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| 00:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mencoder surely also can do that... and probably quite a lot of other programs |
| 00:00.15 | memnon | hell_: mplayer -ao pcm -vo null myvideo.mp4 |
| 00:00.26 | memnon | hell_: This gives you a file audiodump.wav |
| 00:00.26 | themill | last time I needed to do this I used faad and lame together |
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| 00:00.48 | memnon | Of course, just one way to do it... |
| 00:00.55 | ranix | I think I last converted ogg to mp3 with mencoder? |
| 00:00.58 | ranix | that sound right? |
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| 00:01.15 | ranix | there are so many ways to do it that I don't know one specific one, hell_ |
| 00:01.32 | EugenMayer | how to set the GCC compiler to use ( i need to use 4.1.3 for compiling the vmware-tools kernel modules ) |
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| 00:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell_, apt-cache show pacpl |
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| 00:02.34 | ranix | EugenMayer: you can set a specific compiler in your makefile or use the specific version binary i.e. gcc-4.1 foo.c |
| 00:02.50 | ranix | EugenMayer: if you look at /usr/bin/gcc or wherever it is you'll see it's a simlink |
| 00:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer, CC=gcc-4.1 in the makefile... |
| 00:03.14 | ranix | aym |
| 00:03.22 | ranix | ffff loratadine |
| 00:03.30 | hell_ | http://paste.org/7840 |
| 00:03.54 | jdu | what happens if I run ./MAKEDEV not in /dev? |
| 00:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell_, I meant YOU should read that :) not show it to us |
| 00:04.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell_, that looks to me like the type of scripts you're looking for |
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| 00:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never used it, though |
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| 00:05.10 | jdu | nothing |
| 00:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's 28648 packages in the repositories I use... it's unlikely I'll ever have tried all of them :) |
| 00:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jdu, I think MAKEDEV is only a dummy since udev |
| 00:06.22 | jdu | that makes sense; oh well |
| 00:07.21 | EugenMayer | ranix: wasnt there something like GCC=4.1.3 ./configure |
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| 00:07.59 | ranix | EugenMayer: I'm not familiar with automake, you'll have to ask someone else that one |
| 00:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer, look in ./configure --help |
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| 00:08.25 | EugenMayer | CutMeOwnThroat: my problem is, iam not runnin configure on my own |
| 00:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian package? |
| 00:08.38 | EugenMayer | i have to run ./vmware-tools-install.pl |
| 00:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ew |
| 00:08.47 | EugenMayer | vmware.. |
| 00:09.07 | themill | !vmware compiler fix |
| 00:09.07 | dpkg | To solve the vmware compiler problem ("Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 4.2.3 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.1.3") in an ugly but effective way: mkdir -p ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin:$PATH; ./vmware-setup.pl; rm ~/bin/gcc |
| 00:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions open-vm-tools |
| 00:09.21 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: open-vm-tools -- etch-backports/contrib: 2008.07.01-102166-3~bpo40+2 lenny/contrib: 2008.11.18-130226-1lenny2 squeeze/contrib: 2009.04.23-162451-1 sid/contrib: 2009.05.22-167859-3 |
| 00:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't "open-vm-tools - tools and components for VMware guest systems (CLI tools)" the same thing? |
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| 00:11.52 | Wicked | hmm guys i got a weird problem and i dont know whats the cause. ive got 4.0 running as a server and i ssh and use screen...but now for some reason when i ssh(sshing in from a ubuntu desktop using konsole as my terminal) when i right click it doesnt bring up the menu to select copy or paste |
| 00:13.56 | Phased | Reinstall, it Wicked . |
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| 00:14.29 | dkr | Wicked: sounds like an issue in your terminal on the ubuntu end. |
| 00:14.31 | Grim76 | Wicked sounds like that is on the Ubuntu end and not on the debian end. |
| 00:14.50 | Wicked | hmm ok. i wasnt really sure where to start. |
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| 00:15.25 | dkr | Wicked: figure out what terminal it is first. likely gnome-terminal then search for probelsm with that and right-click menu not working |
| 00:15.38 | Wicked | its konsole |
| 00:15.46 | Wicked | i prefer konsole over the gnome-terminal |
| 00:16.11 | Wicked | and i wasnt getting many hits...do you think it could be some openssh setting? or most likely konsole related |
| 00:16.46 | Grim76 | The remote system should not cause issues with local copy and paste. |
| 00:17.06 | EugenMayer | judd: so there are backports for vmwaretools? |
| 00:17.06 | judd | EugenMayer: Error: "so" is not a valid command. |
| 00:17.35 | Wicked | ah ok |
| 00:17.41 | dkr | Wicked: as we said, it is the terminal program, so yes, konsole related |
| 00:18.30 | abrotman | Phased: what kind of silly advice is that ? |
| 00:18.48 | abrotman | Wicked: tried without screen ? |
| 00:19.16 | Wicked | yea. doesnt seem to work. i just found this bug that sounds like my issue http://lists.kde.org/?l=konsole-devel&m=123580808310857&w=2 |
| 00:19.25 | Phased | abrotman, It's not silly at all. |
| 00:19.32 | dkr | if you run windows |
| 00:19.48 | abrotman | Phased: you didn't even give him time to explain .. yes, it was silly |
| 00:19.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, also, if you run suse and reinstall debian :-P |
| 00:19.57 | Phased | It was funny, not silly. |
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| 00:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, fellow brother, you're also one who is the only one to laugh at his jokes |
| 00:20.43 | abrotman | that's a lot of goofy mistakes to get that bug :) |
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| 00:21.26 | Grim76 | Looks like one of those when the planets all align bugs. |
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| 00:22.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 00:22.04 | ttuttle | Hi. |
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| 00:22.27 | ttuttle | I'm running Debian unstable, and if I try to install gimp, I get that it depends on libwebkit-1.0-1, which is not isntallable. |
| 00:22.34 | abrotman | ttuttle: well known .. see the BTS |
| 00:22.42 | ttuttle | Is there a fix? |
| 00:22.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | now hold down the f1-key while you draw an '8' on the lower-left corner of your screen with the mouse... doing that, hit the letter "l" with your tongue and there you see the bug |
| 00:22.58 | Wicked | yea i just confirmed thats the same bug thats affecting me. oh well. at least they know about it |
| 00:23.01 | abrotman | ttuttle: see the BTS, i don't think there is |
| 00:23.04 | ttuttle | :( |
| 00:23.09 | ttuttle | That sucks., |
| 00:23.15 | ttuttle | Why does gimp need webkit anyway? |
| 00:23.15 | abrotman | that's part of running unstable |
| 00:23.24 | abrotman | ttuttle: i think it's the HTML documentation .. i don't remember |
| 00:23.29 | ttuttle | :( |
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| 00:23.41 | abrotman | yeah .. keep frowning .. or run stable and smile all day long! |
| 00:23.49 | ranix | CutMeOwnThroat: lol I can prss L and F1 with my left hand now that I've been playing piano |
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| 00:24.00 | ranix | my range of motion is up like 10% |
| 00:24.15 | ranix | between thumb and 5th finger |
| 00:24.21 | abrotman | thinks ranix should take his claritan-enhanced brain back to #debian-offtopic |
| 00:24.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, also press print-screen and kp-+ to reproduce |
| 00:24.31 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind! |
| 00:24.57 | ranix | well it was a bit off topic, but related to conversation! |
| 00:26.12 | s14ck | is back (gone 01:33:39) |
| 00:26.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | s14ck, I think if you handn't been gone you'd have seen people asking you to switch that off |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | !tell s14ck about away |
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| 00:44.44 | Malf | For remote ssh access, trying to avoid piles of logs of people spamming connection attempts what's my best bet? Do I want to set up port knocking, go for some sort of iptables filter to add repeat connects to hosts.deny, just switch the default port? |
| 00:44.48 | Malf | or something else entirely |
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| 00:51.13 | dondelelcaro | Malf: I suggest fail2ban |
| 00:51.27 | dondelelcaro | Malf: it's simple, and resolves the issue fairly elegantly |
| 00:51.55 | Malf | dondelelcaro: that looks pretty good. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 00:59.45 | bzzz | hi, is there something wrong with security.debian.org ? I cant apt-get update. It stops there |
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| 01:00.28 | abrotman | bzzz: ctrl-c and try again |
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| 01:00.50 | bzzz | abrotman, i've being doing that all night |
| 01:00.59 | hoohaah | any of you know how to get ssh to create an interactive shell |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | bzzz: which security.debian.org IP are you getting ? |
| 01:01.16 | hoohaah | i assumed ssh -t would force creation of TTY on other end and reference TERM= but it doesn't appear to do so |
| 01:01.42 | hoohaah | the test is with a .bash_login on the remote end that echos some statements |
| 01:02.02 | jdu | interactive shell for user on remote machine? |
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| 01:02.37 | bzzz | abrotman, how can I c that. dig replies several IPs |
| 01:02.43 | jdu | ssh -X user@ip DISPLAY=:0; xterm & |
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| 01:03.54 | abrotman | bzzz: you can look to see where you're trying to connect to |
| 01:04.13 | bzzz | abrotman, 128.31.0.36, 128.101.240.212, 130.89.149.225, 149.20.20.6, 195.20.242.89, 212.211.132.32, 212.211.132.250 |
| 01:04.26 | bzzz | abrotman, how? |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | netstat ? |
| 01:04.40 | hoohaah | jdu: nah, it's just so that I can get bash to start somethings for me when i login to remote server |
| 01:04.40 | bzzz | ok, ill try, thx |
| 01:04.57 | hoohaah | afaik, ssh creates non-interactive shell |
| 01:06.13 | agaran | use -t ? or read fine manuals |
| 01:06.28 | IamSOG | !sources.list |
