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| 00:00.48 | Agent_Isai | dvs: and that's it? |
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| 00:00.53 | karlpinc | Agent_Isai: Or put vnc on the windows side. |
| 00:01.12 | dvs | Agent_Isai: and configure it |
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| 00:02.36 | karlpinc | vostorga: Is a SmartArray Bl40i a hardware raid card? |
| 00:02.49 | Agent_Isai | Well, technically I'd use the VNC from my VPS providers but I can't because I use my phone for RDC. |
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| 00:38.54 | vostorga | karlpinc: yes, It is an hp hardware raid that comes with the server |
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| 00:58.58 | maazu | bye all |
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| 01:03.16 | karlpinc | vostorga: Well, I don't know anything about that particular hardware but I'd expect it to present an interface to the os that looks like any other controller, making many disks look like one or whatever raid you happen to configure. That's if it's real hardware raid and not fakeraid. |
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| 01:05.04 | karlpinc | vostorga: If it is real hardware raid I always prefer to have a 2nd, identical, controller handy in case the first breaks or else you can wind up loosing all your data. Generally, I don't have spare hardware so use software raid. That way I don't have to mess with learning another wacky interface specific to that piece of hardware too. |
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| 01:06.18 | vostorga | karlpinc: basically, the problem is getting the storage controller driver in installation time. |
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| 01:08.09 | karlpinc | vostorga: Does it need proprietary firmware or is something else making it not work? |
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| 01:09.37 | vostorga | karlpinc: propietary, hp provided one for ubuntu but I don't think it is going to work |
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| 01:10.16 | karlpinc | vostorga: A driver or firmware? |
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| 01:11.09 | Akuw | how to control wifi from config file, not using lxde |
| 01:11.11 | Akuw | ? |
| 01:11.19 | karlpinc | vostorga: Maybe it's fakeraid, in which case you may as well use the tried and tested software raid built into linux. |
| 01:12.26 | karlpinc | Akuw: This might help: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 01:12.55 | karlpinc | Akuw: I seem to remember using a wpasupplicant package and editing a config file. Could be wrong. |
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| 01:14.09 | karlpinc | vostorga: Yes, it's fakeraid. |
| 01:14.12 | Akuw | actually my connection go connected and disconnected again and again |
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| 01:15.25 | karlpinc | vostorga: You won't get any benefit from using the HP driver, and will have to mess with using obscure and unnecessary software. |
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| 01:15.47 | Akuw | is there any channel about wifi? |
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| 01:15.53 | karlpinc | Akuw: Looking in the logs is always a good idea. |
| 01:18.08 | karlpinc | vostorga: It seems HP has it's own "SmartArray disk format". The only reason why you'd want to use their driver is if you wanted to mantain compatibility with this format, the alternative being compatible with any system running Linux. |
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| 01:44.23 | klys | http://pastebin.com/d4r4MP8P |
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| 01:46.30 | shay_shay | Akuw: wpa_supplicant |
| 01:46.51 | Akuw | shay_shay: thank man, i did it |
| 01:47.03 | dvs | ??? |
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| 01:47.17 | dvs | must be missing something |
| 01:47.37 | klys | eh, dvs? |
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| 01:48.16 | dvs | wpa_supplicant is a channel? |
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| 01:48.32 | klys | no, it's a package, he must have set it up |
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| 01:56.50 | atari_ | Is there an elementary way to get the product formula for the sine function without usingt the weierstrass factorization theorem |
| 01:57.29 | vostorga | dafaq |
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| 01:58.17 | atari_ | \wrong chanel sory |
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| 01:58.58 | abrotman | atari_: 42 |
| 01:59.06 | atari_ | what? |
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| 01:59.17 | dvs | 42 purple |
| 01:59.20 | atari_ | oh i get it |
| 01:59.33 | atari_ | hitch hikers guide to the galaxy |
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| 02:22.30 | k0deZ3r0 | hi, I am trying to install firmware-iwlwifi on testing-updates (jessie), but getting the E: Package 'firmware-iwlwifi' has no installation candidate |
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| 02:27.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell k0deZ3r0 about non-free |
| 02:27.44 | k0deZ3r0 | abrotman: tried that |
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| 02:28.17 | abrotman | k0deZ3r0: and then ran apt-get update? |
| 02:28.29 | k0deZ3r0 | yes |
| 02:28.38 | k0deZ3r0 | done all the basic stuff |
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| 02:28.59 | abrotman | k0deZ3r0: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 02:30.48 | k0deZ3r0 | pastebin.com/kAnN12yF |
| 02:31.01 | themill | dpkg: tell k0deZ3r0 about pastebin.com |
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| 02:34.02 | k0deZ3r0 | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b5550b4c/ |
| 02:36.52 | themill | k0deZ3r0: you need to add non-free (and may as well add contrib too) to your sources.list lines, just as dpkg said |
| 02:37.28 | k0deZ3r0 | it's already there? |
| 02:37.31 | k0deZ3r0 | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing-updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:37.48 | k0deZ3r0 | see my paste above |
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| 02:38.10 | dvs | k0deZ3r0: only on one line |
| 02:38.29 | shay_shay | k0deZ3r0: you're supposed to at least put it on the first line |
| 02:38.43 | shay_shay | But put it in all of them |
| 02:39.12 | dvs | k0deZ3r0: and lines 8 and 9 are pretty much the same thing |
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| 02:40.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell k0deZ3r0 about jessie sources.list |
| 02:41.08 | k0deZ3r0 | ok |
| 02:41.18 | k0deZ3r0 | got it working, thanks. |
| 02:41.48 | themill | k0deZ3r0: you probably also want "jessie" not "testing" |
| 02:42.03 | dvs | unless you want stretch next week |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | watches explosions |
| 02:42.31 | themill | well if you don't know how to do that yourself, you definitely don't want stretch next week |
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| 02:44.54 | k0deZ3r0 | do what myself/ |
| 02:44.55 | k0deZ3r0 | ? |
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| 02:47.35 | shay_shay | Do configure your sources.list |
| 02:48.00 | dvs | k0deZ3r0: If you couldn't update the sources.list on your own, you definitely want to change it before next week comes. |
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| 03:30.50 | NotJimCarrey | anyone know how to use screen with curses nethack? tried and all the characters are messed up |
| 03:31.22 | themill | NotJimCarrey: ssh connection? tty? xterm? |
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| 03:32.31 | NotJimCarrey | themill: putty, but it's fine without screen |
| 03:33.01 | themill | !putty linedraw |
| 03:33.01 | dpkg | Make sure you have a UTF-8 encoding specified for your locale, and Window/Translation->"Received data assumed to be" = UTF-8; "Handle line draw" = "Use unicode"; Window/Appearance/Font must be a good unicode font. See http://web.archive.org/web/20080518125452/http://wp.sieker.info/ascii-line-drawing-in-putty or ask me about <locales>. |
| 03:33.48 | NotJimCarrey | themill: i have the putty profile set right for curses, and it works like it's suppose to unless I use screen |
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| 03:35.45 | themill | is LC_CTYPE incorrectly set inside screen? |
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| 03:36.25 | NotJimCarrey | i have no idea |
| 03:36.26 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 03:37.32 | themill | compare the output of "locale" |
| 03:39.10 | NotJimCarrey | both show en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 03:46.26 | stoopkid_ | hi i just installed the latest version of debian for amd64 and i'm having a weird screen glitch |
| 03:46.42 | NotJimCarrey | here's a side-by-side screenshot of with and without screen |
| 03:46.43 | NotJimCarrey | http://i.imgur.com/JrI9M7B.png |
| 03:47.00 | stoopkid_ | lines across the screen and stuff (but only in application windows, other than that the desktop UI appears to work fine) |
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| 03:50.04 | shay_shay | NotJimCarrey: thats something that happens with putty i dont know why |
| 03:51.04 | shay_shay | putty -> config -> window -> translation choose utf in "Recieved data in ..." |
| 03:51.07 | shay_shay | from google^ |
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| 03:51.26 | shay_shay | you need to enable utf in putty |
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| 03:53.41 | NotJimCarrey | shay_shay: already was |
| 03:53.42 | shay_shay | i dont know why i didnt scroll up... |
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| 03:53.58 | NotJimCarrey | could be putty and screen just hate each other |
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| 03:55.53 | shay_shay | NotJimCarrey: what is the value in your LC_ALL variable |
| 03:56.25 | NotJimCarrey | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:57.24 | NotJimCarrey | oops |
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| 03:57.28 | NotJimCarrey | that one's blank |
| 03:57.50 | shay_shay | try setting it to what the others are set as |
| 03:58.04 | shay_shay | you can see the others with the "locale" command |
| 03:58.10 | NotJimCarrey | geez, it works now, and i have no idea what changed |
| 03:58.17 | shay_shay | haha |
| 03:58.18 | NotJimCarrey | just relogged in, and it works |
| 03:58.42 | shay_shay | maybe it always worked, group hallucination |
| 03:58.59 | shay_shay | either that or you just found that comparison on google images search |
| 03:59.03 | NotJimCarrey | think i'll go with that explanation |
| 03:59.04 | shay_shay | ;) |
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| 03:59.35 | NotJimCarrey | and the comparison was my upload :p |
| 03:59.36 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 04:00.12 | kevin3030 | Hey guys, I just installed jessie on this laptop but my touchpad isn't working. The grep command isn't producing any outputs from /proc/bus/input/devices, and when I look in there there's no touchpad looking device there |
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| 04:00.54 | kevin3030 | could anyone help me out? |
| 04:01.43 | NotJimCarrey | not sure if getting it to work was helpful, random character generation is gonna be fun |
| 04:01.47 | NotJimCarrey | "NotJimCarrey enters the dungeon as a chaotic female vampiric Rogue" |
| 04:04.27 | kevin3030 | is anyone able to help me with my touchpad not working? |
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| 04:06.42 | NotJimCarrey | kevin3030: which laptop? which touchpad? |
| 04:07.18 | kevin3030 | acer aspire E15 512 |
| 04:07.41 | kevin3030 | NotJimCarrey I'm assuming a synaptics touchpad? |
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| 04:08.43 | NotJimCarrey | kevin3030: try pressing Fn+F7 |
| 04:08.49 | FranzKafka | Is there any way to install linux-headers without apt-get / aptitude, since both of those are steaming piles of crap? |
| 04:09.13 | kevin3030 | NotJimCarrey: tried that one already, and every other f key =P |
| 04:09.21 | NotJimCarrey | had to ask |
| 04:09.21 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 04:09.23 | buu | FranzKafka: they both use dpkg, so.. |
| 04:09.36 | buu | FranzKafka: Just do everything apt-get would do by hand |
| 04:09.37 | buu | ez |
| 04:09.45 | shay_shay | xD |
| 04:09.55 | FranzKafka | Man, I don't understand why Debian's package management sucks so bad. |
| 04:10.05 | buu | Because god is punishing you |
| 04:10.05 | FranzKafka | I don't run into these issues in RHEL ever. |
| 04:10.14 | kevin3030 | NotJimCarrey: I saw something about the touchpad requiring UEFI boot for windows? Would that apply to linux? |
| 04:10.16 | shay_shay | its really awesome, you're high |
| 04:10.20 | FranzKafka | Constantly dealing with unmet dependencies. |
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| 04:10.28 | buu | Sounds like user error |
| 04:10.36 | themill | FranzKafka: there are no unmet dependencies in debian stable or testing. |
| 04:10.44 | themill | (or oldstable, of course) |
| 04:10.45 | FranzKafka | BS, Debian could really learn a thing or two from RHEL. |
| 04:10.53 | FranzKafka | I'm using Wheezy, not unstable. |
| 04:10.58 | shay_shay | FranzKafka: you broke it. |
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| 04:11.04 | themill | There are no unmet dependencies in wheezy. |
| 04:11.11 | FranzKafka | linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 : Depends: linux-kbuild-3.2 which is a virtual package. |
| 04:11.23 | themill | This is quite easily provable and is done so prior to release and at every update. |
| 04:11.37 | FranzKafka | I've been using RHEL for years and never, ever do I have to deal with yum how I have to deal with apt. |
| 04:11.46 | FranzKafka | It's a steaming pile of shit compared to yum, seriously. |
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| 04:12.07 | themill | FranzKafka: let me know when you actually want help |
| 04:12.39 | kevin3030 | NotJimCarrey: It's not listed at all in /proc/bus/input/devices either |
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| 04:13.42 | buu | Amusingly I have both of those packages installed right now! |
| 04:13.45 | aspect | themill, thanks - I was starting to think trolling is encouraged here :) |
| 04:13.46 | buu | I must be magic. |
| 04:14.31 | aspect | fwiw, I'm running a frankendebian on this box which I've screwed so badly I just hope I don't need to do anything serious with packages before I reinstall it :( |
| 04:15.52 | kevin3030 | anyone else have any ideas why my touchpad isn't working or recognized at all? |
| 04:16.18 | NotJimCarrey | kevin3030: 'uname -r' output? |
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| 04:16.52 | shay_shay | aspect: if its *that bad* you can always manually install software to /usr/local if you want to put off reinstalling for a while |
| 04:17.02 | shay_shay | in a pinch |
| 04:17.05 | kevin3030 | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 04:19.12 | aspect | sure, but making things worse before they get better isn't my idea of fun times :) |
| 04:19.18 | kevin3030 | NotJimCarrey: I'll be back in a sec, going to try changing a setting in the bios |
| 04:19.19 | aspect | (also: build deps) |
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| 04:23.09 | kevin3030_ | NotJimCarrey: got it figured out =] |
| 04:23.15 | NotJimCarrey | ? |
| 04:23.45 | kevin3030_ | had to change bios setting for the touchpad from advanced to basic |
| 04:24.05 | kevin3030_ | and it's all good now |
| 04:24.24 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 04:24.28 | NotJimCarrey | stupid bios |
| 04:24.32 | kevin3030_ | yup |
| 04:25.45 | kevin3030_ | i was looking at a guide "things to do after installing jessie" do I need cpu firmware/graphics drivers? |
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| 05:14.49 | shay_shay | aspect that won't make things worse |
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| 05:18.13 | aspect | in this context I measure "worse" in terms of my environment being reproducible and easily maintainable |
| 05:19.15 | shay_shay | If your package maintainer is broken then you have no choice. Its still moving forward as opposed to standing still |
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| 05:25.40 | aspect | "moving forward"? |
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| 05:27.01 | pingfloyd | if it's borked, reinstall, it will be better this time |
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| 05:41.52 | madhadron | Does anyone know why dpkg -b would generate packages with different hashes when run in the same files? |
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| 05:42.50 | themill | timestamps |
| 05:43.36 | madhadron | Hmm. So you really can't produce a repeatable build? |
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| 05:45.54 | themill | madhadron: depends at what level you want the reproducibility -- there's a combination of tools out there to improve the build process itself and also to whitelist noise that you should ignore when comparing builds. https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/ |
| 05:46.16 | madhadron | Thanks, I'll go read |
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| 05:46.49 | themill | madhadron: with the special reproducible toolchain, about 80% of packages are reproducible. The remainder are going to be very hard to attack because you've got to start changing the way pdflatex embeds fonts etc. |
| 05:47.14 | madhadron | Lovely. Fortunately, my case should be simple. |
| 05:47.29 | stoopkid | hi, i'm fairly new to linux, how do i use the dpkg program to instsall a package? do i need to download the .deb file first? |
| 05:48.07 | themill | madhadron: The whole reproducible effort is pretty recent though -- lots of standard bits of the toolchain just love sticking timestamps, PIDs, usernames, build-directories etc into the output. |
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| 05:48.43 | madhadron | themill, Hrm. It makes pushing packages to reprepro pretty monstrous. |
| 05:48.50 | themill | why? |
| 05:49.50 | madhadron | Because if you try to push the same package again, it throws errors about different hashes instead of just saying, "Yup. It's the same." |
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| 05:52.03 | themill | madhadron: why would you push the same package twice? |
| 05:52.23 | madhadron | themill, Because it's a random build server for my coworkers |
| 05:52.49 | madhadron | Not connected to the primary Debian archives at all |
| 05:53.58 | themill | I would suggest either (a) fixing the build server to only build a package when it needs to or (b) having monotonically increasing version numbers for each build. If you maintain a 1:1 mapping of (version, contents), all the tools will be happy. |
| 05:54.17 | themill | Note that apt is not particularly happy about having version strings reused either. |
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| 05:55.23 | madhadron | dpkg -b is actually the element introducing the variation |
| 05:55.23 | dpkg | madhadron: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:55.31 | madhadron | Whoops |
| 05:55.48 | themill | why are you running dpkg -b twice on the same contents? |
| 05:56.16 | madhadron | Because it's being kicked off manually right now |
| 05:56.20 | themill | (there's no point -- if it's unchanged, don't do the build; if it is changed, give it a new version string) |
| 05:56.48 | madhadron | Yes, that's true. |
| 05:56.58 | madhadron | And it's going to force me to go fix deeper issues in our build system. |
| 05:57.06 | themill | You'll need a new version string for successive builds anyway |
| 05:57.09 | themill | boo :( |
| 05:57.24 | themill | dch is a handy tool for setting version numbers bts |
| 05:57.25 | themill | btw |
| 05:57.30 | anddam | is there a project like playdeb.net aimed at debian rather than ubuntu? I got tricked by the "deb" in the domain |
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| 05:57.56 | anddam | themill: dch == ? |
| 05:58.06 | themill | !dch |
| 05:58.06 | dpkg | hmm... dch is a tool from the <desvripts> package that is used to manipulate changelog entries in Debian source packages. It helps get the formatting right in the changelog entry and opens the changelog in your chosen editor. dch can set versions, target releases, add template information for closing bugs, etc. It's also known as "debchange". |
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| 05:58.23 | madhadron | That's handy |
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| 05:59.23 | themill | madhadron: although for your case, it might be easier to (echo "custom header with new version number"; cat changelog.in > changelog |
| 05:59.37 | themill | err... ) > |
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| 05:59.54 | madhadron | *nods* |
| 05:59.59 | madhadron | Oh, wait. IRC |
| 06:00.04 | madhadron | nods |
| 06:00.08 | themill | heh |
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| 06:00.42 | madhadron | Okay, I can see a hack to get this going for now. |
| 06:00.44 | madhadron | Thanks |
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| 06:01.40 | themill | np |
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| 06:06.24 | debiman | Why when I go to grab apt-get source linux-image-specific-version, it says 'picking linux as source package instead' and grabs a different version? |
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| 06:08.38 | themill | which "specific version" is this? Can you pastebin the full output and the output of "apt-cache policy thatpackage; apt-cache showsrc thatpacakge" and your sources.list? |
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| 06:15.16 | debiman | the output from showsrc is crazy long |
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| 06:15.28 | debiman | so... any way to specify what kernel version you want? |
| 06:16.14 | debiman | like a `yum install kernel-<version_here>` |
| 06:16.40 | debiman | something as simple as saying `apt-get source linux-image-<version_here>` that actually listens to the user? |
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| 06:17.53 | debiman | Any flag that tells apt-get to actually do what I am saying, rather than whatever it thinks I must want? |
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| 06:18.06 | debiman | themill: ?? |
