| 00:00.17 | linuxrctx | just forward |
| 00:01.49 | ZitZ | Pnux, i don't see a problem with recycling the /home partition |
| 00:02.24 | *** join/#debian dude (~me@ool-457d7029.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:02.49 | Pnux | ZitZ: i just need to know what id have to do in the installer, so it doesnt get formatted, but it gets used (instead of having a /home in main partition) without having to manually set it on fstab |
| 00:03.23 | Pnux | its the first time im installing debian like this, and i just want to know what to expect |
| 00:03.30 | lockon | Bushmills: I'm not sure I follow. Could you explain more? |
| 00:03.47 | *** part/#debian defpon (~defpon@p4FF1408B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 00:03.56 | linuxrctx | Pnux and why 2 system? debian and ubuntu? |
| 00:04.19 | Pnux | linuxrctx: im installing Debian over Ubuntu.. Ubuntu is out |
| 00:04.26 | ZitZ | Pnux, when you are going through the installer, you will come to the partition manager, on the /home partition, tell it to use it as /home, and make sure it says 'no, don't format' or something like that |
| 00:04.29 | Bushmills | lockon, you want the original ip address as source in network packets. you have it - as long as you don't do NAT |
| 00:04.44 | *** join/#debian codespectator (~jamesmacl@cpc3-sout6-2-0-cust870.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 00:05.01 | Pnux | ZitZ: oh, alrite, thanks a lot |
| 00:05.22 | ZitZ | no problem |
| 00:06.09 | *** join/#debian jpiche (~jpiche@c-75-73-4-247.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 00:06.38 | *** part/#debian Pnux (~Pnux@190.172.135.27) |
| 00:06.46 | linuxrctx | Pnux it´s alrite is the best option ( zitz ) "no, don´t format" |
| 00:07.44 | *** join/#debian at_11691 (taodp@85.17.231.147) |
| 00:08.16 | *** join/#debian XSoul (~XRule@89.215.149.49) |
| 00:08.22 | *** join/#debian crypted (~doobie@ip72-198-16-171.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 00:09.02 | *** join/#debian debsan (~debsan@190.245.76.183) |
| 00:09.21 | lockon | Bushmills: so with NAT by iptables, there's no way to make the firewall transparent? |
| 00:09.54 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) |
| 00:10.03 | Bushmills | lockon: using NAT makes it not transparent |
| 00:11.00 | Bushmills | "transparent" = "no address translation" - "NAT" = "address translation" |
| 00:12.02 | lockon | Bushmills: Ah. |
| 00:12.17 | *** join/#debian Wulf (~wulf@p5B3EE1A1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:12.20 | Wulf | Hello |
| 00:12.38 | *** join/#debian xand (~xand@pdpc/supporter/active/xand) |
| 00:13.16 | lockon | Bushmills: how would I forward the packet without NAT? I've been looking, but all I see is iptables+nat or iptables+forward chain stuff. |
| 00:13.19 | Wulf | After upgrading my `unstable' system, I encounter severe graphic problems, e.g. http://tutnicht.de/errors.png . Which package might be at fault? |
| 00:13.36 | *** part/#debian dude (~me@ool-457d7029.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:13.51 | Bushmills | lockon: by not NATting traffic. i.e. by *not* adding rules to the nat table. |
| 00:14.25 | Bushmills | accept traffic through FORWARD chain. enable ipv4_forward |
| 00:15.21 | *** join/#debian aindilis (~aindilis@173-165-36-107-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 00:15.39 | sgn | I tried enabling ipsec and x2ltpd at startup suing "update-rc.d ipsec default" |
| 00:15.44 | sgn | BOY am i sorry |
| 00:16.05 | *** join/#debian s5s (~s5s@bcm-131-111-247-19.girton.cam.ac.uk) |
| 00:16.31 | sgn | now I'm getting some "using makefile-concurrent blablablablalba in runlevel X" each time the system changes runlevel. even AFTER i remove ipsec from startup |
| 00:17.25 | *** join/#debian s5s (~s5s@bcm-131-111-247-19.girton.cam.ac.uk) |
| 00:17.35 | s5s | hey guys I get this message: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the libsdl-gfx1.2-4 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 00:18.03 | s5s | aptitude and dpkg hang when trying to install that package. I don't know what to do to get rid of it. |
| 00:19.00 | *** join/#debian viper3210 (~kevin@ool-4351c2c6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:19.56 | *** join/#debian Wulf (~wulf@p5B3EE1A1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:20.37 | s5s | anyone? |
| 00:21.16 | Bushmills | s5s: what version of debian? |
| 00:21.29 | *** join/#debian chasing`Sol (~cS@smtp.master-zone.net) |
| 00:21.38 | s5s | Bushmills: testing |
| 00:22.58 | *** part/#debian hiexpo (~hiexpo@unaffiliated/hiexpo) |
| 00:23.00 | *** join/#debian darksk1ez (~mhb@darkskiez.ipv6.darkskiez.co.uk) |
| 00:23.04 | Bushmills | what mirror? |
| 00:23.26 | s5s | Bushmills: GB |
| 00:23.26 | *** join/#debian gunkaaa (~gunkaaa@guydesk.hd.net.nz) |
| 00:24.36 | *** join/#debian fredden (~dan@unaffiliated/fredden) |
| 00:24.41 | s5s | Bushmills: I've checked the package - debian based distributions have the same package |
| 00:25.37 | s5s | Bushmills: so something must have gone wrong on my computer. When it first hung I closed the terminal because ^c wasn't working. Then I deleted the lock files and did dpkg --configure -a |
| 00:25.47 | s5s | Bushmills: I still get the above |
| 00:27.22 | s5s | also aptitude shows the flags Hp on the package |
| 00:28.13 | Bushmills | ah. you try to purge it, and it refuses? |
| 00:29.12 | Bushmills | try aptitude reinstall libsdl-gfx1.2-4 |
| 00:30.06 | Bushmills | after that, - if purging was your intention - aptitude purge libsdl-gfx1.2-4 |
| 00:30.29 | s5s | Bushmills: same thing :( |
| 00:30.53 | s5s | Bushmills: and if i try to install it by aptitude install it hangs |
| 00:31.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1033] by debhelper |
| 00:31.08 | s5s | Bushmills: should I try apt-get remove? |
| 00:33.18 | Bushmills | do dpkg -L libsdl-gfx1.2-4, and check whether the listed files are all present |
| 00:33.19 | *** join/#debian xiangfu (~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com) |
| 00:33.31 | *** join/#debian ymasory (~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 00:34.21 | ws2k3 | i have a machine with 2 hdd's of 250 gb can debian make software raid so on both drivers is exacly the same and if one fails and i reboot i can boot again? |
| 00:34.37 | s5s | dpkg-query: warning: files list file for package `libsdl-gfx1.2-4' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 00:34.51 | s5s | Bushmills: |
| 00:34.59 | *** join/#debian Dave2 (~Dave2@freenode/staff/dave2) |
| 00:35.10 | *** join/#debian vivid (~vivid@134.39.51.9) |
| 00:35.14 | *** join/#debian mesutcan (~mesutcan@88.244.27.16) |
| 00:35.15 | Bushmills | something like dpkg -L libsdl-gfx1.2-4 | while read f; do [[ ! -d $f ]] && ls $f; done # untested might show missing files |
| 00:35.52 | Bushmills | ah |
| 00:35.54 | *** join/#debian mitrick (~mitrick@70.27.238.179) |
| 00:36.54 | *** join/#debian witchdoc (~karsten@unaffiliated/witchdoc) |
| 00:36.58 | *** join/#debian msh07 (~msh07@unaffiliated/msh07) |
| 00:37.24 | Bushmills | simply aptitude install libsdl-gfx1.2-4 won't (re)install it? |
| 00:37.40 | s5s | Bushmills: No dough, dpkg says Package `libsdl-gfx1.2-4' does not contain any files (!) so I think aptitude tried to install it but something failed so it's listed as installed (or attempted installed) but the files aren't there because it failed to install |
| 00:37.43 | abrotman | aptitude reinstall ? |
| 00:37.45 | s5s | Bushmills: it hangs |
| 00:37.53 | Bushmills | tried already |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | aptitude clean ? |
| 00:38.15 | Bushmills | good one |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | pbbbt |
| 00:39.39 | *** part/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@athedsl-211302.home.otenet.gr) |
| 00:40.30 | *** part/#debian jumpkick (~jumpkick@206-248-184-10.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 00:40.42 | *** join/#debian phogg (~phogg@173-10-190-217-BusName-washingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 00:40.46 | *** join/#debian grimau (~grimau@190.221.196.254) |
| 00:40.52 | s5s | Bushmills: I figured it out. I knew it but I forgot to try it. |
| 00:41.10 | s5s | Bushmills: what happened is that I installed sudo |
| 00:41.33 | s5s | and started using it for single su commands because my su password is very complex |
| 00:41.39 | *** join/#debian doleyb_ (~pwickis@pool-173-76-249-18.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 00:41.55 | *** join/#debian bixgomez (~bixgomez@67-42-85-10.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 00:42.06 | *** join/#debian xk (foobar@203-59-59-78.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 00:42.24 | Bushmills | what appropriate smites does debhelper have? sudosmite? |
| 00:42.32 | xk | How do I disable libc from performing AAAA requests, even though ipv6 is disabled? |
| 00:42.52 | Bushmills | !sudosmite s5s |
| 00:42.52 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to s5s and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
| 00:42.57 | *** join/#debian ymasory (~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 00:42.58 | Bushmills | grin |
| 00:43.20 | xk | shoots whoever implemented the resolver code. |
| 00:43.20 | s5s | I didn't know, however, that when you run sudo aptitude install ... the scripts in debian seem to be run with ordinary user privil. and the scripts fail to check it's the superuser who is running them and if not to exit with non-zero output |
| 00:44.00 | s5s | Bushmills: sudo allows you to use your user config files :P |
| 00:44.22 | s5s | Bushmills: but is a nightmare to type sudo in front of every command I know |
| 00:44.28 | *** join/#debian jeff-home (~jeff-home@201-42-223-115.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 00:44.49 | *** join/#debian Se-bash (~seba@unaffiliated/se-bash) |
| 00:45.17 | *** part/#debian jeff-home (~jeff-home@201-42-223-115.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 00:45.49 | *** join/#debian grimau (~grimau@190.221.196.254) |
| 00:46.35 | *** join/#debian gratidude (~gratidude@155.69.152.40) |
| 00:46.56 | *** join/#debian smacnay (~smacnay@74-220-170-91.wightman.ca) |
| 00:49.11 | *** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@eth3903.vic.adsl.internode.on.net) |
| 00:49.20 | *** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) |
| 00:49.50 | *** join/#debian asias (~asias@2607:f298:1:109::647:652c) |
| 00:52.05 | *** join/#debian WormDude (~wormfood@58.60.217.67) |
| 00:52.58 | *** join/#debian elkclone (~patrick@shellium/member/elkclone) |
| 00:56.13 | *** join/#debian Droolio (~drool@87-194-15-41.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:56.26 | xk | http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=12377 |
| 00:56.27 | xk | hmmm |
| 00:56.34 | xk | how hard is it to disable AAAA lookup/ |
| 00:56.37 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@funtoo/user/damex) |
| 00:57.42 | *** part/#debian fr3nchyQC (~Z3r0-2011@bas6-montreal02-1096654358.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 00:58.16 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~tensorpud@99.32.63.28) |
| 01:00.17 | *** join/#debian superjet_busy (~superjet@wikimedia/Crewlay) |
| 01:01.52 | *** join/#debian yaliyi (~yaliyi@124.239.209.173) |
| 01:02.11 | *** join/#debian zero (~zero@120.20.158.88) |
| 01:02.28 | zero | exit |
| 01:04.15 | *** join/#debian damex_ (~damex@77.232.140.162) |
| 01:04.16 | *** join/#debian notofu (~zero@120.20.158.88) |
| 01:05.07 | notofu | does anyone know the sed command to swap the first word of a sentence with the last one? |
| 01:07.22 | *** join/#debian zinx (~zinx@unaffiliated/zinx) |
| 01:08.08 | *** join/#debian adrianoc (~adrianoc@201.17.246.149) |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | notofu: there is a #sed |
| 01:09.07 | notofu | abrotman: oops sorry |
| 01:09.30 | *** join/#debian brammator (~brammator@balance.altair-tv.ru) |
| 01:09.34 | *** join/#debian brammat0r (~brammator@balance.altair-tv.ru) |
| 01:10.02 | *** join/#debian Orphis (~quassel@belgarath.moomoocamp.net) |
| 01:11.33 | xk | I love AAAA requests when ipv6 is disabled. |
| 01:11.59 | *** join/#debian Fraddor (4ff2df90@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.242.223.144) |
| 01:12.00 | xk | seems like a bug where upstream dont give a rats ass. |
| 01:12.54 | Fraddor | How safe is upgrading distributions in place? (Lenny to squeeze) |
| 01:13.13 | Fraddor | In terms of... will it work? Will it fuck up my system? |
| 01:13.25 | xk | the upgrade notes should help |
| 01:13.27 | dvs | Fraddor: safe, if you read the install guide |
| 01:13.44 | Fraddor | There is an install guide? Great. |
| 01:13.56 | dvs | !ig |
| 01:13.56 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 01:14.08 | *** part/#debian diegoviola (~diego@190.23.63.14) |
| 01:14.21 | xk | dpkg: tell fraddor about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:14.28 | *** join/#debian ajikeshi_ (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi) |
| 01:15.10 | *** join/#debian ShapeShifter499 (~ShapeShif@c-98-208-110-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:16.22 | Fraddor | Great, thanks for the quick and sharp help :) |
| 01:18.07 | *** join/#debian stevieman (~Longfield@d67-193-181-22.home3.cgocable.net) |
| 01:18.32 | *** join/#debian slops (~slops@unaffiliated/slops) |
| 01:18.34 | *** join/#debian ZeroHour (~zerohour@adsl-240-34-7.jan.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:19.07 | *** join/#debian jeremym (~jsmartin@173-29-172-71.client.mchsi.com) |
| 01:19.42 | *** join/#debian queso (~queso@adsl-75-21-68-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:21.03 | *** part/#debian tensorpudding (~tensorpud@99.32.63.28) |
| 01:21.38 | *** join/#debian qop2 (~qop@189.178.135.16) |
| 01:21.49 | *** join/#debian ajikeshi (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi) |
| 01:21.49 | *** join/#debian fti (~nnscript@213.164.69.193) |
| 01:22.29 | *** join/#debian pyrony (~epic@184-224-211-76.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 01:23.06 | *** join/#debian Dbug (~Dbug@unaffiliated/dbug) |
| 01:23.11 | qop2 | hugs dpkg bot |
| 01:23.13 | *** join/#debian ZitZ (~paul@h11.19.214.67.ip.windstream.net) |
| 01:23.26 | *** join/#debian Azrael_- (~awef@p4FFF54F7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:24.08 | *** join/#debian nardev (~nardev@109.175.112.9) |
| 01:24.27 | *** join/#debian foka (~foka@118.81.66.37) |
| 01:24.33 | abrotman | !tell Fraddor about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:25.13 | *** join/#debian B|ackbird (tanta@unaffiliated/backbird/x-3237639) |
| 01:25.28 | queso | I'd like to go through a thorough treatment of linux fundamentals and system administration. Could you recommend something? Some of the howtos/manuals linked from debian.org/doc are 10+ years old, so I'm not sure where to start. |
| 01:25.44 | *** join/#debian ghoti (~paul@scratch.it.ca) |
| 01:26.10 | *** join/#debian slops (~slops@c-75-74-107-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 01:26.10 | *** join/#debian slops (~slops@unaffiliated/slops) |
| 01:26.21 | qop | queso: fundamentsls havent change a lot... if at all |
| 01:26.33 | ghoti | Hey all. Debian newb here.... I've sort of inherited a system running lenny. Is that so old as to be dangerous, or lenny packages still getting security updates? |
| 01:27.00 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@c-76-125-250-135.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 01:27.10 | queso | qop: So http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html is a good place to start? |
| 01:27.16 | Bushmills | !lenny |
| 01:27.16 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 01:27.50 | *** join/#debian onecrazycat (~Adium@c-76-98-229-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 01:28.05 | onecrazycat | Hello everyone, I'm building a virtualized learning/lab environment at home and I have a quick question regarding the infrastructure. Â I am planning on using the following Lucid servers (respectively) DNS = djbdns, DHCP = dhcpd, SVN = svn, WEB = apache2, MANAGEMENT = puppet. What order should I create them in, does it really matter? |
| 01:28.05 | nvz | what would be the simplest way for my father (not real computer literate) to send me a large file over the internet? He uses windows, I of course use debian |
| 01:28.29 | onecrazycat | nvz: dropbox |
| 01:28.33 | qop | queso: yup, sounds pretty well. |
| 01:28.56 | nvz | onecrazycat: ah.. you get enough free space to transfer 100-200 mb? |
| 01:29.05 | *** join/#debian crypted (~doobie@ip72-198-16-171.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 01:29.07 | *** join/#debian Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 01:29.09 | queso | qop: okay, thank you |
| 01:29.41 | Bushmills | onecrazycat: maybe dnsmasq for name server and dhcpd |
| 01:30.02 | queso | qop: And the network administrator's guide from 1996? http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag/nag.html |
| 01:30.22 | onecrazycat | Bushmills: I'm trying to replicate a prod environment that uses djbdns, that's why no dnsmasq⦠i wish⦠i could knock out both with one stone |
| 01:30.29 | Bushmills | oh, you asked "order", not opinion |
| 01:30.42 | onecrazycat | Bushmills: yes lol :) |
| 01:30.58 | onecrazycat | nvz: yes, you should be good⦠i think they give you 250MB |
| 01:31.02 | *** join/#debian afurlan (~afurlan@187.59.37.15) |
| 01:31.02 | *** join/#debian damex_ (~damex@77.232.140.162) |
| 01:31.31 | onecrazycat | nvz: actually i just checked⦠it's 2GB⦠EVEN BETTER :) |
| 01:31.37 | onecrazycat | nvz: https://www.dropbox.com/help/73 |
| 01:31.42 | ghoti | Bushmills: So I gather that the lack of an EOL for the current oldstable means it's considered safe, but what about packages? Lenny's "mediawiki", for example, is a version that hasn't received a security patch in 2 years. Do Debian folks back-port security patches and keep an eye out for new vulnerabilities in obsolete packages? |
| 01:31.44 | *** join/#debian bassgoon (Aaron@unaffiliated/bassgoon) |
| 01:32.20 | bassgoon | I just booted knoppix and I'm trying to fsck the sdcard, not sure which device is the sdcard, any ideas? |
| 01:32.25 | Bushmills | ghoti: you should be fine until christmas |
| 01:33.02 | *** join/#debian tuxampol (~mexalokeq@ppp-188-174-76-152.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 01:33.04 | ghoti | Bushmills: no new vulnerabilities planned until then? :) |
| 01:33.17 | onecrazycat | bassgoon: run lspci and lsusb and try to find some hints there |
| 01:33.33 | bassgoon | onecrazycat, blech, this is a nightmare, thank you |
| 01:33.42 | bassgoon | it's actually a sata device iirc |
| 01:33.45 | onecrazycat | bassgoon: also dmesg will show you the kernel messages which can show you all the devices the kernel has found (hard drives, cd drives, etc) |
| 01:33.46 | Bushmills | not later then that should be plan for upgrading. some time after, security support will come to an end |
| 01:33.53 | *** part/#debian linuxwizard (~linuxwiza@c-98-213-226-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 01:34.05 | *** join/#debian preller (~preller@ip-109-41-235-68.web.vodafone.de) |
| 01:34.15 | *** join/#debian preller (~preller@unaffiliated/preller) |
| 01:34.40 | qop | queso: after learning the basics, I think you will know what's the best way to learn but yes, all the docs there are petty useful, though, man and google do for me |
| 01:34.42 | *** join/#debian Cryp71c (~Cryptic@c-174-49-15-75.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 01:34.50 | Cryp71c | Are there any debian-esque packaged with gnome3? |
| 01:35.03 | Cryp71c | s/esque/esque distros |
| 01:35.06 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~tensorpud@99.32.63.28) |
| 01:35.19 | qop | Ark? |
| 01:35.28 | bassgoon | onecrazycat, well I found the device in lspci... |
| 01:35.28 | *** join/#debian patterson (patterson@c-24-4-180-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:35.29 | queso | qop: okay, I'll go through them then. |
| 01:35.39 | abrotman | Cryp71c: not Debian .. you'd have to ask the other distros |
| 01:35.47 | onecrazycat | bassgoon: paste the relevant output if you're still confused |
| 01:36.01 | bassgoon | well it lists it after 0d:00.1 |
| 01:36.04 | Cryp71c | abrotman, :( curses |
| 01:36.16 | *** join/#debian ronny (~ronny@pida/ronny) |
| 01:36.26 | bassgoon | in case you're wondering, I'm a huge linux noob, I totally jacked up my androids sd card, and i"m trying to fsck it |
| 01:36.37 | onecrazycat | it's fine, we're all noobs in one way or another :) |
| 01:36.40 | onecrazycat | that's why we lurk here |
| 01:36.46 | bassgoon | cause neither my phone nor windows will recognize it at ALL |
| 01:36.52 | onecrazycat | hmmm |
| 01:36.54 | bassgoon | i'm tempted to just fdisk it |
| 01:37.06 | ghoti | Bushmills: thanks, I'll keep that schedule in mind. |
| 01:37.06 | onecrazycat | yeah i'd do that, but there's always something to be learned in the journey :) |
| 01:37.15 | *** join/#debian sameerthahir (~smartbhai@116.68.99.163) |
| 01:37.41 | onecrazycat | bassgoon: try dmesg |
| 01:37.44 | *** join/#debian satellit__afk (~satellit@2002:d064:94dc:0:219:d1ff:fe73:14e6) |
| 01:37.46 | bassgoon | ok |
| 01:37.51 | onecrazycat | That should give you more useful information |
| 01:37.52 | bassgoon | how can I scroll |
| 01:37.54 | onecrazycat | albeit a lot of information |
| 01:37.58 | *** join/#debian peregrinator_six (~human@unaffiliated/peregrinator-six/x-3729336) |
| 01:38.04 | onecrazycat | ah⦠welcome to the wide wonderful world of the "more" command |
| 01:38.20 | abrotman | less ? |
| 01:38.21 | onecrazycat | bassgoon: the "more" command lets you display a screenful of output at a time |
| 01:38.28 | qop | Am I paranoid, crazy... just a coinidence or ever since I was reading about GhostNet I am getting odd DNS problems.. |
| 01:38.30 | Bushmills | shift-pageup? |
| 01:38.31 | Tiffy | most >:-( |
| 01:38.33 | bassgoon | so more dmesg? |
| 01:38.38 | onecrazycat | yep |
| 01:38.41 | onecrazycat | dmesg | more |
| 01:38.44 | onecrazycat | pipe it to more |
| 01:38.45 | abrotman | less |
| 01:38.52 | bassgoon | that stupid pipe |
| 01:39.05 | onecrazycat | that stupid pipe will be your favorite thing in the world if you stick with linux |
| 01:39.10 | Tiffy | most > more |
| 01:39.12 | onecrazycat | it is what makes Linux so powerful |
| 01:39.14 | Cryp71c | Is installing gnome-terminal (that's the technical name of gnome3, isn't it) on debian package-supported, or will I potentially have to compile things (and thus, run into issues; potentially)? |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | gnome-shell you mean? |
| 01:39.48 | bassgoon | i found some sdhci related info |
| 01:39.51 | Cryp71c | abrotman, I have heard it referred to as gnome-terminal, is it gnome-shell? |
| 01:39.55 | onecrazycat | paste that sheet :) |
| 01:40.03 | abrotman | gnome-terminal is an xterm type application |
| 01:40.18 | bassgoon | onecrazycat, i'm on my desktop... |
| 01:40.22 | bassgoon | debian on my laptop |
| 01:40.25 | onecrazycat | ah |
| 01:40.25 | bassgoon | eer knoppix |
| 01:40.26 | onecrazycat | boooo |
| 01:40.29 | Cryp71c | abrotman, (eg, in ubuntu I can sudo apt-get install gnome-terminal) after adding the gnome3 PPA and it'll install all of gnome3. |
| 01:40.36 | onecrazycat | then ssh to it |
| 01:40.36 | bassgoon | lol |
| 01:40.36 | onecrazycat | from your desktop |
| 01:40.41 | bassgoon | hmm |
| 01:40.42 | abrotman | Cryp71c: that's not quite the same |
| 01:40.45 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:40.45 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:40.47 | onecrazycat | What type of are you running windows on your desktop? |
| 01:40.50 | *** join/#debian Auron (~auron@61.152.132.103) |
| 01:40.56 | bassgoon | um that would be windows 7 |
| 01:41.04 | Bushmills | !sudosmite Cryp71c |
| 01:41.04 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to Cryp71c and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
| 01:41.05 | onecrazycat | Then install PuTTY |
| 01:41.10 | *** join/#debian Smiledon (infected@packetkiddies.info) |
| 01:41.13 | Bushmills | likes that |
| 01:41.14 | bassgoon | and I have no easy way to get my laptop on the network |
| 01:41.15 | bassgoon | argh |
| 01:41.17 | bassgoon | day from heck |
| 01:41.18 | onecrazycat | and use it to SSH to your laptop (make sure your laptop is on your network first) |
| 01:41.18 | Cryp71c | Bushmills, lol, why is it called sudosmite? |
| 01:41.26 | Cryp71c | (I get the smite part) |
| 01:41.30 | *** join/#debian omar (~omar@41.232.195.20) |
| 01:41.36 | Bushmills | must have to do something with sudo |
| 01:41.36 | onecrazycat | bassgoon: if you don't have a network connection then forget everything I just said lol |
| 01:41.39 | omar | hi |
| 01:41.52 | bassgoon | can I get wireless going? lol |
| 01:41.55 | Cryp71c | Bushmills, norly?! I couldn't interpret the origin of the humor regarding sudo..thus, why I asked. |
| 01:42.04 | bassgoon | let me find a cable |
| 01:42.06 | onecrazycat | bassgoon: if you want my honest opinion I would just format the disk, unless the data is that valuable |
| 01:42.11 | onecrazycat | yeah just plug in |
| 01:42.24 | omar | I'am newer |
| 01:42.51 | Bushmills | Cryp71c: it relates to "...I can sudo apt-get install " |
| 01:43.31 | onecrazycat | bassgoon: try running df -h also |
| 01:43.36 | omar | I'm use PCLinux |
| 01:43.36 | onecrazycat | this will give you a list of mounted disks |
| 01:43.39 | Cryp71c | Bushmills, debian has the same apt-get style package management by default, does it not? |
| 01:43.53 | *** part/#debian queso (~queso@adsl-75-21-68-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:44.06 | *** join/#debian damex__ (~damex@77.232.140.162) |
| 01:44.07 | Bushmills | apt-get, yes. though use of aptitude is mostly encouraged |
| 01:44.28 | Cryp71c | !aptitude |
| 01:44.28 | dpkg | aptitude is probably a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 01:44.28 | bassgoon | onecrazycat, i'm willing to format |
| 01:44.33 | bassgoon | onecrazycat, still need to know how |
| 01:44.37 | onecrazycat | first try df -h |
| 01:44.37 | ghoti | !debsecan |
| 01:44.37 | dpkg | well, debsecan is a program that reports security advisories against programs installed on the host, similar to gentoo's glsa-check. See http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/. |
| 01:44.41 | bassgoon | windows/phone will not recognize sd card in the least |
| 01:44.42 | Cryp71c | !why aptitude |
| 01:44.42 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 01:44.45 | neiz | Bushmills: can you explain the difference between the two? |
| 01:44.50 | Cryp71c | neiz, ^ |
| 01:44.54 | neiz | bots beat me, nvm |
| 01:44.56 | Cryp71c | read dpkg above. |
| 01:44.57 | omar | I don't no how The UpDate |
| 01:44.57 | abrotman | msg the damn bot |
| 01:45.04 | Bushmills | neiz: there are man pages for either |
| 01:45.11 | onecrazycat | bassgoon: do a df -h and see if the drive shows up. then if it does, cd to it, and get those files using cp. |
| 01:45.32 | *** join/#debian headyadmin (~headyadmi@gateway.mirada.com) |
| 01:45.40 | *** join/#debian ZitZ (~paul@h11.19.214.67.ip.windstream.net) |
| 01:45.47 | ghoti | Is 'debsecan' the only way to list advisories against installed programs, or are there alternatives? |
| 01:46.03 | abrotman | ghoti: what's wrong with debsecan ? |
| 01:46.06 | *** join/#debian pyrony (~epic@68-26-108-153.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 01:46.17 | *** join/#debian afurlan (~afurlan@187.59.37.15) |
| 01:46.31 | bassgoon | onecrazycat, i didn't see anything the first time I did it |
| 01:46.38 | ghoti | abrotman: nothing at all, I love it; I just want to know whether it's "current" before I hammer my boss about not using it. For example, I didn't know that aptitude was preferred over apt-get until recently. |
| 01:46.41 | bassgoon | and off knoppix how do I get on dhcp on the lan |
| 01:47.19 | abrotman | ghoti: it's a bit creepy to know how much is an issue .. security-tracker.debian.net is another "tool" but not against your packages |
| 01:47.26 | omar | i want to use debian |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | so install it |
| 01:47.43 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~tensorpud@99.32.63.28) |
| 01:48.14 | omar | :) |
| 01:48.20 | *** join/#debian thepro4ever (~thepro4ev@user-373asmm.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 01:48.22 | dvs | I stop you! ;-) |
| 01:48.23 | ghoti | abrotman: I'm coming from the FreeBSD world, where `portaudit` is almost always one of the first installs on any new system... I'd prefer to know. :) |
| 01:48.29 | omar | I know That |
| 01:48.37 | omar | but |
| 01:48.42 | abrotman | ghoti: that's probably what you want then |
| 01:48.43 | *** join/#debian manischewitzbaco (~manischew@c-67-189-72-12.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 01:49.05 | thepro4ever | i want to grep for "FT_Bitmap " with a space on the end as I have there in the quotes, how can i do this? |
| 01:49.13 | abrotman | just like that |
| 01:49.14 | omar | any virsion ? |
| 01:49.22 | abrotman | !tell omar about netinst |
| 01:49.57 | omar | I'm newer |
| 01:49.58 | Bushmills | thepro4ever: remove the "for" |
| 01:50.37 | *** join/#debian ajikeshi_ (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi) |
| 01:51.45 | qop | is there anything else I have to add in grub to get vga=317a to work? I just get a black screen. video=ask works but it is not automated, |
| 01:51.51 | *** join/#debian gh0st3r (~gh0st@72.52.127.185) |
| 01:52.06 | qop | there must be something I am forgetting |
| 01:52.21 | gh0st3r | if I want to run a script on startup, but don't have root privileges on a system how would i do it? |
| 01:52.34 | gh0st3r | its a deb 5 box |
| 01:52.38 | *** join/#debian patterson (patterson@c-24-4-180-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:52.44 | Bushmills | omar: use squeeze |
| 01:53.06 | abrotman | !tell gh0st3r about run at startup |
| 01:53.11 | *** join/#debian DammitJim (~Elive_use@99-75-56-77.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:53.24 | *** join/#debian fti (~nnscript@213.164.69.193) |
| 01:53.30 | omar | <Bushmills> squeeze or netinst |
| 01:53.41 | qop | ghoti: there are options in both gnme and kde control panels to autostart apps as user... in kde you can simply link or place stuff under ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 01:53.44 | Bushmills | netinst of squeeze |
| 01:53.46 | *** part/#debian thepro4ever (~thepro4ev@user-373asmm.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 01:53.54 | Bushmills | !squeeze |
| 01:53.54 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.1>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 01:53.57 | *** join/#debian Dbug (~Dbug@unaffiliated/dbug) |
| 01:54.25 | *** join/#debian rageph (ca5a9e07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.90.158.7) |
| 01:54.46 | *** join/#debian SNow (~tomas@catalina.penki.lt) |
| 01:55.22 | onecrazycat | dhcp should be enabled on the interface |
| 01:55.23 | nvz | onecrazycat: thanks btw.. my brain doesn;t work too well these days due to pain.. forgot I even talked to ya.. heh. I knew about dropbox just didn't think of it. |
| 01:55.42 | onecrazycat | nvz: no problem |
| 01:55.47 | onecrazycat | nvz: good luck |
| 01:56.06 | omar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.29 | EmleyMoor | omar: What are you trying to do? |
| 01:57.04 | dvs | omar: www.debian.org, top right corner. |
| 01:57.33 | omar | I want use debian and I'm newer |
| 01:57.50 | abrotman | you are huh? |
| 01:58.03 | omar | I need to directory Download link ! pls |
| 01:58.04 | Dewi | omar: what does "I'm newer" mean? |
| 01:58.29 | omar | new |
| 01:58.44 | Dewi | omar: what does "directory" mean? |
| 01:58.53 | qop | newer than the next guy behind maybe |
| 01:58.57 | omar | mean new user |
| 01:59.06 | abrotman | omar: what is your native language |
| 01:59.22 | omar | I speak arabic |
| 01:59.27 | omar | sorry |
| 01:59.30 | Bushmills | you aren't user until you installed it |
| 01:59.34 | qop | omar: ln -s /this/is/some/directory /that/directory/is/linked/here |
| 01:59.35 | ghoti | qop: er, what? |
| 01:59.35 | *** join/#debian Azrael_- (~awef@p4FFF54F7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:59.43 | *** join/#debian DammitJim (~Elive_use@99-75-56-77.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:59.53 | ghoti | qop: I was asking about debsecan alternatives. |
| 02:00.03 | qop | ghoti: oh... srry |
| 02:00.27 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... "ghoti" - pronounced "fish"? |
| 02:00.29 | Dewi | omar: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 02:00.32 | ghoti | ah, another nick that started with a g. |
| 02:00.37 | ghoti | EmleyMoor: Yup! |
| 02:01.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1026] by debhelper |
| 02:01.01 | Bushmills | there's apt-listbugs |
| 02:01.07 | EmleyMoor | Very close in spelling to the Klingon word for "fish" as well |
| 02:01.07 | *** join/#debian m4ggus_ (~marcus@pD9FC4D4B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:01.46 | ghoti | EmleyMoor: the Klingon "ghotI" is an homage to what at the time was thought to be an invention by G.B. Shaw, but was probably one of his contemporaries complaining about language developments. |
| 02:01.56 | omar | Dewi : thank you |
| 02:02.10 | omar | and thank you all |
| 02:02.17 | ghoti | EmleyMoor: Wikipedia has a fairly good article about "ghoti". |
| 02:02.32 | Dewi | omar: there are several alternatives there. I recommend the netinst, network installer |
| 02:02.45 | Bushmills | not really an alternative to debsecan. but in the same line of problem reporting tools |
| 02:02.48 | DammitJim | this can't be true for squeeze! Package nvidia-settings is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 02:02.48 | DammitJim | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 02:02.48 | DammitJim | is only available from another source |
| 02:03.13 | qop | Dewi: what does that have to do with ! Directory link? o.O I dont get it |
| 02:03.24 | omar | <Dewi> ok Thank you |
| 02:03.45 | qop | confussed as usual |
| 02:03.53 | Dewi | qop: I don't know why directory, I think maybe he meant directory of downloads or something |
| 02:04.15 | qop | lol |
| 02:04.24 | omar | My pc IBM Thankcentre ! it's ok ? for debian |
| 02:04.39 | DammitJim | is this possible? |
| 02:05.43 | Dewi | "Dammit Jim, is this possible?" |
| 02:06.12 | Bushmills | DammitJim: contrib |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | omar: try it and find out .. |
| 02:07.03 | DammitJim | thanks Bushmills I thought non-free, but contrib is probably it |
| 02:07.12 | *** join/#debian ronny (~ronny@pida/ronny) |
| 02:07.33 | Dewi | DammitJim: http://packages.debian.org/nvidia-settings |
| 02:07.54 | Dewi | DammitJim: yup you need to add contrib to your sources.conf |
| 02:08.04 | Dewi | DammitJim: er sources.list |
| 02:08.05 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (~marcus@pD9FC4D4B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:08.07 | omar | <abrotman> ok thank you |
| 02:08.32 | abrotman | seems like a troll to me |
| 02:09.02 | *** join/#debian bixgomez (~bixgomez@c-24-16-37-138.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 02:09.22 | qop | abrotman seems sexi to me |
| 02:09.27 | DammitJim | Dewi, could that be why I have nothing on my screen after installing squeeze? |
| 02:09.34 | *** join/#debian bier|tp (~bier@p54A5A9EB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:09.39 | Dewi | DammitJim: no |
| 02:09.55 | *** join/#debian mirco (~mirco@p5B23A6DA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:09.56 | DammitJim | last time I installed wheezy, I didn't have this problem |
| 02:10.00 | *** join/#debian doubleukay (~doubleuka@2001:44b8:7197:e750::1:83) |
| 02:10.11 | DammitJim | I'm installing nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig... hopefully that'll take care of it |
| 02:10.36 | Dewi | DammitJim: I think the defaults should cope pretty well with nvidia gear, it just might not perform great especially for 3d |
| 02:10.52 | DammitJim | oh no, right now I have totally no output via hdmi |
| 02:11.01 | qop | Is there some way to check for integrity in apt for rppm? |
| 02:11.06 | DammitJim | I could see it booting, but then it got to a point where I didn't see anything else |
| 02:11.18 | Dewi | DammitJim: oh hdmi might be different |
| 02:11.47 | qop | nope, hdmi makes no diff |
| 02:11.48 | Dewi | DammitJim: but if it displays the console you'd hope it would display basic vga |
| 02:11.51 | DammitJim | maybe I'm not comparing apples to apples, but like I said... on wheezy, it displayed it w/o installing nvidia stuff |
| 02:12.01 | qop | just need the nvidia drivers |
| 02:12.07 | DammitJim | Dewi, it's not even displaying the console |
| 02:12.11 | Dewi | DammitJim: the native drivers have a good chance of helping |
| 02:12.12 | DammitJim | I'm ssh'd into the machine |
| 02:12.30 | DammitJim | gop nvidia drivers which get installed through apt-get install nvidia-settings, right? |
| 02:12.44 | qop | DammitJim: not even in vesa? |
| 02:12.48 | Dewi | DammitJim: have you tried the other outputs? sometimes linux only displays on 1 output until you configure differently |
| 02:13.01 | qop | DammitJim: yup |
| 02:13.21 | DammitJim | weird... Xorg.0.log doesn't say anything |
| 02:13.26 | ZitZ | apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 02:13.32 | DammitJim | ZitZ, why glx? |
| 02:13.57 | ZitZ | that's the actual driver part if i'm not mistaken, nvidia-settings just configures xorg.conf |
| 02:14.08 | ZitZ | same with nvidia-xconfig |
| 02:14.11 | DammitJim | I guess I'll reboot after this |
| 02:14.19 | omar | I want install it from USB ? |
| 02:14.40 | ZitZ | jeez, DammitJim, you have the worst luck with log files |
| 02:14.44 | DammitJim | dammit... now I have a new kernel boot option |
| 02:15.35 | Dewi | omar: I believe the CD images are hybrid, so they usually work if you copy the image directly to the usb |
| 02:15.58 | *** join/#debian DammitJim (~Elive_use@99-75-56-77.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:16.03 | dvs | Dewi: But he needs a linux install to put the image onto the USB, right? |
| 02:16.04 | qop | DammitJim: or you could run the nvidia .bin too... |
| 02:16.21 | Dewi | dvs: he's running another linux I think, omar should be able to dd it |
| 02:16.32 | DammitJim | dammit... why did it create this -486 kernel |
| 02:16.40 | DammitJim | when I had a -686 kernel |
| 02:16.49 | dvs | Dewi: ok |
| 02:16.57 | ZitZ | i think it might be because that's the kernel debian builds the module for |
| 02:17.08 | omar | only copy the image directly to the usb ? |
| 02:17.16 | omar | <Dewi> ? |
| 02:17.21 | DammitJim | where did menu.lst go for grub? |
| 02:17.26 | DammitJim | I want to change the default |
| 02:17.39 | Dewi | omar: can you find your usb disk in /dev ? |
| 02:17.42 | ZitZ | it's grub2 now, i have no idea how to change it these days |
| 02:17.53 | Dewi | omar: note that this will erase it |
| 02:17.57 | qop | omar: no. dd in=file.iso of=/dev/sdx (sdx being your usb drive) |
| 02:18.19 | Dewi | yes, that |
| 02:18.21 | ZitZ | DammitJim, is this your Wheezy machine, or Lenny machine? |
| 02:18.22 | ghoti | Bushmills: if debsecan shows a long list of things, but apt-listbugs shows me nothing, am I using apt-listbugs incorrectly? |
| 02:18.26 | qop | omar: to fgure out what dev it is you cna just unplug-replug and run dmesg |
| 02:18.47 | DammitJim | I'm installing squeeze LOL |
| 02:19.09 | *** join/#debian Cogito (~Cogito@2001:4ba0:fff1:c2::2) |
| 02:19.28 | omar | Is there a driver for it |
| 02:19.55 | ZitZ | oh, yeah, if you want to use the debian method for installing the nvidia drivers then i think you need to use the 486 kernel because i don't think Squeeze can use dkms, or you can always use the nvidia installer which isn't recommended |
| 02:20.20 | qop | DammitJim: why not just use the nvidia .bin? |
| 02:20.44 | qop | mmm! wth |
| 02:20.53 | DammitJim | from where? |
| 02:20.56 | bassgoon | I'm booted to knoppix and in dmesg I see [ 18.053073] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card. I can't fdisk, I can't fsck, is it idead? |
| 02:21.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1017] by debhelper |
| 02:21.14 | ZykoticK9 | DammitJim, most Grub2 settings are in /etc/default/grub |
| 02:21.23 | *** join/#debian ichilton (~ichilton@zeniv.linux.org.uk) |
| 02:21.29 | ZitZ | the nvidia installer isn't recommended, i would almost recommend installing components from sid to get dkms and using a newer kernel rather than using the nvidia installer |
| 02:21.33 | DammitJim | I installed squeeze on a laptop with an nvidia card this morning so I don't understand why this server is having this problem |
| 02:21.43 | qop | ok... so I am unable to connect to any messenger... gmail yahoo etc. it just keep telling me that "The identity provided by the chat server cannot be verified." And I am starting to get a bit paranoid |
| 02:21.46 | DammitJim | thanks ZykoticK9 ... I just forgot to run update-grub last time |
| 02:21.54 | DammitJim | I'm booting into 486 now... let's see |
| 02:21.59 | qop | been dealing with it for a week and cant get over it |
| 02:22.03 | ZykoticK9 | DammitJim, been there ;) |
| 02:22.16 | DammitJim | ok, got video! |
| 02:22.21 | DammitJim | but only with 486 |
| 02:22.25 | qop | =( |
| 02:22.33 | Dewi | omar: no drivers, usb storage should just work on any linux kernel from the last few years |
| 02:22.47 | qop | DammitJim: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us |
| 02:23.00 | Dewi | omar: unless you have really odd hardware |
| 02:23.53 | *** join/#debian pipeline (bb75b5f293@unaffiliated/pipeline) |
| 02:24.48 | DammitJim | thanks qop |
| 02:24.52 | ZitZ | nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686, that's the package you want Jim |
| 02:25.07 | ZitZ | for some reason it defaults to 486 for some reason |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | he'd really want the metapackage |
| 02:26.06 | DammitJim | ZitZ, is that a problem (the fact that it's 486)? |
| 02:26.37 | omar | Dewi : dmesg it for install debian from flash memory ? |
| 02:26.57 | ZitZ | debian install the nvidia modules built against the 486 kernel, which obviously pulls the 486 kernel, but you want 686, so you need the modules built against 686 |
| 02:27.28 | ZitZ | i never understood why it behaved that way from default |
| 02:27.30 | DammitJim | how do I change that? |
| 02:27.36 | omar | I use Google Translation |
| 02:27.36 | omar | So forgive me |
| 02:27.37 | DammitJim | actually, do I need to |
| 02:27.54 | ZitZ | change waht? apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 02:28.02 | Dewi | omar: you just need to find out the device node for your usb device. like /dev/sdx . One way to find it is to plug it in, wait a few seconds, and then run 'dmesg' to show you recent kernel messages where it was probed |
| 02:28.12 | ZitZ | then when you boot into that kernel you should have video |
| 02:28.35 | DammitJim | OMG.. this is so messed up |
| 02:28.46 | onecrazycat | Hello everyone, I'm building a virtualized learning/lab environment at home and I have a quick question regarding the infrastructure.  I am planning on using the following Lucid servers (respectively) DNS = djbdns, DHCP = dhcpd, SVN = svn, WEB = apache2, MANAGEMENT = puppet. What order should I create them in, does it really matter? |
| 02:28.55 | ZitZ | whenever you install a new kernel, you need to install nvidia kernel modules for that kernel |
| 02:29.23 | ZitZ | that's why you only had video for the 486 kernel |
| 02:29.28 | EmleyMoor | nvidia-kernel-dkms might be useful... |
| 02:29.35 | xk | onecrazycat: learning? puppet last. |
| 02:29.41 | ZitZ | i don't think dkms is available for squeeze |
| 02:29.45 | DammitJim | ok, I just installed 686 |
| 02:29.46 | DammitJim | rebooting |
| 02:29.51 | EmleyMoor | Ah - not for squeeze |
| 02:30.00 | EmleyMoor | Ah, yes it is |
| 02:30.08 | EmleyMoor | I have squeeze and I have it |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | wtf are lucid servers? |
| 02:30.35 | *** join/#debian jrib (~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib) |
| 02:30.38 | qop | so... what do you do when aplications both in gnome and kde complain that the certificate validity could not be verified... dns ok I think, qca ok, ... |
| 02:30.39 | xk | lol |
| 02:30.45 | xk | abrotman: sounds like ubuntu |
| 02:30.49 | DammitJim | ok, that came up |
| 02:30.54 | abrotman | what moron would ask #debian about ubuntu? |
| 02:30.55 | DammitJim | dammit... I missed which kernel it's running |
| 02:30.57 | onecrazycat | xk: correct |
| 02:31.01 | ZitZ | uname -a |
| 02:31.04 | qop | lol |
| 02:31.08 | abrotman | onecrazycat: take your questoins to #ubuntu .. have a nice day |
| 02:31.10 | DammitJim | ok, uname -a says 686 |
| 02:31.12 | DammitJim | we are in business |
| 02:31.18 | ghoti | abrotman: ignorants aren't always morons, are they? |
| 02:31.24 | *** join/#debian cyrus_mc (~cyrus@c-98-248-227-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 02:31.27 | abrotman | i didn't say he was ignorant ? |
| 02:31.36 | DammitJim | abrotman, that would be me ;) |
| 02:31.37 | ghoti | no, you said "moron". :) |
| 02:31.45 | DammitJim | ZitZ, should I have done at the beginning? |
| 02:31.49 | onecrazycat | abrotman: it really doesn't matter what distro I'm using, that sort of attitude is what discourages people from asking valid questions. |
| 02:31.57 | abrotman | yes .. it does matter .. go to #ubuntu |
| 02:31.58 | omar | I want a tool for Windows to install Debian on Flash Memory |