| 01:06.28 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 01:06.34 | hoohaah | agaran: yeah, i mentioned it in your scrollback |
| 01:07.02 | agaran | hoohaah: i just peek, sorry for duplicating hints |
| 01:07.27 | hoohaah | manuals don't address this, unfortunately |
| 01:07.39 | hoohaah | well, debian squeeze manual for ssh, at least |
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| 01:08.21 | abrotman | !tell IamSOG about msg the bot |
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| 01:09.26 | agaran | hoohaah: tried ssh -X user@machine -t "DISPLAY=:0 xterm &" |
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| 01:10.10 | bzzz | thx abrotman, i can see now its an ISP problem. even google.com is lazy here. |
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| 01:10.33 | agaran | hoohaah: -t "(xterm &); bash" this works for me |
| 01:10.41 | agaran | hoohaah: but that depend what kind of shell you use |
| 01:10.42 | bzzz | i ll try again in the morning. bye |
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| 01:16.15 | agaran | anyone know tool that replace terminal sequences with its effect? |
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| 01:16.29 | agaran | so foo^wbar will appear as bar |
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| 01:17.18 | DynamicPink | Is there any way to tell what package brought mysql with it? I didn't install it, but it is on my machine now. |
| 01:18.09 | DynamicPink | apt-cache depends mysql doesn't find anything |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | aptitude why |
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| 01:26.24 | Selveste1_ | DynamicPink: try to remove mysql and se what packegas it will try to remove :P |
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| 01:30.09 | abrotman | or use aptitude why |
| 01:30.33 | nsadmin | I thought he left... |
| 01:30.38 | Selveste1_ | !laptop |
| 01:30.39 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode>, <suspend troubleshooting>. |
| 01:30.43 | Selveste1_ | nsadmin: he is :P |
| 01:31.12 | Selveste1_ | !thinkpad |
| 01:31.12 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models may restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html . See also <mwavem>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>, <synaptics>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ http://forum.thinkpads.com/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:31.19 | abrotman | Selveste1_: msg the bot |
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| 01:31.35 | nsadmin | Selveste1_: /msg dpkg msg the bot |
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| 01:32.33 | nsadmin | (from that factoid...) not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. |
| 01:32.43 | Selveste1_ | abrotman & nsadmin: I know but the ch is dead anyways :P |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | it doesn't matter |
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| 01:33.11 | cusco | hi |
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| 01:33.12 | Selveste1_ | okay - I will remember that |
| 01:33.18 | nsadmin | when you or anyone sends anything, the server resends it about 900 times |
| 01:33.30 | cusco | rename .sh .sh.html *.sh |
| 01:33.33 | cusco | used to work |
| 01:33.42 | cusco | now it spits a "syntax error at (eval 1) line 1, near "."" |
| 01:34.08 | ma3x_ | hi is there a way to convert this password to IPSec secret? !enc_GroupPwd=29087248482G328 ........ |
| 01:34.13 | enouf | cusco: try rename ,/.sh .... |
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| 01:34.19 | puddingpimp | Emdebian Crush, does it support EABI (armel) or only OABI (arm) or both? |
| 01:34.29 | abrotman | !tell puddingpimp about emdebian |
| 01:34.31 | cusco | enouf: what is ,/ ? |
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| 01:34.52 | enouf | cusco: . is echo $PWD |
| 01:35.20 | enouf | cusco: ./ just contains the leading / |
| 01:35.32 | cusco | you sayd ,/ (comma) |
| 01:35.40 | nsadmin | tipo :) |
| 01:35.42 | enouf | ouch .. sorry |
| 01:35.51 | cusco | thought it was som reg exp stuff |
| 01:35.53 | enouf | cusco: try rename ,/.sh .... <-- comma? |
| 01:35.57 | enouf | sorry |
| 01:36.10 | cusco | np |
| 01:36.13 | enouf | this friggin reverse video font is killing me |
| 01:36.22 | ma3x_ | anyone can you tell me about vpnc? |
| 01:36.26 | cusco | and u were killing me |
| 01:36.48 | cusco | ma3x_: perhaps apt-cache show |
| 01:36.50 | enouf | cusco: may i offer you some chicken soup to help heal? :-) |
| 01:37.02 | ma3x_ | cusco: apt-cache show what? |
| 01:37.06 | cusco | lol :) thhanks |
| 01:37.06 | nsadmin | ma3x_: too general. try searching first, come up with specific questions |
| 01:37.13 | ma3x_ | i'm trying to convert password from cisco client to vpnc |
| 01:37.14 | cusco | ma3x_: vpnc |
| 01:37.31 | cusco | sorry, dunno |
| 01:37.38 | enouf | ma3x_: convert? or .. er crack? |
| 01:38.21 | enouf | what's those cracker things, one has rainbow in it's name, another has .. er .. f it |
| 01:38.22 | ma3x_ | enouf: not crack just convert |
| 01:38.26 | puddingpimp | abrotman, thanks, I'll ask on OFTC |
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| 01:38.40 | ma3x_ | enouf: i got the group password but it's kind of encrypted |
| 01:38.55 | enouf | ma3x_: have you looked in the windows registry? ;-) |
| 01:39.07 | ma3x_ | enouf: and IPSec secret should be different |
| 01:39.14 | enouf | ok ok |
| 01:39.17 | ma3x_ | enouf: tell me what should i google for? |
| 01:39.33 | enouf | ma3x_: no idea -- just going off instinct |
| 01:39.33 | nsadmin | type what you want to find out about |
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| 01:41.48 | ma3x_ | well i want to find out if i can convert enc password for cisco vpn client to vpnc for linux IPSec secret |
| 01:42.09 | nsadmin | ma3x_: type that exact thing into google |
| 01:43.06 | ma3x_ | google's not that human |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | did you try? |
| 01:43.33 | enouf | if the encryption methods vary then decryption methods are needed - hence; crack -- AFAICT |
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| 01:50.06 | nsadmin | ma3x_: try it and see what happens |
| 01:50.28 | ma3x_ | enouf: well thanks crack worked |
| 01:50.52 | ma3x | i found online decryption website |
| 01:50.56 | nsadmin | if you don't do that, you won't gain any ability to do research, and that's a problem, because then the only way you can learn is to have others answer your questions |
| 01:51.27 | nsadmin | if you forget an answer, then what? you have to ask again and get an answer |
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| 01:52.10 | Tramp | well, he could write down the answer. |
| 01:52.11 | nsadmin | and that's a problem because you depend on people when you should be able to find answers yourself |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | Tramp: that's crazy talk |
| 01:52.51 | nsadmin | Tramp: the problem there is he's avoiding having to read things that are already written, presently that's not possible for him |
| 01:53.55 | nsadmin | or at least not convenient :P |
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| 02:04.30 | parolang | Hello. I just used the update alternatives script to change my window manager, but the system isn't starting my preferred window manager because, I think, it is at a lower priority level than the alternative. How do I either bypass the priority level or increase the priority level of my chosen window manager? |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | parolang: do you have anyting in ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc ? |
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| 02:05.01 | dondelelcaro | parolang: the priority level just sets the default. If you've configured it to launch yours, it's now the default. |
| 02:05.15 | stew | parolang: unless the alternative is marked auto (which it shouldn't be if you selected one), then the priority shouldn't matter |
| 02:05.48 | eidolon | hi folks, i'm -really- trying to navigate debian.org's website, but it's being insanely frustrating. all i want is a bootable .img file for a USB drive so i can configure one of my new rackable hosts. can someonegive me a pointer where to find a Lenny debian netinst .img file for a USB stick? |
| 02:06.16 | parolang | abrotman: Let me check. |
| 02:06.27 | jpinx | eidolon: the standard installer will do |
| 02:06.31 | stew | eidolon: debian doens't provide on, there are instructions for making on in the install guide. see /msg dpkg usb-install ; /msg dpkg ig |
| 02:06.37 | parolang | abrotman: no |
| 02:06.38 | stew | ^on^one |
| 02:06.59 | stew | parolang: can you pastebin the output of "update-alternatives --display x-window-manager"? |
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| 02:07.36 | parolang | stew: Okay, will do |
| 02:07.44 | eidolon | jpinx / stew - the 'standard installer'? ala, the netinst ISO? that's not a USB image, and i don't have a debian machine here to build a new image from. |
| 02:07.51 | eidolon | all i want is a netinst usb img. |
| 02:08.00 | jpinx | eidolon: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 02:08.18 | eidolon | jpinx: please navigate the i386 link on that page and show me where a .img is |
| 02:08.25 | eidolon | because. it isn't. it goes to an ftp site in the netherlands. |
| 02:09.12 | stew | eidolon: debian doesn't provide such an image |
| 02:09.34 | eidolon | considers punting debian. :-/ |
| 02:09.44 | jpinx | eidolon: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 02:09.59 | eidolon | i see initrd, linux, and pxelinux.0 |
| 02:10.04 | eidolon | and i do... what with those? |
| 02:10.15 | pickcoder | !usbinstall |
| 02:10.20 | pickcoder | meh |
| 02:10.42 | pickcoder | usb install |
| 02:10.46 | pickcoder | !usb install |
| 02:10.46 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 02:11.34 | jpinx | eidolon: copy the linux .iso , dd it to a usb stick and boot it |
| 02:11.59 | parolang | stew: http://pastebin.com/d19ae561a |
| 02:12.41 | parolang | stew: But, when I restart my system, it logs me back into openbox. |
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| 02:13.02 | nsadmin | then you're not booting from the usb? |
| 02:13.39 | jpinx | eidolon: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#businesscard-stable |
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| 02:14.39 | eidolon | bleah. |
| 02:14.43 | eidolon | i don't have bittorrent set up. |
| 02:14.52 | stew | eidolon: what kind of system are you installing onto? |
| 02:14.59 | eidolon | rackable dual opteron |
| 02:15.10 | jpinx | eidolon: there are other download methods there |
| 02:15.19 | stew | parolang: that looks fine. and you are logging into a graphical login manager? like gdm? |
| 02:15.23 | eidolon | i have a boot.img.gz i'm going to zcat onto the usb stick and try it |
| 02:15.26 | eidolon | got it from here: |
| 02:15.29 | eidolon | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 02:15.46 | stew | eidolon: did you also put a .iso onto the usb after zcat? |