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| 06:20.57 | debiman | here's the output: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FtsbcVqc |
| 06:21.05 | debiman | showsrc is just too much |
| 06:21.16 | debiman | themill: are you still around? |
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| 06:21.28 | debiman | :/ |
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| 06:23.00 | themill | debiman: and your sources.list? |
| 06:23.33 | debiman | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 06:23.40 | debiman | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 06:23.42 | themill | that the candidate version doesn't match the installed version doesn't help here |
| 06:23.44 | debiman | only two lines in there |
| 06:24.15 | themill | ok -- you should have security.debian.org in there and you really should use "wheezy" not "stable" |
| 06:24.54 | themill | You still didn't tell me precisely what command you used either |
| 06:25.05 | debiman | I don't do updates |
| 06:25.24 | debiman | apt-get source linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 06:25.27 | debiman | that's the command |
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| 06:27.09 | themill | the kernel you've got installed is not referenced from your sources.list so apt cannot go and fetch that package source |
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| 06:27.15 | debiman | I'm looking for something like `yum download/install kernel-<version>` where I can just specify the version |
| 06:27.30 | debiman | why does it show in apt-cache search linux-image? |
| 06:27.40 | debiman | if I cannot get it |
| 06:27.48 | themill | it is showing a different version |
| 06:28.10 | debiman | it is showing the version I am trying to get with my `apt-get source` command |
| 06:28.34 | debiman | anyway, is there any equivalent to yum's install kernel-<version> where I can just specify the version and it grabs it? |
| 06:28.35 | themill | it is not |
| 06:28.58 | themill | fix your sources.list and it is easy. |
| 06:29.20 | debiman | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ztjgHqxP |
| 06:29.35 | debiman | I added security, changed to wheezy, did a apt-get update, and still the same thing. |
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| 06:30.27 | themill | debiman: full output please. Stop being so difficult to help. |
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| 06:30.37 | debiman | full output of what? |
| 06:30.44 | debiman | I've given you full output |
| 06:30.51 | themill | "it did the same thing" |
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| 06:32.00 | themill | you've also got random packages from jessie installed on that machine. That's never going to work out well |
| 06:32.09 | debiman | lol |
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| 06:32.21 | debiman | pretty much a fresh install and I have random packages from jessie somehow |
| 06:32.31 | themill | Not though debian's doing. |
| 06:32.36 | themill | At least now we know why you think package management is hard. |
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| 06:33.01 | debiman | any way to specify a version like you can do with yum? |
| 06:33.09 | rainfyre | package management is one of debian's beauties |
| 06:33.21 | themill | are you going to show me the output from apt-get source or not? |
| 06:33.54 | themill | and jtfr yum can't download packages it doesn't know about because you've misconfigured it either |
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| 06:34.46 | debiman | http://pastebin.com/DWCxwDkr |
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| 06:35.21 | debiman | I'm not exactly sure how one misconfigures yum, with all the plugins and everything, it's really very, very difficult to mess up |
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| 06:36.12 | themill | if you delete all references to the remote repositories, it can't do much. |
| 06:36.20 | themill | and that's *still* not the output from apt-get source... |
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| 06:36.32 | shay_shay | FranzKafka... I mean debiman |
| 06:36.32 | debiman | http://pastebin.com/uQfumvZ8 |
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| 06:37.14 | debiman | What I find most humorous here is this line: Picking 'linux' as source package instead of 'linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64' |
| 06:37.16 | ruben23 | ny one can help on how tto mount this external drive i just connect to my linux server somehow ---> http://pastebin.com/XLRA1Qux |
| 06:37.24 | debiman | Why thank you for not doing what I've asked. |
| 06:37.31 | ruben23 | particular debian server |
| 06:37.35 | themill | debiman: there is absolutely nothing wrong with that output |
| 06:37.49 | themill | it's all doing exactly as it should. Perhaps you should rant less and read more? |
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| 06:38.12 | debiman | man, I miss yum, pacman, etc |
| 06:38.17 | debiman | emerge |
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| 06:38.18 | debiman | heh |
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| 06:38.35 | debiman | ufs without write support for a kernel module |
| 06:38.36 | debiman | lol |
| 06:38.40 | themill | No, you miss reading... seriously. There's nothing specific to debian about one source package producing several different binary packages. |
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| 06:38.56 | debiman | It's no wonder all shit distros are based on Debian |
| 06:39.00 | debiman | Ubuntu, Mint... |
| 06:39.02 | zefyr | lord |
| 06:39.03 | debiman | the list goes on |
| 06:39.05 | themill | ahh good back there again |
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| 06:39.19 | themill | debiman: You've had your question answered. Have fun. |
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| 07:06.56 | jelly | rainfyre: what does "mdadm --examine --scan -v" say? |
| 07:07.00 | jelly | argh |
| 07:07.13 | jelly | ruben23: what does "mdadm --examine --scan -v" say? |
| 07:08.03 | jelly | ruben23: the "fd" partition type suggests those might have been used as md raid members |
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| 07:09.41 | ruben23 | jelly: this is the output----> http://pastebin.com/5P1zZSKK |
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| 07:13.10 | ruben23 | jelly: still there..??? |
| 07:13.14 | jelly | ruben23: so you seem to have (older) copies of the very same md raid on sdc partitions as the ones present on sda and sdb? Was this disk previously pulled from the very same machine? |
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| 07:15.48 | jelly | ruben23: add another -v to that command. (Also if you can, please use paste.debian.net or any pastebin other than the ad-laden pastebin.com) |
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| 07:16.13 | Mirc-user | 8U2RH7 FREE HACKED PC GAMES http://tinyurl.com/l7ycbh9 |
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| 07:17.29 | swift110-phone | Ok, |
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| 07:18.35 | jelly | ruben23: also "cat /proc/mdstat" |
| 07:18.39 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:18.48 | ruben23 | yes i will pastebin on the site you suggest |
| 07:18.53 | jelly | ruben23: "mdadm --examine --scan -v -v" |
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| 07:19.44 | jasabella | hi! |
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| 07:21.00 | ruben23 | jelly: here is it -----> http://paste.debian.net/167944/ |
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| 07:22.51 | jasabella | is switching over to testing supposed to 'break' live usb sticks? |
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| 07:25.07 | jelly | ruben23: and /proc/mdstat? |
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| 07:25.54 | jelly | jasabella: live images are not really supposed to have zillions of updates put on top of them |
| 07:26.13 | ruben23 | jelly : cat..? |
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| 07:26.18 | jelly | ruben23: yes |
| 07:26.23 | ruben23 | ok |
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| 07:26.59 | ruben23 | http://paste.debian.net/167945/ |
| 07:27.27 | arcsky | hi have i have made some chmod changes on my home dirs (chmod -R 700 /home/*. these are now fucked up, how can i switch back to default? |
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| 07:27.54 | GunnerWolf-Phone | jelly: does that also include full os if installed from a live image? |
| 07:28.00 | jelly | ruben23: oh good, I was afraid kernel added them as active spares. |
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| 07:29.36 | jelly | GunnerWolf-Phone: no, an actual installation does not have persistency / overlay kludges like live image does |
| 07:29.54 | stoopkid | hi, so if i'm trying to install this package using aptitude: https://packages.debian.org/stable/haskell/haskell-platform |
| 07:30.20 | stoopkid | i need to add the source repository to sources.list and then do aptitude update? |
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| 07:30.32 | jelly | ruben23: since it's metadata 0.9 format, if it's for temporary use you should be able to just mount /dev/sdc3 manually |
| 07:31.23 | ruben23 | jelly: please how to do the command |
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| 07:32.44 | jasabella | jelly... doh :) |
| 07:32.45 | jelly | ruben23: do you need just to take some data off? it would be best to wipe mdadm metadata off /dev/sdc[123] afterwards to avoid confusing the kernel if sda or sdb dies later |
| 07:33.44 | themill | stoopkid: which release of debian are you running? |
| 07:34.02 | ruben23 | i just need to check whats the content of that drive |
| 07:34.08 | jelly | ruben23: as for mount, it's the usual syntax. You could mount it read-only, something like "mount -o ro /dev/sdc2 /mnt" |
| 07:34.22 | stoopkid | themill, wheezy |
| 07:34.33 | GunnerWolf-Phone | So, I've heard debian "sid" mentioned a couple of times recently, is this the next planned version after Jessie? |
| 07:34.36 | ruben23 | read only..? but i need to copy a file somehow |
| 07:34.55 | jelly | ruben23: you can copy from a read-only filesystem. |
| 07:35.05 | themill | stoopkid: you should already have that in your sources.list and you should just be able to install the package with apt-get or aptitude as normal |
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| 07:35.41 | themill | GunnerWolf-Phone: no, sid is always unstable, the development staging-ground. The following release will be 'stretch' |
| 07:35.52 | jelly | ruben23: sorry? |
| 07:36.14 | GunnerWolf-Phone | Ah okay, so sid is sort of like the nightly build of debian? |
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| 07:36.22 | jelly | ruben23: hm, are you saying you don't know how to browse a filesystem and copy files around? |
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| 07:37.06 | ruben23 | oh ok got it already |
| 07:37.10 | ruben23 | let me try now |
| 07:38.23 | ruben23 | [root@localhost mnt]# mount -o ro /dev/sdc2 /mnt/xdrive ---> mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 07:38.36 | ruben23 | jelly: thats the result |
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| 07:40.22 | jelly | ruben23: presumably it's the same filesystem type as on /dev/md1, since it looks like and older copy of that. Run just "mount" or "blkid" to find out the fs type |
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| 07:41.36 | jelly | ruben23: if it's eg. "ext4", add -t ext4 to the mount command. mount -t ext4 -o ro /dev/sdc2 /mnt/xdrive |
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| 07:42.40 | ruben23 | jelly: ---> http://paste.debian.net/167948/ |
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| 07:43.32 | ruben23 | http://paste.debian.net/167949/ |
| 07:43.38 | ruben23 | cant see the sdc2 |
| 07:43.42 | jelly | ruben23: it seems the filesystem on /dev/md1 is type "ext3" |
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| 07:50.02 | ruben23 | jelly: ok so ill proceed with ext3 then |
| 07:50.07 | ruben23 | let me try that now |
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| 07:53.27 | stoopkid | themill, there doesn't seem to be a record for packages.debian.org, only for the install CD, security.debian.org, and ftp.debian.org (commented out), i uncommented ftp.debian.org and added packages.debian.org and it found some new packages but not the haskell packages i was looking for |
| 07:53.52 | ruben23 | jelly ------> http://paste.debian.net/167950/ |
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| 07:54.23 | themill | stoopkid: perhaps you could pastebin your sources.list |
| 07:54.57 | jelly | ruben23: that's weird. |
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| 07:55.36 | jelly | ruben23: was this disk previously used in the same machine or not? |
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| 07:59.24 | stoopkid | themill, http://pastebin.com/zTsSeSUn |
| 07:59.29 | jelly | ruben23: because it _looks_ like it used to be a part of the current md arrays active on sda and sdb, except there's no filesystem to match. If you plugged it in from someplace else, it's possible some script or person has overwritten the old partition table and made it match the active array. If that guess is right, you'll have to detect old partitions, and there probably will be some data loss |
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| 08:00.15 | themill | dpkg: tell stoopkid about wheezy sources.list |
| 08:01.21 | stoopkid | themill, thank you :D |
| 08:01.27 | stoopkid | i will see if this works |
| 08:01.49 | jelly | ruben23: as things look now, there is no easy way to mount the filesystem, or confirm whether there -is- a filesystem on it at all |
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| 08:03.10 | ruben23 | jelly - understood |
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| 08:03.38 | ruben23 | the disk was not previously used by the machine |
| 08:03.41 | ruben23 | this is a new machine |
| 08:03.54 | jelly | ruben23: might help if you explained exactly what you did with that disk. Which debian release is this? Which OS was the disk pulled from? |
| 08:04.42 | jelly | ruben23: do you have any provisioning scripts in place that might have written on that disk when you plugged it in? |
| 08:05.07 | stoopkid | themill, there we go, that did it, thank you |
| 08:05.54 | themill | np |
| 08:06.15 | jelly | ruben23: it has _exactly_ the same partition table and md raid signatures as sda and sdb, that's pretty suspicious if it had never been used in this system |
| 08:06.48 | ruben23 | ok can we remove the dmraid..? |
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| 08:08.01 | swift110-phone | Hbh |
| 08:08.07 | julius__ | hi |
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| 08:08.34 | julius__ | is it possible to create a filesystem container with dd on a ntfs file system like this? dd if=/dev/zero of=~/theFile.img bs=1M count=10240 i want a ext4 filesystem inside |
| 08:08.42 | julius__ | never done this on a nfts filesystem |
| 08:09.04 | jelly | ruben23: that means writing some _more_ to the disk, I would avoid doing that at this point. First make a copy of the whole disk if possible. Next, use something like "gpart" and see if it can detect any previous partition table and filesystems. |
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| 08:09.47 | jelly | ruben23: which debian release is this? How did you install it? |
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| 08:13.23 | jelly | julius__: sure, why not. Files of 10GiB size are allowed on ntfs |
| 08:13.43 | julius__ | hey jelly, how are you? |
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| 08:13.51 | julius__ | just asking because of the underlying nfts |
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| 08:14.10 | julius__ | what was the max size in nfts? |
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| 08:14.24 | jelly | wikipedia probably knows |
| 08:14.27 | ruben23 | jelly: ok i will check |
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| 08:15.31 | julius__ | jelly, 16tb or eb....so no worries |
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| 08:16.23 | jelly | ruben23: basically, if I have to guess from mdadm --examine output, something wrote on your sdc disk 5 hours ago, made partitions and maybe tried to add it to the current md raid1 array. Previous contents might not be easy to get to. |
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| 08:17.33 | jelly | ruben23: either that, or you people use exactly the same md raid array signatures on every machine, which is also not a good idea |
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| 08:23.20 | loverdrive | Hi. I'm configuring postfix, in order to have mail mark as spam, moved to the SPAM directory. It works, but postfix write this spam mail as root owner, so dovecot can't read that message... and i can't see it in the client mail |
| 08:24.02 | loverdrive | So, have you any idea how set postfix in order to write file as user's owner, and not root? |
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| 08:24.30 | kalin00b | I'm trying to make my own .deb's, I got a long list of instructions for it but when I extract my .deb metapackages theres nothing that's supposed to be in there |
| 08:24.33 | kalin00b | just doc |
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| 08:24.43 | kalin00b | i feel like im missing some piece here |
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| 08:25.42 | GunnerWolf | So, this may sound like something only a madman would ask, but is there any way to install Internet Explorer on Debian? |
| 08:26.32 | kalin00b | also not all of my installed packages are in here |
| 08:26.34 | shingouz | GunnerWolf: maybe with wine. i have no idea why you would like to install Internyet Exploder on debian, though |
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| 08:26.46 | kalin00b | .debs are in /var/cache/apt/archives aren't they? |
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| 08:28.00 | themill | kalin00b: metapackages don't contain anything other than documentation |
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| 08:28.46 | kalin00b | thats what i was told to edit -_- |
| 08:29.06 | kalin00b | to give myself cutting edge impacket |
| 08:29.27 | kalin00b | gah i wish that guy was still online |
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| 08:30.09 | GunnerWolf | shingouz: I need IE because I'm a web dev and unfortunately most of my clients tend to serve the demographic of people who don't know how to use a computer properly, and thus still probably use IE, so as much as I hate it, I have to make sure the websites support it. |
| 08:30.44 | shingouz | GunnerWolf: try with wine, maybe it works (for some values of work) |
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| 08:30.54 | daniel-s | Hi |
| 08:31.00 | GunnerWolf | alright I'll try that, thanks. |
| 08:31.16 | daniel-s | Is there a filesystem that has the feature that if two files somewhere are identical only one copy of the file will exist on the hard drive? |
| 08:32.12 | GunnerWolf | daniel-s: so the other one would just be a pointer to the first one? |
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| 08:32.55 | jetscreamer | but automagical i think |
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| 08:33.22 | GunnerWolf | I'm not the most knowledgable on the matter, but I'd say that something like that would probably waste more in system resources having to check every single file for identical duplicates than it would save in hard drive space |
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| 08:36.16 | GunnerWolf | So uh.. just to make sure I'm doing this right, and not making a noob mistake or something, installing a .deb file is as easy as doing "sudo dpkg -i file.deb" right? |
| 08:36.42 | themill | dpkg: tell kalin00b about nmg |
| 08:36.56 | daniel-s | GunnerWolf: Yes, using pointers to save disk space. |
| 08:37.02 | shingouz | GunnerWolf: apt-get install wine should do it |
| 08:37.33 | GunnerWolf | I wasn't actually referring to wine, I was installing chrome, and it worked, so I guess I did it right |
| 08:37.57 | kalin00b | thank you dpkg :P |
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| 08:38.11 | kalin00b | or guy who sent dpkg to me |
| 08:38.12 | kalin00b | xD |
| 08:38.30 | shingouz | GunnerWolf: that is the way it works. better to use the debian repos for the installs, though. third party packages might have some seriously screwy things in them |
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| 08:39.14 | GunnerWolf | well this one definately has "seriously screwY" things in it: chrome! |
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| 09:17.49 | blackflow | Hi guys. I have a sw raid-10 (via mdadm) and two disks are failing. Is there a way to check which two in the mirror are these, as in whether the two are the pair that _can_ fail (ie. the mirrored pair)? |
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| 09:19.04 | blackflow | according to mdadm --detail of md devices, the failing disks are part of the same set, set-B |
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| 09:22.46 | mallxs | Can i somewhere force Nautilus to skip the caching and force reread the directory contents, as with mounted volumes i have to F5 to update it |
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| 09:29.42 | carp | Hi, Im trying to get my wifi card working on my fresh debian install. (new user). The card is Marvell Libertas 88W8335 chipset [11ab:1faa] and according to this page it requires ndiswrapper https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi I have tried installing firmware-libertas and firmware-linux-nonfree. I look for the ndiswrapper driver but it is not in the lists and its not even at the official website... |
| 09:30.08 | jelly | blackflow: ask in #linux-raid channel if you don't get an answer here |
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| 09:31.07 | blackflow | jelly: thanks for the advice |
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| 09:32.08 | carp | However, this site looks like it might be the right one http://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=522863 I am at this stage now. I want to download it and unzip it following the guide on the page I linked earlier https://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper I am not confident to tailor the example to my specific. I havent downloaded anything without the package manager yet so I am being careful. |
| 09:34.30 | mallxs | blackflow: did you do a "cat /proc/mdstat: |