| 02:32.03 | xk | the only thing ubuntu did right is that they didnt enforce ipv6 crap on an ipv4-only environment. |
| 02:32.17 | ghoti | omar: Virtualbox? |
| 02:32.17 | *** join/#debian afurlan (~afurlan@187.59.37.15) |
| 02:32.22 | onecrazycat | abrotman: let me rephrase it for you so you can properly process it. |
| 02:32.24 | ZitZ | well, as EmleyMoor just brought to my attention, it appears that nvidia-kernel-dkms IS available for Squeeze, which removes the need to install modules every time |
| 02:32.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 02:32.28 | qop | onecrazycat: hehe... dude its just that you dont go to the US congress and ing the Russian national hymn do u? |
| 02:32.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-76-98-229-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by abrotman |
| 02:32.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 02:32.36 | qop | sing** |
| 02:32.48 | uoods | osnap, he definitely got rephrased |
| 02:32.52 | abrotman | onecrazycat: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic, please take your ubuntu questions to the appropriate channel, #ubuntu, have a nice day |
| 02:33.04 | ZitZ | and with dkms it will build for non-stock kernels like the liquorix kernel |
| 02:33.21 | *** join/#debian Bird|ghosted (~kb1rd@unaffiliated/htt-bird) |
| 02:33.44 | omar | Such as unetbootin |
| 02:33.51 | ZitZ | not having to use the nvidia installer, so as you see, dkms is ideal, imo that is, there are some who don't like it |
| 02:33.57 | Dewi | omar: http://pastie.org/1785278 |
| 02:34.10 | Dewi | omar: oh, for windows, hang on |
| 02:34.19 | *** join/#debian jonpacker (~contact@60-241-37-77.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:34.20 | *** part/#debian jonpacker (~contact@60-241-37-77.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:34.25 | *** join/#debian jonpacker (~contact@60-241-37-77.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:34.45 | qop | goodbyewindows.org? |
| 02:34.49 | DammitJim | ZitZ, is there an order to install the nvidia stuff? |
| 02:34.56 | Dewi | omar: unetbootin is good. It supports debian. |
| 02:35.23 | omar | no work for debian |
| 02:35.29 | Dewi | omar: it says it does |
| 02:35.39 | ZitZ | DammitJim, no, usually i do apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms and that will pull everything I need and build it, does that answer you r question? |
| 02:35.41 | qop | yup it does |
| 02:35.44 | omar | i tray it for debian |
| 02:36.03 | omar | no work |
| 02:36.15 | EmleyMoor | "no work" - How? |
| 02:36.16 | DammitJim | I meant since I did apt-get install nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig nvidia-glx |
| 02:36.38 | DammitJim | then after we figured out this 486 problem I did apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 02:36.46 | qop | omar: http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 02:36.52 | DammitJim | so, is there an order to which packages to install when? |
| 02:37.37 | ZitZ | oh, yeah, i usually install those at the same time, i don't install those to pull the actual driver, i guess when you installed nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig they didn't install nvidia-glx which is the binary part which is absolutely necessary |
| 02:38.14 | omar | So will try it again ! unetbootin |
| 02:38.26 | DammitJim | I meant nvidia-glx together with nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig |
| 02:38.53 | qop | stare at omar |
| 02:39.00 | *** join/#debian izua (~izua@unaffiliated/izua) |
| 02:39.02 | izua | hey. |
| 02:39.10 | dvs | yo |
| 02:39.26 | izua | what's the default console font that installs for squeeze? the one which uses 3 curls for {}s instead of one big curls and a middle pointy tip |
| 02:39.30 | *** join/#debian damex__ (~damex@77.232.140.162) |
| 02:39.52 | ZitZ | DammitJim, that should work, I'm looking at it right now and it looks like nvidia-glx only suggests nvidia-kernel-dkms so you may have to install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig nvidia-kernel-dkms all at the same time to get it right the way you want it |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | qop: perhaps you should just use /ignore .. omar seems to be trolling |
| 02:42.07 | DammitJim | so, I should do apt-get install nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 02:42.07 | *** join/#debian Pobega (~yaaic@student-213-122.sunyit.edu) |
| 02:42.09 | DammitJim | all in one shot? |
| 02:42.21 | omar | Thank you all for your attention |
| 02:42.42 | ZitZ | yeah, the order doesn't matter, if you missed something you can always go back and install it without any problems |
| 02:42.56 | omar | To the meeting after the experiment :) |
| 02:43.00 | DammitJim | ZitZ, I just meant since now my grub has like 4 different options |
| 02:43.28 | ZitZ | oh, do you want to get rid of the 486? |
| 02:43.38 | omar | Wish me luck |
| 02:43.44 | qop | emacs /boot/grub/grub/conf |
| 02:44.02 | qop | omar: luck luke |
| 02:44.04 | *** part/#debian onecrazycat (~Adium@c-76-98-229-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 02:44.08 | *** join/#debian ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 02:44.21 | ZitZ | i think you could do dpkg -P nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486 linux-image-2.6.32-5-486, if those are the correct package names |
| 02:44.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 02:44.28 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@c-76-98-229-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by abrotman |
| 02:44.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 02:44.40 | *** join/#debian pyrony (~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:44.48 | *** part/#debian omar (~omar@41.232.195.20) |
| 02:45.46 | *** join/#debian cockroach (~stefan@80-218-0-190.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 02:46.02 | qop | how/where do I clear ALL CAs? |
| 02:46.06 | *** join/#debian boudiccas (~boudiccas@92.24.68.15) |
| 02:46.06 | *** join/#debian boudiccas (~boudiccas@unaffiliated/boudiccas) |
| 02:47.39 | rudi_s | qop: man update-ca-certificates |
| 02:47.56 | DammitJim | ok, now to build modules... let's see how long that takes |
| 02:48.00 | *** join/#debian damex__ (~damex@77.232.140.162) |
| 02:48.38 | *** join/#debian op_amp (~Neeraj_Gu@59.177.194.231) |
| 02:49.13 | ZitZ | what modules are you building? |
| 02:49.23 | *** part/#debian op_amp (~Neeraj_Gu@59.177.194.231) |
| 02:49.28 | ZitZ | did you ever get lirc to work? |
| 02:49.31 | DammitJim | I'm installing lirc |
| 02:49.36 | DammitJim | ZitZ, yes!!! |
| 02:49.42 | DammitJim | on squeeze and wheezy |
| 02:49.45 | DammitJim | I should write something up |
| 02:50.12 | ZitZ | what exactly was wrong |
| 02:50.26 | DammitJim | honestly, I don't know |
| 02:50.43 | ZitZ | and I agree, you should write something up, because user documentation on lirc is scarce |
| 02:50.43 | DammitJim | I'm following the same instructions I jotted down 2 years ago for lenny and they seem to work |
| 02:51.15 | DammitJim | the only piece that doesn't work anymore is that the lirc modules don't get automatically loaded nor does /dev/lirc exist |
| 02:51.30 | ZitZ | i should have directed you to a how-to thread on the debianuserforums.org, one user build a mythtv pvr, complete with lirc |
| 02:51.42 | DammitJim | and for xbmc to work, you have to ln -s /var/run/lirc/lircd /dev/lircd |
| 02:52.00 | ZitZ | i think it might be /dev/lirc0? |
| 02:52.03 | DammitJim | ZitZ, I probably read it |
| 02:52.30 | DammitJim | ZitZ, /dev/lirc0 is what actually gets created once the module gets loaded (from what I saw) |
| 02:53.37 | ZitZ | what is you ir receiving device? |
| 02:54.01 | DammitJim | the module that needs to be loaded? lirc_mceusb |
| 02:54.14 | DammitJim | it's a Windows Media Center Remote that you can buy for $30 |
| 02:54.22 | DammitJim | usb ir receiver |
| 02:54.27 | ZitZ | i meant hardware that receives the signal, ah |
| 02:54.34 | ZitZ | answered my question |
| 02:55.02 | ZitZ | there were two modules for wmc remotes, the other was lirc_mceusb2 i think |
| 02:55.19 | *** join/#debian tvm (~tvm@router-vinice.pilsfree.net) |
| 02:55.50 | *** join/#debian zand_ (~xand@pdpc/supporter/active/xand) |
| 02:56.13 | izua | where can i download (or at least, what's the name) of the default console font that comes with squeeze? |
| 02:56.16 | ZitZ | i suppose you can just add whichever modules to /etc/modules |
| 02:56.23 | DammitJim | yes, lirc_mceusb2 |
| 02:56.34 | DammitJim | to /etc/modules/ |
| 02:56.36 | DammitJim | ? |
| 02:56.52 | ZitZ | if you want a modules to load at boot you add it to /etc/modules |
| 02:57.37 | DammitJim | let me check |
| 02:58.04 | DammitJim | sounds easy enough |
| 02:58.16 | ZitZ | as root, echo "lirc_mceusb2" >> /etc/modules |
| 02:58.39 | ZitZ | or you can manually edit the file obviously |
| 02:58.45 | DammitJim | ZitZ, funny that echo is used so much... first instinct for me was vi /etc/modules LOL |
| 02:58.58 | ZitZ | lol, that would work too |
| 02:59.46 | *** join/#debian Orphis_ (~quassel@belgarath.moomoocamp.net) |
| 02:59.55 | DammitJim | now I need to figure out how to create these symbolic links on the fly |
| 03:00.08 | *** join/#debian Pobega (~yaaic@student-213-122.sunyit.edu) |
| 03:00.20 | *** join/#debian GhostlyDeath (~GhostlyDe@unaffiliated/ghostlydeath) |
| 03:00.22 | ZitZ | is this an htpc you are building? |
| 03:00.42 | *** join/#debian coolguy4 (~alex@225.362.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 03:00.47 | DammitJim | yeah |
| 03:01.00 | DammitJim | it does my email, too though otherwise I would have used straight xbmc |
| 03:01.09 | DammitJim | and it serves my pictures via apache2 |
| 03:01.12 | *** join/#debian uoods (~irc@unaffiliated/hideo) |
| 03:01.32 | ZitZ | cool, i got a zotac zbox at christmas time, and i did a how-to on installing debian squeeze on the device on the debian wiki |
| 03:01.43 | ZitZ | i use it at a htpc / server same as you |
| 03:01.55 | *** join/#debian coi (~oko@71.95.215.90) |
| 03:02.00 | *** join/#debian SgrA (~SgrA@unaffiliated/sgra) |
| 03:02.11 | ZitZ | been meaning to write up more stuff that i've done with it |
| 03:02.15 | DammitJim | zotac zbox? gotta google that |
| 03:02.20 | coolguy4 | I was wondering, how long do you think it will take for iceweasel 4.0 to enter debian testing? |
| 03:02.36 | DammitJim | I also need to figure out how to get spamassassin and exim4 working |
| 03:02.36 | ZitZ | it's a mini-pc, (nettop) |
| 03:02.46 | *** join/#debian Dbug (~Dbug@unaffiliated/dbug) |
| 03:03.04 | DammitJim | ah, cool! I love those! |
| 03:03.46 | ZitZ | i don't think that would be that hard to get the mail working, setting up the dns stuff is probably tough |
| 03:03.53 | uoods | coolguy4: apparently, it's not even in unstable yet, so probably never |
| 03:04.04 | coolguy4 | lol |
| 03:04.19 | coolguy4 | it's in experimental |
| 03:04.50 | DammitJim | oh, exim4 does it all after doing a dpk-reconfigure |
| 03:04.59 | DammitJim | but to work with spamassassin is what I haven't gotten to work |
| 03:05.54 | ZitZ | ah, but i do love xbmc, may I ask how you get most of what you watch with xbmc? |
| 03:06.17 | *** join/#debian disposable (disposable@blackhole.sk) |
| 03:06.55 | DammitJim | honestly I just use it for playing pictures I have taken with background music (mp3s) |
| 03:07.07 | DammitJim | and also videos I have recorded with my camera |
| 03:07.13 | DammitJim | no real tv stuff |
| 03:07.31 | ZitZ | oh, that's cool enough |
| 03:08.04 | DammitJim | but I love the interface and now that I can get it on my android phone to control it is even better for when I'm outside |
| 03:08.17 | DammitJim | I couldn't get xbmc to work with the remote feature on lenny |
| 03:09.13 | qop | rudi_s: ty... |
| 03:09.18 | ZitZ | yeah, the apps are my favorite feature, i just wish they would add more capabilities to the app, maybe daemonize part of xbmc so you can start it with the app |
| 03:09.46 | qop | so... whenever I connect to a server in http it tells me that the ert is self signed |
| 03:09.49 | DammitJim | yup |
| 03:10.26 | qop | like, I do httpS://yahoo.com and tell me the cert is self signed?? |
| 03:10.46 | qop | same in kopete or empathy... have replaced and cleared out everything on dns |
| 03:10.54 | qop | and still nothing, wth? |
| 03:10.56 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~tensorpud@99.32.63.28) |
| 03:11.13 | coolguy4 | does the ARM version of Debian have all the same software in the repository? If not, how do I know what is and what isn't available on ARM? |
| 03:11.27 | qop | gimme a clue pls :) |
| 03:12.31 | *** join/#debian K1ng (~KING@180.211.188.140) |
| 03:13.02 | rudi_s | np |
| 03:13.31 | *** join/#debian zfran (~zfranco@186.136.190.154) |
| 03:14.55 | *** join/#debian master_of_master (~master_of@p57B57FC9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:15.16 | *** part/#debian GhostlyDeath (~GhostlyDe@unaffiliated/ghostlydeath) |
| 03:16.06 | *** join/#debian SIG_IGN (~tanmaya@112.79.89.18) |
| 03:16.24 | *** join/#debian terranova (~terranova@avx119.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 03:16.25 | rudi_s | qop: Didn't you just remove all CAs? The certs aren't self-signed in this case, but not signed by a known CA (because you have none). |
| 03:17.15 | qop | rudi_s: havent delete any |
| 03:17.28 | *** join/#debian sloopy (~sloopy@unaffiliated/sloopy) |
| 03:17.39 | *** join/#debian wasi (~wasi@pub082136071156.dh-hfc.datazug.ch) |
| 03:17.46 | qop | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.09 | qop | rudi_s: should it have any other ones? :o |
| 03:19.36 | qop | thats teh prob then I guess |
| 03:19.44 | rudi_s | qop: I'm not sure, I don't use CAs .. |
| 03:20.07 | qop | mmk |
| 03:21.56 | *** join/#debian linuxwizard (~linuxwiza@c-98-213-226-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 03:23.33 | *** join/#debian oberling (~oberling@brln-4d0c33c8.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 03:25.14 | *** join/#debian Tordek (tordek@april-fools/yetanotherhardetest/tordek) |
| 03:26.11 | Tordek | can I set debian (or apt or whatever) to always download he latest kernel? I was in 2.6.32 up until recently and I had to instal 2.6.38 manually |
| 03:28.01 | *** join/#debian S4RY (~D1@unaffiliated/sary) |
| 03:29.20 | *** join/#debian mns (~mns@c-71-232-124-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:29.43 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (~Rusty1@cpe-74-70-70-0.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:37.45 | *** join/#debian josephseraos (~joseph@187.68.113.118) |
| 03:37.51 | *** join/#debian S4RY (~D1@unaffiliated/sary) |
| 03:38.31 | karlpinc | coolguy4: Should be the same. That's the point. (But it may not be quite as well tested. There can be arch specific bugs.) |
| 03:40.17 | mosno | i wish debian installer marked tasksel deps as automatic :( ... eg. installing kde as desktop environment should have package "kde" as a manual dep, and the rest as auto |
| 03:41.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1010] by debhelper |
| 03:42.46 | *** join/#debian ncklsptr (aum@bbis.us) |
| 03:43.50 | *** join/#debian S4RY (~D1@188.249.186.119) |
| 03:43.50 | *** join/#debian S4RY (~D1@unaffiliated/sary) |
| 03:45.45 | *** join/#debian jonpacker (~contact@60-241-37-77.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 03:46.00 | *** part/#debian izua (~izua@unaffiliated/izua) |
| 03:46.40 | *** join/#debian MIOW (~miow@nat244-248-205-109.tvoe.tv) |
| 03:47.40 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~tensorpud@99.32.63.28) |
| 03:49.41 | qop | see like w3m https://gmail.com --> Bad cert ident mail.google.com from gmail.com: accept? (y/n) |
| 03:50.27 | *** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) |
| 03:51.38 | *** join/#debian MadViking (~user@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe8efb00-63.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 03:52.35 | *** join/#debian iRabbit (~iRabbit@216.104.45.109) |
| 03:52.54 | *** join/#debian ^nahuel (~nahuel@190.49.198.120) |
| 03:55.39 | ^nahuel | hi all, I have a problem with Debian Testing. I upgraded the kernel from 2.6.36.4 to 2.6.38.2 and now the system starts only in console mode... any suggestions? |
| 03:56.13 | qop | ^nahuel: do you get full console or sys repair? |
| 03:56.53 | ^nahuel | full console |
| 03:57.15 | qop | ^nahuel: tried startx? |
| 03:57.58 | *** join/#debian alphur (~joshua@cpe-76-90-165-115.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 03:59.50 | ^nahuel | startx is the same as "service gdm3 start"? |
| 03:59.52 | ^nahuel | i tried that |
| 04:00.21 | qop | not -the same- |
| 04:00.35 | *** join/#debian dzup (~alex@unaffiliated/dzup) |
| 04:00.53 | qop | but... you most likely need to deal with video drivers.. nvidia andd stuff |
| 04:01.07 | qop | I'd install those |
| 04:01.11 | qop | g2g |
| 04:01.18 | *** join/#debian somnus_ (~somnus@srbk-5d804372.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 04:02.53 | *** join/#debian skrewler (~skrewler@70-36-139-11.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) |
| 04:03.59 | *** join/#debian Mirrakor (~Leya@opensuse/member/Mirrakor) |
| 04:05.44 | *** join/#debian buhman (~zack@unaffiliated/zjblabs) |
| 04:06.12 | DammitJim | Tordek, what are you on? wheezy? |
| 04:06.14 | *** join/#debian K1ng\ (~KING@204.45.132.6) |
| 04:06.39 | Tordek | DammitJim: yes |
| 04:06.45 | DammitJim | apt-get upgrade? |
| 04:07.09 | Tordek | I did; it didn't update linux-base |
| 04:07.13 | *** join/#debian jorgp (~jorgp@adsl-99-75-39-144.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:07.51 | jorgp | is there any jigdo packages for a unstable snapshot? |
| 04:08.26 | Raptors23 | I'm building my own kernel and needed some general info. Would AMD phenom be classified as opteron/athlon64/hammer/k8? |
| 04:08.39 | Raptors23 | amd phenom 9850 |
| 04:11.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1001] by debhelper |
| 04:12.28 | *** join/#debian Wildweasal (~Wildweasa@unaffiliated/wildweasal) |
| 04:12.44 | *** part/#debian bassgoon (Aaron@unaffiliated/bassgoon) |
| 04:17.03 | jorgp | wow I have never seen the debian channel this quite |
| 04:19.16 | Raptors | no |
| 04:21.23 | DammitJim | lol |
| 04:21.29 | DammitJim | somebody make some noise!!! |
| 04:21.44 | DammitJim | jorgp, or are you just waiting for me to complain about some error I'm getting? :D |
| 04:21.56 | jorgp | yes |
| 04:22.05 | DammitJim | actually, what is a safe way to check if an application is running? |
| 04:22.21 | DammitJim | I want to write a shell script that checks if xbmc is running... if it isn't, then launch it |
| 04:22.51 | *** join/#debian lizone (~AndChat@174.141.212.4) |
| 04:23.41 | *** join/#debian c0rn (~c0rn@abhiyerra.xen.prgmr.com) |
| 04:24.03 | *** join/#debian Bop_ (~Vrooomm@bl8-65-98.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 04:24.39 | lost_soul | DammitJim: could have it create a PID file if it doesn't already.. make a script to check every few minutes if the PID file exists and if not start xbmc |
| 04:25.02 | DammitJim | what do you mean by create a PID file? don't all applications do that? |
| 04:25.03 | lost_soul | eggdrop does something similar |
| 04:25.14 | *** join/#debian paolosca (~paolo@202.164.221.91) |
| 04:25.43 | lost_soul | DammitJim: all make a PID file, no. I don't think so. |
| 04:25.57 | *** join/#debian alphur (~joshua@cpe-76-90-165-115.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:26.04 | *** join/#debian SSL` (~Unix@nat/hp/x-wnzpheqzyptjzlyp) |
| 04:26.44 | *** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) |
| 04:26.52 | DammitJim | oh |
| 04:27.21 | lost_soul | give me a few minutes.. I'll see if I can find the documentation I was reading about it a couple months ago |
| 04:27.43 | lost_soul | DammitJim: you might be thinking a process id of which all programs have, but they don't all make a PID file |
| 04:28.12 | Bhavicp | Would anyone know how to fix this |
| 04:28.13 | Bhavicp | tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:28.13 | Bhavicp | Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
| 04:28.15 | DammitJim | oh, cool |
| 04:28.39 | Bhavicp | I had a LVM on that partition, but i reinstalled Debian (on the first disk) and now i cant get it to mount. |
| 04:29.35 | DammitJim | man, what a nick... fisted |
| 04:29.49 | *** join/#debian stylesen (~stylesen@nat/nokia/x-dundvsevaohzcbgq) |
| 04:30.34 | *** part/#debian linuxwizard (~linuxwiza@c-98-213-226-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:30.53 | *** join/#debian blackshirt (~blackshit@203.78.122.118) |
| 04:31.33 | *** join/#debian chipotle (~chipotle@209-6-67-222.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 04:31.45 | paolosca | Hi... I have a problem sending an update to a debian bug report, the mail keeps getting lost. Do you know if there is some kind of filter (i.e. size of email, attachments)? |
| 04:31.51 | lost_soul | DammitJim: http://fak3r.com/geek/howto/howto-create-a-pidfile-for-a-startup-script/ |
| 04:32.11 | xk | hmm... FastCGI process manager seems a little buggy |
| 04:32.15 | DammitJim | lost_soul, that's funny... I was just reading that! |
| 04:32.18 | xk | it randomly leaves processes running without killing them. |
| 04:32.19 | lost_soul | thats not the site I was reading prior.. but it might get you started in the right direction.. more links to come |
| 04:33.06 | c0rn | i can't use anything that requires ssl2 on wheezy. |
| 04:33.26 | *** join/#debian jascha (~jascha@216.3.105.34) |
| 04:33.28 | lost_soul | DammitJim: ok.. I'll post the actual ones I had read regarding eggdrop when I come across them. Eggdrop actually has a script already built to start it if it isn't running so you could prolly adapt that for XBMC once you make a script to make a PID file |
| 04:33.49 | c0rn | i'm assuming that it's due to bug #622134 |
| 04:33.52 | lost_soul | put it in cron and you should be set |
| 04:33.57 | c0rn | is there a work around? |
| 04:35.00 | *** join/#debian fisted (~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 04:35.10 | DammitJim | lost_soul, I'm not monitoring xbmc per se... just creating a script so that when I press a button on the remote control, it starts xbmc through lirc/irexec |
| 04:36.02 | lost_soul | DammitJim: originally you said you wanted something that would basically make sure xbmc is always running didn't you? |
| 04:36.15 | ectospasm | Is getting MythTV on Debian straightforward? |
| 04:36.42 | DammitJim | lost_soul, I might have... I"m sorry... I just wanted to check if it was running |
| 04:36.53 | DammitJim | dammit... I didn't back up my /var/mail/ file |
| 04:37.14 | lost_soul | ah.. kk, same basic process without the need for cron then |
| 04:38.49 | *** join/#debian dserban (~dserban@S0106001346beb5f3.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 04:38.58 | DammitJim | ok, I better hit the sack... dammit.. I should shoot myself for not making a backup, ugh |
| 04:39.48 | *** join/#debian dzup (~alex@unaffiliated/dzup) |
| 04:40.14 | lost_soul | live and learn |
| 04:41.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 994] by debhelper |
| 04:41.57 | *** join/#debian tonsofpcs (~tonsofpcs@cpe-69-205-240-64.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 04:42.44 | *** join/#debian tonsofpcs (~tonsofpcs@cpe-69-205-240-64.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 04:42.58 | DammitJim | yup |
| 04:43.01 | *** join/#debian tonsofpcs (~tonsofpcs@april-fools/thesixthest/tonsofpcs) |
| 04:43.07 | DammitJim | I just hope there wasn't anything that important on there |
| 04:43.32 | lost_soul | yea, that would suck |
| 04:43.37 | *** join/#debian ga_bash (~gaurav@113.193.133.109) |
| 04:46.31 | DammitJim | ok, thanks for all the help |
| 04:46.31 | DammitJim | good night |
| 04:47.17 | *** join/#debian tempeldirne (~L@gssn-5f754ca5.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 04:49.47 | *** join/#debian ghoti (~paul@scratch.it.ca) |
| 04:51.17 | *** join/#debian edog (~edog@alcotrash.org) |
| 04:51.55 | *** join/#debian omeddragon (~omeddrago@pool-71-178-234-18.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 04:54.27 | *** join/#debian jeremym (~jsmartin@173-29-172-71.client.mchsi.com) |
| 04:56.07 | *** join/#debian ymasory_ (~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 04:56.24 | *** join/#debian aminpy (~aminpy@178.131.102.107) |
| 04:59.31 | *** join/#debian chellomere (~alex@h-234-42.A189.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 05:03.50 | *** join/#debian m4ggus_ (~marcus@pD9FC47D7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:08.24 | *** join/#debian ga_bash (~gaurav@113.193.133.109) |
| 05:08.52 | *** join/#debian em (~em@unaffiliated/emma) |
| 05:09.02 | *** join/#debian wooden (~anon@user-1087hp5.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 05:09.02 | *** join/#debian wooden (~anon@pdpc/supporter/active/wooden) |
| 05:09.52 | *** join/#debian apelgate (~apel@s83-191-241-173.cust.tele2.se) |
| 05:11.23 | *** join/#debian cbecht (~cbecht@c-24-99-71-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 05:11.29 | *** join/#debian slvmchn (~slvmecha@c-24-91-117-140.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 05:12.40 | *** part/#debian gh0st3r (~gh0st@72.52.127.185) |
| 05:13.35 | *** join/#debian Infra_3600 (~rdanilov@80.250.173.139) |
| 05:16.05 | *** join/#debian bixgomez (~bixgomez@c-24-16-37-138.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:16.57 | *** join/#debian cahoot (~radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 05:17.02 | karlpinc | !tell ectospasm about overview |
| 05:19.01 | *** join/#debian hkof11 (~chatzilla@2001:da8:207:5230:61e3:b123:bd14:885a) |
| 05:19.03 | karlpinc | ectospasm: So, yes. |
| 05:20.08 | *** join/#debian Gilde (~Gilde@dslb-092-076-128-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:20.50 | *** join/#debian r3r3 (~r3r3@77-56-249-123.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 05:21.43 | *** part/#debian hkof11 (~chatzilla@2001:da8:207:5230:61e3:b123:bd14:885a) |
| 05:24.43 | *** join/#debian CrashFr (~CrashFr@sto93-2-82-228-142-248.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 05:26.49 | *** join/#debian Tigger__ (~Tigger@cpc4-fare6-2-0-cust436.6-1.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 05:27.09 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@unaffiliated/dimmur) |
| 05:27.41 | *** join/#debian xiangfu (~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com) |
| 05:27.49 | *** join/#debian echosyl (echosyl@221.212.91.229) |
| 05:28.14 | *** join/#debian Auron (~auron@61.152.132.103) |
| 05:28.23 | *** join/#debian dobber (~dobber@89.190.197.77) |
| 05:28.55 | *** join/#debian dudz_ (~dudz_@123-243-44-131.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 05:29.03 | *** join/#debian sk1nnyyc0w (~sk1nnyyc0@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) |
| 05:29.48 | *** part/#debian sk1nnyyc0w (~sk1nnyyc0@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) |
| 05:30.12 | *** join/#debian wooden (~anon@user-1087hp5.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 05:30.12 | *** join/#debian wooden (~anon@pdpc/supporter/active/wooden) |
| 05:31.05 | *** join/#debian Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 05:32.32 | *** join/#debian greenmang0 (~quassel@121.243.225.226) |
| 05:32.32 | *** join/#debian greenmang0 (~quassel@unaffiliated/greenmang0) |
| 05:32.48 | ectospasm | !multimedia |
| 05:32.48 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 05:33.05 | *** join/#debian vivid (~vivid@c-76-104-215-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:33.26 | ectospasm | !dmm squeeze |
| 05:33.26 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 05:35.31 | Bhavicp | WindowsXP Uptime: 2wks 3days 9hrs 49mins 58secs Best: 2wks 3days 9hrs 49mins 58secs |
| 05:36.18 | ectospasm | is that supposed to be a feat? |
| 05:36.38 | xk | heh |
| 05:36.53 | *** join/#debian witchdoc (~karsten@unaffiliated/witchdoc) |
| 05:38.20 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~tensorpud@99.32.63.28) |
| 05:38.56 | *** join/#debian Evixion (~Evixion@tn-67-236-3-68.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 05:39.50 | *** join/#debian greenmang0_ (~quassel@unaffiliated/greenmang0) |
| 05:41.08 | *** join/#debian ElDiabolo (~jo@46.115.1.104) |
| 05:41.33 | *** join/#debian Matkinson (~Matkinson@211-197.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 05:41.40 | *** join/#debian empiric (779b1fdc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.119.155.31.220) |
| 05:41.48 | *** join/#debian mirco (~mirco@pd95b6029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:43.41 | *** join/#debian alyu (~alyu@84-217-117-232.tn.glocalnet.net) |
| 05:45.29 | *** join/#debian DeathNostril (~quag7@c-69-137-190-102.hsd1.az.comcast.net) |
| 05:46.18 | *** join/#debian tobago (~crolle@unaffiliated/tobago) |
| 05:46.20 | *** join/#debian [Sanyi] (thg@thinks.you.should.google.before.asking.on-irc.biz) |
| 05:46.27 | *** join/#debian ungage (ung@dsl-fixed-94-30-53-26.interdsl.co.uk) |
| 05:47.36 | *** join/#debian ranamalo (~ranamalo@108-69-73-170.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:47.50 | *** join/#debian Gnudoll (~charline@c-24-130-240-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:48.38 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~project25@ip-77-221-176-177.dsl.twang.net) |
| 05:51.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1007] by debhelper |
| 05:52.46 | *** join/#debian Flash_ (~flash@plague.digdilem.org) |
| 05:53.30 | *** join/#debian DeathNostril (~quag7@c-69-137-190-102.hsd1.az.comcast.net) |
| 05:54.35 | *** join/#debian Skizorager (~quassel@91.178.7.133) |
| 05:56.00 | *** join/#debian spal (~susam@pdpc/supporter/active/spal) |
| 05:59.12 | *** join/#debian Bus3rr0r (~Bus3rr0r@219.sub-174-252-52.myvzw.com) |
| 06:00.40 | *** join/#debian tnguyen (~tnguyen@c-68-35-79-36.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 06:02.34 | *** join/#debian danilo (~danilo@host34-93-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 06:03.28 | *** join/#debian aminpy (~aminpy@178.131.66.55) |
| 06:03.49 | WormFood | is pidgin busted with msn on debian? Will there be official updates to pidgin on squeeze, if networks quit working (for example, if yahoo changed things, and it quit working), will pidgin be updated, or are updates strictly limited to security updates? |
| 06:04.12 | *** join/#debian davyg (~davyg@davyg.fr) |
| 06:04.35 | xk | hmm |
| 06:10.04 | *** join/#debian chadkouse (~chadkouse@rrcs-74-218-87-242.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 06:10.36 | chadkouse | hey guys I installed jetty via apt -- I'm trying to set the value of JAVA_HOME in /etc/default/jetty but it keeps saying it can't find any VM in Java Home |
| 06:15.53 | *** join/#debian cornelinux (~koelbel@dslb-188-107-041-138.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:17.05 | *** join/#debian omeddragon (~omeddrago@pool-71-178-234-18.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:17.25 | *** join/#debian ali3n0 (~alieno@93-32-190-131.ip34.fastwebnet.it) |
| 06:17.32 | *** join/#debian Tweex (be871028@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.135.16.40) |
| 06:17.38 | Tweex | how do you enable sound on linux? i cant listen to youtube videos... driving me nutss!! |
| 06:18.18 | *** join/#debian Matic`Makovec (~biggi_mat@2001:1470:faca:1502:f177:e13f:8f49:90bd) |
| 06:18.28 | Tweex | been trying to fix this for quite some time already, tried everything here with no luck http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/slackware-linux/48278-firefox-flash-no-sound.html |
| 06:20.05 | *** join/#debian prem (~prem@180.149.48.228) |
| 06:20.08 | prem | hi all |
| 06:20.28 | prem | how to define user specific /tmp directory in debian |
| 06:20.43 | Corey | prem: Urm, what? |
| 06:20.59 | prem | i dont want to provide /tmp as temp dir for all users and want to define /home/USER/tmp dir for each user |
| 06:21.03 | prem | is it possible..? |
| 06:21.04 | *** join/#debian mocca (~mocca@bb121-6-252-253.singnet.com.sg) |
| 06:22.08 | prem | Corey, is it possible to define a environment variable like that..? |
| 06:22.23 | Corey | "/tmp" isn't an environment variable, it's an absolute path. |
| 06:23.10 | *** join/#debian omeddragon (~omeddrago@pool-71-178-234-18.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:23.46 | Tweex | Corey: hey man do you know how to get sound working in linux? im using Slitaz |
| 06:23.54 | prem | Corey, okey.,but is it possible to change the path dynamically for each user..? |
| 06:24.09 | Corey | prem: How do you propose doing that, exactly? :-) |
| 06:24.15 | *** join/#debian cpf_ (~cpf@d515306D2.static.telenet.be) |
| 06:24.25 | Corey | prem: I mean, you could chroot users into their own local environment, but past that... |
| 06:25.38 | prem | Corey, i dont want to keep /tmp as world readable..and want to have each user under /home to have a separate tmp path similar to /home/$USER/tmp |
| 06:25.49 | ectospasm | /tmp is generally mounted with the sticky bit, so only user A can access his files... |
| 06:26.04 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.17 | Corey | prem: What's the real world problem you're trying to solve? |
| 06:26.21 | niklaswe | morning! |
| 06:26.21 | Corey | ectospasm: Delete, not access. :-) |
| 06:26.25 | Tweex | lol man |
| 06:26.44 | ElDiabolo | Tweex, Sounds from the desktop uses a demon (esd on gnome, arts on KDE). Probably your Flash plugin has decided to use esd. |
| 06:26.49 | WormFood | Tweex, you running 64-bit? |
| 06:26.49 | prem | well.,i dont want user B to view / access user A tmp files |
| 06:27.09 | Tweex | Im running on a very tiny dist called Slitaz |
| 06:27.10 | ectospasm | prem: user A can set the permissions, look at umask |
| 06:27.31 | Tweex | im not sure but i think its working @ 32-bit |
| 06:27.36 | WormFood | Tweex, so ask the slitaz channel. This is the debian channel |
| 06:27.55 | Tweex | i know man |
| 06:27.58 | Tweex | theres nobody there |
| 06:28.04 | Tweex | been waiting for days |
| 06:28.06 | WormFood | sorry about your luck |
| 06:28.08 | Tweex | for an answer |
| 06:28.14 | WormFood | install debian, then ask here |
| 06:28.16 | Tweex | maybe you guys could help me out a bit |
| 06:28.28 | *** join/#debian omeddragon (~omeddrago@pool-71-178-234-18.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:28.43 | WormFood | Tweex, I'll make one suggestion, then nothing more |
| 06:28.47 | Tweex | is there a tiny debian dist i could download fast? like less than 300mb you recommend? |
| 06:28.52 | Tweex | awesome |
| 06:28.58 | *** join/#debian proxy_ (~proxy@59.167.220.214) |
| 06:29.02 | WormFood | if you're running 64-bit flash, make sure you have the 64-bit flash plugin |
| 06:29.07 | prem | ectospasm, Corey i read somewhere about TMPDIR env variable..is annything like that exists in debian..? |
| 06:29.23 | WormFood | I had a boat load of problems with flash and sound...real pain |
| 06:29.40 | WormFood | install 64-bit flash, and everything is good now. |
| 06:29.41 | *** join/#debian Cogito (~Cogito@2001:4ba0:fff1:c2::2) |
| 06:29.46 | Tweex | but i dont even know if i have sound |
| 06:30.08 | WormFood | you can download a live debian distro on cd |
| 06:30.08 | Corey | TMPDIR can be set to whatever you want it, but many things will use /tmp hardcoded. |
| 06:30.16 | prem | say in a server client environment.,is it possible to set different umask values for each users under TMP.. |
| 06:30.22 | WormFood | but I don't know where offhand. |
| 06:30.40 | Tweex | all i know is when i move the volume control slider the "muted" gets ticked |
| 06:31.04 | *** join/#debian yves__ (foobar@agostini.univ-metz.fr) |
| 06:31.18 | *** join/#debian zand (~zand@pdpc/supporter/active/xand) |
| 06:31.53 | *** join/#debian gratidude1 (~gratidude@155.69.200.255) |
| 06:31.55 | prem | Corey, for eg in my system env "GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-FThWDp" is one of the entry..can we redirect such things to /home/USER/tmp ? |
| 06:32.08 | Tweex | guys please help me out i want to listen to a song so i can go to sleep in peace |
| 06:32.32 | Corey | prem: Okay, sure-- but that'll affect one thing. |
| 06:32.41 | WormFood | Tweex, drop it, You're in the wrong place. Sorry. |
| 06:32.47 | prem | wat Corey |
| 06:32.59 | Tweex | what you mean wrong place man |
| 06:33.07 | Tweex | there is nobody in slitaz channel |
| 06:33.09 | Corey | prem: For the last time, many, many things reference /tmp. Not all of them do it via environment variables. |
| 06:33.22 | Tweex | and linux dist are very similar |
| 06:33.26 | ansgar | Tweex: There being nobody does not make this the right place. |
| 06:33.36 | WormFood | Tweex, then install a distro that is better supported...maybe something like...I don't know....perhaps DEBIAN?!? |
| 06:33.50 | Tweex | lol man i dont have a HD |
| 06:34.06 | Tweex | this slitaz dist doesnt even let me use the dvdrw |
| 06:34.09 | *** join/#debian Prathibha (~Prathibha@218.248.24.19) |
| 06:34.14 | Tweex | its not easy for me |
| 06:34.15 | WormFood | then it sucks to be you. You will get little to no help here, with some other distro |
| 06:34.17 | Corey | Tweex: We don't ship slitaz, we ship debian. |
| 06:34.23 | Corey | So shoo, please. :-) |
| 06:34.29 | *** part/#debian coolguy4 (~alex@225.362.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 06:34.30 | WormFood | now, if one of the admins sees you, you will get banned |
| 06:34.35 | chadkouse | Tweex: just install ubuntu already ;) |
| 06:34.43 | WormFood | or knoppix |
| 06:34.45 | Tweex | what the fuck dude |
| 06:34.50 | Corey | Tweex: Watch your language please. |
| 06:34.51 | Tweex | i cant install siht |
| 06:34.54 | chadkouse | Tweex: actually -- go with windows |
| 06:34.55 | Corey | Tweex: Language. |
| 06:34.57 | Tweex | and you tell me to install ubuntu |
| 06:34.58 | Tweex | ? |
| 06:35.06 | Tweex | i dont have a HD |
| 06:35.12 | *** join/#debian vivanov (~vivanov@83.149.47.156) |
| 06:35.14 | chadkouse | Tweex: oh.. install xbmc |
| 06:35.15 | Tweex | i cant use my dvdrw from slitaz |
| 06:36.01 | Tweex | i guess |
| 06:36.05 | chadkouse | Tweex: ubuntu live cd |
| 06:36.06 | WormFood | Tweex is the kinda guy, that'd go to a woman's clinic, to get his prostate looked at |
| 06:36.15 | *** part/#debian vivanov (~vivanov@83.149.47.156) |
| 06:36.17 | Tweex | no |
| 06:36.18 | Corey | Let us be civil. :-) |
| 06:36.20 | Tweex | im the kind a guy |
| 06:36.27 | Tweex | that goes to your house and fucks with your mother |
| 06:36.28 | *** mode/#debian [+o Corey] by ChanServ |
| 06:36.28 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.135.16.40] by Corey |
| 06:36.28 | *** mode/#debian [-o Corey] by Corey |
| 06:36.33 | Corey | Civility is not hard to maintain. |
| 06:36.35 | chadkouse | ruh roh |
| 06:36.50 | ectospasm | heh, rage quit |
| 06:36.54 | chadkouse | i wonder who he and my mother were having sex with ? |
| 06:37.06 | chadkouse | probably my dad. |
| 06:37.16 | WormFood | heh..what took you so long Corey? |
| 06:37.30 | Corey | WormFood: I'm not a #debian op. :-) |
| 06:37.50 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-191.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 06:38.02 | WormFood | you were for a second |
| 06:38.03 | Corey | So I tend to err on the side of tolerance. |
| 06:38.08 | WormFood | me too |
| 06:38.13 | chadkouse | I've downloaded a 32 bit jdk -- trying to get jetty to run it. |
| 06:38.25 | *** join/#debian caoyu1099 (~bagel@110.191.171.248) |
| 06:38.28 | WormFood | I do have ops in other channels, and rarely need to use it |
| 06:38.34 | chadkouse | anyone done this before? |
| 06:38.38 | chadkouse | (on 64 bit debian) |
| 06:38.42 | Corey | chadkouse: Ugh, welcome to hell. :-) |
| 06:38.44 | WormFood | most of the time, it is other people asking me to use my banhammer |
| 06:38.55 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.241.144) |
| 06:38.56 | chadkouse | Corey: been there 1/2 of the day already =D |
| 06:39.17 | chadkouse | the other 1/2 I was in another kind of hell involving windows |
| 06:39.39 | WormFood | well, you got to hell by worshiping the wrong sun god (pun intended) |
| 06:39.51 | *** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@85-18-52-10.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 06:40.25 | Corey | Hail to the sun god, he sure is a fun god, Ra Ra Ra... |
| 06:40.37 | Arrowmaster | prem: libpam-tmpdir might be what you are looking for |
| 06:41.09 | chadkouse | so I pointed JAVA_HOME to the 32 bit jdk I downloaded -- but jetty fails to start with an error "Cannot find any VM in Java Home" |
| 06:41.32 | WormFood | indeed...I think the sun is a good thing to worship...it brings us light, and warmth...something I can see and feel, unlike some other gods I could mention. ;) |
| 06:41.41 | *** join/#debian edog (~edog@alcotrash.org) |
| 06:41.56 | chadkouse | WormFood: you quoting george carlin or Jesse Ventura now? |
| 06:41.59 | *** join/#debian switch (~unknown@unaffiliated/switch) |
| 06:42.15 | WormFood | chadkouse, that would have been a paraphrase on george carlin |
| 06:42.28 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@139.182.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 06:42.42 | chadkouse | Jesse ventura is a sun-worshipper now too... |
| 06:42.43 | *** join/#debian T-One (~T-One@194.183.141.242) |
| 06:42.46 | WormFood | of course, carlin goes into much more detail...I'm just trying to get the gist of it |
| 06:43.00 | WormFood | yeah, he has some good sayings on the subject |
| 06:43.50 | *** join/#debian liable (~liable@123.208.73.86) |
| 06:43.50 | *** join/#debian liable (~liable@unaffiliated/liable) |
| 06:43.51 | *** join/#debian prem (~prem@180.149.48.228) |
| 06:44.10 | chadkouse | Corey: you sounded like you had some experience with what I'm trying to do, any tips ? |
| 06:44.26 | WormFood | I offend some people when I ask "what god do you believe in?", and their response is "there is only one god!"....ok, fine...so there is only one in your mind...which one is it? (funny, but they never answer me) |
| 06:44.49 | Dewi | WormFood: it must be suffocating to live in the USA |
| 06:44.50 | *** join/#debian Digdilem (~flash@plague.digdilem.org) |
| 06:44.56 | Corey | chadkouse: Yeah, you've got to ensure you've got 32 bit libs installed and the right environmental variables. |
| 06:45.08 | Corey | I solved the problem by making the devs develop in a 64 bit environment a year ago. :-) |
| 06:45.08 | WormFood | what do you mean Dewi? |
| 06:45.10 | *** join/#debian Droof (~Droof@cpe-066-056-155-022.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 06:45.17 | Dewi | WormFood: I assume you heard that in the USA |
| 06:45.36 | chadkouse | Corey: I'm about to solve the problem by scrapping this for a 32 bit installation of debia |
| 06:45.37 | WormFood | Dewi, actually, I head that in China! |
| 06:45.37 | chadkouse | n |
| 06:45.50 | Droof | Dewi u suck cause USA rocks |
| 06:45.50 | Dewi | WormFood: bizarre |
| 06:45.54 | Corey | chadkouse: That's ultimately the way to go. I also tend to cheat and do such things in virtual environments. |
| 06:45.57 | WormFood | why? |
| 06:46.18 | Dewi | WormFood: because plurality of deities is a familiar thing to most societies |
| 06:46.21 | WormFood | many religious people in China...I mean, not a high percentage, but a lot by numbers. It is really funny sometimes. |
| 06:46.31 | *** mode/#debian [+o Corey] by ChanServ |
| 06:46.31 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.135.16.40] by Corey |
| 06:46.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o Corey] by Corey |
| 06:46.31 | chadkouse | Corey: yeah I'll just scrap this vm for a 32 bit version.. I actually already asked ops to bring one up for me tomorrow morning.. but I really though this could work :) |
| 06:46.49 | WormFood | Dewi, to most socicieties that isn't christian or muslum |
| 06:46.55 | Corey | chadkouse: I THINK it can. |
| 06:46.57 | Corey | It's just ugly. |
| 06:47.07 | Corey | Let's not turn this into a religious debate, shall we? |
| 06:47.07 | Droof | china sucks cause USA rocks |
| 06:47.17 | chadkouse | Corey: yeah.... well I think I'm going to go to bed then :) |
| 06:47.25 | Corey | chadkouse: Good call. |
| 06:47.28 | Corey | Droof: That'll do. |
| 06:47.32 | chadkouse | peace |
| 06:47.37 | *** part/#debian chadkouse (~chadkouse@rrcs-74-218-87-242.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 06:47.46 | Dewi | WormFood: yes, but in most of "christendom" other than the USA non-christians are something you see on a daily basis |
| 06:47.53 | WormFood | Corey, isn't a religious debate at all...we're just talking about it. I think we're both on the same side ;) |
| 06:48.45 | *** join/#debian jujugre (~julienb@artis3.probesys.com) |
| 06:48.48 | WormFood | Dewi, you just can't reason with religious people, because if you could, there wouldn't be any religious people ;) |
| 06:49.23 | WormFood | ok....now back to my original question...... |
| 06:49.38 | WormFood | is pidgin busted with msn on debian? Will there be official updates to pidgin on squeeze, if networks quit working (for example, if yahoo changed things, and it quit working), will pidgin be updated, or are updates strictly limited to security updates? |
| 06:49.53 | Corey | WormFood: Bugfixes also get pushed out in many cases. |
| 06:50.17 | WormFood | is there some rules for bug fixes in stuff like that |
| 06:50.27 | WormFood | I haven't had QQ working in pidgin in a LONG time |
| 06:50.41 | WormFood | I see one update newer than in squeeze, they made some QQ related updates |
| 06:50.53 | Droof | QQ sucks cause USA rocks |
| 06:51.05 | Corey | Droof: Stop please. |
| 06:51.05 | WormFood | were those QQ related changed patched into what is in debian |