| 02:15.49 | jpinx | eidolon: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 02:16.02 | pickcoder | eidolon: you'll need more than that to run the installer |
| 02:16.08 | stew | eidolon: you wouldn't want the businesscard.iso for this |
| 02:16.18 | eidolon | sighs |
| 02:16.18 | pickcoder | just get the installer ISO and dd it to the drive as noted before |
| 02:16.25 | parolang | stew: You know, I think I just found it. x-session-manager is still set for lxde which launches openbox. |
| 02:16.37 | jpinx | stew why not? |
| 02:16.40 | eidolon | which of the various urls that have been pasted is the installer iso? |
| 02:16.59 | pickcoder | jpinx: has pasted such links |
| 02:17.05 | jpinx | the businesscard .iso worked from a USB for me |
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| 02:17.29 | jpinx | eidolon: the last link I posted |
| 02:17.38 | parolang | stew: Okay...I'm confused. Using update-alternatives for x-session manager only gives me options for lxde or openbox-session. How do I set it to automatically start stumpwm? |
| 02:17.49 | eidolon | that's the businesscard iso. you guys said the businesscard iso won't work. |
| 02:17.53 | eidolon | (10:16:09 PM) stew: eidolon: you wouldn't want the businesscard.iso for this |
| 02:18.01 | jpinx | the businesscard .iso worked from a USB for me |
| 02:18.07 | eidolon | ok |
| 02:18.09 | stew | eidolon: i'm sorry, the businesscard would work |
| 02:18.33 | eidolon | downloading the businesscard iso |
| 02:18.43 | eidolon | dd if=blah.iso of=/dev/sdc - yes? |
| 02:18.54 | eidolon | (assuming that's my pen drive, natch) |
| 02:18.58 | jpinx | eidolon: dd it onto your usb stick and boot it |
| 02:19.01 | eidolon | ok |
| 02:19.06 | eidolon | 40second eta. |
| 02:19.17 | eidolon | [hearts] wget |
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| 02:19.42 | stew | eidolon: if you've already zcat the hd img, then no, you'd mount the usb stick and copy the .iso as a file to the filesystem on the usb |
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| 02:19.50 | eidolon | errr. |
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| 02:20.23 | enouf | hopes it's not fat |
| 02:20.28 | stew | its fat |
| 02:20.30 | jpinx | he hasn't stew |
| 02:20.36 | stew | jpinx: no? |
| 02:20.42 | enouf | ouch |
| 02:20.47 | jpinx | he's d'loading the .iso |
| 02:20.57 | stew | 22:15 < eidolon> i have a boot.img.gz i'm going to zcat onto the usb stick and try it |
| 02:20.58 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | what is the A next to the package name in aptitude |
| 02:21.01 | stew | i read that as he already had |
| 02:21.04 | stew | which he should |
| 02:21.06 | eidolon | no i haven't |
| 02:21.08 | jony123 | whats a quick good ftp server? |
| 02:21.10 | eidolon | okay. i have boot.img.gz |
| 02:21.12 | eidolon | and i have an iso |
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| 02:21.18 | jpinx | just dd it onto your usb stick eidolon |
| 02:21.20 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | i= installed A= ? |
| 02:21.21 | stew | eidolon: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-easy |
| 02:21.32 | abrotman | amd64deb-2-6-24: auto |
| 02:21.36 | stew | eidolon: you zcat the hd image to the usb, mount the usb, then copy the iso |
| 02:21.36 | eidolon | oky. |
| 02:21.36 | abrotman | i think |
| 02:21.39 | eidolon | got it. |
| 02:21.40 | jpinx | forget the boot.img.gz - you don't need it |
| 02:21.41 | eidolon | tries. |
| 02:21.44 | eidolon | l... |
| 02:21.51 | eidolon | wtf?!? |
| 02:21.55 | eidolon | will you guys make some goddamned sense? |
| 02:22.01 | jpinx | there's 2 ways of doing this |
| 02:22.04 | eidolon | one says zcat the boot image, one says forget it. |
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| 02:22.14 | jpinx | stew is telling you one way and I am telling you another |
| 02:22.16 | enouf | eidolon: relax |
| 02:22.20 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | thank you |
| 02:22.37 | jony123 | can someone tell me a good quick ftp server |
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| 02:22.50 | jpinx | eidolon: my way was to dd the .iso onto the usb stick and boot it |
| 02:22.52 | nsadmin | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 02:23.20 | eidolon | so either i dd the iso into the raw drive. or i zcat the boot image, mount it, and copy the iso |
| 02:23.24 | jpinx | stews way was to copy the .iso onto the mounted usb stick |
| 02:23.25 | epsilon | ftp.<yourcountrycode>.debian.org |
| 02:23.48 | jpinx | my way zaps everything on the usb drive, stews wa doesn't |
| 02:23.53 | eidolon | well neither of these are going to work because my pen drive is too small. |
| 02:24.04 | stew | jpinx: my way zaps everything on the usb drive |
| 02:24.16 | jpinx | stew - really? Ooops |
| 02:24.23 | eidolon | of course it does. |
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| 02:24.28 | eidolon | zcatting the image directly to the raw drive? |
| 02:24.32 | jpinx | what size drive eidolon? |
| 02:24.37 | eidolon | sec. |
| 02:25.10 | eidolon | hang on |
| 02:25.20 | jpinx | eidolon: the image is only 40Mbs or thereabouts |
| 02:25.22 | eidolon | looks like a 256meg drive. |
| 02:25.46 | eidolon | ahh. i misplaced a decimal point. 60meg total space needed. |
| 02:25.49 | jpinx | eidolon: what size .iso did you download? |
| 02:26.05 | eidolon | -rw-r--r-- 1 dbs dbs 20M 2009-06-02 22:19 boot.img.gz |
| 02:26.05 | eidolon | -rw-r--r-- 1 dbs dbs 40M 2009-04-13 18:27 debian-501-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 02:26.07 | eidolon | i'm good. |
| 02:26.12 | stew | "Note that, although convenient, this method does have one major disadvantage: the logical size of the device will be limited to 256 MB, even if the capacity of the USB stick is larger" |
| 02:26.19 | stew | 256 megs will work |
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| 02:26.43 | eidolon | just have to make sure i dd to the right device and not blow away one of my local partitions. |
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| 02:27.08 | jpinx | stew - yea - but he'll get the full use of the usb stick back afterwards by building a vfat filesystem on it |
| 02:27.09 | nsadmin | this is true :) |
| 02:27.16 | eidolon | [97815.948383] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 02:27.20 | eidolon | chews on /dev/sdb |
| 02:28.32 | eidolon | hmm, after dding i should be able to mount it, yes? |
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| 02:28.47 | eidolon | (this is boot.img.gz) |
| 02:28.53 | eidolon | ooh |
| 02:28.54 | eidolon | oops |
| 02:28.57 | eidolon | ignore me |
| 02:29.12 | stew | !pal eidolon |
| 02:29.12 | dpkg | points at eidolon and laughs |
| 02:29.15 | stew | :P |
| 02:29.25 | eidolon | i deserved that :) |
| 02:29.37 | jpinx | :-/ |
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| 02:30.34 | eidolon | hey look at that. i have a mounted filesystem. |
| 02:30.38 | eidolon | copies the iso |
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| 02:31.09 | eidolon | now to try and boot it. |
| 02:31.12 | parolang | Okay, I think I know what needs to be done, I just don't know how to do it. How do I set it up so that it selects *no* session manager, so that it will login (from XDM) into my preferred window manager (stumpwm)? |
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| 02:32.19 | eidolon | gdm has a 'go ahead and log in' setting in it |
| 02:32.19 | eidolon | you can specify what user to automatically start into. |
| 02:33.00 | parolang | eidolon: Are you talking to me? |
| 02:33.06 | eidolon | yes. |
| 02:33.32 | jpinx | it's been a while since I rebooted parolang but I seem to remember options for where your going from the login window |
| 02:33.37 | parolang | eidolon: I was hoping I wouldn't have to install gdm. |
| 02:33.53 | parolang | jpinx: It doesn't look like xdm has any options. |
| 02:34.18 | eidolon | HOLY CRAP IT WORKED |
| 02:34.22 | jpinx | parolang: you might have to tweak it's config's then |
| 02:34.22 | eidolon | it booted off the usb stick! |
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| 02:34.28 | eidolon | has an installer menu |
| 02:34.33 | stew | parolang: you don't have a ~/.xsession file? |
| 02:34.40 | parolang | stew: no |
| 02:34.42 | jpinx | hands eidolon a lolly |
| 02:34.51 | eidolon | tasty! |
| 02:34.57 | eidolon | man that was a frsutrating process. |
| 02:35.17 | parolang | Right now x-seesion-manager is set to lxde, and the only other option is openbox-session. |
| 02:35.17 | stew | parolang: you could: echo stumpwm > ~/.xsession |
| 02:36.17 | parolang | stew: That will override the system setting? |
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| 02:36.36 | stew | parolang: yes |
| 02:36.45 | parolang | stew: Okay, will try. Thanks. |
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| 02:37.37 | nsadmin | eidolon: but now you can boot machines in a handful of situations you couldn't before |
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| 02:38.27 | superlinux | hi. anyone knows where i can have a free VNC account ? |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | superlinux: this is #debian |
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| 02:38.44 | jpinx | eidolon: and the installer has a rescue facility - so keep it |
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| 02:39.08 | superlinux | like i can do X over VNC on someones mechine? |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | superlinux: this is not the right channel to ask in |
| 02:39.23 | pickcoder | superlinux: sure.. set up your own box and run it |
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| 02:39.54 | nsadmin | basically if you can install using that installer and keep the kernel it installs, it will continue to be a good rescue disk |
| 02:40.07 | eidolon | jpinx: i regularly keep a sysrescuecd around for just such emergencies. |
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| 02:40.17 | eidolon | but this is the first machine i've had to work with taht didn't have even a cd drive |
| 02:40.22 | nsadmin | cd? |
| 02:40.33 | nsadmin | I thought you couldn't boot from cd |
| 02:40.33 | superlinux | i dont have linux on this box, cos it's not mine. and I cant go through live CD , it's very slow. |
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| 02:40.40 | parolang | stew: Now it won't log into X :( |
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| 02:41.10 | nsadmin | superlinux but does that change whether this is a good place to ask about that stuff? |
| 02:41.28 | jpinx | check the entry in ~/.xsession parolang |
| 02:41.42 | parolang | jpinx: It just says stumpwm |
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| 02:41.51 | superlinux | i want it to help those arabs who don't know english at all and they are Linux fans. |
| 02:41.59 | jpinx | is it installed? |
| 02:42.01 | parolang | I think it just might be lxde weirdness. |
| 02:42.04 | parolang | jpinx: yeah |
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| 02:42.13 | jpinx | purge lxde? |