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| 09:36.02 | blackflow | mallxs: does that show which disks are part of the mirrored pair? |
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| 09:36.41 | carp | Ive already installed ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 and wireless-tools and done echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules |
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| 09:39.06 | mallxs | blackflow: yes but as you state it with "can" fail ... sorry but they all can faii; i other words the question is do you have enough healthy disk to replace the bad ones |
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| 09:40.47 | svetlana | i run 'mail' command to send mail but no mail is delivered; /var/log/mail* files are empty; how do i troubleshoot? |
| 09:40.47 | blackflow | mallxs: this is raid-10, any ONE disk can fail, but not any TWO disks. |
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| 09:41.14 | [WoD]no_maam | Hi |
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| 09:42.20 | [WoD]no_maam | I have a small problem on my debian unstable. I am running debian with a gnome desktop, and there seems to be something on my system that automatically updates the package list and downloads new packages in the backgroup. I would really like to disable that, but I don't know which part of the system is doing that. |
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| 09:44.02 | carp | (forgot to say, i am 32 bit and wheezy) |
| 09:44.25 | GunnerWolf | Why do skype seem to think that they can take an i386 .deb package and call it multiarch? |
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| 09:45.47 | SynrGy | !multiarch |
| 09:45.48 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 09:45.56 | SynrGy | "allows you to install foreign architecture packages" |
| 09:46.23 | SynrGy | so yes, i386 on amd64 is exactly what multiarch support in Debian means. |
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| 09:47.08 | surxenberg | hello |
| 09:47.24 | surxenberg | why is it that i can obtain an ip address through DHCP on my macbook but not on my debian PC? |
| 09:47.38 | GunnerWolf | does the multiarch thing also allow i386 packages on arm? |
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| 09:48.06 | surxenberg | i'm using the exact same cable: plug it into my macbook, it works fine, plug it into any of the three NIC's of my debian PC and it just keeps doing this DHCPDISCOVER thing |
| 09:48.17 | [WoD]no_maam | GunnerWolf: an i386 package will not work on arm |
| 09:48.25 | [WoD]no_maam | GunnerWolf: only on amd64 or x86_64 |
| 09:48.40 | GunnerWolf | So still no skype for my RPi |
| 09:48.46 | [WoD]no_maam | GunnerWolf: yes |
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| 09:49.09 | SynrGy | multiarch isn't magic. it doesn't make incompatible architectures work together. |
| 09:50.16 | SynrGy | why skype, anyway, when there are perfectly usable alternatives? talk to the people you communicate with who think Skype is the only alternative about what other ways you might communicate. |
| 09:51.14 | GunnerWolf | Because I have around 250 clients who all use skype, and I'm not about to persuade them to all switch to some other alternative, especially when half of them barely know left from right click |
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| 09:52.01 | SynrGy | so they don't know how to use a web browser to point at a webrtc site? |
| 09:52.22 | SynrGy | that involves zero installation of new software on their system ... |
| 09:52.29 | GunnerWolf | you overestimate the intelligence of the ignorant |
| 09:53.03 | GunnerWolf | besides, even then 250 people is a lot, and if I tried to force themto use something other than skype just to stay in touch with me, they'd just take their business elsewhere |
| 09:53.32 | SynrGy | hmm. actually, it seems IE11 can't do WebRTC |
| 09:53.51 | SynrGy | at least as of December last year |
| 09:53.57 | SynrGy | html5 video conferencing |
| 09:54.02 | SynrGy | argh, mispaste. |
| 09:54.08 | SynrGy | https://bloggeek.me/microsoft-browser-webrtc/ |
| 09:54.10 | GunnerWolf | this ain't google SynrGy xD |
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| 09:54.48 | GunnerWolf | Oh and, by html5, you mean javascript |
| 09:55.09 | mallxs | blackflow: do you have a gnome desktop on that machine ? try ckeck the "Disk Utility" look for the SMART info on the disks |
| 09:55.41 | SynrGy | GunnerWolf: force? no, i was thinking "ask" |
| 09:55.50 | SynrGy | GunnerWolf: because i'm sure *you* have alternatives |
| 09:55.55 | blackflow | mallxs: no this is a server, but thanks, I'll manage |
| 09:56.13 | SynrGy | as a matter of convenience to you, you could ask if they can do WebRTC. if they can't, you use Skype |
| 09:56.16 | SynrGy | on a desktop system |
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| 09:57.01 | SynrGy | of course you don't mention "WebRTC", because that's Greek to them. you just choose an appropriate site and point them at it. if it works, great. if not, Skype it is. |
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| 09:58.06 | SynrGy | you might be pleasantly surprised to find that some of them actually use and prefer a browser that supports it. |
| 09:59.12 | GunnerWolf | Most of them use skype for other contact too, and they're not going to go through the effort to open up a webpage just to talk to me. I tried it before when the RPi was my only computer in the office, I setup a simple IRC channel and sent everybody a link to a webirc client set to automatically connect to that channel. Only 2 people asside from me use it. |
| 09:59.36 | SynrGy | too bad. |
| 10:00.14 | SynrGy | Frustrating being shackled to whatever software choices MS limits us to, even when we don't use the OS itself. :( |
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| 10:00.23 | Lope | is there a way I can take a debian installation, and somehow tar-gzip it and append it to a debian-net install ISO, so that I can boot my-fat-netinstall.iso file on my dedicated server, then format the disk and extract the tar file onto it? |
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| 10:01.41 | SynrGy | Lope: you're talking about cloning an existing system? |
| 10:01.51 | Lope | yes |
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| 10:02.57 | SynrGy | so basically you're looking for a bare-metal recovery system |
| 10:03.10 | Lope | you could say that |
| 10:03.33 | SynrGy | there is software that specializes in that. e.g. MondoRescue ... |
| 10:04.10 | carp | GunnerWolf: you were using raspberry pi as your only computer at work? seems funny, was your main computer broken or something? |
| 10:04.14 | SynrGy | or you could hand-make your own, as you've hinted you'd like to try |
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| 10:04.39 | SynrGy | Lope: at work, my bare metal recovery is more or less as you describe. i have an rdiff-backup which i tar up ... |
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| 10:04.44 | SynrGy | Lope: and install media |
| 10:04.54 | SynrGy | the only part i don't do is "append to the install media" |
| 10:05.01 | GunnerWolf | carp: It was a new office, was waiting for the actual computer to turn up. Although the RPi2 works quite well for web dev work, and those 2 weeks of using that really got me to like Debian a lot more |
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| 10:06.08 | carp | GunnerWolf: aha nice. |
| 10:06.30 | Lope | this looks like what I need http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_burn_a_DVD_with_SystemRescue_and_4_GB_more_files |
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| 10:08.09 | SynrGy | Lope: interesting. optical-media-oriented, though? these days i would use a big USB drive |
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| 10:08.41 | Lope | its a dedicated server |
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| 10:09.32 | fraff | who use CD or DVD nowdays ? |
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| 10:11.16 | SynrGy | Lope: i don't know what "dedicated server" means in terms of the choice of install media |
| 10:11.44 | GunnerWolf | Surely if anything a dedi would have a USB drive and not a disc drive, rather than the other way around? |
| 10:11.50 | GunnerWolf | USB port* |
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| 10:12.14 | tmch | Hi all! Did anybody ever get a "Maximum number of clients reached" error in X? Is there anything I can do about it? |
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| 10:14.15 | GunnerWolf | So.. for some reason after installing a .deb file, when I run apt-get -f install it then removes the package I just installed |
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| 10:15.55 | SynrGy | tmch: giyf? for example, http://askubuntu.com/questions/4499/how-can-i-diagnose-debug-maximum-number-of-clients-reached-x-errors |
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| 10:17.05 | badescunicu | hello! For testing and educational purposes I need to generate an sk_buff in order to use it in user space to access raw bytes from it (manually iterate through the structure). Do you have any ideas how can I do this? |
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| 10:21.45 | Lope | GunnerWolf: well, I don't know. because it's a dedicated server that I'm renting, I don't physically interact with it. |
| 10:22.16 | Lope | Anyway, it's all good. I've spoken with them now and it's sorted. |
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| 10:28.43 | GunnerWolf | unfortunately there's no way to make a 3rd party app that connects to the skype servers is there? |
| 10:28.57 | GunnerWolf | .. I suppose that's a little off topic for this chat |
| 10:29.27 | carp | 1 hour bump. Im looking for someone to help a newby through ndiswrapper install for my wifi card. https://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper I am at the âwget http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R151517.EXE â part. I am confused about where this example file would download to (I assume just the generic download folder). And the next line âunzip -a R151517.EXE â I dont know where it unzips to and what the -a is for. |
| 10:29.40 | carp | The driver I was going to try was this one http://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=522863 My wifi card is the Marvell Libertas 88W8335 chipset [11ab:1faa] and according to this page it requires ndiswrapper https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi    I have tried installing firmware-libertas and firmware-linux-nonfree. I look for the ndiswrapper driver but it is not in the lists and its not even at the official website |
| 10:30.27 | tmch | SynrGy: Thanks! I've read this before, iirc. The problem is that I actually do open too many windows. I use xterm as a dictionary, so, when I read, I get well over 1k open windows. What I want to know is whether I can bump up that limit. |
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| 10:31.39 | SynrG | tmch: i don't understand how "I use xterm as a dictionary" contributes to the "too many open windows" issue |
| 10:31.47 | SynrG | tmch: do you have over 1000 xterms open at once? |
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| 10:32.03 | tmch | yes |
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| 10:32.17 | SynrG | how does that make any kind of sense? |
| 10:32.30 | tmch | That's very convenient because you can see all the words in the taskbar |
| 10:32.51 | SynrG | over a thousand words open at once is convenient? the taskbar has limited space ... |
| 10:32.55 | Ticho | wow, just... wow |
| 10:33.00 | SynrG | this is insane |
| 10:33.31 | SynrG | i'm sorry, but i don't think i want to invest energy in helping solve this :) |
| 10:33.35 | tmch | I vane 5 rows in the taskbar, and there's 10 of them on different workspaces |
| 10:33.50 | SynrG | try to rethink the problem in different terms |
| 10:33.53 | svetlana | tmch, time to hide the labels and only live with icons. |
| 10:34.08 | svetlana | make the icons bigger and see how it goes from there. |
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| 10:34.20 | Ticho | SynrG: yes, I'm slowly backing away myself, fighting impulses to start running :) |
| 10:35.45 | FlowRiser | GunnerWolf, you can try the #kde-telepathy, those guys know allot more about protocols and such |
| 10:36.02 | tmch | Svetlana:What labels? The text in the taskbar icons? |
| 10:36.03 | fraff | how is it possible to have 1k xterm opened at once ? It would take weeks to open them |
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| 10:36.26 | tmch | I have a keyboard shortcut |
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| 10:37.47 | svetlana | tmch: yes, that. |
| 10:37.51 | tmch | Also, I use expect to have the dictionary command already typed in the terminal. |
| 10:38.08 | svetlana | you can add a launcher for that somewhere I think. |
| 10:38.15 | GunnerWolf | tmch: why not just use lxterminal? It has tab support... |
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| 10:38.53 | svetlana | I am trying to invent as little as possible. Just address the questions asked. |
| 10:39.17 | tmch | Svetlana:But how would that help? I get a software error, not too little room in the taskbar. |
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| 10:40.08 | tmch | Tabs are way less convenient. |
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| 10:43.32 | tmch | Also, can I change the number of icons per row in that menu you get when you press Alt+Tab? It's always 5 and they don't fit the screen. |
| 10:43.52 | svetlana | oh, then I misunderstood. |
| 10:44.17 | Lope | is there a recommended way to setup software raid on my debian server? |
| 10:44.22 | SynrG | tmch: your mind must be a very interesting place, and organized in a way that i can't comprehend |
| 10:44.47 | somiaj | I almost thought to suggest screen/tmux, but if the issue is pty,s that may not help. |
| 10:44.48 | svetlana | tmch: would you like to try gnu screen? it is a tabs-like thing inside of your terminal. |
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| 10:45.51 | SynrG | i would attack it like this: i have a thousand bits of text to display. what existing tools are there that are designed to efficiently organize a thousand bits of text? |
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| 10:45.53 | svetlana | tmch: https://remibergsma.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/gnu-screen-with-tabs-at-bottom.png something of this sort, more or less. |
| 10:46.03 | SynrG | and "xterm" probably wouldn't be at the top of that list |
| 10:46.29 | SynrG | i'd probably start with my favourite text editor and see if there's any solution for that |
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| 10:46.47 | somiaj | GunnerWolf: did you get an answer to your question. This is most likely the dependnecies for the .deb you are isntall cannot be satisfied in your version of debian. |
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| 10:48.28 | svetlana | tmch, btw here is how to raise it: http://slackblogs.blogspot.com.au/2011/02/x11-maximum-number-of-clients-reached.html |
| 10:49.14 | somiaj | I always like the saying, the best thing about X is multiple xterms, but this is taking that to the extreme. (: |
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| 10:54.05 | tmch | SynrG: That's not the most unusual thing I've written. I Didn't even know there was something uncommon about it. |
| 10:54.17 | tmch | *reading links |
| 10:55.18 | Posterdati | hi |
| 10:55.25 | SynrG | tmch: i'm not saying "you're weird" in a bad way ... hope you don't take offense :) |
| 10:55.44 | Posterdati | is it possible to configure a wifi mouse on wheezy? |
| 10:55.45 | SynrG | tmch: and yeah, it's pretty uncommon |
| 10:55.47 | korhojoa | tmch: mind posting a screenshot of this, i'd really like to see how this works for you |
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| 10:56.11 | SynrG | tmch: i, like others here, am very surprised at your problem, and have a hard time visualizing how it would even work |
| 10:56.47 | tmch | Svetlana: Do you happen to know if these tabs in screen can be set up to have 5 rows of them? |
| 10:57.12 | SynrG | tmch: my typical workflow for dictionary lookups is: i am reading something and encounter a word i don't know. i open the dictionary to look it up. i'm enlightened, and close the window. i continue reading |
| 10:57.33 | SynrG | tmch: i don't know what purpose having 1000+ of these open at once has |
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| 10:58.10 | somiaj | I get the impression tmch just wants to be able to read something off the task bar, not that he actually looks at the xterms. |
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| 10:58.34 | korhojoa | if you could use something like vertical tabs in your browser instead maybe? |
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| 10:59.07 | SynrG | how does having a bunch of words in your task bar help? or does the task bar actually have something more than just the word? |
| 10:59.17 | korhojoa | just have a lightweight dictionary lookup in each tab, that'd let you even sort your words alphabetically if you want. tree style tab would let you open and close categories |
| 10:59.23 | tmch | SynrG: No, it's fine :))) Where can I upload the screenshot? I Keep them around for 2 days to memorize them better. Then a background script kills the terminal session. |
| 10:59.36 | SynrG | picpaste.org? or so |
| 10:59.45 | SynrG | er, no |
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| 11:00.00 | SynrG | .net? sec. will actually look it up instead of relying on memory :) |
| 11:00.07 | korhojoa | imgur? |
| 11:00.10 | SynrG | http://picpaste.com/ |
| 11:02.17 | somiaj | tmch: do you actually open up the xterms again, or would some 'sticky note' type thing you can just put rows of sticky notes be just fine? |
| 11:02.28 | somiaj | (not that I know of any such programs) |
| 11:03.37 | svetlana | You people are funny.... users will always be more inventive than anyone can ever imagine |
| 11:04.13 | svetlana | That's precisely why they're given control over their software.. the reason the whole free / non-free thing is about.. because users are the king of the planet |
| 11:05.27 | somiaj | well I see an X-Y problem and maybe trying to understand that will help find a better solution than incresing the number of xclients. (: |
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| 11:06.00 | RoyK | !webmin |
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| 11:06.01 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 11:06.29 | tmch | somiaj: Sometimes I look at the word in the taskbar to memorize them better. Then I can switch to the term again to see the word I forgot. So, I need a real term as it was. |
| 11:07.08 | korhojoa | tbh, his problem can be solved immediately with just increasing the amount and recompiling, but it's rather crude. if that's all he wants and doesn't need a insanely large amount of windows, seeing as his system now seems to be okay with window amounts up to the limit, why not try it? |
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| 11:08.28 | SynrG | it lacks elegance. doesn't seem to scale. eventually you'll run out of a "manageable" number of windows |
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| 11:09.01 | SynrG | so yes, you can bump up the max# clients, but maybe at this point, looking at a non-xterm-based solution will address current and future needs better. |
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| 11:13.04 | Lope | Any opinions on Proxmox? |
| 11:13.15 | somiaj | yea I was wondering if something like xpad would work, smaller foot print, but seems each 'note' is its own window, and that may hit the max client issue too. |
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| 11:13.42 | somiaj | !proxmox |
| 11:13.42 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 11:14.04 | Lope | I wasn't asking for support. Just asking for opinions :-) |
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| 11:14.14 | somiaj | Lope: the opinion is it is not debian and off-topic here. |
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| 11:14.30 | tmch | http://rghost.net/62GMJ7X6m.view It's not xterm, though. The xterm windows "self-destructed" by now, but I hope that gives you the impression. What do you think? |
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| 11:16.01 | AndyOslo | Hi |
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| 11:16.52 | somiaj | tmch: I see what you are doing now. Only alternative I can think of is maybe run an actual database that stores all these definitions and have a flag that you can tag them as important or not, and a client that shows all the important enteries and allows you to pull up more details with a click. |
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| 11:16.56 | SynrG | tmch: so you can't really see "at a glance". you have to have some map in your head where the words are likely to be and hover to see them? |
| 11:17.05 | GunnerWolf | Something I've always wondered about linux: why are most things packaged as .tar and then as .gz? |
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| 11:17.29 | svetlana | GunnerWolf: tar makes 1 file from many (Tape ARchive). gz compresses it. |
| 11:17.31 | somiaj | GunnerWolf: .tar is just the standard archive format that gets used. .gz is one of the more common ways to compress the archive. |
| 11:17.51 | svetlana | GunnerWolf: tar means no compression, just exactly same size. |
| 11:17.55 | SynrG | tmch: basically you're building a huge deck of flash cards for language learning ... |
| 11:18.30 | AndyOslo | Someone who know about some good software to replace Webmin |
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| 11:19.17 | somiaj | AndyOslo: learn how to use cli tools to configure your server. But dpkg had some alternatives that can be used |
| 11:19.39 | somiaj | !tell about AndyOslo free whcp |
| 11:19.46 | somiaj | I woudln't call any good, but there are some alternatives. |
| 11:20.34 | AndyOslo | somiaj: I'm using CLI, but also Webmin, but someone i talked with ment that Webmin was shit |
| 11:20.53 | tmch | SynrG: Yeah, but it's more convenient than having to deal with the tabs. And having the map in your mind is actually a good thing, because you can see the words in the order you encountered them, you can red different things on different workspaces, etc. |
| 11:21.20 | somiaj | flashcard is a good anology, maybe tmch should see if any flashcard type software would do what he needs. |
