| 00:01.34 | shaun413 | ok ill get off my lazy ass and get one |
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| 00:04.12 | marioxcc | shaun413: If you have GNU/Linux already, you can boot the debian installed from the hard disk directly |
| 00:04.20 | shaun413 | i dont |
| 00:04.23 | shaun413 | its a new ssd |
| 00:04.27 | shaun413 | 10gb partition? |
| 00:04.30 | shaun413 | 15? |
| 00:04.34 | shaun413 | its s 256gb hdd |
| 00:04.40 | shaun413 | ssd |
| 00:04.41 | shaun413 | * |
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| 00:05.20 | marioxcc | shaun413: I suggest that you install in LVM |
| 00:05.36 | marioxcc | so that you can change partition size on the fly, and make snapshots with ease |
| 00:05.36 | shaun413 | LVM? |
| 00:05.42 | shaun413 | explain? |
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| 00:05.58 | shaun413 | i assume live virtual machine? |
| 00:06.02 | somiaj | shaun413: it is a layer between the disk and the partitions. |
| 00:06.04 | marioxcc | yes, Linux Volume Manager, it's a abstration layer between the filesystem and the filesystem |
| 00:06.07 | shaun413 | Oh.. |
| 00:06.10 | shaun413 | i was wrong :p |
| 00:06.16 | shaun413 | how do I set that up? |
| 00:06.17 | marioxcc | shaun413: it's not a virtual machine |
| 00:06.28 | marioxcc | shaun413: when partitioning, there's an LVM option |
| 00:06.29 | somiaj | shaun413: I personally think it is an extra layer I don't want between my data and myself, but it does have some nice advantages. I don't use or suggest it for a desktop user though. |
| 00:06.56 | shaun413 | its for a laptop |
| 00:06.57 | marioxcc | use the whole disk for an LVM phisical volume (unless you want to keep an existing partition) |
| 00:07.11 | marioxcc | somiaj: why not? I use it in my personal laptop and I find snapshots useful |
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| 00:07.14 | shaun413 | i do want to keep the windows partition |
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| 00:07.55 | marioxcc | shaun413: did you made empty space already? also bear in mind that Windows is proprietary software, it don't allows you to see what's what you're running, for instance, or to distribute it, or change it in any way |
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| 00:08.08 | somiaj | marioxcc: this is personal choice, but it is a layer you have between you and your data and it can cause data recovery to be harder. |
| 00:08.12 | marioxcc | try to change to GNU/Linux, it may be useful to do the migration more gently |
| 00:08.26 | marioxcc | dual booting first, then switching entirely to GNU/Linux |
| 00:08.27 | shaun413 | marioxcc, ? |
| 00:08.43 | shaun413 | i need windows |
| 00:08.47 | shaun413 | for things |
| 00:08.58 | marioxcc | shaun413: do you know what free software is? see https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ and https://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 00:09.06 | shaun413 | I do.. |
| 00:09.09 | shaun413 | I need windows though |
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| 00:09.24 | shaun413 | theres software that doesnt run on linux |
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| 00:09.37 | somiaj | either way, we should support shaun413 in installing debian and not worry about if he likes to use windows or not, it is his freedom to do what he wants. (: |
| 00:10.24 | cafuego | You get to whinge at someone about non-free software the second you stop using a closed source bios/efi. |
| 00:10.28 | marioxcc | shaun413: the solution is to stop using software that don't cares about you as an user, but only as a source of money for the developer. When you do that, you will have no problem switching to GNU/Linux. |
| 00:10.37 | brentaarnold | Talking on a phone... Did a Debian Jessie upgrade from Wheezy. On boot I'm getting dev-mapper-box\x2dhome.device/start timed out. Any ideas? |
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| 00:11.06 | shaun413 | how am i going to do solidworks modelling and starccm+ cfd on linux? |
| 00:11.23 | shaun413 | i need the software for my school/job |
| 00:11.34 | cafuego | shaun413: Easiest would be to /ignore <user> for pople whoa re not being helpful but insist on talking at you |
| 00:11.42 | shaun413 | ok |
| 00:11.47 | marioxcc | shaun413: I don't know, as I'm not a designer. You should be the one the most concerned about your rights. |
| 00:11.57 | somiaj | either way this is offtopic, lets get back to the quesiton at hand, how to install debian so he can dual boot |
| 00:12.02 | marioxcc | so I suggest that yuu continue looking into alternatives |
| 00:12.22 | marioxcc | there is free CAD software, however. |
| 00:12.32 | marioxcc | a debian package search will do. |
| 00:12.40 | shaun413 | lol |
| 00:12.42 | shaun413 | please stop |
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| 00:13.16 | shaun413 | I cant NOT use the industry standard software.. |
| 00:13.22 | shaun413 | thts what they use. |
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| 00:13.59 | somiaj | marioxcc: okay this is my final warning, people can choose the software they want to use, we are here to support the use of debian not make people use only free software. |
| 00:14.16 | somiaj | marioxcc: this is off-topic, support him in installing debian to dual boot or just leave it be |
| 00:14.16 | astings | this channel is for windows users? |
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| 00:15.09 | HappyNewYear13 | astings, fortran77 programmers |
| 00:15.16 | dltl | x windows users only |
| 00:15.35 | dltl | upgrades HappyNewYear13 to fortran80 |
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| 00:17.35 | astings | what's haskell? |
| 00:17.44 | marioxcc | it's a programming language |
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| 00:18.40 | shaun413 | so.. |
| 00:18.43 | shaun413 | the dual boot? |
| 00:18.58 | brentaarnold | Talking on a phone... Did a Debian Jessie upgrade from Wheezy. On boot I'm getting dev-mapper-box\x2dhome.device/start timed out. Any ideas? |
| 00:22.02 | shaun413 | sigs |
| 00:22.03 | shaun413 | sighs |
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| 00:23.26 | somiaj | shaun413: if windows is already installed you will need to 1) get install medium for debian, 2) resize the windows partition so you have space on your hd for debian, 3) install debian 4) most likely fix it so windows also boots after you are done |
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| 00:24.20 | shaun413 | hmm ok |
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| 00:26.50 | shaun413 | hmm how do I make a partition safely? |
| 00:26.55 | shaun413 | and how large is good? |
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| 00:28.16 | polson8 | I use gparted, but I think there are risks with any partitioning tool... always have a backup :) |
| 00:28.18 | somiaj | the debian installer has tools for this |
| 00:28.34 | asterismo | hi people |
| 00:28.43 | somiaj | it even uses gparted and can resize your windows partition during the install -- note that as always anything that messes with disk data is never 100% and you should have backups. |
| 00:29.38 | asterismo | is it possible to have my PC to show my mouse in my monitor, and another mouse that my son can use in the other monitor? say a two-mouse setup? one mouse for each monitor? possibly keyboard too? |
| 00:30.20 | somiaj | asterismo: yes, but I don't know how easy it would be to configure |
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| 00:30.55 | shaun413 | wait |
| 00:31.00 | shaun413 | I can partition with the insatller? |
| 00:31.03 | somiaj | asterismo: actually maybe not, the method I was thinking wouldn't work because you would have to have two different xorg servers say :0 and :1 running on the same tty |
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| 00:31.07 | shaun413 | not on windows? |
| 00:31.12 | somiaj | shaun413: yes the installer contains tools to partition your drive |
| 00:31.26 | somiaj | shaun413: you can use the windows disk tools and partition in windows just fine. Windows just can't create the linux file systems by default |
| 00:31.26 | shaun413 | ahh |
| 00:31.30 | shaun413 | even with wondws |
| 00:31.40 | shaun413 | windows |
| 00:31.45 | asterismo | because what i have today is pretty nice, in fact my son plays an online game in the browser, and we watch a movie through HDMI and sound comes out from the TV, so it can handle two-sound very well |
| 00:32.21 | asterismo | i think maybe one approach is to configure a virtual machine and capture one usb mouse in that machine and maybe use the primary mouse in the host PC |
| 00:33.59 | asterismo | it would be nice to force one mice to one monitor and one to the other |
| 00:34.21 | asterismo | the thing is that maybe one mouse tries to execute contradictory orders in the system |
| 00:34.34 | asterismo | say, move a file to one place and the other mouse, move it to another... |
| 00:34.45 | asterismo | that would be chaotic |
| 00:34.47 | asterismo | right? |
| 00:34.55 | shaun413 | so 10gb partition good? |
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| 00:36.25 | asterismo | maybe something like this |
| 00:36.27 | asterismo | https://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO |
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| 00:37.18 | marioxcc | how can I download the source of a package from jessie if I'm using wheezy without modifying my sources.list? |
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| 00:39.21 | dondelelcaro | 0/win 63 |
| 00:39.26 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's not going to work |
| 00:39.40 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: you can do so using dget or similar |
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| 00:50.22 | astings | why i don't can install cinnamon in debian? |
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| 00:52.54 | somiaj | astings: it just isn't in wheezy, but I belive it will be part of jessie |
| 00:53.31 | pingfloyd | Did you check backports? |
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| 00:55.06 | astings | gnome is dammit shit,is so very slow in my computer |
| 00:55.33 | pingfloyd | Try xfce4 or lxde |
| 00:55.36 | marioxcc | in which package can I find the source code for Linux (I.e: the kernel) ? |
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| 00:55.59 | pingfloyd | linux-image |
| 00:56.32 | marioxcc | ok |
| 00:57.03 | pingfloyd | Oh you wanted source |
| 00:57.30 | pingfloyd | Just do apt-cache search linux kernel source |
| 00:57.34 | somiaj | marioxcc: there is actual a speical binary package that contains the linux source (or use to be linux-source) |
| 00:57.45 | somiaj | marioxcc: but you can look up the source package name of any binary package with apt-cache show |
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| 00:58.38 | marioxcc | somiaj: ok, thanks |
| 00:59.00 | marioxcc | why is it that there is no jessie package returned seraching for "linux-image"? |
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| 01:01.48 | dysinger | does anyone here know the difference between /usr/share/keyring and /var/lib/{ubuntu,debian}/keyring files? |
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| 01:20.40 | sdg | Trieing to use WPS push button connecgt with Debian |
| 01:20.52 | j0z | whois l0xas l0xas |
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| 01:21.02 | j0z | sorry |
| 01:21.14 | sdg | I found this: wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Brainstorming/ |
| 01:21.23 | sdg | I really don't get what I'm supposed to do. |
| 01:22.13 | sdg | How should my interfaces file be configured? |
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| 01:24.06 | tremorcontrol | my debian jessie machine keeps freezing. I am using X, so I don't get any console output about it. I logged in over ssh and waited until it froze again and I just got the following output from syslog@hostname: 'kernel:[ 410.667671] Disabling IRQ #16' |
| 01:24.14 | tremorcontrol | what are the goto logs i should check |
| 01:25.03 | heurist | tremorcontrol: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 01:26.37 | tremorcontrol | sdg: dont use WPS! very insecure, you should disable it on your router and just authenticate with the standard pre-shared key |
| 01:26.43 | tremorcontrol | if i was using stable, what would you recommend? syslogd is the same on wheezy and jessie iirc |
| 01:27.32 | sdg | tremorcontrol, I am aware of the security implications. As is my landlord. |
| 01:27.48 | sdg | This is the only method I have until landlord gets back from vacation. |
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| 01:28.14 | sdg | A appreciate the warning. Can you tell me how I can use it still? |
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| 01:29.39 | tremorcontrol | sdg: one second... as far as i know NetworkManager doesn't have the capability (if that is what you are using)... ill check into other software |
| 01:29.55 | sdg | tremorcontrol, wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Brainstorming/ |
| 01:30.07 | sdg | I believe wpa_cli support it, but not sure how to use it |
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| 01:30.47 | tremorcontrol | you can always do a hard reset on your router too; if your landlord is okay with that |
| 01:30.52 | tremorcontrol | ill look into wpa_cli |
| 01:31.02 | sdg | tremorcontrol, You cannot. |
| 01:31.21 | sdg | tremorcontrol, the router uses static IP not sure the details |
| 01:31.28 | sdg | lol |
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| 01:32.57 | sdg | I believe wpa_cli support it, but not sure how to use it |
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| 01:36.13 | tremorcontrol | sdg: install the package wpagui, people on the opensuse forums are saying that it has wps option available |
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| 01:37.03 | sdg | When I run wpa_cli wps_pbc I get Failed to connect to non-global ctrl_ifname: (null) error: No such file or directory |
| 01:37.04 | sdg | OK |
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| 01:40.01 | alphazulu | is there any reason not to switch a wheezy system over to the "technology preview" version of systemd? |
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| 01:40.44 | alphazulu | only thing non-standard i have installed is openvas and owncloud |
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| 01:42.00 | marioxcc | where can I find the configuration file for a debian kernel? |
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| 01:42.33 | tremorcontrol | alphazulu: yeah, the reason not to is so you an stay off systemd |
| 01:43.05 | dvs | marioxcc: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 01:43.39 | marioxcc | dvs: ok. sorry my question should have been: where can I find the configuration of a debian kernel in its source package? |
| 01:43.47 | marioxcc | I want the configuration of a kernel that I haven't installed |
| 01:44.59 | dvs | dunno |
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| 01:49.10 | okee | Does anyone on here use an HP Scanjet 4P? I can't find the on/off button for this scanner that was donated to me. |
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| 01:50.04 | tremorcontrol | okee: this is #debian |
| 01:50.12 | dltl | it is so cheap there would have had to double the price if they added one |
| 01:50.25 | okee | tremorcontrol> I am running Debbie Linux stable |
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| 01:50.48 | sdg | It isn't listing the interface. I think wicd or something is taking it over. |
| 01:50.55 | joeyyyy | whos using debian as a desktop ? |
| 01:51.02 | tremorcontrol | joeyyyy: muh |
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| 01:51.12 | sdg | Debian uses systemd as default now, how do I stop wicd at boot? |
| 01:51.21 | tremorcontrol | sdg: ipconfig [interface] down |
| 01:51.28 | sdg | Tried that. |
| 01:51.32 | joeyyyy | looking for minial install / desktop setups |
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| 01:51.37 | tremorcontrol | ohh, systemd... |
| 01:51.48 | tremorcontrol | im not on that one yet |
| 01:51.57 | tremorcontrol | joeyyyy: xfce |
| 01:52.05 | joeyyyy | got screenshots |
| 01:52.06 | joeyyyy | ? |
| 01:52.06 | sdg | I'm chilling with Jessie and xfce4 |
| 01:52.17 | tremorcontrol | joeyyyy: install xfce4 and remove the bottom panel |
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| 01:52.22 | tremorcontrol | joeyyyy: good 2 go |
| 01:52.33 | joeyyyy | sdg whats ur system specs ? |
| 01:52.48 | sdg | joeyyyy, This is a good one |
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| 01:53.08 | joeyyyy | nvidia drivers working in jessie ? |
| 01:53.08 | tremorcontrol | joeyyyy: also use openbox on my laptop |
| 01:53.11 | pingfloyd | Try systemctl stop name |
| 01:53.30 | marioxcc | how can I move the configuration of a debian kernel from its source package to a linux libre kernel? |
| 01:53.53 | pingfloyd | Also systemctl disable name |
| 01:53.57 | tremorcontrol | sdg: systemctl stop NetworkManager |
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| 01:54.05 | tremorcontrol | sdg: systemctl stop wicd |
| 01:54.14 | tremorcontrol | sdg: or whatever is occupying your nic |
| 01:54.18 | pingfloyd | The latter should remove from startup |
| 01:54.32 | tremorcontrol | pingfloyd: he only wants to do this once |
| 01:54.47 | joeyyyy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt4D6YDj7f4 |
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| 01:55.03 | joeyyyy | how do they get the bottens like that ? |
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| 01:55.34 | sdg | oooh |
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| 01:55.51 | sdg | Thats a question I am interested in: what are some good linux docks? |
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| 01:56.25 | tremorcontrol | joeyyyy: openbox is great too http://a.pomf.se/rphrev.png |
| 01:56.34 | sdg | I have used Docky |
| 01:56.38 | hunt | if i want to use network manager for my devices should i just remove all info about them from /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 01:57.03 | tremorcontrol | hunt: I believe NetworkManager writes to those files, or just ignores them |
| 01:57.23 | hunt | tremorcontrol: they dont show up in netowrk manager when the devices are listed there, according to the debian wiki |
| 01:57.25 | tremorcontrol | hunt: if using systemd then do 'systemctl enable NetworkManager.service' |
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| 01:57.29 | coste_ | hunt: remove any wireless definitions from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:57.39 | hunt | coste_: but not wired? |
| 01:57.48 | tremorcontrol | hunt: im pretty sure they just ignore them. are you on systemd |
| 01:57.54 | joeyyyy | im looking for a usable desktop with out bloat |
| 01:58.02 | joeyyyy | xfce4 light and fast ? |
| 01:58.07 | pingfloyd | Yes |
| 01:58.23 | dltl | joeyyyy: only one .... fluxbox |
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| 01:58.25 | tremorcontrol | joeyyyy: xfce4 is the best for a light DE, but if you really want lightweight use a window manager |
| 01:58.25 | coste_ | hunt: i'm pretty sure tremorcontrol is correct. wired connections are unmanaged with NM according to what i read earlier. |
| 01:58.41 | coste_ | fluxbox ftw |
| 01:58.56 | tremorcontrol | coste_: openbox right now, in need of a change |
| 01:59.08 | hunt | tremorcontrol: im on systemd and the wired connection is unmanaged when its listed in interfaces. coste_ my wireless controller is not managed even when i remove it from interfaces |
| 01:59.30 | coste_ | tremorcontrol: i'm a die hard fluxbox fan. have been for years. though openbox can be soo pretty. |
| 01:59.42 | tremorcontrol | hunt: install NetworkManager and type 'sudo systemctl enable NetworkManager.service' |
| 01:59.56 | hunt | tremorcontrol: it is started and installed |
| 01:59.59 | tremorcontrol | coste_: my desktop rn http://a.pomf.se/rphrev.png |
| 02:00.04 | hunt | tremorcontrol: ive restarted it several times |
| 02:00.21 | coste_ | hunt: I can't help you much further than that. I moved away from NM today. now using wicd and openvpn for my networking. |
| 02:00.28 | tremorcontrol | hunt: after doing systemctl enable did you do systemctl start? |
| 02:00.42 | hunt | tremorcontrol: i havent enabled it, it is already started and i have also restarted it |
| 02:00.54 | hunt | coste_: whyd you drop NM? |
| 02:01.06 | tremorcontrol | hunt: what was managing your interfaces before NM? |
| 02:01.16 | hunt | tremorcontrol: NM is the only thing that ever has |
| 02:01.20 | hunt | tremorcontrol: i dont have dhcpcd |
| 02:01.26 | hunt | tremorcontrol: or at least its not started |
| 02:01.46 | tremorcontrol | hunt: so you are trying to fix NM? or trying to stop it? im confused what your goal is |
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| 02:02.10 | tremorcontrol | coste_: let me see your fluxbox desktop |
| 02:02.11 | hunt | tremorcontrol: im trying to manage my wifi |
| 02:02.13 | coste_ | hunt: it sucks imo. had too many connectivity issues and it was just bloated to me. wicd is so much faster, less dependencies and feels more minimalist |
| 02:02.19 | hunt | tremorcontrol: ie fix it |
| 02:02.33 | coste_ | tremorcontrol: k gimme a sec |
| 02:02.34 | hunt | coste_: do you get a neat tray icon and interface as well with wicd? |
| 02:02.34 | tremorcontrol | hunt: so what was the issue NM was having? |
| 02:02.44 | hunt | tremorcontrol: my wifi device is not listed |
| 02:02.53 | coste_ | hunt: you do. |
| 02:02.57 | hunt | tremorcontrol: i just removed it from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:03.01 | tremorcontrol | hunt: type 'ip link' |
| 02:03.04 | hunt | coste_: screenshot? is it pretty? |
| 02:03.09 | tremorcontrol | hunt: see if it is listed there |
| 02:03.11 | coste_ | tremorcontrol: here's a couple of old ones http://www.makeshiftmammoth.com/index.php/portfolio/screenshots.html |
| 02:03.41 | hunt | tremorcontrol: http://ix.io/feu |
| 02:03.42 | hunt | tremorcontrol: it is |
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| 02:04.15 | tremorcontrol | coste_: damn you need a GTK theme bad, and a terminal colorscheme. and remove the scrollbar from your terminal |
| 02:04.26 | tremorcontrol | hunt: does it say UP or DOWN? |
| 02:04.53 | hunt | tremorcontrol: <...,LOWER_UP> ... state UNKNOWN ... |
| 02:04.56 | tremorcontrol | coste_: and dont use vlc. mpv 4 lyfe |
| 02:04.58 | hunt | tremorcontrol: hard to say |
| 02:05.04 | hunt | tremorcontrol: i did do ip link set lo up |
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| 02:05.57 | tremorcontrol | hunt: 'sudo ip link set [int] up' |
| 02:06.07 | tremorcontrol | hunt: lo is your loopback interface... |
| 02:06.19 | hunt | tremorcontrol: oh is it |
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| 02:06.27 | hunt | tremorcontrol: ok then the problem is that i need a firmware for this stuff |
| 02:06.33 | hunt | tremorcontrol: called w3lp3s.ucode |
| 02:06.36 | tremorcontrol | what are all of the interface listed in ip link? |
| 02:06.46 | hunt | tremorcontrol: i pasted for you, but just lo and eth0 |
| 02:06.53 | hunt | tremorcontrol: i already know i need this firmware to enable it |
| 02:07.00 | hunt | tremorcontrol: i dont know where to get it though |
| 02:07.06 | tremorcontrol | shit, reboot is your quickest and most likely solution |
| 02:07.22 | THE_GFR|HOME | reboots his server. |
| 02:07.25 | tremorcontrol | hunt: if it was working before then you likely dont need firmware |
| 02:07.27 | hunt | tremorcontrol: um ive rebooted before and it hasnt installed the firmwware... how would that help |
| 02:07.32 | hunt | tremorcontrol: it has never worked |
| 02:07.38 | hunt | tremorcontrol: i can guarentee you i need firmware |
| 02:07.44 | tremorcontrol | find out your chipset for your wireless nic |
| 02:07.47 | hunt | tremorcontrol: systemctl status bluetooth tells me so |