| 02:42.47 | parolang | jpinx: I think thats what I need to do. |
| 02:43.05 | jpinx | you can alwasy re-inlstall it ;) |
| 02:43.13 | parolang | jpinx: true |
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| 02:43.18 | parolang | Hopefully I won't miss it :) |
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| 02:43.35 | jonathon_ | quick command line mp3 player! |
| 02:43.48 | jpinx | mplayer |
| 02:43.55 | nsadmin | apt-cache search mp3 |
| 02:43.58 | jpinx | was that quick enough? |
| 02:44.04 | parolang | Whats a small, efficient term emulator? |
| 02:44.21 | nsadmin | has to be small... |
| 02:44.22 | jpinx | lxterminal is good parolang |
| 02:44.43 | nsadmin | has to be an emulator... |
| 02:44.44 | jpinx | but not if you purge lxde ;) |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | jpinx: seriously ? mplayer was the best you had? |
| 02:45.29 | parolang | jpinx: Yeah, thats the thing :) |
| 02:45.30 | nsadmin | just the quickest |
| 02:45.48 | jpinx | pass |
| 02:45.55 | parolang | jpinx: I need a replacement. I thought xterm is kind of big for what it does. Is rxvt smaller? |
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| 02:46.43 | jpinx | abrotman: I use vlc from the commandline sometimes too |
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| 02:49.04 | parolang | I found roxterm. Hopefully it works. Thannks all :) |
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| 02:53.39 | superlinux | thanks guys. |
| 02:54.00 | superlinux | where do you think i should ask? |
| 02:54.23 | jpinx | 's forgotten the question |
| 02:55.01 | superlinux | jpinx about getting a free Xwindows online access? |
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| 02:55.20 | adb | ##linux ? |
| 02:55.32 | superlinux | lemme check |
| 02:55.38 | CrazyTux | Hey guys -- say I want to pull down 5.1 mysql-server for lenny, do I need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list for "experimental" or? |
| 02:55.55 | superlinux | like i want GNOME and KDE available too |
| 02:56.10 | jpinx | judd: versions mysql-server |
| 02:56.10 | judd | jpinx: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch10 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 sid: 5.0.81-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 experimental: 5.1.34-1 |
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| 02:56.33 | adb | superlinux: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GraphOn+Technology+Provides+X-Windows+Access+On+Linux-a058926455 |
| 02:56.47 | CrazyTux | jpinx: so how would I go about getting: 5.1.34-1 |
| 02:56.53 | jpinx | !tell CrazyTux about ssb |
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| 02:58.47 | CrazyTux | jpinx: sid = ? |
| 02:58.57 | jpinx | experimental |
| 02:59.05 | adb | nope |
| 02:59.12 | adb | unstable==sid |
| 02:59.28 | jpinx | !tell superlinux about rdesktop |
| 02:59.35 | CrazyTux | ok so when it says add an "sid" line to sources.list, does it need to be a specific deb-src uri? |
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| 02:59.52 | jpinx | adb: folowing the nomenclature of the bot |
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| 03:00.02 | jpinx | !sid |
| 03:00.02 | dpkg | sid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 03:01.18 | superlinux | jpinx i think you misunderstood me. |
| 03:01.23 | jpinx | CrazyTux: you realise you are proposing to install an experimental package from and unstable release? |
| 03:01.36 | jpinx | superlinux: ok |
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| 03:02.14 | superlinux | jpinx well you know those who give free shell accounts online? |
| 03:02.31 | jpinx | try ##linux superlinux |
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| 03:02.37 | superlinux | i did |
| 03:02.40 | jpinx | no-one here to help you |
| 03:02.50 | superlinux | ok brother. thanks |
| 03:05.39 | jpinx | superlinux: google gave me loads |
| 03:05.51 | CrazyTux | jpinx: yes. |
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| 03:09.25 | feld | anyone know of any repos that has Firefox 3.5b4 / Shiretoko? |
| 03:10.44 | hoohaah | hello is there a way to get navigation binds in aptitude to be emacs-like, rather than vi-like? |
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| 03:14.11 | simonrvn | ask-and-run, i always love that.... |
| 03:15.03 | adb | it's king of spam ? |
| 03:15.23 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:15.38 | simonrvn | no, just annoying |
| 03:17.05 | SexyKen | 30 0 * * * - would that be the proper timing to run a cron every day at 12:30AM |
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| 03:20.59 | ic56 | SexyKen: yes |
| 03:21.46 | agaran | bye |
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| 04:00.25 | dizy | hi... is there a way to create a user that will be able to ssh in but locked in to a particular dir and not see anything else |
| 04:01.02 | ic56 | dizy: yes but it's tricky. You need to setup a chroot |
| 04:01.18 | rafuch0 | how do i hide my ad-hoc network? |
| 04:01.41 | ic56 | rafuch0: what do you mean? |
| 04:01.59 | rafuch0 | you know whit wicd you can click refresh and you see |
| 04:02.08 | rafuch0 | the wifi networks around |
| 04:02.19 | rafuch0 | i have ad-hoc network |
| 04:02.37 | epsilon | you mean ESSID? |
| 04:02.41 | ic56 | rafuch0: sorry, cannot help you with wifi. Maybe someone else. |
| 04:02.48 | rafuch0 | yes |
| 04:03.05 | rafuch0 | i dont want the essid to be show |
| 04:03.20 | mns | rafuch0: you have to do that on the wireless router |
| 04:03.21 | epsilon | hm, on ad-hoc... never tried |
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| 04:08.26 | stew | dizy: what do you want the user to be able to do? should they be able to run "ls" in their directory? |
| 04:09.11 | stew | dizy: becuase then they need to be able to see /bin/ls and the shared librarries returned when you run "ldd /bin/ls" |
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| 04:09.29 | stew | dizy: which is why this is non-trivial |
| 04:09.30 | dizy | im basically trying to setup a git repository and give someone access to that without letting them see everything on my box |
| 04:10.46 | hoohaah | dizy: then they need to see git at least |
| 04:11.09 | stew | dizy: then don't give them ssh access, run a git-daemon |
| 04:11.24 | hoohaah | and maybe tig for better view of their repo |
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| 04:12.17 | liable | or look at scponly |
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| 04:13.46 | dizy | running git-daemon will just make it public with no authentication.. correct ? |
| 04:13.51 | dizy | im looking for something private |
| 04:16.00 | hoohaah | any of you use rkhunter? of the warnings generated, I've --propupd'd all of the files, save for those checked by 'local host' test. Is there anyway I can feed those results to propupd too? |
| 04:16.16 | hoohaah | this is a fresh install, and additional dev nodes created by a custom kernel |
| 04:16.27 | hoohaah | or udev, rather |
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| 05:06.49 | hanibana | hi all |
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| 05:07.35 | hanibana | is there any log in Linux related to user creation, deletion and such stuff...? |
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| 05:12.29 | ic56 | hanibana: check /var/log/auth* |
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| 05:14.51 | hermanChess | hello, any idea as of why synaptic keeps asking for proxy authentication when I have it set to direct connection, and have it set to direct connection on the general Proxy Settings? |
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| 05:30.05 | jokles | weirds |
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| 05:31.02 | ksnp | hi, can anyone tell me how to give root permission to a new user ? |
| 05:31.29 | ksnp | i want to use this to be able to ftp, as i can't ftp as root |
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| 05:32.14 | EmleyMoor | ksnp: Why is root pormission needed? |
| 05:32.20 | EmleyMoor | permission |
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| 05:33.49 | jony123 | has anyone here ever used aa-lib? |
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| 05:34.44 | EmleyMoor | jony123: As in written a program to use it, or used a program that uses it? |
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| 05:42.28 | jony123 | EmleyMoor used a program that uses it? |
| 05:42.57 | EmleyMoor | In that case, I have - do you have a question about it? |
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| 05:43.32 | jony123 | like what is it capible of like can i give a program a jpeg image and have it turned into assci art? |
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| 05:44.37 | EmleyMoor | jony123: It produces recognisable shapes but whether they are practical to use as ASCII art without further editing I don't know. |
| 05:44.46 | bmoll8 | does anyone here know whcih file needs to be edited in order to specify desktop languages per user? For example, I have one russian user on my desktop, and one english speaker |
| 05:45.11 | \amethyst | bmoll8: generally you set LANG in their .profile or .bash_profile |
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| 05:46.11 | bmoll8 | \amethyst: thank you; will try that |
| 05:46.14 | ic56 | bmoll8: you said "desktop" |
| 05:46.32 | ic56 | bmoll8: ~/.profile is not read when logging in via X on a desktop. |
| 05:46.44 | \amethyst | it is by gnome-session |
| 05:46.58 | jony123 | also is their anyway to srcoll up in a command line only box? |
| 05:46.59 | \amethyst | err, sorry |
| 05:47.03 | ic56 | bmoll8: are you certain you are talking about different people logging in at the computer's keyboard, rather than remotely? |
| 05:47.12 | bmoll8 | no, at the keyboard |
| 05:47.21 | ic56 | jony123: shift-PgUp and shift-PgDn |
| 05:47.43 | jony123 | ic56 nope doesnt work |
| 05:47.51 | \amethyst | it is sourced by gdm's session scripts |
| 05:47.54 | \amethyst | not by xdm though |
| 05:48.17 | bmoll8 | what does xdm source then? |
| 05:48.33 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 05:48.33 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 05:48.33 | bmoll8 | i'm curious now; it makes sense to source .profile |
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| 05:49.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | .xsession surely. |
| 05:49.13 | \amethyst | bmoll8: it uses Xsession, which sources .xsession |
| 05:49.23 | bmoll8 | better to just set Lang there |
| 05:49.40 | ic56 | bmoll8: the traditional way to set environment variables for X users is .xsession |
| 05:50.11 | jony123 | ok ic56 it doesn't do anything at all nothing changes when i press shift-pgup or shift-pgdwn which i am trying to use to scroll up and down |
| 05:50.13 | ic56 | bmoll8: i.e. the clean way is to have a file ~/etc/env that is sourced from both ~/.profile and ~/.xsession . |
| 05:50.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats the clean way? |