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| 11:22.48 | SynrG | yeah. this was part of my problem understanding the end-user problem. my dictionary use tends to be of the "obscure word in my own language" variety. and that comes up with far less frequency |
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| 11:23.58 | SynrG | GunnerWolf: the top-level answer to that is "the unix way is for one program to do one thing well". by decoupling archiving and compression, you have separation of concerns. |
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| 11:24.18 | SynrG | GunnerWolf: it allows each program to be developed independently by people with a special interest in each subproblem. |
| 11:24.27 | SynrG | and provides an easy way for users to mix-and-match components |
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| 11:26.48 | somiaj | GunnerWolf: another way to think about it is a package (such as .deb) is an archive plus control info for the os to know integrate the acrhive in the os. Software comming in .tar is just an archive and it is up to the user to integrate it in their system like they want. So stuff that isn't made for a paticular distro/release is given that way. |
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| 11:30.17 | droid909 | guys what is the right way to disable users? |
| 11:31.47 | Ixxie | you cut their acid with tranquilizer |
| 11:31.50 | droid909 | passwd -l ? |
| 11:32.01 | droid909 | Ixxie: could work ... |
| 11:32.04 | fireba11 | hi, i got an old server with some outdated debian i need to get up to code ... it got a software raid, but i wasn't able to get it too boot on newer hardware. i suspect there might be fake raid involved, how can i find out? |
| 11:32.19 | tmch | Svetlana: Thanks, I've finally read that link. So, the max number is hardcoded and I would need to recomplie X. That sounds hard. |
| 11:33.19 | Iridos | droid909, depends what you want to accomplish... disabling the password by adding a "!" at the beginning might do the job, except for a potential ssh key... so might setting /usr/sbin/nologin as the shell (but then I think I read people then can still use the port-forwarding features of ssh) |
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| 11:34.22 | droid909 | Iridos: is passwd -l user_name a good method? |
| 11:34.40 | somiaj | droid909: define disable? Why not just remove the user? Or you just want to prvent them from being login users? |
| 11:35.01 | droid909 | somiaj: i want to prevent users from loging in via ssh |
| 11:35.03 | Iridos | droid909, that's essentially putting a "!" to the beginning of the password, just using passwd to do it (man page even explains it that way) |
| 11:35.18 | somiaj | droid909: You can configure both white and black lists for ssh, check sshd_conf |
| 11:35.23 | droid909 | Iridos: i don't want to edidt sys file manualy |
| 11:35.27 | droid909 | edit |
| 11:35.48 | droid909 | so will passwd -l username work for me? |
| 11:35.56 | fireba11 | somiaj: also you can edit /etc/passwd and define things like smbpasswd to limit access to samba :-D |
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| 11:36.07 | somiaj | droid909: i.e. if all you care about is ssh use I would configure sshd properly. You may even be able to configure sshd to only allow users in a certain group to work. Then after that you can just add/remove users from that group. |
| 11:36.08 | Iridos | droid909, you can, though... "vipw -s" edits shadow (and locks it properly) |
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| 11:36.30 | droid909 | so will passwd -l username work for me? please |
| 11:36.49 | Iridos | probably |
| 11:37.26 | Iridos | droid909, did you read "man passwd" the bit on -l, --lock? |
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| 11:38.04 | droid909 | Iridos: yes, just wanted to confirm for my case |
| 11:38.06 | somiaj | droid909: personally if what you care about is ssh, I would look at AllowGroups or DenyGroups and then you can just add/remove users from those groups int he future to easily disable their ability to login. |
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| 11:38.20 | Iridos | droid909, well... did you read the 2nd paragraph on -l, --lock? |
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| 11:38.48 | Iridos | do I have to quote it? |
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| 11:39.03 | Iridos | "Note that this does not disable the account. The user may still be able to login using another authentication token (e.g. an SSH key). To disable the account, administrators should use usermod --expiredate 1 (this set the account's expire date to Jan 2, 1970)." |
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| 11:40.09 | Iridos | what do you want us to say that is more authorative than a manpage? |
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| 11:42.00 | droid909 | Iridos: thank you |
| 11:42.27 | Iridos | ^^ |
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| 11:48.29 | kcccccc | Hi, how to solve this installing issue? http://pastebin.com/NRkH8K1G |
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| 11:49.41 | kcccccc | This is the error message when run with "--fix-missing": http://pastebin.com/CdqS59eL |
| 11:50.23 | kcccccc | uname -a gives: 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt4-3 (2015-02-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:51.10 | RoyK | kcccccc: as it suggests - apt-get update |
| 11:51.31 | RoyK | kcccccc: it's probably trying to install old packages listed in your local index, but no longer existing in the repos |
| 11:51.49 | jelly | kcccccc: are you mixing different debian releases? |
| 11:51.52 | jelly | !unstable |
| 11:51.53 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 11:52.02 | jelly | hrmph. |
| 11:52.04 | jelly | !sid |
| 11:52.04 | dpkg | sid is, like, the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 11:52.29 | jelly | that's not helpful either, but more indicative of the results you can get from using it |
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| 11:56.38 | kcccccc | RoyK, jelly: This is the result of apt-get update: http://tny.cz/58785d47 |
| 11:56.44 | kcccccc | it shows some issues |
| 11:57.40 | RoyK | oh - sid - try #debian-next @ irc.freenode.net |
| 11:57.49 | t3ngu | kcccccc: apt-get update --fix-missing |
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| 11:58.24 | svetlana | RoyK, you mean irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:58.29 | jelly | kcccccc: are the issues "I have way too many PPA and third party repos enabled" |
| 11:58.37 | RoyK | svetlana: sorry |
| 11:58.42 | RoyK | svetlana: yes, of course :P |
| 11:58.43 | svetlana | np |
| 11:58.59 | jelly | t3ngu: that doesn't make sense |
| 11:59.31 | t3ngu | jelly: ok doesnt |
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| 12:00.10 | kcccccc | RoyK: "Joining #debian-next requires an invitation." |
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| 12:00.22 | RoyK | @irc.oftc.net? |
| 12:00.28 | fling | I'm getting a bunch of this like errors -> 'Package libasound2-plugins:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package.' http://dpaste.com/3CN6QXC |
| 12:00.31 | fling | How to fix? |
| 12:00.45 | RoyK | kcccccc: works for me |
| 12:00.47 | kcccccc | RoyK: ahh.. ok |
| 12:00.52 | kcccccc | irc.freenode |
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| 12:05.08 | zerophan | http://pastebin.com/31GBCdGB that script no run because permission denied. |
| 12:05.15 | zerophan | but yesterday it's run ok |
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| 12:06.20 | zerophan | see the permissions: -rwxrwxrwx 1 w127cpd001 cpd 13K Abr 21 08:15 |
| 12:06.32 | zerophan | i'm member of cpd group |
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| 12:06.49 | aypea[1] | given a wireless interface managed by network-manager, how does one make sure certain properties of the wireless card (like power saving) are maintained across reboots? |
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| 12:20.08 | somiaj | aypea[1]: I think this depends, are these things that network-manager can configure? (if so when network manager brings up the interface it should rember that) or are these things you have to confgiure sepertally of n-m? |
| 12:20.42 | somiaj | I don't use nm and forget if it can configure things like power saving and other features of the wifi card via the driver, as opposed to just bring up and down network devices. |
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| 12:32.08 | ladeia | Hello everyone, anyone installing kde5 in debian? |
| 12:32.31 | ladeia | some dificult? opinion? |
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| 12:39.17 | somiaj | ladeia: be clear, what troulbes are you having. You can either install the kde meta package or the kde task and it will pull in all of kde and install just fine (or should if you are running debian stable). |
| 12:40.02 | jelly | somiaj: except there is no KDE5 in debian |
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| 12:40.31 | jelly | 5 being the distinctive part of the question |
| 12:40.33 | somiaj | jelly: oh I missed that, I just saw kde. Makes sense now. (: |
| 12:41.14 | jelly | ladeia: I assume kde 5 might happen in the unstable branch after the jessie release |
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| 12:45.22 | Roberth1990 | I hope kde applicationas are fully ported to frameworks 5 for the next stable release |
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| 12:47.02 | svetlana | some, not all |
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| 12:48.30 | Roberth1990 | svetlana: I meant the one after jessie :) |
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| 12:48.32 | thomas_d | Hi everyone I'm just now having a pretty terrible time here, I use Remmina as a remote connection client to my server, this has been fine for many weeks now, but my computer shut itself off (think it got a bit hot) and now every time I try to do something in Remmina I get a "segfault" in the syslog |
| 12:49.26 | thomas_d | I've done a reinstall with remmina and this doesn't fix it. I can run the program Remmina but I can't make any new connections, I just get this segfault D: |
| 12:49.58 | jelly | thomas_d: does it happen with a clean new user as well? Might be some leftover in its per-user config or cache. |
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| 12:50.55 | ladeia | nice jelly, I want try use kd5 in debian! |
| 12:51.29 | ladeia | thanks |
| 12:52.10 | jelly | thomas_d: or move away ~/.remmina and see if it makes any difference |
| 12:52.19 | thomas_d | it doesn't happen with root actually |
| 12:52.42 | thomas_d | it seems to work fine when executing as root... I'll move .remmina I suspect this may fix it now ty xD |
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| 12:53.52 | thomas_d | Yep! tyvm jelly, lovely |
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| 12:57.39 | jelly | thomas_d: it's not a great idea to run random X apps as root, not even as a test |
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| 12:58.56 | jelly | this isn't carefully written code for root, and if you accidentally leave HOME variable intact going over to root they can change permissions and ownerships of your normal user's files |
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| 12:59.41 | jelly | thomas_d: so if I ask to try with a "clean new user" that means a clean newly created normal user, not root |
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| 13:09.09 | carp | Im looking for someone to help a newby through ndiswrapper install for my wifi card. https://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper I am at the âwget http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R151517.EXE â part. I am confused about where this example file would download to (I assume just the generic download folder). And the next line âunzip -a R151517.EXE â I dont know where it unzips to and what the -a is for. |
| 13:09.15 | carp | The driver I was going to try was this one http://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=522863 My wifi card is the Marvell Libertas 88W8335 chipset [11ab:1faa] and according to this page it requires ndiswrapper https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi    I have tried installing firmware-libertas and firmware-linux-nonfree. I look for the ndiswrapper driver but it is not in the lists and its not even at the official website |
| 13:09.33 | carp | I am on 32 bit wheezy stable |
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| 13:21.13 | Foxhoundz | hi debian |
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| 13:21.35 | hassoon | Foxhoundz: 'sup |
| 13:21.52 | Brigo | carp, try this link: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/marvell-88w8335-chipset-netgear-wg311-pcicard-driver/ |
| 13:21.59 | Brigo | i think it will be easier for you. |
| 13:22.01 | Foxhoundz | hassoon: I accidentally selected Laptop during the installation process when really I wanted a GUI-less headless server |
| 13:22.13 | Foxhoundz | what packages do I need to uninstall to remove all the gui-related tools |
| 13:22.18 | Foxhoundz | like gimp, games, etc |
| 13:22.27 | Foxhoundz | and the DE itself |
| 13:22.33 | hassoon | what is the de |
| 13:22.36 | Walex | carp: 'ndiswrapper' is a bad idea, and for a newbie even worse. |
| 13:22.38 | Foxhoundz | Gnome 3 |
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| 13:22.52 | Brigo | Walex, there is no alternative for his driver. |
| 13:22.57 | hassoon | sudo apt-get purge gnome3 ,i guess4 |
| 13:22.58 | carp | brigo walex ok cool. i will check this out |
| 13:23.00 | hassoon | *guess |
| 13:23.00 | Walex | carp: much better to get a USB WiFi thingie or a newer kernel from backports that may support the chip. |
| 13:23.08 | Foxhoundz | you ....guess? |
| 13:23.14 | Foxhoundz | it's not going to nuke everything is it |
| 13:23.20 | Foxhoundz | we'll find out |
| 13:24.04 | unsinged__ | I accidently disabled the dead keys on my keyboard, which means that if I try to write â, it will write ^a instead. I have tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration to no avail, rebooting does not work either, and the keyboard preference window of xfce does not allow to change the keyboard layout... Could someone help me, please? |
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| 13:25.15 | Brigo | unsinged__, try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 13:25.45 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 11ab:1faa |
| 13:25.46 | judd | [11ab:1faa] is '88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:1faa |
| 13:25.57 | hassoon | Foxhoundz: doh sorry, it is gdm3 |
| 13:26.00 | hassoon | the package to remove |
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| 13:26.11 | anddam | how can I check what package updated a certain alternative? |
| 13:26.23 | petn-randall | unsinged__: How did you disable them in the first place? |
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| 13:26.38 | unsinged__ | petn-randall: tried different key combinations for a software |
| 13:26.57 | unsinged__ | petn-randall: apparently, xfce found one of them meaningful |
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| 13:27.27 | unsinged__ | Brigo: the configuration seems fine already |
| 13:27.54 | anddam | I had a desktop background (default lxde) then I installed a bunch of packages and now it's a different one, I see it's /etc/alternative/desktop-backgroun that links to /usr/share/images/desktop-base/lines-wallpaper_... |
| 13:28.08 | anddam | I'd like to figure what triggered the stealth change |
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| 13:29.58 | anddam | ah here, it changed from login-background.svg to one ot the lines-wallpaper_ set |
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| 13:39.22 | alamanjani | test |
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| 13:40.45 | alamanjani | If I want to use program that don't need to be registered, all I need to do is to copy it to folder where I have read/write permissions, where would be best place to copy it? /Home? |
| 13:41.01 | alamanjani | .....sorry that don't need to be installed... |
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| 13:43.41 | unsinged_ | I tried to set keyboard-configuration right once more, then rebooted, it does not work, I tried lxinput but it does not display the "Layout" tab, and the layout should by good anyways, but I still cannot use the dead keys |
| 13:44.24 | unsinged_ | xev recognize them well by the way, so it really is that something refuses to interpret ^a as â |
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| 13:57.48 | nachos | Hi, I'm trying to install gnome, and it will refuse to work when I do 'apt-get install gnome' it doesn't pull in any of its dependencies. |
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| 14:00.42 | mtn | nachos: which version of debian? |
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| 14:00.51 | nachos | jessie |
| 14:01.48 | mtn | nachos: did you do update first? |
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| 14:01.57 | nachos | apt-get update... yes |
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| 14:02.10 | nachos | It just shits out some stupid dependency loop |
| 14:02.14 | mtn | nachos: paste your errors to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:02.18 | nachos | I installed cinnamon first |
| 14:02.20 | nachos | Okay. :) |
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| 14:06.47 | nachosx | Heya, sorry jumped on my unix box. |
| 14:06.56 | nachosx | Okay, I've given up on gnome, I'll stick with cinnamon. |
| 14:07.05 | abrotman | nachosx: show us your sources.list |
| 14:07.09 | nachosx | What I do find though is half the GTK themes I use will crash cinnamon. |
| 14:07.15 | nachosx | Sure, where's the paste bin? |
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| 14:07.58 | greycat | The bot suggests http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://picpaste.com/ |
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| 14:09.00 | unsinged__ | okay I found the solution to my problem, and wasted two hours... I have no idea what I did, but a xim/uim icon appeared in my toolbar... I completely purged the *ucker and now I can finally use my dead keys! -> ä |
| 14:09.01 | nachosx | http://pastie.org/10105320 |
| 14:09.36 | abrotman | nachosx: so if you 'apt-get update;apt-get install gnome' it says what? |
| 14:09.47 | smhar | greetings |
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| 14:10.53 | nachosx | http://pastie.org/10105325 |
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| 14:11.47 | smhar | I am haing a very strange problem. I have desktop with several internal harddisk, sda, sdb, sdc . after I upgraded my debian testing, lately, I am receiving many many messags of hardware errors and failures to all of them! |
| 14:12.03 | smhar | all in the span of 2 weeks |
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| 14:13.35 | jhutchins_wk | smhar: Could be a problem with your controller. |
| 14:14.05 | jhutchins_wk | smhar: I don't suppose you kept stable for multi-boot so you could tell if it was software related? |
| 14:14.19 | mtn | nachosx: did you install some things from experimental? |
| 14:14.35 | mtn | nachosx: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 14:15.22 | phpmiddleman | im getting fatal: Unable to negotiate a key exchange method [preauth] on a fresh sshd install. when trying to auth with key |
| 14:15.50 | smhar | jhutchins_wk, O dpd not know.. but they have been working fine before woth out any error |
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| 14:16.09 | jhutchins_wk | smhar: Pastebin the specific errors? |
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| 14:16.25 | jhutchins_wk | smhar: Where are you seeing the errors? |
| 14:16.35 | jhutchins_wk | smhar: Do you have smartmontools installed? |
| 14:16.38 | nachosx | mtn: possibly |
| 14:16.47 | nachosx | mtn: How can I check? |
| 14:16.56 | mtn | nachosx: well, there you go |
| 14:17.05 | nachosx | Ugh =\ |
| 14:17.05 | jhutchins_wk | phpmiddleman: -vvvv |
| 14:17.12 | nachosx | Should I reinstall mtn or can I fix it? |
| 14:17.20 | jhutchins_wk | !partial downgrade |
| 14:17.20 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 14:17.26 | abrotman | nachosx: you can probably fix with aptitude |
| 14:18.00 | smhar | jhutchins_wk, in both kde and console. they keep popping up every 5 minutes and then the system will not boot until I physically remove the drive and also remove it from fstab |
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| 14:21.37 | nachosx | how do i search for upgraded packages? |
| 14:22.18 | abrotman | upgraded from what? |
| 14:22.21 | abrotman | or to what? |
| 14:22.37 | phpmiddleman | jhutchins_wk: it is jenkins doing ssh with keyauth. im unable to -vvvv |
| 14:23.02 | nachosx | to do a partial downgrade |
| 14:23.07 | phpmiddleman | jhutchins_wk: jenkins log says SEVERE: Algorithm negotiation fail |
| 14:23.08 | nachosx | anything from 'experimental' |
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| 14:24.41 | mtn | nachosx: might be simpler for you to reinstall |
| 14:24.53 | nachosx | Nah, I'll just try |
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| 14:28.31 | abrotman | nachosx: Have you tried with aptitude yet? |
| 14:28.33 | jhutchins_wk | nachosx: The factoid suggests using the interactive/menued mode of aptitude to find the packages. |
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| 14:31.33 | Nach0z | oh. THAT'S why I keep getting pinged |
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| 14:32.31 | nachosx | there is no menu option for that, jhutchins_wk |
| 14:32.34 | nachosx | reinstall is looking good... |
| 14:32.55 | nachosx | Ahh.. f-it ill do it, learned the hard way huehue |
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| 14:37.47 | abrotman | that's not learning the hard way .. that's taking the easy way out |
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| 14:38.41 | greycat | it's also the correct way out, isn't it? |
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| 14:40.48 | abrotman | Nah, the pain and suffering is the correct way :) |
| 14:40.53 | abrotman | it will keep you from doing it again |
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| 14:51.33 | phpmiddleman | im unable to git pull when executing a script with ssh with keyauth. |