| 02:08.00 | tremorcontrol | hunt: lspci -v |
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| 02:08.24 | tremorcontrol | hunt: bluetooth has nothing to do with wifi |
| 02:08.35 | hunt | tremorcontrol: theyre one device on my mobo |
| 02:08.40 | hunt | tremorcontrol: in this case they do |
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| 02:09.04 | tremorcontrol | hunt: well do 'lspci -v' and find out what the device is |
| 02:09.09 | hunt | tremorcontrol: have done |
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| 02:09.16 | tremorcontrol | hunt: use grep to narrow results |
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| 02:09.24 | hunt | tremorcontrol: would the firmware be on aptitude? |
| 02:09.45 | tremorcontrol | hunt: should be, if not then you are probably going to have to compile from source |
| 02:09.53 | tremorcontrol | hunt: you said it was working at one point before? |
| 02:09.56 | hunt | tremorcontrol: its available on the intel websites |
| 02:09.59 | hunt | tremorcontrol: no it has never worked |
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| 02:10.08 | coste_ | apparently wicd isn't fond of changing wm's... here's that screenshot of the current setup http://img42.com/TKY9v |
| 02:10.08 | hunt | tremorcontrol: this is a fresh install, it has never worked, |
| 02:10.11 | tremorcontrol | hunt: tell me what the chipset is |
| 02:10.15 | hunt | tremorcontrol: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6235 AGN |
| 02:10.22 | tremorcontrol | hunt: one sec |
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| 02:10.33 | kmyst | what's the easiest way to upgrade packages on a box using the packages from /var/cache/apt/archives on another? i tried exporting the directory with nfs and mounting it but it complains about lock file |
| 02:10.51 | hunt | tremorcontrol: iwlwifi |
| 02:10.56 | hunt | tremorcontrol: i got it btw |
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| 02:11.30 | tremorcontrol | hunt: you got it working? |
| 02:11.30 | dltl | hunt: what got you interested in linux to begin with? |
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| 02:12.09 | hunt_ | tremorcontrol: thanks for the help |
| 02:12.13 | dltl | kmyst: you must be using apt-get somewhere |
| 02:12.20 | hunt_ | tremorcontrol: just rebooted, all good, although the signal strength is literal trash |
| 02:12.28 | kmyst | dltl: yeah |
| 02:12.34 | tremorcontrol | hunt_: that would be an issue with the device :/ |
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| 02:12.58 | dltl | the lock goes away when you end the apt-get |
| 02:13.03 | hunt_ | tremorcontrol: ofc |
| 02:13.05 | hunt_ | tremorcontrol: thanks anyways |
| 02:13.13 | kmyst | dltl: i brought a box up to date and have an identical one but don't want to spend time downloading what i've already gotten |
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| 02:13.49 | dltl | yup that is what nfs is for |
| 02:13.49 | hunt_ | is it better to have my ethernet in /etc/network/interfaces or let NetworkManager handle it?' |
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| 02:13.52 | tremorcontrol | hunt_: give more details next time. I went from thinking you were trying to set up NM, to thinking you were trying to remove NM, to thinking you were fixing a NIC that was working before, to learning that you just did a fresh install and are trying to set up a nic |
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| 02:14.17 | coste_ | tremorcontrol: http://img42.com/OKyLB here's a screenshot of my freebsd VM running openbox and a couple servers. |
| 02:14.23 | hunt_ | tremorcontrol: actually i pretty clearly stated my problem from the get go, that wifi wasnt showing up in NM |
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| 02:14.37 | tremorcontrol | hunt_: i must have caught on to the convo late then |
| 02:14.38 | THE_GFR|HOME | hey everyone does kernel 2.6.32-5 have native USB 3.0 drivers? |
| 02:14.54 | tremorcontrol | THE_GFR|HOME: yes 3.0 starts in 2.6 |
| 02:15.00 | THE_GFR|HOME | ahhh thanks |
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| 02:15.18 | tremorcontrol | THE_GFR|HOME: or maybe thats 2.0 that does... let me look at my notes |
| 02:15.21 | kmyst | dltl: trying to avoid setting up an apt mirror, want to do it simple |
| 02:15.26 | THE_GFR|HOME | because I do have an issue where at bootup I get a lot of USB errors, and then USB does not always work. |
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| 02:15.41 | THE_GFR|HOME | I mean I can LSUSB to make it detect but it's spotty |
| 02:15.55 | THE_GFR|HOME | mostly it does work and I get awesome speeds |
| 02:16.06 | THE_GFR|HOME | but when it does not, it won't detect the drive at all. |
| 02:16.09 | tremorcontrol | THE_GFR|HOME: USB 2 added in 2.4... |
| 02:16.21 | THE_GFR|HOME | ah |
| 02:16.28 | THE_GFR|HOME | thanks tremorcontrol |
| 02:16.48 | tremorcontrol | THE_GFR|HOME: ehh, i dont have anything written down on 3.0. worst case scenario your 3.0 device just goes at 2 speeds |
| 02:16.51 | dltl | lsusb doesn't detect anything it just ls the usb stuff |
| 02:17.19 | THE_GFR|HOME | dltl: then tell me why the USB hard drive shows UP after I do lsusb |
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| 02:18.11 | THE_GFR|HOME | tremorcontrol: it does go at USB 3.0 speed, when it works, I get 100 megabytes a second out of it easily. |
| 02:18.15 | dltl | lsusb is a utility for displaying information about USB buses in the system and the devices connected to them. |
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| 02:18.52 | THE_GFR|HOME | dltl: well I can unplug the USB drive, plug it in, nothing works to make it show up until I do LSUSB |
| 02:18.58 | THE_GFR|HOME | lsusb |
| 02:19.00 | tremorcontrol | coste_: i want to set up FreeBSD and learn it so badly |
| 02:19.15 | THE_GFR|HOME | after that, the USB 3.0 drive shows up most of the time ( not always ) |
| 02:19.20 | dltl | it is coincidence - it takes time for the udev to see it |
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| 02:19.38 | coste_ | tremorcontrol: if you can get ahold of vmWare, that's how i'm doing it. i've almost dropped debian a couple times and converted but the hardware compatibility just is not there for me. |
| 02:19.59 | THE_GFR|HOME | dltl: when the drive isn't detected, I can wait all day and it's not showing up even after I unplug it and plug it back in etc, but after I do lsusb BAM it shows right up. |
| 02:20.16 | dltl | then you gots magic lsusb |
| 02:20.24 | tremorcontrol | coste_: coste_ xen be where it at |
| 02:20.30 | dltl | check with fdisk -l to see what is detected |
| 02:20.40 | THE_GFR|HOME | dltl: yea |
| 02:21.09 | THE_GFR|HOME | dltl: I'm on an older version of Debian Squeeze |
| 02:21.44 | dltl | squeeze ? make sure you have the lts in the sources.list |
| 02:21.52 | THE_GFR|HOME | dltl: anyhow lsusb does the trick |
| 02:22.13 | THE_GFR|HOME | dltl: yep it's all in there... I'll wipe it and reinstall once my software is finished... heh |
| 02:22.28 | THE_GFR|HOME | dltl: with the latest version of debian I mean |
| 02:22.47 | coste_ | tremorcontrol: i was unaware of what the exact purpose of xen was until this moment. i will have to try it as an alternative, for sure. |
| 02:23.21 | THE_GFR|HOME | dltl: thanks for the help |
| 02:23.55 | dltl | have fun |
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| 02:28.28 | marioxcc | hello |
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| 02:28.45 | marioxcc | I want to install a custom kernel. Where should I put the dynamically lodaded modules? |
| 02:29.17 | dltl | it installs them where it wants to - what are you doing |
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| 02:29.55 | dltl | /lib/modules/* |
| 02:30.11 | marioxcc | dltl: won't they conflict with my debian wheezy modulse? |
| 02:30.16 | marioxcc | how can I make sure they don't? |
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| 02:30.49 | dltl | it will give the new modules a new dir name in the /lib/modules according to what you give it in the Makefile |
| 02:31.24 | dltl | and the /boot will have the new kernel and map etc |
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| 02:31.36 | marioxcc | dltl: ok, thanks |
| 02:32.01 | dltl | are you using grub or lilo? |
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| 02:33.31 | marioxcc | dltl: grub |
| 02:33.49 | marioxcc | dltl: I think that I know most of the procees, configure the kernel, make, install somewhere in the FS; load with grub, reboot |
| 02:33.52 | marioxcc | right? :) |
| 02:34.20 | dltl | then you need to update it and i think you might need the mkinitramfs - but that is from work i did a while back |
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| 02:34.35 | marioxcc | ok, thanks |
| 02:34.46 | dltl | update_grub2 ? |
| 02:35.02 | marioxcc | dltl: do you know how to configure linux libre starting with the debian configuration of the kernel of jessie. I'm myself using wheezy and have downloaded the jessie package source, which files do I need to move? |
| 02:35.16 | marioxcc | with grub, I think that it's just "grub-reconfigure", I forgot the exact command |
| 02:35.25 | dltl | make oldconfig ? |
| 02:35.38 | marioxcc | dltl: what's the benefit of oldconfig? |
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| 02:39.42 | marioxcc | dltl: I honestly don't know, I haven't used it. |
| 02:39.46 | okee | Does someone know the command for determining the scsi host bus adapter? |
| 02:40.02 | marioxcc | okee: did you try "lspci" already? |
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| 02:40.50 | astings | windows is the best OS |
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| 02:42.19 | dltl | marioxcc: google it |
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| 02:43.51 | dltl | astings: how is the prostelyzing going? |
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| 02:44.47 | ac1219 | Hi |
| 02:45.11 | ac1219 | Just a fiy I used.wpagui |
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| 02:45.20 | dltl | you were once a mormon or jehovah witness? |
| 02:45.42 | hunt | hey i just got a kernel panic around 3 minutes into a youtube video, which does not consistantly happen with youtube videos, however i do consistantly kernel panic with games on steam and elsewhere as long as they use opengl |
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| 02:46.01 | hunt | this doesnt happen in ubuntu with games |
| 02:46.27 | hunt | and i memtested/stresstested my pc |
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| 02:46.30 | hunt | i have no gpu |
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| 02:46.39 | dltl | of course you do |
| 02:46.40 | hunt | so im using Intel 2nd Generation integrated graphics |
| 02:46.49 | hunt | dltl: no dedicated gpu |
| 02:47.21 | hunt | can anyone assist me on this? ive tried the LTS kernel |
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| 02:48.05 | hunt | this is a crippling bug and its really causing me problems |
| 02:48.21 | marioxcc | hunt: I suggest that you report is as a bug |
| 02:48.32 | marioxcc | https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 02:49.22 | hunt | marioxcc: how do i know what package to report against? its still unclear to me whats causing the problem. i havent gotten this from just running opengl tests (yet), although ialso havent found any opengl tests that are long enough to really see |
| 02:49.23 | dltl | i'm gonna guess that it is a hunt specific bug |
| 02:49.32 | hunt | dltl: certainly seems like it |
| 02:49.55 | hunt | dltl: perhaps it could have something to do with my mobo? |
| 02:50.03 | dltl | no |
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| 02:50.06 | hunt | dltl: none of my hardware is otherwise damaged accordin to the tests ive run |
| 02:50.24 | hunt | dltl: and all i can imagine besides that is that perhaps im missing a firmware package or something? |
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| 02:50.33 | hunt | dltl: otherwise i dont see what it could be besides a bug |
| 02:51.31 | marioxcc | hunt: it's linux (Linux is a kernel, despite the widespread confusion to oherwise) specific. Find which package contains the kernel you run and report it aginst that package. |
| 02:51.35 | hunt | could anyone suggest to me an opengl test that will run on Intel Integrated Graphics 2000 for approx. 7 minutes, and be rather intensive (i.e. not glxgears) |
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| 02:52.01 | hunt | marioxcc: oh i understand, debian jessie appears to be that package if i understand correctly? |
| 02:52.11 | marioxcc | hunt: sorry, which package? |
| 02:52.15 | hunt | marioxcc: or is that to say linux-image*** is the package? |
| 02:52.33 | marioxcc | hunt: linux-image, bear in mind that there are several kernels in each debian version |
| 02:52.47 | dltl | hunt is is totally repeatable |
| 02:53.00 | hunt | dltl: yes although it doesnt come after the same amount of time always |
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| 02:53.10 | hunt | dltl: with games its always panicked in under 10 minutes |
| 02:53.22 | hunt | dltl: youtube videos it hasnt really panicked until just now |
| 02:53.31 | dltl | did it happen with same thing in ubuntu? |
| 02:53.47 | hunt | dltl: in ubuntu after 20 minutes in games it hadnt panicked, although i dont know if that means it would panick later or not |
| 02:54.06 | dltl | probably not hardware |
| 02:54.28 | hunt | dltl: i hope not... |
| 02:54.41 | hunt | dltl: but the fact it only works in ubuntu is extremely strange |
| 02:54.53 | hunt | dltl: suppose it has somethingh to do with ubuntus forked kernels? |
| 02:55.09 | hunt | well bye |
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| 02:56.47 | marioxcc | hunt: I don't think that you will get much effective help here. Probably you need somebody knowledgeable with that specific driver, so I suggest the mailing list or reporting as a bug |
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| 02:57.32 | hunt | marioxcc: ok, damn i wish this was resolvable. this is a new mobo so i fear that its the mobos fault and i wont find that out until after my 30 days return period |
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| 02:58.06 | marioxcc | hunt: mobo? motherboard? |
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| 02:58.43 | marioxcc | hunt: I can't help anymore, as I'm not a kernel knowledgeable man myself. |
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| 02:59.26 | un214 | is there a way to convince the package manager to completely ignore the boot sequence |
| 03:00.27 | marioxcc | un214: what do you mean? |
| 03:00.37 | marioxcc | if you ignore the boot sequence, you won't boot at all. |
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| 03:00.41 | hunt | marioxcc: ok thatnks for the help, sending a bug report |
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| 03:01.09 | un214 | the grub package can't build a correct grub.cfg |
| 03:01.25 | un214 | I need to type it in by hand and tell the scripts hands off |
| 03:01.37 | marioxcc | hunt: cool. If you're into kernels or even if you're not, check out https://www.gnu.org/software/linux-libre/ it's linux without the proprietary part, and it's not distribution-specifc like the kernel of debian. I suggest using this if you want to compile your own kernel. |
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| 03:01.53 | un214 | UUIDs don't work on this system |
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| 03:02.48 | marioxcc | un214: I will have to go soon, but so that somebody else can answer, you need to specify which part of the boot process is causing problems |
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| 03:03.45 | un214 | the grub scripts built a stupidly-wrong grub.cfg causing the system to mount one side of the mirrored raid and hose |
| 03:04.35 | marioxcc | un214: did you set the mirrored volumes _as such_ when doing the installation? |
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| 03:04.47 | un214 | yup |
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| 03:04.57 | marioxcc | also, if you booted without proper support for RAID1, then the disc probably desynced already |
| 03:05.04 | un214 | yup |
| 03:05.06 | un214 | figured that out already |
| 03:05.09 | marioxcc | ok :( |
| 03:05.19 | marioxcc | you can fill a bug against debian-instaler |
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| 03:05.28 | marioxcc | or write to debian-boot@lists.gnu.org (make sure to subscribe) |
| 03:05.29 | un214 | no point |
| 03:05.35 | un214 | I didn't use debian installer |
| 03:05.38 | un214 | I used debootstrap |
| 03:05.56 | marioxcc | I guess that you may have made a mistake |
| 03:06.14 | marioxcc | especially because debootstrap doesn't install grub, that I know of. |
| 03:06.14 | un214 | mistake 1: trying to use lilo |
| 03:06.23 | un214 | but apt-get install grub2 does |
| 03:06.33 | un214 | apparently it didn't read /etc/fstab |
| 03:06.57 | un214 | thankfully only / desynced |
| 03:07.00 | un214 | the big /home is fine |
| 03:07.21 | marioxcc | ok, don't forget to make a backup |
| 03:07.48 | marioxcc | grub has support for LVM, if you're using that, there shouldn't be problems |
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| 03:08.06 | marioxcc | I don't know the case when it's Linux (the kernel) software RAID |
| 03:08.19 | un214 | it's old school soft raid |
| 03:08.32 | marioxcc | no labels? |
| 03:08.33 | un214 | anyway it would have worked if the script hadn't tried to use UUID= |
| 03:09.04 | marioxcc | doesn't the software raid has an UUID? |
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| 03:09.12 | marioxcc | do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 03:09.28 | un214 | yeah but if you're dumb and access the disks directly you see one or the other |
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| 03:09.47 | un214 | and the two sides have the same UUID |
| 03:10.08 | marioxcc | I think that the raid volume as such must have an UUID of its own |
| 03:10.16 | un214 | nope |
| 03:10.33 | marioxcc | anyway, does somebody knows how to take the configuration from a debian kernel and put it in a linux-libre? |
| 03:10.58 | hunt | in bug report what am i meant to put for sys_vendor? |
| 03:11.02 | un214 | can I chatter +i grub.cfg ? |
| 03:11.03 | hunt | its a self built system |
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| 03:11.20 | dondelelcaro | un214: yes, but it's kind of silly to do so |
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| 03:11.42 | dondelelcaro | hunt: in Debian? We don't have such a field. |
| 03:11.47 | un214 | the scripts in grub2 corrupted it already |
| 03:12.06 | dondelelcaro | un214: corrupted it how? |
| 03:12.12 | hunt | dondelelcaro: i see this field |
| 03:12.14 | un214 | by rewriting it to use UUID |
| 03:12.21 | un214 | completely breaking my system |
| 03:12.31 | hunt | dondelelcaro: in the ** Model Information section |
| 03:12.57 | dondelelcaro | un214: so set GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true in /etc/default/grub |
| 03:12.59 | hunt | dondelelcaro: its even partially filled out for me, the board_vendor etc. sections |
| 03:13.12 | dondelelcaro | hunt: is this with reportbug? |
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| 03:13.43 | dondelelcaro | hunt: for an installation report, I think you can just leave that blank |
| 03:13.52 | dondelelcaro | someone might ask for more information if they care |
| 03:13.57 | shaun413 | deeebian |
| 03:14.05 | un214 | I don't get why it didn't just scrape /etc/fstab |
| 03:14.17 | un214 | if /etc/fstab is wrong the system is not coming all the way up anyway |
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| 03:16.07 | un214 | all right how do I reorder the script |
| 03:16.41 | dondelelcaro | reorder which script? |
| 03:16.52 | un214 | I need to rebuild grub.cfg |
| 03:17.14 | dondelelcaro | un214: so run update-grub; |
| 03:17.53 | dondelelcaro | though it seems kind of silly to not have UUID working, but whatever works for you, I guess. |
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| 03:18.11 | un214 | GAAA script is still wrong |
| 03:18.28 | un214 | clear UUID got incorrect device name |
| 03:18.44 | tremorcontrol | anyone here willing to help me out with apt? |
| 03:18.55 | dondelelcaro | un214: how are you running update-grub? is what it supposed to be the root device on / ? |
| 03:18.58 | un214 | probably cheaper to convince LILO to accept the raid device than figure out why grub is completely braind-damaged |
| 03:19.03 | dondelelcaro | tremorcontrol: best to just ask your question. |
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| 03:19.08 | un214 | with no arguments |
| 03:19.15 | un214 | root device should be /dev/dm-1 |
| 03:19.21 | dondelelcaro | un214: is the root device / ? |
| 03:19.27 | un214 | yup |
| 03:19.40 | un214 | only it booted one side of a raid array right now |
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| 03:20.33 | dondelelcaro | un214: wait... so you don't have the raid array mounted on /, but only once side of it? |
| 03:20.38 | un214 | yup |
| 03:20.40 | un214 | grub screwed up |
| 03:20.42 | dondelelcaro | that's not going to work |
| 03:20.53 | un214 | of course not |
| 03:20.58 | dondelelcaro | so boot off of rescue media, bring the raid device up, chroot onto it, and rerun update-grub and grub-install |
| 03:21.11 | un214 | I know how to resync once I can convince grub to build the correct grub.cfg |
| 03:21.23 | tremorcontrol | I am on wheezy, but I have all repos in sources.list and priorities set in /etc/apt/preferences so I could grab packages from newer repos when needed. Now, whenever I go to install a package, I get 'Packages have unmet dependences' and it refuses to install the dependencies |
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| 03:22.14 | dondelelcaro | un214: unless you've got the raid mounted, grub isn't ever going to do things correctly |
| 03:22.19 | tremorcontrol | also have apt-listbugs, could be a contributing factor |
| 03:22.37 | brotherBox | After doing an apt-get upgrade, how can I either revert that process or find out which previous version was overwritten of as specific package? |
| 03:22.53 | un214 | it didn't do it right when I was booted from the CD either |
| 03:22.54 | dondelelcaro | tremorcontrol: you're going to have to fix your unmet dependencies, probably by upgrading more of your system |
| 03:23.01 | hunt | guys bug report is failing to connect to my mail server, how do i save the bug report and cancel the automated mailing?> |
| 03:23.12 | hunt | or correct the mailing server info |
| 03:23.14 | dondelelcaro | un214: are you running grub from the cd or from within the install? |
| 03:23.16 | tremorcontrol | dondelelcaro: my goal is to not manually install dependencies every time |
| 03:23.21 | un214 | from within the install |
| 03:23.24 | un214 | the CD can't handle it |
| 03:23.40 | dondelelcaro | un214: and you're chrooted into the fully mounted install, right? |
| 03:23.48 | un214 | yeah I did that |
| 03:23.53 | un214 | it still built a bad grub |
| 03:23.59 | dondelelcaro | un214: is this wheezy or jessie? |
| 03:24.18 | un214 | wheezy |
| 03:24.49 | un214 | it looks like the scripts tried to walk all disks looking for bootable systems |
| 03:24.52 | dondelelcaro | un214: OK. And grub is actually loading the correct config and starting the raid, but it's not giving the right root? Or what? |
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| 03:25.10 | un214 | yeah it gave root=/dev/sdb |
| 03:25.17 | un214 | yeah it gave root=/dev/sdb1 |
| 03:25.58 | un214 | thankfully my system is behaving sanely since only 1 side of the raid can boot anymore |
| 03:26.12 | un214 | I just get 50% boot failures |
| 03:27.03 | dondelelcaro | un214: OK. use a paste site to give the output of sudo grub-mkconfig; and the contents of /etc/default/grub and /proc/mounts |
| 03:27.22 | dondelelcaro | hunt: you can stop reportbug and take the mail and send it directly to submit@bugs.debian.org |