| 06:51.14 | Dewi | WormFood: yeah, but whether non-adherents exist or not isn't a religious question. Or shouldn't be; to me it crosses the line into persecution. |
| 06:51.28 | Droof | Corey sucks cause he doesnt like the USA |
| 06:51.35 | *** join/#debian ia (~ia@89.169.161.244) |
| 06:51.36 | Dewi | WormFood: (the way we are "invisible") |
| 06:51.38 | Droof | USA rocks |
| 06:51.41 | *** join/#debian mirco_ (~mirco@pd95b6029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:51.47 | Dewi | WormFood: or worse, secretly working for satan :) |
| 06:51.53 | WormFood | hahaha |
| 06:51.59 | *** join/#debian amoe (~amoe@cpc1-brig13-0-0-cust658.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 06:52.07 | WormFood | Droof, have you ever been to USA before? |
| 06:52.18 | Dewi | WormFood: I assume Droof has never left |
| 06:52.24 | Droof | right |
| 06:52.27 | Droof | the second one |
| 06:52.35 | WormFood | that is what one can assume, but, that is not always right |
| 06:52.36 | Dewi | only people who've never left repeat those mantras |
| 06:52.52 | Droof | USA rulez d00d |
| 06:52.53 | WormFood | yeah, so he speaks from experience, of never having see any other part of the world. |
| 06:53.06 | Droof | i need some help |
| 06:53.10 | Dewi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mCDZMWVWuc |
| 06:53.12 | Droof | with an open source project |
| 06:53.14 | WormFood | Droof, you can keep your USA. You need a LOT of help |
| 06:53.26 | Dewi | ^ Lewis Black dealing with this exact issue :) |
| 06:53.29 | WormFood | your USA is in self-destruct mode |
| 06:53.40 | Droof | your telling me WornFood |
| 06:53.46 | Dewi | oh god |
| 06:53.49 | WormFood | watch this....the penny and nickel have more value in their metal than in their face value |
| 06:54.07 | *** join/#debian MrOpposite (~mropposit@unaffiliated/mropposite) |
| 06:54.10 | Droof | wormfood your not telling me anything i dont know |
| 06:54.16 | WormFood | you can go to the bank, and get pennies, and melt them down, and sell the metal for more money than you paid for them |
| 06:54.18 | Droof | i was sort of joking |
| 06:54.28 | WormFood | even the new copper clad zinc pennies |
| 06:54.30 | Arrowmaster | except thats a federal crime |
| 06:54.33 | WormFood | well...not that new |
| 06:54.35 | *** join/#debian Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 06:54.43 | WormFood | Arrowmaster, only until just recently |
| 06:54.44 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: hasn't stopped people buying them up |
| 06:54.55 | WormFood | that has not been illegal for many years |
| 06:54.55 | mosno | Dewi: lewis black is great :) |
| 06:55.06 | WormFood | and don't say "defacing money", because that is bullshit. |
| 06:55.08 | Droof | there is one thing that makes me like america |
| 06:55.15 | Droof | its that im HOT and i was born here |
| 06:55.15 | WormFood | what is that Droof? |
| 06:55.19 | Droof | IM HOT |
| 06:55.20 | *** join/#debian sysroute (~null@wifi.sysroute.net) |
| 06:55.26 | Dewi | WormFood: really? I thought it still was, but that hasn't stopped people hoarding them waiting for a change or a loophole :) |
| 06:55.39 | WormFood | yeah. |
| 06:55.49 | WormFood | up until recently, there was no reason to melt coins |
| 06:55.56 | WormFood | they had more face value than metal value |
| 06:56.03 | Droof | if i went somewhere, and they saw me, they would want to go to america |
| 06:56.03 | *** join/#debian liable (~liable@unaffiliated/liable) |
| 06:56.08 | Droof | just to see more hot guys |
| 06:56.21 | WormFood | thinks Droof is delusional |
| 06:56.31 | Droof | no im just good looking ; D |
| 06:56.32 | Corey | SO! Back to /topic. |
| 06:56.34 | Arrowmaster | WormFood: the face value has been less than the cost to create them for a long time |
| 06:56.51 | WormFood | not that long Arrowmaster, only a few years |
| 06:56.56 | Droof | whats the topic |
| 06:57.10 | Droof | how COrey is a punk? |
| 06:57.10 | WormFood | yeah, as Corey says, or he'll ban us all ;) |
| 06:57.15 | *** join/#debian dgm_077 (~dgm_077@port-92-206-242-69.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 06:57.20 | *** join/#debian manio (~mariusz@87-206-100-87.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 06:57.27 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: that alone isn't enough to destabilize the currency, it's when the raw material value makes it worth *destroying* them that counts |
| 06:57.31 | Droof | lol i dont wanna get banned |
| 06:58.01 | Dewi | sorry Corey |
| 06:58.12 | *** join/#debian Parsifal (~steven@CPE-121-217-146-59.lnse2.cht.bigpond.net.au) |
| 06:58.13 | Droof | why are you sorry? |
| 06:58.39 | *** join/#debian desti_T2 (~desti@dslb-092-073-141-227.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:59.08 | *** join/#debian tron_ (~tron@74.115.214.201) |
| 06:59.15 | *** join/#debian redguy (~matik@unaffiliated/redguy) |
| 06:59.17 | Droof | tron sucks |
| 06:59.29 | tron_ | cool story |
| 06:59.32 | WormFood | my girlfriend sucks |
| 06:59.34 | WormFood | she is great! |
| 06:59.43 | Droof | hey now WormFood!! |
| 06:59.48 | Droof | dont get risque |
| 06:59.57 | stockholm | WormFood: my wife is great, she does not suck |
| 06:59.57 | *** join/#debian Zeit|awy (~wurscht@HSI-KBW-109-193-077-147.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 07:00.00 | WormFood | and swallows |
| 07:00.12 | *** join/#debian [XeN] (~xengi@46.115.19.243) |
| 07:00.18 | Droof | wormfood |
| 07:00.21 | WormFood | but she is gone for a week :( |
| 07:00.24 | Droof | what is this room about? |
| 07:00.30 | tron_ | i'm running openbox, and my menus etc are way too big when i change my resolution.. best way to fix this? |
| 07:00.38 | *** join/#debian omeddragon (~omeddrago@pool-71-178-234-18.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 07:00.41 | WormFood | what room? did I stumble into AOL again? |
| 07:00.43 | Droof | dont watch tron thats the best way |
| 07:00.56 | Droof | this room you |
| 07:01.06 | WormFood | oh...you mean channel |
| 07:01.19 | Droof | yea i do |
| 07:01.20 | WormFood | yeah, thats right, this is irc, and we're in channel #debian |
| 07:01.36 | Droof | tell me before i kick your ass with my American muscles |
| 07:01.47 | stockholm | oh, it goes downhill |
| 07:01.48 | WormFood | you had me all confused when you said "room"....I thought I stumbled into AOL again |
| 07:02.00 | Droof | ok now tell me |
| 07:02.00 | ElDiabolo | Uh, I just wanted to suggest aluminium coins. |
| 07:02.15 | WormFood | ElDiabolo, I have them. They get damaged easily |
| 07:02.17 | tron_ | who let the trolls out |
| 07:02.27 | Droof | dont ignore me wormd00d |
| 07:02.31 | WormFood | ElDiabolo, did you know the usa mint experimented with aluminum pennies? |
| 07:02.53 | Droof | wormfood now your pissing me off |
| 07:03.04 | Droof | what is this room about |
| 07:03.08 | ElDiabolo | WormFood, The DDR (german democratic republic) used them. |
| 07:03.09 | WormFood | pisses on Droof's head |
| 07:03.24 | Droof | slaps WormFood around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:03.25 | Zyferus | slaps Droof around a bit with WormFood |
| 07:03.25 | Zyferus | You don't like this script, don't use the generic troutslaps! Simple as that! |
| 07:03.32 | WormFood | ElDiabolo, I have some aluminum coins in USA. I forget what countries |
| 07:03.50 | Droof | wormfood if you dont answer me.................. |
| 07:03.56 | ElDiabolo | WormFood, Funny the USA actually considered that . |
| 07:04.07 | stockholm | can you please stop this? |
| 07:04.17 | tron_ | i'm running openbox, and my menus etc are way too big when i change my resolution.. best way to fix this? |
| 07:04.29 | WormFood | yes. I think all the test coins were destroyed, except for a few. I'd love to have one. |
| 07:04.53 | Droof | tron, im not answering you till you change your name |
| 07:05.13 | WormFood | tron_, I don't use openbox, but I'd expect there is some place to change your font size, even if it is a config file |
| 07:05.28 | WormFood | ok, I'm gonna get out of here and go back to work. See ya'll later åè§ |
| 07:05.39 | Dewi | tron_: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/7118/solved-dpi-in-openbox/ |
| 07:05.42 | Droof | see you you fuck head |
| 07:05.45 | Droof | i hate you |
| 07:05.57 | WormFood | Droof, ä½ æ¯ç¬¨è |
| 07:06.02 | Droof | fuck you wormfood |
| 07:06.04 | *** join/#debian soulchild (~eshat@dslb-092-073-190-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:06.05 | Droof | jap bitch |
| 07:06.07 | Dewi | tron_: few ideas there on setting OpenBox DPI. Crunchbang isn't debian, but it's a derivative so it might be close enough to apply |
| 07:06.12 | Droof | dont answer nobody |
| 07:06.52 | tron_ | Dewi: i will check it out, thanks |
| 07:07.24 | Dewi | Droof: please stop trolling. You can review the /topic at any time by typing /topic |
| 07:07.35 | Droof | thanks Dewi |
| 07:08.59 | *** join/#debian passwordoff (~pswrdf@93.191.16.254) |
| 07:09.05 | redguy | !php mysql_fetch_assoc |
| 07:09.07 | passwordoff | how to install kernel sources?> |
| 07:09.15 | Droof | this isnt popcorn, its computers |
| 07:09.25 | redguy | oops, wrong channel |
| 07:10.04 | *** join/#debian Yanch0 (~Matt@unaffiliated/yancho) |
| 07:11.52 | *** join/#debian Benkinooby (~Benkinoob@etx-public-dock-27-dhcp.ethz.ch) |
| 07:11.52 | *** join/#debian Benkinooby (~Benkinoob@unaffiliated/benkinooby) |
| 07:12.47 | passwordoff | sudo aptitude install kernel-source-2.6.38-2-686 shows not found |
| 07:13.49 | *** join/#debian bn` (~Patrick@178-26-185-176-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 07:13.55 | *** join/#debian bn` (~Patrick@unaffiliated/bn/x-6686386) |
| 07:14.12 | *** join/#debian ma3x (~ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 07:15.41 | *** join/#debian zorg1 (~zorg1@peniche.pck.nerim.net) |
| 07:15.41 | Arrowmaster | passwordoff: linux-source-2.6.38 |
| 07:16.27 | *** join/#debian B|ackbird (tanta@unaffiliated/backbird/x-3237639) |
| 07:18.09 | *** join/#debian armetiz (~thomas@bri69-1-82-231-125-242.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:20.28 | *** join/#debian acemi (~acemi@unaffiliated/acemi) |
| 07:22.57 | Droof | then i park my car, then i fuck your bitch, wet like wonton soup, thats just how i do |
| 07:23.10 | *** join/#debian jonpacker (~contact@60-241-37-77.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 07:23.20 | *** join/#debian shinnok (~shinnok@unaffiliated/shinnok) |
| 07:24.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o Corey] by ChanServ |
| 07:24.00 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@cpe-066-056-155-022.sc.res.rr.com] by Corey |
| 07:24.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o Corey] by Corey |
| 07:24.04 | Corey | That'll do. |
| 07:24.27 | *** join/#debian Buumi (~quassel@q212.ip2.netikka.fi) |
| 07:24.33 | xk | heh |
| 07:24.50 | *** join/#debian linis (~hisam@117.241.56.22) |
| 07:24.57 | *** join/#debian larsivi (~quassel@188.113.74.106) |
| 07:27.35 | *** join/#debian eSa| (~esa@host106-232-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:27.55 | *** join/#debian mahmood-RM (~mahmood-R@205.204.65.221) |
| 07:28.55 | *** join/#debian mahmood-RM (~mahmood-R@205.204.65.221) |
| 07:29.15 | *** join/#debian guardian (~guardian@nantes.visionobjects.com) |
| 07:30.32 | *** join/#debian patterson (patterson@c-24-4-180-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:31.47 | *** join/#debian _stefanos_ (~quassel@interlim-adsl-t9.logos.cy.net) |
| 07:32.16 | *** join/#debian hhhhh_hhhh (tanta@175.144.115.128) |
| 07:32.46 | *** join/#debian blackshirt (~paijo@203.78.122.21) |
| 07:33.22 | *** join/#debian waka (~waka@unaffiliated/waka) |
| 07:34.02 | *** mode/#debian [+o Corey] by ChanServ |
| 07:34.02 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@cpe-066-056-155-022.sc.res.rr.com] by Corey |
| 07:34.02 | *** mode/#debian [-o Corey] by Corey |
| 07:34.10 | *** join/#debian Dbug (~Dbug@unaffiliated/dbug) |
| 07:34.13 | *** join/#debian Azrael_-| (~awef@p4FFF54F7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:34.42 | *** join/#debian fti (~nnscript@213.164.69.193) |
| 07:35.05 | *** join/#debian MoDaX (~ith@lan-84-240-22-131.vln.skynet.lt) |
| 07:35.58 | *** join/#debian ronny (~ronny@pida/ronny) |
| 07:38.28 | *** join/#debian Myztik (~Myztik@90-231-233-158-no109.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 07:40.43 | *** join/#debian err404 (~err404@2a01:e35:8a1c:7b20:214:85ff:fe32:af1d) |
| 07:41.04 | *** join/#debian cornelinux (~koelbel@dslb-188-107-041-138.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:41.49 | *** join/#debian jazz (~Adium@hyperion.ups-tlse.fr) |
| 07:42.26 | *** part/#debian jazz (~Adium@hyperion.ups-tlse.fr) |
| 07:42.45 | *** join/#debian Cyanure (~Cyanure@81-65-195-65.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 07:43.07 | *** join/#debian SgrA (~SgrA@unaffiliated/sgra) |
| 07:43.12 | *** join/#debian proller (~proller@2a02:6b8:0:402:44bc:c7ef:f9af:1470) |
| 07:44.57 | micols | how insane, seems bluetooth requires dbus in debian to work |
| 07:45.00 | *** join/#debian Worf (~worf@84.119.83.173) |
| 07:45.11 | micols | else it will not start, probably have to recompile the bluetooth daemon |
| 07:45.52 | *** part/#debian sonney2k (~shogun@87.118.92.43) |
| 07:46.14 | *** join/#debian dc5ala (~dc5ala@stgt-4d038089.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 07:47.51 | *** join/#debian jargon- (~dayo@unaffiliated/jargon-) |
| 07:47.58 | *** join/#debian _Christophe_ (~Christoph@nla58-1-82-244-8-243.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:48.41 | *** join/#debian T-One (~T-One@194.183.141.242) |
| 07:49.10 | *** join/#debian Pobega (~yaaic@student-213-122.sunyit.edu) |
| 07:49.11 | *** join/#debian Yu\2 (~Yu@2001:638:504:f19b:213:77ff:feb6:afb0) |
| 07:49.20 | *** join/#debian jaytaph (~jaytaph@83.232.96.217) |
| 07:50.18 | *** join/#debian geckoclown (~debianjok@85.91.95.244) |
| 07:50.40 | *** join/#debian Zyferus (~zyferus@c-67-162-184-242.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 07:50.44 | *** join/#debian fisted (~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 07:51.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1016] by debhelper |
| 07:51.08 | *** join/#debian gratidude (~gratidude@155.69.152.40) |
| 07:51.23 | *** join/#debian Xilent (~quassel@pdpc/supporter/active/xilent) |
| 07:51.42 | *** join/#debian ethanol (~rob@unaffiliated/alcohol) |
| 07:51.42 | *** join/#debian Smiley (~Smiley@last.fm/resident-dj/Smiley) |
| 07:52.48 | *** join/#debian vaasu (3bbfcaea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.191.202.234) |
| 07:53.20 | *** part/#debian passwordoff (~pswrdf@93.191.16.254) |
| 07:54.05 | *** join/#debian D-HUND (~ich@p5B105739.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:55.10 | *** join/#debian manio (~mariusz@87-206-100-87.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 07:55.23 | *** join/#debian omeddragon (~omeddrago@pool-71-178-234-18.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 07:55.32 | *** join/#debian Auron (~auron@61.152.132.103) |
| 07:56.25 | *** join/#debian Azrael_- (~awef@p4FFF5E06.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:56.37 | ethanol | morning |
| 07:57.44 | *** join/#debian hlusiasa (~hlusiasa@2001:7c0:1900:11:200:5efe:8d45:319e) |
| 07:57.48 | *** join/#debian Bus3rr0r (~Bus3rr0r@118.sub-174-252-36.myvzw.com) |
| 07:58.56 | *** join/#debian gratidude (~gratidude@155.69.152.40) |
| 07:59.03 | *** join/#debian bigbrovar (~quassel@83.229.6.19) |
| 07:59.08 | blackshirt | ethanol: morning ?? |
| 07:59.15 | blackshirt | wow |
| 08:00.47 | ethanol | yes, morning |
| 08:01.03 | *** join/#debian shefxu (~fabula@ppp-245-133.98-62.inwind.it) |
| 08:02.01 | *** join/#debian buscon (~buscon@e179065062.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 08:02.18 | *** join/#debian lollo64it (~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it) |
| 08:02.34 | *** join/#debian Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 08:03.35 | blackshirt | ethanol: where do you come from ?? i'm from indonesia |
| 08:04.33 | *** join/#debian SgrA (~SgrA@unaffiliated/sgra) |
| 08:04.42 | ethanol | blackshirt: the netherlands |
| 08:05.07 | *** join/#debian Morten_ (~morten@fw2.nbi.dk) |
| 08:05.14 | blackshirt | ethanol: ohh.. |
| 08:06.15 | *** join/#debian bixgomez (~bixgomez@c-24-16-37-138.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 08:07.40 | *** join/#debian starenka__ (~starenka@m229.dkm.cz) |
| 08:10.52 | *** join/#debian puddingpimp (~dave@118-92-28-214.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 08:10.59 | *** join/#debian daemonkeeper (~Arno@unaffiliated/metalfoo) |
| 08:11.10 | puddingpimp | Does anyone know where I can download the Lenny installation CD? |
| 08:11.26 | *** join/#debian marienjoanny (~marienjoa@78.125.180.169) |
| 08:11.38 | *** join/#debian Dbug (~Dbug@unaffiliated/dbug) |
| 08:11.40 | puddingpimp | it no longer shows up on the ISO image mirrors (or master) |
| 08:11.53 | blackshirt | puddingpimp: on older archives ?? |
| 08:12.12 | nevyn | is there a way to test if sudo is currently authenticated and working without prompting for a password? |
| 08:12.48 | puddingpimp | blackshirt, link? |
| 08:12.54 | *** join/#debian ronny (~ronny@pida/ronny) |
| 08:13.05 | *** join/#debian xiangfu (~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com) |
| 08:13.17 | *** join/#debian fti (~nnscript@213.164.69.193) |
| 08:13.24 | puddingpimp | oh found it |
| 08:13.26 | puddingpimp | thanks |
| 08:14.02 | flamingspinach | My monitor turns off when I don't move the mouse or type anything for a while. What controls this? How can I turn it off? |
| 08:14.09 | flamingspinach | (turn off this behavior, I mean) |
| 08:14.26 | *** join/#debian hkof11 (~chatzilla@2001:da8:207:5230:61e3:b123:bd14:885a) |
| 08:15.06 | flamingspinach | (I'm not using any desktop environment, just xorg and xmonad) |
| 08:15.20 | *** join/#debian dekar (~dekar@95.143.165.210) |
| 08:15.25 | puddingpimp | hmm, lenny isn't on archive |
| 08:15.52 | *** join/#debian K1ng (~KING@204.45.132.6) |
| 08:16.36 | ectospasm | flamingspinach: check to see if a power manager is running |
| 08:16.46 | ectospasm | flamingspinach: ...like gnome-power-manager |
| 08:17.02 | *** join/#debian ailo (~ailo.at@90-230-166-102-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 08:17.03 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 08:17.18 | flamingspinach | ectospasm: not as a process, in any case... |
| 08:17.40 | nevyn | flamingspinach: X11 screen blanking http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html |
| 08:17.41 | flamingspinach | and dpkg tells me gnome-power-manager is not installed |
| 08:17.58 | flamingspinach | nevyn: thanks |
| 08:18.26 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (~ED@unaffiliated/charminthemoose) |
| 08:18.47 | *** join/#debian jatt (~user@85.115.3.118) |
| 08:19.47 | nevyn | flamingspinach: actually this is what you want: http://www.doctort.org/adam/nerd-notes/disabling-screen-blanking-in-xorg.html |
| 08:19.48 | *** join/#debian mfladischer (~fladische@2001:470:1f0b:11df:22:19ff:fe1c:6b47) |
| 08:19.56 | *** join/#debian wobblyonionshome (~chris@CPE-58-160-58-125.mxmn2.ken.bigpond.net.au) |
| 08:20.13 | ectospasm | lemme guess, turn off dpms in xorg.conf? |
| 08:20.45 | flamingspinach | "PS. I could have used the âNODPMSâ option but this way leaves it open in future to set some screen blanking timeouts if I so desire." |
| 08:20.47 | flamingspinach | wrong :) |
| 08:21.00 | *** join/#debian Cyanure (~Cyanure@2001:660:330f:cc:224:e8ff:fe92:fd7b) |
| 08:21.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1023] by debhelper |
| 08:21.11 | nevyn | ectospasm: yeah |
| 08:21.23 | flamingspinach | well, I use xorg's autodetection instead of xorg.conf so that won't work - I guess the earlier link is more useful, I can just put an xset line in my ~/.xsession |
| 08:21.27 | *** join/#debian mfladischer (~fladische@2001:470:1f0b:11df:22:19ff:fe1c:6b47) |
| 08:21.40 | *** join/#debian verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) |
| 08:22.01 | *** join/#debian etank (~etank@twil/staff/etank) |
| 08:22.02 | flamingspinach | (and no, `X -configure` doesn't work, oddly enough) |
| 08:22.30 | *** join/#debian dawud (~dawud@161.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 08:23.27 | flamingspinach | oh, the last comment on the second page you linked seems useful |
| 08:24.32 | *** join/#debian jazz (~Adium@hyperion.ups-tlse.fr) |
| 08:25.18 | *** join/#debian Roma_39m (~mirc@93-40-139-141.ip39.fastwebnet.it) |
| 08:25.22 | *** join/#debian ronny (~ronny@pida/ronny) |
| 08:25.37 | *** join/#debian gosi (~gosi@fw.office-fra1.proio.com) |
| 08:25.58 | *** join/#debian mahmood-RM (~mahmood-R@205.204.65.221) |
| 08:26.17 | *** join/#debian eshat (~eshat@2001:638:504:c018:226:2dff:fef6:1d80) |
| 08:26.17 | *** join/#debian RobinJ (~Robin@unaffiliated/robinj) |
| 08:26.56 | *** join/#debian Roma_39m (~mirc@93-40-139-141.ip39.fastwebnet.it) |
| 08:27.12 | *** join/#debian lusotux (~rmoreira@bl23-7-195.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 08:29.15 | *** join/#debian gnaruag (~gnaruag@122.177.44.28) |
| 08:29.51 | *** part/#debian vaasu (3bbfcaea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.191.202.234) |
| 08:31.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1034] by debhelper |
| 08:31.11 | puddingpimp | this is shit, archive only goes up to version 4.0, and 5.0.x has already been nuked off cdimage |
| 08:31.24 | *** join/#debian Tom01 (~tom@p5DDFC78C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:31.39 | *** join/#debian ike (ike@szluug.org) |
| 08:31.45 | *** join/#debian at_11691 (taodp@85.17.231.147) |
| 08:31.57 | *** join/#debian tvm (~tvm@85.93.121.30) |
| 08:32.13 | *** join/#debian e-anima (~eanima@p5DF5F0E8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:32.40 | *** join/#debian bea (~andreas@psy042.psych.meduniwien.ac.at) |
| 08:34.34 | *** join/#debian K1ng\ (~KING@204.45.132.6) |
| 08:34.37 | xk | puddingpimp: file a bug |
| 08:35.13 | sep | puddingpimp, look in your closest mirror (replace no with your countrycode) ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/ |
| 08:35.27 | *** join/#debian codespectator (~jamesmacl@82.152.213.138) |
| 08:35.30 | sep | and follow the installer-$ARCH |
| 08:36.02 | *** join/#debian qiyong (~qiyong@60.23.248.89) |
| 08:36.03 | qiyong | how to get the running process number? |
| 08:36.15 | *** join/#debian remoteCTRL1 (~kschinki@perseus.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 08:36.20 | ectospasm | qiyong: pidof |
| 08:36.35 | ectospasm | qiyong: or examine the output of ps |
| 08:36.58 | ectospasm | qiyong: such as "ps -ef" or "ps aux" |
| 08:36.59 | qiyong | how to get the total running process number? |
| 08:37.10 | ectospasm | qiyong: ps -ef | wc -l |
| 08:37.23 | ectospasm | that might include a header |
| 08:37.27 | qiyong | no any direct way? |
| 08:37.38 | ectospasm | qiyong: what do you mean "direct" ? |
| 08:37.49 | ectospasm | qiyong: there are many ways to get it, including ps and top |
| 08:37.53 | qiyong | read the number directly, not by counting |
| 08:38.12 | ectospasm | what's wrong with counting? |
| 08:38.34 | qiyong | slow |
| 08:38.36 | puddingpimp | sep, well I found the mini.iso in netinst, it will do for my purposes, but the jigdo and iso files are gone, I'll file a bug |
| 08:38.52 | *** join/#debian K1ng (~KING@204.45.132.6) |
| 08:38.52 | xk | the huge isos arent needed |
| 08:39.00 | xk | businesscd or minicd is enough |
| 08:39.16 | Arrowmaster | not for installing an old release |
| 08:39.22 | ectospasm | qiyong: ps -ef | wc -l is fast for me... |
| 08:39.54 | ectospasm | granted, I only have 291 processes |
| 08:40.01 | sep | still the jigdo's can't hurt to save. they are not that huge ? |
| 08:40.27 | *** join/#debian ayambit (~chatzilla@dev-174.nic.ru) |
| 08:40.44 | puddingpimp | I don't mind not having the isos, but it does seem link the jigdos should be preserved |
| 08:41.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1040] by debhelper |
| 08:42.34 | fishsponge | hey people - how long will the lenny repos be online for? and are any updates still being put in there? |
| 08:43.30 | ayambit | is there a way to bring mirror selection menu which shows up during installation after installation is complete? |
| 08:43.34 | fishsponge | also, what is the "volatile" apt source? is that cutting-edge, very latest, nightly-build kinda stuff? |
| 08:43.38 | *** join/#debian haso (~haso@17.79-161-33.customer.lyse.net) |
| 08:43.47 | ethanol | qiyong: not sure what the numbers represent; but try ''cat /proc/stat'' ? |
| 08:43.53 | ayambit | or only way is to manually modify /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 08:45.12 | *** join/#debian efaydian (~efaydian@d13035.upc-d.chello.nl) |
| 08:46.48 | *** join/#debian bofur (~bofur@85.223.26.74) |
| 08:47.05 | *** join/#debian igorssh (~igorssh@b122.csc.lv) |
| 08:47.10 | igorssh | hello to everyone |
| 08:47.35 | igorssh | how to make a repository update with apt-get? |
| 08:47.46 | ectospasm | igorssh: apt-get update |
| 08:47.59 | ectospasm | igorssh: I prefer aptitude myself |
| 08:48.32 | *** join/#debian sini (~sini@forall.me) |
| 08:48.57 | *** join/#debian achadwick (~achadwick@nat-alpha.ceu.ox.ac.uk) |
| 08:49.28 | *** join/#debian linis (~hisam@117.241.56.65) |
| 08:49.45 | igorssh | ectospasm it will updates my application list that i can install? |
| 08:49.56 | igorssh | not the installed packeges on the system? |
| 08:52.03 | *** join/#debian Tom01 (~tom@p5DDFFA1D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:54.35 | ectospasm | igorssh: it will update the package list of what you can install |
| 08:54.49 | ectospasm | igorssh: apt-get update does not actually update any packages on your system |
| 08:56.02 | *** join/#debian AbsintheSyringe (~havoc@SE400.PPPoE-3206.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 08:58.19 | *** join/#debian bint (bint@cable-static-220-208.intergga.ch) |
| 08:59.10 | *** join/#debian SpitfireWP (~Spitfire@cpc17-aztw23-2-0-cust59.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 08:59.20 | *** join/#debian SpitfireWP (~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire) |
| 08:59.20 | Ox1 | What's the best way to get rid of ^M's from mutt's internal pager? |
| 08:59.23 | *** join/#debian dieg (~diego@77.210.144.234) |
| 09:02.16 | *** join/#debian jodeba (~debel@hide05.efif.dk) |
| 09:03.43 | *** join/#debian McMAGIC--Copy (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy) |
| 09:03.55 | *** join/#debian Ex-Opesa (~Ex-Opesa@2.49.205.171) |
| 09:06.27 | *** join/#debian ailo (~ailo.at@90-230-166-102-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 09:06.34 | *** join/#debian B|ackbird (tanta@175.144.115.128) |
| 09:06.41 | *** join/#debian coolmadmax (~cool_code@client-203-166-108-60.net2000.com.au) |
| 09:08.02 | *** join/#debian haso (~haso@17.79-161-33.customer.lyse.net) |
| 09:08.12 | igorssh | ectospasm thanks for help ) |
| 09:08.16 | *** join/#debian Bird|ghosted (~kb1rd@unaffiliated/htt-bird) |
| 09:10.54 | *** join/#debian peppe (~peppe@unaffiliated/peppe) |
| 09:11.11 | *** join/#debian satellit_ (~satellit@208-100-148-220.bendbroadband.com) |
| 09:11.14 | RichiH | does 2.6.32 support TRIM for ext4? |
| 09:11.21 | RichiH | needs to install stable on a ssd |
| 09:11.32 | *** join/#debian jalalsfs (~jalal@unaffiliated/jalalsfs) |
| 09:11.52 | daemonkeeper | TRIM support is in 2.6.33, you can still install on a SSD though |
| 09:12.11 | *** part/#debian jalalsfs (~jalal@unaffiliated/jalalsfs) |
| 09:12.52 | RichiH | daemonkeeper: ah, bleh |
| 09:12.59 | RichiH | ponders installing 2.6.38 then |
| 09:13.32 | xk | likes using /me |
| 09:13.35 | RichiH | which would mean that i could just use xfs and not ext4. too |
| 09:14.00 | daemonkeeper | Looks like Debian backported TRIM to 2.6.32 |
| 09:14.01 | RichiH | xk: hail, person who has been on openprojects as long as me |
| 09:14.02 | RichiH | ltns |
| 09:14.24 | xk | is there any disadvantage in using ext2? :) |
| 09:14.26 | daemonkeeper | See 2.6.32-12 |
| 09:14.36 | xk | because I know journalling _kills_ performance. |
| 09:14.48 | daemonkeeper | xk: You really want a journal file |
| 09:14.49 | RichiH | data security > speed |
| 09:14.53 | xk | daemonkeeper: why? |
| 09:14.56 | daemonkeeper | See RichiH |
| 09:15.04 | xk | how can it be data security if meta data is journalled by default |
| 09:15.10 | RichiH | matter of fact, i am installing a new system with nexenta today just for zfs |
| 09:15.11 | xk | but not actual data |
| 09:15.17 | xk | and even if you lose power |
| 09:15.20 | daemonkeeper | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system |
| 09:15.34 | linis | i cant see my wordpress folder on my linode, but i can vist the blog.And my gmail apps verification file is being led to "file does not exist" in a theme of that blog. |
| 09:15.35 | RichiH | xk: xfs handles power outages more gracefully than ext3 |
| 09:15.36 | daemonkeeper | RichiH: You could use Debian kfreebsd |
| 09:15.40 | xk | it means you lose between between 0-5 seconds of data anyway, even with data journalling enabled. |
| 09:15.56 | RichiH | daemonkeeper: i could also stab myself in the face with a forklift |
| 09:16.02 | xk | if you want to guarantee data, BBWC is the only option. |
| 09:16.10 | RichiH | daemonkeeper: but seriously, nexenta has a debian userspace and the better kernel for zfs |
| 09:16.20 | daemonkeeper | RichiH: Its Ubuntu, not Debian. |
| 09:16.27 | RichiH | daemonkeeper: eww? |
| 09:16.46 | daemonkeeper | Based (still) on Hardy |
| 09:16.56 | daemonkeeper | Kernel is from OpenSolaris/Illumos |
| 09:17.48 | *** join/#debian siya (~djerk@cust9-dsl91-135-5.idnet.net) |
| 09:18.16 | RichiH | is _not_ a happy person, atm |
| 09:18.30 | Bird|ghosted | anything I should know before doing squeeze->wheezy on a live machine? (this laptop in particular) |
| 09:18.55 | *** join/#debian zyga (~zyga@linaro/zyga) |
| 09:19.11 | daemonkeeper | Bird|ghosted: You mean besides the usual "don't do it"? |
| 09:19.14 | RichiH | has private hardware valued at ~1500 euro sitting here and finds out he was about to install ubuntu on it |
| 09:19.15 | dieg | I'll install Debian in a Macbook Air 11.6 later this day... unstable, ext4 and 2.6.38 will be there... |
| 09:19.19 | RichiH | *shudder* |
| 09:19.31 | dieg | ... tomorrow I'll come back here crying for help |
| 09:19.53 | Bird|ghosted | daemonkeeper, this box is meant to stay synced to testing |
| 09:20.21 | dieg | RichiH: don't do it... if you install Ubuntu you're going to hell |
| 09:20.35 | *** join/#debian Fyrespray^ (~Mark@78.32.255.161) |
| 09:20.36 | Bird|ghosted | it provides a semi-OK balance between sid breaking everything and stable being too old to be useful |
| 09:20.54 | daemonkeeper | Bird|ghosted: If you know what you're doing, go on |
| 09:20.59 | *** join/#debian buntfalke (~nobody@unaffiliated/buntfalke) |
| 09:21.36 | Bird|ghosted | as I grasp it, I need to s/squeeze/wheezy/g my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:21.41 | *** join/#debian Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc8-reig4-2-0-cust24.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 09:21.45 | *** join/#debian haso (~haso@17.79-161-33.customer.lyse.net) |
| 09:21.46 | Bird|ghosted | aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 09:21.54 | Bird|ghosted | sound about right? |
| 09:22.14 | *** join/#debian crilly (~Y0momma@unaffiliated/crilly) |
| 09:22.29 | RichiH | Bird|ghosted: yes |
| 09:22.39 | MeglaW | meglaw@meglaw:~$ cat apt.sh |
| 09:22.39 | MeglaW | sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade -y; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y; sudo apt-get autoremove -y; sudo apt-get autoclean; sudo apt-get clean |
| 09:22.40 | RichiH | though i would s/squeeze/testing/ |
| 09:22.42 | MeglaW | meglaw@meglaw:~$ |
| 09:22.44 | *** join/#debian xiangfu_ (~xiangfu@114.247.10.81) |
| 09:22.46 | MeglaW | thats what i do every time |
| 09:22.48 | MeglaW | works nice. :) |
| 09:22.58 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: squeeze->wheeezy |
| 09:22.59 | dpkg | daemonkeeper: i don't know |
| 09:23.05 | RichiH | MeglaW: autoclean and then clean makes no sense at all |
| 09:23.15 | RichiH | also, you want &&, not ; |
| 09:23.21 | daemonkeeper | Dumb > issue |
| 09:23.33 | MeglaW | RichiH: why and why |
| 09:23.50 | RichiH | MeglaW: clean deletes everything. autoclean deletes outdated stuff |
| 09:23.57 | crilly | Is there a way of listing all of the running services on a Debian box? I had to manually shutdown each process accessing /var so that I could 'dd' a disk over the network. I was wondering if I could get a list of them easily so I can loop through and auto stop them. |
| 09:23.58 | MeglaW | && does not make sudo timeout, i like that. |
| 09:23.59 | uoods | && only execute the later if the former succeeded |
| 09:24.01 | ravenbird | Error: I tried to send you an empty message. |
| 09:24.02 | ravenbird | Error: I tried to send you an empty message. |
| 09:24.04 | RichiH | and if you don't know why && and not ; you have larger issues ;) |
| 09:24.07 | Bhavicp | Hi all, is it at all possible to recover a partition getting "e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open " |
| 09:24.17 | RichiH | crilly: lsof |
| 09:24.19 | Bhavicp | (I've tried all the backup superblocks) |
| 09:24.28 | *** join/#debian jonpacker (~contact@60-241-39-19.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 09:24.29 | crilly | RichiH: Yeah I tried that; it wasn't very successful. |
| 09:24.29 | MeglaW | RichiH: well sometimes clean does stuff after autoclean so. |
| 09:24.36 | MeglaW | why not run them both |
| 09:24.40 | *** join/#debian Fyrespray (~Mark@78.32.255.161) |
| 09:24.44 | RichiH | fwiw, i am against using sudo for actual system work |
| 09:25.04 | RichiH | crilly: you should be... |
| 09:25.11 | crilly | RichiH: I did something like "for proc in `lsof -n | grep /var | awk '{print $1}'`; do /etc/init.d/$proc stop; done" or something |
| 09:25.13 | *** join/#debian S4RY (~Sa@unaffiliated/sary) |
| 09:25.16 | RichiH | MeglaW: then don't run autoclean and just clean |
| 09:25.30 | RichiH | crilly: lsof | grep /var |
| 09:25.31 | *** join/#debian xiangfu_ (~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com) |
| 09:25.40 | obiwahn | RichiH: why? |
| 09:25.40 | RichiH | and take it from there |
| 09:25.47 | RichiH | obiwahn: why waht |
| 09:25.49 | crilly | RichiH: You're not reading what I'm saying, are you? |
| 09:25.56 | obiwahn | < RichiH> fwiw, i am against using sudo for actual system work |
| 09:25.59 | *** join/#debian svg (~svg@antares.ginsys.net) |
| 09:26.05 | MeglaW | RichiH: i used to do that, and then a big pile of stuff autoclean got rid of built up that clean could not |
| 09:26.09 | RichiH | crilly: i am. and what i told you will get you there |
| 09:26.11 | MeglaW | so thats why i run them both |
| 09:26.35 | crilly | RichiH: You're not. I said I've done that and then provided you with a quick bash script that did it. It didn't work as expected. |
| 09:26.44 | RichiH | obiwahn: because it basically makes su actions like normal user actions as people allow * anyway. i prefer to actively switch to root, have my shell change, etc |
| 09:27.02 | *** join/#debian michaelis (~michael@62.182.223.134) |
| 09:27.14 | RichiH | that keeps histories cleanly apart, makes sure you _know_ you are doing stuff as root and ensures no user script simply does stuff as root |
| 09:27.18 | niklaswe | does someone know any good entrpoy daemon ? |
| 09:27.32 | michaelis | Hi. How do I switch to console in debian? The Ctrl+Alt+Fx key combination isn't working. |
| 09:27.51 | *** join/#debian mastroWork (~Daniele@85-18-52-10.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 09:27.54 | RichiH | crilly: if lsof comes up empty, mount -o remount,ro /var should work |
| 09:27.58 | obiwahn | i have started using su allowing my normal user some commands with set parameters:) thats kinda nice:) |
| 09:27.58 | crilly | michaelis: Try Alt + Arrow-key |
| 09:28.15 | obiwahn | but wor work i perver to log in another tty aswell |
| 09:28.17 | crilly | RichiH: I'm trying to make sure nothing is accessing /var so that I can umount it. |
| 09:28.20 | Bhavicp | Hi all, is it at all possible to recover a partition getting "e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mapper/home-home" |
| 09:28.27 | *** join/#debian Fyrespray^ (~Mark@78.32.255.161) |
| 09:28.34 | RichiH | obiwahn: yes. i allow one tunneling script via sudo and without password |
| 09:28.36 | obiwahn | wish nvidia driver would support kms ... |
| 09:28.39 | RichiH | as that's convenient |
| 09:28.52 | RichiH | but using sudo for * means you are doing things wrong |
| 09:28.53 | RichiH | imo |
| 09:29.00 | michaelis | crilly: No luck. I'm running debian in vmware. Could this mess things up? |
| 09:29.01 | Raptors | Hey guys make-kgkg is confusing me |
| 09:29.02 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell obiwahn about nvidia dkms |
| 09:29.04 | jelly | michaelis: try "chvt NUMBER" as root |
| 09:29.07 | Raptors | where does it put the .deb file? |
| 09:29.12 | Raptors | dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.39-rc3' in `../linux-image-2.6.39-rc3_2.6.39-rc3-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb'. |
| 09:29.19 | crilly | michaelis: Possibly, but I'm not sure. What screen ar you on? |
| 09:29.32 | Raptors | its not in the linux-2.6.39-rc3 folder |
| 09:29.37 | michaelis | jelly: chvt: VT_ACTIVATE: No such device or address |
| 09:29.40 | Raptors | and its not in /usr/src/ |
| 09:29.59 | michaelis | crilly: Please explain what you mean with screen? |
| 09:31.48 | jelly | michaelis: I imagine that would happen if that vt didn't exist |
| 09:32.50 | *** part/#debian qiyong (~qiyong@60.23.248.89) |
| 09:33.09 | jelly | Raptors: are you positive it's not in the parent directory of your build tree? |
| 09:33.17 | Raptors | ye |
| 09:33.18 | Raptors | yes |
| 09:33.41 | *** join/#debian Ergo^ (~ergo@hyp-p-107.pabianice.msk.pl) |
| 09:34.01 | *** join/#debian defpon (~foo@p4FF140E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:34.10 | *** join/#debian RoozbehOnline (~rosha@91.99.236.193) |
| 09:34.14 | Raptors | jelly, is it suppose to be there? |
| 09:34.18 | Raptors | is it deleting it? |
| 09:35.03 | Bhavicp | Hi all, is it at all possible to recover a partition getting "e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mapper/home-home" |
| 09:35.30 | *** join/#debian killbillkill (~bill@adsl-74.109.242.170.tellas.gr) |
| 09:35.45 | defpon | hi, any ideas how I can set the mail header in postfix? I need Content-Type: text/plain;charset="utf-8" |
| 09:36.21 | *** join/#debian Fyrespray (~Mark@78.32.255.161) |
| 09:37.31 | *** join/#debian hkof11 (~hk@2001:da8:207:e147:222:68ff:fe13:6301) |
| 09:37.37 | *** join/#debian SQlvpapir (~teis@188.177.95.62) |
| 09:37.41 | obiwahn | daemonkeeper: yes? |
| 09:37.47 | jelly | defpon: don't. Set it in your mail software. |
| 09:37.54 | daemonkeeper | obiwahn: dpkg never lies! |
| 09:38.00 | obiwahn | where is the link to Kernel Mode Settings? |
| 09:38.04 | jelly | mail client software, that it. |
| 09:38.21 | jelly | obiwahn: perhaps /msg dpkg kms |
| 09:38.24 | Bhavicp | Hi, is it at all possible to recover a partition getting "e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mapper/home-home" |
| 09:38.48 | obiwahn | i guess your a bit clueless:) |
| 09:38.48 | daemonkeeper | obiwahn: Oh, sorry, wasn't reading attentively |
| 09:38.59 | *** join/#debian solexx (~jrschulz@e176102123.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 09:38.59 | jelly | Bhavicp: there's not enough data for a meaningful answer. It depends on what's been done to that LV. |
| 09:39.04 | daemonkeeper | obiwahn: read DKMS ;) |
| 09:39.30 | igorssh | does somebody uses backup-manager on debian? |
| 09:39.36 | Bhavicp | jelly: Well, i managed to get the LV restored. I basially made a backup on that LV (it's a whole disk) and replaced ANOTHER disk and reinstalled windows. |
| 09:39.42 | *** join/#debian crazy2k (~pablo@unaffiliated/crazy2k) |
| 09:39.54 | *** join/#debian mohamed-ragab (~mohamed@41.232.105.170) |
| 09:39.59 | Bhavicp | After that, the LV wouldn't start. I finally managed to get it to "restore". But now it won't mount. |
| 09:40.20 | Bhavicp | uh not windows, reinstalled Debian* |
| 09:40.21 | jelly | hm. whole disk could be a PV, not a LV |
| 09:40.29 | obiwahn | daemonkeeper: sorry - that was not nice - please don't be offended. lets keep the peace:) |
| 09:40.31 | Bhavicp | It was a LV since i put data on it though. |
| 09:40.41 | Raptors | I found it |
| 09:40.41 | crazy2k | Hi. I have installed pure-ftpd on a Debian machine. It seems pure-ftpd is configured through paremeters to the daemon only. How can I tweak what parameters are passed to the daemon on startup? |
| 09:40.56 | *** join/#debian derchris (~derchris@78-86-128-162.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 09:40.57 | Raptors | it gets saved in 1 folder up of whatever the root is :/ |
| 09:41.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1047] by debhelper |
| 09:41.19 | jelly | Bhavicp: wishing it become a LV doesn't make it so; I think I don't understand what you did |
| 09:41.45 | Bhavicp | hm, well i didn't do anything to damage the data i don't think. |
| 09:41.49 | daemonkeeper | obiwahn: I was not at all |
| 09:42.05 | *** join/#debian haso (~haso@17.79-161-33.customer.lyse.net) |
| 09:42.08 | Bhavicp | Ie i haven't formatted it or anything like that. Is there any simple way to "restore" the superblock? |
| 09:42.10 | *** join/#debian Myztik (Myztik@93.182.185.103) |
| 09:42.14 | Bhavicp | (it was ext3) |
| 09:42.18 | jelly | Bhavicp: questions: how did you make the backup? what do "vgs" and "lvs" show at present time? how did you restore? |
| 09:42.32 | jelly | !paste |
| 09:42.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:43.03 | *** join/#debian Iridos (~boo@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 09:43.16 | Bhavicp | vgs and lvs are what they were before when it was working. Ie home home -wi-ao 1.82t |
| 09:43.47 | Bhavicp | i used vgs/pvrestore to restore it |
| 09:44.04 | Bhavicp | no datas been touched/formatted. |
| 09:44.21 | Bhavicp | I just need the one big folder thats on there. |
| 09:44.41 | *** join/#debian hell_razer (~HellRaise@243-81-200-46.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 09:44.47 | *** part/#debian defpon (~foo@p4FF140E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:45.09 | *** join/#debian c0urier (~c0urier@c-89-233-201-92.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 09:45.33 | Bhavicp | Anyway at all to recover it |
| 09:45.38 | jelly | ok, so by backup and restore you only mean LVM metadata. |
| 09:45.43 | *** part/#debian hkof11 (~hk@2001:da8:207:e147:222:68ff:fe13:6301) |
| 09:46.13 | Bhavicp | yea |
| 09:46.22 | Bhavicp | sorry :) |
| 09:46.30 | *** join/#debian ah_kevin (ah_kevin@114.96.26.73) |
| 09:46.32 | *** join/#debian Fyrespray (~Mark@78.32.255.161) |
| 09:46.46 | jelly | what was the other disk about? |
| 09:47.00 | Bhavicp | I just reinstalled Debian on it. |
| 09:47.20 | Bhavicp | (was supposed to create another pv on there to extend my other one, which is now broken) |
| 09:47.34 | Bhavicp | I'm not worried baout that though, just need to get the original LVM working again. |
| 09:47.38 | Bhavicp | or at least get the data off it. |
| 09:48.09 | *** join/#debian bedouin (~de@delqn.xen.prgmr.com) |
| 09:48.26 | jelly | if you did this correctly and left this pv untouched, the new debian install should be able to read the metadata off it I think |
| 09:48.49 | Bhavicp | Yea, thats what i thought. But it didn't. So i recreated it. |
| 09:49.02 | Bhavicp | but now it won't mount :( |
| 09:49.28 | Bhavicp | bascially its just another broken ext3 partition |
| 09:49.48 | Bhavicp | which i have no idea how to fix, i've tried the superblocks and this other "testdisk" utlility which didn't help at all. |
| 09:50.08 | jelly | that might not have been a good idea. Nevertheless, you can use gpart or a similar tool to search for ext3 signature |
| 09:50.35 | Bhavicp | ok i'll look that up thanks |
| 09:51.50 | jelly | that's "gpart", not to be confused with "gparted" |
| 09:52.05 | *** join/#debian DimmuR| (~DimmuR@unaffiliated/dimmur) |
| 09:53.21 | *** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha) |
| 09:54.28 | *** join/#debian RobinJ (~Robin@unaffiliated/robinj) |
| 09:54.47 | *** join/#debian c0nfl|ct (~tiagrei@83.240.182.212) |
| 09:54.53 | *** join/#debian icebrain (~icebrain@gw-e-U-DEP.nat.fct.unl.pt) |
| 09:55.02 | *** join/#debian Soul_Eater (~marcelo@unaffiliated/soul-eater/x-4649632) |
| 09:57.12 | *** join/#debian zyga (~zyga@linaro/zyga) |
| 09:57.32 | *** join/#debian Fyrespray (~Mark@78.32.255.161) |
| 09:58.01 | *** join/#debian haso (~haso@17.79-161-33.customer.lyse.net) |
| 09:59.33 | Bhavicp | hey jelly: Could you please give any other advice (google doesn't seem to help in this case) - I also just confirmed that the data's definately still in the LVM. |
| 09:59.36 | *** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha) |
| 09:59.58 | *** join/#debian nickng (~nickng@dyn1222-183.wlan.ic.ac.uk) |
| 10:00.36 | *** join/#debian Ramattack (~Ramattack@195.16.138.2) |
| 10:02.57 | Raptors | is it bad to compile stuff as root? |
| 10:03.11 | xk | yeah |
| 10:03.17 | Raptors | :\ |
| 10:03.21 | Raptors | How do I get around it? |
| 10:03.25 | xk | as long as no one knows, it's good |
| 10:03.27 | xk | :) |
| 10:03.34 | Raptors | lol |
| 10:03.43 | Raptors | how do I get past the permission probs? |
| 10:03.48 | Raptors | without being root? |
| 10:03.53 | xk | what permission problems? when you install? |