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| 14:51.54 | phpmiddleman | git pull fails because git is not using key from ~/.ssh when running that script |
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| 14:56.49 | karlpinc | phpmiddleman: Perhaps try #git then? |
| 14:57.28 | gribouille | I use LVM mirrors. how will I be warned when one part of the mirrored LV fails? |
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| 14:57.46 | jhutchins_wk | phpmiddleman: github has some good docs on key management. I believe git init generates it's own key, but that's individual users, jenkins might require additional steps. |
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| 15:00.24 | karlpinc | gribouille: That's a good question. Surely there's log entries. Perhaps it relies on your syslog (rsyslog) configuration to email you or whatever for urgent messages. |
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| 15:01.03 | gribouille | karlpinc, how can I know? |
| 15:01.41 | karlpinc | gribouille: The only way to be 100% sure is to test. Unplug the power to a drive while it's running and see. |
| 15:02.17 | gribouille | karlpinc, that's a bit brutal |
| 15:02.24 | karlpinc | gribouille: Unless you test, with your configuration and your hardware, you never really know for sure. |
| 15:02.38 | greycat | if it's a hot pluggable drive, you can just pull it out... |
| 15:03.07 | karlpinc | gribouille: A drive should be able to lose power without breaking the hardware, and the mirroring should be able to recover -- at least after a reboot. |
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| 15:05.51 | karlpinc | gribouille: I tend to use smartmontools. It'll do drive diagnostics and email me ahead of having actual failure (hopefully). |
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| 15:07.50 | petn-randall | karlpinc: SMART only catches HDD failures in 1/3 of the time. For SSDs it's even less. |
| 15:07.59 | gribouille | karlpinc, is smartmontools easy to use? |
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| 15:08.10 | jhutchins_wk | gribouille: You're not doing that instead of backups are you? If it messed up, just restore. |
| 15:08.12 | karlpinc | petn-randall: Yeah. But it's better than nothing. |
| 15:08.26 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: Do you use a custom script for that? |
| 15:08.38 | gribouille | jhutchins_wk, of course I do backups |
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| 15:08.47 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: I'm assuming he's using smartd, which does that. |
| 15:09.04 | karlpinc | gribouille: Nothing is "easy to use". You need the instructions. And smart itself has a bunch of confusing terminology, various unclearly named tests and so forth. |
| 15:09.18 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: Hm. The one time I had a disk fail I caught the smart errors in the log, never got an email. |
| 15:09.19 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: I rely on smartd. |
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| 15:10.13 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: by default, it will only catch "SMART health test failed" events, any other things (like temperature spikes, etc.) you need to configure manually. |
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| 15:10.59 | karlpinc | The relevant parts of my smartd.conf: http://paste.debian.net/168055/ |
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| 15:14.57 | anddam | trying to configure alternatives for desktop-backgroun group I don't see the image in /usr/share/images/desktop-base that I'd like to use, while https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Change_the_greeter.27s_background suggests I should |
| 15:15.12 | anddam | namely login-background provided by desktop-base package |
| 15:15.18 | anddam | login-backgroun.svg |
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| 15:15.47 | anddam | I can directly setup the background but why don't I see that one among the selections? |
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| 15:16.55 | bynarie | just wondering, but what would be the difference between a debian .deb file and an ubuntu .deb file? |
| 15:17.14 | greycat | the dependencies |
| 15:17.24 | greycat | (also the post-install scripts and so on could be different) |
| 15:17.35 | fling | So how to fix my issue? I'm still getting a bunch of this like errors -> 'Package libasound2-plugins:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package.' http://dpaste.com/3CN6QXC |
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| 15:17.42 | anddam | greycat: I thought he meant difference in format, so I'd say none |
| 15:18.01 | karlpinc | greycat: (And the Ubuntu ones will be *shiney*! ;-) |
| 15:18.09 | bynarie | lol! |
| 15:18.11 | greycat | "none" implies it would be totally safe to use ubuntu debs on your debian system, which is not always true |
| 15:18.14 | bynarie | ok thanks for the info |
| 15:18.16 | jelly | bynarie: they're built to work with different versions of software |
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| 15:18.34 | bynarie | i was just curious |
| 15:18.44 | bynarie | i use both systems, didnt really know the difference |
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| 15:21.16 | anddam | any hint on the update-alternatives question? |
| 15:21.34 | anddam | how can I check what packages provide an alternative for a group? |
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| 15:25.44 | anddam | also speaking ok ubuntu packages I was going to try http://www.playdeb.net/updates/Ubuntu/14.10#how_to_install repo on Jessie, but the URL at that deb line returns a 404 |
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| 15:26.12 | anddam | I don't know APT but the server should return content (directory listing or so) on the deb URL, right? |
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| 15:26.28 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: Thanks. |
| 15:26.28 | greycat | It looks like packages create alternatives through an "update-alternatives --install" command in the postinst script. It's not even visible in the package metadata. |
| 15:27.10 | anddam | greycat: that's for me, right? |
| 15:27.19 | greycat | You, or anyone else curious about alternatives. |
| 15:27.28 | towo` | anddam, you don't want to install ubuntu packages in debian |
| 15:27.40 | greycat | I looked in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ed.postinst for an example. |
| 15:27.48 | anddam | towo`: well actually I would want to, but I know it's not advisable |
| 15:28.01 | towo` | anddam, no, you don't |
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| 15:28.06 | anddam | is there a service like playdeb for Debian? |
| 15:28.06 | DingoSaar | I need help now... I installed php5 from dotdeb. I want to downgrade from 5.6 to 5.5 now. I commented the dotdeb-php56 out and inserted dotdeb-php55. Now, how can I downgrade the packages? |
| 15:28.07 | towo` | debioan is not ubuntu |
| 15:28.47 | ctmjr | dotdeb is bad |
| 15:28.50 | jhutchins_wk | !dotdeb |
| 15:28.50 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 15:29.07 | anddam | greycat: yep, I',m reading desktop-base.postinst now |
| 15:29.14 | petn-randall | DingoSaar: Downgrading is not supported in Debian, and likely not in a dotdeb package. You can remove that package, and try to install the new one. dotdeb breaks your system more often than it helps, though. |
| 15:29.48 | DingoSaar | I see... are there known problems with PHP-5.6? |
| 15:30.11 | greycat | Debian jessie has php 5.6.7 |
| 15:30.24 | greycat | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 15:30.25 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.36-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.39-0+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.39-0+deb7u2; sid: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1 |
| 15:30.33 | petn-randall | No, software generally ships bug free </sarcasm>. ;) |
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| 15:31.22 | fling | Is not it going to work? |
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| 15:32.16 | DingoSaar | right now I shy away from Jessie because of the switch to systemd... |
| 15:32.46 | greycat | Then stick with the version of php that's in wheezy. |
| 15:33.02 | DingoSaar | ...apart from that, is there an approximate date when Jessie will become stable? |
| 15:33.12 | greycat | 4 days from now. April 25. |
| 15:33.37 | DingoSaar | greycat, we already had that. Downgrading isn't supported. |
| 15:33.52 | ksk | Hey Guys. Would a slogan like " Partners: x, y, debian-logo" be save to say, or would a conpany have to pay something to debian? |
| 15:33.55 | ksk | thanks |
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| 15:34.05 | DingoSaar | Does anyone use Jessie and uses an RC? |
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| 15:34.39 | planetmaker | DingoSaar, you might try #debian-next |
| 15:34.45 | DingoSaar | 25th is my birthday... I would like not to spend it with bugfixes... |
| 15:35.03 | greycat | There is certainly no mandate that you must upgrade to jessie the day it's released. |
| 15:35.04 | DingoSaar | planetmaker, * Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only) |
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| 15:35.23 | planetmaker | interesting. That's new |
| 15:35.42 | tremon | DingoSaar: #debian-next is on oftc |
| 15:35.50 | planetmaker | oh, wrong server :D |
| 15:36.14 | DingoSaar | There is most certainly no chance in hell for me to use systemd... already did that once. Fool me once, Shame on you, fool me twice... |
| 15:36.48 | DingoSaar | ...at least as long as it is not used by BSD.# |
| 15:37.07 | petn-randall | DingoSaar: Then just carry on using sysv init. |
| 15:37.27 | greycat | In that case, you'll need some kind of nonstandard upgrade plan to avoid it. Or possibly use devuan if that's a serious project (I am not certain). |
| 15:37.28 | DingoSaar | If someone is in #debian-next, I would be glad for an invite... |
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| 15:37.55 | petn-randall | DingoSaar: 17:35 < tremon > DingoSaar: #debian-next is on oftc |
| 15:38.14 | DingoSaar | WTF happened... I loved about debian that it gives you the choice... |
| 15:38.15 | petn-randall | DingoSaar: The network you're currently on is freenode, not OFTC. |
| 15:38.21 | DingoSaar | pte |
| 15:38.31 | DingoSaar | Ah, oftc is another network... |
| 15:38.42 | petn-randall | You can still use sysv init if you want? |
| 15:38.47 | petn-randall | doesn't see the problem. |
| 15:39.02 | buu | "fool me twice, I become president of the USA"? |
| 15:39.03 | shay_shay | DingoSaar: only distro which let's you pick your init system that I know of is gentoo |
| 15:39.27 | shay_shay | And LFS. When has Debian had a choice for init system? |
| 15:39.48 | petn-randall | shay_shay: Have you installed jessie yet? You can simply pick sysv init. |
| 15:39.54 | DingoSaar | petn-randall, that was my question, greycat said no... |
| 15:40.03 | shay_shay | Oh petn-randall good point |
| 15:40.07 | greycat | I have no idea how to do it. I was certainly not asked when I upgraded from wheezy. |
| 15:40.11 | shay_shay | Lol where is my brain this morning |
| 15:40.13 | DingoSaar | shay_shay, you will NEVER guess what desktop system I am sitting on... :-) |
| 15:40.19 | swift110-phone | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.31 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie |
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| 15:40.46 | DingoSaar | petn-randall, Thank you! :-) |
| 15:41.04 | petn-randall | !wwjr |
| 15:41.04 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-04-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html |
| 15:41.10 | greycat | petn-randall: are you only asked during a fresh install, and not during an upgrade? |
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| 15:41.54 | shay_shay | If anything it would be the other way around greycat |
| 15:41.55 | petn-randall | greycat: You're not asked, you simply don't install systemd on upgrade. |
| 15:42.16 | DingoSaar | wishes the upgrade was as simple as from woody->sarge... |
| 15:42.26 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: It was my understanding that upgrading defaulted to keeping init (if systemd wasn't already there), but there are rumors that was changed. |
| 15:42.37 | petn-randall | systemd is pulled in by default in the upgrade path. If you don't want it on upgrade, simply de-select it in aptitude, or pin the package to priority -1. |
| 15:42.57 | tremon | greycat: you won't be asked. if upgrading, you need to install systemd-shim before upgrading |
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| 15:43.02 | DingoSaar | I started with woody, and made the mistake of assuming all upgrades were as simple as woody->sarge... which led me to upgrade sarge->Gentoo... |
| 15:43.24 | petn-randall | DingoSaar: Eh? |
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| 15:43.56 | buu | So.. I have router 1 plugged into switch 2 plugged into machine A; then I have router 3 plugged into switch 2 but configured as a wireless access point. I then have machine B wireless connected to router 3 and machine C wirelessly connected to router 3. A can reach B or C but C cannot reach B |
| 15:43.56 | DingoSaar | petn-randall, woody->sarge really was nothing but altering sources.list and upgrading, it worked perfectly. |
| 15:44.00 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: having done two jessie upgrades now, I can confirm that you get systemd by default. |
| 15:44.09 | buu | Why is wireless the devil? |
| 15:44.13 | greycat | I'm not saying that's a bad thing. |
| 15:44.40 | DingoSaar | sarge->(sarge+1) crashed me 2 systems beyond repair, I had to re-install... and the new installation in the one case was Gentoo, in the other NetBSD |
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| 15:45.33 | petn-randall | DingoSaar: I've got an installation that I've been upgrading since lenny. Works like a charm and is running jessie. |
| 15:45.38 | cybrNaut | DingoSaar: i've seen dist-upgrade completely destroy a system.. since then I always upgrade debian from scratch] |
| 15:45.57 | abrotman | has dist-upgraded through five distros, works fine |
| 15:46.03 | petn-randall | nods. |
| 15:46.08 | abrotman | five releases |
| 15:46.27 | abrotman | And one of those was even an Alpha, a completely unloved platform |
| 15:46.35 | shay_shay | DingoSaar: your system was likely already broken. Dist-upgrades are almost always eventless for me |
| 15:46.50 | petn-randall | "completely destroy" sounds like an exxageration, though. Sounds more like "upgrade through problems, I rebooted anyway, the machine didn't come up and I didn't want to fix the mess." |
| 15:47.02 | cybrNaut | it's not the success stories that are interesting |
| 15:47.04 | petn-randall | s/through/threw/ |
| 15:47.05 | abrotman | (or he was using Ubuntu, which I've heard has a lower success ratio) |
| 15:47.08 | buu | I think the worst problem I've ever had with a distupgrade is missing a driver |
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| 15:47.50 | jelly | DingoSaar: sarge->etch was a mess, esp. with initrd/initramfs changes, kernel changes et al. Anything after etch->lenny was pretty much uneventful |
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| 15:48.04 | shay_shay | abrotman: I can vouch for that, its not a thing you do on ubuntu |
| 15:48.09 | fling | How to convert from minimal to server? |
| 15:48.16 | abrotman | eh .. what? |
| 15:48.24 | DingoSaar | petn-randall, no, more like "I worked through the problems until nothing else worked, the reboot caused the system not to come up again, and the FDD and CD-Rom were broken, so I could not get a new boot/install"... |
| 15:48.31 | jelly | abrotman: "task" |
| 15:48.52 | jhutchins_wk | I tried a lenny->squeeze upgrade about two years after lenny went out of support and ended up with an un-recoverable system. |
| 15:48.57 | DingoSaar | And, please, no insulting here, I never touched (Z)Ubuntu without Latex gloves and a Zodiac Hazmat suit. |
| 15:49.37 | cybrNaut | DingoSaar: are you dissing LaTe |
| 15:49.39 | cybrNaut | x |
| 15:49.49 | DingoSaar | jelly, thank you... then I just had bad luck to upgrade to an etch no one could scritch... |
| 15:49.51 | cybrNaut | latex is the best type setting tool on linux |
| 15:49.55 | jelly | fling: hm. Install tasksel, start it, pick the standard task and server task if you think you need all of that |
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| 15:50.04 | Agiofws | hello |
| 15:50.16 | fling | jelly: thanks |
| 15:50.17 | jelly | !slap DingoSaar |
| 15:50.17 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across DingoSaar's face |
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| 15:50.20 | DingoSaar | No. \LaTeX is a type setting tool. Latex is the material my one-way gloves in the ambulance are made of. |
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| 15:50.34 | DingoSaar | jelly, why the slap? |
| 15:50.44 | jelly | the pun, it hurt |
| 15:50.58 | Agiofws | i've installed 32 bit debian testing i think. i have a AR5212/AR5213 atheros wifi pci card in this machine and i getting too many disconnects can anyone help me with this issue? |
| 15:51.05 | DingoSaar | Ah... you know, the beauty of a pun is in the "EYAARGH!!" of the beholder... |
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| 15:51.59 | cybrNaut | x86+arm hybrid CPUs are on the horizon -- is debian going to be on it? |
| 15:52.01 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: yeah but you're a redhat type person so we didn't expect anything better! |
| 15:52.03 | DingoSaar | what I missed the most in Gentoo was dselect... I am happy to be able to use it again on my server now... |
| 15:52.10 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/WaAnW1VU anyone please take a look? |
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| 15:52.57 | fling | jelly: not what I wanted⦠|
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| 15:53.11 | jelly | fling: what did you want, then? |
| 15:53.26 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: I've had a number of good debian upgrades, but the system was old, out of support, and probably had 3rd party packages, so I was prepared for restore-from-snapshot and do a parallel install and transfer. |
| 15:53.38 | fling | jelly: I have installed minimal becase it is the only image available in lxc-create but I need server |
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| 15:54.22 | jelly | fling: I'm clueless about lxc and lxc-create. Is anything stopping you from installing the packages you need manually after the fact? |
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| 15:54.59 | fling | jelly: Yes, this nasty error-> 'Package libasound2-plugins:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package.' http://dpaste.com/3CN6QXC |
| 15:55.19 | fling | jelly: I'm following this guide. -> https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/mod_skypopen |
| 15:55.34 | fling | I'm now trying to use /etc/apt/sources.list from the developer of this thing ;P |
| 15:56.32 | jelly | fling: if you need all those 32bit bits, why didn't you just install debian i386? |
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| 15:57.22 | fling | jelly: because it says I need 64bit |
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| 15:58.11 | jelly | fling: your "apt-get update" output does not match the dpkg --add-architecture command above. It did not fetch i386 repo stuff at all |
| 15:58.23 | jelly | fling: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 15:58.30 | fling | jelly: fixed the issue with this -> http://dpaste.com/366K698 |
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| 15:58.33 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.34 | jhutchins_wk | Agiofws: How about confirming what you have installed? |
| 15:59.39 | jelly | fling: oh dear. wth uses per-arch deb lines |
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| 16:00.03 | fling | jelly: is this bad or what? :P |
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| 16:00.16 | Agiofws | jhutchins_wk, how would i do that ? |
| 16:00.18 | Agiofws | lsmod? |
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| 16:00.57 | fling | jelly: the thing is to install 64bit freeswitch probably |
| 16:00.57 | jelly | fling: that [arch=amd64] was bad, yes. You're not using it any more, so that's good. On the other hand, http://http.debian.net/debian is a better option for a repo than http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 16:00.58 | Agiofws | jhutchins_wk, http://codepad.org/0QeTfNui |
| 16:01.00 | jhutchins_wk | Agiofws: lsb_release -a or uname -a |
| 16:01.16 | fling | jelly: what is the difference? |
| 16:01.21 | jelly | !hdn |
| 16:01.21 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from http.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main". See http://http.debian.net/ for more information. Unlike <cdn.debian.net>, it is safe to use with Google DNS etc because it uses HTTP 302 redirects. See also <which http.debian.net>. |
| 16:01.22 | Agiofws | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 7.8 (wheezy) |
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| 16:01.39 | Agiofws | <jhutchins_wk> |
| 16:02.14 | jelly | Agiofws: that sounds more like debian 7 than testing. uname -a? |
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| 16:02.31 | Agiofws | Linux P4 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:03.29 | fling | Also how to fix the locale settings? |
| 16:03.33 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/1RJWBMXn |
| 16:03.43 | greycat | fling: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:04.00 | fling | greycat: thanks |
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| 16:06.15 | Agiofws | ? |
| 16:06.16 | guesswho--- | any word how long debian wheezy will be supported with updates for? |
| 16:06.42 | jelly | Agiofws: stupid advice: try the newer kernel and see if it works better (or different) |
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| 16:06.52 | jelly | Agiofws: /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
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| 16:07.04 | guesswho--- | i refuse to use systemd so im curious |
| 16:07.31 | somiaj | guesswho---: you do not have to use systemd in jessie |
| 16:07.32 | jelly | Agiofws: remember to install the firmware from wheezy-backports together with the kernel |
| 16:07.46 | greycat | 11:42 tremon> greycat: you won't be asked. if upgrading, you need to install systemd-shim before upgrading |