| 03:28.18 | joeyyyy | whats the nvidia package name in jessie ? |
| 03:28.45 | joeyyyy | is it best to use nvidia drivers from nvidia.com or apt-get ? |
| 03:28.49 | un214 | sudo: not found |
| 03:28.58 | joeyyyy | witch is easyer to keep updated ? |
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| 03:29.27 | dondelelcaro | un214: the su to root and do it… |
| 03:29.33 | dondelelcaro | joeyyyy: apt-get. |
| 03:29.50 | un214 | ok thing is I can't boot the raid right now |
| 03:29.57 | dondelelcaro | un214: why not? |
| 03:30.04 | un214 | because it's completly desynced |
| 03:30.09 | dondelelcaro | so? |
| 03:30.17 | un214 | I need to fix the config, remount ro, and then order a resync |
| 03:31.05 | tremorcontrol | is there a way to downgrade all packages to current wheezy? |
| 03:31.15 | dondelelcaro | tremorcontrol: not easily, no. |
| 03:31.19 | tremorcontrol | kernel and glibc are still wheezy level packages |
| 03:31.59 | tremorcontrol | dondelelcaro: i dont care, i really need to. have mixed packages is really messy, and i dont want to go all the way to jessie |
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| 03:32.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell tremorcontrol -about pinning downgrade |
| 03:32.42 | tremorcontrol | all hail dpkg |
| 03:32.50 | dondelelcaro | well, it's missing some \n, but you should get the idea |
| 03:33.17 | dondelelcaro | you'll have to manually wade through the dependencies using aptitude or similar after you start that process, but that's the way to do it |
| 03:33.25 | shaun413 | cant wait to install debian |
| 03:33.35 | dondelelcaro | in general, if you want newer versions of specific packages, the way to do it is to use backports intsead |
| 03:33.47 | tremorcontrol | dondelelcaro: that solution is actually incredibly easy |
| 03:33.53 | tremorcontrol | dondelelcaro: but thank you |
| 03:34.12 | tremorcontrol | shaun413: you will be in a great world |
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| 03:34.39 | dondelelcaro | tremorcontrol: well, it's easy to say, but actually working through some of the broken dependencies can be difficult |
| 03:35.03 | tremorcontrol | dondelelcaro: i guess ill see how she goes |
| 03:35.12 | shaun413 | i will? |
| 03:35.18 | shaun413 | will you guys help me learn |
| 03:35.20 | dondelelcaro | yep; I personally haven't tested it for jessie -> wheezy, but I've done it previously |
| 03:35.21 | shaun413 | to use the debian |
| 03:36.44 | shaun413 | do I want cd or dvd release? |
| 03:36.46 | shaun413 | for flashdrive? |
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| 03:38.50 | dondelelcaro | shaun413: if you have a reasonable network connection, you actually just want the netinst cd |
| 03:38.51 | tremorcontrol | dondelelcaro: all done |
| 03:39.03 | shaun413 | link? |
| 03:39.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell shaun413 -about netinst |
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| 03:39.32 | shaun413 | ok |
| 03:39.55 | shaun413 | will it work wifi? |
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| 03:41.23 | shaun413 | ? |
| 03:41.23 | di---- | I attempted to install the skype package on their website. It said I wasn't running on 32bit hardware which is fine... but now my Applications Icons are missing |
| 03:41.25 | di---- | one of them is terminal |
| 03:41.42 | di---- | and all the main folders are blank |
| 03:42.28 | shaun413 | will it work with wireless |
| 03:42.54 | di---- | I tried right clicking the .deb file and the package installer is gone too |
| 03:44.19 | shaun413 | what is te download for the full version? |
| 03:44.23 | shaun413 | not sure where to find it |
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| 03:48.30 | joeyyyy | apt-get install xorg-server xfce4 xfce4-goodies nvidia-glx (nvidia gt 610) ? anything that someone change for a mini desktop install ? |
| 03:48.44 | joeyyyy | debian 64bit jessie ? |
| 03:49.33 | joeyyyy | im wanting to install steam |
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| 03:49.36 | joeyyyy | also |
| 03:51.09 | shaun413 | anyone? |
| 03:51.11 | nohklm | shaun413: https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.html |
| 03:51.20 | shaun413 | i can use that on wifi..? |
| 03:51.30 | nohklm | shaun413: wired may be easier for install |
| 03:51.37 | shaun413 | well... |
| 03:51.41 | shaun413 | i dont have a wire |
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| 03:52.49 | nohklm | try with wireless the but your wifi card might/might not be supported by the installer |
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| 03:52.55 | nohklm | *then |
| 03:53.16 | dvs | shaun413: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 03:53.28 | shaun413 | wich do i download? |
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| 03:54.03 | nohklm | dvs: i forgot about this one. shaun413, this is the correct link |
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| 03:54.49 | shaun413 | ? |
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| 03:55.01 | shaun413 | its an intel centrino |
| 03:55.28 | nohklm | follow dvs's link |
| 03:55.54 | shaun413 | yes it has a bunch of links |
| 03:55.55 | shaun413 | in it |
| 03:56.01 | nohklm | the .iso |
| 03:56.05 | shaun413 | just the iso? |
| 03:56.05 | shaun413 | ok |
| 03:56.11 | shaun413 | and put it on a flashdrive |
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| 03:56.57 | nohklm | you have to write the iso itself on the flash drive. not just copy it. |
| 03:57.08 | nohklm | what OS are you using? |
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| 04:01.24 | Cerales | I'm trying to build a machine using a preseed URL and the installer doesn't seem to be using the preseed file - it still prompts me for language, keymap, etc. I'm using Jessie Beta 2. What could this be? |
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| 04:02.24 | shaun413 | ok adding to flashdrive |
| 04:02.32 | dvs | how? |
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| 04:02.54 | shaun413 | ? |
| 04:02.58 | shaun413 | by dragging |
| 04:03.11 | dvs | you can't just copy the iso file to the flash drive |
| 04:03.16 | shaun413 | why not |
| 04:03.26 | dvs | shaun413: you need something like win32diskimager |
| 04:03.44 | nohklm | shaun413: http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/files/latest/download |
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| 04:03.54 | shaun413 | it worked for ubuntu.. |
| 04:04.10 | shaun413 | ok |
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| 04:05.03 | nohklm | by the way people, is there really no page on the wiki that explains this?? |
| 04:05.19 | nohklm | I must have explained that to people 100 times |
| 04:06.34 | dvs | !win32diskimager |
| 04:06.34 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 04:07.09 | nohklm | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en has no install instructions for other OS |
| 04:07.14 | nohklm | pity |
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| 04:10.09 | shaun413 | uhhhh |
| 04:10.24 | shaun413 | my flashdrive says its toatal capacity is 430kb wtf? |
| 04:10.32 | shaun413 | after writing the iso? |
| 04:11.44 | nohklm | shaun: have you 1. successfully downloaded the iso 2. successfully put it on the flash drive using win32diskimager ? |
| 04:11.48 | nohklm | double check |
| 04:11.50 | somiaj | [6~[6~[6~[6~ |
| 04:11.53 | shaun413 | uhh |
| 04:11.57 | shaun413 | my flashdrive is 16gb |
| 04:12.01 | dvs | somiaj: ??? |
| 04:12.01 | shaun413 | not 430kb |
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| 04:12.10 | somiaj | dvs: ignore my cat (: |
| 04:12.16 | dvs | heh |
| 04:12.17 | nohklm | shaun413: what i said. check 1. and 2. |
| 04:12.24 | shaun413 | Uhh yes? |
| 04:12.26 | shaun413 | but.. |
| 04:12.27 | dvs | uses a dog on somiaj |
| 04:12.31 | shaun413 | thats not my flash drive size |
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| 04:12.59 | nohklm | whatever. if 1. and 2. are ok, try to boot the USB stick. |
| 04:13.07 | shaun413 | no |
| 04:13.14 | shaun413 | i want my flashdrive to not be borked |
| 04:13.29 | awktion | lol |
| 04:13.48 | awktion | !pastebin | shaun413 |
| 04:13.52 | nohklm | shaun413: different tools may be confused with the new partition table. you just have to reformat it to 16GB whenever you want |
| 04:13.54 | awktion | hopefully that works |
| 04:13.59 | awktion | !pastebin |
| 04:14.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 04:14.14 | awktion | ok shaun413 -- fdisk -l and post that @ pastebin |
| 04:14.19 | shaun413 | it wont let me reformat to 16 |
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| 04:15.12 | dvs | shaun413: What are you trying to reformat it now? |
| 04:15.19 | nohklm | awktion: looks like shaun413 is not running linux yet. no luck with fdisk. |
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| 04:15.33 | shaun413 | Ok says write was succesfull |
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| 04:15.54 | awktion | nohklm: oh then #windows maybe |
| 04:15.54 | shaun413 | try to boot? |
| 04:15.59 | awktion | lolo |
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| 04:16.06 | shaun413 | 10gb partition sound good? |
| 04:16.21 | nohklm | awktion: hehe. |
| 04:16.29 | awktion | shaun413: no |
| 04:16.31 | shaun413 | is 10gb good |
| 04:16.33 | awktion | none of it sounds good |
| 04:16.35 | shaun413 | 5? |
| 04:16.38 | shaun413 | 20? |
| 04:16.56 | awktion | wanders off |
| 04:16.57 | nohklm | but again, there are *no* instructions on the debian wiki/doc on how to install debian starting from windows |
| 04:17.18 | nohklm | shaun413: just. boot. the. usb. stick. |
| 04:17.19 | shaun413 | i just want to know what a good partition size is |
| 04:17.29 | shaun413 | yeah I will need to make a partition.. |
| 04:17.45 | nohklm | 1. download debian. 2. write usb 3. boot |
| 04:17.50 | nohklm | it's nothing complicated |
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| 04:18.44 | shaun413 | yeah but I need a partition size... |
| 04:18.47 | dvs | nope |
| 04:18.48 | shaun413 | for debian... |
| 04:18.50 | nohklm | no you don't |
| 04:18.55 | shaun413 | then how do I isntall it |
| 04:19.07 | nohklm | let win32diskimager write to USB. it takes care of the partition table. |
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| 04:19.18 | shaun413 | ok... |
| 04:19.21 | shaun413 | better be true |
| 04:19.27 | shaun413 | cya on the other side |
| 04:19.31 | nohklm | make sure you select the correct drive in win32diskimager |
| 04:19.38 | shaun413 | i did |
| 04:19.43 | nohklm | ok. should be good. |
| 04:19.49 | shaun413 | cya |
| 04:19.53 | nohklm | bye |
| 04:20.13 | nohklm | seriously ppl there should be official doc on how to do this... |
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| 04:21.54 | somiaj | nohklm: doc to do what? How to use the install medium? |
| 04:22.42 | nohklm | somiaj: writing the installer to an USB drive from windows. |
| 04:22.44 | nohklm | yeah i know |
| 04:22.57 | nohklm | but explaining it 1000 times is boring |
| 04:23.11 | somiaj | nohklm: use dpkg, !tell foo about usb install |
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| 04:23.54 | nohklm | somiaj: yes the dpkg IRC bot has it. |
| 04:24.09 | nohklm | no mention of win32diskimager in the install doc |
| 04:25.35 | nohklm | likely most people coming from windows won't know about the IRC channel when getting debian for the first time |
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| 04:25.40 | kevr | debian uses systemd now, yeah? |
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| 04:25.58 | shaun413 | Why did you lie |
| 04:26.03 | nohklm | kevr: unstable/testing yes |
| 04:26.08 | kevr | ah k |
| 04:26.09 | shaun413 | I can't partition part of the disk in the install |
| 04:26.11 | pisau | jessie ? |
| 04:26.19 | shaun413 | Only the whole disk |
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| 04:26.20 | shaun413 | Wtf |
| 04:26.34 | shaun413 | Any help |
| 04:26.42 | somiaj | nohklm: yea I would see that as a bug you could file against the install guide |
| 04:26.44 | nohklm | shaun413: the disk you wnat to install debian to? you need to select "manual partitioning" |
| 04:26.52 | pisau | did you install fro cd ? dvd ? or net install |
| 04:26.55 | nohklm | somiaj: on the BTS? |
| 04:27.03 | shaun413 | Where |
| 04:27.07 | shaun413 | There is no manual |
| 04:27.13 | shaun413 | Net install I think |
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| 04:27.26 | nohklm | shaun413: can you boot the USB stick? |
| 04:27.29 | shaun413 | Ok I chose manual |
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| 04:27.31 | shaun413 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.33 | shaun413 | Noe |
| 04:27.41 | shaun413 | Raid? |
| 04:27.56 | shaun413 | Logical volume anger? |
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| 04:28.03 | pisau | ahahha |
| 04:28.22 | somiaj | nohklm: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/apes02.html.en -- correct you can put a wish list bug against the package 'installatio-guide' |
| 04:28.22 | shaun413 | Configure encrypted volumes? |
| 04:29.03 | shaun413 | How can I add a partition. |
| 04:29.15 | somiaj | nohklm: actually seems like it is a bug, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=283136 |
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| 04:29.48 | nohklm | somiaj: thanks for finding it. |
| 04:29.49 | somiaj | also looks like it is old and no one seems to care. that is to bad |
| 04:30.00 | nohklm | > Fri, 26 Nov 2004 |
| 04:30.09 | shaun413 | How can I add a partition |
| 04:30.14 | shaun413 | To the partition table |
| 04:30.16 | somiaj | the last replay is feb 2011 |
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| 04:30.56 | nohklm | somiaj: maybe we should wake up #debian-boot ? |
| 04:31.00 | AlexLikeRock | how to rremove systemd |
| 04:31.01 | AlexLikeRock | ? |
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| 04:31.02 | shaun413 | I should have made a partition beforehand d |
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| 04:31.10 | shaun413 | This is why I asked 5 times |
| 04:31.16 | shaun413 | Thanks a bunch... |
| 04:31.34 | nohklm | shaun413: we need to know more about what you want. |
| 04:31.36 | somiaj | nohklm: that is one way, or maybe just add a reply/followup to that bug saying 'hey we are constantally haveing to direct windows uwers to win32imager and suggest adding it to the docs' |
| 04:31.46 | kevr | hmm |
| 04:31.47 | shaun413 | I want a dual boot |
| 04:31.50 | nohklm | shaun413: ok |
| 04:31.54 | kevr | doesnt look like ezjail-admin update -r exists anymore... |
| 04:31.56 | shaun413 | I want another partition |
| 04:31.58 | shaun413 | Ffs |
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| 04:32.09 | nohklm | shaun413: do you have free (unpartitioned) space on your disk? |
| 04:32.13 | shaun413 | No |
| 04:32.28 | somiaj | nohklm: there may be some underlaying policy/reason they dont' want to suggest specific software like that, but I think win32imager passes DFSG but not sure on that. |
| 04:32.30 | shaun413 | I was told I Can partition it during install |
| 04:32.38 | shaun413 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.41 | nohklm | shaun413: then you can't. I guess. You have to resize the current windows partition. |
| 04:32.52 | un214 | well that lilo disk= code has decayed |
| 04:33.03 | shaun413 | Sigh |
| 04:33.04 | un214 | I just discovered that it is simply wrong for all hard disks |
| 04:33.07 | somiaj | you can use gpartd during the install (though you may need to install in expert mode) and resinze partitions then |
| 04:33.14 | shaun413 | How do I do that |
| 04:33.15 | nohklm | shaun413: yes you can partition during install. but you need free unpartitioned space. |
| 04:33.20 | shaun413 | And How Big |
| 04:33.39 | nohklm | shaun413: I think the only way to resize a windows/NTFS partition is to do it from windows. I may be wrong. |
| 04:33.42 | somiaj | nohklm: I belive you can run gparted during the install and resize partitions to make the free space though I have not done such a thing. |
| 04:33.50 | shaun413 | I'm in windows |
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| 04:33.57 | somiaj | no gparted supports resizing fat and ntfs, though windows tools are safter you won't get as much space |
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| 04:34.25 | somiaj | shaun413: you can go to the disk manager and resize you rmain windows partition. Though windows only lets you make it so small and you will need to do it from a live image (or the installer) if you want smaler than windows allows. |
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| 04:34.31 | shaun413 | How large of a partiom |
| 04:34.42 | somiaj | 30gigs should be more than enough to start with |
| 04:34.56 | nohklm | yes 30GB should be enough |
| 04:34.56 | shaun413 | Ok. It's a 256 ssd |
| 04:34.58 | shaun413 | So.. |
| 04:35.01 | shaun413 | That's a lot |
| 04:35.01 | somiaj | 10gigs maybe a bit small if you want to paly around with the big desktops like gnome or kde |
| 04:35.09 | shaun413 | Ok |
| 04:35.41 | un214 | now the real fun begins |
| 04:35.42 | nohklm | somiaj: gparted is available from the installer? |
| 04:36.02 | somiaj | shaun413: again depends on ussage, I personally only use about 6-7gigs on my install but I have a lot of developer tools. |
| 04:36.15 | shaun413 | Ok |
| 04:36.27 | work_op | will the multi arch installer work for ARM? |
| 04:36.28 | nohklm | shaun413: I use separate partitions for / (system) and /home (user data) |
| 04:36.33 | somiaj | nohklm: either that or just partd, it is an additionl udeb you have to load and I've seen it in expert mode |
| 04:36.38 | shaun413 | Ok |
| 04:36.54 | nohklm | shaun413: 10G is enough for /, size of /home depends on how much you want to put on it |
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| 04:37.14 | shaun413 | 20g? |
| 04:37.17 | nohklm | shaun413: so if you select "single partition" (/ and /home on same partition) 30GB should be plenty |
| 04:37.23 | somiaj | work_op: no, the multiarch default installer is amd64/i386, you will have to get the arm installer and don't know if thy have one that does either 32bit or 64bit arm, though you can choose either. |
| 04:37.25 | shaun413 | Ok |
| 04:37.31 | shaun413 | Ill do 30 |
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| 04:37.47 | work_op | somiaj, the reason i ask is that i dont know if i need armel or armhf |
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| 04:37.54 | somiaj | shaun413: yea 30gigs will probabaly be more than enough, 10gigs may be to small, 20gigs will work, again depends totally on ussage. |
| 04:37.54 | work_op | its an exynos4412, cortex a9 |
| 04:38.01 | nohklm | somiaj: I'll try #debian-boot now |
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| 04:38.32 | shaun413 | Ok |
| 04:38.34 | somiaj | work_op: you can use multiarch on arm, I just don't think there is a multiarch installer like there is for amd64/i386 (which is really just two installers in one) |
| 04:38.55 | somiaj | work_op: you will have to configure the multiarch after you install |
| 04:39.03 | somiaj | and I have no epxerience with this |
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| 04:39.35 | shaun413 | Should I do the 64bit |
| 04:39.37 | shaun413 | Install |
| 04:40.37 | shaun413 | ? |
| 04:40.43 | shaun413 | Or regular |
| 04:40.51 | somiaj | shaun413: personal choice, and I would suggest it. Though if you end up needeing to run lots o 32bit only apps (these are usually third party apps) 32bit just makes life slghtly easier |
| 04:41.05 | somiaj | but you can run 32bit apps on 64bit install but not the other way around |
| 04:41.14 | shaun413 | Ok |
| 04:41.35 | un214 | well since I'm going to have to transfer to the install cd anyway to finish up I'm going to give one last wack at grub |
| 04:41.42 | un214 | if it screws up again I'm switching back to lilo |
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| 04:42.10 | un214 | I can *fix* lilo. |
| 04:42.15 | somiaj | un214: Haven't seen anoyone use lilo in years. What isn't working with grub? |
| 04:42.18 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 04:42.19 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
| 04:42.32 | un214 | it outsmarted itself |
| 04:42.46 | un214 | it would have worked ok if it didn't try to build grub.cfg itself |
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| 04:43.36 | nohklm | un214: I think you don't normally edit grub.cfg. You edit /etc/default/grub |
| 04:43.40 | nohklm | and run update-grub |
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| 04:44.32 | shaun413 | It's sinatallsinf |
| 04:44.33 | shaun413 | Yay |
| 04:44.40 | shaun413 | Installing rather |
| 04:45.07 | somiaj | nohklm: or you write custom scripts to create it |
| 04:45.28 | somiaj | un214: what are you trying to do that caused it to not build correctly, maybe learn the correct way to configure it? |
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| 04:45.44 | somiaj | nohklm: check out /etc/grub.d/ |
| 04:45.45 | un214 | it tried to use UUID on a RAID build |
| 04:46.10 | un214 | had it simply believed /etc/fstab everything would have been fine |
| 04:46.18 | somiaj | oh yea, that is one bug that I never recall the best way to get around |
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| 04:46.33 | somiaj | did you find teh bug in the BTS maybe it has suggestions for your use case |
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| 04:47.29 | un214 | I'm going to give it one more go with the GRUB_DISABLE_UUID and if it build a bad grub.cfg I'm swithing to lilo |
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| 04:48.04 | somiaj | shoudln't need to reinstall though, just get a resuce image, mount everything and run update-grub |
| 04:48.14 | un214 | right |
| 04:48.45 | somiaj | Though I wonder if people use lilo much anymore, really haven't seen anyone mention it in years |
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| 04:51.05 | un214 | truth is I switched to lilo when my first experience with grub2 was a non-booting system |
| 04:51.09 | un214 | that was years ago |
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| 04:52.07 | un214 | not knowing anything about filesystems gives lilo a few really nice properties (in addition to its stupid ones) |
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| 04:53.36 | somiaj | yup, I am indeferent with which one is used so I go with the default. (: |
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| 04:54.04 | un214 | so was I until it broke and I had NO IDEA how to fix it |
| 04:54.54 | un214 | the thing is I *know* lilo so I can make it work even when grub can't |
| 04:55.13 | un214 | KISS seems to apply here |
| 04:56.24 | un214 | I could write a working grub.cfg |
| 04:56.42 | un214 | I can't figure out how those scripts are supposed to work. I got tired of broken ssytems. |
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| 04:57.19 | un214 | and if I completely nuke the scripts what have I gained for my efforts? |
| 04:58.27 | Rusty1 | the knowledge that making backups is priceless? |
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| 04:59.00 | un214 | well my /home is still on raid1 |
| 04:59.17 | somiaj | un214: I was just looking that up. I was seeing if you could just disable the automatic update of grub.cfg, or have to hack it in what I would do is write a script 99_custom which basically removes grub.cfg and replaces it with the one you want. |
| 04:59.20 | un214 | perhaps I should take a real backup before fooling around |
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| 05:00.12 | somiaj | un214: a nicer way would be put an 'exit 0' as the first line of each config file, then they don't do anything. Run update-grub and see if it leaves a blank grub.cfg or doesn't touch it |
| 05:00.13 | un214 | well if I have to do that I have to convince it to know the kernel |