| 05:50.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | i shudder to think what the ugly hack looks like |
| 05:51.28 | ic56 | Kamping_Kaiser: why do you think this unclean? |
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| 05:52.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | ic56, home directory pollution, and files sourcing /being sourced all over the place. |
| 05:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | the ugly hack goes the same way, but on redhat |
| 05:52.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. |
| 05:52.52 | ic56 | Kamping_Kaiser: you and I have different views on tidyness. Let's agree to disagree. |
| 05:53.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | ic56, ok. lets :) |
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| 05:53.25 | bmoll8 | i put LANG='the environment' in the .xsession file; gdm responded with an error message, and did not log into the specified user account at all |
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| 05:53.38 | marti1125 | hola,hello |
| 05:53.55 | ic56 | bmoll8: did you literally enter the text "the environment" ?! |
| 05:54.09 | bmoll8 | no no |
| 05:54.18 | \amethyst | bmoll8: is that all that's in your .xsession ? |
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| 05:54.35 | bmoll8 | there is no .xsession |
| 05:54.49 | \amethyst | um |
| 05:55.00 | \amethyst | you just said "i put LANG='the environment' in the .xsession file" |
| 05:55.07 | bmoll8 | yes, there was none before |
| 05:55.13 | bmoll8 | excuse me...I had to create the file |
| 05:55.13 | nkuttler | bmoll8: you'd probably have to use export, if that even works... |
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| 05:56.16 | ic56 | nukuttler: .xsession is read by the system shell. So export works (and is required if you want to create environment variables). |
| 05:56.49 | \amethyst | bmoll8: when the .xsession script terminates, the session is over |
| 05:57.01 | \amethyst | bmoll8: so you'll need to add as the last line something like exec gnome-session |
| 05:57.08 | \amethyst | or a window manager or something |
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| 05:57.58 | ic56 | bmoll8: amethyst's advice is correct. |
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| 05:58.17 | bmoll8 | but gnome is already executing without a .xsession file |
| 05:58.31 | \amethyst | you won't need export if LANG is already in the environment, though it doesn't hurt |
| 05:58.39 | bmoll8 | i don't see why we are adding one, and including an 'exec gnome-session' to boot |
| 05:58.47 | ic56 | bmoll8: the presence of ~/.xsession changes the code path chosen when you log in via X. |
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| 05:59.04 | \amethyst | bmoll8: if you're logging in via gdm, just put it in .profile |
| 05:59.12 | nkuttler | i think gdm etc ignore xsession if you chose a gnome session, don't they? |
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| 06:01.05 | bmoll8 | \amethyst: i agree |
| 06:01.13 | bmoll8 | \amethyst: let me try it out now |
| 06:01.52 | bmoll8 | i assume I need to export the variable LANG within .profile, eys? |
| 06:01.55 | bmoll8 | *yes |
| 06:02.02 | \amethyst | it doesn't hurt |
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| 06:02.39 | \amethyst | on Debian you probably don't need to, since it's already in the environment thanks to pam_env |
| 06:03.33 | bmoll8 | i just started using debian a couple of days ago; came over from fbsd |
| 06:03.55 | bmoll8 | it is an amazing os; I have found only one bug in debian testing, and stable (while I used it) was excellent |
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| 06:04.17 | DrThodt_ | does adding Protocol 2 to sshd_config disable proto1? right? |
| 06:04.19 | ic56 | amethyst: so, if gdm or its descendants source .profile , what do they do with any commands it contains that make sense for command line logins? Eg echo and stty statements? |
| 06:04.24 | bmoll8 | to be frank, I should have been running a desktop on it ages ago; much more suited for desktop environments than fbsd |
| 06:05.16 | \amethyst | ic56: it executes them; but there were already situations in which .profile could get executed without a tty |
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| 06:06.37 | \amethyst | ic56: err, sourced |
| 06:06.38 | ic56 | amethyst: so the output of echo(1) is lost? |
| 06:07.34 | \amethyst | ic56: IIRC stdout and stderr are redirected to ~/.xsession-errors |
| 06:07.45 | \amethyst | ic56: stty will fail since stdout is not a tty |
| 06:07.46 | bmoll8 | \amethyst: it worked; thank you |
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| 06:08.28 | ic56 | amethyst: you meant stdin. Thanks. |
| 06:09.09 | \amethyst | ic56: oh, right, stty uses stdin not stdout |
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| 06:38.16 | superlinux2 | hello |
| 06:38.30 | superlinux2 | anyone lives in australia? |
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| 06:39.06 | superlinux2 | anyone in this channel? |
| 06:39.32 | ic56 | sorry, not in Australia. |
| 06:39.42 | liable | why? |
| 06:40.16 | superlinux2 | i am looking for a company that gives the biggest uplink in a cheapest yearly plan |
| 06:40.39 | liable | best to get a vps or something in the states |
| 06:40.54 | liable | i never found a reasonable host in oz |
| 06:41.04 | superlinux2 | no no |
| 06:41.23 | superlinux2 | i want to stream Xwindows |
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| 06:41.27 | superlinux2 | over VNC |
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| 06:41.38 | superlinux2 | i wanna do my own |
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| 06:41.57 | \amethyst | you can do that with a VPS |
| 06:42.02 | superlinux2 | ok |
| 06:42.14 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | how can i add a desktop shortcut to the application drop down ? |
| 06:42.23 | \amethyst | it's a virtual dedicated machine |
| 06:42.35 | \amethyst | err, a dedicated virtual machine |
| 06:42.39 | liable | if you mean from your home box, then you want to go with a adsl2 providor if they have dslams in your local exchange |
| 06:42.51 | superlinux2 | just to be more sure, i want to run my own hatrdware |
| 06:43.04 | \amethyst | oh, then you want colo |
| 06:43.05 | superlinux2 | ok |
| 06:43.22 | superlinux2 | who is colo? |
| 06:43.25 | liable | not telstra |
| 06:43.26 | \amethyst | colocation |
| 06:43.34 | superlinux2 | ah ok |
| 06:43.39 | liable | co-located (your box in their datacentre) |
| 06:43.42 | \amethyst | they let you put your computer in their data center |
| 06:43.46 | superlinux2 | nooo |
| 06:43.46 | \amethyst | it's usually more expensive |
| 06:43.50 | superlinux2 | i just from home |
| 06:44.09 | liable | go check out whirlpool.net |
| 06:44.14 | superlinux2 | ok |
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| 06:44.43 | liable | go check out whirlpool.net.au (forgot the .au) |
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| 06:48.06 | jony123 | when trying to play a mp3 file (in command line) mplayer gives me this error [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory after this it shows it playing but no sound comes out. can someone help me? |
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| 06:48.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | jony123, use alsa instead of oss |
| 06:48.50 | jony123 | how? |
| 06:48.55 | liable | /dev/dsp is created by loading snd-oss-pcm |
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| 06:49.29 | superlinux | which link should theoratically give the maximum home uplink speed? |
| 06:49.33 | liable | if its not making noise, then you have to see if something is hogging the soundcard |
| 06:50.28 | jony123 | nothing else should be im trying on bard basics command line debian |
| 06:51.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | superlinux, your question doesnt make sense. |
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| 06:52.11 | liable | superlinux: an adsl2 dslam (not telstra as the cap upload) internode or one of the others that have their own dslams in the exchanges) |
| 06:52.39 | liable | annex M will give you up to 2MB upload |
| 06:52.54 | liable | actually, 2Mb/s |
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| 06:53.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | there is a #debian-au (when its populated) |
| 06:53.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | but fwiw, i think the 'look at whingepool' advice was as good as it gets |
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| 06:53.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | (i just read up) |
| 06:53.43 | liable | superlinux: really, go check out whirlpool.net.au, its got lots of that sort of information for aussie isp's |
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| 06:54.13 | superlinux | liable ok. i live in brisbane |
| 06:54.36 | liable | not sure why that matters, but ok.. |
| 06:54.40 | superlinux | and i am with TPG |
| 06:55.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | and whirlpool.net.au is not blocked by your ISP! |
| 06:55.31 | liable | yet |
| 06:55.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 06:56.11 | liable | no doubt conroy is working on it |
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| 06:56.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | havent heard boo from him for a while. never mind. he'll be just as stupid and easy to maul next time around |
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| 07:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kamping_Kaiser, boo |
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| 07:02.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | CutMeOwnThroat, :O |
| 07:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | bø |
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| 07:27.37 | liable | vmlinz: prolly best asked in a kernel channel |
| 07:27.41 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:27.41 | dpkg | <gribouille> I've already read the manuals |
| 07:28.07 | liable | not funny.. |
| 07:28.20 | \amethyst | vmlinz: on a PC I've never seen it be anything but 0... but I'm not sure that request_irq will work, since the kernel already has a handler for it |
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| 07:29.19 | \amethyst | vmlinz: you might have more luck getting a definite answer #linux-kernel and/or ##hardware |
| 07:29.31 | \amethyst | vmlinz: s/answer/answer in/ |
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| 07:46.49 | jony123 | can my command line only macine scroll up and that |
| 07:46.49 | jony123 | ? |
| 07:47.58 | liable | yep, shift+pgup |
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| 08:32.29 | sshd___ | hi all I need a help for install openssh-server, I have lenny 2.6.26, enter comand aptitude install openssh-server, and stoping on "Setting up openssh-server" I wait 30 min... |
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| 08:32.42 | ksnp | hi, can anyone tell me how to give root permission to a new user ? |