| 10:04.41 | Raptors | like I'm compiling this kernel with make-kgkg and it always fails (at the end) because I'm not root |
| 10:05.06 | xk | ahhh |
| 10:05.07 | *** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha) |
| 10:05.08 | simonlnu | !fakeroot |
| 10:05.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, fakeroot is a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
| 10:05.30 | Raptors | :/ |
| 10:05.38 | simonlnu | solution ^^^ |
| 10:05.58 | simonlnu | turn :/ into :) |
| 10:06.01 | Raptors | cannot unlink file for debian/templates.in: Permission denied at /usr/bin/make-kpkg line 970 |
| 10:06.24 | Raptors | :/ |
| 10:06.29 | *** join/#debian preller (~preller@p4FF9AE46.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:06.29 | *** join/#debian preller (~preller@unaffiliated/preller) |
| 10:06.39 | Raptors | I got a billion of those |
| 10:07.08 | Raptors | maybe I'm doing it wrong? |
| 10:07.17 | *** join/#debian ah_kevin (ah_kevin@114.96.26.73) |
| 10:07.21 | Raptors | I just replaced sudo with fakeroot |
| 10:07.34 | xk | you need to untar it as a user |
| 10:07.42 | xk | then go ahead with fakeroot |
| 10:07.54 | Raptors | as which user? |
| 10:08.01 | Raptors | I untared it as my user |
| 10:08.15 | xk | then you ran sudo? |
| 10:08.30 | *** join/#debian psychik (~psy@81.56.67.201) |
| 10:08.42 | Raptors | because it doing superuser stuff? :] |
| 10:08.45 | Raptors | :\ |
| 10:09.08 | Raptors | nvm... |
| 10:09.13 | Raptors | I'll just keep using root |
| 10:09.17 | Raptors | at least for this |
| 10:09.20 | Raptors | figure it out later |
| 10:09.51 | Bhavicp | Hi, is it at all possible to recover a partition getting "e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mapper/home-home" (The data's still in the partition) |
| 10:10.03 | simonlnu | fakeroot make-kpkg [...] |
| 10:10.05 | xk | try a different super block? |
| 10:10.12 | *** join/#debian riisen (~riisen@193.13.142.14) |
| 10:10.15 | Bhavicp | xk, i tried all the backup ones. |
| 10:10.16 | Raptors | simonlnu, that's what I did... |
| 10:10.25 | Bhavicp | None worked, but the data's definately there. |
| 10:10.28 | Bhavicp | Ie my files |
| 10:10.30 | xk | hmmm |
| 10:10.53 | xk | try debugfs? |
| 10:10.56 | Bhavicp | There must be some other way |
| 10:11.01 | Bhavicp | ok, ty |
| 10:11.17 | simonlnu | probably doing it wrong |
| 10:11.27 | xk | I've used it before on an unmountable FS (first MB of data was gone), recovered 99% of files. |
| 10:11.33 | Bhavicp | debugfs 1.41.12 (17-May-2010) |
| 10:11.35 | Bhavicp | /dev/mapper/home-home: Bad magic number in super-block while opening filesystem |
| 10:11.36 | xk | atleast you will see if it works or not. |
| 10:12.00 | simonlnu | fakeroot make-kpkg [options] [targets] |
| 10:12.28 | Bhavicp | set_super_value, ssv Set superblock value |
| 10:12.32 | Bhavicp | Is it possible to do that? |
| 10:12.42 | xk | that's the same as using -s |
| 10:12.43 | Bhavicp | Ie re-set the superblocks (I'm not sure what the superblock holds though!) |
| 10:13.35 | *** join/#debian MrGeneral (~MrGeneral@ipv6.miguelsp.net) |
| 10:13.44 | Bhavicp | ah |
| 10:13.46 | Bhavicp | i get it. |
| 10:14.25 | Bhavicp | Well, that sucks. There should be an easy way to get a fs working again even if the superblocks are gone :( |
| 10:14.48 | *** join/#debian zgedneil (~rus@cpc1-cbly2-0-0-cust455.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 10:15.01 | *** join/#debian jodeba (~debel@hide05.efif.dk) |
| 10:15.01 | Bhavicp | Any good data recovery programs? I guess i'll just recover the folder i need on the fs |
| 10:15.14 | Bhavicp | im using photorec atm, but it seems to only recover certain files. |
| 10:15.23 | Bhavicp | I have alot of .rar's and other randoms. |
| 10:16.37 | *** join/#debian jonpacker (~contact@60-241-39-19.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 10:18.21 | icebrain | Bhavicp: photorec supports 200+ file formats, including rar. Maybe the headers are damaged? |
| 10:18.44 | icebrain | or they're just too big and fragmented |
| 10:19.05 | Bhavicp | dam, might have to let go of this data i guess :( |
| 10:19.32 | *** join/#debian zyga (~zyga@linaro/zyga) |
| 10:23.53 | ws2k3 | hello guys. i am installing a debian machine i have 2 hard disks of 250gb i have created a software raid1 mirroring so i haave 250 gb to create partitions. i wanne have my / to be 95 gb bootable = yes but when i create that in my list below software is coming to stand a F instead of a small f and when i create my other partition they are small f and i cant write it to the hard disk |
| 10:26.09 | *** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha) |
| 10:27.10 | *** join/#debian kurkale6ka (~chatzilla@gatek.mh.bbc.co.uk) |
| 10:29.21 | ws2k3 | why i cant set it to 90 gb |
| 10:29.24 | ws2k3 | and not 95 gb? |
| 10:30.01 | *** join/#debian IdleOne (~idleone@ubuntu/member/idleone) |
| 10:30.19 | simonlnu | try 96 ? |
| 10:30.54 | *** join/#debian CrashFr (~CrashFr@sto93-2-82-228-142-248.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:32.32 | *** join/#debian stoffell (~stoffell@190.72-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 10:33.04 | ws2k3 | i did it with 90 now |
| 10:33.15 | ws2k3 | but i cant setup a partition of 150 gb |
| 10:33.19 | ws2k3 | for my /home |
| 10:33.36 | xk | because a 250 GB drive is actually like 230 GiB? |
| 10:34.00 | ws2k3 | why it says then in my partition tool dat i can devide 250 gb? |
| 10:34.18 | casts | and todays class is on the metric system |
| 10:34.50 | xk | blame harddrive manufacturer drive size contests |
| 10:35.06 | ws2k3 | ok |
| 10:35.11 | ws2k3 | so what should i make it then |
| 10:35.16 | *** join/#debian Cogito (~Cogito@2001:4ba0:fff1:c2::2) |
| 10:35.22 | ws2k3 | i have a 90 gb and a 10 gb |
| 10:35.29 | ws2k3 | what should i make the other one? |
| 10:35.37 | xk | 250 GB is ~ 233 GiB |
| 10:36.02 | *** join/#debian kenifanying (~kenifanyi@2001:250:1003:f012:225:64ff:fe5e:2076) |
| 10:36.16 | xk | dunno... 20 /, the rest for /home is good. |
| 10:36.27 | *** join/#debian tPl0ch (~profipimp@HSI-KBW-091-089-037-179.hsi2.kabelbw.de) |
| 10:36.42 | ws2k3 | when i hit auto guided partition |
| 10:36.58 | ws2k3 | i get a 10 gb / a 4.1 swap and 235,9 /home |
| 10:37.03 | *** join/#debian superjet_busy (~superjet@wikimedia/Crewlay) |
| 10:37.15 | ws2k3 | so it can device 250 i think. |
| 10:37.15 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 10:38.26 | kenifanying | hi all, i have a guest(fedora 14) in virtualbox-ose-3.2.10. when i start it, i get this error "piix4_smbus 0000:00:07.0: SMBus base address uninitialized - upgrade BIOS or use force_addr=0xaddr" |
| 10:38.32 | kenifanying | any suggestion? |
| 10:39.02 | petemc | use force_addr=0xaddr |
| 10:39.16 | xk | "0xaddr" isn't hex :) |
| 10:39.22 | *** join/#debian kW (~kW@unaffiliated/kw) |
| 10:39.30 | *** join/#debian davyg (~davyg@2a01:e35:243c:9250:221:5dff:fe95:a18) |
| 10:39.41 | *** join/#debian Auron (~auron@61.152.132.103) |
| 10:39.44 | petemc | there is that |
| 10:40.05 | kW | Hello! How do I automatically add a certificate to the debconf-list of certificates such that there will be no new questions on "dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates"? |
| 10:40.24 | kenifanying | petemc,how to do that? |
| 10:40.35 | petemc | kenifanying: is anything not working? |
| 10:42.03 | kenifanying | petemc,no, but, when i boot my guest(fedora ubuntu or debian wheezy), i always get this error. |
| 10:42.27 | xk | then it's nothing to worry about, since a VM doesn't have a bios. |
| 10:43.21 | kenifanying | petemc,xk, thanks |
| 10:44.15 | ws2k3 | i still cant get it done guys. when i use guided partition then i still get errors on the home partition. |
| 10:44.27 | *** join/#debian liable (~liable@1.153.251.39) |
| 10:44.27 | *** join/#debian liable (~liable@unaffiliated/liable) |
| 10:44.28 | *** join/#debian ilogical (~ilogical@187.112.115.228) |
| 10:44.54 | *** join/#debian Leoneof (~Leon@unaffiliated/leoneof) |
| 10:45.05 | ws2k3 | should i maby configure software raid when debian is already installed? |
| 10:45.59 | *** join/#debian Shadur (shadur@proteus.systemec.nl) |
| 10:46.15 | *** join/#debian hogren (5041e6f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.65.230.242) |
| 10:46.36 | hogren | hello hello |
| 10:47.35 | *** join/#debian brixtonasias (~brixtonas@krlh-5f720897.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 10:48.46 | kenifanying | gnash cannot play video in youtube? |
| 10:49.26 | *** join/#debian hhhhh_hhhh (tanta@175.144.115.128) |
| 10:49.41 | icebrain | kenifanying: it has some problems with cookies, if I'm not mistaken |
| 10:49.47 | icebrain | wait, I'll get the lin |
| 10:49.52 | *** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@178.110.171.202) |
| 10:50.11 | kenifanying | icebrain,how to fix it? |
| 10:50.18 | *** join/#debian cockroach (~stefan@80-218-0-190.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 10:50.28 | *** join/#debian Auron (~auron@61.152.132.103) |
| 10:50.29 | icebrain | kenifanying: according to this (http://www.gnashdev.org/?q=node/77) you need to delete all your Youtube cookies |
| 10:51.14 | kenifanying | icebrain, i will try it later, thank you! |
| 10:52.50 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@athedsl-211302.home.otenet.gr) |
| 10:54.56 | ws2k3 | the only configuration that works with software raid is one partition. |
| 10:55.48 | *** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@178.110.171.202) |
| 10:55.54 | *** join/#debian edog (~edog@alcotrash.org) |
| 10:59.55 | ws2k3 | somebody any advice? |
| 11:00.15 | *** join/#debian dgram (~dgram@crono.nith.no) |
| 11:00.25 | nevyn | software raid is not partiionable. |
| 11:00.39 | nevyn | ws2k3: you can use lvm on top of a raid. |
| 11:01.02 | ws2k3 | oh i didnt know that |
| 11:01.10 | ws2k3 | maby can u explan what lvm is |
| 11:01.12 | *** join/#debian nixoeen (~nixoeen@unaffiliated/nixoeen) |
| 11:01.13 | ws2k3 | a bit |
| 11:01.59 | nevyn | lvm is logical volume managment. it's sortof like dynamic disks on windows. |
| 11:03.28 | ws2k3 | so i need to chose all files in one partition? |
| 11:03.34 | ws2k3 | and then configure the lvm? |
| 11:03.53 | nevyn | no. |
| 11:03.54 | *** join/#debian shgz (~shgz@AOrleans-152-1-84-15.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:03.55 | *** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) |
| 11:04.00 | *** join/#debian brixtonasias (~brixtonas@krlh-5f720897.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 11:04.14 | ws2k3 | what then? |
| 11:04.23 | *** join/#debian mfladischer (~fladische@2001:470:1f0b:11df:22:19ff:fe1c:6b47) |
| 11:04.28 | nevyn | you need a /boot that's outside lvm |
| 11:04.29 | *** join/#debian Avasz (~Unknown@unaffiliated/avasz) |
| 11:04.35 | *** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) |
| 11:04.47 | ws2k3 | so i only need to create a /boot |
| 11:04.52 | ws2k3 | and the rest in lvm? |
| 11:04.54 | *** join/#debian fr3nk (~a@87-97-125-68.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 11:04.59 | nevyn | and you can make that another md if you want |
| 11:05.08 | xk | you dont need /boot outside of lvm. |
| 11:05.22 | ws2k3 | i use mirroring |
| 11:05.24 | nevyn | grub can boot inside an lvm? neat. |
| 11:05.40 | xk | nevyn: I have squeeze that runs / on lvm, the rest is for Xen VMs. |
| 11:05.55 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 11:05.58 | nevyn | xk: no /boot? awesome. |
| 11:06.03 | *** join/#debian eshat (~eshat@2001:638:504:c018:226:2dff:fef6:1d80) |
| 11:06.10 | nevyn | wishes he knew that when he installed his laptop. |
| 11:06.14 | nevyn | I have / on lvm. |
| 11:06.23 | xk | and no /boot |
| 11:06.27 | jelly | nevyn: grub2 can. It's still safer to have a separate /boot and have more options in case something goes wrong |
| 11:06.41 | xk | ah yeah... grub2... evil! |
| 11:06.58 | nevyn | meh I'm all over grub2 like white on rice. |
| 11:07.27 | xk | yeah, I'd go for separate /boot. I didn't setup this new squeeze box so that's why it has no /boot and grub2 :) |
| 11:08.03 | xk | I'm surprised I managed to crank 10 VMs on crappy SATA harddrives. |
| 11:08.22 | ws2k3 | how big my /boot needs to be? |
| 11:08.43 | ws2k3 | primery or logical at the begin of the end? |
| 11:09.31 | *** join/#debian Mr_Queue (~Mr_Queue@adsl-99-121-239-195.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 11:09.31 | *** join/#debian luminoso (~lumos@2002:d981:875d:1:b579:24cf:8aae:68c2) |
| 11:09.35 | *** join/#debian jrib (~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib) |
| 11:11.12 | *** join/#debian mesutcan (~mesutcan@88.244.27.16) |
| 11:11.12 | ws2k3 | ? |
| 11:11.16 | jelly | about 100-200MB |
| 11:11.51 | *** join/#debian Vutral (~ss@vutral.net) |
| 11:11.55 | jelly | primary. beginning. you can make it a md raid1 over multiple disks, with md metadata format v0.9 or v1.0 if you wish |
| 11:12.15 | ws2k3 | ok |
| 11:12.35 | ws2k3 | it is using ext3 on this moment is ext4 not default? |
| 11:13.21 | *** join/#debian dschoepe (~dschoepe@unaffiliated/dschoepe) |
| 11:13.22 | jelly | ext3 is ok |
| 11:13.41 | *** join/#debian aravind (~freenode@c-76-126-252-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 11:14.06 | *** join/#debian daemonkeeper (~Arno@unaffiliated/metalfoo) |
| 11:14.23 | dpkg | send killer squirrels to attack jelly, courtesy of avasz |
| 11:14.25 | *** join/#debian Vutral_ (ss@vutral.net) |
| 11:14.52 | jelly | !spank Avasz |
| 11:14.52 | dpkg | bends Avasz over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 11:15.25 | Avasz | jelly, stop it.. i'm sorry.. i was testin lart for the bot i am building. no offenxe |
| 11:15.36 | *** join/#debian pandark_ (~pandark@xvm-19-193.ghst.net) |
| 11:15.40 | Avasz | and i am not a "she" :D |
| 11:15.58 | *** part/#debian pandark_ (~pandark@xvm-19-193.ghst.net) |
| 11:16.01 | *** join/#debian dokma (~dokma@dh207-13-92.xnet.hr) |
| 11:16.11 | dokma | hi guyz. is there some smart way to find in which debian package a particular function of php is defined? in my particular case the function is pg_escape_string... |
| 11:16.29 | *** join/#debian rgr (~user@85.183.18.158) |
| 11:16.41 | jelly | Avasz: there's a #debian-bots channel |
| 11:16.52 | Avasz | oh! |
| 11:17.32 | *** join/#debian Shadur_ (shadur@proteus.systemec.nl) |
| 11:17.44 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~lawl@a79-168-154-2.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 11:18.13 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@funtoo/user/damex) |
| 11:18.32 | icebrain | dokma: probably php5-pgsql. pg_escape_string is a function of the Postgres module |
| 11:18.33 | *** join/#debian dgram (~dgram@crono.nith.no) |
| 11:19.10 | *** join/#debian Fyrespray (~Mark@78.32.255.161) |
| 11:19.15 | dokma | icebrain: I guess that way as well, but is there some way to do a search... It feels kind of stupid running here every time I have a missing function... |
| 11:20.38 | icebrain | dokma: nothing better than Google, AFAIK |
| 11:20.48 | jonpacker | if I go into single user mode over ssh it's going to kick me off isn't it? |
| 11:20.54 | *** join/#debian nhandler (~nhandler@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nhandler) |
| 11:21.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1055] by debhelper |
| 11:21.14 | dokma | jonpacker: well it should shut sshd down so you'd get kicked off |
| 11:21.16 | *** join/#debian Raptors (~Raptors@dsl-69-171-144-56.acanac.net) |
| 11:21.23 | jonpacker | damn |
| 11:21.26 | ws2k3 | ok i have created an lvm |
| 11:21.37 | jonpacker | looks like I have to take a drive to the datacenter then :[ |
| 11:21.40 | dokma | but you can add sshd to that run level |
| 11:21.46 | jonpacker | how do I do that? |
| 11:21.55 | ws2k3 | but i do not fully onderstand what i can do with that. can i create partition in here? |
| 11:22.00 | dokma | jonpacker: I forgot.. it's some simple command |
| 11:22.09 | jonpacker | I'll google it. cheers :) |
| 11:22.30 | *** join/#debian D-HUND (~ich@p5B1070D0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:24.13 | *** join/#debian sameerthahir (~smartbhai@116.68.99.163) |
| 11:29.08 | *** join/#debian phinaliumz (~doesnt@86-60-159-197-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 11:30.22 | *** join/#debian miyamoto (~noidea@113.199.218.71) |
| 11:31.14 | *** join/#debian proller (~proller@2a02:6b8:0:402:44bc:c7ef:f9af:1470) |
| 11:31.34 | *** join/#debian brotakku (~brotakku@dslb-092-077-080-144.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:31.38 | *** join/#debian thiagoss (~thiagoss@201008210106.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 11:32.13 | jonpacker | can't see to find that command. anyone else have any idea? |
| 11:32.35 | *** join/#debian amee2k (~thomas@ve504.cugnet.net) |
| 11:33.04 | *** join/#debian andrewklau (d177744d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.119.116.77) |
| 11:33.57 | *** join/#debian lollo64it (~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it) |
| 11:34.16 | casts | ws2k3: i don't imagine you mean you created an lvm, you may mean pv, vg or lv |
| 11:34.36 | andrewklau | Using pocketsphinx_continuous does anyone know how to export the result to a text file without the need for extra coding? |
| 11:34.54 | ws2k3 | haha |
| 11:35.02 | *** join/#debian coolmadmax (~cool_code@client-203-166-108-60.net2000.com.au) |
| 11:35.12 | ws2k3 | i still dont fully understand what lvm is exacly i never used it before |
| 11:35.21 | ws2k3 | but i have created 1 group |
| 11:35.29 | ws2k3 | with 3 logical volumes |
| 11:35.54 | ws2k3 | my question is is that good i wish to have it the bit like 3 partition |
| 11:36.01 | casts | ok |
| 11:36.13 | casts | well, you can use your 3 lvs just like 3 partitions |
| 11:36.26 | casts | mkfs /dev/volumegroup/logicalvolume |
| 11:37.23 | *** join/#debian [XrCT]Creation (creation@217.18.70.226) |
| 11:37.27 | *** join/#debian xmaz (~Makaveli@193.77.102.179) |
| 11:38.05 | xmaz | Can debian be installed as a virtual server with HYPER-v? |
| 11:38.11 | *** part/#debian miyamoto (~noidea@113.199.218.71) |
| 11:38.32 | xk | who uses microsoft virtualisation/ |
| 11:38.34 | *** join/#debian wolfpython (~wolf@58.213.54.190) |
| 11:38.38 | ws2k3 | nobody |
| 11:38.46 | ws2k3 | xmaz use vmware |
| 11:39.01 | *** join/#debian sameerthahir (~smartbhai@116.68.99.163) |
| 11:39.14 | casts | why vmware? |
| 11:39.23 | casts | can you suggest something that doesn't suck ;\ |
| 11:39.26 | xmaz | :D |
| 11:39.32 | ws2k3 | hahahah |
| 11:39.42 | ws2k3 | vmware realy doesnt suck(in my opinion) |
| 11:39.42 | xmaz | casts: you made me smile :D |
| 11:39.46 | casts | xen, virtualbox, kvm, are all in debian |
| 11:40.13 | xmaz | debian is freeware right? |
| 11:40.49 | casts | debian is free software, which is something else |
| 11:40.50 | petemc | virtualbox is available at no cost |
| 11:41.14 | abrotman | ws2k3: you didn't answer his question anyway |
| 11:41.50 | ws2k3 | debian is under gpl license |
| 11:41.53 | nevyn | ws2k3: kvm is a better hypervisor than vmware imho |
| 11:42.00 | *** join/#debian gagarine (~gagarine@86.Red-81-34-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:42.04 | ws2k3 | abrotman wich question. |
| 11:42.07 | nevyn | ws2k3: vmware has better tools tho ;) |
| 11:42.18 | abrotman | ws2k3: please just concentrate on solving your own problems |
| 11:43.17 | ws2k3 | i'm but if i see a question that i coult possible assint in then i say that. because i'm am alot in this channel u guys are helping me alot. i try to do something back when possible. |
| 11:43.51 | ws2k3 | nevyn i only used vmware and virtualbox so maby i'm not allowd to speak but my experience with vmware is very good. |
| 11:44.22 | xmaz | ws2k3: As i heard, hyper-v is way ahead vmware (not my words...) |
| 11:44.23 | xmaz | :D |
| 11:44.42 | *** join/#debian Anubisss (~anubisss@77.111.167.112) |
| 11:44.42 | igorssh | does somebody configured backup-manager on debian? |
| 11:45.01 | ws2k3 | haha hyper-v realy sucks (in my opinion) we tryed to use it at work. didnt worked out well |
| 11:45.18 | nevyn | ws2k3: it continues to have really really ordinary io. |
| 11:45.21 | igorssh | i'm familiar ith cent os configuration, but debian is looks strange to me |
| 11:45.44 | igorssh | please, somebody help |
| 11:46.15 | nevyn | ws2k3: our team has 5 clusters of 2-8 ESX quad socket 128gig systems |
| 11:46.21 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.241.144) |
| 11:46.27 | nevyn | ws2k3: with about a thousand guests. |
| 11:47.19 | ws2k3 | like i sad esx rocks |
| 11:47.25 | casts | do you need a licence for each guest? |
| 11:47.37 | *** join/#debian cheater (~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:47.37 | *** join/#debian casosac (~casosac@190.235.101.9) |
| 11:47.38 | cheater | hi guys |
| 11:47.52 | cheater | is there a way to find out what packages have files installed in a certain dir (or subdirs of)? |
| 11:47.57 | nevyn | ws2k3: other hypervisors are better. |
| 11:48.08 | ws2k3 | why u use vmware then |
| 11:48.14 | nevyn | the vmware management tools are better. |
| 11:48.21 | nevyn | and intertia |
| 11:48.45 | casts | often people like paying for things |
| 11:48.51 | casts | hasn't quite worked out why |
| 11:49.08 | andrewklau | Anyone have any experiance with pocketsphinx? |
| 11:49.37 | ws2k3 | for me everything what i need vmware has it. esx works just fine esxi works just fine i use vmware workstation on windows and linux and its just great |
| 11:50.10 | abrotman | cheater: dpkg -S /usr/lib/ ? for example ? |
| 11:50.51 | ws2k3 | my debian has some problem installing the grub. |
| 11:51.15 | cheater | abrotman: let's see |
| 11:51.34 | *** part/#debian andrewklau (d177744d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.119.116.77) |
| 11:51.40 | ws2k3 | it asks if i wanne install grub tot he mbr? |
| 11:51.50 | abrotman | ws2k3: please ask your system admin |
| 11:51.58 | *** join/#debian hlusiasa (~hlusiasa@2001:7c0:1900:11:200:5efe:8d45:3715) |
| 11:52.28 | *** join/#debian davyg (~davyg@2a01:e35:243c:9250:223:54ff:fe69:226e) |
| 11:52.30 | cheater | abrotman: looks like what i'm looking for! thanks! |
| 11:52.50 | abrotman | cheater: also take note of apt-file |
| 11:53.01 | ws2k3 | abrotman huh.. what do u mean with that? |
| 11:53.03 | abrotman | cheater: apt-file can do it for installed and uninstalled packages |
| 11:53.06 | abrotman | !u |
| 11:53.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:53.43 | cheater | abrotman: hmm.. |
| 11:53.44 | *** join/#debian jonpacker (~contact@60-241-39-19.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 11:53.45 | *** join/#debian oday (~oday@212.36.209.4) |
| 11:53.47 | oday | hello |
| 11:53.52 | abrotman | cheater: just something to note .. you don't need to use it ... |
| 11:54.01 | oday | i'm trying to follow this, http://randomerror.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/quick-tip-how-to-install-maven-on-linux/ |
| 11:54.31 | *** join/#debian anan (~andrej@upc.si.94.140.78.249.dc.cable.static.telemach.net) |
| 11:54.33 | oday | but at the "mvn site assembly:assembly" i get this error, "[ERROR] The goal you specified requires a project to execute but there is no POM in this directory (/usr/local). Please verify you invoked Maven from the correct directory." |
| 11:54.41 | oday | i asked in #maven but no response |
| 11:55.02 | abrotman | oday: what's wrong with the maven already in Debian ? |
| 11:55.06 | nevyn | casts: asscovering mostly. |
| 11:55.10 | oday | there's one already in my debian 6? |
| 11:55.16 | oday | oh... |
| 11:55.22 | abrotman | judd: versions maven2 |
| 11:55.24 | *** join/#debian preller (~preller@p4FF9AE46.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:55.24 | *** join/#debian preller (~preller@unaffiliated/preller) |
| 11:55.24 | judd | Package maven2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.9-2; sid: 2.2.1-5; squeeze: 2.2.1-5; wheezy: 2.2.1-5 |
| 11:55.29 | abrotman | it would seem so |
| 11:55.35 | nevyn | casts: there's still a lot of fun fingerpointing in big orgs. |
| 11:55.41 | abrotman | seems to be a fair number of plugins also |
| 11:56.03 | cheater | abrotman: is there a way to limit apt-file to only installed pkgs? |
| 11:56.14 | ws2k3 | abrotman what did u mean with that? |
| 11:56.19 | abrotman | !u |
| 11:56.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:56.41 | casts | nevyn: its always a palmface moment when your system goes down because someone screwed up the licensing somehow |
| 11:56.56 | abrotman | cheater: i don't think there is .. it uses a different database than the dpkg -S |
| 11:57.01 | abrotman | or different set of files |
| 11:57.12 | cheater | abrotman: btw, is thee a way to have dpkg output only the package names, not a string of the format pkg1, pkg2, pkg3: /path/to/file ? |
| 11:57.23 | casts | nevyn: strange how those deliberate product-disabling-themselves features don't make it into free software :) |
| 11:57.27 | cheater | the colon and stuff are a bit stupid :p |
| 11:57.38 | abrotman | cheater: pass it to awk |
| 11:57.38 | *** join/#debian mali (~mali@unaffiliated/micca) |
| 11:57.44 | mali | hi there |
| 11:57.55 | cheater | i don't think awk can trim starting a character |
| 11:57.59 | *** part/#debian xmaz (~Makaveli@193.77.102.179) |
| 11:58.10 | mali | I have started to play with squeeze, but one question which I remember was some takl about and which confuses me when I am in console |
| 11:58.15 | abrotman | cheater: dpkg -S foo | awk -F: '{print $1}' | sort | uniq |
| 11:58.22 | mali | do I use aptitude or apt-get.. or mix them or what? (in console?) |
| 11:58.29 | cheater | hmmm ah |
| 11:58.39 | abrotman | cheater: i think that's what you were asking |
| 11:58.51 | cheater | yes indeed :) thanks |
| 11:59.00 | ws2k3 | somebody? |
| 11:59.02 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@139.182.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 11:59.09 | *** join/#debian slvmchn (~slvmecha@c-24-91-117-140.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 11:59.15 | cheater | ws2k3: what is your porblem? |
| 11:59.44 | abrotman | cheater: you may also want a 'grep -v ","' in there somewhere |
| 11:59.54 | mali | how about first saying if one should use atp-get, aptitude, or can one, and if not, why are both available and bla bla.. sorry if this is silly but when one searches one can find so much on the topiuc :/ |
| 11:59.59 | *** join/#debian anao (~thomas@p4FC79701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:00.21 | abrotman | mali: you can use either you would like, there is a difference |
| 12:00.24 | ws2k3 | i'm installing debian with raid1 and i used lvm i have created a /boot outside the lvm. and now it try to install grub i get a error. |
| 12:00.41 | *** part/#debian anao (~thomas@p4FC79701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:00.43 | abrotman | mali: aptitude has better problem resolution in most cases |
| 12:00.57 | mali | ws2k3: yikes! that;'s how I lay out my disk and I intend to wipe it now and set up LVM with squeeze :o |
| 12:01.14 | *** join/#debian gnaruag (~gnaruag@122.173.162.20) |
| 12:01.37 | *** join/#debian onura (~onur@88.231.43.236) |
| 12:01.46 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 12:01.49 | mali | ok abrotman, then hmm, just so I understand some.. why is apt-get still included or so? and if I (which I tend to do a lot as well in the end), mix up with synaptic, is that a front-end for apt-get or for dpkg or? |
| 12:01.57 | onura | Hi. Can I install debian to a 64 MB hdd? |
| 12:02.05 | jelly | onura: not really, no |
| 12:02.06 | mali | well I don't move /boot outside actually |
| 12:02.19 | abrotman | mali: apt-get can do things aptitude cannot and vice versa |
| 12:02.23 | onura | jelly: is it possible with etch or sarge? |
| 12:02.23 | mali | I install on the block device but still have a /boot I install on a ntfs partition |
| 12:02.25 | abrotman | !emdebian |
| 12:02.26 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:02.26 | *** join/#debian DaZ (~meh@87-205-200-216.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 12:02.40 | onura | thanks abrotman |
| 12:02.51 | mali | ok abrotman: so final Q.. generally in console I 'll use aptitude then, but is it much of a 'danger/hassle' to mix them ? |
| 12:02.55 | abrotman | onura: and i don't know if it will fit on 64MB either .. but sarge/etch will not either |
| 12:03.12 | abrotman | mali: it was, not nearly as much so anymore .. |
| 12:03.12 | *** join/#debian dekar_ (~dekar@95.143.165.210) |
| 12:03.18 | jelly | onura: that's too small for any usable generic userspace that could still be called debian |
| 12:03.32 | *** join/#debian homie (~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-181.netcologne.de) |
| 12:03.50 | ws2k3 | anyway how should i solve the error with grub |
| 12:03.51 | mali | ok... gah.. still sounds a bit like .. ah well guess it's is try .. IF one gets some issues, are they 'reinstall OS' kind of issues or just 'look up troubleshooting and uninstall packages and bla bla'? |
| 12:03.51 | jelly | onura: what kind of a machine is that? What do you plan to do with it? |
| 12:03.59 | *** join/#debian buntfalke (~nobody@unaffiliated/buntfalke) |
| 12:04.18 | abrotman | mali: FWIW, i've been using aptitude for awhile .. i only use apt-get when it does sometihng aptitude cannot |
| 12:04.49 | mali | could you give an example abrotman? (I 'm sorry for taking time lol just like to know a bit so I don't regret early install actions) |
| 12:04.53 | abrotman | mali: you shouldn't have to reinstall as long as you pay attention to what the package manager is giong to do |
| 12:05.30 | abrotman | when it says "Are you sure you really want to do this?" .. make sure :) |
| 12:05.32 | onura | jelly: it's a thin client |
| 12:05.35 | mali | well, the few times I ever mixed them I never ran into anything, true.. and the package manager will tend to summarise in a few concise lines, so it is hard *not* to get what it is about to do |
| 12:06.01 | mali | but that doesn't mean I necessarily know what it implies.. as I thought they both are top layers of dpkg and in the end I only ended up confusing myself :/ |
| 12:06.14 | *** join/#debian proller (~proller@2a02:6b8:0:402:44bc:c7ef:f9af:1470) |
| 12:06.18 | *** join/#debian AimHere (~bod@host86-131-191-188.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:06.26 | *** join/#debian ronny (~ronny@pida/ronny) |
| 12:06.28 | abrotman | I'll refrain from confusing you with other package managers:) |
| 12:06.43 | mali | and I wish to get used to debian properly, as I intend to start a small business in August running on debian servers (and possibly desktops but with probably other desktop worksations as well) |
| 12:06.50 | mali | abrotman: do you mean smart? |
| 12:07.05 | oday | if i have a .sh file that i want to make as a command |
| 12:07.10 | mali | I would like to use smart if it would provide an even saner management :) |
| 12:07.17 | oday | so that when i enter "command" i run the "command.sh" file |
| 12:07.21 | abrotman | mali: aptitude is fine in 99% of the package management cases |
| 12:07.23 | mali | so unless you are bothered, I don't mind I guess looking up some other things |
| 12:07.32 | abrotman | mali: probably more like 99.99% |
| 12:07.36 | mali | okidokie.. so which 'other' were you thinking about |
| 12:07.38 | oday | can't i make "ln -s /home/user/directoryofcommand /usr/bin/command"? |
| 12:08.05 | onura | jelly: I need only a os and a rdp client for this machines. Do you know any alternative? |
| 12:08.08 | abrotman | mali: oh, there are others like dselect/cupt/apt2 .. i'd say to just stick with aptitude/apt-get or maybe aptitude-gtk |
| 12:08.11 | mali | haha.. ok, in that case I will stick to aptitude ... aptitude + synaptic (I will use gnome mainly) are fine together yes? and hmm, smart package manager ok then to chuck on top? |
| 12:08.17 | *** join/#debian wvmac_ (~wvmac@c-98-236-80-164.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 12:08.25 | onura | and of cource it should be floss |
| 12:08.34 | mali | aptitude-gtk.. hmm so synaptic -> apt-get? |
| 12:08.41 | abrotman | i haven't used synaptic and can't comment on how well it interacts with any other package manager |
| 12:08.46 | mali | ok |
| 12:09.29 | abrotman | it takes two seconds to open an xterm and run aptitude from there |
| 12:09.33 | mali | that's where I worry you see .. you use aptitude strictly.. and as you say, you don't use synaptic (probably not the front end of aptitude else you wouldn't mention gtk-aptitude).. and therein lies my crux.. since synaptic is on the gnome panel Im sure I end up using it when I am in the middle of something sigh |
| 12:09.42 | jelly | onura: hm, LTSP? |
| 12:09.54 | mali | ye I know abrotman: but I know myself too and over the months I tend to forget myself and search in one and use the other and vice versa |
| 12:09.57 | abrotman | mali: same warning as before .. just pay attention to what the package manager is going to do |
| 12:10.54 | mali | ya.. like you mean remove soem massively important package LOL... luckily I pick up on those.. but apart from that I have to generally place my trust in what it says it's about to do |
| 12:11.07 | *** join/#debian wieshka (~wieshka@85.31.102.169) |
| 12:11.09 | abrotman | mali: you'll notice when it tries to remove libgnome32 etc ... |
| 12:11.19 | onura | no jelly unfortunately server is a windows machine |
| 12:11.27 | wieshka | hey there - is it possible to configure multiple networks for wicd network manager via wired-settings.conf |
| 12:11.35 | mali | haha... minute lib is in the name, I consider it "the comps business" and not as much mine ;) |
| 12:11.49 | wieshka | idea is to get DHCP by default, but if dhcp fails, it uses static entries |
| 12:11.53 | jelly | onura: is there anything stopping you from setting up a second machine to serve as a ltsp server |
| 12:11.58 | mali | so I could of perhaps fallen pok maybe not for that one, but easily a more unfamiliar name :p |
| 12:12.08 | mali | how about smart... has anyone tried that on top of apt |
| 12:12.20 | mali | on distrowatch, I saw it said, it is the only thing which perhaps is seen as better than apt |
| 12:12.22 | abrotman | never heard of it |
| 12:12.25 | mali | .deb* |
| 12:12.28 | mali | oh really.. |
| 12:12.38 | ws2k3 | anyway how should i solve the error with grub |
| 12:12.49 | abrotman | isn't smart a new higher level package manager? |
| 12:12.51 | mali | ok, well it's .. I haven't tried it, I dl the source and perused the code.. but it's |
| 12:12.53 | mali | yes |
| 12:12.55 | mali | it is |
| 12:12.57 | onura | jelly: what LTSP doing? network boot? |
| 12:13.05 | *** join/#debian abchirk (~abchirk@f052200004.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:13.10 | mali | it's meant to remove a few of those rare dependency issues with apt |
| 12:13.33 | mali | etc.. and distrowatch said , I paraphrase: the onyl mabnager seen as superior to apt |
| 12:13.38 | abrotman | mali: it's in Debian, don't know a single person that's used it |
| 12:13.52 | mali | yet I am not so sure, where that 'statement' originated from but it wa senought o at least look at the project |
| 12:14.07 | mali | ya.. ok, I guess I will be my own sitting duck then |
| 12:14.12 | mali | I 'll give it a try :) |
| 12:14.25 | mali | okidokie.. so aptitude it is! |
| 12:14.25 | *** join/#debian prgrn (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/peregrin) |
| 12:14.26 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=smartpm;dist=unstable .. if that makes you feel better/worse |
| 12:14.27 | mali | thanks |
| 12:14.43 | mali | abrotman: there will never be a bug-free package |
| 12:14.53 | abrotman | mali: i think the age of some of the bugs is more of a concern? |
| 12:15.16 | *** join/#debian McMAGIC--Copy (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy) |
| 12:15.28 | jelly | onura: yes |
| 12:15.41 | sep | mali, never heard of it. and it need to have done 3 major releases before i'd consider it even with apt |
| 12:15.52 | mali | yes, I just was about to say: kernels are rather old |
| 12:16.20 | abrotman | mali: i meant that it doesn't seem well cared after in debian |
| 12:16.26 | mali | well, thats why I find it SO weird, that on distrowatch they made such a statement, yet I know NO ONE who uses it |
| 12:16.35 | *** join/#debian dserban (~dserban@S0106001346beb5f3.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 12:16.40 | mali | ye abrotman: meaning the old ways are the sane ways |
| 12:17.00 | mali | I'll take it on board.. and perhaps run a sid in a vm and give it a try with this smart thing |
| 12:17.03 | abrotman | mali: or that the other packages managers are far more advanced .. who knows |
| 12:17.20 | mali | but which makes it strange distrowatch state somethign liek that |
| 12:17.24 | *** join/#debian mentor (~mentor@178.16.0.88) |
| 12:17.27 | mali | ng like* |
| 12:17.35 | *** join/#debian mentor (~mentor@unaffiliated/mentor) |
| 12:18.00 | *** join/#debian thomasfuston (~thomas@nrbg-4dbe6488.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 12:18.22 | *** join/#debian salvin (~salvin@unaffiliated/salvin) |
| 12:18.34 | *** join/#debian dtcrshr (guerrilhag@unaffiliated/datacrusher) |
| 12:18.39 | *** join/#debian fachrat (~fachrat@141.30.81.180) |
| 12:18.59 | ws2k3 | executing grub-install hd0 failed this is a fatal error. thats the error message i recieve while installing grub. |
| 12:19.26 | *** join/#debian Leoneof (~Leon@unaffiliated/leoneof) |
| 12:20.06 | sep | mali, guess the authors on distrowatch is humans, and you read a humans personal opinion. |
| 12:20.17 | mali | ya |
| 12:20.27 | mali | prolly a guy who works on the project or something silly |
| 12:20.48 | mali | but couldn't just accept such a bold statement just thrown out without any sense so been looking around at this |
| 12:21.01 | mali | anyway thanks.. now to install squeeze and try with only compiz as wm |
| 12:21.05 | mali | wihtout gnome |
| 12:21.13 | sep | if 1042 debian users have never heard of it... then i'd stay away :) |
| 12:21.15 | fachrat | hi |
| 12:21.20 | mali | hehe sep |
| 12:21.35 | mali | 2 of which I actually end up having a nice conversation with |
| 12:21.48 | mali | and not to mention, active conv. |
| 12:22.26 | fachrat | debian crashes, but I don't know why. how do I start solving the problem? It seems like it always happens if nobody is logged in |
| 12:22.33 | mali | you jused used an argument about one human persona opinion on a site, does not imply the site's judgement, which is the same as you speaking for the k+ :Lp |
| 12:22.44 | *** join/#debian OneNarrowWay (~OneNarrow@ip4da1344b.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 12:22.49 | mali | ok, catch you guys in a bit when I am crying how to get compiz to work by itself |
| 12:22.51 | mali | ;) |
| 12:23.01 | mutante | is it normal to have eth0, eth0:1 , eth0:2 .. to all use the same MAC address? so same MAC for subinterfaces with different IPs? |
| 12:23.03 | *** join/#debian manio (~mariusz@87-206-100-87.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 12:23.12 | jelly | mutante: yes. |
| 12:23.12 | sep | fachrat, read your logs see if somethings goign on right before the crash |
| 12:23.34 | jelly | mutante: it's the same interface, just with multiple addresses. |
| 12:23.51 | mutante | jelly: is "IP alias" different from "subinterface"? |
| 12:24.03 | fachrat | sep, any suggestion which logs to start with? /var/log/messages and something else? |
| 12:25.02 | *** join/#debian Floops (~baihu@shellium/staff/floops) |
| 12:26.54 | *** join/#debian aguitel (~aguitel@190.244.146.95) |
| 12:27.12 | mutante | fachrat: /var/log/syslog is probably a good idea too |
| 12:27.36 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-119545.home.otenet.gr) |
| 12:27.38 | *** join/#debian return13 (~return13@ux-2800.inf.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de) |
| 12:27.47 | sep | fachrat, all of them ; does not matter which one you read first/last :) |
| 12:27.59 | *** join/#debian lapsusbrutus (~ah@fw.mrfylke.no) |
| 12:28.21 | fachrat | :) |
| 12:29.11 | *** join/#debian abcd82 (~abcd@109.110.18.181) |
| 12:29.33 | *** join/#debian gnaruag (~gnaruag@122.173.163.4) |
| 12:29.42 | jelly | mutante: there's no such thing as "subinterface" |
| 12:29.47 | sep | mutante, subinterface was a poorly coined word for ip alias in older times. ip alias describes much better what's realy going on compared to subinterface |
| 12:30.05 | mutante | thanks guys, it must be cause im old ;) |
| 12:30.23 | *** join/#debian [W1nNeR1] (~W1nNeR1]@217.11.191.76) |
| 12:30.29 | [W1nNeR1] | hi 2 all |
| 12:30.31 | *** join/#debian kanneblei (~lucas@32.104.18.240) |
| 12:30.47 | sep | mutante, also ip addr show this much more clear then ifconfig :) |
| 12:31.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1068] by debhelper |
| 12:31.54 | *** join/#debian nixoeen (~nixoeen@unaffiliated/nixoeen) |
| 12:31.55 | aguitel | is anyway to install gnome 3 in debian ? |
| 12:32.12 | *** join/#debian edog (~edog@alcotrash.org) |
| 12:32.34 | *** join/#debian rideh (~rideh@99-8-16-147.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 12:32.40 | *** join/#debian _Christophe_ (~Christoph@nla58-1-82-244-8-243.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:32.55 | abrotman | aguitel: the packages aren't complete ..you'll have to compile from source |
| 12:32.58 | abrotman | !gnome3 |
| 12:32.58 | dpkg | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 12:33.27 | abrotman | aguitel: also see Raphael's blog about it .. he has large chunks of it |
| 12:33.47 | [W1nNeR1] | can who help me? How to update repozitary (i'm don't know how correct write it's word), and update a system??? |
| 12:34.00 | abrotman | [W1nNeR1]: which OS is this? |
| 12:34.09 | aguitel | abrotman, what is the url from raphael blog ? |
| 12:34.21 | [W1nNeR1] | debian 6.0.1 sqeeze |
| 12:34.25 | [W1nNeR1] | abrotman, |
| 12:34.33 | abrotman | [W1nNeR1]: aptitude update |
| 12:34.59 | abrotman | aguitel: it's syndicated on planet.debian.org .. and i am NOT recommending you actually do it, it involves packages from unstable |
| 12:35.05 | fachrat | might this be crash related: http://pastebin.com/K40RXiHp |
| 12:35.13 | *** join/#debian wieshka_ (~wieshka@80.232.224.151) |
| 12:35.27 | [W1nNeR1] | abrotman, Excuse I badly speak on English as only I study it. |
| 12:35.50 | *** join/#debian c0nsense (~c0nsense@mvx-200-201-187-94.mundivox.com) |
| 12:35.51 | [W1nNeR1] | abrotman, a new packge not install before aptitude |
| 12:35.57 | fachrat | I missed the chance to check if sshd works after the "crash" (which might only be a graphical problem) |
| 12:36.21 | aguitel | abrotman, ok |
| 12:36.38 | abrotman | [W1nNeR1]: `man aptitude` .. it should explain the basics |
| 12:37.02 | [W1nNeR1] | ok, and second |
| 12:37.52 | *** join/#debian johannes_ (~quassel@p4FC666A4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:38.35 | *** join/#debian Tiffon (~name@79.109.208.24.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 12:38.35 | *** join/#debian Tiffon (~name@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 12:38.54 | *** join/#debian _Christophe_ (~Christoph@nla58-1-82-244-8-243.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:39.19 | [W1nNeR1] | What mesendger you will recommend? I'm need a mailagent,ICQ,IRC, and skype protokol |
| 12:39.25 | [W1nNeR1] | ??? |
| 12:39.27 | aguitel | http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/04/11/journey-of-a-new-gnome-3-debian-packager/ |
| 12:39.42 | c0nsense | Hello! i create an bash script that execute a .sql file to run commands on mysql, i wanna know if can i see if the commands are running surely, it's possible!? |
| 12:40.16 | *** join/#debian Cogito (~Cogito@2001:4ba0:fff1:c2::2) |
| 12:40.26 | abrotman | [W1nNeR1]: pidgin is probably a good start |
| 12:40.39 | abrotman | c0nsense: the mysql commands or the bash commands? |
| 12:40.50 | abrotman | aguitel: good luck .. enjoy the broken bits :) |
| 12:40.51 | *** join/#debian mastro (~Daniele@85-18-52-10.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 12:41.19 | aguitel | abrotman, i will do nothing ,just reading |
| 12:41.23 | *** join/#debian bint (bint@cable-static-220-208.intergga.ch) |
| 12:41.24 | [W1nNeR1] | abrotman, You can advise to download and install as me this mesenger ??? +) |
| 12:42.00 | abrotman | man aptitude ... already told you |
| 12:42.03 | abrotman | aguitel: ah okay |
| 12:42.17 | ws2k3 | hello guys during the installation of debian i configurated software raid with 2 x 250 gb disks and configured LVM on that. during the installation of gruv i get Untable to install grub in (hd0) executing grub-install (hd0) failed |
| 12:42.20 | [W1nNeR1] | what are command i'm must write ???? |
| 12:42.35 | [W1nNeR1] | apt-get pidgin |
| 12:42.37 | [W1nNeR1] | ??? |
| 12:42.46 | thomasfuston | I got a short question, i wanna share my debian setup (wm, software set etc.) with a friend, is there an easy way to make an debian install out of my running debian? |
| 12:43.16 | aguitel | abrotman, i am talking about gnome 3 because i download fedora 15 alpha (with gnome 3 ) and i like the desktop |
| 12:43.16 | *** join/#debian hallyn (~hallyn@cpe-70-123-154-172.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 12:43.45 | abrotman | thomasfuston: there was a program called bootcd that might be what you want .. not sure |
| 12:43.52 | aguitel | abrotman, fedora have live cd (no installing option ) |
| 12:44.01 | abrotman | aguitel: there are a few live CDs that have it |
| 12:44.15 | functor_ | Does debian arm distro support "Exynos Orion ARM Cortex-A9" which is the CPU for the new Samsung G S2? |
| 12:44.33 | abrotman | !arm |