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| 05:00.24 | un214 | somehow the kernel package knows how to update lilo.conf |
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| 05:01.10 | somiaj | un214: it updates it? I thought it just used links /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old (or what ever they are called now) and points the links at different locations then reruns lilo |
| 05:01.31 | un214 | they're called linux-version |
| 05:01.50 | shaun413 | Celluloid heroes hardly ever diee |
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| 05:01.59 | somiaj | well those arehte kenrel used in /boot but links made it so you never had to modify the conf file, which maybe is now also done by scripts. |
| 05:02.02 | un214 | oh no wait it doesn't update the file it just does the symlinks |
| 05:02.08 | un214 | I got hazy |
| 05:02.33 | un214 | I forgot about that |
| 05:02.35 | somiaj | but a safe way would be add 'exit 0' to each of the scripts in /etc/grub.d/, then run update-grub and see what happens. |
| 05:03.22 | somiaj | though iw as hoping to find a setting that would just disable or change what update-grub does |
| 05:03.52 | un214 | I wanna tell it IGNORE THE SYSTEM BELIEVE /etc/fstab |
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| 05:05.09 | somiaj | ahh this guide suggests removing the executable bit from the scripts you don't want run |
| 05:05.13 | un214 | anyway gotta shutdown to resync the RAID before I get go any farther |
| 05:05.39 | nohklm | somiaj: good news #debian-boot was quick to respond https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769996 |
| 05:05.45 | nohklm | this should be taken care of shortly |
| 05:05.45 | un214 | I'll pick up tomorrow. |
| 05:07.00 | un214 | thanks for playing somiaj |
| 05:07.37 | sotto | what is the default dpi setting? |
| 05:07.48 | un214 | seems to be 96 here |
| 05:08.04 | sotto | really |
| 05:08.15 | somiaj | un214: but looks like that disable UUID option in /etc/default/grub would do what you need. Always fun to think about other methods |
| 05:08.43 | un214 | well I'm gonna find out once I boot the recover cd & resync raid |
| 05:08.55 | un214 | if not expect patches to lilo from me |
| 05:09.03 | un214 | I had to fix a bug in it |
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| 05:09.27 | un214 | (it thinks two devices with the same BIOS id is wrong even when the devicies are listed in its own config as two partitions) |
| 05:09.45 | somiaj | haha, sounds like fun (: |
| 05:09.48 | shaun413 | Celluloid heroes never feel any pain |
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| 05:13.03 | sotto | What determines the color of the text in the System monitor? |
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| 05:15.26 | nohklm | sotto: that system monitor? https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnome-system-monitor |
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| 05:15.50 | sotto | nohklm: yup |
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| 05:16.19 | sotto | nohklm: I can't see the text like "cpu" processes, resources, etc. |
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| 05:16.37 | sotto | I only see the colors in the graph and the colors for the legend |
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| 05:17.03 | nohklm | sotto: normally this is determined by your GTK theme |
| 05:17.14 | sotto | nohklm: where though |
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| 05:17.28 | nohklm | sotto: did you change your theme? |
| 05:17.45 | sotto | nohklm: yes |
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| 05:18.15 | nohklm | sotto: lots of themes are buggy with GTK3 these days (what gnome-system-monitor uses) |
| 05:18.26 | nohklm | I suggest reverting to the default or use on that works |
| 05:18.29 | nohklm | * |
| 05:18.32 | nohklm | *one |
| 05:18.51 | nohklm | the default is Adwaita |
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| 05:19.47 | sotto | nohklm: I'd prefer not to |
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| 05:20.30 | nohklm | sotto: so you'll have to fix your theme |
| 05:20.37 | nohklm | dpkg, tell soto about gtk |
| 05:20.49 | sotto | nohklm: I would* prefer not to |
| 05:21.22 | nohklm | either you fix/change your theme, or live with this bug |
| 05:21.30 | sotto | nohklm: I would prefer not to |
| 05:21.39 | nohklm | not to what? |
| 05:21.43 | sotto | nohklm: I would prefer not to |
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| 05:22.04 | nohklm | so, do not. |
| 05:22.18 | sotto | Clearly you've never read Bartleby, the Scrivener |
| 05:22.47 | nohklm | reading about it |
| 05:23.03 | sotto | well thanks for your time anyways, I guess I'll just have to live with it |
| 05:24.21 | nohklm | sotto: nice quote :) totally applies to me |
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| 05:24.37 | nohklm | sotto: i can recommend a few good gtk themes |
| 05:24.54 | sotto | nohklm: no, I'm going back to a purely text based OS |
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| 07:05.58 | LinuxGuy2020 | If a machine is offline and you have copied packages back into /var/cache/apt/archives. Then you run apt-get install <package>, is there any way to get it to see the packages there and use them instead of trying to download them? |
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| 07:07.33 | LinuxGuy2020 | nm got it |
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| 07:56.48 | Bluewolf | Can anyone guide me in tracing my internet connection, I need to know how many servers its going through and where they are? |
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| 08:01.14 | nkuttler | Butt3rfly: traceroute.. |
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| 08:03.07 | Butt3rfly | ? |
| 08:03.26 | nkuttler | Bluewolf: traceroute |
| 08:03.31 | nkuttler | Butt3rfly: never mind |
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| 08:05.10 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: So what's the command in the terminal, should I be tracing through all the servers to the game servers? |
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| 08:06.07 | nkuttler | Bluewolf: traceroute host, like the manpage says |
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| 08:06.16 | nkuttler | host being your game server |
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| 08:08.00 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: Okay I'm getting output but I can't quite make sense of it? |
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| 08:10.09 | nkuttler | Bluewolf: which part of it doesn't make sense to you? |
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| 08:11.04 | Gatis | morning |
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| 08:11.29 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: Hehehehehehe, all of it. I'm not sure of how many servers it is as well as what countries its going through to get to the primary server? |
| 08:11.35 | Bluewolf | :-S |
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| 08:12.26 | nkuttler | Bluewolf: google visual traceroute. there are services that will geoip the servers.. which is more or less reliable |
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| 08:17.12 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: I don't get it, the visual trace routes are working when I am putting in the IP of the servers. But its not mention my location? |
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| 08:20.51 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: How would I find out the speed and latency, ping? |
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| 08:24.18 | Bluewolf | nkuttler: Exactly what is the meaning here? - 16 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 7571ms |
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| 08:32.35 | cynicallemon | you can use mtr to show you where the packets goes tits up |
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| 08:41.39 | pkrzywicki | hi all |
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| 08:44.47 | eb0t | hey is there a way to make sure the iptables rules you just typed in from command line are saved for next reboot |
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| 08:45.25 | eb0t | i have read a debian document that states how to save them for if you did the rules in a script file ...but not from command line |
| 08:45.46 | jimbo3918 | eb0t: apt-get install iptables-persistent |
| 08:46.17 | eb0t | ah thanks jimbo3918 |
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| 08:48.30 | eb0t | that did the trick thanks again |
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| 09:15.27 | critias | is it normal to have a /var/log/debug file of over 100 MB in less than 12 hours? |
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| 09:18.53 | akar | hi.. I want to test my system reliability. can somebody suggest what tools or packages that can be used |
| 09:18.56 | akar | thx |
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| 09:20.54 | caraconan | Hi there. I'm stuck with half configured libpoppler46 and not able to update/remove libjpeg-turbo. Any suggestion about the safest way to proceed? http://paste.debian.net/132242/ I would like to install pdfedit. Thanks. Debian jessie |
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| 09:21.20 | caraconan | akar: too wide question in my opinion. Could you refine it a little bit? |
| 09:22.06 | akar | I found a bunch of used hardware. before I continue my experiment I want to make sure the reliability of the hardware |
| 09:23.57 | MarvelDigital | critias, it is normal if your system isn't working properly. haha |
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| 09:25.23 | MarvelDigital | akar, for hard drive you can use smartctl,... |
| 09:25.43 | akar | for cpu? |
| 09:26.59 | MarvelDigital | akar, maybe cpuburn |
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| 09:28.07 | caraconan | akar: ok, I misunderstood you. You want to test your hardware, not your O.S. |
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| 09:29.59 | akar | how about linpack, mprime? |
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| 09:30.38 | caraconan | I think I hit this bug: http://paste.debian.net/132242/ Somebody else here solved same problem ? Thanks |
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| 09:34.22 | jelly-home | critias: it might be or not, depending on your workload and choice of logging info. Look at what takes the majority of lines. |
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| 09:38.11 | akar | MarVelDigital & caraconan: thanks man |
| 09:38.29 | caraconan | yw |
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| 09:44.11 | Gatis | hi |
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| 09:44.25 | Gatis | gatis is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
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| 09:44.32 | Gatis | How to add gatis to sudoers file? |
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| 09:48.44 | petn-randall | !tell Gatis -about sudoers |
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| 09:59.47 | Gatis | petn-randall, ok thanks God bless you |
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| 10:01.23 | petn-randall | Gatis: You're welcome. |
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| 10:09.47 | petn-randall | I have two wheezy machines. On one machine apt tries to fetch security.debian.org via IPv6 (and fails), on the other one it works fine via IPv4. On both machines IPv6 is not set up on the interfaces, and no IPv6 routes exist (except for link-local). On both machines security.debian.org resolves to an A and AAAA record. What else should I look at? |
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| 10:18.07 | medoc | hi! does anyone know if there is a replaccement for emdebian packages somewhere? emdebian.org is down :( |
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| 10:37.08 | EdePopede | does iceweasel have its own channel? i see one, but 2 users only, no registration, no topic, nothing. |
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| 10:39.54 | petn-randall | EdePopede: You can ask here. |
| 10:40.32 | EdePopede | good, since i wouldn't want to ask in #firefox (though it may be not that specific) |
| 10:41.53 | medoc76_ | hi, does enyone know of an emdebian.org mirror? |
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| 10:42.20 | EdePopede | i use iceweasel as default browser (xdg, automated calls from eg skype), so you may call it a fallback. usually i have some firefox versions (including nightly) in /usr/local and also a couple of profiles (like facebook goes extra, flash used to, but with click-to-play, hmm...) |
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| 10:46.25 | EdePopede | that means that icewesale is in use here since i switche dfrom squeeze to wheezy. sesms this happened in feb, 27. so my history SHOULD go back until then. but: i rebuilt my profile a couple of times, so maybe i didn't reintegrate that one profile, who knows. some weeks ago i had my history going buck to august, wondered, but i thoought maybe it was as said. ok. and just right now i see i have a "this month" in the sid |
| 10:46.25 | EdePopede | ebar, no "previous month" or earlier. and that's.. strange. |
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| 10:47.29 | EdePopede | (xchat should have a char counter for the input line, hm.) -- anyone observed disappearing history? seems to me it started with the update from 24esr to 31est |
| 10:48.56 | petn-randall | ,v iceweasel |
| 10:48.57 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1; jessie: 31.2.0esr-3; sid: 31.2.0esr-3; experimental: 33.1-1 |
| 10:50.16 | EdePopede | ok, running sqlitebrowser (killed iceweasel just for the case). i have bookmarks back to february/march |
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| 10:51.06 | EdePopede | Version: 31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1 is what i have |
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| 10:53.41 | EdePopede | i don't think there are any keys removing old history, the one command i know is C-S-Del to open the dialog (where only cache is preselected), and pressing DEL while in the history sidebar... couldn't hthink of a reason to do this while on a date entry |
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| 11:06.49 | Eleganza | eth1 is my main interface where I have a working internet connection |
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| 11:07.03 | Eleganza | eth2 the second network card that I want to use as a bridge |
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| 11:07.25 | Eleganza | so the computer that is connected via lan to eth2 card can connect to the network |
| 11:07.33 | tytan | Whats the bots name? |
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| 11:09.09 | tytan | apt |
| 11:09.31 | jelly-home | tytan: dpkg, actually |
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| 11:45.41 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice mosning great guys ! |
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| 11:45.43 | doev | I just found a file (ext4) with only ? in the attributes, but filename is ok. doing a listing as root changes nothing. what can i do? |
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| 11:46.47 | doev | on access with chmod, chown I get a io-error |
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| 11:48.21 | frostschutz | doev, backup, fsck, ...? |
| 11:48.52 | frostschutz | doev, if it's io-error in the sense of hdd error, get a new hdd and ddrescue... |
| 11:48.54 | doev | there are i/o errors on other files too. I think I do a reboot first |
| 11:49.36 | doev | its is a six months old hd .... get it as change for the broken one |
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| 11:57.10 | doev | the reboot helps so far |
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| 11:58.05 | frostschutz | doesn't matter how old the disk it... check smart, run a long self-test on it |
| 11:58.18 | doev | I will do a backup first |
| 11:58.33 | doev | smart shows no errors |
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| 12:11.52 | Plastefuchs | I am running in some sort of squeeze openvz jail as a vps and am stuck with a few packages that i would like to hoist up to newer versions (weechat .37 -> 1.01 for example). I haven't ever really run any upgrades in the last ... 2 years or so, so i am not sure what the best kind of action would be. Backup config and data, install fresh system, backup and dist-upgrade or just fiddle with the repo |
| 12:11.54 | Plastefuchs | settings to pull that on package and its dependencies down. Any suggestions? |
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| 12:16.44 | hellyeah | hey debian dudes |
| 12:16.45 | hellyeah | sup |
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| 12:19.01 | Plastefuchs | not much it seems |
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| 12:49.59 | it-guy | hi guys! |
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| 12:52.40 | Gatis | archlinux vs debian? What's better? |
| 12:52.51 | Dagger2 | petn-randall: I'm a few hours late, but: you should see why apt-get can't access the mirror over v4 |
| 12:53.14 | Dagger2 | petn-randall: (e.g. try `wget http://security.debian.org/` and see what happens) |
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| 12:53.49 | arad | Just a question I'm gonna install Debian. My processor is Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2450M CPU @ 2.50GHz 64 bits (I've seen the lm flag). Should I install i386 or ia64 ? Thank you |
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| 12:57.10 | canon_xt | arad: no real reason to use 32bit unless a very unusual software's requirement or very low ram |
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| 12:57.23 | arad | 4 GB |
| 12:57.58 | arad | canon_xt: thank you. I'm in the Debian download page. The ia64 is the only option I have right ? |
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| 12:58.34 | canon_xt | arad: you want amd64 not ia64 |
| 12:58.44 | blan4 | Hello! Short fast question: why would I use a "--system" (-r) group in order to jail my internal-sftp users inside their /home directories? Creation of a normal group wouldn't fit my needs? |
| 12:59.47 | arad | canon_xt: but my micro is intel |
| 12:59.49 | arad | ok |
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| 13:00.27 | canon_xt | arad: it does not matter, i5 speaks amd64 regardless of the name 'amd'. ia64 is for other processors |
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| 13:00.51 | arad | canon_xt: thank you |
| 13:00.52 | arad | :) |
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| 13:01.01 | arad | 4 GB do you consider is ok ? |
| 13:01.33 | canon_xt | btw the same holds for most if not all Intel and AMD's processors on the desktop computer market |
| 13:01.39 | canon_xt | 4 GB is way enough for debian |
| 13:01.48 | arad | thank you so much |
| 13:01.56 | canon_xt | you're welcome :) |
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| 13:13.47 | Gatis | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdq9Q8wJdjc |
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| 13:39.35 | petn-randall | Dagger2: It can reach it over IPv4. I think the preference in /etc/gai.conf might be different, checking that now. |
| 13:40.39 | pfote | whats the state of art today to install rpm's? havent done that in a cascade ... |
| 13:41.24 | petn-randall | pfote: use 'alien' and hope for the best. It's been quite robust though the last time I used it. |
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| 13:43.07 | pfote | k, i'll check it out |
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| 13:45.26 | Dagger2 | petn-randall: apt-get only reports the *last* connection error. if it's reporting v6 errors, then either it's trying v6 last or it's not trying v4 at all |
| 13:45.44 | DannyArends | Hey all I have a weird problem with my debian box, regarding internet |
| 13:45.48 | Dagger2 | and for a machine with no v6, both of those point to a problem with your v4 |
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| 13:46.15 | DannyArends | Anyone here that can spare some time to see what I can do to fix it ? |
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| 13:49.07 | Brigo | !ask |
| 13:49.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:50.53 | DannyArends | I am running debian wheezy, and since a couple of days ago I am unable to get stuff off the internet (apt, wget, ping) however the webserver on the host is reachable from the outside, and also I can SSH into the box fine. Any thoughts on what might be wrong ? |
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| 13:52.30 | nkuttler | DannyArends: outgoing traffic is filtered? |
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| 13:53.15 | adc | DannyArends: you could try to run `tracepath google.com` to see how far your machine is able to reach into the net |
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| 13:54.52 | DannyArends | Owkay, the tracepath starts with 1: My hostname, then goes to 129.125.132.252, and then "No reply" |
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| 13:55.32 | nkuttler | DannyArends: does that ip belong to your hosting provider? |
| 13:55.43 | DannyArends | yeah, it does |
| 13:56.04 | adc | DannyArends: can you open the web page http://74.125.232.200 in your web browser (ip of google.com) |
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| 13:56.45 | nkuttler | DannyArends: you should probably contact them.. or see if you have some firewall management tool in your admin dashboard or whatever you have |
| 13:56.56 | nkuttler | but yeah, make sure you can't curl/wget that |
| 13:57.20 | adc | DannyArends: if you can open things based on IPs but not domain names you likely have a DNS problem |
| 13:57.26 | DannyArends | I am logged into the box via SSH, but if I try to wget http:74.125.232.200 I get: "Connection timed out" |
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| 13:58.23 | adc | DannyArends: ok, then my hinch towards a dns problem is not relevant, sorry |
| 13:58.52 | nkuttler | DannyArends: btw, also check your spam mail folder. maybe there was some malicious traffic originating from your box.. |
| 13:59.07 | nkuttler | DannyArends: usually network admins don't just start firewalling boxes |
| 13:59.17 | nkuttler | but you never know :) |
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| 13:59.30 | DannyArends | But the weird thing is that from the outside I can connect to the box on port 80 |
| 13:59.38 | nkuttler | DannyArends: not weird at all |
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| 13:59.58 | nkuttler | DannyArends: some people also think it's more "secure" to block outgoing traffic .oO |
| 14:00.07 | pfote | petn-randall: looks surprisingly good ^^ tnx :-) |
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| 14:00.56 | DannyArends | why not ? if they firewalled my box then I should have problems connecting to it as well, right ? and when using ssh I can up and download files fine |
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| 14:04.31 | nkuttler | DannyArends: huh? you can up and download files? you just said you can't connet to google? |
| 14:04.49 | nkuttler | DannyArends: where can you download from? |
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| 14:05.21 | DannyArends | Via ssh/scp... I can send files to my box just fine, and retrieve them from my box just fine... |
| 14:05.58 | nkuttler | DannyArends: yeah, that's not surprising. you ssh/scp in and get the file. try if you can ssh *out* of your server |
| 14:06.10 | nkuttler | DannyArends: scp connects *to* yourserver |
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| 14:08.24 | DannyArends | Yeah I can ssh out no problem... thats whats the weird thing is |