| 08:32.43 | ksnp | i want to use this to be able to ftp, as i can't ftp as root |
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| 08:33.34 | ksnp | also want to disable the web server and mail server on it.. |
| 08:33.38 | liable | sshd___: thats odd. kill it and try again, in lenny that really shuldnt happen.. |
| 08:35.18 | ic56 | ksnp: please describe in greate detail what you mean by "i can't ftp as root". |
| 08:35.29 | JNSamuel | :s |
| 08:35.31 | sshd___ | <liable> |
| 08:35.31 | sshd___ | I tried it already.. |
| 08:35.39 | OpenTokix | ksnp: sudo |
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| 08:36.16 | nsadmin | ksnp: you mean authenticated ftp? think very carefully before you use this... passwords can be easily sniffed |
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| 08:37.10 | OpenTokix | badabom badabing - done |
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| 08:46.30 | jony123 | im in command line only and when i press shift-pgdn or shift-pgup nothing changes or happens how can i fix this? |
| 08:47.10 | liable | do you actually have buffer to scroll? |
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| 08:47.31 | liable | if you run 'dmesg' then try and scroll, does it work? |
| 08:48.27 | jony123 | hmm thats funny im sure it wasnt working last time |
| 08:48.31 | jony123 | dw its works |
| 08:49.14 | \amethyst | jony123: if you switch VTs the scrollback buffer is forgotten |
| 08:49.30 | \amethyst | jony123: perhaps that's what happened? |
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| 08:50.09 | jony123 | whats VTs ? |
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| 08:50.44 | themill | !vt |
| 08:50.44 | dpkg | it has been said that vt is a Virtual Terminal, like the console; or Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica) |
| 08:50.54 | \amethyst | virtual terminals... when you press alt-left/right or alt-f1..f12 that switches to another VT |
| 08:51.04 | edoreld | Is there any command I can execute on a machine to tell it to boot using PXE (But not set it to default) ? |
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| 08:51.11 | \amethyst | or when X starts |
| 08:51.28 | liable | jony123: debian gives you six virtual terminals, accessed by apt+F<1-6> |
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| 08:51.43 | liable | err, s/apt/alt/ |
| 08:51.46 | jony123 | hmm i see |
| 08:51.55 | liable | seven if x isnt running |
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| 08:52.14 | jony123 | yeh x ant running and yes im constantly changing them |
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| 08:54.27 | Imran-UK | edoreld, afaik that a bios setting only |
| 08:54.59 | Imran-UK | has anyone installed grub over lilo, and igf so are there any gotchas or caveats that would useful to know |
| 08:55.08 | edoreld | Imran-UK: meh, I guess I'll have to keep walking 5 meters every time I want to boot it up with PXE! |
| 08:55.26 | jayaraj_f1 | hi friends , i was tring to install qt-sdk-linux-x86.. but the setup wasgiving the error version `GLIBC_2.4' not found .. can anybody suggest me a solution please.. |
| 08:55.36 | jayaraj_f1 | was trying* |
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| 08:56.10 | themill | jayaraj_f1: etch? |
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| 08:56.19 | jayaraj_f1 | yea |
| 08:56.26 | Robbie_ | edoreld: you could just dd the boot sector :) and the reboot, since it can not find disk it will boot from pxe |
| 08:56.35 | jony123 | in only command line how do i access a usb drives contents |
| 08:56.41 | jony123 | like how do i mount it |
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| 08:56.50 | Imran-UK | oh he left, i was gonna suggest a kvm with long cables |
| 08:57.00 | Robbie_ | :) |
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| 08:57.06 | \amethyst | jayaraj_f1: perhaps you would have better luck installing the debian packages |
| 08:57.07 | Imran-UK | ;) |
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| 08:57.53 | Robbie_ | jony123: mount /dev/sdbx /mnt/usb (/mnt/usb most exist) |
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| 08:58.00 | \amethyst | jayaraj_f1: aptitude install libqt4-dev qt4-designer qt4-dev-tools |
| 08:58.12 | Robbie_ | with x i mean a number |
| 08:58.37 | Robbie_ | depends, normally you have sda of hda for your disks, depends how many disks you have |
| 08:58.43 | jayaraj_f1 | \amethyst, thank you lemme see |
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| 09:00.39 | jony123 | Robbie_ its asking for a file system type |
| 09:01.03 | \amethyst | jony123: probably -t vfat |
| 09:01.14 | Robbie_ | mount -t vfat |
| 09:01.17 | Robbie_ | :P |
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| 09:01.42 | themill | jayaraj_f1: etch has libc6 2.3 so you're never going to get that download to work. If you really want to try it out then you'll need to be running lenny. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 09:01.49 | Robbie_ | you could also do man mount jony123 |
| 09:01.54 | Robbie_ | q to quit it |
| 09:02.07 | jony123 | guess i better start reading |
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| 09:03.41 | Robbie_ | jony123: you also use google :) http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/installation/24063-how-mount-usb-drive.html |
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| 09:04.03 | jayaraj_f1 | ohh.. thankyou... themill :) |
| 09:04.21 | jony123 | ahh i dont have gui and i dont like using links but one more question how can i find out what the file system is cus i kno its not fat |
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| 09:07.01 | \amethyst | jony123: what happens with -t auto ? |
| 09:07.16 | \amethyst | (though mount without a -t option should have tried that) |
| 09:07.32 | jony123 | also it doesnt have a mount point |
| 09:07.42 | jony123 | is that just a folder with usb as the name? |
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| 09:07.59 | \amethyst | the mount point can be any directory you want |
| 09:08.03 | jayaraj_f1 | thankyou \amethyst .. its working now.. |
| 09:08.04 | hoohaah | does fstab allow line breaks? |
| 09:08.07 | jony123 | ok |
| 09:08.07 | jayaraj_f1 | :) |
| 09:08.12 | hoohaah | ie /dev/sdbc \ |
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| 09:08.24 | hoohaah | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.25 | hoohaah | etc |
| 09:09.02 | edoreld | how can I get the IP of an interface as a simple output (e.g: 192.168.0.1 AND NOT address 192.168.0.1 netmask x.x.x.x etc) |
| 09:09.04 | Imran-UK | jony123, re. fs type - sometimes dmesg will give a clue. if not fat, then its prolly ntfs? in which case you need a ntfs driver. i think ntfs-3g is the package you want for that |
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| 09:09.44 | hoohaah | awk '{print $1}' |
| 09:09.50 | hoohaah | edoreld: ^ |
| 09:09.55 | edoreld | just that command? |
| 09:09.59 | jony123 | umm im pretty sure its ext2 |
| 09:10.05 | jony123 | i think anyway |
| 09:10.10 | hoohaah | edoreld: wait, what's the exact output |
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| 09:10.14 | Cim | Hi |
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| 09:10.19 | hoohaah | add... ? |
| 09:10.24 | edoreld | lo0: |
| 09:10.24 | edoreld | inet6: |
| 09:10.24 | edoreld | inet |
| 09:10.25 | edoreld | inet6: |
| 09:10.25 | edoreld | much etc |
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| 09:10.33 | Cim | i have problem with moc |
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| 09:10.44 | Imran-UK | edoreld, ip -f inet addr is the simplest i know |
| 09:10.46 | edoreld | a list of the name of interfaces |
| 09:10.47 | hoohaah | there's probably an easier way to do with ifconfig options, but at commandline, you can pipe it to al |
| 09:10.50 | hoohaah | *awk |
| 09:10.53 | \amethyst | jony123: then try mounting with -t ext2 or -t ext3 |
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| 09:11.29 | comradekingu | Me again, got both the touchscreen and the native instruments - audio kontrol 1 working :) |
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| 09:11.40 | edoreld | hmm |
| 09:11.50 | edoreld | I wish I knew how to use awk :P |
| 09:12.13 | Cim | when I open a folder in moc from pendrive my computer restarts when reading tags but when i copy music on HDD everything is ok? why? |
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| 09:13.09 | jony123 | hmm not vfat not ext2 or ext3 |
| 09:13.16 | ootput | edoreld: socket.gethostbyname(socket.gethostname()) |
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| 09:13.25 | \amethyst | jony123: how did you create the filesystem? |
| 09:13.39 | ootput | well, only if /etc/hosts defines it |
| 09:13.44 | EmleyMoor | jony123: Could be ntfs (but that only works read only unless you use ntfs-3g) |
| 09:14.34 | edoreld | output: I try to execute that inside a bash script but says syntax error |
| 09:14.44 | Danielss89 | I am trying to download a folder with the ftp command. But it says that the folder does not exist even though it lists it with "dir" |
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| 09:15.46 | Cim | so, do anyone have similar issue? |
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| 09:16.17 | hoohaah | Danielss89: how are you downloading it? |
| 09:16.42 | hoohaah | edoreld: ootput is probably right |
| 09:16.44 | \amethyst | Cim: perhaps a problem with the drive or with the USB controller? |
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| 09:17.01 | hoohaah | edoreld: it's much faster using siocgifaddr ioctl than parsing ifconfig output |
| 09:17.03 | morlenxus | I have Debian Lenny running, and a few network devices configures in /etc/network/interfaces. When i boot the server the devices aren't up, i need to manually to a `ifup eth2` ... that works, now why aren't they up automatically? |
| 09:17.09 | Danielss89 | hoohaah with "get folder |
| 09:17.12 | \amethyst | Cim: I would ask if there's anything in the logs, but it probably doesn't have time to write anything |
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| 09:17.20 | Cim | \amethyst, but the pendrive works correctly in system and in Ubuntu |
| 09:17.32 | edoreld | what the hell is siocgifaddr ioctl ? |
| 09:17.33 | \amethyst | Cim: in Ubuntu on the same machine? |
| 09:17.40 | edoreld | :) |
| 09:17.46 | Cim | \amethyst, no, other machine |
| 09:18.01 | edoreld | it sounds devilish |
| 09:18.18 | Cim | \amethyst, but in debian everything looks normal, only moc have a problem |
| 09:18.49 | \amethyst | Cim: you can play all the files using another media player on this machine? |
| 09:19.04 | ootput | Danielss89: get -R directory/ |
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| 09:19.24 | |fluxdude| | does anyone here install some kind of vmware esx guest tools in linux? If so, what does it get you (soft shutdown) and how do you automated this or manage it nicely? |
| 09:19.34 | Cim | \amethyst, mplayer looks fine when play single files |