| 12:44.33 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:44.46 | c0nsense | abrotman: see, the bash command do this: mysql -h HOST -u overmund -p PASSWORD DATABASE < /home/sites/dump/SCRIPT.sql |
| 12:44.48 | [W1nNeR1] | Ok/ I'm download a new version pidgin from offsite(http://www.pidgin.im/download/), how to make it??? |
| 12:44.50 | [W1nNeR1] | help |
| 12:44.56 | *** join/#debian apwxxsdf (~era1@82.131.16.12.cable.starman.ee) |
| 12:45.03 | c0nsense | abrotman: an the SCRIPT.sql have some sql codes to run in mysql.. |
| 12:45.04 | *** join/#debian LnDo (~dimon@77.72.142.203) |
| 12:45.07 | ayambit | how do i tell bash to write all commands in history without waiting for logout? |
| 12:45.18 | c0nsense | abrotman: i wanna know if can i see this sql running into mysql.. |
| 12:45.31 | c0nsense | abrotman: for know if all things are running correct. |
| 12:46.02 | [W1nNeR1] | sudo make unwork =((( |
| 12:46.10 | [W1nNeR1] | ck* |
| 12:46.14 | *** join/#debian jackneill (~jackneill@82.131.228.134.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 12:46.21 | *** part/#debian LnDo (~dimon@77.72.142.203) |
| 12:47.33 | *** join/#debian mocca (~mocca@bb121-6-252-253.singnet.com.sg) |
| 12:48.24 | c0nsense | abrotman: hey!? |
| 12:52.01 | *** join/#debian Holborn (~holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 12:52.59 | [W1nNeR1] | wooooooooooo |
| 12:53.12 | [W1nNeR1] | I'm heppy |
| 12:53.17 | [W1nNeR1] | a* |
| 12:53.37 | [W1nNeR1] | pidgin work -))) |
| 12:54.06 | lapsusbrutus | anyone knows if there exist a vmwareclient for linux? |
| 12:54.43 | *** join/#debian svg (~svg@antares.ginsys.net) |
| 12:55.24 | *** join/#debian xiangfu_ (~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com) |
| 12:56.00 | jelly | lapsusbrutus: if you're asking about a vSphere Client, the answer is no |
| 12:56.20 | *** join/#debian _Christophe_ (~Christoph@nla58-1-82-244-8-243.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:56.29 | [W1nNeR1] | abrotman, thanks |
| 12:56.33 | *** join/#debian syemxj (~fabula@ppp-245-133.98-62.inwind.it) |
| 12:56.47 | *** join/#debian sacredchao (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nike) |
| 12:56.50 | abrotman | c0nsense: sorry, at my real job too :) |
| 12:57.07 | abrotman | c0nsense: see if there's a flag to pass to the mysql command to make it show or be verbose |
| 12:57.11 | mali | lapsusbrutus: well vmware workstation exists in linux binaries yes |
| 12:57.28 | *** join/#debian Ergo^ (~ergo@hyp-p-107.pabianice.msk.pl) |
| 12:57.30 | c0nsense | abrotman: how!? |
| 12:57.42 | mali | 7.X is both on win and on linux |
| 12:57.42 | abrotman | c0nsense: man mysql ? |
| 12:57.58 | Bushmills | ayambit: history -a |
| 12:57.59 | c0nsense | abrotman: haha!, ok! |
| 12:58.15 | lapsusbrutus | thanks for info guys |
| 12:58.44 | *** join/#debian okl (57c1aad3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.193.170.211) |
| 12:58.47 | [W1nNeR1] | debian have a qip ??? |
| 12:58.50 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@77.232.140.162) |
| 12:58.50 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@funtoo/user/damex) |
| 12:59.43 | *** join/#debian lanthan (~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:59.48 | *** join/#debian wieshka (~wieshka@85.31.102.169) |
| 13:01.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1075] by debhelper |
| 13:04.05 | *** part/#debian mali (~mali@unaffiliated/micca) |
| 13:04.08 | *** join/#debian ah_kevin (ah_kevin@114.96.26.73) |
| 13:04.29 | *** join/#debian DammitJim (~Elive_use@mail.spectrumbridge.com) |
| 13:04.31 | *** join/#debian tech13 (~tech13@adsl-99-18-51-150.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:06.42 | *** join/#debian rodaplaya (~vodaf@186.121.83.168) |
| 13:07.04 | *** join/#debian kurkale6ka (~chatzilla@gatek.thls.bbc.co.uk) |
| 13:10.03 | *** join/#debian acemi (~acemi@unaffiliated/acemi) |
| 13:10.12 | *** join/#debian jeremym (~jsmartin@32.97.110.55) |
| 13:10.19 | *** join/#debian greenmang0 (~quassel@121.243.225.226) |
| 13:10.19 | *** join/#debian greenmang0 (~quassel@unaffiliated/greenmang0) |
| 13:11.31 | *** join/#debian jsmartin_ (~jsmartin@32.97.110.55) |
| 13:11.53 | *** join/#debian edog (~edog@alcotrash.org) |
| 13:12.31 | *** join/#debian Sazpaimon (wat@c-68-42-6-163.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 13:12.47 | *** join/#debian Sazpaimon (wat@c-68-42-6-163.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 13:12.54 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_lt (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 13:13.03 | *** join/#debian Sazpaimon (wat@c-68-42-6-163.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 13:13.09 | ws2k3 | is it possible to have grub on both hard disks with software raid? |
| 13:13.29 | *** join/#debian witchdoc (~karsten@dslc-082-082-106-110.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:13.29 | *** join/#debian witchdoc (~karsten@unaffiliated/witchdoc) |
| 13:13.32 | *** join/#debian op_amp (~Neeraj_Gu@59.177.203.64) |
| 13:14.05 | *** part/#debian op_amp (~Neeraj_Gu@59.177.203.64) |
| 13:14.08 | crilly | ws2k3: I'm not sure. Funnily enough I have just setup a software RAID 1 on three Blades; the disks are exact copies, including the boot partition - I don't think that means grub is there as well. |
| 13:15.46 | ws2k3 | but grub should be in the boot partition? |
| 13:15.54 | ws2k3 | because i get get it done to have grub on both disks |
| 13:16.05 | ws2k3 | if one disk craches a reboot and it boots again. |
| 13:16.13 | ws2k3 | what what i want but i dont know if its possible. |
| 13:16.28 | dudz_ | got a stutter |
| 13:16.35 | ws2k3 | ? |
| 13:16.49 | dudz_ | get get, what what |
| 13:16.56 | dudz_ | don't mind me :) |
| 13:17.53 | crilly | ws2k3: Yes, I think it will be. I'm just wondering which grub gets executed... possibly on the first physical disk? |
| 13:18.27 | *** join/#debian ddan (~dan@host11-250-dynamic.46-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:18.52 | ws2k3 | that doesnt matters because if its raid1 both disks are the same. |
| 13:19.39 | *** join/#debian _dreamy (~quassel@bl9-255-11.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 13:20.37 | *** join/#debian ajikeshi (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi) |
| 13:20.53 | crilly | ws2k3: Yep. I think it is on both, yeah |
| 13:21.01 | crilly | It is in my RAIDs :) |
| 13:21.18 | *** join/#debian acf1210 (~anderson@189.27.243.31.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 13:21.28 | *** part/#debian acf1210 (~anderson@189.27.243.31.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 13:21.51 | ws2k3 | because when my /boot is in the raid |
| 13:21.53 | ws2k3 | i cant install grub |
| 13:21.57 | ws2k3 | it gives a fatal error |
| 13:22.24 | crilly | install-grub? |
| 13:22.31 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 13:22.35 | *** join/#debian ICEBreakPoint (~d3mux32@89.181.146.135) |
| 13:23.13 | *** part/#debian dawud (~dawud@161.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 13:23.37 | *** join/#debian debsan (~debsan@190.245.76.183) |
| 13:23.47 | *** join/#debian xiangfu_ (~xiangfu@123.119.64.85) |
| 13:23.58 | crilly | You could try stopping the md devices and then installing it? |
| 13:24.10 | ws2k3 | md is raid1 |
| 13:24.15 | crilly | directly to the sd device |
| 13:24.23 | ws2k3 | directory so the hard disk |
| 13:24.25 | ws2k3 | without any way? |
| 13:24.31 | ws2k3 | without any raid1? |
| 13:24.45 | DammitJim | hey, where do you guys normally put wikis or tutorials |
| 13:24.55 | DammitJim | I'd like to put a tutorial out there for getting lirc to work with XBMC |
| 13:24.57 | *** join/#debian jackhill (jackhill@pilot.trilug.org) |
| 13:25.08 | DammitJim | there are tutorials out there, but they are very scarce and very old |
| 13:25.19 | DammitJim | I got this thing to work with a usb ir receiver on squeeze and wheezy |
| 13:25.34 | *** join/#debian apelgate (~apel@80.77.101.100) |
| 13:26.22 | crilly | ws2k3: Yeah, then assemble the RAID again |
| 13:26.39 | crilly | mdadm --stop /dev/md?; install-grub /dev/sda1 |
| 13:26.41 | crilly | for example |
| 13:27.45 | *** join/#debian ilogical (~ilogical@187.112.115.228) |
| 13:27.52 | *** join/#debian jas4711 (~jas@c80-216-4-108.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 13:27.53 | *** join/#debian aber (~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) |
| 13:28.18 | *** join/#debian jackneill (~jackneill@82.131.228.134.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 13:28.33 | *** join/#debian jackneill_ (~jackneill@82.131.228.134.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 13:28.38 | *** join/#debian pythos (~root@summerhousing.luther.edu) |
| 13:29.10 | *** join/#debian Yancho_ (~Matt@unaffiliated/yancho) |
| 13:29.41 | *** join/#debian edog (~edog@alcotrash.org) |
| 13:29.44 | *** join/#debian pythos (~schwla01@summerhousing.luther.edu) |
| 13:30.08 | crilly | ws2k3: Let me know how you get on as I'm learning all this my self too. |
| 13:30.49 | [W1nNeR1] | bb2 all |
| 13:31.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1084] by debhelper |
| 13:31.09 | ws2k3 | oke |
| 13:32.23 | *** join/#debian Miesco_ (~mugsy@142.155.34.154) |
| 13:35.28 | *** join/#debian nickng (~nickng@146.169.24.120) |
| 13:35.30 | Miesco_ | How do I make iceweasel open mutt for mailto? |
| 13:36.27 | crilly | Sounds like a minimalistic setup there. You need to configure the protocol to application assosciation I think |
| 13:36.56 | *** join/#debian Anubisss_ (~anubisss@77.111.167.112) |
| 13:37.08 | *** join/#debian icebrain (~icebrain@gw-e-U-DEP.nat.fct.unl.pt) |
| 13:37.18 | abrotman | probably run an xterm with the parameter passed to show your mutt |
| 13:37.54 | *** join/#debian JediKnight (~Miranda@46.113.167.210) |
| 13:38.22 | *** join/#debian JediKnight (~Miranda@46.113.167.210) |
| 13:38.26 | *** join/#debian bier (~bier@p54A5A35B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:38.40 | *** join/#debian op_amp1 (~Neeraj_Gu@59.177.203.64) |
| 13:38.44 | DammitJim | where do you guys usually post tutorials? I'd like to post one |
| 13:39.17 | *** join/#debian bier|tp (~bier@p54A5A35B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:39.24 | Miesco_ | crilly: HOw? |
| 13:39.28 | *** join/#debian Floops (~baihu@65.48.232.246) |
| 13:39.40 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-203.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 13:39.44 | ajikeshi | damex, in a blog :D |
| 13:40.00 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Create a new page on the wiki. Sounds pretty marginally Debian though, maybe xmbc has a wiki? or lirc? |
| 13:40.00 | ajikeshi | or http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 13:40.27 | *** join/#debian dekar_ (~dekar@95.143.165.210) |
| 13:40.29 | damex | ajikeshi: o_O what |
| 13:40.37 | DammitJim | jhutchins_lt, those guys at xbmc and lirc don't like the fact that I'm using the packaged debian stuff |
| 13:41.24 | *** join/#debian _spm_Draget (~draget@vpn3165.itmc.tu-dortmund.de) |
| 13:41.48 | nevyn | should write a sound howto. |
| 13:41.49 | *** join/#debian nickng (~nickng@dyn1222-183.wlan.ic.ac.uk) |
| 13:42.01 | _spm_Draget | Can I somehow get information about a specific package using aptitude? A short description, versions etc? I tend to look online, but it would be nice to see these infos via commandline |
| 13:42.21 | *** join/#debian ealdor (~ealdor@27.Red-79-147-17.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:42.24 | nevyn | apt-cache show packagename :) |
| 13:42.26 | *** join/#debian sameerthahir (~smartbhai@116.68.99.163) |
| 13:42.43 | *** join/#debian bixgomez (~bixgomez@c-24-16-37-138.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 13:42.52 | nevyn | aptitude show works as well. |
| 13:43.15 | *** join/#debian dawud (~dawud@161.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 13:43.39 | DammitJim | what software is good for renaming CD ripped tracks? |
| 13:43.47 | abrotman | DammitJim: you could also email the HOWTO to the debian-user list |
| 13:44.00 | abrotman | DammitJim: instead of creating a wiki page i mean |
| 13:44.04 | DammitJim | abrotman, would that put it on a site for anyone to see? |
| 13:44.21 | abrotman | DammitJim: in the mailing list archives .. they're public |
| 13:44.34 | Miesco_ | Okay I got it |
| 13:44.44 | DammitJim | ok, great... I would just hate for someone else who wanted to do what I did to spend 3 days trying to get it to work |
| 13:44.53 | DammitJim | that's all... |
| 13:44.56 | *** join/#debian jazz (~Adium@vaala.mine.nu) |
| 13:45.31 | abrotman | not sure if it's really the best method, but it at least makes it public |
| 13:45.51 | DammitJim | yes... as long as it's "googable" |
| 13:45.58 | DammitJim | googeable? |
| 13:46.03 | abrotman | yes, it would be |
| 13:46.03 | *** join/#debian trbs (~trbs@2001:470:d2ad:1:4a5b:39ff:fe7d:1623) |
| 13:46.41 | DammitJim | abrotman, how long have you been using debian? |
| 13:46.55 | abrotman | "a long time" |
| 13:47.01 | DammitJim | lol.... how long? |
| 13:47.06 | abrotman | what year is it? |
| 13:47.19 | abrotman | 13 years? somethign like that? |
| 13:47.24 | *** join/#debian gusnan (~gusnan@h193n1c1o269.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 13:47.35 | DammitJim | lol... what year is it... |
| 13:47.52 | abrotman | 12 maybe? |
| 13:48.08 | abrotman | either Hamm or Slink .. can't remember which |
| 13:48.33 | DammitJim | holy cow... I wonder if I would have liked to play with Hamm |
| 13:48.59 | abrotman | well, back then, the package manager didn't seem to support resume .. so trying to install Netscape was an exercise in frustration .. |
| 13:49.06 | jelly | it was better than redhat 5 or 6, even with dselect |
| 13:49.11 | DammitJim | @ dialup speed? |
| 13:49.17 | Bushmills | was quite disappointed of buzz |
| 13:49.18 | abrotman | jelly: i tried to use RH5.x .. but it wouldn't install on my machine |
| 13:49.18 | DammitJim | hi jelly |
| 13:49.32 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: You would definitively know if you used Hamm. That had no apt yet |
| 13:49.38 | DammitJim | I think back then I was playing with FreeBSD instead |
| 13:49.44 | jelly | I still hate dselect |
| 13:50.08 | DammitJim | just because "someone told me to" and suggested to read a book "Maximum RPM"... I never finished it |
| 13:50.11 | jelly | whoever wrote that UI needs to have their head examined |
| 13:50.34 | abrotman | DammitJim: yes .. and at 14.4 and the package is 14MB .. so the dial-up pool had a time limit of 3hrs .. which approximately gets you 12-13MB .. boo |
| 13:50.51 | DammitJim | lol... a true race against time! |
| 13:51.08 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: i would have used dselect |
| 13:51.28 | *** join/#debian ike (ike@unaffiliated/ike) |
| 13:51.49 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: i think i used dselect until Woody |
| 13:52.04 | *** join/#debian witchdoc (~karsten@unaffiliated/witchdoc) |
| 13:52.24 | *** join/#debian mahmood-RM (~mahmood-R@205.204.65.221) |
| 13:52.30 | *** join/#debian ozgurkuru (d49c3e9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.156.62.158) |
| 13:52.36 | xk | abrotman: just do what I did back then, slammed the whole ISP with +++ATH0 :) |
| 13:52.40 | xk | no more 3 hour limit |
| 13:52.50 | *** join/#debian terranova (~terranova@ajr10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 13:53.10 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: So apt may be no indication for you |
| 13:53.17 | abrotman | xk: it was my Uni .. |
| 13:53.20 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: probably not |
| 13:53.51 | *** join/#debian Erbureth (~kvirc@wired-187.fi.muni.cz) |
| 13:53.53 | DammitJim | is there a utility to see how "busy" the hard drive is? |
| 13:54.00 | xk | DammitJim: dstat? |
| 13:54.07 | Bushmills | iotop? |
| 13:54.49 | DammitJim | ok, I guess I have to install it :) |
| 13:55.02 | Bushmills | only if you want to use it |
| 13:55.14 | lapsusbrutus | powertop for powerusage ;) |
| 13:55.24 | *** join/#debian witchdoc (~karsten@dslc-082-082-106-110.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:55.24 | *** join/#debian witchdoc (~karsten@unaffiliated/witchdoc) |
| 13:55.25 | daemonkeeper | sysstat / iostat |
| 13:55.28 | *** join/#debian miguetan (~miguetan@237.242.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 13:55.39 | nevyn | sar ? |
| 13:55.40 | DammitJim | man, these "green" hard drives are really slow |
| 13:55.43 | *** join/#debian nrs (afk@shellium/member/nerijus) |
| 13:55.47 | nevyn | yep.. |
| 13:56.02 | abrotman | DammitJim: iostat |
| 13:56.03 | DammitJim | 31M/s writing |
| 13:56.13 | DammitJim | I installed iostat.. trying to understand it |
| 13:56.16 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: i didn't mind dselect for the most part .. but the interface was awful |
| 13:56.23 | *** part/#debian rodaplaya (~vodaf@186.121.83.168) |
| 13:56.36 | xk | DammitJim: what size hdd? |
| 13:56.41 | DammitJim | 2TB |
| 13:56.53 | DammitJim | but I got it for $80 for my home HTPC/Server |
| 13:56.54 | xk | DammitJim: make sure when you format it, the partition is aligned |
| 13:56.58 | xk | otherwise you get crap performance. |
| 13:57.10 | *** join/#debian Bop (~Vrooomm@bl8-65-98.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 13:57.12 | DammitJim | xk, how do I do that? I let debian just create the partitions for me :( |
| 13:57.18 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: I never liked dselect. Fortunately it is going to die now. |
| 13:57.30 | xk | DammitJim: not sure if squeeze does it automatically. |
| 13:57.37 | DammitJim | daemonkeeper, are you the dselect killer? |
| 13:57.38 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: well, yes .. in restropect it was a pile of crap .. but at the time .. not totally awful |
| 13:57.51 | nevyn | has moved on to aptitude from dselect but it was good when it was all there was. |
| 13:57.53 | *** join/#debian lawrencekane (~Adium@75-139-159-170.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com) |
| 13:57.59 | DammitJim | xk, how do we normally ensure the partition is aligned? It took forever to format it for sure |
| 13:58.00 | *** join/#debian mirco (~mirco@ip-95-223-210-128.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 13:58.06 | xk | DammitJim: fdisk |
| 13:58.06 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: up until a couple of years ago, we had a regular here that would recommend people use dselect |
| 13:58.09 | daemonkeeper | DammitJim: Not really, I just don't like it. :) |
| 13:58.24 | *** part/#debian lawrencekane (~Adium@75-139-159-170.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com) |
| 13:58.43 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Well, until apt came you had no alternatives and it took a lot of time until apt was really stable and proven. |
| 13:58.46 | DammitJim | xk, fdisk will tell me if it is properly aligned? |
| 13:58.59 | *** join/#debian larsl (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/larsl) |
| 13:59.02 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: yeah .. i know .. the lack of resume was really the frustrating bit for me :) |
| 13:59.05 | xk | DammitJim: fdisk: expert mode ("x"), then setting the start sector ("b") to 64. |
| 13:59.11 | xk | DammitJim: there is a script to determine whether it is aligned |
| 13:59.13 | xk | let me find it |
| 13:59.20 | *** join/#debian Jippi_mac (~jippignu@90.185.154.214) |
| 13:59.32 | DammitJim | ty... I'm googling as well |
| 13:59.48 | xk | I have to pastebin it |
| 13:59.48 | *** join/#debian buntfalke (~nobody@unaffiliated/buntfalke) |
| 14:00.06 | xk | http://pastebin.com/wJ53nzYz |
| 14:00.08 | larsl | Are there any CAD-type programs packaged for Debian that can compute the shapes of sheets wrapped around solid frames, for e.g. tents or kayaks? |
| 14:00.11 | xk | change D to your drive |
| 14:00.12 | *** join/#debian luminoso_ (~lumos@2002:d981:875d:1:b579:24cf:8aae:68c2) |
| 14:00.46 | DammitJim | thanks xk |
| 14:00.54 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: It might have to do with laziness and hapit to keep stuck to tools you're used to. Same story for aptitude and my preference for apt |
| 14:00.57 | DammitJim | is this a shell script? |
| 14:00.59 | daemonkeeper | *habit |
| 14:01.00 | xk | yes |
| 14:01.19 | jelly | DammitJim: sfdisk -d /dev/whatev output, and check each start= value is divisible by 8 |
| 14:01.31 | DammitJim | ok, cool |
| 14:01.43 | *** join/#debian alami (~isy@unaffiliated/alami) |
| 14:01.48 | jelly | !4kb |
| 14:01.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, 4kb is https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_4_KiB_sector_issues |
| 14:02.12 | jelly | windows and newer versions of fdisk, parted, align to 1MB which is good enough |
| 14:02.24 | alami | hello, how can i fix this problem pls http://pastebin.com/bstt838a |
| 14:02.35 | DammitJim | weird |
| 14:03.36 | DammitJim | oh man, why am I getting errors on the script? |
| 14:03.49 | alami | jelly: i have a problem when i try to install any packages |
| 14:03.50 | xk | it needs to be bash? |
| 14:03.52 | *** join/#debian ICEBreakPoint (~d3mux32@89-181-159-77.net.novis.pt) |
| 14:03.53 | *** part/#debian pythos (~schwla01@summerhousing.luther.edu) |
| 14:03.55 | *** join/#debian aleman1 (504e01af@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.1.175) |
| 14:03.59 | DammitJim | ok, because I don't know how to copy and paste |
| 14:04.16 | *** join/#debian SgrA (~SgrA@unaffiliated/sgra) |
| 14:04.43 | DammitJim | I'm doing bash blahblah.sh |
| 14:04.44 | Bushmills | alami: aptitude purge gdm3; aptitude install gdm3. if it still fails - no idea. purge again, install gdm instead of gdm3 then |
| 14:04.50 | DammitJim | but I get (standard_in) 1: syntax error |
| 14:05.25 | xk | hang on. |
| 14:05.28 | *** join/#debian D-HUND (~ich@p5B106E83.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:05.45 | *** join/#debian dekar__ (~dekar@95.143.165.210) |
| 14:06.26 | *** join/#debian shahri (~shahri@dslb-084-063-252-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 14:06.33 | *** join/#debian home-alone (~home-alon@119.152.30.40) |
| 14:06.44 | xk | weird |
| 14:07.19 | *** join/#debian luminoso_ (~lumos@2002:d981:875d:1:b579:24cf:8aae:68c2) |
| 14:07.57 | home-alone | hi . i am a new user i want to install Libre Office in my debian 6 machine . suggest me easiest way to instsll LO and plz step by step |
| 14:08.05 | *** join/#debian juliands (~s@200-122-97-197.cab.prima.net.ar) |
| 14:08.10 | *** part/#debian juliands (~s@200-122-97-197.cab.prima.net.ar) |
| 14:08.16 | DammitJim | xk, it works for you? |
| 14:08.19 | *** join/#debian Zitter (~danilo@host34-93-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:08.47 | xk | well.. if I copy and paste, no. |
| 14:08.49 | jelly | home-alone: what's wrong with openoffice currently present in that debian release? |
| 14:08.51 | xk | let me try original |
| 14:09.02 | *** join/#debian Zitter (~danilo@host34-93-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:09.21 | *** join/#debian casosac1 (~casosac@190.235.101.9) |
| 14:09.22 | xk | looks like pastebin broke it |
| 14:09.38 | Bushmills | home-alone: easiest would be to run it in a wheezy installation |
| 14:09.38 | home-alone | open office is philosophically not the option i am looking for |
| 14:09.45 | *** join/#debian Cryp71c (~rburnham@adsl-065-013-247-238.sip.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:09.51 | Cryp71c | What verison of grub does debian install, by default? |
| 14:10.05 | alami | i have a problem with gdm3, i can't purge it, is there any solution? |
| 14:10.09 | xk | ok my bad |
| 14:10.14 | xk | DammitJim: are you running it as root? |
| 14:10.22 | ayambit | is there a top that is able to display process tree like ps --forest? |
| 14:11.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1091] by debhelper |
| 14:11.00 | Bushmills | ayambit: htop |
| 14:11.08 | home-alone | can i download open office .deb file and manually install it |
| 14:11.09 | *** join/#debian Zitter (~danilo@host34-93-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:11.23 | home-alone | i mean libre office |
| 14:11.24 | *** join/#debian danilo_ (~danilo@host34-93-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:11.32 | *** join/#debian Zitter (~danilo@host34-93-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:12.33 | DammitJim | no, should I? |
| 14:12.34 | *** join/#debian xiangfu (~xiangfu@123.117.12.105) |
| 14:12.55 | Bushmills | home-alone: unlikely. there'll be dependencies which need resolving |
| 14:12.57 | ayambit | Bushmills: thanks, that will do |
| 14:13.03 | *** join/#debian aminpy (~aminpy@89.165.28.245) |
| 14:13.07 | DammitJim | same error as root, xk |
| 14:13.34 | *** join/#debian ElDiabolo (~jo@46.115.1.104) |
| 14:13.43 | Bushmills | ayambit: F5 |
| 14:13.58 | jelly | home-alone: the openoffice in debian 6.0 is built from Go-oo tree which recently got pretty much renamed to LibreOffice as-is. |
| 14:14.02 | xk | DammitJim: check if you have sfdisk and bc installed |
| 14:14.05 | *** join/#debian rothwell (~rothwell@unaffiliated/rothwell) |
| 14:14.06 | *** join/#debian daemonkeeper (~Arno@unaffiliated/metalfoo) |
| 14:14.11 | *** join/#debian xiangfu_ (~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com) |
| 14:14.15 | jelly | home-alone: it's source before the fork |
| 14:14.25 | rothwell | 'lo. is bastille available for squeeze, anywhere? |
| 14:14.42 | cantido | Is there a nullmailer type MTA that can do SMTP auth? |
| 14:14.52 | DammitJim | doesn't bc always come with debian? LOL |
| 14:15.00 | *** part/#debian alami (~isy@unaffiliated/alami) |
| 14:15.02 | DammitJim | I got sfdisk |
| 14:15.15 | DammitJim | bc is there, too |
| 14:15.30 | xk | bc is not installed by default |
| 14:15.32 | *** join/#debian nickng (~nickng@146.169.24.129) |
| 14:15.42 | xk | I dunno - it works for me if I use root and have full paths |
| 14:15.45 | *** part/#debian Erbureth (~kvirc@wired-187.fi.muni.cz) |
| 14:15.48 | cantido | its part of the standard system task isn't it? |
| 14:15.52 | *** join/#debian LnDo (~dimon@77.72.142.203) |
| 14:16.00 | DammitJim | xk, let me put some print statements |
| 14:16.09 | *** join/#debian witchdoc (~karsten@unaffiliated/witchdoc) |
| 14:16.10 | xk | DammitJim: run it with "bash -x blah.sh" |
| 14:16.51 | *** join/#debian ignotusp (~ignotus@fleshless-dash.volia.net) |
| 14:17.09 | *** part/#debian LnDo (~dimon@77.72.142.203) |
| 14:17.32 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@unaffiliated/dimmur) |
| 14:17.59 | *** join/#debian ppradhan (~Adium@nagarkot.ddns.uark.edu) |
| 14:18.28 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/PCvgnLYB |
| 14:18.51 | xk | ls -la /dev/sda* |
| 14:19.00 | *** part/#debian rothwell (~rothwell@unaffiliated/rothwell) |
| 14:19.30 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/hsjMQSzc |
| 14:19.36 | *** join/#debian Zitter (~danilo@host34-93-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:19.46 | xk | weird |
| 14:20.00 | Bushmills | cantido: ssmtp. |
| 14:20.23 | Bushmills | check out -auusername and -appassword options |
| 14:20.33 | xk | DammitJim: run: ls /dev/sda?* | cut -f 3 -d '/' | cut -b 4- | sort -n |
| 14:20.36 | *** join/#debian yogurt2ungue (~yogurt2un@host119.190-230-217.telecom.net.ar) |
| 14:20.40 | *** join/#debian thomasfuston (~thomas@nrbg-4dbe6488.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 14:20.53 | DammitJim | 1 2 3 4 |
| 14:21.14 | home-alone | when libre office will be available in the official repositories..???? |
| 14:21.36 | karlpinc | home-alone: It's likely to make it into backports "soon", for some value of soon. |
| 14:21.44 | karlpinc | What's a "null mailer"? |
| 14:21.46 | xk | DammitJim: that is so weird. |
| 14:21.56 | *** join/#debian Morten_ (~morten@0x5da31f7d.boanqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 14:22.03 | *** join/#debian Gottaname (~Gottaname@bb121-6-177-218.singnet.com.sg) |
| 14:22.52 | abrotman | karlpinc: one that doesn't accept |
| 14:22.52 | xk | why is grep doing "231 "? :) |
| 14:22.53 | jelly | home-alone: it's already there, just not for the stable release. |
| 14:22.57 | abrotman | judd: info mullmailer --release squeeze |
| 14:22.58 | jelly | ,versions libreoffice |
| 14:23.00 | judd | No record of package 'mullmailer' in squeeze/i386. |
| 14:23.02 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- wheezy: 1:3.3.1-1; sid: 1:3.3.2-2 |
| 14:23.05 | abrotman | judd: info nullmailer --release squeeze |
| 14:23.07 | judd | Package nullmailer (mail, extra) in squeeze/i386: simple relay-only mail transport agent. Version: 1:1.04-1.2; Size: 89.1k; Installed: 388k; Homepage: http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ |
| 14:23.16 | home-alone | i dont want to use oracle controlled office suite thats why i am trying to get LO installed but with no luck so far |
| 14:23.21 | jelly | offers abrotman a cup of mulled wine |
| 14:23.24 | *** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) |
| 14:23.25 | abrotman | thanks! |
| 14:23.32 | jelly | home-alone: you're an idiot |
| 14:23.45 | *** part/#debian ppradhan (~Adium@nagarkot.ddns.uark.edu) |
| 14:23.47 | *** join/#debian efgt (~efgt@host5.190-226-17.telecom.net.ar) |
| 14:23.48 | *** join/#debian PhoenixSTF (~PhoenixST@bl17-143-187.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 14:23.51 | daemonkeeper | I bet you use a lot of Oracle controlled software. |
| 14:23.59 | *** part/#debian Cryp71c (~rburnham@adsl-065-013-247-238.sip.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:24.10 | jelly | home-alone: are you also going to remove Berkeley DB from your installation? |
| 14:24.17 | abrotman | and mysql |
| 14:24.27 | Bushmills | karlpinc: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what%20is%20nullmailer |
| 14:24.32 | abrotman | though .. you should really stop using mysql just cause .. it's mysql |
| 14:24.32 | jelly | abrotman: well a sane person wouldn't have mysql installed anyway ;-) |
| 14:24.37 | daemonkeeper | jelly: Or the Linux kernel ... |
| 14:24.51 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: that's not 'controlled', they contribute |
| 14:24.54 | jelly | daemonkeeper: is not under control of Oracle Corp. |
| 14:24.57 | daemonkeeper | Well, yes |
| 14:25.03 | daemonkeeper | Java then |
| 14:25.25 | cantido | Bushmills: sorry, wasnt looking.. I think I can do it with exim :) |
| 14:25.38 | *** join/#debian Buumi (~quassel@q212.ip2.netikka.fi) |
| 14:25.42 | cantido | nullmailer has smtp auth but not over SSL/TLS.. which was the problem |
| 14:25.52 | *** join/#debian kassah (~textual@Warlock/Developer/Kassah) |
| 14:26.17 | xk | DammitJim: I dont know. |
| 14:26.39 | DammitJim | xk, don't worry... I'm going through it... bc is not getting the right stuff |
| 14:27.10 | catsup | i would say oracle has a pretty high level of control |
| 14:27.12 | jelly | home-alone: let me reiterate: the version of openoffice in Debian 6, ("squeeze") is built using the go-oo tree, and using code before the LO fork-off. In addition, the go-oo tree is pretty much what LibreOffice kept using anyway. Debian and some other distros used that even before the fork happened. |
| 14:27.27 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: Be patient. Libre has only recently released their first stable version. |
| 14:27.45 | jelly | home-alone: there's nothing philosophically wrong with openoffice in squeeze. |
| 14:27.51 | jelly | whatever that meant |
| 14:28.07 | catsup | lol, office software. don't people know about gnu fmt? |
| 14:28.18 | *** join/#debian purgat0ry (purgatory@23-171-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) |
| 14:28.29 | abrotman | catsup: high level of control in what? |
| 14:28.43 | catsup | over the software to which they 'contribute' |
| 14:29.02 | abrotman | but they don't control the project as a whole |
| 14:29.33 | catsup | maybe not |
| 14:29.47 | DammitJim | xk, is this: echo "2048 / 2048" | bc -l supposed to spit out 1.00000000000000000000 ? |
| 14:29.53 | *** join/#debian arnestig (~arnestig@217-208-146-100-no75.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 14:29.54 | cantido | oracle has control over OO forks? |
| 14:29.57 | DammitJim | I get illegal character and syntax error |
| 14:30.00 | xk | DammitJim: yes. |
| 14:30.06 | lapsusbrutus | cantido: no |
| 14:30.11 | xk | DammitJim: if it's a number, it's good. |
| 14:30.35 | cantido | I guess they would have a lot of control over OO itself though.. |
| 14:30.47 | DammitJim | sfdisk -l /dev/$D -uS 2>/dev/null | tr '*' ' ' | grep "${D}${i} " | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 2 -d ' ' returns /dev/: |
| 14:30.50 | DammitJim | that's a problem |
| 14:30.58 | catsup | no they don't have control over forks |
| 14:31.01 | Bushmills | DammitJim: bc -l <<< "2048 / 2048" |
| 14:31.04 | jelly | DammitJim: sounds like some sick shelling |
| 14:31.25 | DammitJim | sorry, $D wasn't devined |
| 14:31.26 | DammitJim | defined |
| 14:31.26 | *** join/#debian rigved (~rigved@116.72.163.243) |
| 14:31.38 | *** join/#debian bixgomez (~bixgomez@c-24-16-37-138.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 14:31.46 | *** join/#debian RobinJ (~Robin@unaffiliated/robinj) |
| 14:31.51 | *** join/#debian passwordoff (~pswrdf@93.191.16.254) |
| 14:32.05 | passwordoff | how to rollback, downgrade to the previous kernel? |
| 14:32.07 | karlpinc | Bushmills: All I seem to get back from the search is the nullmailer program. :-( Is this really more than a proper name? |
| 14:32.08 | catsup | i don't know, i'm not intimately familiar with the development, i don't even use 'office' software, but the very fact of the fork indicates to me that oracle's level of control was considered unacceptable by many developers in the know |
| 14:32.36 | jhutchins_lt | passwordoff: Just select it on reboot. |
| 14:32.44 | lapsusbrutus | cantido: yeah they do. Their control and strict way of handling bug fixes and such was one of the reasons it was forked I think.. I dont think Oracle handled this case very well.. But im sure LibreOffice is going to become a much better office suite fast, letting OOo behind in the dust |
| 14:32.57 | Bushmills | karlpinc: pardon? |
| 14:33.16 | catsup | but, shrug, it's just my rather uninformed personal impression |
| 14:33.18 | karlpinc | Bushmills: You sent me to google to search for null mailer. |
| 14:33.35 | Bushmills | karlpinc: you asked "what is nullmailer" |
| 14:34.03 | *** join/#debian jeremylemaire (~jlemaire@rrcs-208-125-173-10.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 14:34.16 | jelly | there's a perfectly good !nullmailer |
| 14:34.49 | karlpinc | Bushmills: From the discussion it sounded like a noun. But nobody said "just install nullmailer", which seems to be a package (at least according to google). |
| 14:34.53 | cantido | lapsusbrutus: I personally hope that everything oracle "own" will die and forks will take over ;) |
| 14:34.58 | *** part/#debian passwordoff (~pswrdf@93.191.16.254) |
| 14:35.08 | *** join/#debian asias (~asias@2607:f298:1:109::647:652c) |
| 14:35.09 | *** join/#debian guest35456 (~guest3545@81.18.56.123) |
| 14:35.20 | jelly | unlikely, since Oracle seems to be doing quite well in the market |
| 14:35.23 | catsup | but it does seem to me that an argument saying that the merely *legal* possibility of forking implies the absence of corporate control -- is flawed |
| 14:35.25 | Bushmills | karlpinc: who asked was looking for an alternative to nullmailer |
| 14:35.44 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Ah. I see. |
| 14:35.55 | cantido | I asked, I asked for a nullmail that can do smtp auth |
| 14:35.56 | catsup | because there are other factors than legal that can 'lock in' users and developers |
| 14:36.06 | lapsusbrutus | cantido: A also think that there is a slight chance that oracle will follow the cloud hype abandoning the OOo as it is today.. but thats just some thoughts of mine.. Oracle is seen as the devil himself these times, but they do a lot of good things nevertheless I think. Like contributing to the kernel |
| 14:36.08 | cantido | nullmailer can do smtp auth but not over TLS/SSL |
| 14:36.23 | *** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha) |
| 14:36.41 | *** join/#debian gnaruag_ (~gnaruag@122.173.163.4) |
| 14:36.42 | karlpinc | cantido: Seems like any mta that will do smtp auth. Postfix is nice, you can turn off all the parts you don't want so it should do what you want. |
| 14:36.59 | cantido | karlpinc: exim with do it just fine by the look of it :) |
| 14:37.28 | cantido | I only have 64mb of ram though, so I might switch it to something lighter later |
| 14:37.45 | catsup | what is your platform? |
| 14:38.05 | *** join/#debian ferret_ (ferret@gentoo/user/ferret) |
| 14:38.08 | catsup | or is it a virtual machine |
| 14:38.11 | karlpinc | cantido: Like I say. Postfix is moduar and runs multiple independent processes for specific tasks. You should be able to turn off almost everything and get a minimal memory footprint. |
| 14:38.46 | lapsusbrutus | cantido: But I must say I find their ceo Larry Ellison very little linux and OSS friendly.. But that might be my impressions only.. |
| 14:38.49 | cantido | catsup: SH4 |
| 14:38.52 | catsup | karlpinc: can you quantify 'minimal'? |
| 14:39.15 | ranamalo | anyone familiar with mercurial on debian? |
| 14:39.17 | cantido | catsup: SDRAM address space is only 64MB so its not like it can be upgraded ;) |
| 14:39.22 | *** join/#debian FAU (96b94347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.150.185.67.71) |
| 14:39.29 | *** join/#debian rd2b_ (~rd2b@arg62-2-88-160-236-134.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 14:39.43 | Bushmills | cantido: smtp auth with a mail server of your own? |
| 14:39.44 | *** join/#debian aidaho (~aidaho@10-191-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 14:39.45 | catsup | cantido: dreamcast?? |
| 14:40.12 | catsup | ranamalo: barely. just ask. |
| 14:40.16 | jelly | catsup: [postfix] about 9-10MB idling |
| 14:40.24 | *** join/#debian afuentes (~usuario@85.91.64.235) |
| 14:40.40 | cantido | catsup: no, dreamcast has 16MB of system ram IIRC.. that would be painful.. its the same processor though |
| 14:40.58 | *** join/#debian bloodcry (~bloodcry@pdpc/supporter/student/bloodcry) |
| 14:41.00 | FAU | Hi, help, I have this error in cron webalizer: http://pastebin.com/XXxjCnuY |
| 14:41.02 | ranamalo | i want to know if the mercurial package in the lenny/lenny-backports repo is a mercurial server or just a client |
| 14:41.02 | catsup | mine idles at 70MB :p |
| 14:41.10 | jelly | catsup: RES? |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | ranamalo: read the description ? |
| 14:41.24 | ranamalo | there is a package mercurial-server in sid and unstab |
| 14:41.24 | catsup | lol wait what |
| 14:41.27 | catsup | i read it wrong |
| 14:41.37 | ranamalo | abrotman: the description is not clear |
| 14:41.53 | cantido | Bushmills: yeah, I just want system mail to get delivered to my main mail.. the two machines are on the same network and this machine doesnt have a static ip so I need auth |
| 14:41.53 | karlpinc | catsup: No. I'd guess about 20M DSS, less resident, on a very active system. |
| 14:42.14 | cantido | Bushmills: s/are/aren't/ |
| 14:42.14 | abrotman | ranamalo: read the debtags at the bottom .. both |
| 14:42.16 | catsup | RSS 5MB |
| 14:42.33 | *** join/#debian Benkinooby (~Benkinoob@mail.maximilianeum.ch) |
| 14:42.33 | *** join/#debian Benkinooby (~Benkinoob@unaffiliated/benkinooby) |
| 14:43.03 | Bushmills | cantido: i've done away with smtp auth, by .. delegating ... auth - through openvpn. uses ssl, and smtp server is configured to see openvpn subnet as the subnet it allows relaying mail from |
| 14:43.43 | Bushmills | result: relatively little memory footprint, and being able to use this as single key authentication mechanism for many other purposes |
| 14:43.47 | karlpinc | Bushmills: That sounds kind of convenient. |
| 14:43.48 | cantido | Bushmills: I do have openvpn running between the machines.. but it isn't great. it's restarting every few minutes and the moment |
| 14:43.58 | cantido | s/and/at/ |
| 14:44.22 | Bushmills | cantido: no --keep-alive? |
| 14:44.23 | jelly | cantido: both nullmailer and ssmtp should be able to do SMTP AUTH |
| 14:44.43 | cantido | jelly: I think the problem is that it doesnt do auth with SSL |
| 14:44.58 | cantido | would prefer not to broadcast passwords in plain text |
| 14:45.22 | cantido | is too lazy to setup those login methods that arent plain but dont use SSL/TLS |
| 14:45.26 | *** join/#debian jthomas_sb_ (~jthomas_s@nat.sierrabravo.net) |
| 14:45.30 | jelly | cantido: use a challenge/response auth mechanism? |
| 14:45.34 | jelly | ah |
| 14:46.11 | cantido | Bushmills: yeah,.. it restarts a lot. I'm not totally sure why |
| 14:46.22 | *** join/#debian wald0 (~wald0@170.Red-79-153-120.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:46.29 | *** join/#debian foka (~foka@183.184.94.47) |
| 14:46.55 | *** join/#debian skystar (sky@111.172.234.142) |
| 14:47.08 | wald0 | i have just downloaded the netinstall, im just shocked trying to select reiserfs (3) for my partitions and see that it is not available ? i dont understand.. |
| 14:47.11 | cantido | I'm behind some weird resnet-like thing I think and thats causing it to fall over all the time |
| 14:47.43 | DammitJim | xk, are you still there? |
| 14:48.25 | xk | DammitJim: yeah. but will probably go to sleep in 15-30 mins |
| 14:48.29 | *** join/#debian Speed` (~Curry@cpc2-nfds7-0-0-cust218.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 14:48.49 | DammitJim | what do you get when you run just sfdisk -l /dev/sda -uS 2>/dev/null? |
| 14:49.02 | *** part/#debian tobago (~crolle@unaffiliated/tobago) |
| 14:49.03 | *** join/#debian Roksteady (~mikaelf@pdpc/supporter/active/roksteady) |
| 14:49.08 | DammitJim | oh, weird |
| 14:49.19 | xk | DammitJim: same output |
| 14:49.20 | DammitJim | why does the script chop it off? |
| 14:50.19 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 14:50.50 | *** join/#debian Chinaboy (Chinaboy@118.75.192.34) |
| 14:50.56 | xk | I can see the problem is earlier than that |
| 14:50.58 | Chinaboy | test |
| 14:51.02 | *** part/#debian larsl (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/larsl) |
| 14:51.03 | DammitJim | hhhmmm |
| 14:51.04 | Chinaboy | test type |
| 14:51.07 | xk | it does "sfdisk -l /dev/ -uS" |
| 14:51.17 | Chinaboy | do u receive |
| 14:51.31 | xk | Chinaboy: signal is received |
| 14:51.41 | Chinaboy | thankx |
| 14:51.45 | *** part/#debian jackhill (jackhill@pilot.trilug.org) |
| 14:52.25 | Chinaboy | i use livecd linux system |
| 14:52.48 | Chinaboy | but i can`t mount sata harddrive |
| 14:52.59 | *** join/#debian ecc (~ecc@pool-173-75-141-44.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 14:53.09 | Chinaboy | i use mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mnt/hd/C |
| 14:53.22 | xk | does /mnt/hd/C exist? |
| 14:53.28 | Chinaboy | or mount -t auto /dev/c0d0 /mnt/hd/C |
| 14:53.39 | Chinaboy | the same to result |
| 14:53.44 | *** join/#debian afuentes (~usuario@85.91.64.235) |
| 14:53.50 | cantido | sata disk is going to be /dev/sd?? unless thats changed again.. |
| 14:54.14 | Chinaboy | ye |
| 14:54.15 | xk | Chinaboy: which livecd? |
| 14:54.28 | Chinaboy | kno***** |
| 14:54.36 | *** join/#debian dayton_tux (~fdernevil@216.68.101.35) |
| 14:54.48 | xk | knoppix? |
| 14:55.04 | Chinaboy | ye ye |
| 14:55.05 | *** join/#debian texel (~texel@74.125.59.49) |
| 14:55.13 | *** join/#debian bp0 (~bp@unaffiliated/bp0) |
| 14:55.15 | xk | how old is it |
| 14:55.32 | Chinaboy | forget |
| 14:55.45 | xk | if it's too old, then the device would be /dev/hdx, but if you have newer hardware, then it wont work. |
| 14:56.08 | Chinaboy | but i use fdisk -l,it can`t find anything. |
| 14:56.18 | xk | ok |
| 14:56.33 | xk | best to find another livecd |
| 14:56.41 | Chinaboy | ok,i type fdisk -l. |
| 14:56.45 | jhutchins_lt | Chinaboy: Chances are it doesn't support your I/O controller chipset then. Find out how old it is and see if there's a new one. |
| 14:57.01 | Chinaboy | result is space. |
| 14:58.35 | Chinaboy | i think not the hardware problem. |
| 14:58.53 | xk | do you know what version of knoppix? |
| 14:58.59 | xk | what about hardware? is it a new computer / server? |
| 14:59.25 | *** join/#debian calisto (~calisto@unaffiliated/calisto) |
| 14:59.34 | *** join/#debian eshat (~eshat@2001:638:504:c018:226:2dff:fef6:1d80) |
| 14:59.56 | Chinaboy | do u think the bios configuration not right? |
| 14:59.59 | *** join/#debian vittorio (~vittorio@host28.200-80-164.static.telmex.net.ar) |
| 15:00.18 | Chinaboy | i`m sorry,that CD not in my side. |
| 15:00.38 | *** join/#debian sllide (~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 15:00.38 | cantido | Chinaboy: take a look a dmesg |
| 15:00.45 | cantido | Chinaboy: see if it detects the controller/disk |
| 15:01.27 | *** join/#debian abcd82 (~abcd@109.110.18.181) |
| 15:01.43 | Chinaboy | cpu AMD Sempron 3600+ AM2 |
| 15:01.58 | Chinaboy | mainborad is nForce 520 |
| 15:02.06 | *** join/#debian ZykoticK9 (~zykotick9@66.11.174.71) |
| 15:02.11 | *** join/#debian cahoot (~radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 15:02.19 | cantido | Chinaboy: run "dmesg | more" and check if your disks are getting picked up |
| 15:02.20 | Chinaboy | memory is 1G |
| 15:02.23 | *** join/#debian jthomas (~jthomas_s@email.armstrongrepair.com) |
| 15:02.46 | Chinaboy | this is a machine |
| 15:02.52 | Chinaboy | old machine |
| 15:03.36 | Chinaboy | ok,thanks all. |
| 15:03.39 | *** join/#debian jaytaph (~jaytaph@83.232.96.217) |
| 15:04.25 | Chinaboy | why i can`t chat in ##linux #archlinux ? |
| 15:05.02 | *** join/#debian cobra-the-joker (~Nour_Mans@41.131.80.215) |