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| 14:09.16 | DannyArends | so e.g. ssh myhomeserver.nl -> works, but traceroute myhomeserver.nl -> No reply |
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| 14:10.01 | DannyArends | (in both cases I do this from myremotebox.nl) |
| 14:11.39 | Yoha | Can you ping? Can you set up a TCP connection with netcat? |
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| 14:12.11 | DannyArends | Nope, ping isnt working... ping myhomeserver.nl -> everything is lost |
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| 14:13.03 | nkuttler | DannyArends: anyway. if the traffic stops at one of their servers, it's their problem. just email them the traceroute output, and tell them to fix it |
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| 14:13.45 | DannyArends | Owkay, thanks for the Help and Time, I'll send them an email to see where it goes wrong |
| 14:15.17 | DannyArends | by the way netcat google 80 -> DNS fwd/rev mismatch: www.google.com != ee-in-f103.1e100.net |
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| 14:26.59 | Mads_ | Hello |
| 14:27.29 | dgm816 | hi Mads_ |
| 14:29.06 | Mads_ | i'm having a debian server where i have detected some traffic using tcpdump that is originating from my server. I dont believe this traffic should be generated is it possible trace what is causing this? I'm affraid if it is some kind of malicious software |
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| 14:29.35 | petn-randall | Mads_: What kind of traffic is this? |
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| 14:30.34 | dgm816 | mads: did you try a "lsof -i | grep LISTEN" to see whats open and listening? where is the traffic going? |
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| 14:31.17 | Yoha | lternatively, I like to run "netstat -ntupa" to check active TCP and UDP connections |
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| 14:32.13 | Mads_ | the server is a mail server for my private domain and the traffic is going to this ip address 67.207.202.9 when i put the ip address in google it is showing up on a site called projecthoneypot |
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| 14:33.13 | Mads_ | the traffic is not originating at all time but comes from time to time |
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| 14:34.00 | abrotman | can you tell which port, etc it's going to? |
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| 14:34.59 | jasonwc | Does Debian automatically use 4K sectors for SSDs that correctly report their physical sector size? |
| 14:35.05 | derpherder | Mads_, what are the ports being used? |
| 14:35.40 | Mads_ | i dont know what port is being used i will try to see if i can capture some of the traffic again, give me 5 minutes :) |
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| 14:36.07 | jelly-home | jasonwc: Debian 7 uses 1MiB alignment for all devices, regardless of announced physical sector size |
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| 14:36.24 | jasonwc | is that good or bad? |
| 14:36.49 | jelly-home | jasonwc: that's better than a mere 4KiB alignment. |
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| 14:42.13 | Mads_ | hmm i got something now and it actually seems more like the traffic is trying to connect to my server on port 80 |
| 14:42.57 | Mads_ | both port 80 and port 443 is being used |
| 14:43.08 | Mads_ | both web ports :/ |
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| 14:45.59 | Mads_ | i realized this problem because a family member could no longer access the webmail from her work but instead she gets a cisco warning message that my site has been blocked because it might contain malware... |
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| 14:53.36 | Walex | Mads_: if your server has been compromised the best thing you can do is to reinstall it from scratch, because bad sw usually hides very well. |
| 14:53.57 | Walex | Mads_: and it looks like your server has been indeed compromised. |
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| 14:54.22 | Walex | jasonwc: yes, but please note that "SSDs that correctly report their physical sector size? |
| 14:54.29 | Walex | jasonwc: yes, but please note that "SSDs that correctly report their physical sector size" don't really exist. |
| 14:54.49 | jasonwc | i thought SSDs are supposed to be 4K aligned |
| 14:54.52 | jasonwc | are they not 4K physical? |
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| 14:55.09 | heurist | jasonwc: 1m is also 4k aligned |
| 14:55.10 | Walex | jasonwc: internally they have a very strange architecture. |
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| 14:55.24 | jasonwc | heurist, yeah, i realize that |
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| 14:56.24 | Walex | jasonwc: so currently all good SSDs use a Software Translation Layer that makes alignment issues irrelevant, because what it actually does is to write to the device "clusters" of data a bit like a log-based filesystem would do. |
| 14:56.47 | jasonwc | interesting, didn't realize that |
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| 14:57.03 | Walex | jasonwc: the alignment and transfer sizes for reading, writing and erasing usually are all different. |
| 14:57.13 | jasonwc | i'm using an SSD as L2ARC and trying to figure out which SMART attribute corresponds to data written |
| 14:57.40 | jasonwc | it has 3 unknown attributse at the end - must be one of those. none of the others relate to writes. |
| 14:57.50 | Walex | jasonwc: that is not always available... |
| 14:58.04 | jasonwc | i would assume they would want to know for RMA purposes |
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| 14:59.12 | Walex | Mads_: note that the Project Honeypot claims that it is being targeted by traffic from your site... |
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| 14:59.38 | Walex | Mads_: also note that a good malware kit will replace 'tcpdump' too. |
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| 15:00.11 | Walex | jasonwc: virtually all SSDs report a "percent lifetime used" (or similar name) SMART indicator. |
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| 15:00.37 | Mads_ | Walex: Project Honeypot does not see my site, the ip address i have given is the ip address of those who is targeting my server |
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| 15:01.30 | jasonwc | Walex, not seeing anything - here's the full output of smartctl -a http://pastebin.com/TcGLTwSR |
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| 15:04.01 | Walex | Mads_: that's quite different, but then it is not clear to me what is happening to your server. |
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| 15:04.12 | TheStapler | I have an issue that I just found today. I shut down my server last night for maintenance, and started it back up this morning... now, it is hanging on "configuring network interface". it won't continue... yet it is pingable |
| 15:04.16 | Walex | jasonwc: this is an older Crucial, an M4: http://paste.debian.net/132320/ |
| 15:04.50 | jasonwc | Perc_Rated_Life_Used, well that's explicit |
| 15:04.55 | nkuttler | TheStapler: how long have you been waiting? are you using wheezy? |
| 15:04.59 | Walex | jasonwc: most likely the offsets are the same, so offset 202 is the same on yours. |
| 15:05.18 | TheStapler | debian 7.5, and it's been sitting there for a few minutes now. |
| 15:05.23 | jasonwc | Data_Address_Mark_Errs |
| 15:05.33 | jasonwc | is what it shows for 202 |
| 15:05.48 | TheStapler | now, I did change my router... and it is running on a VMware server as well |
| 15:06.00 | nkuttler | TheStapler: 7.5 is kinda outdated |
| 15:06.13 | Walex | jasonwc: depends which offset table file is using. The drive itself does not have any descriptive strings. |
| 15:06.16 | nkuttler | TheStapler: buy yeah.. you probably want to fix your router |
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| 15:06.29 | nkuttler | (or your vmware setup..) |
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| 15:06.59 | jasonwc | Walex, ah, so it could just be using the wrong table |
| 15:07.11 | TheStapler | nkuttler, my other vm's work fine, it is just my debian server... (and isn't 7.5 the latest?) |
| 15:07.30 | nkuttler | TheStapler: 7.7 |
| 15:07.51 | Walex | jasonwc: try running '/usr/sbin/update-smart-drivedb' |
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| 15:08.08 | jasonwc | /usr/share/smartmontools/drivedb.h.error: rejected by /usr/sbin/smartctl, probably no longer compatible |
| 15:08.43 | TheStapler | nkuttler, I tired booting into recovery, and same issue. Will it eventually boot? |
| 15:09.07 | Walex | jasonwc: delete it from /var/lib/smartmontools/ |
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| 15:09.11 | nkuttler | TheStapler: i think there should be a timeout for network configuration.. |
| 15:09.49 | nkuttler | TheStapler: worst case, boot with init=/bin/sh and see from inside what's going on.. |
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| 15:10.48 | nohklm | hi, I'm getting lots of entries like this in my apache log: |
| 15:10.57 | nohklm | /var/log/apache2/access.log.7.gz:50.112.37.9 - - [29/Sep/2014:21:33:56 +0200] "-" 408 1350 "-" "-" |
| 15:11.04 | jasonwc | Walex, what am I supposed to be deleting? I don't see anything related to the drive in question |
| 15:11.08 | TheStapler | nkuttler, do you think removing the network card from the vm settings, and starting it up would at least get me past this? or deleteing,a nd creating a new one? |
| 15:11.10 | nohklm | anyone know what's causing this? 408 |
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| 15:11.31 | nkuttler | TheStapler: removing the card sounds like a plan |
| 15:11.48 | nkuttler | TheStapler: or like i said, append init=/bin/sh to the kernel boot line |
| 15:12.09 | TheStapler | I am not familiar with that command, what will that do? |
| 15:12.18 | nkuttler | nohklm: are you proxying stuff? |
| 15:12.22 | nkuttler | TheStapler: bypass the init system |
| 15:12.28 | Walex | jasonwc: if there is a file in that directory delete it. |
| 15:12.46 | nkuttler | TheStapler: you have to edit the kernel command line in grub for that though, removing the virtual card is probably easier |
| 15:12.46 | nohklm | nkuttler: no. |
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| 15:13.10 | nkuttler | nohklm: that's... odd. not sure then |
| 15:13.23 | Walex | jasonwc: if you are really keen download the file as of version 5.41, and then add manually the entry for the MX100 copied (and perhaps reformatted) from: http://sourceforge.net/p/smartmontools/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/smartmontools/drivedb.h |
| 15:13.37 | nkuttler | nohklm: oh, wait, that's for client timeouts |
| 15:14.01 | nkuttler | nohklm: sounds like broken http clients to me |
| 15:14.15 | Walex | jasonwc: anyhow that newest 'drivedb.h' says that on the MX100 too the 'Percent_Lifetime_Used' is offset 202 |
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| 15:14.35 | jasonwc | Walex, in that case no need |
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| 15:15.10 | Walex | jasonwc: and 'Total_Host_Sector_Write' is offset 246 |
| 15:15.47 | jasonwc | Walex, any idea if it's based on a hardcoded write endurance (72TB is the warranty for this drive) or based on failing sectors? Anandtech showed even the TLC-based Samsung 840 managed 600TB of writes and the 840 Pro survived even at 1.5PB |
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| 15:16.12 | Walex | jasonwc: that's a pointless question. |
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| 15:16.25 | jasonwc | why? |
| 15:16.39 | nohklm | nkuttler: ok I was just told in #httpd this is common |
| 15:16.39 | Walex | jasonwc: only the authors of the firmware know. |
| 15:16.48 | nohklm | likely probes/scanners |
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| 15:16.53 | jasonwc | Would the sectors in that case be physical or logical? |
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| 15:17.12 | nkuttler | nohklm: probably, yeah |
| 15:17.21 | Walex | jasonwc: also a lot of useful lifetime depends on circumstances, and even hard disks have a rated maximum write lifetime. |
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| 15:17.35 | Walex | jasonwc: host sectors would most likely be logical. |
| 15:17.59 | Walex | jasonwc: and some hard disks have a _lower_ write lifetime than SSDs... |
| 15:18.10 | jasonwc | lol, really? |
| 15:18.25 | jasonwc | i didn't realize HDDs even had a write lifetime other than from mechanical failure |
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| 15:18.53 | Walex | jasonwc: and that can be lower than SSDs... |
| 15:19.24 | TheStapler | nkuttler, so, I remove the interface card, and it booted up fine... added it back, same hanging issue :( |
| 15:19.30 | jasonwc | thanks for the help Walex |
| 15:19.41 | Walex | jasonwc: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-one.html#140104 |
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| 15:19.52 | Walex | jasonwc: BTW here with Debian 7/wheezy I have |
| 15:19.58 | nkuttler | TheStapler: ah, yeah. if you use the init method you get a working system with the card, to debug the network |
| 15:20.05 | jasonwc | that's very similar to the disks I'm using |
| 15:20.23 | nkuttler | TheStapler: assuming you are able to debug such things? |
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| 15:20.38 | jasonwc | Walex, http://www.hgst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/0BF8B842F66D454288257C74007E842B/$file/DS_NAS_spec.pdf |
| 15:20.45 | jasonwc | i don't see a write rating though |
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| 15:20.58 | rgr | In these days of so very cheap external usb *fast* drives for backup I would be hard pressed to think of a single good reason to have a proper HD in any new machine over an SSD. Moving my OS, main apps and git projects to the internal SSD has transformed my work experience. |
| 15:21.06 | jasonwc | although, I don't do many writes |
| 15:21.09 | jasonwc | tons of reads, few writes |
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| 15:23.39 | jasonwc | rgr, for bulk storage |
| 15:23.49 | jasonwc | rgr, SATA is faster than USB |
| 15:23.52 | jasonwc | and less overhead |
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| 15:24.07 | jasonwc | and i have no desire to connect 24 drives via USB :P |
| 15:24.11 | derpherder | USB storage? ::CRINGE:: |
| 15:24.23 | kovshenin | hey folks, I'm running wheezy and can't seem to get nfs-kernel-server to work, I keep getting the following error when I try to start it: nfsdrpc.nfsd: writing fd to kernel failed: errno 5 (Input/output error) |
| 15:24.23 | jasonwc | I think ZFS would not be happy with that setup |
| 15:24.30 | nkuttler | usb storage is for laptops. if at all. |
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| 15:24.49 | derpherder | nkuttler, eSATA ftw!!! |
| 15:24.59 | Walex | jasonwc: http://www.hgst.com/hard-drives/enterprise-hard-drives/enterprise-sata-drives/megascale-dc-4000b says "MegaScale DC addresses low application workloads that operate within 180TB per year". |
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| 15:26.08 | jasonwc | yeah, i saw |
| 15:26.18 | jasonwc | just saying I don't see anything listed for my NAS drive although I imagine it's no better |
| 15:26.20 | Walex | jasonwc: in that page they are clear about that aspect of the drive. Other drives not so much. |
| 15:26.25 | jasonwc | right |
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| 15:26.30 | jasonwc | i'm not getting anywhere near 180 TB |
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| 15:27.35 | lroe | Not sure where to ask this... Does anyone know how I can test to see if a pfx cert file has everything it needs with regards to making a complete cert chain? |
| 15:27.59 | rgr | for incremental backups using rsync on my own machiens usb is fine. mount, backup, umount. SATA of course has its place - but rarely for me now. |
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| 15:28.30 | nkuttler | in my experience, usb devices tend to get lost sooner or later |
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| 15:28.46 | nkuttler | or wrt backups, people get too lazy to do them manually |
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| 15:29.14 | Walex | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.31 | rgr | not when they are connected full time in a cupboard behing the machine. mount/umount <> disconnected. |
| 15:29.33 | jasonwc | Walex, yeah, it's using logical sectors for 246. zpool iostat shows avg write speed since boot so it's easy to calcualte data written (first use of drive) |
| 15:30.03 | Walex | nkuttler: as to small devices I always try to buy them in pink or other fluorescent colors to make it easier to find them if dropped or misplaced. |
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| 15:30.48 | Walex | not sure if he'd go as far as getting "Hello Kitty" themed small SUSB devices :-) |
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| 15:31.10 | TheStapler | nkuttler, so, i removed the network card, rebooted, changed from static to dhcp, rebooted, added the network card back... it got the dhcp address... and showed when it would renew, and it hangs there now... ARGH! |
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| 15:31.41 | Walex | lroe: you can look inside certs with 'openssl' or various other tools, up to you to double check the chain is complete :-) |
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| 15:33.25 | lroe | Walex, web clients, wpa-supplicants, etc can resolve a certificate chain automatically, there has to be a tool that doesn't require me to install the cert into a service first |
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| 15:37.12 | RayzrShrp | wow i just removed a ton of stuff that was no longer needed on my VPS. X installs a ton of cruft |
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| 15:37.28 | RayzrShrp | i installed it once and the relics were everywhere |
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| 15:38.13 | RayzrShrp | im going to try to learn iptables inside and out and it's pretty daunting |
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| 15:43.10 | petn-randall | RayzrShrp: Start at http://lartc.org and work your way through. When you know iptables you'll have the basic for an abstraction system like shorewall. |
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| 15:45.34 | RayzrShrp | brb |
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| 15:46.42 | RayzrShrp | well crap |
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| 15:47.00 | RayzrShrp | echo $LANG no returns nothing and my weechat has all these funky characters on the screen now |
| 15:47.07 | RayzrShrp | what could i have removed that would cause this behavior |
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| 15:50.42 | Walex | RayzrShrp: 'iptables' itself is simple. Understanding networking well enough to make good choices is not so simple |
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| 15:52.04 | Walex | RayzrShrp: to use Aptitude to manager packages and dependencies: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html#130414 |
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| 15:52.30 | RayzrShrp | Walex: yeah i know how to use aptitude i just dont know what got removed so now echo $LANG just shows a blank line |
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| 15:53.01 | Walex | RayzrShrp: for 'iptables' itself: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxIptables.html |
| 15:53.03 | farmbuyer | RayzrShrp: check /etc/default/locale ? |
| 15:53.33 | farmbuyer | might have to trace backwards from there |
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| 15:54.02 | farmbuyer | i.e., if that file got auto-generated then see what its generator is looking at to make decisions, lather rinse repeat |
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| 15:54.06 | Walex | RayzrShrp: https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage https://people.debian.org/~schultmc/locales.html |
| 15:54.24 | Walex | RayzrShrp: https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 15:59.15 | ZeroBeholder | aww... I'm not welcome in debian-next |
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| 15:59.28 | ZeroBeholder | Anyway, found a low hanging fruit typo |
| 15:59.29 | ZeroBeholder | Where would I create a patch? |
| 15:59.31 | ZeroBeholder | I don't really want to become a dedicated developer for such a stupid little fix. |
| 15:59.39 | heurist | ZeroBeholder: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not freenode |
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| 16:00.02 | ZeroBeholder | pstree error message should include "an" and not "anx" |
| 16:00.29 | ZeroBeholder | I am on a lot of IRC networks, I get the proper declination from my IRC client. |
| 16:00.36 | ZeroBeholder | Invite only... |
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| 16:01.47 | ZeroBeholder | My google results are filled with modifying the /etc/apt/sources . Quick pointer to get me going please. |
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| 16:02.02 | ZeroBeholder | Or downloading package sources |
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| 16:03.52 | ZeroBeholder | github/Debian is not where I want to be. Public source repo location for the Debian OS is what I am looking for. I imagine making a patch is the same as for other distros. |
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| 16:05.37 | nohklm | ZeroBeholder: you want to submit a patch for pstree? |
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| 16:06.45 | Blakney | Hm, I was just wondering: After starting iceweasel it always connects to some akamai server and I have no idea why. Could someone maybe give some hints? |
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| 16:07.04 | nohklm | Blakney: maybe an addon? what is the address? |
| 16:07.20 | mlq | Hello! I have a question: I want to make a chroot where I've installed additional packages to automate some builds which I don't want to have installed by default on my system. In fact I would need several of those. Is there a script/tool to manage such things easily (like mkvirtualenv for python)? |
| 16:07.42 | ZeroBeholder | Correct. The tiny very helpful /bin command has a small typo in an error message. |
| 16:07.52 | nohklm | ZeroBeholder: the package for pstree is 'psmisc' |
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| 16:08.02 | nohklm | ZeroBeholder: and the official source for psmisc is http://psmisc.sf.net/ |
| 16:08.09 | dgm816 | mlq: maybe fakeroot? |
| 16:08.18 | ZeroBeholder | Thanks |
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| 16:08.39 | ZeroBeholder | */usr/bin sorry, my mistake. |
| 16:08.40 | Blakney | nohklm There seems to be different addresses and indeed I was thinking about an add-on too but I'm not sure about it (I have greasmonkey, adblock edge, noscript, https-everywhere). |
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| 16:08.46 | nohklm | ZeroBeholder: you're welcome. how I got this: which pstree|xargs dpkg -S |
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| 16:09.09 | nohklm | ZeroBeholder: it returns: 'psmisc: /usr/bin/pstree'. then apt-cache show psmisc |
| 16:09.22 | nohklm | ZeroBeholder: and look for the 'Homepage:' field |
| 16:10.05 | nohklm | Blakney: try disabling all addons, re-enable 1 by 1. See which one calls the remote server. |
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| 16:10.34 | nohklm | Blakney: you can also inspect traffic with tools like wireshark |
| 16:10.35 | Blakney | nohklm ips are e.g. 23.43.75.27 or 23.37.43.27 ok, thx, I'll try. |
| 16:10.36 | wchance | I installed a Qlogic 7140 Infiniband in to my server just found out that Qlogic and Intel have discontinued this product. It would seem also they never supported it with Debian. From what I read there should be a way to use the kernel driver. I want to do ipoib and I already installed opensm. What am I missing here? |
