.44 | perseiver | what I have did is that changed network-manager conf file.. and make managed=true in the entry |
| 11:36.49 | perseiver | and everything is working |
| 11:37.19 | perseiver | thanks to this https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
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| 11:39.44 | blackflow | good for you. |
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| 12:02.03 | Sepultura_ | Debian Channel User kathie22 is a spam bot |
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| 12:03.59 | Sepultura_ | andrzejv: Hallo, Czesc :D |
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| 12:05.04 | blackflow | Sepultura_: set mode +R on your account |
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| 12:25.33 | aaii | Hi, Why when i run this command : alias xx=python3 xx.py didnt work, and if i run xx just run python3 didnt run xx.py |
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| 12:30.06 | aaii | solved :) |
| 12:30.08 | blackflow | aaii: yes, because you're doing it wrong. what exactly do you want to achieve? |
| 12:30.13 | jelly | aaii: if your alias contains spaces you need to quote the whole thing in the definition |
| 12:30.24 | aaii | yeah i forgot "" |
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| 12:31.21 | jelly | you could also rename xx.py to xx, give it executable permissions, and put the correct #! as the first line, #!/usr/bin/python3 |
| 12:31.34 | jelly | and then you can run ./xx |
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| 12:31.48 | jelly | or put it somewhere in your PATH and run it as "xx" |
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| 12:37.37 | jken | Hello, I've got a weird issue on Debian stretch. Often, about once every few days my screen goes black, I can't switch TTYs, and the system does not respond to keyboard input in any way. However, sound keeps playing until I reboot. Nothing is logged in my xorg logs, journalctl, dmesg, etc, so i don't even know where to begin. |
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| 12:44.32 | jken | looks like I can actually ssh into the system when it is in this state. |
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| 12:46.07 | blackflow | jken: which DE? which gpu? |
| 12:47.12 | blackflow | I've seen this happening with xfce and using power options on the monitor (turn off for inactivity period). blank screen, blinking cursor top left, can't switch TTYs, but audio and the rest seems responsive. |
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| 13:03.03 | Krx8iSGWG | judd: not in stretch though, is it? |
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| 13:04.10 | project2501a | hey guys |
| 13:04.22 | project2501a | if i want to debug a remote x application, how would i go about it? |
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| 13:07.00 | abrotman | Krx8iSGWG: judd is a bot |
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| 13:18.53 | de-facto | Which is the current recommended metapackage for building debian packages? I want to start from debian:stable-slim docker image and install a minimal package build env |
| 13:19.31 | de-facto | so i guess i need "build-essential <debian-deb-build-stuff>" |
| 13:19.59 | BCMM | de-facto: yes, build-essential plus, of course, the actual build deps for that actual package |
| 13:20.14 | de-facto | no in general |
| 13:20.31 | de-facto | which meta package is the minimal common one for building .deb |
| 13:20.45 | themill | itym "docker image" not "metapackage"? |
| 13:21.00 | de-facto | debian meta package |
| 13:21.01 | BCMM | de-facto: build-essential. |
| 13:21.07 | de-facto | nope |
| 13:21.42 | de-facto | hmm or maybe yes... |
| 13:21.43 | BCMM | de-facto: ... nope to what, exactly? |
| 13:21.58 | de-facto | is build-essential all i need for building a .deb? |
| 13:22.13 | de-facto | excluding the package build deps itself |
| 13:22.19 | BCMM | de-facto: it should be, yes |
| 13:22.35 | BCMM | (if it isn't, the source package is missing a build-dep) |
| 13:22.40 | BCMM | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html#completebuild |
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| 13:23.00 | themill | whalebuilder used to be a thing. no idea if something has replaced it |
| 13:23.05 | de-facto | hmm what about packages like packaging-dev or fakeroot devscripts |
| 13:23.31 | BCMM | de-facto: build-essential pulls in dpkg-dev |
| 13:24.45 | de-facto | BCMM, so for a minimal build image i can just base my Dockerfile on "FROM: debian:stable-slim" and apt-get build-essential + my packages own deps and am complete then? |
| 13:24.57 | BCMM | de-facto: as far as i understand, packaging-dev is not required to build packages |