| 09:19.46 | Danielss89 | ootput: local: image remote: -R |
| 09:19.46 | Danielss89 | 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV. |
| 09:19.46 | Danielss89 | 550 Failed to open file. |
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| 09:20.34 | \amethyst | you'll need to use another ftp client with support for recursive downloads |
| 09:20.59 | Danielss89 | \amethyst ok.. any recommendations? |
| 09:21.05 | ootput | Danielss89: ah yes, i was hinting at an ncftp operation |
| 09:21.17 | \amethyst | I like lftp and its 'mirror' command |
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| 09:21.25 | ootput | lftp is better, though |
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| 09:22.38 | Danielss89 | ill have a look |
| 09:22.44 | Cim | \amethyst, so this is not a moc problem? |
| 09:22.49 | morlenxus | I have Debian Lenny running, and a few network devices configures in /etc/network/interfaces. When i boot the server the devices aren't up, i need to manually to a `ifup eth2` ... that works, now why aren't they up automatically? |
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| 09:23.18 | edoreld | morlenxus: do you have the line auto <interface name> in the interfaces file? |
| 09:23.20 | hoohaah | morlenxus: that'd depend on the contents of interfaces, no? |
| 09:23.30 | \amethyst | Cim: if it's causing the computer to restart, it's either a kernel bug or a hardware problem |
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| 09:24.25 | c4nx | Hi all |
| 09:24.43 | Cim | \amethyst, ok thx, i will try some combinations |
| 09:24.56 | Danielss89 | ootput so with lftp should i use -c for "continue, reget" ? |
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| 09:25.23 | c4nx | I want sample xorg.conf help me please. |
| 09:25.35 | \amethyst | Danielss89: use mirror instead of get to fetch a directory |
| 09:25.37 | jony123 | hmm one computer with live cd said it has ext3 file system i try mounting that as filesystem and it still doesnt work |
| 09:25.47 | Danielss89 | \amethyst ok.. ill try |
| 09:26.38 | Danielss89 | ok seems like its downloading now.. thx \amethyst and ootput |
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| 09:27.11 | \amethyst | jony123: do you have anything that can mount this filesystem? are you sure there's a filesystem on it? |
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| 09:28.18 | jony123 | yes theirs a backup folder on it i accessed it from my laptop |
| 09:28.41 | jony123 | the laptop reported it as a ext3 file system |
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| 09:30.30 | \amethyst | jony123: you get something like 'bad superblock' when you try mount -t ext3 /dev/sdx9 /some/dir ? |
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| 09:30.59 | jony123 | Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sda. |
| 09:30.59 | jony123 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, missing codepage or other error |
| 09:31.16 | \amethyst | jony123: does it not have any partitions? |
| 09:31.21 | jony123 | it does |
| 09:31.30 | \amethyst | jony123: then you want to mount /dev/sda1 not /dev/sda |
| 09:31.36 | \amethyst | or whatever the partition number is |
| 09:32.08 | jony123 | ahem now don't take the piss out of me but i was doing /dev/sda |
| 09:32.19 | jony123 | it worked |
| 09:32.20 | jony123 | thx |
| 09:32.22 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 09:38.55 | hoohaah | how does one acquire piss from another? |
| 09:39.27 | liable | golden showers i suppose |
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| 09:39.52 | ishi | hello |
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| 09:40.13 | bor0 | is there a graphical console version of apt-get? might sound a bit weird but I mean like with menus and stuff that are in ran in console |
| 09:40.31 | octane- | bor0: aptitude |
| 09:40.38 | liable | bor0: aptitude has a ncurses inteface |
| 09:40.43 | bor0 | right, thanks |
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| 09:42.49 | ishi | I'm having problems with svn (debian testing here). I suppose that after some upgrade the svn stopped working.. I checked on another machine and the same version of svn works... |
| 09:43.04 | maxagaz | how to know exactly what does "smbldap-useradd -a" do in my system ? |
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| 09:43.15 | \amethyst | ishi: stopped working how? does it give an error message? |
| 09:43.31 | octane- | maxagaz: $EDITOR `which smbldap-useradd` |
| 09:43.38 | hoohaah | maxagaz: unless it's already documented , systrace |
| 09:43.40 | ishi | \amethyst: a moment... I'm thinking about the best way to describe it ;) |
| 09:43.52 | hoohaah | or, if it's a script of some sort, view it ;) |
| 09:44.20 | octane- | hoohaah: it is. and a pain. |
| 09:44.41 | ishi | \amethyst: the error message I get is: svn: OPTIONS of '(...)': could not connect to server ... |
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| 09:45.08 | ishi | the problem is, that I can connect to this server: it works when I enter the url in a webbrowser |
| 09:45.36 | ishi | I wiresharked a bit, and it seems that svn doesn't even try to connect on port 443 |
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| 09:45.46 | ishi | so I straced it ;) |
| 09:46.28 | khaije | anyone use conduit? how do i sync folders on two different computers across a network? |
| 09:46.33 | ishi | I *think* the problem is with: socket(PF_INET, 0x80001 /* SOCK_??? */, IPPROTO_TCP) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
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| 09:47.02 | ishi | what it should do is: socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP) = 3 |
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| 09:47.55 | \amethyst | ishi: is this svn from the debian package? |
| 09:47.56 | ishi | I don't know (and naither does strace) what 0x80001 is and where it came from :( |
| 09:47.56 | themill | khaije: if it's mirroring then I use rsync, if it's syncing then I use unison. They're a bit more low-level than conduit so might not really do what you want |
| 09:48.01 | ishi | \amethyst: yeah |
| 09:48.07 | dhblewis | When I in stall php5-mysql I get the following error:Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:48.07 | \amethyst | ishi: what version? |
| 09:48.08 | ishi | \amethyst: just reinstalled it to be sure |
| 09:48.20 | ishi | svn, version 1.5.6 (r36142) |
| 09:48.34 | themill | ishi, \amethyst: sounds like a known problem with svn in testing due to a gnutls upgrade |
| 09:48.38 | ishi | as I said, the same version on different machine works (not debian, though) ;) |
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| 09:48.55 | ishi | themill: oh... there you are... :) gnutls? |
| 09:49.06 | bigfoot- | Where should I post a request to backport LyX 1.6.x to lenny-backports? The Debian bug tracking system? |
| 09:49.11 | khaije | themill: ya, i've used both and like both, i was just curious about it but i don't get the interface yet |
| 09:49.33 | ishi | BTW, how is it 'known'... I tried to google it, but couldn't find anything about this problem... I wouldn't have bothered you otherwise :) |
| 09:49.34 | themill | !dbugs 531338 |
| 09:49.37 | dpkg | DONE:#531338:N[subversion] svn: OPTIONS of 'http://...': could not connect to server (http://...) (); Sun, 31 May 2009 17:27:01 UTC [] |
| 09:49.43 | themill | ishi: ^^ |
| 09:49.47 | ishi | themill: thx :) |
| 09:50.16 | ishi | hmm... what does 'DONE' mean? ;) |
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| 09:50.22 | ishi | is it resolved? ;) |
| 09:50.39 | ishi | upgrades once again ;) |
| 09:50.45 | \amethyst | ishi: it's fixed in unstable, and there is a workaround |
| 09:50.53 | themill | ishi: it's fixed in sid but will probably take a while to be fixed in testing. read through the bug log |
| 09:51.23 | ishi | googles for debian bug database ;) |
| 09:51.35 | themill | ishi http://bugs.debian.org/531338 |
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| 09:51.52 | ishi | oh... thx :) |
| 09:52.14 | themill | dhblewis: you'll need to pastebin the entire output not just the last couple of lines |
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| 09:53.56 | edoreld | How can I generate a md5 encrypted key from a string of text, "example" ? |
| 09:54.17 | ishi | echo -ne example |md5sum |
| 09:54.31 | simonrvn | it's called a hash, and you'd use md5sum, for instance. |
| 09:54.40 | ishi | oh... sorry.. don't know what md5 encyrpted key is... |
| 09:54.49 | dhblewis | themill -http://pastebin.com/d7f42beee |
| 09:55.00 | edoreld | a hash...ok |
| 09:55.16 | edoreld | so something like md5sum "example" ? |
| 09:55.24 | ishi | edoreld: I told you already ;) |
| 09:55.28 | simonrvn | a key implies you can go both ways |
| 09:55.39 | edoreld | ah ok thx ishi ^_^ |
| 09:56.08 | edoreld | simonrvn: my issue is encrypting it, I'm not the one to "decrypt" (is that the correct term) it? |
| 09:56.14 | edoreld | ^_^ |
| 09:56.34 | simonrvn | !wayttd edoreld |
| 09:56.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, edoreld? |
| 09:57.00 | edoreld | I want to create a user account with a password in a way so I don't have to interact with the command line |
| 09:57.04 | Krucibal | ^_^ |
| 09:57.12 | edoreld | The password nees to be "hashed" |
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| 09:57.15 | themill | chpasswd |
| 09:57.15 | edoreld | needs* |
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| 09:57.18 | simonrvn | um... |
| 09:57.21 | edoreld | in md5 or with crypt |
| 09:57.31 | simonrvn | what themill said... |
| 09:58.14 | edoreld | can i use that to change root's password? |
| 09:58.28 | themill | And the output of md5sum is not suitable for use in /etc/passwd anyway. They're differently encoded and you also need the salt |
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| 09:58.37 | edoreld | I'm not using it in passwd |
| 09:58.40 | edoreld | I'm using it with fai |
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| 09:58.54 | edoreld | wich says use md5 or crypt :) |
| 09:59.16 | edoreld | by the way I get a - in the end with md5sum should I add that as well ? |
| 09:59.39 | simonrvn | no, like themill said, don't use that for the password. |
| 09:59.41 | themill | unsalted hashes are useless |
| 09:59.46 | edoreld | meh |
| 09:59.49 | edoreld | ok I'll try chpasswd |
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| 10:00.44 | ishi | wow... it works... my svn works again... thx a lot |
| 10:00.55 | ishi | goes back to coding :) |
| 10:01.24 | themill | dhblewis: A couple of things here... don't use dotdeb packages as they always seem to cause problems. Just stick with debian stable. The other problem is that your last kernel install wasn't completed successfully. |
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| 10:01.46 | dhblewis | themill ok. is there a way to reinstall kernal? |
| 10:01.49 | edoreld | Hmm bad thing about chpasswd is that I need to have my password in the open.... |
| 10:01.55 | edoreld | Isn't there any way to use an encrypted password? |