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| 16:11.56 | nohklm | Blakney: Iceweasel should not call anything except addon/userscripts update servers. |
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| 16:12.31 | nohklm | Blakney: and Firefox sync servers if you have enabled it. |
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| 16:13.00 | Blakney | nohklm Indeed, it seems to be some kind of add-on issue - after having disabled all of it, there is no connection at all. I'm trying to figure out which one is it. |
| 16:13.05 | RayzrShrp | ok i really messed this up |
| 16:13.31 | nohklm | Blakney: I suggest installing http://requestpolicycontinued.github.io/ if you want control over cross-site requests |
| 16:13.38 | RayzrShrp | aptitude now looks awful and the ascii graphics are all messed up |
| 16:13.45 | jelly-home | wchance: if there's a driver in vanilla kernel, it might work |
| 16:13.56 | RayzrShrp | anybody know where the echo $LANG pulls its output from? |
| 16:13.57 | ChrisH | wchance: did the kernel detect the card? check lspci -k and you should see a corrsponding module attached. I dunno more about Infiband cards. |
| 16:13.57 | nohklm | Blakney: help on testing/debugging is welcome |
| 16:14.16 | sloun | RayzrShrp: from locales |
| 16:14.16 | jelly-home | wchance: what's the pci-id? |
| 16:14.41 | RayzrShrp | so if i do echo $LANG and it just returns a blank line did i remove my locale? |
| 16:14.52 | jelly-home | wchance: (lspci -nn will show the [xxxx:xxxx] number, with other info) |
| 16:15.08 | wchance | jelly-home: how do I find the pci-id and how do a search in vanilla kernel? |
| 16:15.19 | sloun | RayzrShrp: /etc/default/locale contains what you want |
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| 16:15.59 | RayzrShrp | yeah i see the info in there but it doesnt seem to be working hence the goofy ascii characters in weechat and aptitude |
| 16:16.10 | RayzrShrp | its like what it points to is not really there |
| 16:16.16 | wchance | jelly-home: 04:00.0 InfiniBand [0c06]: QLogic, Corp. IBA6120 InfiniBand HCA [1fc1:0010] (rev 02) |
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| 16:16.44 | Blakney | nohklm thank you for the link, indeed I used requestpolicy before, I will install it again. I'm checking the add-ons one after the other |
| 16:16.48 | sloun | RayzrShrp: maybe, missing some fonts? |
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| 16:17.23 | nohklm | Blakney: I think the requestpolicy log viewer can help you know what URL is called, not just the IP |
| 16:17.27 | RayzrShrp | well crap |
| 16:17.37 | RayzrShrp | but echo $LANG is blank |
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| 16:18.14 | ZeroBeholder | nohklm: Thanks, putting this in my notes. Might be helpful later. |
| 16:18.18 | nohklm | RayzrShrp: Have you tried dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 16:18.21 | sloun | RayzrShrp: did u generate locales? |
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| 16:18.55 | ChrisH | wchance: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/INFINIBAND_IPATH.html sounds like its in vailla kerbnel |
| 16:19.01 | jelly-home | judd: pciid 1fc1:0010 |
| 16:19.02 | judd | [1fc1:0010] is 'IBA6120 InfiniBand HCA' from 'QLogic, Corp.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1fc1:0010 |
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| 16:19.17 | jelly-home | wchance: welp, apparently no driver |
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| 16:20.55 | RayzrShrp | nothing has changed other then i removed x-common and apache and mysql |
| 16:21.00 | wchance | jelly-home: thanks for the help |
| 16:21.04 | RayzrShrp | i think i some how removed something i needed |
| 16:21.15 | RayzrShrp | grrr so frustrating how you remove something and something else breaks |
| 16:21.16 | ChrisH | wchance: ib_ipath shoould do the trick. |
| 16:22.37 | wchance | ChrisH: Thanks for that just need to figure out how to install it. |
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| 16:23.02 | wchance | ChrisH: or config |
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| 16:24.09 | dcorbin | I attempt "apt-get remove -f <package>" It fails: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/85056ce109a40c4fb134 How do I get this removed? |
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| 16:26.22 | Blakney | nohklm culprit found: it seems it was the add-on flash video downloader. actually it connects to two servers for a short time at ever browser start. thank you for the hints. |
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| 16:27.04 | RayzrShrp | sloun: yeah i generated them |
| 16:27.14 | RayzrShrp | still echo $LANG is blank |
| 16:27.27 | Artox | good day everyone; I have a problem with packaging some proprietary bianry blobs: my package installs a library that depends on libdirectfb-1.6.so.0, but that is not part of debian wheezy. So dpkg-shlibdeps fails. Is tehre a way I can tell it to ignore the need for this specific library? |
| 16:27.50 | nohklm | Blakney: you may want to try this userscript instead http://isebaro.com/viewtube/?ln=en |
| 16:28.05 | sloun | RayzrShrp: try re-login, then type env. U should see all terminal variables and LANG too |
| 16:28.14 | nohklm | Blakney: youtube-dl is pretty cool too https://packages.debian.org/jessie/youtube-dl |
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| 16:28.47 | sloun | RayzrShrp: I mean open new termimal window |
| 16:28.47 | Blakney | nohklm that's great, actually I was looking for something like that, thanks! |
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| 16:29.18 | nohklm | Blakney: youtube-dl has a GUI too, but you must install it through python-pip |
| 16:29.37 | RayzrShrp | sloun: i tried reloading the box and still no dice |
| 16:30.46 | nohklm | it's still not packaged for debian http://bugs.debian.org/753350 |
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| 16:31.06 | RayzrShrp | env makes no mention of LANG |
| 16:31.20 | Blakney | nohklm do I need the youtube-dl, if I installed viewtube? It seems there is a download option too. |
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| 16:31.44 | sloun | RayzrShrp: is this some hosting box? |
| 16:31.56 | nohklm | Blakney: they are 2 different tools. youtube-dl is a command line tool and works for more sites |
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| 16:32.41 | RayzrShrp | sloun: yes |
| 16:32.42 | wchance | ChrisH: the command modprobe CONFIG_INFINBAND_IPATH does not show anything |
| 16:33.01 | RayzrShrp | sloun: everything was working perfectly until i went apt-get remove happy |
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| 16:33.39 | Blakney | nohklm Ok, I see, thank you. I will check it out. |
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| 16:35.17 | sloun | RayzrShrp: often there are some files in profile.d directory (or in any other where hosting guys may put it). If the probles is just in LANG, you can put this variable in your ~/.bashrc or ~/.zshrc or ~/.etc |
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| 16:36.45 | RayzrShrp | ok ran dpkg-reconfigure locales and still echo $LANG is blank |
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| 16:37.31 | RayzrShrp | also aptitude is all messed up looking |
| 16:37.35 | RayzrShrp | wtf did i remove lol |
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| 16:38.00 | RayzrShrp | i removed xwindows and apache and php and mysql and that breaks my language nice |
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| 16:38.23 | sloun | RayzrShrp: what is in your /etc/default/locale? |
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| 16:38.39 | RayzrShrp | LANGUAGE=en_US:en |
| 16:38.44 | RayzrShrp | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 16:39.40 | sloun | RayzrShrp: did U write something to it? |
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| 16:40.08 | okee | I am having a problem resetting the permissions for my documents folder. I locked it down yesterday, before letting someone else use the computer and now the folder is not responding to commands, that would allow me read and write access. Any idea what might be causing the problem? |
| 16:40.14 | RayzrShrp | sloun: what do you mean? its like it always was |
| 16:40.37 | RayzrShrp | the files new timestamp is nov18 yes |
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| 16:41.02 | RayzrShrp | did i some how remove the UTF8 font or something? |
| 16:41.15 | farmbuyer | RayzrShrp: and I apologize for the dumb question, but just to make sure all bases are covered... you are source |
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| 16:41.26 | farmbuyer | 'ing that file sometime, right? |
| 16:41.35 | sloun | RayzrShrp: I mean, did U change it manually? |
| 16:41.37 | farmbuyer | ...random Enter keypressing aside... |
| 16:41.40 | RayzrShrp | sloun: no |
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| 16:41.55 | RayzrShrp | farmbuyer: i dont think its getting sourced, its like it got removed from my env |
| 16:42.03 | RayzrShrp | farmbuyer: which might explain echo $LANG being blank |
| 16:43.21 | ChrisH | wchance: modprobe ib_ipath |
| 16:43.57 | RayzrShrp | farmbuyer: how do i tell it to use that /etc/default/locale file for my profile |
| 16:44.03 | JyZyXEL | are /proc, /sys*, /dev* all meant for kernel space to user space communication? |
| 16:44.15 | farmbuyer | RayzrShrp: you could either grep like a fiend over /etc/profile.d and associated places to see where (and whether!) the file is being used, or you could hackishly put something like "echo HOLY CRAP IT'S FULL OF STARS" into the file and see what shows up in a newly started shell |
| 16:45.10 | RayzrShrp | farmbuyer: my profile.d is empty |
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| 16:45.42 | centrx | JyZyXEL, /dev/ contains device files that connect hardware to the filesystem for use by other processes |
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| 16:46.01 | JyZyXEL | so, kind of a: yes |
| 16:46.17 | rgr | okee: what do you mean you "locked it down"? What does "stat Documents" say? |
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| 16:47.08 | farmbuyer | RayzrShrp: that's not uncommon in itself |
| 16:47.11 | centrx | JyZyXEL, Yes, they are all magical directories |
| 16:47.30 | farmbuyer | and I honestly don't recall now what else normally looks at /etc/default/locale |
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| 16:47.49 | RayzrShrp | farmbuyer: its like the locale is set btu the fonts for it are missing |
| 16:47.53 | wchance | ChrisH: ERROR: could not insert 'ib_ipath': Device or resource busy |
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| 16:48.03 | rgr | what makes you think the fonts are missing? |
| 16:48.07 | farmbuyer | something in the system boot sequence maybe, so either /etc/init.d/* or systemd or upstart, etcetera |
| 16:48.15 | okee | rgr> First line is (0755/drwxr-xr-x) |
| 16:48.28 | rgr | okee: put the lot into pastebin |
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| 16:48.32 | ChrisH | wchance: lsmod | grep ib_ |
| 16:48.45 | RayzrShrp | rgr: well the /etc/default/locale looks right |
| 16:49.03 | rgr | Lets not worry about what looks right. Why do you think the fonts are not there? |
| 16:49.05 | RayzrShrp | rgr: running sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales works |
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| 16:49.18 | rgr | what does "works" mean? What is the issue with fonts? |
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| 16:49.25 | okee | rgr> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d75c566b/ |
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| 16:49.34 | RayzrShrp | rgr: when i run weechat or aptitude the characters for lines are all goofy loking |
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| 16:49.54 | RayzrShrp | rgr: like it doesnt have the right encoding set to use |
| 16:49.57 | rgr | did you restart? |
| 16:50.03 | RayzrShrp | rgr: yes |
| 16:50.20 | farmbuyer | is LANG exported to subprocesses? |
| 16:50.24 | rgr | what does goofy looking mean? imgurl with a screenshot perhaps. |
| 16:50.25 | RayzrShrp | rgr: i must have removed something that was needed, i was removeing xwindows and apache and mysql |
| 16:50.58 | rgr | if you remove xwindows then I would expect things to be messed up a little. aptitude from the command line I take it? |
| 16:51.05 | wchance | ChrisH: got a few different ones but not ib_ipath |
| 16:51.05 | rgr | (just making sure) |
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| 16:51.31 | rgr | okee: and the issue is? the permissions look fine. |
| 16:51.44 | RayzrShrp | rgr: yes and weechat |
| 16:51.58 | rgr | and they havent been changed since september |
| 16:52.27 | rgr | oh maybe not. actually Im not sure there. man stat to be sure. |
| 16:52.34 | RayzrShrp | farmbuyer: i dont think LANG is getting loaded since echo $LANG is blank |
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| 16:52.53 | okee | rgr> I can't access the documents folder, and all subfolders have a red X on them. A review of the permissions indicates "none". This is unusual because the other directories and drives usually ask me for password to access them, while this folder doesn't prompt. Yesterday the folder permissions was changed to none, but now it won't go back. |
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| 16:53.57 | Mmike | Hi, lads. I deleted a large file (150GB) with rm. But, df doesn't show that disk space usage decreased. lsof doesn't show that anything is still 'holding' that file, and I'm out of hints. :/ |
| 16:54.21 | RayzrShrp | rgr:http://picpaste.com/Capture-PDRc297X.PNG |
| 16:54.30 | RayzrShrp | rgr:http://picpaste.com/Capture1-G6ZwbgZS.PNG |
| 16:54.31 | ChrisH | Mmike: unlinked file ... som process still has a filehandle open. |
| 16:55.00 | rgr | okee: they look fine to me. 1000 being your first user (asd you I assume) |
| 16:55.01 | ChrisH | wchance: then I am more or less through with my ideas. check dmesg |
| 16:55.02 | RayzrShrp | rgr: when i quit aptitude the yes/no dialog box is all whacked |
| 16:55.10 | farmbuyer | RayzrShrp: simple test, try ". /etc/default/locale" and then "export LANG", see what things look like then |
| 16:55.11 | okee | rgr> When selecting the folder with the right mouse button, it shows the owner has no access, but groups and others have read access. |
| 16:55.17 | okee | rgr> asd is me |
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| 16:55.33 | rgr | what about from cli? |
| 16:55.38 | rgr | can you cd in and ls etc? |
| 16:55.40 | Mmike | ChrisH: but, lsof should list me that process, right? |
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| 16:55.52 | Mmike | lsof +L1, under (deleted), nothing points to my frile |
| 16:55.53 | Mmike | file |
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| 16:56.24 | RayzrShrp | farmbuyer: yes that did it i think |
| 16:56.29 | rgr | that looks more like term escape codes for colours! |
| 16:56.41 | okee | rgr> I can cd into the Documents folder, but can not cd into the sub-folder, and receive a permission denied. |
| 16:56.43 | RayzrShrp | brb need to reload weechat to check |
| 16:56.44 | rgr | nowt to do with font |
| 16:57.11 | rgr | okee: ok so obviously stat the subfolder now and report back.... |
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| 16:57.30 | RayzrShrp | farmbuyer: ok it fixed aptitude but not weechat |
| 16:58.06 | RayzrShrp | farmbuyer: how do i make that save to my lang env variable |
| 16:58.07 | rgr | RayzrShrp: are you running some sort of 1337 .xsession startup profile? |
| 16:58.19 | RayzrShrp | rgr i dont think so |
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| 16:58.23 | rgr | RayzrShrp: you shouldnt have to Debian should source it as part of the normal startup. |
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| 16:58.44 | RayzrShrp | rgr: so some how i broke that |
| 16:58.54 | farmbuyer | RayzrShrp: I know nothing about weechat specifically, but a common problem with other software is that LANG isn't even looked at, but other variables like LC_* are |
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| 16:59.27 | rgr | I would google up how the startup inits the locales and then check from your login dialog the default start session. I doubt very much if ONLY X sources teh locale stuff. But maybe it does. |
| 16:59.41 | jelly-home | Mmike: what was the file used for? Do a normal lsof -n|grep deleted |
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| 17:00.48 | okee | rgr> only three folders will stat, the rest will not http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4dd9502c/ |
| 17:01.28 | rgr | none of them are foolders... |
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| 17:02.20 | rgr | at the end of the day you could recursivly chown and chgroup the Documents folder. But I get the feeling you should learn about permissions etc a bit more first. |
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| 17:02.35 | rgr | backup if you havent already. |
| 17:03.11 | Mmike | jelly-home: I used dd to create a image of a external hdd. When dd was done I used pv | pigz to compress that file. After pv|pigz completed I issued rm on that file. |
| 17:03.39 | Mmike | lsof doesn't show anything (there is tons of deleted files from chrome cache, and some other stuff in /tmp/ and /var/tmp, but my huge file is not listed there) |
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| 17:04.34 | jelly-home | Mmike: and you didn't actually use said image at any point? |
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| 17:05.04 | jelly-home | Mmike: for eg. a loopback device to peek inside it? |
| 17:05.59 | Mmike | jelly: I did, some time ago, yes. But I umounted it way before I started compressing it. |
| 17:06.38 | jelly-home | Mmike: make sure the loopback device in question is destroyed |
| 17:06.48 | okee | rgr> Progress is being made, and I have been able to change the permissions in the password folder. I am going to change the permissions in the other subfolders recursively. |
| 17:07.01 | rgr | password folder????? |
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| 17:07.18 | rgr | You said this was your Documents folder. |
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| 17:08.09 | Mmike | jelly: oh, oh oh! |
| 17:08.13 | Mmike | jelly: I owe you more beers! |
| 17:08.27 | Mmike | that should be it, i did use losetup :) |
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| 17:08.56 | Mmike | root@MIKE ~> losetup -a |
| 17:08.57 | Mmike | /dev/loop4: [0801]:24772610 (/mnt/sda1/ISO/mario/ashu-backup/ashu.ddimg) |
| 17:09.06 | jelly-home | !next |
| 17:09.07 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 17:11.16 | coventry | Is there a way to tell a debian machine to halt immediately, without going through the powerdown sequence, as if you'd just pulled the plug on it? |
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| 17:11.44 | somiaj | coventry: why do you want to do that? It is usually dangerous to not sync your file systems and umount them before shuting them down. |
| 17:11.59 | dgm816 | i suppose you could install a kernel module that will kernel panic.. thats about as close as i can think.. |
| 17:12.03 | somiaj | shutdown -h now will shut it down, but it will shut it down nicely. (: |
| 17:12.14 | somiaj | but it won't actually shut down the machine. |
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| 17:12.25 | jelly-home | coventry: /proc/sysrq-trigger can be abused for such purposes |
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| 17:12.45 | mofino | jelly-home, nice |
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| 17:13.04 | jelly-home | !tell coventry about sysrq |
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| 17:13.24 | coventry | somiaj: I know it's dangerous, not something I would want to do very often. |
| 17:13.34 | coventry | jelly-home: Thanks. |
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| 17:14.26 | jelly-home | things like hung nfs mount points can prevent buggy sysvinit shutdown scripts from rebooting |
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| 17:15.08 | mofino | coventry, can also use: reboot -d -f |
| 17:15.37 | mofino | feeding sysrq-trigger is nice though |
| 17:15.54 | mofino | doesn't require working storage |
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| 17:17.14 | Mmike | jelly-home++ |
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| 17:18.09 | jelly-home | mofino: precisely |
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| 17:29.44 | edu | hi - just installed wheezy-lxde, i need to change the actual time on the bottom panel, what file or command i need to edit. thanks |
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| 17:29.51 | banjo | jelly-home: i dont understand fdisk:) the problem is that i want to multiboot. |
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| 17:30.21 | farmbuyer | edu: Is the time completely wrong, or is the correct time but wrong timezone? |
| 17:31.14 | edu | wrong time |
| 17:31.25 | jelly-home | banjo: do try to understand it thoroughly before setting up multiboot and various *BSD OSes on the same disk. |
| 17:32.11 | banjo | but what i dont understand is stetting up an openbsd partition with cfdisk its not labels as openbsd filesystem |
| 17:32.42 | edu | i know there is a command to change this, i can't remember |
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| 17:33.42 | edu | i need the time for Panama, but i fucked up and chose Spain |
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| 17:35.21 | farmbuyer | something like dpkg-reconfigure timezone, or /sbin/hwclock, depending on what's gone wrong |
| 17:35.24 | mofino | edu, you are looking to change your timezone? dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 17:36.10 | edu | thank you very much ! |
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| 17:36.44 | jhutchins | ntp |
| 17:36.48 | jhutchins | !ntp |
| 17:36.48 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
| 17:38.30 | edu | thank you guys! |
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| 17:39.33 | kakuranger | Bremsstrahlung: noooo waaaa |
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| 17:39.46 | jelly-home | \ |
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| 17:40.46 | RayzrShrp | hmmm ok so manually exporting the LANG in my .profile fixes it but i wonder what i broke so debian doesnt do that for me |
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| 17:42.25 | RayzrShrp | anybody know how debian handles setting the LANG variable out of the box? |
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| 17:43.10 | centrx | I think it uses the locales package for it? |
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| 17:43.56 | RayzrShrp | i have locales installed but it wasnt setting my $LANG variable correctly |
| 17:44.08 | farmbuyer | My /etc/bash.bashrc has something like '[ -n "$LANG" ] && export LANG' if I remember right |
| 17:44.34 | farmbuyer | It was being set corrrectly in /etc/default/locale, but not exported to subprocess. |
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| 17:45.25 | RayzrShrp | i think thats what mine is doing |
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| 17:45.59 | ledufakademy | hello |
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| 17:46.56 | wchance | ChrisH: Just found out that my model card uses ib_qib instead of ib_ipath does that change anything? |
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| 17:47.22 | RayzrShrp | oh well i give up |
| 17:47.30 | RayzrShrp | i have no idea why debian broke |
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| 17:48.43 | RayzrShrp | prob buried somewhere deep in the bowels of it |