| 13:25.40 | themill | its description is rather clear about that |
| 13:25.53 | de-facto | i want it as slim as possible (small image) yet complete to build .debs |
| 13:27.05 | BCMM | de-facto: i don't really know much about docker. but build-essential is the sole metapackage you need to be able to build debian packages |
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| 13:28.28 | BCMM | (with the caveats that 1. you also need the actual build-deps of a package, and 2. you might not have the tools needed to *develop* packages) |
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| 13:29.13 | BCMM | you may have seen tutorials that assume you'll be modifying the packages and thus need some development tools as opposed to literally just build tools |
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| 13:30.02 | de-facto | nope not developing packages, just the minimal requirements to build with CI/CD |
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| 13:32.52 | de-facto | so only "build-essentail" then? |
| 13:33.38 | themill | I think we've said that a few times now |
| 13:34.16 | de-facto | ok thanks :) |
| 13:34.36 | themill | tbh, just trying it would probably have been faster too |
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| 13:35.14 | themill | most packages build in considerably less than 15 min. |
| 13:35.17 | BCMM | de-facto: can i refer you to the package description please? https://packages.debian.org/stretch/build-essential |
| 13:35.24 | BCMM | "If you have this package installed, you only need to install whatever a package specifies as its build-time dependencies to build the package." |
| 13:36.10 | de-facto | yes i read it, i just wanted to confirm if its still the "common" recommended practice since i am new to building .deb packages |
| 13:37.00 | Krx8iSGWG | abrotman: whoops, thank you |
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| 14:05.18 | BCMM | fling: for qt5: qt5-gtk-platformtheme |
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| 14:17.40 | jken | blackflow, no DE, straight X and openbox |
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| 14:25.02 | [E]sc | I'm using Debian stretch. I would play a 3d shooter game (urbanterror) and after a few weeks of playing on and off, the computer will suddenly reboot halfway in the game. recently, however, the computer has been shutting down completely. is there a way to find out which component is failing? when i try to turn on the computer, it wouldn't even power up. i'll hear the cpu fan go on and then it'll stall. no screen, no keyboard reaction, etc. |
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| 14:25.45 | jelly | [E]sc: can you check temp. sensors on cpu and gpu? |
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| 14:27.47 | [E]sc | jelly, right now it won't even start up. but at the time, the temperatures didn't seem too high. i didn't play the game and was just watching a movie, and it suddenly powered off... |
| 14:29.43 | EdePopede | i tried to turn off a PC running live. the monitor is dying so i couldn't use the usual XFCE clickgame. i was expecting `shutdown` to do it. it beeped, the screen seem to be empty, but the LED near the power button is still on? when i click in the xfce exit dialog it always goes off and i hear some sound, maybe the fan stooping to work or whatever. not so this time. |
| 14:31.12 | Haohmaru | the turning off is familiar |
| 14:31.28 | Haohmaru | that's sorta what happened when my PSU died |
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| 14:31.30 | EdePopede | ok, at least it goes off if a stand on that button long enough. |
| 14:32.09 | Haohmaru | is the PSU powerfull enough for the machine? |
| 14:32.10 | EdePopede | nah, pc is "new". used but bought with guarantee. it is the monitor that's dying. again. |
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| 14:33.45 | jasperarcola | [E]sc : maybe open it and see if any of the capacitors are failing on the motherboard? |
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| 14:34.52 | EdePopede | this one has the same idiocy built in. they call it "soft off" or whatever. and yes, the button on the front doesn't power it OFF at all. that's what the switch on the PSU is for. but still it is idiotic and annoying. especially i can't make this one go "off" when i press that button, no matter what i set in the bios. seems the 4s mentioned there in one setting is always in |
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| 14:35.34 | EdePopede | but still, why does `halt` not turn it off like the coresponding xfce-logout button does? |
| 14:35.54 | EdePopede | err... `shutdown` |