| 15:05.23 | ZykoticK9 | Chinaboy, you might need to register your nic with Freenode before you can enter those channels (just a guess) |
| 15:05.49 | Chinaboy | oh,i see. |
| 15:06.05 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... is the debian stable release named 6.0.1a ? |
| 15:06.19 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: just the CD images have that numbering |
| 15:06.21 | Chinaboy | how to register? |
| 15:06.32 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , ok |
| 15:06.39 | abrotman | Chinaboy: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:06.40 | daemonkeeper | Chinaboy: Please ask such questions in #freenode (also see /msg nickserv help) |
| 15:06.40 | Chinaboy | by mirc ? or web ? or bbs? |
| 15:06.46 | abrotman | Chinaboy: /join #freenode for more help |
| 15:07.14 | Chinaboy | i try it |
| 15:07.31 | *** join/#debian sacredchao (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nike) |
| 15:07.54 | *** part/#debian ozgurkuru (d49c3e9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.156.62.158) |
| 15:08.30 | *** part/#debian jujugre (~julienb@artis3.probesys.com) |
| 15:08.39 | DammitJim | xk, I got it to work |
| 15:08.43 | DammitJim | this is my output |
| 15:09.05 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/sch4hHyc -> is that good or bad? LOL |
| 15:09.36 | xk | looks wrong |
| 15:09.49 | DammitJim | dammit! |
| 15:10.06 | xk | wrong as in... it's calculated wrongly. |
| 15:10.13 | DammitJim | this is my other computer: http://pastebin.com/T4T9hf5k |
| 15:10.16 | DammitJim | oh LOL |
| 15:10.42 | xk | ok.. that one looks better |
| 15:10.55 | *** join/#debian yves (foobar@agostini.univ-metz.fr) |
| 15:10.56 | xk | #1 and #3 are aligned OK, 2,4,5,6 are not aligned. |
| 15:11.17 | DammitJim | because those are whole numbers? |
| 15:11.21 | xk | yes |
| 15:11.26 | DammitJim | ah! |
| 15:11.52 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 15:12.38 | *** join/#debian rtye (~rtye@host175.190-139-141.telecom.net.ar) |
| 15:13.03 | *** join/#debian L-Strife89 (~Strife89@168.16.232.173) |
| 15:13.16 | *** join/#debian Chinaboy (Chinaboy@118.75.192.34) |
| 15:14.23 | *** join/#debian mastroWork (~Daniele@85-18-52-10.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 15:14.37 | *** join/#debian ali3n0 (~alieno@93-32-190-131.ip34.fastwebnet.it) |
| 15:14.59 | *** join/#debian selbeimanti` (~sarefo@xdsl-213-196-210-187.netcologne.de) |
| 15:15.26 | *** join/#debian peppe (~peppe@unaffiliated/peppe) |
| 15:15.32 | xk | although I do have a green drive that sometimes performs badly :) |
| 15:15.38 | xk | after 1 month of use. |
| 15:16.08 | xk | like 10MB/sec, instead of 90MB/sec (write) |
| 15:16.08 | DammitJim | oh gosh |
| 15:16.25 | DammitJim | mine has been bursting up to 90MB/sec |
| 15:16.28 | *** join/#debian karlpinc (~kop@meme-net.meme.com) |
| 15:16.31 | *** join/#debian pyrony (~epic@108.122.91.191) |
| 15:16.35 | *** join/#debian pif (~ldm@80.10.79.232) |
| 15:16.50 | pif | hi, what is /etc/pam.d/login used for? |
| 15:17.00 | pif | when I login at the console? |
| 15:17.14 | *** join/#debian jthomas_sb (~jthomas_s@nat.sierrabravo.net) |
| 15:17.24 | Chinaboy | sorry,i can`t register in #archlinux. |
| 15:17.46 | *** join/#debian Acony (~aleksanda@78.155.58.192) |
| 15:18.07 | ElDiabolo | pif, head /etc/pam.d/login |
| 15:18.31 | abrotman | Chinaboy: go to #freenode to ask .. this is not the place to ask about that |
| 15:18.59 | Chinaboy | oh |
| 15:19.03 | ElDiabolo | pif, Sorry, that only explains the first option |
| 15:20.05 | *** join/#debian sneezewort (~hbarrett@129.24.63.254) |
| 15:20.27 | *** join/#debian batrick (~batrick@nmap/developer/batrick) |
| 15:22.02 | *** join/#debian sandlst (~sandlst@131.204.254.71) |
| 15:22.52 | Chinaboy | help |
| 15:23.42 | abrotman | Chinaboy: go to #freenode to ask .. this is not the place to ask about that |
| 15:23.42 | *** join/#debian Archtivity (~Archtivit@std93-11-88-172-111-60.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 15:24.26 | *** join/#debian witchdoc (~karsten@unaffiliated/witchdoc) |
| 15:24.50 | Chinaboy | help |
| 15:25.16 | *** join/#debian Roma_39m (~mirc@93-40-139-141.ip39.fastwebnet.it) |
| 15:25.31 | *** join/#debian proller (~proller@2a02:6b8:0:402:44bc:c7ef:f9af:1470) |
| 15:25.33 | *** join/#debian Texou (~Texou@unaffiliated/texou) |
| 15:26.00 | abrotman | Chinaboy: go to #freenode to ask .. this is not the place to ask about that |
| 15:26.14 | *** join/#debian bloodcry (~bloodcry@pdpc/supporter/student/bloodcry) |
| 15:26.30 | jelly | Chinaboy: /join #freenode |
| 15:26.37 | abrotman | Chinaboy: /join #freenode .. ask for help there |
| 15:27.27 | *** join/#debian geekosopher (~nitesh@unaffiliated/mistrynitesh) |
| 15:27.41 | *** join/#debian ga_bash (~gaurav@113.193.131.65) |
| 15:29.18 | *** join/#debian mahmood-RM (~mahmood-R@205.204.65.221) |
| 15:29.41 | *** join/#debian pyrony (~epic@173-126-243-102.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 15:30.14 | *** join/#debian Leoneof (~Leon@unaffiliated/leoneof) |
| 15:31.55 | *** join/#debian witchdoc_ (~karsten@unaffiliated/witchdoc) |
| 15:32.42 | *** join/#debian Gottaname (~Gottaname@bb121-6-177-218.singnet.com.sg) |
| 15:33.18 | ecc | hello - it looks like my nick was dropped and re-registered by someone else. But it hasn't been used for a while, so can I get it back, please? |
| 15:33.38 | daemonkeeper | ecc: -> #freenode (if anything) |
| 15:35.02 | *** join/#debian yang2 (yang@freenode/sponsor/cacert.assurer.yang) |
| 15:35.04 | ecc | daemonkeeper: sorry, wrong channel |
| 15:36.23 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-45702956.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 15:36.48 | *** join/#debian Chatty (~Chatty@77.215.149.86) |
| 15:36.49 | *** join/#debian heg (~heg@dyn.83-228-154-012.dsl.vtx.ch) |
| 15:36.54 | *** join/#debian Anubisss__ (~anubisss@77.111.167.112) |
| 15:37.02 | *** part/#debian dawud (~dawud@161.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 15:37.18 | *** join/#debian chthon (~chris@customer12956.pool1.unallocated-110-192.orangehomedsl.co.uk) |
| 15:38.06 | *** join/#debian kopotrik (~kopotrik@athedsl-133223.home.otenet.gr) |
| 15:38.22 | onura | Can I remove usb flash disk after boot debian-live from same disk? |
| 15:38.38 | *** join/#debian Rienzilla (rien@sinas.rename-it.nl) |
| 15:38.47 | onura | it's not possible i guess what a stupid question |
| 15:39.18 | kopotrik | mmm i cant make nouveau or nvidia (both package and nvidia's installer) run on sid 2.6.38-2-amd64 |
| 15:39.24 | kopotrik | i get a black screen. |
| 15:39.29 | kopotrik | only vesa works |
| 15:39.30 | *** join/#debian Vutral_ (awJXJg6Bhu@vutral.net) |
| 15:40.26 | *** join/#debian stevieman (~Longfield@dynamic-66-102-71-5.wtccommunications.ca) |
| 15:40.40 | *** join/#debian Bird|ghosted (~kb1rd@h8.163.23.98.static.ip.windstream.net) |
| 15:40.40 | *** join/#debian Bird|ghosted (~kb1rd@unaffiliated/htt-bird) |
| 15:40.41 | *** join/#debian Savis (c624a55a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.36.165.90) |
| 15:40.48 | jelly | kopotrik: hm, nvidia worked for me on a custom .38 build until I pulled the card out |
| 15:40.57 | Savis | good morning! |
| 15:41.25 | kopotrik | jelly after the pull? |
| 15:42.00 | Savis | if the card worked why would you pull it? |
| 15:42.20 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~tensorpud@99.32.63.28) |
| 15:42.21 | jelly | kopotrik: using onboard intel |
| 15:42.22 | *** join/#debian dawud (~dawud@161.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 15:43.10 | *** join/#debian dlong (~dlong@63.75.14.2) |
| 15:43.42 | jelly | Savis: it was in this machine for testing purposes |
| 15:43.56 | *** join/#debian tuv (~tuv@unaffiliated/tuv) |
| 15:43.57 | Savis | ok then |
| 15:44.11 | *** join/#debian thomasfuston (~thomas@nrbg-4dbe6488.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 15:44.54 | dlong | I am having a weird issue with the debian-installer. I am trying to remove a previously created LVM partition. I can't seem to find a way to remove the partition through the installer, so if I go to another terminal, I can pvremove /dev/sda7, but in the manual partition layout it still thinks that /dev/sda7 is being used by LVM. Any suggestions? |
| 15:45.00 | *** join/#debian lucagiove (~luca@93-36-129-84.ip60.fastwebnet.it) |
| 15:45.45 | *** join/#debian dekar_ (~dekar@2001:41b8:9bf:fe74:f2b4:79ff:fe19:6308) |
| 15:45.49 | *** join/#debian SlickT10 (~SlickT10@66.110.220.207) |
| 15:45.51 | *** part/#debian lucagiove (~luca@93-36-129-84.ip60.fastwebnet.it) |
| 15:46.00 | jhutchins_lt | LVM to the rescue again! |
| 15:46.08 | Savis | lol |
| 15:46.33 | jhutchins_lt | kopotrik: What's your hardware? |
| 15:46.34 | *** join/#debian err404 (~err404@2a01:e35:8a1c:7b20:214:85ff:fe32:af1d) |
| 15:46.42 | jelly | dlong: you first need to remove any upper layers depending on that PV -- remove that PV from its VG, or if it's the only one, nuke the VG completely first |
| 15:46.56 | *** join/#debian nevyn (~nevyn@124-168-205-119.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 15:47.18 | jelly | dlong: vgreduce vgname /dev/pv-device |
| 15:47.20 | kopotrik | jhutchins, gt215 (geforce gt 240) |
| 15:47.48 | jhutchins_lt | onura: Some of the dedicated live distros have that option, but afik not the Debian Live images. |
| 15:48.45 | dlong | jelly: I do a vgscan and a vgdisplay and there is none listed |
| 15:49.10 | *** join/#debian RoozbehOnline (~rosha@91.99.239.87) |
| 15:49.19 | *** join/#debian hkof11 (~hk@2001:da8:207:e147:222:68ff:fe13:6301) |
| 15:49.49 | *** join/#debian wieshka (~wieshka@84.237.180.198) |
| 15:49.49 | *** join/#debian dserban (~dserban@S0106001346beb5f3.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 15:50.21 | *** join/#debian Miesco_ (~mugsy@142.155.34.104) |
| 15:50.25 | dlong | jelly: vgdisplay returns No volume groups found |
| 15:50.41 | dlong | jelly: pvscan shows /dev/sda7 |
| 15:50.50 | *** join/#debian ola (~user@unaffiliated/ola) |
| 15:51.01 | *** join/#debian sacredchao (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nike) |
| 15:51.20 | dlong | jelly: I do a pvremove /dev/sda7, then go into the partition setup and it still thinks that the partition is in use by LVM. |
| 15:51.46 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@99-196-115-2.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 15:52.12 | *** join/#debian ymasory_ (~ymasory@frank.ldc.upenn.edu) |
| 15:54.08 | *** join/#debian kevin6888296 (~metta@cpe-76-168-0-89.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 15:54.34 | *** part/#debian kevin6888296 (~metta@cpe-76-168-0-89.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 15:54.52 | *** join/#debian Jippi_mac (~jippignu@90.185.154.214) |
| 15:55.04 | *** join/#debian Gilde (~Gilde@dslb-092-076-128-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:55.06 | *** part/#debian hkof11 (~hk@2001:da8:207:e147:222:68ff:fe13:6301) |
| 15:55.55 | *** join/#debian Sia- (~Sia-@unaffiliated/desian) |
| 15:56.26 | kopotrik | jhutchins, i installed both drivers from nvidia and nvidia-glx |
| 15:56.27 | *** join/#debian Malmis (malmis@c83-253-12-116.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 15:57.17 | rgr | dlong: I had that a while ago. I searched high and low and got nowhere. In the end I did an entire re-install. |
| 15:57.44 | jhutchins_lt | kopotrik: Usually only one of them works. What's the PCIID? |
| 15:58.13 | dlong | rgr: I think that may be the route that I am forced to go |
| 15:58.19 | *** join/#debian sandlst (~sandlst@131.204.254.72) |
| 15:58.25 | dlong | seems like a bug in the installer to me |
| 15:58.37 | jhutchins_lt | LVM ftw! |
| 15:59.03 | nevyn | lvm is awesome |
| 15:59.16 | kopotrik | jhutchins, how i get that? |
| 15:59.30 | xk | lvm <3 |
| 16:00.18 | *** join/#debian bloodcry (~bloodcry@pdpc/supporter/student/bloodcry) |
| 16:00.49 | *** join/#debian Malmis (malmis@c83-253-12-116.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 16:00.59 | jhutchins_lt | kopotrik: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 16:01.21 | kopotrik | 10de:0ca3 |
| 16:01.30 | *** join/#debian mahmood-RM (~mahmood-R@205.204.65.221) |
| 16:01.33 | jhutchins_lt | pciid 10de:0ca3 |
| 16:01.40 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 10de:0ca3 |
| 16:01.41 | judd | [10de:0ca3] is 'GT215 [GeForce GT 240]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0ca3 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 16:01.57 | *** join/#debian ferr (~ferr@testing.vpn6.6net.hu) |
| 16:01.58 | *** join/#debian pyrony (~epic@office1.klout.com) |
| 16:02.00 | *** join/#debian rtye (~rtye@213.232.200.162) |
| 16:03.19 | jorgp | how can you find out what packages tasksel selected? |
| 16:04.08 | kopotrik | jhutchins, so any idea from where to start |
| 16:04.32 | *** join/#debian foka_ (~foka@221.205.88.242) |
| 16:04.42 | *** join/#debian satellit_f15 (~satellit@208-100-148-220.bendbroadband.com) |
| 16:05.13 | *** join/#debian omeddragon (~omeddrago@pool-71-178-234-18.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 16:05.13 | jhutchins_lt | kopotrik: Oh, you're on sid. No. |
| 16:05.20 | stevieman | I have to install or include the aic-94xx.fw file for my server to bootup without that file being on a USB key. Any ideas on hot I do this in Debian? I've found how to do it in Ubuntu |
| 16:05.34 | cantido | stevieman: install one of the firmware packages |
| 16:05.50 | stevieman | cantido: right, but how do I do that? |
| 16:06.08 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@117.192.201.115) |
| 16:06.08 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 16:06.22 | cantido | stevieman: the package name on ubuntu might be the same as on debian.. |
| 16:06.58 | ZykoticK9 | stevieman, i believe you could just copy the firmware file to /sys/firmware |
| 16:07.08 | stevieman | cantido: the file I have that lets me boot my server is aic94xx-seq.fw |
| 16:07.26 | *** join/#debian Tuxist (~quassel@dyndsl-085-016-199-007.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 16:07.34 | *** join/#debian c1ph3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/det3ct1v3) |
| 16:07.46 | cantido | stevieman: you can copy in manually to /lib/fw IIRC .. there are packages for most of the firmware blobs though |
| 16:07.55 | cantido | its possible its in the linux nonfree firmware package |
| 16:08.01 | cantido | ZykoticK9: /sys isnt a real fs |
| 16:08.17 | lusotux | hi stevieman |
| 16:08.18 | lusotux | :) |
| 16:08.28 | ZykoticK9 | stevieman, listen to cantido's directions, ignore mine (sorry, my bad) |
| 16:08.30 | stevieman | hi lusotux :) |
| 16:08.47 | stevieman | ZykoticK9: no problem |
| 16:08.59 | Savis | ok guys im gona give this one last shot LMAO /dives in to samba |
| 16:09.18 | stevieman | cantido: When I check the /lib/fw dir I see the file listed but it's green? |
| 16:10.10 | cantido | doesnt have colouring.. so doesnt now what "green" means |
| 16:10.39 | cantido | stevieman: thats firmware for a SATA controller or something? |
| 16:10.48 | Bushmills | associates "green" with "rocking boats" |
| 16:10.50 | stevieman | cantido: Yep adaptec |
| 16:10.57 | *** join/#debian Zylvain (~Zylvain@2a01:e35:8a07:4aa0:215:afff:fea2:cf66) |
| 16:11.00 | *** join/#debian gnusosa (~ron@unaffiliated/gnusosa) |
| 16:11.01 | cantido | stevieman: ok, so it would need to be in your initramfs I guess |
| 16:11.14 | ZykoticK9 | stevieman, green typically means UGO all have RWX |
| 16:11.25 | *** join/#debian flokuehn (~flokuehn@62.48.92.62) |
| 16:11.33 | *** join/#debian Zeit|awy (~wurscht@HSI-KBW-109-193-077-147.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 16:11.35 | *** join/#debian RichiH (~richih@freenode/staff/richih) |
| 16:11.37 | stevieman | cantido: is there a howto on how to do that? |
| 16:11.52 | cantido | stevieman: i.e. you can't load firmware from /lib/fw before you have the disk mounted.. I'm not sure how the initramfs scripts deal with that |
| 16:11.54 | *** join/#debian Fill (~Fill@static.195.170.4.46.clients.your-server.de) |
| 16:12.05 | ws2k3 | if i wanne partitionate on a software raid do i need LVM then? |
| 16:12.07 | *** join/#debian toxboi (~toxboi@unaffiliated/toxbot) |
| 16:12.09 | *** join/#debian claw (~claw@109.73.51.163) |
| 16:12.11 | *** join/#debian architekt (archi@irc.coding4coffee.org) |
| 16:12.17 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (~stoffe@h-120-45.A254.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 16:12.25 | cantido | ws2k3: you can use md for raids without LVM |
| 16:12.41 | *** join/#debian macrobat (~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.A328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 16:12.48 | *** join/#debian yyzz (~quassel@82.178.111.208) |
| 16:12.50 | *** join/#debian Gurty (~princess@APuteaux-651-1-223-225.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:12.52 | *** join/#debian _xD (~rtye@host175.190-139-141.telecom.net.ar) |
| 16:12.54 | *** join/#debian PaulCrisp (~PaulCrisp@109.239.96.190) |
| 16:13.10 | ws2k3 | yeah i know |
| 16:13.23 | ws2k3 | but i wanne create partitions inside my raid |
| 16:13.37 | jhutchins_lt | You need to rebuild the initramfs with the firmware in it. |
| 16:13.44 | cantido | ws2k3: so put LVM over the raid? |
| 16:13.53 | pipeline | ws2k3: you CAN partition mdadm devices directly, but it's not recommended. Use LVM if at all possible. |
| 16:13.56 | cantido | ws2k3: keep /boot on a simple partion though |
| 16:14.13 | nevyn | pipeline: you can't partition md devices. |
| 16:14.36 | pipeline | nevyn: yes you can |
| 16:14.53 | pipeline | nevyn: it uses a different major/minor number than regular md devices, "mdp" devices |
| 16:15.02 | pipeline | nevyn: not a good idea though -- LVM is almost always the better choice |
| 16:15.07 | stevieman | cantido: I've found this: http://serverfault.com/questions/121364/ibm-hostraid-not-detected-when-installing-ubuntu-server-9-10 |
| 16:15.27 | nevyn | pipeline: but partitions support write barriers unlike lvm .. hrm |
| 16:15.31 | cantido | stevieman: It might just be a case of installing the firmware and then rebuilding the initramfs.. |
| 16:15.48 | *** join/#debian chaisen (~chaisen@p4FD496A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:16.08 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 16:16.13 | *** join/#debian phogg (~phogg@173-10-190-217-BusName-washingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 16:16.30 | *** part/#debian rigved (~rigved@116.72.163.243) |
| 16:16.31 | jhutchins_lt | !initramfs |
| 16:16.32 | dpkg | well, initramfs is the new <initrd>. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>. See also <targeted>. http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#debian MessedUpHare (~stewart@cpc8-acto3-2-0-cust6.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 16:16.56 | *** join/#debian ajikeshi (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi) |
| 16:17.01 | *** join/#debian TMKCodes (~TMKCodes@84-253-252-134.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 16:17.01 | *** join/#debian TMKCodes (~TMKCodes@unaffiliated/tmkcodes) |
| 16:17.02 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: do the scripts handle copying in firmware? |
| 16:17.30 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: I would guess his initramfs doesnt have it because it was built at install time and those non-free packages werent installed.. |
| 16:17.37 | pipeline | nevyn: write barriers don't matter on an MD device, because you don't have write caching anyway |
| 16:17.40 | jhutchins_lt | I think so, might need to specify an option |
| 16:17.53 | stevieman | cantido: That is exactly what happened |
| 16:17.53 | pipeline | nevyn: there's no safe way to configure individual drive caching in a RAID5 environment |
| 16:17.55 | nevyn | pipeline: hrm. |
| 16:18.06 | nevyn | pipeline: yeah you're right. |
| 16:18.22 | cantido | stevieman: just a sec, I need to refresh myself with the initramfs scripts.. |
| 16:18.32 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Wow, and here I've paid hundreds of dollars for RAM cache on my RAID controllers. |
| 16:18.36 | stevieman | cantido: no problem, appreciate the help |
| 16:19.43 | *** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@93.186.151.239) |
| 16:19.51 | cantido | stevieman: I thin, not 100%, update-initramfs -k all -u, has worked when I have had an initramfs with a module missing |
| 16:20.24 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: then you don't need write barriers |
| 16:20.32 | *** join/#debian redspirit (~redspirit@85.125.102.19) |
| 16:20.35 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: because caching is handled by the RAID controller, and mdadm is not involved |
| 16:20.44 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: also your RAID controller disables individual drive caches btw |
| 16:20.53 | stevieman | cantido: is there a way to backup the initramfs before I try that? |
| 16:20.55 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: that's why it has monster RAM of its own -- losing that 8/16/32/64 per drive is brutal |
| 16:21.05 | *** join/#debian Rockj (rockj@rockj.net) |
| 16:21.14 | cantido | stevieman: you shouldn't need to, if all goes wrong boot up with the d-i disk |
| 16:21.48 | *** join/#debian _xD (~rtye@213.232.200.162) |
| 16:21.58 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: It lives in /boot. |
| 16:22.11 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: Just copy the file somewhere. |
| 16:22.18 | *** join/#debian MadViking (~user@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe8efb00-63.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 16:22.30 | cantido | stevieman: how are you booting now though? |
| 16:23.03 | *** join/#debian mersault (~mersault@74.198.9.62) |
| 16:23.18 | *** join/#debian ryan_46 (~ryan@75-95-184-93.mfd.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 16:23.44 | stevieman | cantido: If I have my USB key in the computer then it boots fine, no USB key in the computer hangs at flashing cursor |
| 16:24.01 | cantido | stevieman: you have d-i on your usb key? |
| 16:24.22 | cantido | or did you manager to install /boot on usb? :/ |
| 16:24.22 | stevieman | cantido: no I don't I've never heard of d-i before |
| 16:24.29 | cantido | debian installer |
| 16:24.44 | cantido | s/manager/manage/ |
| 16:25.12 | stevieman | cantido: :) no I didn't do that. the aic-94xx-seq.fw file is on the USB key |
| 16:25.32 | cantido | and it loads it from there at boot? |
| 16:25.34 | stevieman | cantido: I don't think I could get d-i on a 2 gig USB key |
| 16:25.41 | stevieman | cantido: yep |
| 16:25.41 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: So what we're actually talking about here is updating the installer image? |
| 16:25.41 | cantido | wonders how that works |
| 16:25.58 | *** join/#debian Chatty (~Chatty@77.215.149.86) |
| 16:26.04 | stevieman | jhutchins_lt: if you say so :) |
| 16:26.17 | cantido | stevieman: is debian installed already? |
| 16:26.25 | *** join/#debian sveva65 (~sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) |
| 16:26.27 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: If that's the case, you need to read the install guide about firmware. |
| 16:26.29 | jhutchins_lt | !ig |
| 16:26.29 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 16:26.41 | stevieman | I just want to get that file off the USB key on onto my sstem so I can boot without the USB key installed |
| 16:27.04 | cantido | I'm just trying to work out how it knows the firmware file is on the usb drive.. |
| 16:27.18 | *** join/#debian _stefanos_ (~stefanos@213-66-167.netrun.cytanet.com.cy) |
| 16:27.39 | *** join/#debian RoozbehOnline (~rosha@91.99.232.150) |
| 16:27.42 | stevieman | cantido: I gave up wondering that sometime last night :) |
| 16:27.54 | *** join/#debian lord_rob (robert@235.124-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 16:27.54 | *** join/#debian lord_rob (robert@unaffiliated/lord-rob/x-573835) |
| 16:27.58 | *** join/#debian s1m0ne (~chatzilla@brln-4db93dae.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 16:28.22 | cantido | stevieman: when you say flashing cursor.. is that before grub? |
| 16:28.36 | *** join/#debian tuxampol (~mexalokeq@ppp-188-174-76-152.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 16:28.36 | *** join/#debian Levi (~levi501d@173-8-248-29-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 16:28.37 | cantido | if your system can't mount root you should get a panic really |
| 16:29.05 | stevieman | cantido: yep I don't get to Grub |
| 16:29.06 | cantido | actually with the debian initramfs you get a "timeout waiting for root" I think |
| 16:29.18 | _stefanos_ | good evening everyone. i just ran the latest updates (wheezy, x86) and my onboard card which i use for VoIP became the default one and my PCI sound card second. I have tried to find /etc/modprobe.d/sound, but i cannot find it anything. only certain .conf files. |
| 16:29.22 | cantido | stevieman: ok, I dont think thats to do with the firmware being on the usb key then |
| 16:29.26 | _stefanos_ | how to switch it as it was please? |
| 16:29.28 | _stefanos_ | thank you |
| 16:29.33 | cantido | stevieman: I think thats your bios settings |
| 16:30.02 | stevieman | cantido: the only thing I changed was key out, flashing cursor, key in boot up fine |
| 16:30.16 | cantido | stevieman: check your boot order |
| 16:30.37 | cantido | stevieman: if its a problem with the firmware files it will be long after grub has loaded and the kernel starts running |
| 16:30.44 | stevieman | cantido: I wil once I finish transfering a tonne of files |
| 16:30.54 | cantido | stevieman: and you should get dropped into a busybox shell if root its mountable |
| 16:31.00 | cantido | s/its/isnt/ |
| 16:31.10 | cantido | <3 busybox |
| 16:31.48 | stevieman | cancantido: the only files on my USB key are aic94xx-sew.fw and ldlinux.sys |
| 16:31.49 | mersault | Hello. This morning I ran the latest squeeze updates on my Xen dom0, and rebooted. Now, the Xen hypervisor loads, but then promptly reboots. I get no error (that I have time to see at least). It just reboots instantly. I can see that grub has the wrong hd set as root, but even fixing that doesn't resolve the problem. |
| 16:32.11 | cantido | stevieman: mmm when you boot do you get grub? |
| 16:32.23 | stevieman | cantido: yep |
| 16:32.24 | *** join/#debian HackeMate (~hXm@169.Red-88-12-201.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:33.27 | *** join/#debian Hut (~ubuser@84.113.162.46) |
| 16:33.50 | cantido | stevieman: check your boot order and make sure your harddisk is set as highest priority |
| 16:34.02 | *** join/#debian Leoneof (~Leon@unaffiliated/leoneof) |
| 16:34.02 | *** join/#debian home-alone (~home-alon@116.71.175.230) |
| 16:34.11 | stevieman | I know for sure right now that the CDrom is #1 |
| 16:34.12 | cantido | maybe you have something on your usb key that is booting and loading grub.. but I dont see it |
| 16:35.46 | home-alone | Hi , why Libre Ofice is not in repos yet...??? |
| 16:36.15 | thomasfuston | you asked this already today^^ |
| 16:37.25 | tensorpudding | you can get it from the backports |
| 16:37.42 | tensorpudding | i think |
| 16:37.56 | home-alone | but i didnt get the answer . I am forced to use company made office suite . I want community made one |
| 16:38.32 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: It has not passed the requirements for stable. They only released their first stable version in January. |
| 16:38.35 | *** join/#debian ryan_46 (~ryan@75-95-184-93.mfd.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 16:38.38 | cantido | home-alone: if you're on stable you wont get radically different software one day out of the blue |
| 16:38.49 | cantido | that goes against how stable works |
| 16:38.58 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: It may be an ongoing project, but forking it can cause problems which need ironing out. |
| 16:39.13 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: Now that it's in testing, if it doesn't screw things up it can be backported. |
| 16:39.23 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: First we have to know it doesn't screw things up. |
| 16:39.24 | *** join/#debian _sh3 (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sh3/x-62271040) |
| 16:39.36 | jhutchins_lt | !tell home-alone about overview |
| 16:39.48 | *** part/#debian _sh3 (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sh3/x-62271040) |
| 16:40.08 | tensorpudding | company-made or not, it conforms to the DFSG...so what does it matter |
| 16:40.12 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: OpenOffice is a community built suite. |
| 16:40.33 | jhutchins_lt | 99% of LibreOffice comes from OpenOffice anyway. |
| 16:40.43 | home-alone | then why fork it at all...??? |
| 16:41.02 | tensorpudding | i thought the fork was due to doubts about oracle's committment |
| 16:41.36 | cantido | tensorpudding: and oracle being "A hostile upstream" I would guess |
| 16:41.39 | *** join/#debian mohamed-ragab (~mohamed@41.232.105.170) |
| 16:42.01 | tensorpudding | why the idea that they're hostile? |
| 16:42.33 | tensorpudding | i guess if they took their cancellation of opensolaris the wrong way |
| 16:42.50 | *** join/#debian _sh3 (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sh3/x-62271040) |
| 16:42.56 | *** join/#debian cowboycoder (~swettk@67.63.68.102) |
| 16:43.05 | cantido | tensorpudding: they sue everyone they can |
| 16:43.35 | home-alone | i want to use foss in its full spirit |
| 16:43.39 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: It was forked so that changes could be managed in a different way and perhaps applied faster. |
| 16:43.49 | *** join/#debian Parsifal (~steven@CPE-121-217-146-59.lnse2.cht.bigpond.net.au) |
| 16:43.49 | cantido | tensorpudding: that mix up over the hudson trademark was funny too |
| 16:43.50 | tensorpudding | i'm partly convinced they bought Sun just to sue Google |
| 16:43.55 | jhutchins_lt | You can read the reasons on the Libre web site. |
| 16:43.58 | *** join/#debian mersault_ (~mersault@CPE00222d1c32d5-CM00222d1c32d1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:44.04 | cantido | tensorpudding: they wanted control of Java |
| 16:44.24 | jhutchins_lt | Moral indignation is not sufficient reason for a package to be promoted to stable. |
| 16:44.29 | tensorpudding | but anyway, the fork is pre-emptory |
| 16:45.00 | *** join/#debian babilen (~babilen@unaffiliated/babilen) |
| 16:45.00 | *** join/#debian Vutral (e4nPfUlnCk@vutral.net) |
| 16:45.07 | home-alone | ok . thank you folks |
| 16:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: The only more strict standard for "foss" than the dfsg is the Gnu guidelines. If something passes dfsg it's as close to foss as it gets. |
| 16:45.19 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: Open Office passes that test. |
| 16:45.37 | *** join/#debian phantomcircuit (~phantomci@2001:470:1f05:848:4687:fcff:fedb:8a6c) |
| 16:46.03 | home-alone | i will sick to OO for a while then |
| 16:46.12 | home-alone | stick |
| 16:46.55 | *** join/#debian xtom (~tom@91.119.4.33) |
| 16:47.07 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: Do you have the non-free repositories disabled? |
| 16:47.57 | home-alone | yes i dont use non free repos other than flash |
| 16:47.58 | *** join/#debian githogori (~githogori@240.sub-75-210-170.myvzw.com) |
| 16:48.26 | *** join/#debian xreal (~mweber@mailgw.FB12.Uni-Dortmund.DE) |
| 16:48.48 | jhutchins_lt | home-alone: Which repository is mirc from? |
| 16:48.56 | xreal | I've got about 40.000 files, which are sized at about 30 kb. I want to TAR them. Should I change the record-size or should I let TAR choose it? |
| 16:49.20 | *** join/#debian Buumi (~quassel@q212.ip2.netikka.fi) |
| 16:49.31 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: If you don't know let tar choose it. |
| 16:50.13 | xreal | jhutchins_lt: Okay, thanks! |
| 16:50.26 | home-alone | i am at relatives home using windows xp :) |
| 16:50.26 | *** join/#debian pierreghz (~pierreghz@176.103-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 16:50.29 | *** join/#debian kopotrik (~kopotrik@athedsl-30996.home.otenet.gr) |
| 16:51.06 | xreal | I've got another problem. I've got two directories with equal files. "diff -i -r" doesn't give a diffence, but "du -s" does. One is smaller than the other (3-4 kb)! I've simply TARed and UNTARed it. How can I detect, what's wrong? |
| 16:51.48 | *** join/#debian Cogito (~Cogito@2001:4ba0:fff1:c2::2) |
| 16:52.05 | cowboycoder | when building debian kernels from source (with patches) is there a way to change the name of the kernel version? by build command is fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch_amd64_xen |
| 16:52.05 | *** join/#debian ajikeshi (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi) |
| 16:52.29 | *** part/#debian home-alone (~home-alon@116.71.175.230) |
| 16:54.09 | *** join/#debian sergejh (~sergej@p4FEDFF99.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:54.16 | *** join/#debian bob__ (45f3877e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.243.135.126) |
| 16:55.08 | jhutchins_lt | cowboycoder: You specify version information when you configure it. |
| 16:56.20 | *** join/#debian factorx (~asdf@i5387705B.versanet.de) |
| 16:56.55 | *** join/#debian heg (~heg@dyn.83-228-154-012.dsl.vtx.ch) |
| 16:57.01 | *** join/#debian loserbar (~loserbar@pool-71-247-29-165.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 16:57.25 | cowboycoder | jhutchins_lt: where do I find the config to modify it for that arch/feature combo? |
| 16:58.42 | jhutchins_lt | cowboycoder: Why are you rebuilding? How are you configuring? |
| 16:58.45 | *** join/#debian Ex-Opesa (~Ex-Opesa@2.49.218.37) |
| 16:59.35 | _stefanos_ | jhutchins_lt: to change the default audio card, what file shall i edit? |
| 16:59.45 | jhutchins_lt | !kernel compiling |
| 16:59.45 | dpkg | kernel compiling is probably Download Kernel. Untar in /usr/src/. Make symlink linux to the name of the kernel directory. cd into the kernel directory. Aply patches. make-kpkg --config [xconfig,menuconfig] kernel_image |
| 16:59.59 | _stefanos_ | i shouldn't edit /proc/asound/cards, should i? |
| 17:00.49 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 17:01.32 | jhutchins_lt | !alsa howto |
| 17:01.41 | cowboycoder | jhutchins_lt: im using the generated config from the debian rules. (apt-get source linux-2.6 and using fakeroot debian/rules source to apply debian patches per the kernel handbook) |
| 17:01.42 | *** part/#debian Bird|ghosted (~kb1rd@unaffiliated/htt-bird) |
| 17:01.47 | *** join/#debian empiric (7c1df28a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.29.242.138) |
| 17:01.50 | _stefanos_ | !alsa |
| 17:01.50 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:01.54 | nevyn | _stefanos_: lol you could try but it'd probably end badly |
| 17:02.01 | _stefanos_ | yeah i know |
| 17:02.04 | *** join/#debian nardev (~nardev@109.175.65.176) |
| 17:02.15 | *** join/#debian darkwood (~dw@calcium.whatbox.ca) |
| 17:02.17 | _stefanos_ | that's why i asked! i found this info from a website and thought "baaaad bad idea!" |
| 17:02.20 | babilen | _stefanos_: You want: /msg dpkg default alsa |
| 17:02.24 | *** part/#debian darkwood (~dw@calcium.whatbox.ca) |
| 17:02.26 | *** join/#debian Gurty (~princess@APuteaux-651-1-223-225.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:03.00 | nevyn | _stefanos_: you should edit your asoundrc to set pcm.!default to your card in the simplest most basic way. |
| 17:03.08 | babilen | _stefanos_: And easier way is detailed on the Debian wiki though that works by setting "index=0" as module option of the soundcard in question. |
| 17:03.10 | cowboycoder | jhutchins_lt: I then patch a specific file in the xen tree and build the amd64 xen kernel |
| 17:03.24 | empiric | guys any one work on sudo to get user auth from ldap |
| 17:03.27 | empiric | any idea |
| 17:03.43 | nevyn | empiric: standard pam use it every day. |
| 17:03.58 | _stefanos_ | yeah but what i know is that i ran the latest updates and my on-board soundcard became the default one |
| 17:04.08 | jhutchins_lt | cowboycoder: When you run make [menuconfig|xconfig|config] it should have a prompt for version info. |
| 17:04.08 | empiric | but how it integrage with ldap |
| 17:04.09 | _stefanos_ | so, is it considered as bug? |
| 17:04.18 | empiric | i can ssh ssh but no sudo su |
| 17:04.22 | nevyn | empiric: pam_ldap |
| 17:04.48 | nevyn | empiric: did you futz with /etc/pam.d/ssh ? |
| 17:05.00 | *** join/#debian patterson (patterson@c-24-4-180-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:05.05 | empiric | i can login through ldap users with ssh on my machine but when i do sudo su .. i have carted sudoers group in ldap i can not read from that |
| 17:05.09 | cowboycoder | jhutchins_lt: i don't do a make config at all, I believe it's generated by the debian kernel source package... or am I missing something? |
| 17:05.16 | empiric | yes i did |
| 17:05.23 | *** join/#debian CellKill (~kvirc@2001:470:c469:beef:45fe:6e2e:73f4:d474) |
| 17:05.53 | *** join/#debian viper3210 (~kevin@ool-4351c2c6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:05.55 | *** join/#debian debsan (~debsan@190.245.76.183) |
| 17:06.03 | *** join/#debian break3r (~admin@studpool-wlan-75-223.fbi.h-da.de) |
| 17:06.13 | jhutchins_lt | cowboycoder: I really don't know the debian kernel landscape that well, my kernel work was mostly in CentOS. |
| 17:06.17 | _stefanos_ | this is very weird... i have none of these two: /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc |
| 17:06.37 | babilen | _stefanos_: Just create them if you wnat to go that way. |
| 17:06.50 | _stefanos_ | ok |
| 17:07.18 | cowboycoder | jhutchins_lt: ya, i've got experience with vanilla kernels, but am just learing the debian way of building it :-) |
| 17:07.26 | *** join/#debian zyga (~zyga@linaro/zyga) |
| 17:07.44 | *** join/#debian monacelli (~chris@pool-74-99-145-142.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 17:08.21 | *** join/#debian limpio (~macondo@190.140.42.216) |
| 17:08.43 | *** join/#debian ungage (ung@dsl-fixed-94-30-53-26.interdsl.co.uk) |
| 17:08.49 | *** join/#debian ohaithere (45f3877e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.243.135.126) |
| 17:08.57 | *** join/#debian ElDiabolo (~jo@xdsl-87-79-85-105.netcologne.de) |
| 17:08.59 | *** join/#debian tvm (~tvm@router-vinice.pilsfree.net) |
| 17:09.24 | *** join/#debian hallyn (~hallyn@cpe-70-123-154-172.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 17:09.32 | *** join/#debian batchy (~batchy@81-64-13-74.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 17:09.58 | ohaithere | what would be the best way to make sure a user ("user two") always has read access for files within a directory owned by a different user? |
| 17:10.16 | *** join/#debian Erbureth (~kvirc@ip-94-112-189-1.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 17:11.08 | jhutchins_lt | cowboycoder: There's always the "hack the raw .config" method. |
| 17:11.20 | *** join/#debian L-Strife89 (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) |
| 17:11.31 | *** part/#debian monacelli (~chris@pool-74-99-145-142.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 17:11.37 | jhutchins_lt | ohaithere: Make the files owned by a group that both users are members of. |
| 17:11.48 | *** join/#debian mirco (~mirco@p5B23A6DA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:11.49 | jhutchins_lt | ohaithere: Also I think apply the "sticky" bit to the folder. |
| 17:12.15 | tensorpudding | ohaithere: yeah, set the directory to be owned by a group they are both in, then set the directory setgid |
| 17:12.34 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, gid not sticky. |
| 17:12.35 | tensorpudding | that way things created in the directory inherit the group |
| 17:12.38 | Henoxek | Is there utility to screenshot framebuffers? |
| 17:12.47 | ohaithere | it's also imperative that only one of the users be able to make any changes within the directory |
| 17:12.54 | jhutchins_lt | Henoxek: Why? They're text, just copy/paste. |
| 17:12.54 | robokop | this works as long as user 1 doesn't remove group read rights |
| 17:12.56 | cowboycoder | jhutchins_lt: I'd have to figgure out how to interrupt the automated build at the right time to do it....lots of scripts I don't know/understand yet :) |
| 17:12.58 | tensorpudding | but this can be changed |
| 17:13.11 | tensorpudding | it's not like the user can't set permissions on specific files how they please |
| 17:13.33 | ohaithere | it is when they're accessing the directory through ftp |
| 17:13.49 | cowboycoder | jhutchins_lt: I found a LOCALVERSION_IMAGE var in the makefile.. maybe I can override that somehow..... |
| 17:14.05 | *** join/#debian Gurty (~princess@APuteaux-651-1-223-225.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:14.44 | *** join/#debian andornaut (~andornaut@69-165-250-81.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 17:15.32 | andornaut | Hi, I just installed debian testing on a virtualbox VM. It's the netinst iso w/o a GUI. Problem is that I don't have network access. Anyone have any experience with this? |
| 17:16.11 | cowboycoder | andornaut: what does ifconfig -a come back with as root? |
| 17:16.23 | *** part/#debian jY (~jy@photoblog.com) |
| 17:16.31 | *** join/#debian rtye (~rtye@host175.190-139-141.telecom.net.ar) |
| 17:16.56 | *** join/#debian c0urier^ (~c0urier@c-89-233-201-92.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 17:17.03 | *** join/#debian shinnok (~shinnok@unaffiliated/shinnok) |
| 17:17.13 | andornaut | cowboycoder: Initially just lo, but i ran ifconfig eth0, and now both eth0 and lo show up. eth0 doesn't have an ip addr though |
| 17:17.19 | jorgp | anyone using debian via vmware fusion? |
| 17:17.23 | *** join/#debian ohaithere_ (45f3877e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.243.135.126) |
| 17:17.39 | jorgp | when I start X, I have no mouse or keyboard |
| 17:17.42 | cowboycoder | andornaut: try dhclient eth0 see if you get an ip |
| 17:18.03 | andornaut | cowboycoder: perfect, thanks very much |
| 17:18.16 | *** join/#debian naequs (~drn@p57989522.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:18.23 | *** join/#debian starenka__ (~starenka@ip-62-245-81-157.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 17:18.48 | ohaithere_ | any thoughts on how i can make sure a second user has read-only access to files in a directory that are subject to frequent change by a second user? |
| 17:18.49 | Henoxek | jhutchins_lt sometimes I want to point friends how an advanced CLI software looks or make beautiful screenshots for articles. And this is just funny (I hope I said what I meant correctly) |
| 17:18.57 | cowboycoder | andornaut: you may have to change the /etc/network/interfaces to make it come back up on it's own.... |
| 17:18.59 | *** join/#debian AlterSid (~AlterSid@78-22-32-103.access.telenet.be) |
| 17:19.34 | cowboycoder | andornaut: perhaps change allow-hotplug to auto |
| 17:20.53 | andornaut | cowboycoder: when i ran /etc/init.d/networking it said that it was "ignoring eth0", This is after i added eth0 to the auto line in /etc/network/interfaces. And allow-hotplug was enabled. |
| 17:21.14 | andornaut | eth0 is configured with: iface th0 inet dhcp |
| 17:21.25 | andornaut | *eth0 |
| 17:22.01 | cowboycoder | andornaut: and the line above is allow-hotplug eth0? |
| 17:22.08 | andornaut | cowboycoder: yep |
| 17:22.16 | cowboycoder | andornaut: change allow-hotplug to the word 'auto' |
| 17:22.26 | cowboycoder | andornaut: reboot the vm and see if that sticks...... |
| 17:22.48 | *** join/#debian doleyb_ (~pwickis@pool-173-76-249-18.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 17:23.42 | *** join/#debian Nrth (~nrth@cpc14-nrte22-2-0-cust167.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 17:23.46 | *** part/#debian heg (~heg@dyn.83-228-154-012.dsl.vtx.ch) |
| 17:24.02 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@funtoo/user/damex) |
| 17:24.03 | abrotman | should be the same ... |
| 17:24.07 | jhutchins_lt | Henoxek: Well, it's almost always a bad idea, plain text is a lot clearer and renders more widely. Just about every text screenshot I see from my netbook is unreadable, but you could do it in an xterm and screenshot that. |
| 17:24.12 | keith4 | I have a debian VPS that runs on 2.6.18-128.7.1.el5xen (Centos on xen, i guess). think it'll be a problem to run squeeze on top of that kernel? |
| 17:24.15 | *** join/#debian Bry8Star (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/bry8star) |
| 17:24.19 | andornaut | cowboycoder: done, and it works, thanks! |
| 17:24.40 | *** join/#debian shinnok (~shinnok@79.112.18.144) |
| 17:24.40 | *** join/#debian shinnok (~shinnok@unaffiliated/shinnok) |
| 17:24.48 | *** join/#debian afuentes (~usuario@85.91.64.235) |
| 17:25.04 | *** part/#debian Erbureth (~kvirc@ip-94-112-189-1.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 17:25.34 | cowboycoder | andornaut: np |
| 17:26.20 | *** part/#debian afuentes (~usuario@85.91.64.235) |
| 17:27.32 | *** join/#debian afuentes (~usuario@85.91.64.235) |
| 17:27.38 | *** part/#debian afuentes (~usuario@85.91.64.235) |
| 17:29.11 | *** join/#debian break3r (~admin@studpool-wlan-75-223.fbi.h-da.de) |
| 17:29.12 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@77.232.140.162) |
| 17:29.19 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@funtoo/user/damex) |
| 17:29.48 | *** join/#debian larsivi (~quassel@188.113.74.106) |
| 17:30.09 | *** join/#debian doleyb_ (~pwickis@pool-173-76-249-18.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 17:30.25 | *** join/#debian _xD (~rtye@109.123.117.122) |
| 17:30.47 | jorgp | must be some module in debian kernel |