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| 17:54.09 | Pixionus | .. so I configured a server's interfaces config for dhcp and it got installed at a client's site that has assigned us a static ip only... We run Salt (which lives on zeroMQ) and if the server is restarted it will call home, but i'm not sure it will reach us because of the configuration. |
| 17:54.26 | Pixionus | Anyone know how this might work or how I could get in contact with the server? |
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| 17:58.09 | ledufakademy | hello, sinc update i cannot launch nautilus (file) with favorite left bar |
| 17:58.20 | ledufakademy | do you have any idea of this ? |
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| 18:00.16 | centrx | ledufakademy, Is nautilus still installed? |
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| 18:00.33 | centrx | ledufakademy, Are you running Debian stable? Do you have any third-party repositories? |
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| 18:01.01 | ledufakademy | yes beacause when i click twice on desktop shrotcut nautilus work |
| 18:01.17 | ledufakademy | no jessie :-X |
| 18:01.35 | centrx | ledufakademy, okay, try running this from the console: apt-get install nautilus |
| 18:01.38 | centrx | as root/sudo |
| 18:01.59 | centrx | ledufakademy, It may have become uninstalled with complicated upgrading in jessie |
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| 18:05.15 | ledufakademy | thnal you centrx, apt said that nautilus is update to date and already installed |
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| 18:07.00 | centrx | ledufakademy, If you run "nautilus" from the console (NOT as root), does it work? |
| 18:07.12 | centrx | ledufakademy, May just be the shortcut was orphaned |
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| 18:08.06 | ledufakademy | nautilus and nothing appera (oups ;-)) |
| 18:08.23 | teraflops | ledufakademy: do you have a nutilus process running?, in that case try to kill that process |
| 18:08.37 | teraflops | then re launch nautilus |
| 18:09.18 | RayzrShrp | so i setup public key auth for my linux VPS and I can get into it using putty and securecrt on windows but how do i ssh into it from another linux box's command line? |
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| 18:10.24 | ledufakademy | hum |
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| 18:10.50 | ledufakademy | when id do a "ps -aux \ grep nautilus" i can see nautilus -n ! |
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| 18:10.55 | ledufakademy | then kill -9 it |
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| 18:11.06 | ledufakademy | then relaunch nautilus it's ok |
| 18:11.22 | ledufakademy | and i can clik on left bar shortcut |
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| 18:11.55 | heurist | RayzrShrp: ssh machinename|ipaddress you might need to convert the keys from putty format to standard openssh format. |
| 18:12.07 | ledufakademy | so i suppose that when opening session gnome launch with -n option why ? |
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| 18:12.40 | ledufakademy | after restar nautilus the option is : --gapplication-service |
| 18:12.49 | teraflops | ledufakademy: do not suppose just try it and see, simply login out |
| 18:12.59 | ledufakademy | ok lgout |
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| 18:16.26 | teraflops | ledufakademy: i noticed that behaviour before ramdonly not only on debian btw |
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| 18:19.20 | RayzrShrp | ok cool i got it, needed to create a new public key |
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| 18:24.57 | marioxcc | hello. how does debian prevents shut downs from leaving the system in an inconsistent state, for instance, with half-executed logrotates? |
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| 18:28.15 | centrx | marioxcc, You mean an "unclean" shut down, as related to the filesystem? |
| 18:28.18 | nkuttler | marioxcc: does logrotate more than renaming files? sounds like something that's done on the filesystem/kernel level |
| 18:29.07 | marioxcc | centrx, nukleon: no, I mean normal shutdowns |
| 18:29.18 | nkuttler | marioxcc: and called by cron by default, so you probably want to ask what cron does when interrupted by reboot |
| 18:29.20 | marioxcc | nkuttler: renames and compresses |
| 18:29.31 | centrx | marioxcc, It gives processes the opportunity to finish before destroying them |
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| 18:29.53 | marioxcc | centrx: ok, that's the "stop" in the sysvinit scripts, rights? |
| 18:29.54 | okee | How do I access windows drives at the command line in linux; I am running dual boot. |
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| 18:30.08 | nkuttler | okee: mount them and cd into them? |
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| 18:30.21 | centrx | marioxcc, Yes |
| 18:30.41 | marioxcc | thanks centrx |
| 18:30.45 | centrx | marioxcc, processes that don't have init scripts are sent a friendly signal and get a few seconds to shut down |
| 18:31.33 | okee | nkuttler> I get error message: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2a28152e/ |
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| 18:32.09 | marioxcc | centrx: ok, which signal is that? |
| 18:32.42 | nkuttler | okee: where's the error? |
| 18:33.12 | okee | nkuttler> At the command line http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2a28152e/ |
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| 18:33.30 | Pixionus | okee, that's not an error message |
| 18:33.35 | nkuttler | okee: i see no error |
| 18:34.04 | okee | Pixionus> I guess my problem is finding them. |
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| 18:34.29 | Pixionus | Looks more like you ran ls -ld |
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| 18:34.58 | Pixionus | Just gives you a detail of the directories contents |
| 18:35.06 | Pixionus | http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/07/linux-ls-command-examples/ |
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| 18:36.28 | RayzrShrp | so jessie is frozen now? |
| 18:36.41 | dondelelcaro | RayzrShrp: yes. |
| 18:36.45 | RayzrShrp | nice |
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| 18:37.46 | marioxcc | why is it that I didn't get anything from debian-announce about jessie freezing? |
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| 18:40.03 | nkuttler | marioxcc: freeze isn't really relevant for most users, only people who want to help development |
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| 18:40.49 | marioxcc | nkuttler: ok |
| 18:40.51 | TriJetScud | hm... how soon will jessie be released? |
| 18:41.18 | nkuttler | TriJetScud: when it's ready |
| 18:41.40 | TriJetScud | ah |
| 18:41.41 | jelly-home | marioxcc: it appeared on debian-devel-announce, however: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00003.html |
| 18:42.13 | marioxcc | jelly-home: ok :) |
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| 18:43.36 | TriJetScud | so where are the hv_vss_daemons and hv_kvp_daemons located inside jessie package wise |
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| 18:44.07 | nkuttler | TriJetScud: are those programs, or..? |
| 18:44.23 | nkuttler | !tell TriJetScud about apt-file |
| 18:44.26 | TriJetScud | well they are userspace daemons that communicate to the KVP bus |
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| 18:44.54 | TriJetScud | ah nkuttler, that's the answer I'm looking for |
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| 18:47.22 | TriJetScud | hm... doing an apt-file search hv_kvp_daemon still turns up empty for jessie |
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| 18:47.45 | heurist | TriJetScud: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:47.46 | nkuttler | TriJetScud: yup, same thing here |
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| 18:47.51 | TriJetScud | okay, no problem, I'll just build my own hv-userspace-daemons package |
| 18:48.03 | TriJetScud | which I already do for my own wheezy/squeeze images |
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| 18:48.59 | nkuttler | TriJetScud: for the next release, you can work on getting it packaged, or do it yourself |
| 18:49.10 | TriJetScud | nkuttler: I already do have a package |
| 18:49.13 | Zerock | What packages do I need for spell checking to work in LibreOffice Writer? I have hunspell and a dictionary for my locale. |
| 18:49.21 | TriJetScud | nkuttler: https://github.com/v10networks/hv_kvp_daemon |
| 18:49.22 | nkuttler | TriJetScud: yeah, well, one that's included in debian |
| 18:49.32 | TriJetScud | it's only for squeeze/wheezy tho |
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| 18:50.13 | Zerock | Wait what? |
| 18:50.17 | Zerock | It just started working... |
| 18:50.19 | Zerock | wtf |
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| 18:50.40 | Zerock | Whatever. Not even mad. :P |
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| 18:55.36 | marioxcc | In wheezy, how can I uninstall the non-english man pages but keep the localization in the rest of the system? |
| 18:56.10 | Zerock | Is there a way to make LibreOffice not look like Win9x? |
| 18:56.19 | centrx | heh |
| 18:56.29 | nkuttler | marioxcc: remove the manpages-foo package, and don't change your locale settings |
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| 19:02.29 | okee | I am not able to locate a drive with the mount command, and noticed the drive name is no longer showing a block code. How do i change this? |
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| 19:02.48 | centrx | What is the drive? |
| 19:03.13 | okee | centrx> The drive name is "storage" |
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| 19:07.49 | okee | centrx> Is there a way to change the drive name to the default block number that was assigned when installing Linux? |
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| 19:09.18 | centrx | okee, What does lsblk show? |
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| 19:10.53 | okee | centrx> Found it. Thanks. |
| 19:10.59 | Pixionus | If the drive is hotswap, one option is to run ls /dev with the drive detached then again with it attached |
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| 19:13.00 | sloun | '., |
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| 19:30.31 | sloun | what you guys think about resignation some developers from systemd team? |
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| 19:32.47 | centrx | sloun, link? |
| 19:32.57 | Pixionus | I'm still fairly new to linux so I don't even have an opinion on the systemd debate as of yet. |
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| 19:34.21 | eurobit | don't fret for them - they ALL got jobs with the obamacare web site |
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| 19:37.26 | sloun | centrx: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-systemd-maintainers/2014-November/004563.html |
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| 19:42.07 | equex | hi. does anyone know of a package i cn use to probe various usb devices to provoke a response in some sort of data? my problem is that i have several different type devices all connected to a serial converter of the same type. so all my devioces appears to the system as the same type of device.. |
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| 19:42.43 | equex | serial->usb converters* |
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| 19:44.14 | eurobit | lsusb/lshw/dmidecode/ /var/log/messages ec |
| 19:45.30 | jhutchins | equex: If they're detected as devices they should be /dev/TTYUSB## |
| 19:46.12 | equex | my problem is that these devices gets tumbled arund at each reboot (rare, but still annoying) |
| 19:46.15 | jhutchins | equex: At least I think that's how they detect. |
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| 19:46.35 | jhutchins | equex: Yeah, serial protocol doesn't have a means of identifying the device. |
| 19:46.54 | equex | so ttyUSB1 can be ttyUSB7 tomorros, which can be a different class of device |
| 19:46.56 | jhutchins | equex: I used to have a multiport USB adaptor, and it was hard getting minicom to select the correct port. |
| 19:47.03 | equex | humm.. |
| 19:47.14 | jhutchins | equex: Well quit rebooting! |
| 19:47.19 | equex | hehe:D |
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| 19:48.13 | jhutchins | When I rebuilt that server I got a motherboard with a serial port on it and narrowed the system down to one modem, so it's been a couple of years. |
| 19:48.42 | equex | so i was hoping i could probe a device,and make a short list of devices and feed them to s script that starts my devices |
| 19:48.45 | equex | meh :( |
| 19:49.30 | equex | i was perhaps having power problems, but hopefulle i fixed that today, so hopefully no more reboots |
| 19:49.35 | equex | it was* |
| 19:50.00 | equex | rebooting once a week still sucks |
| 19:50.22 | jhutchins | equex: It's up to the internal protocol of the multiport adapter to number the ports. It could be a matter of making sure all of the devices are fully bootstrapped before the USB device is initiated. |
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| 19:52.16 | marioxcc | when compiling a custom kernel for a Debian x86_64 machine, Can I safely leave off support for IA32? |
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| 19:53.01 | equex | jhutchins: how can i make sure that ? |
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| 19:55.02 | equex | plug them in one by one? |
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| 20:05.13 | jhutchins | equex: Make sure they're all powered on and warmed/booted up before you turn on the PC. |
| 20:05.48 | jhutchins | equex: You can probably influence the order by powering them on sequentially while the PC is up. |
| 20:06.08 | equex | yeah thats what i partially do now |
| 20:06.15 | okee | How do I change the security settings for a directory? I used the command chmod -R ugo-rwx directory, but it didn't work. Also, tried it with a mask and that didn't work. |
| 20:06.26 | equex | but if i do like you say, its going to be the same order every time? |
| 20:06.29 | okee | I didn't get an error message. |
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| 20:09.22 | jhutchins | okee: Is it just a normal directory, or is it a mountpoint or symlink? |
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| 20:10.22 | okee | jhutchins> I think it is a mountpoint. It isn't my normal Linux drive, and is a windows drive, that is dual booted in linux. The directory structure is /media/storage, where the name of the drive is storage. |
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| 20:11.38 | okee | jhutchins> I need to change the subfolders, so that no access is allowable to anyone, including myself. This will allow me to give access to my computer, to a remote source, for tech support issues. |
| 20:12.05 | jhutchins | okee: You could just unmount it then. |
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| 20:12.37 | jhutchins | okee: Permissions are set when it mounts, usually with fstab unless it's mounting through the gui. |
| 20:12.59 | pederindi | Hi, I have a wacom tablet, in one debian is working, in the other not, I don't know what's missing but in /var/log/Xorg* one detects it and the other no |
| 20:13.01 | okee | jhutchins> No, I am at the command line. |
| 20:13.23 | pederindi | I don't remember if I have to activate something in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 20:13.31 | jhutchins | umount /media/storage |
| 20:13.45 | jhutchins | pederindi: Compare the two systems. |
| 20:14.34 | pederindi | jhutchins: same kernel, wheezy... |
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| 20:15.58 | pederindi | I have the same file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 20:16.15 | pederindi | is strange that in one I generate log in /var/log/Xorg* and in the other no |
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| 20:16.55 | okee | jhutchins> Not in fstab, but in mtab. And now I can't figure out how to get back to the directory structure. |
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| 20:17.35 | jhutchins | pederindi: Yes, that is strange. |
| 20:17.56 | jhutchins | pederindi: Different graphics driver? |
| 20:18.06 | pederindi | the two have intel |
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| 20:18.28 | pederindi | same: i915 |
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| 20:19.52 | pederindi | jhutchins: in one computer I have more things about xorg.conf.d, but in the other no |
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| 20:20.03 | okee | jhutchins> My path to the directory that I am trying to lock down is asd@savior:/media/Storage/Data$ |
| 20:20.03 | pederindi | (trackpoint, ) |
| 20:20.54 | okee | Any idea why the chmod -R command won't work? Drive is mounted, so I don't see why the command wouldn't work. |
| 20:20.58 | jhutchins | pederindi: xserver-xorg-input-wacom? |
| 20:21.07 | pederindi | jhutchins: installed |
| 20:21.23 | marioxcc | I'm configured a custom kernel, I can't find an option to enable LXC. Is this correct or did I miss something?. |
| 20:21.37 | jhutchins | okee: Drive is RO, NTFS permissions are not mapped to unix permissions. |
| 20:21.48 | jhutchins | okee: Just guesses. |
| 20:22.03 | okee | jhutchins> What do you mean by RO? |
| 20:22.13 | jhutchins | Read Only |
| 20:22.35 | jhutchins | pederindi: USB? |
| 20:22.51 | pederindi | jhutchins: yes |
| 20:23.10 | okee | jhutchins> I don't think that is correct. I add files, and edit things on Windows drive via Linux with no problem. However, going the other way is a big problem, and anything more than viewing in Paragon4 results in corruption of the Linux partition table, that usually results in fdsk |
| 20:23.25 | petemc | okee: type "mount" and check which filesystem it is and whether its read only |
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| 20:25.09 | okee | petemc> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c6260655/ |
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| 20:25.24 | okee | petemc> I want to remove "others", so that no one but me can see what is going on. |
| 20:26.21 | petemc | okee: you cant use chown on windows filesystems, you need to set permissions at mount time |
| 20:26.23 | pederindi | also there are different dmesg output, is the same, but where it works is more complete have hid-generic messages |
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| 20:29.09 | okee | petemc> I am already showing up as the only one with access, when running ls -ls, but this isn't the same that is showing up when running mount |
| 20:29.10 | marioxcc | I'm configured a custom kernel, I can't find an option to enable LXC. I am miss such an option or is it that it doesn't exists? |
| 20:29.42 | astr | with a full install, custom encrypted so just /boot partition and / with no swap and lvm. How do I regenerate the checksum? as I modified the contents of / and now it won't compleate boot as the checksum has changed |
| 20:29.50 | okee | I would like to temporarily take away my own access for one of the subdirectories. |
| 20:30.02 | astr | this was using cryptsetup |
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| 20:31.26 | okee | petemc> Why does mount show others as having access, while ls -ls does not? |
| 20:32.58 | heurist | okee: have we worked out yet if this is a "windows" filesystem (ntfs or fat)? if it is then you can not use chown/chmod commands on it. you can not set permissions on directories or files, only on the filessystem itself at mount time. |
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| 20:34.18 | okee | heurist> Yes, this is a windows file system. What do you recommend for temporarily locking down the directories? Do you recommend I unmount the drive? Or can I do something that will only secure one of the directories? |
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| 20:34.53 | heurist | okee: you can not do anything with just some of the directories. |
| 20:34.54 | okee | heurist> It would be nice if an enhancement to linux would be developed, so that chmod and chown could be used on the windows file system. |
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| 20:35.20 | okee | heurist> So I need to unmount the drive? And can someone remount it if I give them remote access to my computer? |
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| 20:35.29 | heurist | okee: the windows filesystem does not support them there is not much the tools can do about that |
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| 20:36.00 | heurist | okee: you can control who can remount it. if they have root they can do anything. |
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| 20:36.56 | okee | heurist> Ok, thanks. I would like to see chmod and chown fully supported on the windows file system for future upgrades of Debian. |
| 20:37.18 | heurist | okee: speak to Microsoft, they control the windows filesystem |
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| 20:37.48 | okee | heurist> XP is no longer active, so not sure that would do much good. |
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| 20:38.04 | heurist | okee: ntfs has nothing to do with XP |
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| 20:38.16 | eurobit | i control where the ntfs goes with mkntfs |
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| 20:38.38 | okee | eurobit> What do you mean you control where the ntfs goes with mknfts? What is mkntfs? |
| 20:39.04 | eurobit | please repeat - my script cleared the screen prematurley |
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| 20:41.30 | qman__ | okee: NTFS permissions are not compatible with standard Linux permissions. NTFS does not have the concept group ownership and world permission, and uses ACLs. As such, the standard Linux ownership and permission tools cannot be used on NTFS. |
| 20:42.20 | okee | qman__> So this means I need to unmount the drive, and prevent someone from remounting it after I give them access to my computer? |
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| 20:46.24 | okee | eurobit> Is mkntfs a windows program? |
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| 20:47.14 | gertw | how can I find out what daemon is tampering with certain settings all the time, for example say cpu frequencies? |
| 20:47.51 | marioxcc | gertw: I think that cpu frequency is changed by the kernel as demand changes |
| 20:48.28 | eurobit | i am a debian channel i don't use windows programs |
| 20:48.32 | gertw | marioxcc: it mostly changes the governor to performance and max cpu cycles when connected to AC. |
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| 20:49.13 | gertw | marioxcc: how can I generally find out such things and tell the kernel not to tamper with things? |
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| 20:49.51 | gertw | marioxcc: (only specific stuff when I know what I am doing, of course. All in all I am glad that the kernel does so many things autonomous) |
| 20:49.54 | marioxcc | gertw: I don't know, sorry. But I think that frequency is changed as needed, to save power. You won't get short of CPU capability as the frequency is not lowered at full load. |
| 20:50.40 | gertw | marioxcc: it changed to max cycles which wears out the CPU faster when I don't need that performance |
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| 20:52.32 | D-Boy | Hello, I have a question not really debian-specific... How Can I achieve this : executing a bash script when a file is modified ? |
| 20:53.41 | valdyn | D-Boy: you can use inotify-tools |
| 20:53.48 | valdyn | D-Boy: ( for certain filesystems ) |
| 20:54.04 | D-Boy | valdyn: let me google about that, thanks :) |