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| 14:40.58 | [E]sc | jasperarcola, at one time i opened the case and removed some of the dust. I was able to power it back up after that. but after about 3-4 days it auto shut off again. how could i check if the capacitors are failing? |
| 14:41.15 | jelly | do any look swollen, or even leaking? |
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| 14:42.06 | jelly | can you replace the power supply temporarily? |
| 14:42.25 | jelly | at this point it's probably better to ask ##hardware people |
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| 14:44.39 | [E]sc | jelly! thanks i did not know they had that channel... me a go try that |
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| 15:11.51 | Old_Dog | comes online somewhat late today |
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| 15:19.43 | expert975 | Could a system be called "Debian" after installing only GNU/Linux, bash and APT? |
| 15:20.42 | jelly | expert975: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
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| 15:21.49 | expert975 | jelly: that's a hypotetical system. Would apt/dpkg create such file? |
| 15:22.19 | expert975 | jelly: I guess it would |
| 15:22.23 | jelly | expert975: installing the base-files package from debian using dpkg would. |
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| 15:22.57 | expert975 | jelly: Good to know |
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| 15:23.54 | jelly | expert975: which source would your hypothetical user use to install such a system? |
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| 15:25.42 | expert975 | jelly: I imagine a good place to get the source code from would be 'apt source' |
| 15:26.05 | jelly | expert975: no, not really |
| 15:26.34 | expert975 | jelly: why not? |
| 15:26.38 | jelly | that implies building binary packages from source |
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| 15:27.31 | expert975 | jelly: I could also get the compiled packages from the Debian repository |
| 15:27.44 | jelly | what's your goal? |
| 15:28.13 | expert975 | jelly: I wish to learn the construction of a Debian system |
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| 15:30.05 | jelly | expert975: a debian installation? You could take a look at debootstrap, it's basically the core of debian installer system |
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| 16:02.22 | noodlepie | apt should be multithreaded like Gentoo Portate/Emerge - on Gentoo is can be building an app from source, and still lets you do other package operations which Debian doesn't permit! |
| 16:02.22 | apt | noodlepie: what are you talking about? |
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| 16:03.10 | apollo13 | what does multithreading have to do with that? |
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| 16:03.39 | expert975 | I think he refers to the dpkg lock |
| 16:03.40 | noodlepie | concurrant operation between different apt instances perhaps? |
| 16:04.01 | apollo13 | noodlepie: yeah, that's better :) |
| 16:04.11 | FinalX | apt show apt | grep Maintainer |
| 16:04.15 | noodlepie | userland multithreaded - not just kernel/cpu multithreading! |
| 16:04.29 | BCMM | i don't think you can do multiple install phases at the same time in gentoo, though |
| 16:04.36 | FinalX | I'm sure they'll respond to well-formed suggestions with as much info as possible as to why it'll help. |
| 16:04.53 | FinalX | I'd go easy on all the ! though! |
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| 16:05.25 | BCMM | and, basically, dpkg *only* has an install phase - there's no slow compile phase to parallelise anyway |
| 16:05.43 | noodlepie | I can run two seperate package builders on Gentoo, a the same time, and it can be building "n" at once - this is good - but I still need binary packages for older machines - so for that I use Debian. |
| 16:05.55 | FinalX | but you're not building with package installs or removals |
| 16:05.59 | BCMM | noodlepie: you can compile more than one debian package at once too |
| 16:05.59 | FinalX | it's not gentoo |
| 16:06.23 | BCMM | you just can't *install* more than one at once (which gentoo won't let you do either) |
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| 16:07.31 | noodlepie | dunno about debian sources pkgs bit apt fails with lock error when I try concurrant running. Gentoo "just works" in this respect - from seperate different instantiations of the pkg manager) |
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| 16:07.55 | FinalX | plus if you're using up all cpu cores or max disk i/o building package A, I'm not sure what building package B simultaneously will get you, apart from both going slower.... yet, you still can build multiple packages at once on Debian as well. |