| 17:30.50 | *** join/#debian jthomas_sb (~jthomas_s@nat.sierrabravo.net) |
| 17:31.23 | *** join/#debian oday (~oday@212.36.209.4) |
| 17:31.59 | jorgp | what kernel module would be used for a mouse and keyboard running debian inside vmware fusion? |
| 17:32.56 | jhutchins_lt | jorgp: sid? |
| 17:33.04 | jorgp | yes |
| 17:33.20 | *** join/#debian Benkinooby (~Benkinoob@unaffiliated/benkinooby) |
| 17:33.21 | *** join/#debian solexx_ (~jrschulz@e177132139.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:33.23 | jhutchins_lt | jorgp: You really need to follow the mailing list if you're going to run sid. |
| 17:34.14 | *** join/#debian break3r (~admin@studpool-wlan-75-223.fbi.h-da.de) |
| 17:34.43 | Bushmills | Henoxek: there's fbcat and fbgrab - latter just a meta package i think |
| 17:35.00 | *** join/#debian mentor (~mentor@178.16.0.88) |
| 17:35.01 | *** join/#debian mentor (~mentor@unaffiliated/mentor) |
| 17:35.45 | jorgp | jhutchins_lt: which list? |
| 17:35.55 | *** join/#debian break3r (~admin@studpool-wlan-75-223.fbi.h-da.de) |
| 17:35.56 | *** join/#debian ajikeshi (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi) |
| 17:36.03 | oday | when i enter "127.0.0.1:8080" or "localhost:8080" in my web browser, i get the "It Works!" page .. |
| 17:36.07 | oday | and i have Tomcat6 |
| 17:36.10 | oday | are its files in /var/www? |
| 17:36.18 | oday | i mean if i want to make it the local webserver, do i place my files there? |
| 17:36.21 | oday | cause i'm trying to follow this, http://drupal.org/documentation/install/developers |
| 17:38.05 | *** join/#debian mezod (nnscript@tunnel-44-108.vpn.uib.no) |
| 17:38.05 | *** join/#debian mezod (nnscript@unaffiliated/mezod) |
| 17:38.19 | *** join/#debian MidnighToker (~Toker@unaffiliated/midnightoker) |
| 17:39.09 | *** join/#debian pif (~ldm@90.94.203.19) |
| 17:39.16 | Henoxek | Bushmills, thanks I'll check it out. jhutchins_lt may be, but for me it is important to show style and appearance, not text content |
| 17:39.18 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:39.36 | *** join/#debian ICEBreakPoint (~d3mux32@89-181-145-25.net.novis.pt) |
| 17:40.37 | *** join/#debian llua (~llua@99-8-168-46.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:40.37 | *** join/#debian llua (~llua@unaffiliated/llua) |
| 17:41.25 | jhutchins_lt | bushmills |
| 17:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, please disregard. |
| 17:42.04 | *** join/#debian cornelinux (~koelbel@dslb-188-107-041-138.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:45.17 | twobitsprite | how do I set up the dhclient so that it prepends things to put in the "search" line of the resolv.conf. The dhclient.conf man page doesn't seem to have anything specific about this that I can see, and the debian wiki page for NetworkConfiguration shows how to prepend DNS servers, but not domain serches |
| 17:45.20 | dawud | oday: the message "It works!" usually comes from Apache. The default Tomcat page is different. How did you installed Tomcat? |
| 17:45.29 | oday | from Synaptic |
| 17:45.35 | oday | so i have apache |
| 17:45.37 | oday | ok.. |
| 17:45.41 | oday | i WANT apache |
| 17:45.43 | oday | that's good |
| 17:46.00 | oday | but did you see the drupal page? i cannot seem to find /var/www, i know this dir from other distros |
| 17:46.00 | dawud | oday: have you started you tomcat server already? |
| 17:46.22 | oday | when i enter "service tomcat6 status", i get that it's up and running with pid xyz |
| 17:46.28 | *** join/#debian cncrd (~cncrd@46.40.90.203) |
| 17:46.35 | oday | Tomcat servlet engine is running with pid 1380. |
| 17:46.42 | oday | so it's a servlet engine, not a web serever |
| 17:46.44 | oday | server* |
| 17:47.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell twobitsprite about override dns |
| 17:47.06 | dawud | oday: it has a web server also. which port is it listening to? |
| 17:47.09 | *** join/#debian shingouz (shingouz@80.186.65.76) |
| 17:47.14 | oday | i don't know |
| 17:47.21 | oday | but apparently not 8080, right |
| 17:47.25 | *** join/#debian onecrazycat (~Adium@apo.aweber.com) |
| 17:47.44 | *** join/#debian Yancho (~Matt@unaffiliated/yancho) |
| 17:47.57 | dawud | oday: lsof -i -P | grep java.*LISTEN |
| 17:48.05 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: thanks, but that only shows how to override DNS servers... I want to append/prepend domains for the "search" line of the resolv.conf |
| 17:48.16 | dawud | oday: no. you can't bind apache and tomcat to the same ip:port |
| 17:48.42 | oday | 8005 |
| 17:48.44 | jhutchins_lt | !fixresolvconf |
| 17:48.44 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
| 17:48.49 | oday | dawud, i don't want tomcat anymore |
| 17:48.58 | *** join/#debian Myztik (~Myztik@90-231-233-158-no109.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 17:49.00 | onecrazycat | Hello everyone, I'm building a virtualized learning/lab environment at home and I have a quick question regarding the infrastructure.  I am planning on using the following Debian servers (respectively) DNS = djbdns, DHCP = dhcpd, SVN = svn, WEB = apache2, MANAGEMENT = puppet. What order should I create them in, does it really matter? |
| 17:49.05 | oday | it's not my concern, you helped me figure out that the localhost page is from Apache, that's good |
| 17:49.06 | *** join/#debian Gilde (~Gilde@dslb-092-076-128-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:49.15 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: yep, still about DNS servers... |
| 17:49.21 | dawud | oday: it was your question, not mine |
| 17:49.25 | jhutchins_lt | Chances of an app failing through to the third or fourth servers before it times out are low... |
| 17:49.27 | oday | yep and that's good |
| 17:49.28 | oday | but where does Apache have the "www" folder, so i can follow the drupal link instructions? |
| 17:49.38 | oday | http://drupal.org/documentation/install/developers |
| 17:49.48 | oday | these instructions, the Download and Unpack section |
| 17:49.52 | dawud | oday: you can define it in the httpd.conf file |
| 17:49.57 | jhutchins_lt | oday: Have you considered installing drupal from debian and seeing how it sets it up? |
| 17:50.15 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: my question is not about DNS servers... but about the domains to search when completing hostnames |
| 17:50.23 | oday | but it's asking me to extract the drupal.zip files to the /var/www directory, dawud ..you didnt look |
| 17:50.30 | oday | jhutchins, i will try that, one moment |
| 17:50.32 | jhutchins_lt | oday: Once you have done that you can use the packages from drupal.org in the same way. |
| 17:50.59 | jhutchins_lt | oday: It's also best if you stick with apache until you really know what you're doing. |
| 17:51.05 | oday | yes i will do that |
| 17:51.06 | oday | there is no Drupal in Software Center |
| 17:51.23 | oday | ah, yes there is |
| 17:51.29 | oday | but no prominent icon |
| 17:51.30 | oday | ok |
| 17:52.03 | jhutchins_lt | oday: If you're going to run a drupal server you're going to have to master the command line. |
| 17:52.31 | oday | i know my way around the shell |
| 17:52.32 | *** join/#debian EduardeCalibal (~Eduarde@novoseusadosinformatica.com.br) |
| 17:52.45 | oday | well...a little |
| 17:53.38 | *** join/#debian zyga (~zyga@linaro/zyga) |
| 17:53.46 | *** join/#debian Mr_Queue_ (~Mr_Queue@adsl-99-121-239-195.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:53.55 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@77.232.140.162) |
| 17:53.55 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@funtoo/user/damex) |
| 17:54.05 | oday | the thing is, jhutchins_lt, i want to create a website with Drupal, one that i can host on their servers |
| 17:54.05 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: no idea how to add domain search to dhcp? |
| 17:54.16 | oday | and one that i can also have when i go to my localhost |
| 17:54.20 | gnugr | oday: put drupal in /var/www and give it its rights chown to www-data:www-data and chmod to 644 then use http://localhost/drupal |
| 17:54.35 | oday | who is /var/www for? |
| 17:54.48 | oday | and why can't i cd to it from my shell? just "cd /var/www" |
| 17:54.52 | *** part/#debian xreal (~mweber@mailgw.FB12.Uni-Dortmund.DE) |
| 17:55.00 | twobitsprite | it's the default location for web pages hosted by apache |
| 17:55.02 | *** join/#debian lessthanzero (~lessthanz@76.65.210.40) |
| 17:55.06 | jhutchins_lt | oday: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html |
| 17:55.17 | oday | ah, ok |
| 17:55.29 | oday | DOS Win to Linux? |
| 17:55.38 | *** join/#debian mentor (~mentor@178.16.0.88) |
| 17:55.49 | oday | this is not where my weakness is |
| 17:55.54 | oday | none of these links are |
| 17:55.56 | jhutchins_lt | oday: Old link for those of us who learned the Microsoft cli. |
| 17:56.02 | oday | i didn't |
| 17:56.13 | jhutchins_lt | oday: Back before XP you really had to know the Microsoft shell. |
| 17:56.31 | twobitsprite | if you could call it a shell :P |
| 17:56.32 | *** join/#debian A68000c (~s@195.Red-83-37-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:56.34 | oday | granted, but i have no such problem |
| 17:56.51 | oday | my problem is that this is the first time i work with web development |
| 17:57.13 | *** join/#debian mitrick (~mitrick@bas1-montreal19-1088784012.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 17:57.27 | daemonkeeper | Most of the Web stack runs on Windows flawless |
| 17:57.31 | daemonkeeper | flawlessly |
| 17:57.39 | daemonkeeper | Apache, PHP, MySQL, whatever. |
| 17:57.52 | twobitsprite | gtfo :P |
| 17:57.58 | *** join/#debian ColdFyre (~lenny@c-98-248-33-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:58.03 | *** join/#debian osfd (~olivier@rke75-8-78-225-170-15.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:58.07 | oday | i have used a wordpress stack before |
| 17:58.11 | oday | for a blog |
| 17:58.15 | daemonkeeper | "Wordpress stack" ;) |
| 17:58.24 | oday | bitnami, actually |
| 17:58.26 | oday | something like that |
| 17:58.31 | oday | i am just downloading drupal6 now from software center |
| 17:58.34 | *** join/#debian mitrick (~mitrick@bas1-montreal19-1088784012.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 17:58.35 | oday | i will see how it works out |
| 17:58.48 | simonlnu | what rfc is the wordpress stack covered in? |
| 17:59.19 | daemonkeeper | RFC 5841 |
| 17:59.24 | gnugr | oday: Joomla is easier than drupal, try it |
| 17:59.26 | *** join/#debian xyzp (~chatzilla@c-e45ae155.12-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:59.28 | *** join/#debian ventsislav (~ventsisla@77.70.14.236) |
| 17:59.29 | *** join/#debian ventsislav_ (~ventsisla@77.70.14.236) |
| 17:59.38 | simonlnu | joomla is also a security problem |
| 17:59.47 | oday | but Drupal is more powerful |
| 17:59.50 | oday | this is what i read/hear |
| 17:59.52 | *** part/#debian ventsislav_ (~ventsisla@77.70.14.236) |
| 18:00.16 | simonlnu | daemonkeeper: is that rfc rickroll? :P |
| 18:00.19 | *** join/#debian PhoenixSTF (~PhoenixST@87.196.115.127) |
| 18:00.35 | jhutchins_lt | oday: You will also probably have to figure out how to get useful information from the documentation at apache.org |
| 18:00.46 | gnugr | oday: i run them both on my debian-squeeze, drupal and joomla |
| 18:00.53 | daemonkeeper | simonlnu: The release date gives you a hint ;) |
| 18:00.55 | oday | so? :p |
| 18:01.14 | gnugr | get squeeze tho* |
| 18:01.15 | *** join/#debian jahil1 (~mohsin@94.203.101.202) |
| 18:01.22 | oday | i am on squeeze |
| 18:01.39 | simonlnu | daemonkeeper: ah yes, that one |
| 18:01.57 | simonlnu | i wonder.. |
| 18:02.00 | karlpinc | !tell oday about readme.debian |
| 18:02.02 | simonlnu | !rfc5841 |
| 18:02.02 | gnugr | oday: learn how to use mc, it helps a lot |
| 18:02.11 | karlpinc | oday: That factoid might help, or not. |
| 18:02.16 | simonlnu | !rfc5841 |
| 18:02.33 | karlpinc | gnugr: Pfft. |
| 18:03.07 | *** join/#debian Leoneof (~Leon@unaffiliated/leoneof) |
| 18:03.29 | *** join/#debian Guest49883 (~mentor@unaffiliated/mentor) |
| 18:03.41 | simonlnu | !rfc5841 is <reply>RFC 5841 - TCP Option to Denote Packet Mood : http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5841 (1 April 2010) |
| 18:03.41 | dpkg | okay, simonlnu |
| 18:03.46 | oday | yes it helps, thank you karlpinc |
| 18:03.58 | simonlnu | mc rox my sox |
| 18:05.12 | daemonkeeper | simonlnu: 598 RFCs left. |
| 18:05.17 | daemonkeeper | *5984 |
| 18:05.34 | simonlnu | there are some in dpkg already |
| 18:05.45 | simonlnu | listkeys rfc |
| 18:06.07 | daemonkeeper | heh, Wouldn't be /that/ complicated to feed the bot with all semi-automated |
| 18:06.12 | *** join/#debian L-Strife89 (~Strife89@207-144-19-39.cstel.net) |
| 18:06.18 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (~marcus@pD9FC47D7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:06.18 | daemonkeeper | I doubt it is necessary |
| 18:06.48 | simonlnu | necessary? no. handy? yes. |
| 18:06.49 | jhutchins_lt | I would think judd would already have that. |
| 18:07.08 | jhutchins_lt | If you load too much crap in dpkg it becomes impossible to find anything. |
| 18:07.31 | karlpinc | simonlnu: Only some are handy. rfc1918, rfc2821 and rfc2822, and the dns overview. Who's going to refer people to the others. |
| 18:07.40 | karlpinc | ? |
| 18:07.56 | *** join/#debian grindax (~grindax@cpc9-haye17-2-0-cust43.haye.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 18:08.22 | *** join/#debian dekar_ (~dekar@drms-590c4a42.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 18:08.44 | *** join/#debian CyberGabber (~CyberGabb@31-183-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 18:08.47 | simonlnu | the others you either tell people to jfgi or install some of the non-free rfc stuff |
| 18:09.04 | *** join/#debian JasonWoof (~JasonWoof@fsf/member/herkamire) |
| 18:09.22 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (~chomwitt@athedsl-405080.home.otenet.gr) |
| 18:09.34 | *** join/#debian chasing`Sol (~cS@smtp.master-zone.net) |
| 18:09.45 | oday | in mySQL Administrator, what do I enter as Server Hostname |
| 18:09.52 | oday | isn't it MY computer's hostname? |
| 18:09.59 | jorgp | is there a way to see what is currently being built for testing i386? |
| 18:10.31 | simonlnu | oday: wherever the mysqld you want is listening |
| 18:10.33 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: /msg judd list judd (for the record) |
| 18:10.43 | *** join/#debian pierreghz (~pierreghz@176.103-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 18:10.50 | karlpinc | oday: FWIW I prefer postgresql to mysql. It's more "grown up". |
| 18:10.56 | *** join/#debian sidro (~sidro@86.120.61.72) |
| 18:10.59 | karlpinc | oday: (localhost will probably do.) |
| 18:11.04 | keith4 | so, in case anyone is wondering... you can upgrade a VPS running on 2.6.18 to Squeeze if you pin udev to the lenny version, first ;-) |
| 18:11.11 | oday | it did |
| 18:11.14 | simonlnu | karlpinc: i do too ;) |
| 18:11.51 | *** join/#debian amarc (~amar@cm-static-13-180.telekabel.ba) |
| 18:12.16 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 18:12.35 | oday | the GUI installation of Drupal6 didn't work |
| 18:12.56 | oday | it gave me an error about Debconf |
| 18:13.02 | oday | Configure drupal6 etc...? yes |
| 18:13.13 | oday | then it gave me the option to choose from a dropdown list "abort, retry, etc.." |
| 18:13.15 | oday | weird |
| 18:13.46 | *** join/#debian rtye (~rtye@host175.190-139-141.telecom.net.ar) |
| 18:14.14 | jhutchins_lt | oday: Time to learn aptitud and dpkg |
| 18:14.19 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude even. |
| 18:14.23 | oday | wait a minute |
| 18:14.35 | oday | to show you that Tomcat is the one that is opening when i enter "localhost:8080" |
| 18:14.55 | oday | http://imgur.com/RXGLR |
| 18:15.11 | *** join/#debian bn` (~Patrick@178-26-185-176-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 18:15.17 | *** join/#debian bn` (~Patrick@unaffiliated/bn/x-6686386) |
| 18:15.30 | oday | and this is what i get when i go to /var/www and enter index.html |
| 18:15.31 | oday | http://imgur.com/3wOYS |
| 18:15.37 | oday | THAT is apache's page |
| 18:15.41 | *** join/#debian SQlvpapir (~teis@188.177.95.62) |
| 18:15.44 | oday | what i am getting on localhost8080 is tomcat |
| 18:16.47 | oday | im going to remove tomcat |
| 18:16.50 | oday | dont try to stop me |
| 18:17.49 | *** join/#debian linkslice (cda64c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.166.76.15) |
| 18:18.12 | oday | ok |
| 18:18.19 | oday | now localhost:8080 produces an errpor |
| 18:18.47 | oday | but localhost:8080/index.html produces the same tomcat page i posted above |
| 18:19.30 | *** join/#debian blinki (~blink@reality.is-after.me) |
| 18:19.46 | *** join/#debian eshat (~eshat@2001:638:504:c018:226:2dff:fef6:1d80) |
| 18:20.47 | kopotrik | mmm i think that i will reinstall |
| 18:20.59 | *** join/#debian jaytaph (~jaytaph@dhcp-077-249-050-185.chello.nl) |
| 18:21.53 | *** join/#debian NANAgurke (~dgg@p5797625C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:21.54 | NANAgurke | hi |
| 18:21.55 | blinki | I'm trying to configure a machine on a new subnet but it's failing everytime I try to do anything: network is unreachable |
| 18:22.09 | blinki | the gateway is on a different subnet, is that simply it? |
| 18:22.22 | *** join/#debian shingouz (shingouz@80.186.72.207) |
| 18:22.29 | *** join/#debian katsrc (~quassel@cpe-68-174-116-221.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 18:22.37 | *** join/#debian ilogical (~ilogical@187.112.115.228) |
| 18:22.49 | *** join/#debian binaryhat (~binaryhat@c-98-254-201-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 18:23.08 | *** join/#debian ChocoTaco (~ChocoTaco@wsip-98-189-173-119.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 18:23.14 | ChocoTaco | Hello |
| 18:23.14 | *** join/#debian Ox1 (~Ox1@s537575db.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 18:23.33 | *** join/#debian stoffell (~stoffell@dD576AC0E.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:23.47 | ChocoTaco | given a box running Sarge in a remote datacenter, I want to wipe it and do a clean install of Squeeze |
| 18:23.57 | ChocoTaco | what's the best way to do this remotely with no physical access to the box? |
| 18:24.24 | daemonkeeper | You can't reinstall without physical access or some out-of-band management available |
| 18:24.50 | ajikeshi | daemonkeeper, actually you can |
| 18:25.07 | ajikeshi | if theres a bootable image available you candebootstrap it onto the harddisc |
| 18:25.14 | ChocoTaco | no? Last year I somehow managed to wipe an Ubuntu box and do a clean install of Squeeze without physical access, but I can't remember how I did it and I can't find whatever guide I used |
| 18:25.25 | kopotrik | i have encrypted disks and lvm, can i keep the current home and reinstall one root (both are into the same LVM group) |
| 18:25.35 | daemonkeeper | ajikeshi: How do you want to do that, if all you have is access through the mounted root file system? |
| 18:26.20 | ajikeshi | mhh i mean... given.. you can boot a "live"image which gives you at least a basic shell and ssh you could do that |
| 18:26.22 | ChocoTaco | I *think* I turned the swap partition into an installation media with a preseeded network config that enabled NetworkConsole in d-i |
| 18:26.27 | eshat | What is the best way, to keep an irc connection, even if AFK? Maybe there is a way to have a client connected on my server, which client supports this ? |
| 18:26.28 | *** join/#debian syslq (~syslq@89-212-188-31.dynamic.t-2.net) |
| 18:26.37 | ChocoTaco | but I can't figure out how I did that |
| 18:26.58 | jhutchins_lt | eshat: irssi + screen is a popular solution. |
| 18:26.59 | *** join/#debian gnusosa (~ron@unaffiliated/gnusosa) |
| 18:26.59 | daemonkeeper | ajikeshi: Which implies to have physical access and/or out-of-band access |
| 18:27.09 | ChocoTaco | creating an installation media partition I mean |
| 18:27.35 | eshat | jhutchins_lt: I've heared about that, I'll check that, TY |
| 18:27.45 | ajikeshi | aye |
| 18:28.01 | ChocoTaco | Then I set grub to default to that partition and rebooted and hey presto I was able to log in to the installer over SSH and complete the install |
| 18:28.01 | daemonkeeper | ChocoTaco: We might find a (risky) solution if you have some unused space left. |
| 18:28.22 | jhutchins_lt | eshat: Just remember you need to run it as a regular user, not root. (I usually do everything on the server as root.) |
| 18:28.39 | *** join/#debian lusotux (~asd@87-196-19-10.net.novis.pt) |
| 18:28.53 | *** join/#debian Cryp71c (~rburnham@adsl-065-013-247-238.sip.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 18:29.00 | Cryp71c | Is there an easy way to get gnome 3 running in debian? |
| 18:29.04 | Cryp71c | (relatively easy, rather) |
| 18:29.10 | daemonkeeper | ChocoTaco: Basically you could use unpartitioned/unused space, create a new partition over there, bootstrap a fresh Debian into it and boot that. That's risky as said, if you have no way to reover |
| 18:29.11 | *** join/#debian xtom (~tom@91.119.4.33) |
| 18:29.29 | daemonkeeper | *recover |
| 18:29.39 | *** join/#debian linuxwizard (~linuxwiza@c-98-213-226-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 18:29.39 | *** join/#debian apelgate (~apel@s83-191-241-173.cust.tele2.se) |
| 18:29.47 | ChocoTaco | if anything goes terribly wrong I can get the datacenter admins to bail me out, I just don't want to bother them if I can do it remotely |
| 18:29.53 | blinki | can anybody help me with a networking problem? address is 206.223.x.x netmask 255.255.255.240 gateway is 66.207.x.x |
| 18:30.16 | *** join/#debian bp0 (~bp@unaffiliated/bp0) |
| 18:30.19 | oday | what do i do here, karlpinc ? |
| 18:30.19 | daemonkeeper | ChocoTaco: Don't they offer you temporary KVM access? A ram disk image to boot? |
| 18:30.20 | oday | http://imgur.com/IBXic |
| 18:30.32 | oday | all the other configuration, creating the database and giving permissions has worked so far |
| 18:30.44 | ChocoTaco | daemonkeeper: nope, no remote KVM |
| 18:31.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1098] by debhelper |
| 18:31.36 | daemonkeeper | ChocoTaco: Well, if you are really sure you want to try, try to find unused/unallocated space and extract a new partition out of it suitable as root file system. Honestly I would try to dist-upgrade if I were you. |
| 18:31.41 | ChocoTaco | I remember I did this with no issues and it bothers me that I can't remember how. Maybe a better question is "how can I get the debian installation media to run from a hard drive partition" |
| 18:31.51 | *** join/#debian delarge (~doh@190.162.9.18) |
| 18:32.03 | blinki | my gateway is outside of my subnet, is there a way to get around that restriction? |
| 18:32.26 | *** join/#debian sunny_s (~sunny_s@86.57.254.135) |
| 18:32.42 | daemonkeeper | ChocoTaco: Obviously you can't access installation media from a disk you are going to write to. |
| 18:32.58 | *** join/#debian Tigger__ (~Tigger@cpc4-fare6-2-0-cust436.6-1.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 18:33.00 | daemonkeeper | And even if you manage to /boot/ an installation media, you still can't access it |
| 18:33.17 | kopotrik | can i downgrade from unstable to testing? |
| 18:33.30 | kopotrik | will this work http://www.leune.org/blog/kees/2005/05/downgrading-debian-gnulinux-fr.html |
| 18:33.35 | daemonkeeper | Since d-i does not run a SSH server by default. |
| 18:33.39 | *** join/#debian arnestig (~arnestig@217-208-146-100-no75.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 18:34.03 | *** join/#debian ompaul (~ompaul@unaffiliated/ompaul) |
| 18:34.17 | daemonkeeper | kopotrik: Basically the instructions look right, note this is entirely unsupported. |
| 18:34.19 | *** join/#debian ali3n0 (~alieno@93-32-190-131.ip34.fastwebnet.it) |
| 18:34.29 | NANAgurke | HELLO i have a question |
| 18:34.31 | *** join/#debian cahoot (~radix@c83-252-75-32.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 18:34.31 | *** join/#debian cahoot (~radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 18:34.38 | ChocoTaco | daemonkeeper: I will preseed the network config and use http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 18:35.07 | daemonkeeper | ChocoTaco: You can't boot that though. |
| 18:35.08 | blinki | alright awesome, I'll do that |
| 18:35.10 | ChocoTaco | but how can I get a bootable d-i partition |
| 18:35.12 | *** join/#debian ricolini (~root@xdsl-87-78-0-78.netcologne.de) |
| 18:35.42 | *** part/#debian ricolini (~root@xdsl-87-78-0-78.netcologne.de) |
| 18:36.30 | *** join/#debian Trewas (ilonen@jumi.lut.fi) |
| 18:36.32 | *** join/#debian Vutral (ss@vutral.net) |
| 18:36.36 | jhutchins_lt | !tell ChocoTaco about ig |
| 18:37.03 | daemonkeeper | ChocoTaco: You can boot it through grub |
| 18:37.09 | daemonkeeper | Maybe |
| 18:38.58 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@77.232.140.162) |
| 18:38.58 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@funtoo/user/damex) |
| 18:39.08 | *** join/#debian gruuu (~d@182.sub-75-222-46.myvzw.com) |
| 18:40.19 | *** join/#debian ferr (~ferr@2a01:7a0:1:6:213:e8ff:fea3:f29) |
| 18:41.10 | *** join/#debian eSa| (~esa@host106-232-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:41.46 | *** join/#debian ilogical (~ilogical@187.112.115.228) |
| 18:42.42 | kopotrik | daemonkeeper, can i reinstall debian from console ( i want to avoid to mess with lvm and encrypted drives) |
| 18:42.49 | kopotrik | from the current system |
| 18:43.05 | daemonkeeper | kopotrik: We've been discussing this right now. |
| 18:43.24 | daemonkeeper | Short answer: no. |
| 18:43.33 | daemonkeeper | Long answer: maybe |
| 18:43.38 | daemonkeeper | Well, without reason ;) |
| 18:43.38 | *** join/#debian eshat (~eshat@2001:638:504:c018:226:2dff:fef6:1d80) |
| 18:43.47 | *** join/#debian gusnan (~gusnan@h193n1c1o269.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 18:44.16 | *** join/#debian abcd82 (~abcd@109.110.18.181) |
| 18:44.18 | daemonkeeper | If you have physical access, this eases life a lot |
| 18:44.19 | *** join/#debian PhoenixSTF (~PhoenixST@87-196-115-127.net.novis.pt) |
| 18:44.33 | daemonkeeper | i.e. booting into a live system and bootstrap a fresh Debian |
| 18:44.50 | cantido | kopotrik: do you have a swap partition? |
| 18:45.11 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 18:45.25 | kopotrik | yeap |
| 18:45.29 | kopotrik | and physical access |
| 18:46.21 | *** join/#debian nixoeen (~nixoeen@unaffiliated/nixoeen) |
| 18:46.46 | cantido | kopotrik: ok, I haven't read enough to know exactly what your situation is.. but I have previously made an fs in the swap partition, deboostrapped a system there and then changed root over to that.. |
| 18:46.59 | *** join/#debian jahil1 (~mohsin@94.203.101.202) |
| 18:47.13 | *** join/#debian ColdFyre (~lenny@c-98-248-33-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 18:47.16 | daemonkeeper | Well, having physical access he can boot a live system and bootstrap a fresh Debian into his crypto loop |
| 18:47.33 | daemonkeeper | But: Squeeze supports LVM/Cryptofoo, so is it really worth the effort? |
| 18:48.03 | *** join/#debian eSa| (~esa@host106-232-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:48.36 | *** join/#debian eshat (~eshat@xoi.math.uni-bielefeld.de) |
| 18:49.22 | daemonkeeper | kopotrik: Very brief: Boot into Knoppix|grml|something similar, mount your disk, backup data you want to keep, remove everything else, use debootstrap, install grub, kernel, configure network/interfaces, /etc/fstab and try to boot it |
| 18:49.46 | daemonkeeper | Something forgotten? |
| 18:49.48 | kopotrik | daemonkeeper, i will backup and reinstall |
| 18:49.54 | *** join/#debian Sjors (~sgielen@2a01:4f8:130:3001:2102:1:0:1) |
| 18:49.57 | Sjors | Hi all |
| 18:49.58 | daemonkeeper | Fair enough |
| 18:50.02 | kopotrik | less time and spirit consuming |
| 18:50.05 | kopotrik | less dangerous |
| 18:50.07 | Sjors | I can't find the file apt_0.7.25.3.tar.gz anywhere on the Debian archive |
| 18:50.08 | kopotrik | thx anyway |
| 18:51.48 | *** join/#debian ColdFyre (~lenny@c-98-248-33-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 18:52.50 | *** join/#debian carandraug (~carandrau@proxy4.library.nuigalway.ie) |
| 18:52.58 | jhutchins_lt | Sjors: Wouldn't it be a .deb? |
| 18:53.12 | Sjors | jhutchins_lt: no, the apt version is 0.7.25.3 and I really need the source link |
| 18:53.21 | *** join/#debian wissem__ (~wissem@197.0.96.124) |
| 18:53.25 | *** join/#debian notrev (~everton@unaffiliated/notrev) |
| 18:53.30 | jhutchins_lt | ah. I never could figure out where the source packages live without apt-get. |
| 18:53.47 | arcsky | going to build a packet generator pc with 10gbit NICs. Does that needs to much mem with 10gbit linerate ? |
| 18:54.06 | drinkycrow | i have an apache server that i'd like to ftp files to using a user account. the problem is that when the files are uploaded as the user, said user is the owner and the apache daemon gets permission denied upon trying to access them |
| 18:54.09 | drinkycrow | any thoughts? |
| 18:54.41 | jhutchins_lt | drinkycrow: Can the user make them gid www-data? |
| 18:55.10 | drinkycrow | i'd prefer the daemon not have write access |
| 18:55.22 | jhutchins_lt | So g-w |
| 18:55.24 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-45702956.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:55.41 | jhutchins_lt | o+r for that matter. |
| 18:56.13 | daemonkeeper | Sjors: http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/apt (or do you really care about your particular version)? |
| 18:56.13 | drinkycrow | same group and add read permission for non-owners from the same group? |
| 18:56.33 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: yes, I need exactly 0.7.25.3 |
| 18:56.46 | abrotman | Sjors: which version of Debian do you have that has that version? |
| 18:57.03 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: the source package for a specific apt package in Fink, a Debian-based Mac OS X package manager |
| 18:57.09 | drinkycrow | that makes sense. idk why i didn't do it |
| 18:57.38 | drinkycrow | oh |
| 18:57.40 | drinkycrow | o+r |
| 18:57.43 | daemonkeeper | Sjors: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/apt/0.7.25.3/ |
| 18:58.06 | *** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host108-67-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:58.20 | abrotman | maybe he should ask the Fink people .. they've probably applied a boatload of patches to make that work on OSX |
| 18:58.21 | *** join/#debian tempeldirne (~L@gssn-4d0032b7.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 18:58.29 | abrotman | and it's not a Debian question |
| 18:59.11 | drinkycrow | problem is jhutchins, i don't really want to chmod o+r on every file that gets uploaded. they're going to be continually updated and tested until it's ready |
| 18:59.11 | *** join/#debian MrOpposite (~mropposit@unaffiliated/mropposite) |
| 18:59.11 | *** part/#debian cheater (~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:59.11 | onura | Hi. I am trying to install debian from network. But I cant find tftpboot.img file. Where can i get this file? |
| 18:59.14 | *** join/#debian valdyn (~valdyn@valdyn.org) |
| 18:59.31 | *** join/#debian witchdoc (~karsten@unaffiliated/witchdoc) |
| 18:59.33 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 18:59.52 | *** join/#debian damex (~damex@funtoo/user/damex) |
| 19:00.03 | *** join/#debian shgz (~shgz@AOrleans-152-1-45-146.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:00.37 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: seen that page, there's no source package link on it |
| 19:01.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1105] by debhelper |
| 19:01.51 | daemonkeeper | Sjors: Click the link pointing to the pool ... |
| 19:02.29 | *** join/#debian witchdoc_ (~karsten@unaffiliated/witchdoc) |
| 19:03.06 | *** join/#debian L-Strife89 (~Strife89@207-144-19-39.cstel.net) |
| 19:03.09 | *** join/#debian MJS (~MJS@p4FD0872A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:03.41 | drinkycrow | i really want to give read access for all files in a folder, recursively, to all members of the user's group perpetually, even new files as they're added, without having to switch over to the server machine. global read would be just fine, but i'm still trying to avoid having to chmod every time a new file is uploaded |
| 19:03.58 | blinki | is there any way to have a default gateway that's outside of my machine's subnet? |
| 19:03.58 | *** join/#debian EduardeCalibal (~Eduarde@novoseusadosinformatica.com.br) |
| 19:04.18 | drinkycrow | blinki, that would be a proxy |
| 19:04.32 | *** join/#debian cornelinux (~koelbel@dslb-188-097-134-247.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:04.45 | drinkycrow | a gateway is exactly that, a gateway from your subnet to the wider internet |
| 19:05.07 | *** join/#debian sphenxes01 (~sphenxes@85-127-216-166.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 19:05.07 | *** join/#debian mhoney (~mhoney@24-213-57-214.static.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 19:05.17 | blinki | I've been given a chunk of IPs, I just wanted to avoid wasting one on a gateway |
| 19:05.21 | jhutchins_lt | drinkycrow: Then use the gid/setgid option on the directory. |
| 19:05.31 | drinkycrow | i'll look into that |
| 19:05.35 | drinkycrow | thanks jhutchins |
| 19:05.40 | jhutchins_lt | drinkycrow: Also consider restricting uploads to scp instead of ftp. |
| 19:05.50 | blinki | burn. I guess this just turned into a cisco asa thing instead of debian |
| 19:05.55 | blinki | nuts. nuts to yall |
| 19:05.58 | *** part/#debian blinki (~blink@reality.is-after.me) |
| 19:06.02 | *** join/#debian katsrc (~quassel@cpe-68-174-116-221.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 19:06.26 | drinkycrow | once i get this permissions thing figured out i'll do that |
| 19:06.35 | drinkycrow | i was just going to set up vsftpd to use ftps |
| 19:06.38 | *** join/#debian anao2 (~thomas@p4FC79701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:06.46 | *** join/#debian crond (~crond@unaffiliated/crond) |
| 19:06.46 | *** join/#debian LunarAvenger (869b6349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.155.99.73) |
| 19:06.53 | Bushmills | actually, gateway outside machine subnet is possible, through a tunnel to remote gateway |
| 19:07.09 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: the pool directory still doesn't contain a source archive, as far as I can see, am I missing something? |
| 19:08.03 | drinkycrow | the uploads are all coming from intranet, so i'm not particularly worried about it at this point in time |
| 19:08.20 | Bushmills | Sjors: apt-get source ... puts file into current directory |
| 19:08.50 | Sjors | Bushmills: I'd need a Debian system which knows where the file is |
| 19:08.51 | *** join/#debian regular (~regular@89-72-218-128.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 19:09.15 | regular | After I hibernated e17 my monitor went dim and stayed that way even after restart |
| 19:09.19 | Sjors | and even then, the apt version is old enough for that link to probably be dead |
| 19:09.24 | Bushmills | cd /i/know/where/this/dir/is; apt-get source ... |
| 19:09.32 | regular | sorry, wrong channel |
| 19:09.34 | *** part/#debian regular (~regular@89-72-218-128.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 19:09.39 | Sjors | I had a link to the normal Debian file list, but the file was removed from that |
| 19:09.56 | Sjors | because it wasn't needed anymore - but for some reason, it wasn't moved to the snapshot site probably because there is no Debian version anymore that uses it |
| 19:09.59 | daemonkeeper | Sjors: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20100202T033917Z/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.7.25.2.tar.gz |
| 19:10.05 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: .2 |
| 19:10.10 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: I _really_ need .3 |
| 19:10.19 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: (but thanks, good find, it's quite close...) |
| 19:11.03 | LunarAvenger | hey, archlinux sent me here. I have a fresh install of debian, and for some reason xorg is using 50% CPU, and my X11 folder has no xorg.conf file. So my dual cores are running at 90% |
| 19:11.14 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: see, there's this package which is built for apt 0.7.25.3 and its source link went dead |
| 19:11.43 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: if I use a source link for apt_0.7.25.2, I'd need to completely re-test the package, as its patch and compilation and installation instructions will be based against (subtly, probably) different source |
| 19:12.17 | *** join/#debian acemi (~acemi@unaffiliated/acemi) |
| 19:12.48 | *** join/#debian feitingen (~feitingen@ip-94-113-220-55.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 19:13.09 | *** join/#debian sacredchao (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nike) |
| 19:13.11 | *** join/#debian Skizorager (~quassel@91.178.7.133) |
| 19:13.56 | feitingen | can anyone suggest a backup window manager pls? gnome is too bloated, kde is too flaky, xfce is just stupid, twm and windowmaker is too cumbersome. what is left? |
| 19:14.03 | drinkycrow | dd |
| 19:14.08 | drinkycrow | oic |
| 19:14.38 | *** join/#debian TekLas (~Slackware@84.126.191.94.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 19:14.55 | *** join/#debian crypted (~doobie@ip72-198-16-171.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 19:15.01 | drinkycrow | sounds like you're short |
| 19:15.17 | drinkycrow | never been a fan of gui on a linux box |
| 19:15.27 | LunarAvenger | feitingen: sorry, wish I knew others. kde is actually what I wanted to get into. |
| 19:15.31 | *** join/#debian gnaruag_ (~gnaruag@122.173.163.4) |
| 19:15.31 | *** join/#debian gnaruag (~gnaruag@122.173.163.4) |
| 19:16.17 | LunarAvenger | drinkycrow: depends, I dont exactly wanna learn every single command line code... and people like to show off graphics. |
| 19:16.33 | *** join/#debian themill (~stuart@unaffiliated/themill) |
| 19:16.40 | feitingen | LunarAvenger: i usually use enlightenment, but i broke it, so i'm sitting in twm atm |
| 19:16.41 | LunarAvenger | and does anyone know why I wouldnt have a xorg.conf file after install? |
| 19:17.04 | LunarAvenger | feitingen: broke? lol do tell. |
| 19:17.06 | drinkycrow | i think i remember reading something about that on the debian boards today |
| 19:17.25 | jhutchins_lt | feitingen: Perhaps your standards are too high for the reality of open source software. |
| 19:17.50 | LunarAvenger | ok... little help where and which forum? |
| 19:17.52 | drinkycrow | ^ |
| 19:18.13 | drinkycrow | not sure what you're trying to do graphics-wise |
| 19:18.34 | ZykoticK9 | LunarAvenger, by default you shouldn't have an xorg.conf file, you can create one if necessary. |
| 19:18.35 | LunarAvenger | um... not have xorg use 50%? |
| 19:18.40 | LunarAvenger | ahh |
| 19:18.42 | feitingen | LunarAvenger: i wanted to recompile, and got stuck on the dependencies, so it's borken for me |
| 19:18.47 | drinkycrow | um... |
| 19:19.06 | drinkycrow | what do you think most overhead goes to on any system with a gui? |
| 19:19.09 | drinkycrow | and 50% of what? |
| 19:19.11 | LunarAvenger | yea I am new to the linux scene, been trapped in windows for awhile. |
| 19:19.15 | jhutchins_lt | LunarAvenger: Which kernel do you have? |
| 19:19.38 | *** join/#debian Ox1 (~Ox1@s537575db.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 19:20.00 | LunarAvenger | drinkycrow: 50% CPU of one of my dual cores so... 1/4th of my total processor power is funneling into xorg |
| 19:20.03 | feitingen | jhutchins_lt: enlightenment is really good for my use, i just have trouble compiling it at the moment, so i'm looking for a temporary replacement |
| 19:20.47 | drinkycrow | i don't think i've ever had 25% of my cpu feed my desktop manager |
| 19:21.20 | LunarAvenger | jhutchins_lt: ah crap, how do I double check the kernel? it was a recent one, I just downloaded it a day or two ago |
| 19:21.22 | *** join/#debian veganman (~jason@209.249.149.97) |
| 19:21.36 | jhutchins_lt | uname -r in a console |
| 19:22.00 | LunarAvenger | thanx |
| 19:22.04 | *** join/#debian viper3210 (~kevin@ool-4351c2c6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 19:22.06 | LunarAvenger | jhutchins_lt: it says 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 19:24.10 | LunarAvenger | drinkycrow: I really really liked Knoppix, I liked how the graphics worked there, I heard it was based off of debian so I installed that. I really want to make my linux boot toram if possible, and so forth. |
| 19:24.35 | daemonkeeper | Sjors: Now, as I finished my dinner http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20100202T220747Z/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.7.25.3.tar.gz |
| 19:25.04 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@85-127-216-166.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 19:25.57 | drinkycrow | you're trying to load everything to ram and show off graphics? |
| 19:25.58 | *** join/#debian thomm_a (~root@chello213047148246.13.15.wu-wien.teleweb.at) |
| 19:26.19 | jhutchins | LunarAvenger: So squeeze then, and what GUI hardware/driver? |
| 19:26.37 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: ooooh |
| 19:26.39 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: nice! |
| 19:26.52 | drinkycrow | good luck LunarAvenger |
| 19:26.55 | Sjors | daemonkeeper: I wonder why it wasn't on the page - but yeah, that's the one, checksum is correct too! |
| 19:27.33 | LunarAvenger | drinkycrow: thank you, I am kinda diving facefirst into this. |
| 19:27.34 | *** join/#debian Tuxist (~quassel@dyndsl-085-016-199-007.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 19:27.52 | daemonkeeper | Sjors: It is. It is just the way how s.d.o gathers its archive data which makes it difficult to find a particular source package |
| 19:27.53 | drinkycrow | LunarAvenger, i have to ask for my own peace of mind |
| 19:27.54 | *** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host108-67-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:27.56 | drinkycrow | you did disable compiz? |
| 19:28.05 | jhutchins | LunarAvenger: Also what desktop? Are you using compiz or something? |
| 19:28.08 | LunarAvenger | jhutchins: yea squeeze sounds right, and I installed the default drivers... so I am not sure. |
| 19:28.41 | LunarAvenger | oh dear, I feel a bit lost now. I have whatever the defaults are. |
| 19:29.05 | LunarAvenger | whatever came with CD 1 |
| 19:29.10 | drinkycrow | LunarAvenger, you may want to check out lfs at some point. i'm planning on it if i ever get downtime again in my life |
| 19:29.23 | *** join/#debian Fyrespray^ (~Mark@78.32.255.161) |
| 19:29.27 | *** part/#debian thomm_a (~root@chello213047148246.13.15.wu-wien.teleweb.at) |
| 19:29.27 | *** join/#debian thomm_a (~root@chello213047148246.13.15.wu-wien.teleweb.at) |
| 19:30.25 | LunarAvenger | I made sure to use raiserfs on the harddrive because I found it to be faster |
| 19:30.34 | *** join/#debian EmleyMoor (phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com) |
| 19:30.34 | LunarAvenger | but the rest I wasnt too sure about |
| 19:31.08 | *** join/#debian Ox1 (~Ox1@s537575db.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 19:32.36 | *** join/#debian thommy_a1 (~grml@chello213047148246.13.15.wu-wien.teleweb.at) |
| 19:33.33 | *** join/#debian dekar__ (~dekar@drms-590c4a42.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 19:35.57 | *** join/#debian dutchfish (~wil@unaffiliated/dutchfish) |
| 19:36.35 | drinkycrow | careful LunarAvenger, reiserfs kills your wife |
| 19:36.42 | LunarAvenger | lol |
| 19:37.19 | *** join/#debian zepp^ (~zepp@j194139.upc-j.chello.nl) |
| 19:37.20 | *** join/#debian llua (~llua@unaffiliated/llua) |
| 19:37.31 | *** join/#debian G_O_D (~marco@host95.186-108-249.telecom.net.ar) |
| 19:38.29 | *** join/#debian aksn (~Username@173.pool85-60-158.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 19:38.34 | *** join/#debian Ox1 (~Ox1@s537575db.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 19:39.04 | daemonkeeper | While his wife might survive, pointing to ReiserFS may be a dead track, since development (nearly completely) stopped. |
| 19:39.22 | daemonkeeper | Which in turn /might/ have to do with dead wifes |
| 19:39.35 | *** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@93.186.151.239) |
| 19:40.34 | *** join/#debian fschwidom (~fschwidom@46.115.11.83) |
| 19:40.39 | LunarAvenger | well... he was a KDE and raiserfs guy. |
| 19:40.48 | *** join/#debian Sia- (~Sia-@0120600067.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 19:40.48 | *** join/#debian Sia- (~Sia-@unaffiliated/desian) |
| 19:41.18 | *** join/#debian IdleOne (~idleone@ubuntu/member/idleone) |
| 19:41.39 | themill | ummm... perhaps we could return to good taste? Such comments aren't really welcome. |
| 19:42.34 | *** part/#debian Sjors (~sgielen@2a01:4f8:130:3001:2102:1:0:1) |
| 19:43.55 | stevieman | I'm atempting to mount an additional HD. I've added the following to /etc/fstab but it did not mount the drive on bootup. /dev/sda /srv/software\ library ext4 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 19:43.56 | *** join/#debian schoappied (~derick@52499CDC.cm-4-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 19:44.02 | LunarAvenger | yea, I am simply trying to get into linux... currently the only system that has really impressed me was Knoppix... |