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| 16:08.05 | somiaj | guesswho---: you can choose to use either sysvinit or systemd (both supported in jessie). As for support, old stable is supported for 1 year after a new release. |
| 16:08.11 | Agiofws | via synaptic? |
| 16:08.14 | jelly | greycat: the release notes have a different solution |
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| 16:09.35 | guesswho--- | somiaj thanks |
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| 16:11.07 | Agiofws | E: Malformed line 16 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) ? |
| 16:11.17 | jelly | guesswho---: as for the longevity of support, it's the usual 1 year after jessie release, anything more depends on how much resources the LTS effort gets (make your employer donate regularly and have a say in which packages get prioritized, or do it yourself) |
| 16:11.21 | Agiofws | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports ? |
| 16:11.34 | Agiofws | whats wrong with that line? |
| 16:11.39 | jelly | Agiofws: yo forgot main contrib non-free |
| 16:12.26 | Agiofws | A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 16:12.33 | Dev0n | hey so an HD is almost near failing and I've booted in with a live linux cd, what do you guys recommend that I use to copy over everything from /sdaX to another remote server? |
| 16:12.37 | Dev0n | rsync? |
| 16:12.46 | Dev0n | that way, I don't need to worry about having forgot to copy something over |
| 16:13.01 | tremon | Dev0n: is it failing, or near failing? |
| 16:13.35 | Dev0n | tremon, file system check throws this error: SMART Failure Predicted on Hard Disk1 |
| 16:13.40 | Dev0n | and it won't boot into the os |
| 16:13.47 | Dev0n | I have managed to mount the hd and can acess the data |
| 16:13.53 | Dev0n | the host is looking to replace the hd |
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| 16:14.34 | tremon | Dev0n: it isn't entirely clear to me why that error would prevent a succesful boot, but assuming that the disk does not give errors while reading, just copying the data is fine |
| 16:15.12 | DingoSaar | Q: Where are the package priorities set in debian? |
| 16:15.13 | Dev0n | trem0r, any idea where I could look to see what the actual error is, would /var/log/boot doesn't seem to have anything meanifgul |
| 16:15.17 | Dev0n | tremon, |
| 16:15.18 | tremon | Dev0n: if the disk is having trouble reading some data, I'd recommend to use ddrescue instead. That's more "salvaging" than simply copying though |
| 16:15.29 | Dev0n | I'm able to read the data fine |
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| 16:15.35 | Dev0n | just weird that it can't boot into the OS |
| 16:15.38 | jelly | Agiofws: yes. And you'll need firmware, which is in non-free, so put everything in right away. |
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| 16:15.58 | Dev0n | and since I don't have physical access to the debain server, I can't mess around with other than through the shell |
| 16:16.00 | tremon | Dev0n assuming it's disk-related, maybe /var/log/fsck/* holds some info |
| 16:16.01 | jelly | Agiofws: you missed "main" from the line you quoted. |
| 16:16.09 | Dev0n | thanks I'll have a look |
| 16:16.10 | tremon | /var/log/boot has never worked on debian for me |
| 16:16.50 | jelly | tremon: that's one of the good things about systemd, all the boot-time console crap is consistently saved |
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| 16:17.34 | DingoSaar | or: how can I set the priority of a specific package? |
| 16:17.41 | Dev0n | humm fsck seems to be saying the sdaXs are clean |
| 16:17.45 | Dev0n | and only a few lines |
| 16:17.46 | tremon | DingoSaar: man apt_preferences |
| 16:17.52 | DingoSaar | tremon, tnx |
| 16:17.56 | jelly | DingoSaar: why (what's the goal)? |
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| 16:18.30 | tremon | Dev0n: no matter then, rescue your data first. Troubleshooting can come later |
| 16:18.38 | Dev0n | good point |
| 16:18.58 | Dev0n | I have mounted the sda to /mnt/data, can I just rsync all of /mnt/data to a remote server just to be safe? |
| 16:19.18 | Dev0n | is there a better tool I could use to transfer these over? |
| 16:19.38 | Agiofws | p linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-58 - Linux 3.16 for older PCs ? |
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| 16:21.01 | Agiofws | <jelly> Agiofws: remember to install the firmware from wheezy-backports together with the kernel ? |
| 16:21.02 | Agiofws | how? |
| 16:21.20 | petn-randall | tremon: It's not supposed to work, it's a log file. |
| 16:21.42 | tremon | Dev0n: the tool doesn't really matter. rsync may be easy if you already know it, but it has no advantage over tar+rcp or nfs/samba in terms of speed or performance for a single copy |
| 16:21.56 | Dev0n | gotcha |
| 16:22.05 | Dev0n | thanks for the info |
| 16:22.29 | petn-randall | tremon: You'll need bootlogd or something similar to actually write out the log. |
| 16:22.52 | tremon | petn-randall: even with bootlogd installed, it was always empty. Never cared enough to troubleshoot it though |
| 16:23.09 | petn-randall | I see. |
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| 16:23.20 | jelly | Agiofws: the same way you installed it the first time, only with -t wheezy-backports |
| 16:23.56 | Agiofws | aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` ? |
| 16:24.12 | jelly | that's the kernel |
| 16:24.21 | Dev0n | humm tremon |
| 16:24.30 | Dev0n | just noticed, in kern.log, I see these errors, end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 972775239... Buffer I/O error on device sda6, logical block 912... lost page write due to I/O error on sda6 |
| 16:24.32 | Dev0n | over and over |
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| 16:24.44 | jelly | Agiofws: did you install firmware for your atheros card at all? |
| 16:24.46 | Agiofws | Get: 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main firmware-linux-free all 3.2 [20.7 kB] ? |
| 16:24.47 | Dev0n | with a different sector each time |
| 16:25.01 | Agiofws | yes |
| 16:25.03 | Dev0n | sda6 is just a tmp partition I had |
| 16:25.31 | Agiofws | but that was only for usb devices so i did not even reboot to check |
| 16:25.31 | jelly | Agiofws: well then install it again now, just from wheezy-backports |
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| 16:26.18 | tremon | Dev0n: that would be the "failing" stage of the disk. It may also explain why the machine didn't come up after a reboot, a boot can take hours if the kernel tries to read/mount a bad section of the disk |
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| 16:26.35 | Dev0n | oooh tremon, now we're getting somewhere |
| 16:26.48 | Agiofws | doesn' t the kernel install its firmware automatically? |
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| 16:26.53 | Dev0n | ok so can I just git rid of sda6? |
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| 16:27.00 | Dev0n | or can I just assume that the disk is on its way otu |
| 16:27.03 | Dev0n | and have it replaced? |
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| 16:27.06 | Dev0n | get* |
| 16:27.07 | jelly | Agiofws: I have no idea |
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| 16:27.14 | jelly | but usually no |
| 16:27.26 | Dev0n | the life span of the hd has been over 4 years at least |
| 16:27.32 | tremon | Dev0n: you can umount it, and remove and reference to sda6 from fstab. But don't assume that the error will be confined to sda6 |
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| 16:27.47 | Dev0n | gotcha |
| 16:27.59 | Agiofws | how will i search for the kernels firmware ? |
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| 16:28.07 | Agiofws | apt-cache search ? |
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| 16:28.15 | Dev0n | best I just have the HD replaced for good measure |
| 16:28.18 | Dev0n | on with the backup :)! |
| 16:28.20 | DingoSaar | jelly, sorry. I want to "mask" systemd in the next upgrade. |
| 16:28.22 | tremon | Dev0n: even if they are now only in sda6, that won't stay. So yes, the disk is on its way out |
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| 16:28.30 | jelly | DingoSaar: mask? |
| 16:28.37 | Dev0n | great, thanks for info tremon |
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| 16:28.55 | tremon | DingoSaar: https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system |
| 16:28.58 | DingoSaar | jelly, in Gentoo, you put packages you do not know into /etc/portage/portage.mask |
| 16:29.10 | DingoSaar | tremon, thanks! |
| 16:29.18 | jelly | DingoSaar: if you don't want to install it just yet, read the release notes ^^ |
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| 16:29.28 | DingoSaar | ^know^want |
| 16:29.37 | Agiofws | why is it downloading all kernels? |
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| 16:31.12 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/zlF85tVa jelly ? |
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| 16:31.58 | jelly | Agiofws: looks fine |
| 16:32.08 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 16:32.30 | Agiofws | is it downloading the firmware aswell? |
| 16:32.47 | jelly | Agiofws: I don't see any firmware in the list. |
| 16:32.57 | jelly | !ath5k |
| 16:32.57 | dpkg | ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11a/bg wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For 802.11n PCI/PCIe device support, ask me about <ath9k>. |
| 16:33.15 | Agiofws | firmware-linux-free all 3.2 [20.7 kB] |
| 16:33.17 | jelly | Agiofws: perhaps your device driver does not actually need firmware |
| 16:33.37 | Agiofws | ok |
| 16:33.43 | buu | Is there any way to make: ssh host1 'ssh host2' DWIM ? |
| 16:34.02 | Agiofws | i thought you wre talking about f/w generally |
| 16:34.06 | jelly | buu: what DO you mean? |
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| 16:34.43 | jelly | Agiofws: well it's downloading that firmware-linux-free bit but those are not related to your ath5k driver |
| 16:34.47 | Walex | buu: 'man ssh' option '-S' |
| 16:35.05 | Agiofws | ok |
| 16:35.21 | folivora | Hi, I am running Debian Jessie, I am having blackscreen on returning from suspend. I hear that fans, disks do start but screen stays black, there is no error in pm-suspend.log. |
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| 16:36.05 | folivora | Anyone got any ideas where to look solution... |
| 16:36.07 | jelly | folivora: does the machine answer to ping (if you have a static ip and wired ethernet)? |
| 16:36.41 | folivora | jelly: machine has static ip and it is not answering ping. |
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| 16:36.53 | folivora | + has wired ethernet |
| 16:37.02 | jelly | folivora: you wouldn't have a serial console as well? :-) |
| 16:37.06 | DingoSaar | tremon, your link was very helpful |
| 16:37.17 | Agiofws | folivora, gpu driver? |
| 16:37.39 | buu | Walex: Um. |
| 16:38.02 | jelly | buu: what do you expect that command to do, and what does it actually do? |
| 16:38.04 | DingoSaar | I often wish Gentoo and debian would implement the things the other one does better... like package masking in Gentoo, a dselect-like minimalistic frontend in Debian... |
| 16:38.09 | Agiofws | use open vga drivers not propitiatory ones |
| 16:38.48 | buu | jelly: I want machine A to ssh into machine B then ssh into machine C and act like I had just ssh'd from A to C |
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| 16:39.01 | buu | But I'm trying to avoid the extra ssh forwarding command on machine b |
| 16:39.06 | jelly | Agiofws: amusingly nouveau driver crashes my machine at home after 1-2 suspends, and nvidia blobs works for 5-7 times |
| 16:39.21 | jelly | buu: what forwarding? |
| 16:39.34 | buu | ? |
| 16:39.37 | buu | ssh forwarding |
| 16:39.42 | folivora | jelly: sry no serial console -.-. Agiofws I have nvidia's driver; 340.65-2 installed from repositories... |
| 16:40.00 | buu | ssh 'ssh' doesn't work because it refuses to allocate a pty |
| 16:40.12 | jelly | buu: ssh A 'ssh B' <- no forwarding there. |
| 16:40.20 | buu | jelly: Yes thats my point |
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| 16:40.46 | buu | I'm trying to avoid configuring forwarding |
| 16:40.52 | folivora | I've exported PM_DEBUG=true, it looks nicely that it goes to suspend but there is not (or should there be) when it comes our from suspend... |
| 16:40.54 | jelly | buu: you probably want to force allocation of tty. |
| 16:40.55 | buu | Thus using the method that has no forwarding |
| 16:41.07 | buu | This sounds like a plan but I don't see it in the man page.. |
| 16:41.12 | jelly | buu: -t |
| 16:41.14 | jelly | and -tt |
| 16:41.16 | buu | OH |
| 16:41.19 | buu | its tty not pty |
| 16:41.40 | Lope | the manpage viewer on my debian 7 wheezy server is really dodgy compared to the one I have on ubuntu. Is there a way to change it? |
| 16:41.40 | jelly | yes it's the same thing, except when it isn't |
| 16:41.52 | buu | Hey, nifty. |
| 16:42.15 | buu | jelly: Now if only my WAP would just route packets between the two wireless machines in the first place and I didn't have to do this =] |
| 16:42.19 | Lope | There's just a dodgy button that says more, and it only scrolls down. hehe, doesn't appear to be a search etc. |
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| 16:43.22 | jelly | Lope: install "less" |
| 16:43.54 | jelly | less is more than more |
| 16:44.16 | greycat | less is also priority: standard... he must have done a bare bones install |
| 16:44.39 | jelly | tasks are for wimps. |
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| 16:46.42 | Lope | greycat: yeah netinstall |
| 16:47.24 | greycat | net install followed by un-checking the "install standard stuff" box, I guess.... |
| 16:48.06 | jelly | or a connectionless one |
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| 16:49.04 | Lope | who knows. all good. I prefer to just install stuff I like. |
| 16:49.34 | jelly | you probably like less |
| 16:50.22 | Lope | haha I do, so I've installed it! :) |
| 16:50.44 | Lope | I like htop too, and many other packages. |
| 16:51.01 | jelly | htop sucks atop FOREVA |
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| 17:15.15 | vfoley | I have llvm 3.4 and 3.5 installed. llvm-* commands are symlinks to the 3.5 tools; is there a command (something like update-alternatives) to switch them all to the 3.4 toolchain? |
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| 17:31.16 | farhan | hi all. I've just finished an install for latest debian release with xfce4. However I cant get the sound to work. When I click on "Mixer" I get "GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing. It may also be a permissions problem.". lspci shows "Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)". |
| 17:31.44 | penna | farhan, are u in the audio group? |
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| 17:32.02 | farhan | penna: let me check |
| 17:32.08 | penna | groups <user> |
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| 17:32.53 | farhan | farhan : farhan cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev |
| 17:33.25 | penna | do u have alsa-utils installed... for command alsamixer? |
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| 17:34.32 | farhan | penna: yep, but when I execute it it comes up with: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument |
| 17:35.15 | penna | is same error when u do it as root? |
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| 17:36.01 | farhan | penna: shall i do sudo alsamixer or change to root first? |
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| 17:36.16 | rainfyre | sudo |
| 17:36.44 | farhan | rainfyre: thanks. Same error as before |
| 17:36.55 | rainfyre | shoot |
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| 17:37.45 | farhan | rainfyre: that gives command not found :S |
| 17:38.05 | penna | but us use the debian kernel, no self compiled? |
| 17:38.08 | rainfyre | haha, that might be a good thing |
| 17:39.05 | farhan | penna: I installed with this iso: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
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| 17:39.25 | farhan | Then did apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies |
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| 17:39.39 | rainfyre | that all looks right |
| 17:39.43 | penna | alsamixer as root should do something... |
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| 17:40.32 | farhan | I didnt install gnome at the installation stage as its a bit slow on my other computer |
| 17:40.55 | rainfyre | that's normally how I do it too |
| 17:41.42 | farhan | hmm |
| 17:42.10 | farhan | So ive not done anything wrong there. Do I need drivers? How do I check if there is a driver for the card? |
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| 17:43.30 | greycat | farhan: typically, I'd look for anything that looks audio-related in the output of dmesg. |
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| 17:45.30 | farhan | greycat: theres alot of this: hda_codec: num_steps = 0 for NID=0xc (ctl = Front Playback Volume) if it helps |
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| 17:47.57 | farhan | Do I have to install pulseaudio? |
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| 17:57.28 | farhan | How can I tell which version of debian I have. I have 7.8 but is that sqeeze? |
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| 17:57.37 | greycat | 7.8 is wheezy |
| 17:58.05 | farhan | Ok cool. I need this apparently after searching: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=alsa-driver |
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| 17:58.21 | farhan | But it says sqeeze |
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| 18:02.21 | yareckon | hey folks, wanted to ask what the hdmedia images are ? Are those usb disk images? |
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| 18:31.34 | TrFaSu | i want to use a custom configuration file for an installed software. how to do that? should i make changes to THAT configuration file or make a new one? HELP! |
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| 18:32.54 | TrFaSu | ? |
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| 18:33.28 | TrFaSu | any1? |
| 18:33.37 | greycat | It totally depends on the software. |
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| 18:36.13 | TrFaSu | but it says u can have your custom configuration file |
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| 18:36.24 | greycat | Which software is it? |
| 18:37.30 | TrFaSu | zmap |
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| 18:38.04 | TrFaSu | fast internet scanner |
| 18:38.22 | greycat | this? https://zmap.io/documentation.html |
| 18:38.28 | TrFaSu | yup! |
| 18:38.46 | greycat | if so, here's the section you want: https://zmap.io/documentation.html#config |
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| 18:40.24 | TrFaSu | yeah! i read that. n there is a zmap.conf file in conf folder. should i change acoording to my specifics |
| 18:41.03 | greycat | Unless there's more documentation elsewhere, it looks like you HAVE to supply the --config=filename option to use a config file. |
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| 18:42.09 | TrFaSu | --config=pathTOfile like this? |
| 18:42.41 | TrFaSu | i mean path to that conf file? |
| 18:43.06 | greycat | I'm just going by what it says on that one page. I know nothing else about this program. |
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| 18:44.54 | TrFaSu | anyways,,,thanxxx for yr time greycat: |
| 18:45.01 | TrFaSu | :-) |
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| 18:53.02 | Agiofws | i was advised to upgrade my kernel because i was getting disconnects from my wifi atheros card but now when i try to suspend my machine the screen won't turn on again do you have any ideas on how to fix this? thank you Linux P4 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt7-1~bpo70+1 (2015-04-07) i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:10.01 | pranith | Hi, I am trying to use the ARM64 debian installer in qemu-system-aarch64... I am getting a failed to find network error(and no gui, only console). Is there any documentation on how I can do this? |
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| 19:12.46 | DammitJim | what is the recommended way to set up a debian server with shared "home" folders integrated with a Windows Domain? |
| 19:12.59 | DammitJim | you know, the whole "home folder mapping" for a user |
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| 19:38.26 | cdb23ax | hello can someone tell me how i can export the private ssl key from my ssl certifacte to linux? |
| 19:38.44 | cdb23ax | in windows it is marked as non exportable |
| 19:38.52 | cdb23ax | is there a hack available to do this? |
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| 19:39.40 | cdb23ax | the #windows-server community cant help me |
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| 19:43.27 | blackflow | cdb23ax: I don't know about windows but if there's an openssl binary for it, you can use that |
| 19:43.47 | cdb23ax | k i found mimikatz_trunk |
| 19:43.50 | cdb23ax | i ll try it |
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| 19:49.47 | maurer | Is there a way to do a user-level apt installation? |
| 19:50.09 | greycat | no |
| 19:50.14 | maurer | :( |
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| 19:54.36 | Iridos | maurer, you can unpack the archive |
| 19:55.23 | maurer | Iridos: Yeah, I was hoping there was a way to install into like, ~/.local/usr/lib or something to allow me to more easily build software on an environment where I don't have root |
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| 19:55.37 | maurer | e.g. to do the equivalent of sudo apt-get install libcurl-dev |
| 19:55.51 | maurer | since instead I end up having to hunt every package individually, and do a ./configure --prefix= |
| 19:55.55 | maurer | and build it |
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| 19:56.02 | Iridos | but that's the point, isn't it |
| 19:56.14 | maurer | ? |
| 19:56.21 | greycat | sudo apt-get build-dep curl # or whatever |
| 19:56.41 | maurer | greycat: the problem is I don't have sudo on said system |
| 19:56.41 | Iridos | when you do ./configure --prefix=something, some programs hard-code "something" into the program |
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| 19:57.08 | maurer | Iridos: sure, but I could imagine apt having the power to do the equivalent of apt-get source on each package in turn |