| 20:54.59 | dawiba | gertw: cpufrequtils is a package you can install to control cpu speed. After it's installed, you would do 'cpufreq-set -g ondemand' in a terminal to set that governor. man files will help explain it better |
| 20:55.37 | gertw | dawiba: I did set up governor to conservative and cpu speeds but it is modified all the time |
| 20:55.40 | valdyn | cpus dont "wear out faster" for any significant value of faster |
| 20:56.11 | gertw | valdyn: unfortunately it does wear out faster when calculating faster |
| 20:56.27 | valdyn | gertw: read again what i said |
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| 20:57.38 | gertw | valdyn: I don't see the difference to what I understood. |
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| 20:59.04 | marioxcc | is theere a way to display a progress bar while compiling Linux? |
| 20:59.15 | valdyn | marioxcc: not really |
| 20:59.45 | marioxcc | hmm, ok |
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| 21:00.32 | dawiba | Any gnome shell users? I have a question about activities view |
| 21:00.42 | gertw | dawiba: I indeed have been using cpufreq for some time, looking up its manpage from now to then. But it has so far not told me what processes alter what root sets up on the command line. |
| 21:01.02 | TwoWholeWorms | TIL that if you share your hard disk in OS X, it chmods / to 705, breaking everything. Well done, OS X. |
| 21:01.40 | mofino | TwoWholeWorms, probably didn't expect someone to try and share the entire system |
| 21:01.49 | RoyK | marioxcc: why do you need to recompile the kernel? |
| 21:01.59 | marioxcc | RoyK: to have LXC support |
| 21:02.12 | dawiba | gertw: sorry, it works for me when I want to set it to performance. I do have to set it for each core though. Maybe that's what you need? |
| 21:02.28 | valdyn | gertw: cpufrequtils just sets the cpu scaling settings. Theres various programs that do the same thing |
| 21:02.32 | gertw | dawiba: the `-r' option applies it to all cores |
| 21:02.37 | valdyn | gertw: laptop-mode-tools is probably one |
| 21:02.48 | RoyK | marioxcc: why not use kvm? |
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| 21:03.02 | gertw | dawiba: for some time it stays the way I set it up. But once it is being changed by whomever :-) |
| 21:03.27 | valdyn | gertw: check your acpi scripts and what that acpid daemon logs |
| 21:03.30 | joshh20 | Does anyone have a recommendation for a multi threaded FTP download client for Linux CLI? I have tried lftp but couldn't figure it out |
| 21:03.41 | valdyn | joshh20: filezilla ? |
| 21:03.49 | joshh20 | valdyn, not GUI |
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| 21:03.51 | marioxcc | RoyK: it's for VPS. I don't know if it supports nesting, but it would have an unacceptable overhead, it's a small machine. |
| 21:04.05 | eurobit | joshh20: curl/libcurl |
| 21:04.18 | joshh20 | eurobit, curl natively supports that? |
| 21:04.31 | eurobit | sure does |
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| 21:04.38 | valdyn | why does anything *still* use ftp accelerators? |
| 21:04.47 | valdyn | why does anyone *still* use ftp accelerators? |
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| 21:04.59 | gertw | valdyn: sounds reasonable. Will check those things. |
| 21:05.02 | joshh20 | I need it because I have tens of thousands of files to transfer from an old machine valdyn |
| 21:05.04 | eurobit | ftp is the fastest way (besides torrent) to get files |
| 21:05.25 | joshh20 | So it isn't like I'm abusing anything |
| 21:05.28 | eurobit | joshh20: tar it up and then curl the one file |
| 21:05.39 | joshh20 | I dont have console access eurobit :/ |
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| 21:05.50 | valdyn | joshh20: thats ok, but i dont get what you want to gain from it being multithreaded |
| 21:05.56 | `Kevin | multiple tcp connections > single when latency is a factor @ ftp/http/etc accelerator(s) in general |
| 21:06.02 | valdyn | joshh20: just use tar and ssh |
| 21:06.11 | joshh20 | valdyn, so concurrent downloads at one time, and once again, no SSH access |
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| 21:07.00 | Loshki | valdyn: or better yet, use rsync, so you can restart/continue any time without having to retransmit everything. |
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| 21:07.30 | valdyn | Loshki: yea, of course, anything but "multithreaded" ftp |
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| 21:08.02 | `Kevin | i dont see what the problem with multithreaded transfers are as long as they are used in the right place. |
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| 21:08.33 | `Kevin | are/is |
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| 21:08.53 | joshh20 | `Kevin, thank you, it is only for my personal servers, so I am not ripping someone off |
| 21:09.26 | Loshki | valdyn: mutithreading doesn't help much once your connection is saturated. It's really intended for multiple server download. |
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| 21:09.43 | `Kevin | what if the conn ISNT saturated? |
| 21:10.24 | joshh20 | That's my point, both servers are on gigabit connections and only a few Mbps is actually used during the transfer |
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| 21:10.47 | Loshki | `Kevin: in that case, multiple threads do allow you to use the untapped bandwidth. |
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| 21:10.59 | `Kevin | joshh20: right which is usually indicating packet shaping, packet loss, or latency.... then I agree with your approach |
| 21:11.21 | joshh20 | So would you still recommend curl? |
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| 21:11.56 | Loshki | joshh20: unless you are in a great hurry, I recommend rsync -av --partial --progress <src> <dest> |
| 21:12.00 | valdyn | `Kevin: if you cannot use something simple as tar and nc then ftp might be ok, not because its good, but because you cant use something decent |
| 21:12.07 | `Kevin | curl can do the same thing scripted ;) |
| 21:12.32 | joshh20 | Loshki, I appreciate that, but FTP is the only protocol I have to work with, unfortunately :( |
| 21:12.49 | Loshki | `Kevin: will curl restart/continue if the connection is broken? |
| 21:13.31 | Loshki | joshh20: so just use tar/ftp like everyone said. How much data overall? |
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| 21:13.39 | `Kevin | Loshki: its all byte range requests, depends how much time you are willing to spend scripting |
| 21:14.06 | eurobit | and if the server can do byte range requests |
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| 21:14.26 | `Kevin | eurobit: id hope so this day in age |
| 21:14.42 | `Kevin | but im sure many still dont |
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| 21:16.16 | joshh20 | Is curl by default doing multi threaded transfers? |
| 21:16.35 | `Kevin | no its a bit more work |
| 21:16.40 | eurobit | thinks if joshh20 just got to doing it he'd be done by now |
| 21:16.45 | `Kevin | look at axel |
| 21:17.10 | `Kevin | http://axel.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 21:17.30 | eurobit | after reconsideration - he should just use filezilla |
| 21:17.57 | `Kevin | its likely easier |
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| 21:23.40 | Igneous | I'm confusing set-selections/get-selections with something else.. What's the tool called to get the values set with dpkg-reconfigure (like for a preseed)? |
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| 21:25.48 | Igneous | oooh it's debconf-get-selections, not dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:25.53 | Igneous | I'm a dumb |
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| 21:34.55 | joshh20 | Wow, Im using gftp and the speed is insane! |
| 21:35.05 | joshh20 | Downloaded thousands of files in just a couple minutes |
| 21:35.22 | joshh20 | Each one is less than one KB though |
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| 21:56.39 | pederindi | jhutchins: the error was I typed ushid instead of usbhid ( GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet usbhid.quirks=0x056a:0x0318:0x40000000" |
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| 22:01.12 | Vanfanel | I just came to say I just updated to testing and got systemd, and I went back to sysvinit mode as soon as I could... please, stop this madness |
| 22:01.24 | Vanfanel | systemd will kill debian |
| 22:01.27 | Igneous | lol |
| 22:01.29 | mofino | updated from wheezy? |
| 22:01.34 | Vanfanel | mofino: yes |
| 22:01.43 | mofino | and was forced to install another init system? |
| 22:02.04 | Vanfanel | mofino: it was installed in a dist upgrade, yes |
| 22:02.19 | mofino | yeah, that is a problem |
| 22:02.32 | Vanfanel | can you explain, please? |
| 22:03.00 | mofino | upgrades should never replace software with other software, especially if the original software is still available |
| 22:03.25 | Vanfanel | yes, of course |
| 22:03.42 | Igneous | there's probably something with a dep on systemd |
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| 22:03.47 | Igneous | gnome-settings-daemon is my bet |
| 22:04.00 | mofino | right, next question, are you running x windows? |
| 22:04.06 | mofino | heh |
| 22:04.13 | kale | nvidia stuff got pulled in, how do I avoid that? I am using nouveau. |
| 22:04.15 | Vanfanel | but I tried to customize my usual things in the booting script and it was a pain. Went back to sysvinit. I'm safe, for now... |
| 22:04.30 | Vanfanel | No, never touch X with a 10mts pole |
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| 22:04.50 | Vanfanel | I run everything in text consoles |
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| 22:05.11 | mofino | alright well, a base system should not be upgraded to systemd, i dont think |
| 22:05.22 | Vanfanel | well, it does |
| 22:05.30 | Vanfanel | I'm on debian armhf |
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| 22:07.03 | Igneous | Vanfanel: apt-cache rdepends systemd --installed |
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| 22:13.14 | Vanfanel | Igneous: udev |
| 22:13.15 | Vanfanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.34 | Vanfanel | damn it, udev depends on systemd! That's just CRAZY!! |
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| 22:13.48 | rryoumaa | i need to set the mouse so that it allows /very/ fine motion (i.e. very slow) for fine motion and normal for fast motion. i followed the xset manpage but it does not reduce the fine motion speed. what are my options here? |
| 22:14.11 | mofino | doesn't look like it does Vanfanel |
| 22:14.33 | mofino | rryoumaa, buy a high resolution mouse and program the speed on the mouse |
| 22:14.44 | rryoumaa | mofino: how do you program it? |
| 22:15.02 | rryoumaa | i have a logitech m100, which is probably high resolution enough |
| 22:15.04 | mofino | buttons on the mouse, screen on the bottom |
| 22:15.17 | Igneous | Vanfanel: sometimes rdepends gets it wrong, like if there's a 'breaks' declaration |
| 22:15.23 | Igneous | that's probably what's going on there |
| 22:15.24 | rryoumaa | why can't xset make it go slower? |
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| 22:15.38 | mofino | rryoumaa, xset is changing the software |
| 22:15.41 | Igneous | Vanfanel: what does aptitude say? "aptitude why systemd" |
| 22:15.49 | mofino | Igneous, nice command |
| 22:15.54 | Vanfanel | Igneous: So who/where should I report, please? I don't want to see systemd again in my life, please. |
| 22:16.09 | rryoumaa | xset has a floor where it does not go any slower. it is as if it is saying "i know what is best for you and i think you want a faster mouse" when you don't. |
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| 22:19.14 | Igneous | Vanfanel: well you usually need something more concrete than "systemd gets installed" before opening a bug report, so try to reproduce it, show your package list (dpkg -l) before and after, and once you're back in a state where systemd is installed, get the rdepends / apt-why for systemd |
| 22:19.28 | Igneous | as for actually reporting the bug, see http://bugs.debian.org |
| 22:20.14 | mofino | rryoumaa, nope, 0 means no software acceleration, so it's 100% your mouse at that stage |
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| 22:20.35 | mofino | rryoumaa, perhaps a negative value will work to reduce it's speed? |
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| 22:20.42 | mofino | rryoumaa, might be worth a try? |
| 22:20.43 | rryoumaa | mofino: why are you assuming i said 0? |
| 22:20.58 | mofino | rryoumaa, i'm just saying, doesn't matter what you said |
| 22:21.14 | rryoumaa | what did "nope" refer to? |
| 22:21.26 | Vanfanel | Igneous: ok, thanks |
| 22:21.38 | mofino | xset is doing what you tell it to do |
| 22:21.49 | rryoumaa | are you sure? fractions have no effect. negative of course produces error. |
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| 22:22.12 | rryoumaa | here, anyway |
| 22:22.55 | mofino | rryoumaa, then try to extract it's blood, i don't know |
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| 22:23.57 | rryoumaa | just to clarify "nope" seemed to say that i said something incorrect, but the behavior i described /is/ the case |
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| 22:28.28 | threadlock | kpartx(8) - I can have both Readonly partition mappings and Read-only partition mappings, with the -r and -r flags respectively |
| 22:29.09 | mofino | threadlock, haha |
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| 23:02.05 | nell | im preparing a hdd to install debian on |
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| 23:02.54 | rryoumaa | wtf is normal-auto-fill-function? |
| 23:02.58 | m00th | http://solydxk.com/news/ |
| 23:02.59 | nell | I wanna optimize the 500gb hdd and install RAID, and make sure it stays fully encrypted and secure |
| 23:03.11 | nell | anything I should do before hand? |
| 23:03.18 | rryoumaa | mischan |
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| 23:04.20 | Walex | nell: hire a very experienced security expert |
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| 23:04.45 | Walex | nell: ask them to do a full security audit of the disk firmware and the computer BIOS. |
| 23:05.57 | Walex | nell: probably also reverse engineering the CPU and the chipset to check for backdoors. |
| 23:06.30 | marioxcc | ,ubuntu |
| 23:07.31 | nell | Walex if that's the case I think plausible deniability would be more admissible |
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| 23:09.05 | anon_ | well, its probably a good idea to know what level of "secure" you want. From roomates, competing businesses, the 'man'? |
| 23:09.40 | anon_ | for roomate stuff, unless you're in a CS uni dorm situation, it wouldn't be that hard to do |
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| 23:12.01 | Walex | nell: please note that you asked for "stays fully encrypted and secure". :-) |
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| 23:12.47 | Walex | nell: the #1 question in security is: what is the expected budget of those interested in your stuff? |
| 23:13.45 | anon_ | Walex: that's a very clever why of asking that, keeping that |
| 23:13.50 | anon_ | way* |
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| 23:15.08 | Walex | anon_: it is much the same question you asked, just with a "$" in front :-) |
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| 23:16.14 | anon_ | Walex: usually what makes all the difference :> |
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| 23:16.50 | Walex | anon_: :-) |
| 23:17.17 | anon_ | Walex : <3 |
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| 23:17.40 | infoget | Hi I have added into iptables new udp port, but when I trying to nmaping my server, it has still same port without added port, what is wrong? |
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| 23:18.04 | threadlock | if I want to clone a lvm2 volume to do repairs, is creating a new volume of equal size and dd from the first to the new the (only) way to go? |
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| 23:18.23 | Walex | nell: the "vanilla" low budget thing is: 'dmcrypt' or 'loop-AES' of every partition, with unencrypted '/boot' with signed-by-you checksums on a USB stick. |
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| 23:21.08 | marioxcc | Walex: what would be the next preferrable thing? |
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| 23:21.49 | nell | I can backup the /boot in an encrypted container incase i lose the usb stick right |
| 23:21.56 | nell | that sounds like a nice setup |
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| 23:22.14 | nell | or I can install the nuke feature that kali recently implemented |
| 23:22.27 | nell | or both o.o |
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| 23:22.47 | Walex | marioxcc: same without separate '/boot' |
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| 23:23.33 | marioxcc | Walex: ok |
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| 23:25.05 | Walex | marioxcc: the separate '/boot' is for the case where someone can replace the boot script on it to capture the encryption password when you type it at boot. |
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| 23:25.39 | marioxcc | Walex: how does having it separate makes it differnt? |
| 23:25.54 | Walex | marioxcc: you keep it with you at all times :-) |
| 23:26.36 | Walex | marioxcc: or replaces the kernel with one with a backdoor etc. |
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| 23:27.00 | marioxcc | Walex: how does that solve the problem? assuming that the system has been rooted by an attacker, he can easily replace the separate /boot as well |
| 23:27.06 | marioxcc | unless it's read only |
| 23:27.32 | Walex | marioxcc: the idea is to *prevent* the rooting. Once that has happened, game over. |
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| 23:28.04 | marioxcc | Walex: I don't get how a separate partition would prevernt the rooting. the vulnerabilities are the same. |
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| 23:28.34 | Walex | marioxcc: perhaps I don't understand what kind of situation you are thinking about :-) |
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| 23:34.14 | marioxcc | hello |
| 23:34.22 | marioxcc | is there a way I can see the boot messages from the command line? |
| 23:34.34 | marioxcc | the ones with [OK] in the end, for instance (from sysv type init scripts) |
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| 23:35.25 | Walex | marioxcc: yes, depends if there is a message capture enabled, e.g. you can use 'plymouth' |
| 23:35.47 | Walex | marioxcc: look if there is something like '/var/log/boot*' |
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| 23:36.03 | marioxcc | ok |
| 23:36.09 | marioxcc | tanks |
| 23:36.11 | marioxcc | *thanks |
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| 23:36.38 | Walex | marioxcc: you may otherwise have 'bootlogd' |
| 23:36.55 | Walex | marioxcc: 'ls -ld /etc/init.d/bootlogd' |
| 23:36.57 | marioxcc | there isn't either |
| 23:37.24 | marioxcc | if I want to capture the boot messages put at the terminal, what must I use? |
| 23:37.48 | heurist | marioxcc: apt-get install bootlogd maybe |
| 23:37.53 | Walex | marioxcc: one of those... |
| 23:37.57 | marioxcc | ok, thanks. |
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| 23:38.37 | heurist | !bootlogd |
| 23:38.38 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable. |
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| 23:39.08 | marioxcc | right, thanks again. |
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| 23:41.03 | nell | so Walex can I do full disk guided install then move the /boot to a removable medium |
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| 23:41.58 | Walex | nell: that's fine |
| 23:42.15 | nell | would that bother fstab |
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| 23:42.46 | Walex | nell: no, why? You are not going to delete '/boot' on the disk, just not-use it for booting. |
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| 23:43.24 | nell | im intalling debian now |
| 23:43.25 | anon_ | fstab gets insecure about its relationships sometimes |
| 23:43.26 | heurist | nell: fstab would only care if you plan to mount it at boot, fix fstab if you want to do that. you can manually mount it without need for fstab |
| 23:43.33 | Walex | nell: you can mount the USB or whatever variant manually when you need to update it later. |
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| 23:44.01 | nell | Oh okay so I can harden after installation |
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| 23:45.05 | nell | when partitioning in debian with LVM encryption, how come I cant expand my /root partition |
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| 23:45.23 | nell | I think I might need more than 10gb.. |
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| 23:45.33 | heurist | nell: /root is not a partition, do you mean / ? |
| 23:45.38 | nell | yeah |
| 23:45.39 | nell | I mean / ' |
| 23:46.06 | Walex | nell: 10G will be a bit tight indeed. You can expand with 'lvresize' |
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| 23:46.27 | nell | Awww cryptsetup and lvresize |
| 23:46.35 | nell | sees whats coming |
| 23:47.13 | marioxcc | lvresize AND your filesystem expansion tool |
| 23:47.19 | marioxcc | for instance, resize2fs. |
| 23:47.22 | heurist | nell: is it encrypted? you can not resize encrypted stuff without decrypting it first. resize tools probably do not understand encryption. you can still do it manually by copy-off-remake-copy-on. |
| 23:47.46 | marioxcc | just making the LVM LV larger doesn't automatically expands the filesystem, at least not in debian wheezy. |
| 23:47.52 | nell | I need to live boot it |
| 23:48.09 | nell | I have done htis before and its a pain in the ass |
| 23:48.40 | heurist | nell: so get the sizes right now, avoid needing to resize later. |
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| 23:49.05 | nell | is that possible in the debian installer? |
| 23:49.12 | nell | I don't think it is.. |
| 23:49.27 | heurist | nell: is what possible? |
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| 23:49.52 | Walex | nell: the way I often do installs is to partition the disk manually like I want from a live CD, and then the installer finds it done... |
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| 23:51.49 | nell | hmm so Walex |
| 23:51.59 | nell | can you show me an example |
| 23:52.07 | nell | like a screenshot from disk utility or gparted |
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| 23:52.43 | nell | just have 243 mb /boot 16gb / and rest /home ? |
| 23:52.56 | Walex | uhn, I don't do that often and I use CLI all the time... |
| 23:52.58 | nell | will have to configure lvm? |
| 23:53.08 | Walex | nell: how big is your disk? |
| 23:53.14 | nell | 120 |
| 23:53.33 | nell | 128gb ssd |
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| 23:54.54 | Loshki | nell: a little larger /boot if you're going to run bootlogd, doncha think? |
| 23:54.54 | Otacon22 | -5min to end of vote |
| 23:55.14 | Loshki | nell: also, no swap? |
| 23:55.51 | anon_ | usually you don't put swap on an ssd do you? |
| 23:55.54 | marioxcc | hello |
| 23:55.57 | Walex | nell: my I have a lot of stuff installed and my current '/boot' is around 62MiB on one system and 123MiB on another; but my '/' is 16GiB on one and 22GiB on another (where I have installed more than one desktop environment and lots more. |
| 23:56.05 | marioxcc | how can I tell the fingerprint of an SSH server? |
| 23:56.34 | Walex | nell: I'd do a 20GiB '/' just to be sure. |
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| 23:58.35 | Walex | nell: https://wiki.debian.org/AdvancedStartupShutdownWithMultilayeredBlockDevices |
| 23:59.26 | Loshki | Ah, my /boot is huge because I occasionally put isos in there to boot from (IOW, these isos make my /boot look fat). |
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