| 19:44.13 | stevieman | I can manually mount the drive no problem |
| 19:44.30 | schoappied | how do I check which video driver is in use? |
| 19:45.04 | *** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host108-67-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:45.07 | LunarAvenger | somehow i think i need the answer to that too |
| 19:45.53 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_lt (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 19:46.31 | *** join/#debian carlos_guerrilha (guerrilhag@200.145.119.137) |
| 19:46.32 | *** join/#debian ilogical_ (~ilogical@187.112.115.228) |
| 19:47.21 | *** join/#debian carlos_guerrilha (guerrilhag@200.145.119.137) |
| 19:47.58 | *** join/#debian RA3OR (angel@188.214.222.57) |
| 19:48.04 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_lt (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 19:48.13 | rgr | LunarAvenger: if you are only getting into Linux how do you feel Knoppic impressed you over others? |
| 19:48.18 | *** join/#debian datacrusher (guerrilhag@200.145.119.137) |
| 19:48.18 | *** join/#debian datacrusher (guerrilhag@unaffiliated/datacrusher) |
| 19:48.29 | *** join/#debian lilibox (~franta_bi@93.99.40.10) |
| 19:48.33 | lilibox | hi |
| 19:48.52 | rgr | And how did you measure reiserfs being faster than others? |
| 19:49.07 | lilibox | does anybody run virtualbox on debian machine in headless mode? |
| 19:49.18 | *** join/#debian lanthan (~ze@p54B7B891.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:49.31 | omes | lilibox: less meta more question and maybe you'll get an answer :P |
| 19:49.41 | LunarAvenger | rgr: it impressed me by simply being faster then everything else. by having better graphics then windows... |
| 19:49.55 | LunarAvenger | rgr: it worked instantly |
| 19:50.01 | rgr | how was it faster? What did you run that ran faster? |
| 19:50.20 | *** join/#debian cps0 (~cps0@las-gw.ic.unicamp.br) |
| 19:50.24 | *** join/#debian dserban (~dserban@24.67.96.21) |
| 19:50.27 | rgr | what grpahics did you find better than Windows? |
| 19:51.54 | *** join/#debian ignotusp (~ignotus@fleshless-dash.volia.net) |
| 19:52.02 | *** join/#debian lanthan (~ze@p54B7B891.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:52.12 | Bushmills | stevieman: use /srv/software\040library |
| 19:52.30 | stevieman | Bushmills: Ah great thanks |
| 19:53.19 | lilibox | omes> i need run winXP on debian machine, i choosed for virtualbox and winXP install, i do not need see winXP desktop often, ideal situation, i will no need touch it forever :), my debian machine is ATOM CPU ION with 1GB RAM |
| 19:53.48 | lilibox | i do not waste RAM with KDE or any similar real GUI |
| 19:54.12 | lilibox | then i am looking for solution how to make winXP running on virtualbox in headless mode |
| 19:54.12 | omes | lilibox: good luck with that... |
| 19:54.21 | *** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host108-67-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:54.25 | lilibox | VNC access to winXP machine is fine for me |
| 19:54.29 | lilibox | i do not need more |
| 19:54.49 | omes | lilibox: and you want to do this on an atom? |
| 19:55.01 | lilibox | yes |
| 19:55.04 | LunarAvenger | rgr: all of them. everything was better graphics then windows, I could have HD videos on multiple desktops without them lagging. |
| 19:55.16 | abrotman | points LunarAvenger and rgr at #debian-offtopic |
| 19:55.17 | omes | lilibox: get a VPS instead |
| 19:55.22 | rgr | sure.. |
| 19:55.33 | lilibox | atom is pretty powerfull, i compared it agains my first core 2 duo and it run just 15% less than C2D |
| 19:55.45 | LunarAvenger | heads off to off-topic but *still* needs help |
| 19:55.51 | omes | lilibox: i doubt that very much :) |
| 19:56.00 | lilibox | realy |
| 19:56.00 | rgr | what was your debian Q? |
| 19:56.11 | zleslie | Q? |
| 19:56.11 | lilibox | i used it for render |
| 19:56.42 | omes | lilibox: http://www.lighterra.com/papers/modernmicroprocessors/brainiacs14.png |
| 19:57.02 | lilibox | well, C2D runs that application in win7 and Atom the same app hoted in wime, maybe atom has better resource usage :) |
| 19:57.35 | lilibox | basicaly, i need that ATOM machine as second slave CPU for rendering :) |
| 19:57.46 | omes | lilibox: like i said, good luck. i'd opt to getting a cheap stand alone machine or just rent a cheap vps |
| 19:57.55 | *** join/#debian codespectator (~jamesmacl@cpc3-sout6-2-0-cust870.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 19:58.14 | *** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host108-67-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:58.19 | lilibox | well, my C2D is E4300 or soo |
| 20:00.07 | lilibox | omes> what about install VirtualBox then catch it via xterm, set everything in terminal window even run VNC on windows include LAN setting and then keep it to its own? |
| 20:00.31 | stevieman | Bushmils: That worked perfectly thanks, |
| 20:01.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1096] by debhelper |
| 20:01.16 | *** join/#debian uva_ (as@111-240-164-179.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 20:01.25 | *** join/#debian sandlst (~sandlst@71-91-21-1.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) |
| 20:02.17 | *** join/#debian mesutcan (~mesutcan@85.100.243.214) |
| 20:02.33 | *** join/#debian Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 20:03.13 | *** join/#debian Zapelius_ (~zapelius@a83-245-208-126.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 20:03.38 | *** join/#debian SgrA (~SgrA@unaffiliated/sgra) |
| 20:03.48 | kopotrik | daemonkeeper, nice downgrade failed... caused more problems than the solved one |
| 20:04.00 | daemonkeeper | kopotrik: You've been warned |
| 20:04.05 | kopotrik | i know :) |
| 20:04.12 | kopotrik | so i will open ssh from rescue and and take my backup |
| 20:04.40 | kopotrik | a fresh install is always something good |
| 20:04.41 | kopotrik | :) |
| 20:04.49 | kopotrik | it's.... refreshing |
| 20:05.03 | *** join/#debian AndroUser (~androirc@86.sub-174-255-194.myvzw.com) |
| 20:05.21 | *** join/#debian chaisen (~chaisen@p4FD496A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:06.14 | *** join/#debian AbsintheSyringe (~havoc@SE400.PPPoE-2881.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 20:06.15 | *** join/#debian doleyb_ (~pwickis@pool-173-76-249-18.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 20:07.03 | *** join/#debian Iridos (~boo@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 20:07.51 | *** join/#debian Drunkencommando (~androirc@86.sub-174-255-194.myvzw.com) |
| 20:07.53 | Zapelius_ | I'm wondering why does bzr depend on defoma, fontconfig, ttf-*, libgraphviz, xfonts-*, etc. ? I mean, its basically a command line utility? |
| 20:08.04 | Zapelius_ | I don't really want any of that stuff on a server. |
| 20:08.10 | *** join/#debian forfolias (~forfolias@193.92.237.164) |
| 20:10.23 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~lawl@a79-168-154-2.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 20:10.26 | zgedneil | Zapelius_: might that be related to bzr-gtk? |
| 20:10.41 | *** join/#debian slvmchn (~slvmecha@c-24-91-117-140.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 20:10.52 | *** join/#debian Guest75872 (~Unix@nat/hp/x-leziyalbzvokntpt) |
| 20:11.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1103] by debhelper |
| 20:11.36 | *** join/#debian Drunkencommando (~androirc@86.sub-174-255-194.myvzw.com) |
| 20:12.10 | *** join/#debian nsadmin2 (~nsadmin@unaffiliated/nsadmin) |
| 20:12.12 | *** join/#debian mendred (~quassel@customer4166.pool1.unallocated-107-0.orangehomedsl.co.uk) |
| 20:12.23 | *** part/#debian dawud (~dawud@161.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 20:14.00 | Zapelius_ | zgedneil, that would be acceptable, but now it isn't going to be installed. |
| 20:14.05 | *** join/#debian kjfletch (~user@cpc6-newc14-2-0-cust545.gate.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 20:15.07 | *** join/#debian Lesterwood (~gfdsg@lloyd-153079.reshall.umich.edu) |
| 20:15.34 | *** join/#debian efpc2003 (~efpc2003@r190-135-198-141.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 20:16.10 | *** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host108-67-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:16.30 | *** join/#debian jnix (~jnix@2001:470:1f0e:45::2) |
| 20:16.47 | *** join/#debian halflife08_ (~eragon@12.87.176.154) |
| 20:17.11 | zgedneil | Zapelius_: is this on stable or testing? |
| 20:17.20 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-45702956.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:17.32 | zgedneil | here on wheezy it seems to only depend directly on python and python-bzrlib |
| 20:17.49 | zgedneil | if "only" is the right word for a python dependancy :-) |
| 20:19.32 | Bushmills | Zapelius_: apt-cache depends bzr shows all those dependencies? |
| 20:19.50 | *** join/#debian Drunkencommando (~androirc@86.sub-174-255-194.myvzw.com) |
| 20:20.21 | Bushmills | stable does have more deps than testing, but not those you say there are |
| 20:20.36 | *** join/#debian larks (~larks@unaffiliated/larks) |
| 20:22.45 | *** join/#debian Niamkik (~Niamkik@2a01:e35:2f12:daf0:f4c8:3641:9f91:4ba2) |
| 20:22.50 | Zapelius_ | It's on stable. I also found just python, perl and some other small libs in recursive depends. interesting. |
| 20:22.51 | Bushmills | http://deps.scarydevilmonastery.net/bzr.svg (bzr debtree from stable) |
| 20:23.43 | zgedneil | Zapelius_: you sure it isn't wanting to install bzr-gtk or similar? |
| 20:23.43 | *** join/#debian jin1711 (~jin@95-25-248-143.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 20:24.31 | *** part/#debian efpc2003 (~efpc2003@r190-135-198-141.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 20:24.35 | *** join/#debian elkclone (~patrick@shellium/member/elkclone) |
| 20:25.17 | Zapelius_ | zgedneil, it isn't. bzr-gtk is in suggested packages |
| 20:25.18 | *** join/#debian Drunkencommando (~androirc@86.sub-174-255-194.myvzw.com) |
| 20:25.28 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@99-196-115-2.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 20:25.49 | *** join/#debian ZeroHour_ (~zerohour@adsl-240-3-155.jan.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:25.55 | *** join/#debian chaisen (~chaisen@p4FD496A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:26.19 | *** join/#debian op_amp (~Neeraj_Gu@59.177.195.118) |
| 20:27.15 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-45702956.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:28.26 | *** join/#debian efpc2003 (~efpc2003@r190-135-198-141.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 20:28.26 | Zapelius_ | hmm... it has to be the apt rules. it's wanting to install recommended packages. there is graphviz. |
| 20:28.43 | Zapelius_ | graphviz then depends on all that font/x11 stuff |
| 20:28.57 | zgedneil | bzrtools looks to be the culprit |
| 20:29.20 | Zapelius_ | yep |
| 20:29.31 | Bushmills | not even recommended. merely suggested |
| 20:30.20 | Bushmills | your apt is in mode "if you want the banana, you get the whole gorilla" |
| 20:30.25 | *** part/#debian efpc2003 (~efpc2003@r190-135-198-141.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 20:30.32 | *** join/#debian TrueDD (~truedd@unaffiliated/truedd) |
| 20:30.33 | *** join/#debian kaeos (~Miranda@90.164.135.241) |
| 20:30.46 | kopotrik | Bushmills, its better that "take all the forest" |
| 20:30.55 | *** join/#debian starenka__ (~starenka@ip-62-245-81-157.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 20:31.11 | Zapelius_ | I guess I'm going to tweak apt a little bit... |
| 20:33.05 | *** join/#debian abchirk (~abchirk@f052200004.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:33.30 | *** join/#debian noonoooo (~noonoooo@ppp-245-133.98-62.inwind.it) |
| 20:34.29 | Zapelius_ | really annoying recommendations on command line tools, these bloat one's. IMHO |
| 20:34.45 | *** join/#debian alyu (~alyu@84-217-117-232.tn.glocalnet.net) |
| 20:35.42 | ajikeshi | Zapelius_, you mean emacs? |
| 20:35.44 | jin1711 | hi. i have installed debian 6.0.1 kde amd64 and a few minutes after installation came a message about "audio device removed or there is no driver for it " i have installed alsa 1.0.23 and ATI HDMI audio device. whats wrong ? on i386 i havent problems like this |
| 20:35.57 | *** join/#debian dirtycookie (~xxx@mnch-5d86e4b9.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 20:36.09 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-45702956.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:36.18 | dirtycookie | hi i wanted to know what are the commands for diagnosing a harddisk |
| 20:37.05 | Zapelius_ | I can remember a time when a usable basic debian installation did fit fine on a 256Mb flash drive.... |
| 20:37.19 | *** join/#debian foetus (~norbi@dslb-188-103-233-243.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:37.20 | *** join/#debian mitrick (~mitrick@bas6-montreal02-1096645786.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 20:37.51 | dirtycookie | mine is quite bigger and is hocked onto a usb |
| 20:39.21 | *** join/#debian shingouz (shingouz@80-186-72-207.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 20:39.32 | *** join/#debian ColdFyre (~lenny@c-98-248-33-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 20:39.41 | *** join/#debian onura (~onur@95.15.176.129) |
| 20:39.45 | Zapelius_ | ajikeshi, emacs needs just +67Mb. bzrtools + recommendations take +47Mb. IMHO emacs is doing pretty well ;) |
| 20:40.13 | *** join/#debian Levi (~levi501d@173-8-248-29-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 20:40.52 | ajikeshi | Zapelius_, it was about bloated :D |
| 20:41.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1091] by debhelper |
| 20:41.09 | kopotrik | ohhh come ok |
| 20:41.13 | kopotrik | i fresh installed |
| 20:41.16 | kopotrik | debian |
| 20:41.25 | *** join/#debian manio (~mariusz@87-206-100-87.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 20:41.35 | kopotrik | and after i choose version on grub i get black screen |
| 20:41.51 | homie | why does usb printer recognition in squeeze fail ? |
| 20:42.23 | DammitJim | homie, are you using cups? |
| 20:42.27 | homie | i tried everything from creating the usb devices with makedev etc...tuning udev...but no dice |
| 20:42.35 | homie | yes |
| 20:42.36 | homie | cups |
| 20:42.37 | *** join/#debian peregrinator_six (~human@unaffiliated/peregrinator-six/x-3729336) |
| 20:42.45 | DammitJim | kopotrik, what card to you have? |
| 20:43.05 | homie | when i turn on the printer, it won't get recognized, nothing happens on kernel side i think |
| 20:43.13 | homie | even tho i have installed the firmware too |
| 20:43.21 | DammitJim | homie, are you using the browser to configure it? |
| 20:43.30 | DammitJim | and going to http://127.0.0.1:631 |
| 20:43.54 | homie | browser, hplip-gui, foo2zjs driver self installed, tried everything no dice |
| 20:44.08 | kopotrik | homie which printer? |
| 20:44.25 | *** join/#debian MUILTFN (~MLINTH@adsl-80-216-71.mcn.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:44.27 | homie | DammitJim: it has nothing todo with cups itself, the server is running, i think it's kernel libusb stuff or so |
| 20:44.43 | foetus | (offtopic) suggests using compat-wireless with the 2.6.32 kernel, if support for the latest atheros cards is needed, in companion with the firmware-atheros*all.deb |
| 20:44.48 | homie | kopotrik: it's a P1005 from hp |
| 20:45.07 | homie | kopotrik: laserjet, i know it worked with lenny |
| 20:45.17 | *** join/#debian preller (~preller@ip-2-204-174-119.web.vodafone.de) |
| 20:45.17 | *** join/#debian preller (~preller@unaffiliated/preller) |
| 20:45.19 | kopotrik | yeap it works |
| 20:45.27 | kopotrik | i had one |
| 20:46.36 | foetus | lan is working now. |
| 20:47.17 | *** join/#debian casosac1 (~casosac@190.43.160.91) |
| 20:47.24 | *** join/#debian HardDisk_WP (~marco@velirat.de) |
| 20:47.24 | *** join/#debian HardDisk_WP (~marco@wikipedia/harddisk) |
| 20:47.32 | kopotrik | wheezy has as default libreoffice or oo? |
| 20:48.51 | *** join/#debian khaleel5000 (~khaleel@119.159.197.40) |
| 20:49.10 | *** join/#debian Kazen_ (~Kazen@541F86A1.cm-5-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 20:49.40 | *** join/#debian xand (~xand@pdpc/supporter/active/xand) |
| 20:50.09 | *** join/#debian chaisen (~chaisen@p4FD496A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:50.16 | *** join/#debian Leoneof (~Leon@unaffiliated/leoneof) |
| 20:50.18 | ompaul | kopotrik: last time I checked it has both |
| 20:50.42 | *** join/#debian SgrA (~SgrA@unaffiliated/sgra) |
| 20:50.47 | *** join/#debian ROSHA (~rosha@91.99.237.87) |
| 20:51.43 | *** join/#debian derEini (~dereini@p5DCF5BBA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:51.49 | ompaul | apt-cache policy openoffice.org Candidate: 1:3.3.0-9 apt-cache policy libreoffice Candidate: 1:3.3.2-2 |
| 20:52.28 | ompaul | kopotrik: aiui there are good reasons to make both packages available |
| 20:52.58 | ompaul | (I have over 80k old star office (extn) docs spreadsheets to change |
| 20:53.36 | *** join/#debian xand (~xand@pdpc/supporter/active/xand) |
| 20:53.40 | *** join/#debian jrgp (foobar@rrcs-65-34-27-38.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 20:55.37 | *** join/#debian sandlst (~sandlst@71-91-21-1.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) |
| 20:56.00 | Jarvis | anyone know a reason why a process would suddenly corrupt its CPU count ? |
| 20:57.46 | *** join/#debian Worf (~worf@84.119.83.173) |
| 20:58.08 | jhutchins_lt | You know what they say in aviation. If the instruments suddenly show something stupid, suspect the instruments. |
| 20:59.54 | *** join/#debian binaryhat (~binaryhat@c-98-254-201-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 21:01.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1083] by debhelper |
| 21:01.46 | *** part/#debian jnix (~jnix@2001:470:1f0e:45::2) |
| 21:02.24 | *** join/#debian HazardX (~HazardX3@pool-98-118-58-91.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:02.53 | *** join/#debian Tom01 (~Tom@p5DDFFA1D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:03.11 | *** join/#debian A68000c (~s@195.Red-83-37-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:04.07 | *** join/#debian notspade (ubajas@cm-84.209.39.75.getinternet.no) |
| 21:04.25 | *** join/#debian NiLoni (nilon@62-113-191-177.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 21:04.25 | *** join/#debian NiLoni (nilon@unaffiliated/nilon) |
| 21:04.38 | *** join/#debian grul (~muttley@c80-216-144-242.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 21:04.59 | *** join/#debian jrgp (foobar@rrcs-65-34-27-38.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 21:05.18 | *** join/#debian Drunkencommando (~androirc@86.sub-174-255-194.myvzw.com) |
| 21:06.06 | shanepardue | Got most of Gnome3 in Side/experimental. Are the gtk2 apps looking bad because of missing gtk engines that haven't made their way to Debian yet? |
| 21:06.19 | *** join/#debian Tordek (tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/session) |
| 21:06.20 | *** join/#debian dijenerate (~dijenerat@204.212.240.167) |
| 21:06.22 | *** join/#debian Niamkik (~Niamkik@2a01:e35:2f12:daf0:f4c8:3641:9f91:4ba2) |
| 21:06.40 | *** part/#debian grul (~muttley@c80-216-144-242.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 21:06.54 | *** join/#debian phinaliumz (~doesnt@86-60-159-197-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 21:07.04 | *** join/#debian tonsofpcs (~tonsofpcs@cpe-69-205-240-64.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 21:07.28 | *** join/#debian chaisen (~chaisen@p4FD496A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:07.48 | *** join/#debian krushik (~mayday@84.17.25.149) |
| 21:07.53 | *** join/#debian sep (~sep@40.211.jostedal.no) |
| 21:08.07 | *** join/#debian Raptors (~Raptors@dsl-69-171-144-56.acanac.net) |
| 21:08.08 | *** join/#debian krushik (~mayday@84.17.25.149) |
| 21:08.33 | *** join/#debian Drunkencommando (~androirc@86.sub-174-255-194.myvzw.com) |
| 21:09.31 | *** join/#debian Niamkik (~Niamkik@2a01:e35:2f12:daf0:f4c8:3641:9f91:4ba2) |
| 21:10.24 | *** join/#debian sveva65 (~sverre@96.80-203-25.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:10.24 | *** join/#debian sveva65 (~sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) |
| 21:17.04 | *** join/#debian yamba (~Yamba@80.165.158.214) |
| 21:17.51 | *** join/#debian c0urier (~c0urier@c-89-233-201-92.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 21:19.23 | *** join/#debian davistv_ (~davistv@rrcs-24-123-168-254.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 21:19.42 | davistv_ | Hi everyone. I'm trying to setup a funky configuration, would love a little advice. |
| 21:19.59 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 21:20.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:20.15 | davistv_ | I've got a small linux box (guruplug) that I'm attaching a USB keyboard to. |
| 21:20.27 | davistv_ | It doesn't have video out, so there's no display. |
| 21:20.52 | davistv_ | But I really want to grab the keyboard input for a program that would capture that input and do something with it. |
| 21:21.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1074] by debhelper |
| 21:21.11 | davistv_ | So I tried a typical headless setup, but it doesn't see the usb keyboard once I connect via vnc. |
| 21:21.15 | *** join/#debian zerohero (~zerohero@84-217-133-92.tn.glocalnet.net) |
| 21:21.43 | davistv_ | Is there a way to run X11 without a monitor, but run a program within it that captures usb keyboard input? |
| 21:22.04 | *** join/#debian katsrc (~quassel@cpe-68-174-116-221.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 21:22.26 | *** join/#debian Guest33044 (~km@little-black-box.vmware.com) |
| 21:23.02 | *** part/#debian CyberGabber (~CyberGabb@31-183-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 21:23.16 | *** join/#debian jthomas_sb_ (~jthomas_s@8.12.76.218) |
| 21:23.29 | *** join/#debian Xethron (~nnscript@41.48.27.2) |
| 21:23.32 | davistv_ | I've also considered using some kind of keylogger, but it seems like overkill for this. |
| 21:24.33 | davistv_ | Anyone here? |
| 21:24.43 | Guest33044 | yes |
| 21:24.56 | davistv_ | Ah, the random guest. |
| 21:25.12 | lusotux | i thought they where extinct :D |
| 21:25.12 | Guest33044 | keylooger for what? |
| 21:25.15 | davistv_ | I don't suppose you have experience capturing usb keyboard input inside a headless environment? |
| 21:25.24 | davistv_ | I don't really need a keylogger. |
| 21:25.44 | davistv_ | I was trying to run X11 with a program of my own that would capture usb keyboard input and process it. |
| 21:25.45 | zgedneil | davistv_: if you're writing your own program you might be able to just monitor the relevant file under /dev/input |
| 21:25.50 | *** join/#debian Levi (~levi501d@173-8-248-29-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 21:26.15 | davistv_ | I didn't realize it was possible to monitor usb input that way, I'll check it out. |
| 21:26.24 | zgedneil | it should be if nothing else is using it |
| 21:26.27 | *** join/#debian bolt-work (~bolt@unaffiliated/bolt) |
| 21:26.54 | davistv_ | Hm, interesting. |
| 21:27.03 | davistv_ | I see my keyboard under by-id |
| 21:27.07 | davistv_ | So do you use tail on that? |
| 21:27.16 | zgedneil | I don't think there's a catch-all like /dev/input/mice for the keyboard, but... |
| 21:27.29 | zgedneil | not sure about text-processing as an approach |
| 21:27.35 | davistv_ | That's ok, I can see it. |
| 21:27.42 | *** join/#debian lost_sou1 (shawn@cpe-74-78-191-114.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 21:27.44 | *** join/#debian MrDoublesite (~mropposit@unaffiliated/mropposite) |
| 21:28.10 | zgedneil | it might take some digging to find out the format, I can't say I've ever dealt with it |
| 21:28.19 | zgedneil | I imagine it'll basically be scancodes though |
| 21:28.20 | davistv_ | I'll do some googling to see if there's a way to catch the input text. |
| 21:28.44 | Xethron | Heya Guys |
| 21:28.51 | *** join/#debian lost_soul (shawn@cpe-74-78-191-114.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 21:28.58 | *** join/#debian km (~km@little-black-box.vmware.com) |
| 21:30.33 | *** join/#debian orak3l__ (~orak3l@f048201038.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:31.50 | *** join/#debian jthomas (~jthomas_s@nat.sierrabravo.net) |
| 21:32.23 | *** join/#debian jaytaph (~jaytaph@dhcp-077-249-050-185.chello.nl) |
| 21:32.47 | zgedneil | davistv_: a thought occurs, is this the only keyboard you have connected, or an extra one? |
| 21:32.59 | *** join/#debian dijenerate (~dijenerat@204.212.240.167) |
| 21:33.59 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@139.182.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 21:34.02 | zgedneil | if it's the only one you might find the kernel "steals" the input |
| 21:34.10 | *** join/#debian MikeSee (~julius@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 21:34.27 | *** join/#debian ZenWalker (~r00t@unaffiliated/zenwalker) |
| 21:34.28 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 21:34.38 | ZenWalker | I can not load the nouveau driver |
| 21:34.48 | ZenWalker | (EE) [drm] failed to open device |
| 21:34.53 | ZenWalker | (EE) no devices detected |
| 21:36.40 | jhutchins_lt | ZenWalker: lspci -nn | grep -i vga -- post the 8 digit ID. |
| 21:36.57 | jhutchins_lt | ZenWalker: Which release? |
| 21:38.53 | jhutchins_lt | ZenWalker: oK, i'M OUT OF HERE. |
| 21:40.03 | ZenWalker | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation G94 [GeForce 9600 GT] [10de:0622] (rev a1) |
| 21:40.03 | Xethron | Heya guys! We are setting up a petition for Google Picasa to run on Linux. Google ceased the development on a windows binary of Picasa that was tweaked to run on wine due to lack of interest. We want to see if we can get Google to rethink this, and get them to create a native Linux version... Please join the cause. http://goo.gl/OWMv6 |
| 21:40.07 | ZenWalker | wheezy |
| 21:41.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1060] by debhelper |
| 21:41.13 | *** join/#debian derchris (~derchris@78-86-128-162.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:43.01 | Leoneof | hello, how to close a connection in the command line? |
| 21:43.27 | rudi_s | Leoneof: What connection? |
| 21:43.29 | *** join/#debian liable (~liable@unaffiliated/liable) |
| 21:43.31 | *** join/#debian em__ (~em@user-0cev0hn.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 21:44.47 | *** join/#debian MrCoffee (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 21:44.48 | Leoneof | rudi_s: i meant closing IP, i see in the netstat. |
| 21:45.23 | rudi_s | Leoneof: Why do you want to close the connection? (Stop the program, then the connection will end - after a short while.) |
| 21:46.00 | Leoneof | rudi_s: it is still appear , everything is closed. |
| 21:46.04 | *** join/#debian Cyanure (~Cyanure@81-65-195-65.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 21:46.42 | *** join/#debian sgn (~sgn@48.81-167-171.customer.lyse.net) |
| 21:47.00 | *** join/#debian kelsoo (~kelsoo@86.53.50.178) |
| 21:47.18 | *** join/#debian ymasory (~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 21:47.53 | *** join/#debian karsten-nr (~karsten@adsl-70-231-130-160.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:48.43 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-45702956.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:49.08 | rudi_s | Leoneof: It takes a while for the connection to time out. But if the process is dead nothing is sending/receving. |
| 21:49.28 | *** join/#debian Raptors (~Raptors@dsl-69-171-144-56.acanac.net) |
| 21:49.45 | *** join/#debian chinaboy (~Cnboy@117.136.4.237) |
| 21:49.49 | Leoneof | rudi_s: ok, i will wait and check it later, thanks. |
| 21:50.20 | rudi_s | np |
| 21:51.39 | *** join/#debian em__ (~em@user-0cev0hn.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 21:51.58 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 21:52.25 | chinaboy | myw liveCD version:2.79 |
| 21:53.47 | *** join/#debian AbsintheSyringe (~havoc@SE400.PPPoE-2881.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 21:53.48 | chinaboy | is it contain the sata drive? |
| 21:54.26 | *** join/#debian jthomas (~jthomas_s@nat.sierrabravo.net) |
| 21:55.16 | *** join/#debian lusotux (~asd@87-196-19-10.net.novis.pt) |
| 21:56.02 | *** part/#debian chinaboy (~Cnboy@117.136.4.237) |
| 21:57.07 | *** join/#debian tlab (~tlab@c-69-243-187-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 21:57.24 | *** join/#debian emma_ (~em@unaffiliated/emma) |
| 21:57.25 | *** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@187.107.33.88) |
| 21:58.55 | *** join/#debian Kazen (~Kazen@541F86A1.cm-5-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 21:59.45 | *** join/#debian dvs (~me@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 22:01.15 | *** join/#debian jojo466 (~chatzilla@dslb-084-061-048-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:02.08 | *** part/#debian jojo466 (~chatzilla@dslb-084-061-048-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:02.15 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-119545.home.otenet.gr) |
| 22:02.16 | *** join/#debian Butt3rfly (~Butt3rfly@5ac7cebd.bb.sky.com) |
| 22:02.16 | *** join/#debian Butt3rfly (~Butt3rfly@unaffiliated/ametrine) |
| 22:03.12 | *** join/#debian xiaoy (~unknown@151.95.200.28) |
| 22:08.02 | *** join/#debian Kazen (~Kazen@541F86A1.cm-5-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 22:08.15 | *** join/#debian L-Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-80-196-229.mcn.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:11.39 | ws2k3 | hi when i change an entry in my crontab do i need to restart anything ? |
| 22:13.24 | daemonkeeper | no |
| 22:13.32 | *** join/#debian kenjy (~kenjy@189.146.193.209) |
| 22:14.13 | *** join/#debian Vutral (gDKtXOQWaO@vutral.net) |
| 22:14.54 | *** join/#debian bier|tp (~bier@p54A5A35B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:16.27 | *** join/#debian Cibort (~Cibort@pc-79-60-86-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 22:16.27 | *** join/#debian Cibort (~Cibort@unaffiliated/cibort) |
| 22:17.30 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-45702956.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:17.55 | *** join/#debian MrGeneral (~MrGeneral@ipv6.miguelsp.net) |
| 22:19.17 | *** join/#debian Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 22:20.46 | *** join/#debian Raptors (~Raptors@dsl-69-171-144-56.acanac.net) |
| 22:21.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1045] by debhelper |
| 22:21.15 | *** join/#debian Vutral (ss@vutral.net) |
| 22:21.49 | *** join/#debian fredden (~dan@unaffiliated/fredden) |
| 22:22.43 | *** join/#debian Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 22:24.06 | *** join/#debian Gottaname (~Gottaname@bb121-6-177-218.singnet.com.sg) |
| 22:24.52 | *** join/#debian Gottaname2 (~Gottaname@bb121-6-214-232.singnet.com.sg) |
| 22:25.02 | homie | you just have to wait 1 h, 24h, or 1 week depending on the script ivoking interval time |
| 22:25.14 | *** join/#debian ronny (~ronny@pida/ronny) |
| 22:25.16 | *** join/#debian alphur (~joshua@cpe-76-90-165-115.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 22:25.17 | homie | well or invoke the script manually |
| 22:25.54 | *** join/#debian johndoy (~JohnDoy@31.147.99.93) |
| 22:26.01 | *** join/#debian bla (~bla@afdns.sownet.pl) |
| 22:28.15 | *** join/#debian Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc8-reig4-2-0-cust24.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 22:28.16 | *** join/#debian varlon (~sakal@95.73.245.18) |
| 22:28.54 | *** join/#debian satellit__ (~satellit@208-100-148-220.bendbroadband.com) |
| 22:29.22 | varlon | hi, how's know how to unsplit windows (or frames) in tmux? I know how to split (^b+" or ^b+%), but how to maximize (or unsplit) current region? |
| 22:29.44 | Leoneof | rudi_s: iptraf and firestarter still keeping the old ip connection |
| 22:29.47 | *** join/#debian satellit_f15 (~satellit@208-100-148-220.bendbroadband.com) |
| 22:30.09 | varlon | nevermind, I just find right channel |
| 22:30.20 | *** join/#debian treitter (~treitter@c-76-21-51-63.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 22:32.09 | *** join/#debian homie (~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-181.netcologne.de) |
| 22:32.22 | *** join/#debian katsrc (~quassel@cpe-68-174-116-221.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 22:33.28 | *** join/#debian SgrA (~SgrA@unaffiliated/sgra) |
| 22:34.34 | *** join/#debian dijenerate (~dijenerat@204.212.240.167) |
| 22:34.57 | *** join/#debian fr3nk (~a@87-97-125-68.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 22:35.15 | *** join/#debian rgr (~user@85.183.18.158) |
| 22:35.16 | rudi_s | Leoneof: Hm, and the programs aren't running anymore? |
| 22:36.00 | *** join/#debian shgz (~shgz@AOrleans-152-1-45-146.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:36.21 | Leoneof | rudi_s: no, it is not running |
| 22:36.24 | *** join/#debian ajikeshi (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi) |
| 22:36.42 | Leoneof | rudi_s: i'm trying to use vuumuur to disconnect it. |
| 22:36.42 | rudi_s | Hm, weird. (Just curious, how do you it's iptraf?) |
| 22:37.49 | Leoneof | rudi_s: sudo /usr/sbin/iptraf |
| 22:38.15 | rudi_s | Leoneof: I don't understand. |
| 22:38.29 | Leoneof | okay o_o |
| 22:39.11 | *** join/#debian bla (~bla@195.82.188.30) |
| 22:39.44 | *** join/#debian mocca (~mocca@bb121-7-59-218.singnet.com.sg) |
| 22:39.51 | *** join/#debian dvs (~me@206.248.136.46) |
| 22:41.16 | *** part/#debian LunarAvenger (869b6349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.155.99.73) |
| 22:41.50 | Leoneof | rudi_s: ok, vuumuur did help me to delete old connections |
| 22:42.02 | rudi_s | Ok. |
| 22:42.04 | *** join/#debian TMKCodes (~TMKCodes@unaffiliated/tmkcodes) |
| 22:42.11 | *** part/#debian varlon (~sakal@95.73.245.18) |
| 22:42.22 | *** part/#debian treitter (~treitter@c-76-21-51-63.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 22:43.37 | *** join/#debian homie` (~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-223.netcologne.de) |
| 22:43.43 | *** join/#debian meder (~shogun@li131-142.members.linode.com) |
| 22:43.51 | meder | my debian is failing to suspend when i hold down shutdown |
| 22:43.53 | meder | what can i do |
| 22:44.10 | meder | it doesnt offer the options for standby, etc |
| 22:47.05 | *** join/#debian phinaliumz (~doesnt@86-60-159-197-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 22:52.49 | *** part/#debian spal (~susam@pdpc/supporter/active/spal) |
| 22:53.52 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@99-196-115-2.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 22:54.49 | *** join/#debian miniCruzer (sam@unaffiliated/minicruzer) |
| 22:55.24 | *** join/#debian llua (~llua@unaffiliated/llua) |
| 22:57.31 | *** join/#debian MrGeneral (~MrGeneral@ipv6.miguelsp.net) |
| 22:57.46 | *** join/#debian afurlan_ (~afurlan@187.59.37.15) |
| 22:57.47 | *** join/#debian AciD_ (~quassel@41.69.50.123.dial.dyn.mana.pf) |
| 22:59.17 | *** join/#debian AndroUser (~androirc@79.109.69.161.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 22:59.47 | *** join/#debian rn (~locateroh@w046.z066236139.sat-tx.dsl.cnc.net) |
| 23:01.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1038] by debhelper |
| 23:01.03 | *** join/#debian Soul_Eater (~marcelo@187.127.127.17) |
| 23:01.03 | *** join/#debian Soul_Eater (~marcelo@unaffiliated/soul-eater/x-4649632) |
| 23:03.04 | *** join/#debian Vutral (4P3NK1BFDk@vutral.net) |
| 23:03.06 | *** join/#debian rnigam (~locateroh@w046.z066236139.sat-tx.dsl.cnc.net) |
| 23:03.15 | rnigam | I have a Xen Dom 0 running on Squeeze. How can I create ubuntu-server guest xen vm's on a squeeze from an iso file or directly from the ubuntu-server repos? |
| 23:03.20 | *** join/#debian mtx_init (~mtx_init@unaffiliated/medex) |
| 23:03.59 | *** join/#debian hallyn (~hallyn@cpe-70-123-154-172.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 23:05.31 | daemonkeeper | rnigam: Use xen-tools |
| 23:05.43 | *** join/#debian walterheck (~walterhec@5354CE58.cm-6-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 23:05.55 | *** join/#debian doleyb_ (~pwickis@pool-173-76-249-18.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:06.18 | rnigam | daemonkeeper : are you suggesting I use xm create -c configfile ? |
| 23:06.34 | daemonkeeper | rnigam: That are xen-utils |
| 23:07.32 | *** join/#debian Se-bash (~seba@unaffiliated/se-bash) |
| 23:07.33 | daemonkeeper | xen-tools provide you xen-create-image |
| 23:08.31 | rnigam | aahh.. thanks ! |
| 23:08.52 | *** join/#debian Cogito (~Cogito@2001:4ba0:fff1:c2::2) |
| 23:09.38 | *** join/#debian terranova (~terranova@afc170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:10.18 | *** join/#debian terranova (~terranova@afc170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:11.30 | *** join/#debian Amorphous (jan@unaffiliated/amorphous) |
| 23:11.31 | *** join/#debian telkkar (~telkkar@147.133.196.235) |
| 23:11.52 | *** join/#debian redDEADresolve (~redDEADre@ws055007.housing-tp.siu.edu) |
| 23:12.04 | *** join/#debian peregrinator_six (~human@unaffiliated/peregrinator-six/x-3729336) |
| 23:12.58 | *** join/#debian looneychunes (~loon@fl-71-2-137-253.dyn.embarqhsd.net) |
| 23:14.27 | looneychunes | hi. If I use only the debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso to install Debian, do I need only the debian-update-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso to update Debian? or can't I do that through aptitude without needing the update iso cd? |
| 23:14.30 | *** join/#debian sandlst (~sandlst@71-91-21-1.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) |
| 23:15.23 | *** join/#debian yyzz (~quassel@82.178.111.208) |
| 23:15.54 | RichiH | looneychunes: if it's installed, just use apt-get |
| 23:16.08 | RichiH | looneychunes: if you want actual iso images that update, use jigdo |
| 23:16.24 | *** join/#debian Vutral (ss@vutral.net) |
| 23:16.35 | looneychunes | RichiH: thanks. |
| 23:16.45 | *** join/#debian jeremym (~jsmartin@173-29-172-71.client.mchsi.com) |
| 23:18.07 | jeremym | what is a good gui hyperterminal program for debian? |
| 23:18.17 | daemonkeeper | telnet (I believe) |
| 23:18.19 | jeremym | and a console based one if you know of one |
| 23:18.36 | jeremym | i want to connect to a serial port on an aix box...telnet isnt going to work |
| 23:18.45 | daemonkeeper | Ah, ok, screen, minicom |
| 23:18.49 | *** join/#debian fer0x (~fer0x@xdsl-87-79-146-80.netcologne.de) |
| 23:18.55 | daemonkeeper | Either will work |
| 23:19.38 | daemonkeeper | Or, if you still prefer telnet, a socat hack might provide you a TCP socket |
| 23:22.18 | *** join/#debian Kevin` (~kevin@nelson.kwzs.be) |
| 23:25.02 | *** join/#debian SgrA (~SgrA@unaffiliated/sgra) |
| 23:25.15 | *** join/#debian aidan (~aidan@unaffiliated/aidan) |
| 23:25.57 | *** join/#debian zorrolero (~zorrolero@85.214.132.207) |
| 23:26.18 | *** join/#debian jonpacker (~contact@60-241-37-77.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 23:26.59 | *** join/#debian scoopex (~scoopex@85.214.140.184) |
| 23:27.07 | *** join/#debian esteel (JlhL84yDW0@planetnexuiz.de) |
| 23:27.10 | aidan | Is there a good log analyser? All of them seem a little dated (awstats, webalizer) |
| 23:27.15 | *** join/#debian debsan (~debsan@190.245.76.183) |
| 23:27.15 | *** join/#debian andrewklau (d177744d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.119.116.77) |
| 23:27.17 | *** join/#debian frikinz (~tee_bee@quinput.org) |
| 23:27.39 | *** join/#debian Kevin` (~kevin@nelson.kwzs.be) |
| 23:27.57 | Zitter | i have to install a pkg from ubuntu repo. which verson (maverick, lucid, etc.)is nearest to squeeze? |
| 23:29.07 | *** join/#debian Vutral (bOIW1ETknv@vutral.net) |
| 23:29.15 | andrewklau | I just installed Debian on a laptop which uses the Intel chip, anyone know why I have to restart the wireless many times just to connect? |
| 23:29.27 | daemonkeeper | Maybe LTS might come close in general, for the time being Maverick comes closest within release dates. Obviously this is no way supported and perhaps even a bad idea |
| 23:30.04 | *** join/#debian widelands (~aber@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) |
| 23:30.15 | jeremym | ty minicom worked great |
| 23:30.28 | *** join/#debian Ticho (~Ticho@unaffiliated/ticho) |
| 23:31.10 | *** join/#debian pingfloyd (~someguy@unaffiliated/pingfloyd) |
| 23:32.13 | *** join/#debian Levi (~levi501d@173-8-248-29-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 23:32.46 | phogg | minicom still exists? |
| 23:33.09 | daemonkeeper | Sure |
| 23:33.12 | looneychunes | yep |
| 23:33.47 | looneychunes | I've heard several people mention it to others, and also, use it as a recommendation...so I guess it still recieves a fair amount of use |
| 23:34.04 | daemonkeeper | Although, to date, it might be abused as serial terminal, rather than for modem connections actually. |
| 23:34.20 | phogg | probably |
| 23:34.20 | jeremym | yea thats what im using it for |
| 23:34.33 | *** join/#debian Holborn (~holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 23:34.38 | phogg | I can't think when I last used it... but sure enough it's still there. |
| 23:36.17 | wooster | Setting up dkim-filter (2.6.0.dfsg-1+lenny1) ... |
| 23:36.17 | wooster | Starting DKIM Filter: /etc/init.d/dkim-filter: line 45: 11199 Segmentation fault start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile "$PIDFILE" --exec "$DAEMON" -- $DAEMON_OPTS |
| 23:36.17 | wooster | invoke-rc.d: initscript dkim-filter, action "start" failed. |
| 23:36.26 | wooster | er, help |
| 23:37.15 | wooster | if i strace it looks like it's dying after |
| 23:37.15 | wooster | open("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 23:37.55 | *** join/#debian jrib (~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib) |
| 23:38.45 | *** part/#debian looneychunes (~loon@fl-71-2-137-253.dyn.embarqhsd.net) |
| 23:39.19 | *** join/#debian gnusosa (~ron@189.222.65.232.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) |
| 23:39.19 | *** join/#debian gnusosa (~ron@unaffiliated/gnusosa) |
| 23:39.57 | *** join/#debian L-Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-80-196-229.mcn.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:42.08 | *** join/#debian chetan (~chetan@110-174-91-56.tpgi.com.au) |
| 23:42.15 | Corey | wooster: Strange that you're seeing segfaults; what'd you compile yourself as a part of this chain, if anything? |
| 23:42.23 | wooster | nothing |
| 23:42.44 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions dkim-filter |
| 23:42.44 | wooster | it worked fine, i moved the disks to a new box (but similar hardware) |
| 23:42.46 | judd | Package dkim-filter on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.0.dfsg-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.6.0.dfsg-1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.8.2.dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.8.2.dfsg-1+b1; sid: 2.8.2.dfsg-1+b2; wheezy: 2.8.2.dfsg-1+b2 |
| 23:42.52 | wooster | and it segfauled thenafter |
| 23:42.57 | wooster | everything else continued to work just fine |
| 23:42.59 | wooster | but it broke |
| 23:43.13 | *** join/#debian op_amp (~Neeraj_Gu@59.177.195.118) |
| 23:43.14 | jhutchins_lt | Try 2.8.2 |
| 23:43.30 | wooster | how? pinning? |
| 23:44.02 | Corey | wooster: More than that, it looks like your locale settings are a bit hosed. |
| 23:44.22 | Corey | wooster: Try rerunning locale-gen? |
| 23:44.31 | wooster | ok |
| 23:45.04 | *** part/#debian andrewklau (d177744d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.119.116.77) |
| 23:45.10 | daemonkeeper | Corey: Which should be non fatal though, since falling back to C should always work |
| 23:45.16 | jhutchins_lt | !tell wooster about backports |
| 23:45.26 | *** join/#debian bla (~bla@afdns.sownet.pl) |
| 23:45.26 | jhutchins_lt | wooster: Backports doesn't require pinning. |
| 23:45.34 | *** join/#debian rettub (~amar@unaffiliated/rettub) |
| 23:45.41 | wooster | locale-gen didn't change anything |
| 23:46.51 | wooster | ok, i want to add deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main |
| 23:46.52 | wooster | right? |
| 23:46.54 | wooster | not squeeze |
| 23:47.43 | wooster | how do i made it use dkim-filter from backports? |
| 23:47.51 | wooster | oh, with pinning |
| 23:48.02 | *** join/#debian calisto (~calisto@unaffiliated/calisto) |
| 23:49.28 | *** join/#debian Entulho (~Entulho@189.34.19.195) |
| 23:49.41 | wooster | ok, works now, thanks! |
| 23:49.50 | wooster | btw, what is the purpose of /etc/default? |
| 23:50.01 | wooster | what is the difference between the configs in there and /etc/$package/ |
| 23:50.29 | daemonkeeper | /etc/default configures init scripts, not actual packages |
| 23:50.50 | daemonkeeper | That is /etc/default/$foo is perhaps read by /etc/init.d/$foo |
| 23:51.06 | wooster | ah, why's it called default? |
| 23:51.09 | daemonkeeper | Which might start $foo reading its configuration from /etc/$foo |
| 23:51.10 | *** join/#debian bps_ (~bps@pool-71-97-53-48.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 23:51.30 | daemonkeeper | Because you change default values for init scripts there |
| 23:51.48 | wooster | that kinda makes sense.. |
| 23:53.48 | *** join/#debian faw0 (~faw@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 23:54.23 | *** join/#debian IdleOne (~idleone@ubuntu/member/idleone) |
| 23:54.38 | *** join/#debian orak3l_ (~orak3l@unaffiliated/orak3l) |
| 23:56.25 | *** part/#debian aidan (~aidan@unaffiliated/aidan) |