| 19:57.11 | karlpinc | maurer: And you don't have the root password? |
| 19:57.12 | maurer | then build them with the prefix |
| 19:57.17 | maurer | karlpinc: It is a shared system |
| 19:57.22 | maurer | karlpinc: (no) |
| 19:57.31 | greycat | Do your development on a box where you *do* have privileges? It'll make life easier. |
| 19:57.41 | maurer | karlpinc: Well, I'll be explicit. I'm trying to move to containerized builds on travis |
| 19:58.06 | maurer | karlpinc: their containerized model denies sudo |
| 19:58.26 | maurer | karlpinc: so I effectively need to pull in dependencies into a custom env in my homedir |
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| 20:02.07 | jhutchins_wk | maurer: Apt is not meant for that. |
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| 20:02.44 | greycat | Man, I don't know what these "containers" are that people keep going on about, but either they seem to be pretty crappy, or people are totally using them wrong. |
| 20:02.47 | jhutchins_wk | marius267: shared servers and user installed local packages are a rarity these days. |
| 20:03.00 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Or both. |
| 20:03.31 | carp | rainfyre: And the wifi is a-working baby! Thankyou very much rainfyre for guiding me through the wifi install. it was very valuable for me. |
| 20:03.54 | rainfyre | carp: awesome :) and you're welcome. Hope the rest of your day is wonderful too! |
| 20:04.17 | maurer | greycat: containers are actually pretty convenient - they're basically super lightweight vms |
| 20:04.26 | carp | rainfyre: ha, this was what i been doing all day. bedtime soon |
| 20:04.35 | maurer | greycat: the problem is that containers are not (yet) security isolated - if you really try, you may be able to escape |
| 20:04.43 | greycat | So install the dev tools you need inside your lightweight vms. |
| 20:04.51 | maurer | greycat: Yes, and this is what I do locally |
| 20:05.44 | maurer | greycat: travis-ci, which is what I have been trying to use for automated testing, will boot up some stock containers and run your commands inside them, but can't give you sudo, because you might be able to escape |
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| 20:08.33 | D-Boy | Hello, I have a 'strange' bug or misconfiguration, Since this morning i begin to see problems when connecting to my servers through sftp (filezilla & sublimetext (sftp plugins)) filezilla refuses to get files, and sublimetext timeout on syncing) both on different root accounts, when i tried ST on a non root account it worked as usual, any idea ? (i'm on jessie & gnome3 desktop) |
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| 20:09.40 | ahop | Hi! |
| 20:09.50 | ahop | How to change the default directory when I login from SSH |
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| 20:10.13 | ahop | When I log in / SSH, I arrive at a bash prompt... How can I change default dir ? |
| 20:10.49 | greycat | You start in your home directory. If you want to start somewhere else, you can put a cd command in your shell's appropriate dot file (~/.bash_profile or similar). |
| 20:12.01 | ahop | ~/.bashrc ? |
| 20:12.02 | apt | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells (e.g. xterm). To make sure it's read by a login shell (e.g. console or sshd), put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
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| 20:13.18 | ahop | apt I don't have any .bash_profile |
| 20:13.19 | apt | You don't have any .bash_profile? |
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| 20:13.30 | greycat | Are you ssh'ing in as root? |
| 20:13.34 | ahop | yea |
| 20:13.38 | D-Boy | ahop: apt is a bot :) |
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| 20:13.42 | greycat | root has .profile instead of .bash_profile |
| 20:13.52 | greycat | and don't ssh in as root unless you really have to |
| 20:14.02 | oMega_2093 | SSH as root, bad idea. |
| 20:14.12 | ahop | D-Boy ohh ok, that's why he answered in 1 µsecond ;) |
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| 20:14.43 | Raazeer | hi all, I need some pointers on how to get my audio system back on track. |
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| 20:15.10 | ahop | what's the risk of SSH as root? |
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| 20:15.23 | ahop | if NSA cracks my SSH connection ? :) |
| 20:15.34 | Raazeer | I've already installed pretty much everything that anybody on the net recommends, and I've found out that I need to use pavucontrol to configure it. |
| 20:16.11 | Raazeer | problem now is, pavucontrol shows me the hdmi audio output of my video card, but not the built-in sound card. |
| 20:16.47 | Raazeer | when I open alsamixer, I can see the integrated sound card in the devices list. |
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| 20:16.50 | ahop | thanks about bashrc, it works |
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| 20:17.32 | greycat | .bashrc is not the best place for this, because it will be executed on EVERY new instance of bash, including subshells spawned by shell escpaes in vi, rxvt/xterm windows, etc. |
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| 20:18.01 | ahop | hum ok I'll investigate this |
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| 20:19.09 | Raazeer | can anyone give me any pointers on how to get pulse to recognize my regular sound card? |
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| 20:20.05 | greycat | still doesn't know what pulse is |
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| 20:20.26 | Raazeer | greycat, I can't say that I do. |
| 20:21.02 | greycat | well, based on what dpkg says about it, I'd skip it and get sound working normally (alsa) before trying to layer pulse on top |
| 20:21.02 | maurer | greycat: pulse is a usermode audio server, whose original claim to fame was that it could route audio from one machine to another |
| 20:21.02 | Raazeer | for me it's "that stuff they shoved up my nose that broke my perfectly good sound setup" |
| 20:21.16 | greycat | who's "they"? |
| 20:21.30 | Raazeer | greycat, I have no idea, and that's just well. |
| 20:21.36 | greycat | so remove it |
| 20:21.38 | maurer | greycat: pulse may improve sound quality over raw alsa, but will not go from "sound won't work with alsa" to "sound works with pulse", since pulse uses alsa |
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| 20:21.45 | mtn | Raazeer: the archlinux wiki has a very good pulseaudio section and there is also #pulseaudio on this irc server |
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| 20:21.59 | Raazeer | maurer, why would anyone want to route sound from one machine to another? |
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| 20:22.21 | maurer | Raazeer: My use case for this was that we had courtyard speakers at my ugrad |
| 20:22.33 | maurer | Raazeer: We set it up as a pulse sink and people could route music from their laptops to it |
| 20:22.47 | maurer | (this is not the modern common use of it) |
| 20:22.52 | maurer | (I don't even know if it can do this anymore) |
| 20:23.06 | Raazeer | maurer, ok, I guess if dig deep enough, there's going to be SOME use case for everything. |
| 20:23.22 | Raazeer | how many fist fights came from it? |
| 20:23.31 | maurer | None. |
| 20:24.04 | greycat | How many students actually managed to get linux installed, then get pulse installed, then get pulse set to use those speakers? |
| 20:24.21 | Raazeer | greycat, you may be up to something there... |
| 20:24.28 | DammitJim | is it normal to have just 1 partition when using LVM? |
| 20:25.05 | greycat | Seems like a waste of time to set up LVM if you're not going to use it for LVs. |
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| 20:26.30 | DammitJim | greycat, no, I am going to use it for LVs |
| 20:26.43 | DammitJim | I just didn't know if there are reasons to have other partitions for other LVs |
| 20:26.49 | damiox | hi, I'm using network-manager to manage my wifi connection, and I see that after rebooting the machine, I have to rmmod && modprobe my module again (i'm using a intel board so I have the propietary firmware pkg updated) and sometimes I have to play with putting the radio off/on to make it work. I haven't found a pattern so far to know why this is not working. Still researching. Any insight? I even removed network-manager and tried with wicd but I came |
| 20:26.50 | damiox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.56 | greycat | OK, then it's perfectly normal to have LVM set up with just one small LV to start, and a whole lotta space available. |
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| 20:27.49 | damiox | in the log files I found that it keeps trying to authenticate. I put a static ip address, and it worked sometimes. It's weird. I'm so confused... |
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| 20:29.58 | kWO901 | I have auto trim setup at boot time. However after the system booted up, I did a manual trim and 430940160 were trimmed. is that normal? does the automatic trim script work ? |
| 20:30.20 | Raazeer | maurer, a pacmd list reveals that pulse knows nothing about my built-in sound card, but the arch wiki troubleshooting session just says "restart the pulse server" essentially. |
| 20:30.41 | Raazeer | maurer, you seem to have some experience with this, can you give me any pointers on how to make the sound card known to pulse? |
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| 20:31.13 | Iridos | Raazeer, can you use it if you're not running pulse? |
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| 20:31.40 | Raazeer | Iridos, not running as in "pulseaudio -k"? |
| 20:31.51 | Iridos | for example |
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| 20:32.35 | Iridos | there really seems little point debugging stuff in the pulse layer if the underlying things already don't work |
| 20:33.35 | maurer | Raazeer: Yeah, confirm you can ply sounds without pulse first |
| 20:33.43 | maurer | Raazeer: since pulse uses alsa to speak to the soundcard |
| 20:34.09 | Raazeer | Iridos, maurer, good point, and the answer is: no I can't play sound without pulse either. |
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| 20:34.49 | Raazeer | strange thing about it is that alsamixer sees the sound card. It shows up in alsamixer. |
| 20:34.59 | Iridos | Raazeer, we had a checklist in pre-pulse times that you can still see with /msg dpkg alsa checklist ... but it's a bit outdated... there is still an audio group and you will have to add yourself to it for testing, but on my wheezy system only pulse is in the audio group |
| 20:35.01 | Raazeer | I take it that I need to go debug alsa instead of pulse then? |
| 20:35.04 | maurer | Raazeer: is it unmuted/volumed up? |
| 20:35.08 | maurer | Raazeer: after that, try aplay |
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| 20:36.11 | Iridos | Raazeer, some of the stuff seems a bit outdated... I think you can still walk down that list for causes |
| 20:37.22 | Iridos | also do the fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer (as root) from the "list alsa users" factoid... that would be a classic |
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| 20:37.45 | Dev0n | hey, if a system has any sort of raid, that's apparent as you will see /dev/mdX right? |
| 20:37.52 | Dev0n | instead of /dev/sdaX |
| 20:37.57 | valdyn | Dev0n: no |
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| 20:38.11 | Dev0n | valdyn, how could I tell if it has raid? |
| 20:38.17 | Dev0n | or if the hds are i nraid |
| 20:38.29 | valdyn | Dev0n: theoretically - not at all |
| 20:38.37 | Raazeer | Iridos, did that, it showed pulse and nobody else. |
| 20:38.38 | valdyn | Dev0n: practically you look at the hardware |
| 20:38.53 | Dev0n | valdyn, wish I could but it's remote |
| 20:39.03 | Dev0n | I assumed there was some file I could check to see if it was in raid |
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| 20:39.09 | valdyn | Dev0n: lspci is one "remote" way |
| 20:39.09 | Dev0n | fdisk et la |
| 20:39.23 | valdyn | Dev0n: hardware raid is transparent to the os, it cant see it |
| 20:39.32 | Dev0n | oh I think it's software raid |
| 20:39.48 | Dev0n | (if it did exsist, it would be software raid) |
| 20:39.58 | valdyn | !dmraid |
| 20:39.58 | dpkg | Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 20:40.05 | Dev0n | I'm just thinking, I see a lot of sdaX but only a sdb in /dev/ |
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| 20:40.18 | valdyn | Dev0n: mdraid is /dev/mdX, everything else is not |
| 20:40.20 | Dev0n | which means sdb haven't been partitioned so it can't be in any sort of raid |
| 20:40.21 | Dev0n | or even use |
| 20:40.28 | Raazeer | Iridos, "purge all oss packages" will hurt me particularly since I'll have to purge mpg123 |
| 20:40.45 | valdyn | Dev0n: dmraid is probably some other device names, but all have /dev/dm-0, except physical disks and hardware raid |
| 20:41.06 | Dev0n | humm, I don't see and mdX so it may not be mdraid |
| 20:41.17 | Dev0n | I do so sda sda1 sda2 sda... but only a single sdb |
| 20:41.21 | Dev0n | see* |
| 20:41.23 | valdyn | Dev0n: cat /proc/mdstat knows about mdraid |
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| 20:41.40 | jhutchins_wk | A survey of experienced system builders and admins a few years ago suggested that $350 was the price point where you started to get decent reliability and actual performance increases with RAID 5. |
| 20:41.53 | Dev0n | valdyn, no mdstat in proc |
| 20:41.57 | Dev0n | guess not setup uwith mdraid |
| 20:42.05 | Dev0n | and unlikly any raid at all by the sound of it? |
| 20:42.16 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: that number sounds as good as any |
| 20:42.37 | valdyn | Dev0n: probably |
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| 20:43.02 | Dev0n | cool, thanks |
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| 20:43.40 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: at which price point do you get hardware checksumming on that raid? |
| 20:44.03 | maurer | I generally prefer software raid anyways, otherwise it's much more difficult to recover |
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| 20:44.23 | maurer | (in the case where something bad happens to the machine) |
| 20:44.55 | Dev0n | maurer, much more difficult to recover when using non-software raid? |
| 20:44.59 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: Probably below that point, and prices continue to drop. |
| 20:45.10 | valdyn | well, certainly not here |
| 20:45.28 | valdyn | cant even get a decent non-raid controller (aka fake-raid controller) at that price point |
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| 20:45.36 | maurer | Dev0n: If you have a hardware raid controller, and it goes kaput |
| 20:45.44 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: "Here" being? |
| 20:45.48 | maurer | Dev0n: you generally need to buy a new one of that exact model |
| 20:45.49 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: germany |
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| 20:45.56 | jhutchins_wk | I haven't had to worry about buying hardware in about ten years. |
| 20:46.08 | Dev0n | maurer, wow, would have thought manuf. would have accounted for such risks? |
| 20:46.21 | Dev0n | where a controller within a certain range would be "OK" |
| 20:46.24 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: When I was in Britain hardware was considerably higher than the US. |
| 20:46.32 | valdyn | Dev0n: generally, if you buy hw raid, you need to be a backup controller or make sure you can buy one later.. |
| 20:46.45 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: yea, that sounds right |
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| 20:47.16 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: but - prices *here* (in europe) are generally labeled including all taxes, i found that is not the case in the usa |
| 20:47.17 | Dev0n | ahh valdyn |
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| 20:47.36 | Iridos | Raazeer, not sure what that is supposed to accomplish exactly... seems to me oss programs could block the alsa sound device by having the oss device open (which you checked - btw, fuser only shows your own processes if you're not root)... or prevent the snd* alsa drivers from loading by being loaded first (or could so around 2000... I'd suspect these days there are only alsa sound drivers in the 3.x kernels anymore??) |
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| 20:48.54 | valdyn | Dev0n: because different controllers are not interchangable (with h/w raid) |
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| 20:49.13 | Dev0n | valdyn, I was thinking maybe from the same company but a different version of the controller |
| 20:49.20 | Dev0n | I guess it might just be a hit or miss if it would work |
| 20:49.32 | Dev0n | like the 2015 model instead of 2014 |
| 20:50.07 | Raazeer | maurer, Iridos, so far I've killed pulseaudio about a dozen times and tried alsactl init once or twice. |
| 20:50.11 | valdyn | Dev0n: this is why companies pay insane prices for things , just to have the guarantee that it is replacable.. |
| 20:50.11 | Raazeer | I'm out of ideas. |
| 20:50.31 | Dev0n | gotcha |
| 20:50.50 | Raazeer | maurer, Iridos, also pulseaudio seems to restart on its own. |
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| 20:52.43 | valdyn | Raazeer: that is probably why there is "pulseaudio --kill" |
| 20:53.45 | Raazeer | valdyn, very funny. I know -k kills it, but what if it won't stay dead? Will you tell a man plagued by zombies "that's why there are graves"? |
| 20:53.50 | Iridos | valdyn, that acts the same |
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| 20:54.19 | Iridos | funnily what restarts is hidden, because it's daemonized and init has become the parent |
| 20:54.28 | sydney_untangle | Raazeer: Are you from GRLUG? |
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| 20:54.41 | Raazeer | sydney_untangle, wut? |
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| 20:54.57 | axel_fly | sad that debian jessie will be released without gnome-software-center |
| 20:55.02 | sydney_untangle | Raazeer: Nothign ,there is someone i know with a similiar issue right now. |
| 20:55.11 | zinx | axel_fly: is it? |
| 20:55.19 | sydney_untangle | zinx: axel_fly Yep. |
| 20:55.27 | sydney_untangle | or software-center |
| 20:55.40 | Raazeer | Iridos, interesting. funny thing is I _could_ theoretically just uninstall pulseaudio without getting too deep into trouble, but I don't think that would solve the underlying problems. |
| 20:56.07 | axel_fly | its in sid. |
| 20:56.50 | Iridos | Raazeer, not really, if it's pulled in by e.g. the gnome metapackage... but I guess you can just do mv /usr/bin/pulseaudio /usr/bin/pulseaudio.x for a moment and then move it back after you've tested without pulse |
| 20:57.28 | Raazeer | Iridos, if there's no real reason to have pulse (I'm not using gnome) then I can just as well kick it out and save some space and ressources. |
| 20:57.46 | axel_fly | i compiled it on my machine, but the AppStream metadata left |
| 20:57.47 | Raazeer | I can always reinstall it later if I need it. |
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| 20:58.12 | Iridos | pulse is quite great, if it works... allowing e.g. separate volume control for separate processes |
| 20:58.38 | Iridos | I'd also think this is what has solved the problem of one process locking up the sound device |
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| 20:59.01 | axel_fly | zinx, sydney_untangle: why they couldnt add metadata? here i found a post: http://blog.tenstral.net/2014/11/the-state-of-appstreamgnome-software-in-debian-jessie.html |
| 20:59.16 | Raazeer | Iridos, I also think pulse is a nifty idea, so's jack and alsa for that matter, and so was oss. |
| 20:59.38 | Raazeer | problem is, their niftiness drops steeply if they stop working... |
| 20:59.39 | Iridos | I used to hate pulse because it didn't work for so long |
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| 20:59.46 | oMega_2093 | Hi guys, anyone using Exim on a Debian server? |
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| 21:00.16 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone using Exim on a Debian server? |
| 21:00.17 | dpkg | No, no one uses Exim on a Debian server, not even the people who use it. |
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| 21:00.46 | axel_fly | i had helped to include gnome-software, asked many time. but no response. |
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| 21:01.30 | axel_fly | dpkg: XD :) |
| 21:01.30 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, axel_fly |
| 21:01.48 | Kyle001 | Hum, guys, got a BIG problem. Looks like someone accessed to my computer. I knew it after running rkhunter. /usr/bin/dpkg and /usr/bin/dpkg-query have been modified when I wasn't at home, and my computer was off. I sure about it. Is there a way to know what are the modifications ? |
| 21:02.00 | Kyle001 | I'm sure * |
| 21:02.15 | Raazeer | Iridos, I'll call it a day, I'm dog tired. No good digging around in the guts of a system when you're not at 100%. |
| 21:02.36 | Raazeer | thanks for all the pointers. |
| 21:03.11 | axel_fly | Kyle001: call the n-s-a they should know who does it |
| 21:03.32 | Iridos | Raazeer, have a good night, then |
| 21:04.23 | Raazeer | Iridos, what do you know, we have ignition if not liftoff yet. |
| 21:04.45 | Kyle001 | I'm not here to joke. Dpkg has been modified when my computer should has been shut down. |
| 21:04.52 | mtn | Kyle001: if someone has faked the file modification times, then you should really reinstall. no other way to be sure. |
| 21:04.56 | Raazeer | don't ask me why but an alsactl init --force at least got it to emit white noise again. |
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| 21:06.08 | Iridos | that's all a sound system has to do anyway :) |
| 21:06.16 | Kyle001 | mtn : I was thinking about local modification. I'm not talking about faking file modification, but someone who accessed my HDD when I wasn't there. It's technically possible because my drive isn't encrypted and I live with another persons. |
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| 21:06.31 | Raazeer | Iridos, nothing else has any sound yet, but it's definitely a response. |
| 21:06.50 | valdyn | Kyle001: how do you know it was modified? |
| 21:07.21 | teraflop | Kyle001: are you sure? are you 100% sure it's not a false positive due a pebcak setting up rkhunter properly? |