| 16:08.21 | FinalX | "concurrent running".... ? you're trying to install multiple packages at once? or what? |
| 16:08.23 | BCMM | noodlepie: try install two packages that block each other at once on gentoo... |
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| 16:08.29 | BCMM | ^installing |
| 16:08.49 | FinalX | if you actually describe the issue you're having rather than just ranting, we might actually come up with an answer to help.. if not, then what's the point? |
| 16:09.13 | noodlepie | I can do that with one command of apt, it iterates the list! But from _seperate_ callings of the apt command while one apt deployment is working already - it "file lock" errors |
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| 16:09.48 | noodlepie | I want it just to install the whole lot without my having to wait for each instance of apt to complete - a pain often enough to notice! |
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| 16:10.03 | FinalX | then why don't you specify all at once? |
| 16:10.10 | FinalX | apt install package1 package2 package3 package4.. |
| 16:10.29 | FinalX | you can install an entire system with one command, I fail to see the problem. |
| 16:10.30 | noodlepie | Because I am already running one and want to add more packages to install |
| 16:10.45 | FinalX | you can't install multiple packages at once on gentoo either |
| 16:10.49 | noodlepie | I can quit it, edit the command, and continue but this is a pain when the lock situation should be fixed properlu |
| 16:11.21 | BCMM | install very seldom runs long enough for this to matter. am i right in assuming that the complaint is about download times? |
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| 16:11.51 | noodlepie | FinalX, yes but the waiting and lockfile use if sufficient to all concurrent thread of package control - they probably wait respectfully for file lock and wait on each other, but at least there is no error like with Debian apt |
| 16:12.21 | noodlepie | This is a big win to Gentoo! |
| 16:12.34 | FinalX | why? because you messed up on your initial apt install line? |
| 16:12.57 | FinalX | in gentoo you even have to wait for the building, in debian you don't |
| 16:13.27 | FinalX | it's only lazy mode for messing up on your initial install command.. it's not a big miss tbh |
| 16:13.43 | FinalX | but put it in a mail to the mailinglist of the maintainers of APT, maybe they'll want to implement it in the future |
| 16:13.45 | noodlepie | I have an 8 thread i7 Core2/Xeon laptop - the compile time doesn't really bother me in exchange for full custoisations I like to play with |
| 16:13.52 | BCMM | noodlepie: perhaps you should replace apt with an alias that says something like `until apt ; do sleep 1; done`? |
| 16:14.09 | FinalX | I'd start with describing the "start one install command and then have another wait for the lockfile to be cleared and then continue installing, instead of immediately failing" |
| 16:14.27 | noodlepie | it should just work like Gentoo's tho |
| 16:15.01 | BCMM | you continue to fail to grasp that it's doing a fundamentally different set of tasks from what emerge does |
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| 16:16.45 | FinalX | and the whole reason that there's so many different distributions is because people have different ideologies, views, and wishes |
| 16:17.26 | BCMM | also, last time i checked, parallel emerge doesn't "just work" - it trust *you*, the user, to avoid creating situations that should not exist. apt tries its best not to put the system in a weird state. |
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| 16:17.44 | FinalX | but again, and again, and again: contact the maintainers, there's no point in telling people that the world should adapt to your point of view. talking to the actual developers might help. talking to, not telling them what they need to do to fix your world view. that's counterproductive. |
| 16:18.58 | BCMM | (and if you're not aware of this, you're going to break your gentoo...) |
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| 16:26.18 | BCMM | what's the right way to make nfs start *after* fstab entries are mounted? |
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| 16:26.50 | BCMM | (sorry, should clarify i mean nfs *server*, and local disks that are to be served in fstab) |
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| 16:37.19 | SerajewelKS | BCMM: hmm, seems odd that NFS wouldn't have a mechanism to deal with this itself |
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| 16:38.02 | SerajewelKS | BCMM: i would say that you probably need to get the systemd service to depend on the mount units |
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