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| 21:07.31 | Kyle001 | http://pastebin.com/BncBS7nP |
| 21:07.46 | Kyle001 | I wasn't at home 09-Apr-2015 08:57:07, I'm sure about it |
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| 21:08.07 | valdyn | Kyle001: look at the dates |
| 21:08.18 | valdyn | Kyle001: there was a few updates to dpkg in that period |
| 21:08.37 | valdyn | Kyle001: between june 2014 and april 2015 |
| 21:08.59 | Kyle001 | The problem is that my computer wasn't on 09-Apr-2015 08:57:07. |
| 21:09.15 | Kyle001 | wasn't turned on * |
| 21:09.19 | Raazeer | anyhow, enough for now before I find a way to make things worse. |
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| 21:09.27 | Raazeer | g'night all. |
| 21:09.42 | teraflop | good nigh Raazeer |
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| 21:10.55 | Kyle001 | I also checked the file /usr/bin/dpkg, and its modification date is 04/09/2015 too |
| 21:11.17 | Kyle001 | So the problem doesn't come from rkhunter |
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| 21:12.15 | Kyle001 | So : is it possible to infect dpkg with a malware ? |
| 21:12.47 | valdyn | Kyle001: the modification time is stored in the debian package! |
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| 21:12.50 | teraflop | youre telling us that since the computer was powered off someone went to your home, for simply hacking you the dpkg binary? |
| 21:13.16 | zinx | centipedes? in MY dpkg?! |
| 21:13.34 | teraflop | Kyle001: damn you have to be so important |
| 21:13.35 | Iridos | Kyle001, well, compare your dpkg to the versions in the archive |
| 21:13.51 | valdyn | Kyle001: which debian release is this btw? |
| 21:13.59 | Kyle001 | Wheezy |
| 21:14.02 | zinx | Kyle001: boot from optical media and use debsums |
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| 21:14.11 | valdyn | Kyle001: ok, ill show you a wheezy mtime |
| 21:14.17 | valdyn | Kyle001: which arch? |
| 21:14.25 | Kyle001 | amd64 |
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| 21:15.05 | Iridos | Kyle001, and which version of dpkg? |
| 21:15.35 | Kyle001 | Hum... how do I get it ? |
| 21:15.53 | teraflop | ^ |
| 21:16.04 | Kyle001 | ...With dpkg itself ? Ha ha. Version: 1.16.16 |
| 21:16.07 | Iridos | Kyle001, well... with dpkg -l dpkg :D |
| 21:16.16 | Iridos | but if you dont want to run it... well... |
| 21:16.29 | Iridos | judd, versions dpkg |
| 21:16.30 | judd | Package: dpkg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.15.11; squeeze: 1.15.11; wheezy: 1.16.15; wheezy-security: 1.16.16; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.16.16; jessie: 1.17.25; sid: 1.17.25 |
| 21:17.53 | Iridos | Kyle001, Apr 9 08:57 is normal for that version |
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| 21:18.44 | teraflop | Kyle001: do you have PKGMGR=DPKG? |
| 21:19.36 | Kyle001 | Really ? But, what does this date represent ? The date when it is installed on my computer or the date when this version is released, or something like that ? |
| 21:19.39 | HSorgYves | morning... when i access my debian server through ssh, the keyboard layout is fine, however when I access it through a Java client which uses an Avocent DSR2020 it is completely messed... anyone an idea hwo to get it working there? |
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| 21:19.57 | Iridos | Kyle001, congratulations, you apparently found the security update from version 1.16.15 to 1.16.16 |
| 21:20.43 | centrx | What security update will you find next? |
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| 21:20.58 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 21:21.15 | Agiofws | i was advised to upgrade my kernel because i was getting disconnects from my wifi atheros card but now when i try to suspend my machine the screen won't turn on again do you have any ideas on how to fix this? thank you Linux P4 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt7-1~bpo70+1 (2015-04-07) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:21.25 | Agiofws | can anyone help me figure this one out? |
| 21:21.32 | T0ast` | Why won't the installer find an available wireless network? |
| 21:22.21 | Iridos | Kyle001, it's the creation date the file got in the archive |
| 21:22.36 | Iridos | creation/access/modify... |
| 21:22.38 | T0ast` | I typed in the SSID and passphrase and it said it failed |
| 21:22.40 | Iridos | well, not access.. |
| 21:23.00 | Kyle001 | Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that's why. I must be a little bit paranoid. |
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| 21:23.17 | teraflop | yes only a little ... |
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| 21:24.02 | Kyle001 | But my roommates aren't really trustworthy. |
| 21:24.39 | Iridos | Kyle001, well, if that checksum is supposed to be a md5sum, it's not matching the one for my dpkg (/me fans the fire) |
| 21:24.52 | teraflop | xD |
| 21:24.58 | Agiofws | can anyone take a look at my powersave.log ? to see whats wrong and my system won't recover from system suspend ? http://codepad.org/LC05R745 ? |
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| 21:25.30 | Kyle001 | I tried the same thing and got a different checksum too. Maybe rkhunter doesn't use md5sum, but sha. |
| 21:25.45 | Iridos | possible |
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| 21:25.57 | Kyle001 | http://www.nellump.net/rkhunter-checksum-methods.html |
| 21:26.04 | Kyle001 | "while rkhunter's default checksum method is SHA1" |
| 21:26.19 | Kyle001 | Ha! |
| 21:26.44 | Iridos | you might try not to be alarmed on every security update... |
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| 21:27.43 | teraflop | Kyle001: do you have PKGMGR=DPKG? |
| 21:27.52 | teraflop | in the rkhunter config? |
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| 21:31.38 | TrFaSu | Help plzzz I. moved my home folder to /usr/local/bin by mistake... Any help plzzz |
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| 21:32.11 | format_c | the folder or the content of your home folder? |
| 21:32.45 | TrFaSu | Full folder.. ð |
| 21:32.53 | Iridos | who is this plzzz |
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| 21:33.23 | format_c | should be please I guess |
| 21:33.35 | Cronix | Hi all, please help, i just setup a kvm host on debian wheezy and trying to get a debian guest working with networking, the host seems fine to me, the guest just fails to enable post-up triggers on the networking side. eth0 is up but missing from /etc/network/run/ifstate. on the host everything works fine (both the same debian version) |
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| 21:33.52 | format_c | -NickServ- plzzz is not registered. |
| 21:33.56 | format_c | :-) |
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| 21:34.08 | Iridos | format_c, your opportunity! |
| 21:34.17 | format_c | Come on plzzz |
| 21:34.55 | TrFaSu | fotmat_c and not able to open my desktop folder, |
| 21:35.05 | format_c | TrFaSu, so again. The folder or all it's contents? |
| 21:35.24 | TrFaSu | Contents |
| 21:35.36 | TrFaSu | All of its contents |
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| 21:37.18 | format_c | copy it back and delete the few binaries out of it |
| 21:37.19 | TrFaSu | format_c : any help |
| 21:37.26 | format_c | /usr/local/bin shouldn't contain too much |
| 21:37.31 | format_c | on a Debian |
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| 21:37.56 | Iridos | nothing that one didn't onself put there |
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| 21:38.07 | Iridos | debian packages don't touch /usr/local |
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| 21:39.06 | Iridos | TrFaSu, actually... three words: restore from backups |
| 21:39.07 | TrFaSu | format_c got it back but still my desktop is clean, not showing installed programs icons in the Desktop folder |
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| 21:39.38 | Iridos | perhaps need to either wait or log out and back in |
| 21:39.44 | format_c | you missed the dot-files |
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| 21:40.54 | TrFaSu | Iridos: gonna shut it down then restart.. Lets c..... i hate cousinsð |
| 21:41.22 | Iridos | TrFaSu, ah, he's of course right... did you check for dot-files? |
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| 21:42.22 | format_c | TrFaSu, mv /usr/local/bin/.* /home/$USER |
| 21:42.35 | TrFaSu | Iridos : well, everything is back. Hopefully. Except my wallpaperð |
| 21:42.52 | Iridos | format_c, err... wouldn't that try to move "." and ".." as well? |
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| 21:43.06 | format_c | no because -R is omitted |
| 21:43.21 | format_c | arg isn't cp |
| 21:43.22 | Iridos | make that .[a-zA-Z0-9-_]* |
| 21:43.26 | format_c | replace with cp |
| 21:43.55 | Iridos | right... because .* will expand to all dotfiles... including "." and ".." |
| 21:44.13 | Iridos | the mv will probably fail on both... although I'm not sure on . |
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| 21:44.39 | TrFaSu | format_c : ok i m back in /usr/local/bin but i moved back home folder... Now what to do |
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| 21:45.29 | format_c | cp -R .* /home/$USER/ |
| 21:45.39 | format_c | bash will recognize the loop and skip it |
| 21:45.48 | BlaDe^ | hi all, with: http://pastie.org/pastes/10106355/text?key=30jpgoxdua1pvhp7tbv49q |
| 21:45.58 | BlaDe^ | is /dev/xvda1 based on /dev/xvda ? |
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| 21:46.02 | Iridos | format_c, still, you will run "cp -R .." with that |
| 21:46.06 | BlaDe^ | i can't mount /dev/xvda it says it's busy or already mounted |
| 21:46.50 | Iridos | format_c, so if you ran that in /usr/local, you just copied all of /usr over to /home/$USER/ |
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| 21:47.10 | Iridos | I think you should check the commands you give to someone as advice... |
| 21:47.47 | BlaDe^ | afaik my disk should be 100gb but it's reporting 8... resize2fs iddn't help |
| 21:47.56 | TrFaSu | Iridos: i got only two directories there in /usr/local/bin with . & .. Now plzzz tell me what to do. Should i mv them back |
| 21:48.45 | TrFaSu | Iridos: pllzzz HELP... |
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| 21:49.03 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 21:49.27 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me how to downgrade my kernel ? suspend to memory BROKE |
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| 21:49.48 | Iridos | TrFaSu, if you know about stuff that you put in /usr/local, then move it back.. (lib, bin, share ... would be likely candidates) |
| 21:49.52 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.12 | Agiofws | to 3.2 what ever jessie was using |
| 21:50.31 | Iridos | Agiofws, if you still have the normal wheezy kernel installed, you can just uninstall the one from bpo |
| 21:50.47 | Agiofws | bpo? |
| 21:50.49 | Agiofws | how? |
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| 21:51.37 | Agiofws | Iridos, this is what i used to install the above kernel |
| 21:51.40 | Agiofws | aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 21:51.44 | TrFaSu | Iridos: should i choose copy or move |
| 21:51.46 | ctmjr | Agiofws: just choose the old kernel at boot (in grub boot screen) |
| 21:52.06 | Agiofws | ctmjr, where does menulist live in debian? |
| 21:52.16 | Agiofws | change the entry ? |
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| 21:52.32 | Agiofws | /etc/config/? |
| 21:53.00 | Agiofws | how do i edit grub2 in debian? |
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| 21:53.48 | abrotman | Agiofws: to do what? |
| 21:53.55 | Iridos | Agiofws, just watch the boot process... maybe hitting tab while booting is also helpful to interrupt... but basically at one point you get a menu where you can choose |
| 21:53.56 | abrotman | Agiofws: /etc/default/grub2 .. usually |
| 21:54.32 | Iridos | Agiofws, after you made sure the old kernel still runs like expected, I would uninstall the newer kernel so that all further boots again go into the older kernel by default |
| 21:54.35 | Agiofws | to change the the sequence of the kernels if i still have the old one |
| 21:55.06 | TrFaSu | Iridos: help plzz |
| 21:55.21 | ctmjr | Agiofws: it is /etc/default/grub change grub=default=0 to what ever number the old kernel is |
| 21:55.30 | format_c | TrFaSu, mv. Use the pattern mv .[^.]* |
| 21:55.39 | jhutchins_wk | Agiofws: Edit /etc/default/grub |
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| 21:56.08 | Iridos | TrFaSu, in the end, only you can sort what belongs where... |
| 21:56.19 | ctmjr | my guess would be 2 |
| 21:56.24 | Agiofws | ctmjr, how do i find out which is the old kernel? is there a file i can look into ? |
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| 21:57.50 | BlaDe^ | did anyone see my question? :) |
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| 21:58.25 | abrotman | BlaDe^: you can see what's using it or if it's mounted |
| 21:59.03 | Agiofws | menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae' --class debian --class |
| 21:59.03 | Agiofws | gnu-linux --class gnu --class os { |
| 21:59.15 | Agiofws | would be 0 1 2 2 that is |
| 21:59.22 | Agiofws | i mean 2 |
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| 22:00.07 | BlaDe^ | aboudreault: i tried fdisk -l and df -h |
| 22:00.11 | BlaDe^ | aboudreault: what else should I look at? |
| 22:00.27 | BlaDe^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.29 | abrotman | BlaDe^: 'mount' is it mounted? |
| 22:00.30 | Agiofws | #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi=force irqpoll noapictimer" can i convert that line to #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" " ? or should i delete the quotes? |
| 22:00.31 | BlaDe^ | i want my 100gb volume! heh |
| 22:00.31 | jhutchins_wk | BlaDe^: It would probably help if you summarized and said what kind of environment you were running. |
| 22:00.52 | TrFaSu | Iridos: how to enter the dot directories |
| 22:01.02 | BlaDe^ | aboudreault: mount | grep xvda shows only /dev/xvda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered) |
| 22:01.11 | BlaDe^ | jhutchins_wk: it's an aws instance, running debian wheezy |
| 22:01.26 | abrotman | BlaDe^: you probably don't want to mount the physical device |
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| 22:01.36 | abrotman | BlaDe^: what is 'fdisk -l /dev/xvda' ? |
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| 22:01.49 | jhutchins_wk | BlaDe^: So specialized Xen virtual machine. |
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| 22:01.51 | Agiofws | Iridos, do i unsinstall the new kernel via synaptic ? |
| 22:02.01 | aboudreault | BlaDe^, please notice that you are talking to abrotman not aboudreault |
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| 22:02.24 | ctmjr | Agiofws: when you reboot do you see a grub boot menu you can choose whatevr kernel you wnat they start at 0 |
| 22:02.24 | abrotman | aboudreault: He's talking to you, you're just not responding :) |
| 22:02.28 | Agiofws | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi=force irqpoll noapictimer" can i convert that line to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" " ? or should i delete the quotes? |
| 22:02.33 | aboudreault | abrotman, ;P |
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| 22:02.55 | Agiofws | ctmjr, off-course i do |
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| 22:04.14 | BlaDe^ | sorry aboudreault |
| 22:04.19 | BlaDe^ | abrotman: http://pastie.org/private/n1szxio4rjif729l97cmjg |
| 22:04.25 | aboudreault | BlaDe^, np :) |
| 22:05.01 | abrotman | BlaDe^: so it only has one 8GB partition |
| 22:05.06 | Agiofws | what ever |
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| 22:05.21 | BlaDe^ | abrotman: can I make the main partition 100gb without rebooting? |
| 22:05.31 | BlaDe^ | I thought resize2fs is for that |
| 22:05.32 | abrotman | BlaDe^: Uhm, what's on that partition? |
| 22:05.37 | BlaDe^ | it's my boot/root partition |
| 22:05.43 | BlaDe^ | i only have one currently |
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| 22:06.15 | abrotman | I don't think you can resize a partition while it's online ? |
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| 22:07.57 | TrFaSu | Can anybody tell me how to list contents of dot folder? Pllzzz help |
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| 22:08.07 | acz32 | is it possible to uninstall konqueror without uninstalling KDE? |
| 22:08.20 | centrx | TrFaSu, specify the name ls .mysecretdir |
| 22:08.28 | centrx | TrFaSu, or use ls -A (or ls -a) |
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| 22:09.17 | TrFaSu | centrx: but how to go inside a dot directory |
| 22:09.33 | centrx | TrFaSu, same way as any directory, the dot is part of the name |
| 22:09.47 | centrx | TrFaSu, it's a convention that is observed by Unix programs |
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| 22:10.57 | BlaDe^ | abrotman: i thought resize2fs does exactly that |
| 22:11.04 | BlaDe^ | abrotman: except it tells me : The filesystem is already 2096128 (4k) blocks long. Nothing to do! |
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| 22:11.09 | abrotman | BlaDe^: 'fs' .. filesystem |
| 22:11.16 | abrotman | not partition |
| 22:11.17 | BlaDe^ | ah.... |
| 22:11.24 | BlaDe^ | so i'd need to use fdisk to create a new partition |
| 22:11.29 | BlaDe^ | i guess that works, no big deal |
| 22:11.39 | BlaDe^ | how do I go about that? |
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| 22:12.33 | TrFaSu | centrix: actually i moved my home folder to /usr/local/bin and then moved it back to my home folder. Everything is back to normal . but i should have to check the dot dorectorye in /usr/local/bin |
| 22:13.19 | BlaDe^ | abrotman: fdisk /dev/xvda shows /dev/xvda: device contains a valid 'ext4' signature, it's strongly recommended to wipe the device by command wipefs(8) if this setup is unexpected to avoid possible collisions. |
| 22:13.27 | TrFaSu | centrx : |
| 22:13.29 | centrx | TrFaSu, if you moved the entire home directory and then moved it back, should be okay |
| 22:13.35 | BlaDe^ | abrotman: ideally I don't want to kill this instance.. I just need some more space for one of the apps :( |
| 22:13.55 | centrx | TrFaSu, e.g. mv /home/trfasu /usr/local/bin && mv /usr/local/bin/trfasu /home |
| 22:14.26 | centrx | don't run that of course, that's just a demonstration of how you would have moved it there and then back |
| 22:14.40 | TrFaSu | centrx : but my desktop folder icons are gone n so does the wallpaper |
| 22:15.04 | centrx | TrFaSu, How did you move the home directory? |
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| 22:15.36 | abrotman | BlaDe^: google "resize partition online |
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| 22:17.36 | BlaDe^ | abrotman: hmm that suggests resize2fs does that -- no? |
| 22:17.49 | abrotman | I didn't do it myself |
| 22:18.06 | TrFaSu | centrx :Actually i was trying to move a python script to /usr/local/bin but by mistake i , from the same location typed mv filename /home/jkh /usr/local/bin |
| 22:18.11 | BlaDe^ | i've done it before, I think there's some issue with the debian AMI I use where it defaults the partition to 8gb even though the disk is 100gb |
| 22:18.19 | centrx | TrFaSu, How did you move it back? |
| 22:18.21 | BlaDe^ | last time, I thought I jstu ran resize2fs /dev/xvda1 but this time it doesn't... do anything.. |
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| 22:19.59 | TrFaSu | centrx: again i typed mv jkh /home/jkh with root permissions |
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| 22:20.50 | TrFaSu | centrx: i got all my folders n file inside home back |
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| 22:21.18 | centrx | TrFaSu, does ls -lA /home/jkh show no dot files, a lot of dot files,...? |
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| 22:25.43 | TrFaSu | centrx: a good amount... Some irrelevant to home folder even |
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| 22:27.34 | TrFaSu | centrx : what to do now |
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| 22:28.01 | centrx | TrFaSu, Did you restart the GUI after doing this? |
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| 22:28.16 | TrFaSu | centrx : nope |
| 22:28.19 | centrx | TrFaSu, These programs may just be confused because they started when the files were missing |
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| 22:28.50 | centrx | TrFaSu, Try restarting X |
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| 22:29.13 | TrFaSu | centrx: but i checked some /usr/local/bin programs like ipython , they are working swiftly |
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| 22:29.33 | ^7heo | TrFaSu: python != swift |
| 22:29.41 | kWO901 | when my pc boots up, it takes longer then before for the network interface led to turn on. why ? |
| 22:30.02 | ^7heo | swift is the new language from Apple, aimed at replacing Objective C, don't mix that up |
| 22:30.08 | TrFaSu | centrx : i mean they started swiftlyð |
| 22:30.14 | ^7heo | kWO901: systemd is your problem. |
| 22:30.25 | centrx | TrFaSu, What programs are a problem? What is the problem? |
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| 22:31.19 | TrFaSu | centrx : should i just restart it ? Currently there is no problem |
| 22:32.18 | centrx | TrFaSu, If you moved it like it appears you did, everything should be fine now, you may just need to restart some programs, you can restart the whole machine if you want that's easy enough |
| 22:32.57 | TrFaSu | centrx : ok i m shutting it down. Lets check |
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| 22:42.28 | kWO901 | when my pc boots up, it takes longer then before for the network interface led to turn on. why ? |
| 22:42.47 | TrFaSu | centrx : yeah! Its back to super normal. Thanxx for the time Sir.⺠|
| 22:43.04 | centrx | You are welcome Sir. |
| 22:44.10 | TrFaSu | centrx : sometimes I m ovet paranoid. ..ð |
| 22:45.12 | centrx | TrFaSu, It was a reasonable concern since mv * ignores dot files |
| 22:46.05 | TrFaSu | centrx: but some1 here was arguing abt that thing and giving me a wrong advice. |
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| 22:47.52 | centrx | What a churlish elf-skinned devil-mon! |
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| 22:52.25 | TrFaSu | centrx : gdnyt from India.⺠|
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