| 10:02.28 | maxagaz | hoohaah, how to use systrace ? |
| 10:02.52 | simonrvn | passwd itself will edit /etc/shadow directly ... |
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| 10:03.40 | edoreld | simonrvn: I mean when using the command |
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| 10:04.05 | edoreld | simonrvn: can't I do something like root:a#"·!$â¢Ä± â â << (encrypted ) and have chpasswd translate it? |
| 10:04.06 | themill | edoreld: how about you explain what it is you're trying to do. It sounds like you're reinventing a wheel here |
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| 10:04.22 | edoreld | I just don't want to use chpasswd with my password as a literal for anyone to see |
| 10:04.59 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 10:05.14 | simonrvn | jhunimjnhujuhn |
| 10:05.22 | edoreld | ? |
| 10:05.28 | \amethyst | edoreld: what do you mean by 'in the open'? |
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| 10:05.52 | themill | edoreld: take a step back from your problem and explain what your goal is. You mentioned fai earlier. |
| 10:06.27 | edoreld | I mean if chpasswd gets info from a file, this file contains info like "root:password" so it can change the password of root to "password", right? |
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| 10:06.54 | \amethyst | edoreld: yes |
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| 10:07.12 | themill | As described by the man page quite clearly, yes |
| 10:07.28 | themill | but see the -e option |
| 10:07.42 | edoreld | ah |
| 10:08.16 | edoreld | Ok now my question is what command should I use it to encrypt it so that chpasswd -e understand it and translates it to "password" :) |
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| 10:08.59 | themill | mkpasswd |
| 10:09.09 | edoreld | thank you very much ^_^ |
| 10:09.18 | dhblewis | not sure if my question got 'lost' how do I reinstall kernel? I ony have access to terminal (its a vps) |
| 10:09.42 | themill | dhblewis: what sort of vps is it? Xen? What's the output of uname -r? |
| 10:10.20 | adam_ | i just downloaded the source for apach2, is the config file in there anywhere? (if not is there a way i could easily get hold of a vanilla deb+apache2 config (yes i *accidently* deleted mine...)? |
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| 10:10.29 | dhblewis | yes is zen. output is 2.6.18-92.1.22.el5xen |
| 10:10.30 | \amethyst | themill: hm, passwd from sid doesn't seem to have options any more |
| 10:10.46 | \amethyst | themill: chpasswd from sid's passwd package that is |
| 10:11.06 | themill | dhblewis: so you don't actually need the kernel installed at all anyway, which is good :) You should be able to purge the kernel packages then |
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| 10:11.35 | OpenTokix | adam_: /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/examples/apache2 |
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| 10:12.07 | adam-_- | bloody wifi, anyone see my question? |
| 10:12.18 | OpenTokix | adam_: /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/examples/apache2 |
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| 10:13.49 | dhblewis | themill thanks for your help. Before I do anything stupid as im a newbie is this the right this dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential kernel-image-2.6.18-92.1.22.el5xen |
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| 10:14.25 | modulename | Is there a way to pipe apt-get upgrade output to apt-listchanges and get a list of the changelogs? |
| 10:14.35 | adam-_- | OpenTokix: thanks |
| 10:14.56 | modulename | I know I can run them by hand and then say no but that's a little risky for the juniors |
| 10:15.11 | themill | dhblewis: that package won't exist, it will be something like "aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64" which should also cause some other linux-image packages to be removed |
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| 10:20.05 | themill | \amethyst: yeah, looking at the source code, chpasswd now uses PAM (so it works with ldap etc which is much better) but that means it can't work with encrypted passwds |
| 10:21.00 | \amethyst | themill: usermod has -p, but that takes the crypt(3)ed password on the command line, which isn't that great |
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| 10:21.45 | themill | That's fine though -- mkpasswd can generated that for you |
| 10:22.05 | \amethyst | themill: I mean passing it on the command line isn't that great |
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| 10:22.35 | \amethyst | themill: since then someone might see the password hash, giving them something to run crack on |
| 10:22.55 | themill | if it's hashed it doesn't really matter too much.... but if you have to use a hashed passed then chpasswd would be easier |
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| 10:23.33 | \amethyst | it matters enough that we have /etc/shadow instead of putting passwords in the second field of /etc/passwd |
| 10:24.02 | orion_x11 | I can use compiz-fusion efects, but I'd like other users to use them as well. How do I enable them to use it? |
| 10:24.31 | themill | \amethyst: true enough. But you're most likely to be running this stuff during the setup of a box when there are no local users :) |
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| 10:25.35 | \amethyst | themill: good point |
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| 10:31.58 | SetiAmon | does debian 5 have ext4 option |
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| 10:33.40 | EmleyMoor | ext4 is not in lenny as standard |
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| 10:35.20 | SetiAmon | Dang. |
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| 10:36.59 | creature_ | maybe squeeze will have it |
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| 10:44.05 | jaggz- | playing an mp3 over our network is apparently laggy.. how can I increase the file buffer readahead? |
| 10:44.26 | OpenTokix | jaggz-: depends on the player |
| 10:44.29 | jaggz- | (using different mp3 players).. |
| 10:44.53 | jaggz- | tries mpg123 |
| 10:44.55 | petemc | is streaming a mp3 doesnt work on your network, your network sucks and needs fixed |
| 10:45.01 | jaggz- | so far I used cplay and realplay |
| 10:45.23 | jaggz- | pet, yeah.. something seems wrong.. copying it locally worked fine. mpg123 plays it fine. |
| 10:45.45 | jaggz- | so it must not be a fundamentally terrible transfer rate |
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| 10:46.09 | jaggz- | but if these other players read in chunks and waste potential .. oop.. there it goes again. |
| 10:46.49 | jaggz- | iwlist scanning shows quality of 85 |
| 10:47.34 | jaggz- | hmm.. util to show network transfer rate? |
| 10:47.44 | petemc | nload, bwm |
| 10:47.45 | jaggz- | actually, this is ove rsamba |
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| 10:50.01 | jaggz- | scp reverts to a plain cp for local-local.. heh.. okay, "time cp" it is. |
| 10:50.20 | jaggz- | then xfer of bwm-ng |
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| 10:50.55 | jaggz- | 530k / sec over wireless? |
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| 10:52.32 | creature_ | someone forgot to mention in secure-delete manual that it doesn't work for journalizing file systems |
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| 10:55.46 | SetiAmon | Serious |
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| 11:00.32 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 11:00.43 | Krwawy_Drwal | Yo aprendiz001 |
| 11:00.51 | aprendiz001 | how can i see the encoding of a file? |
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| 11:02.18 | Krwawy_Drwal | aprendiz001: sorry, i dunno |
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| 11:04.05 | mrfree | hi all |
| 11:04.29 | mrfree | I'm using openvz on debian... how can I set LC_ALL in the VE? |
| 11:04.47 | mrfree | normally debian uses pam, but vzctl enter command bypass pam |
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| 11:05.59 | Krwawy_Drwal | mrfree: err, export LC_ALL= ? |
| 11:06.24 | mrfree | Krwawy_Drwal, I'd like to set it globally for the whole system |
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| 11:13.49 | aprendiz001 | anyone knows how to see the encoding of a file? |
| 11:13.59 | zinx | 'file' perhaps |
| 11:14.04 | DimmuR | aprendiz001: use file |
| 11:14.19 | aprendiz001 | but file is for mime |
| 11:14.34 | aprendiz001 | when it has a mime like xml |
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| 11:14.40 | aprendiz001 | I can see the encoding |
| 11:15.17 | zinx | file is for telling you what a file is |
| 11:15.24 | zinx | it gives a lot more information than just the mime type. |
| 11:15.34 | zinx | (depending on the file type, of course..) |
| 11:15.59 | zinx | also, it's poor form to outright reject a completely valid answer :/ |
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| 11:16.42 | aprendiz001 | zinx, file horoscopo.xml |
| 11:16.42 | aprendiz001 | horoscopo.xml: XML document text |
| 11:16.47 | aprendiz001 | I have tried before |
| 11:16.56 | aprendiz001 | not is a poor form I think |
| 11:16.57 | zinx | there you go, it's "text" :P |
| 11:17.15 | aprendiz001 | but utf-8, iso-... |
| 11:17.24 | aprendiz001 | I need to know the encoding |
| 11:17.25 | zinx | it may not be possible to tell |
| 11:17.55 | zinx | if it has no characters outside the 7-bit range, there isn't a way, apart from reading the encoding from the xml tag |
| 11:18.19 | zinx | and for that you can use some xml tool, if the file is always going to be xml |
| 11:18.22 | aprendiz001 | in the xml exist special characters |
| 11:18.23 | zinx | but, you should specify that kind of thing |
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| 11:18.53 | aprendiz001 | so flash can't show me in a good way |
| 11:18.58 | zinx | aprendiz001: it's not easily possible to tell, without some sort of AI, what encoding non-UTF8 stuff is |
| 11:19.05 | zinx | if there's no tag telling you what it is |
| 11:19.18 | zinx | because it's just raw characters :/ |
| 11:19.26 | zinx | you just have to look at it in each encoding and see if it makes sense. |
| 11:19.42 | aprendiz001 | the XML is generated for myself |
| 11:19.46 | aprendiz001 | with php |
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| 11:20.02 | zinx | you should put a proper tag in there then, based on what you're putting in it :P |
| 11:20.04 | aprendiz001 | the locales in debian lenny, my server, are UTF-8 |
| 11:20.18 | zinx | you're using the command line php? |
| 11:20.21 | aprendiz001 | I supposed the file created is in that way |
| 11:20.24 | aprendiz001 | no |
| 11:20.27 | aprendiz001 | with apache |
| 11:20.33 | zinx | then your locale does not matter even a little bit |
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| 11:21.01 | aprendiz001 | zibri, then, in apache settings o php? |
| 11:21.17 | zinx | no, in whatever the input you're getting specifies |
| 11:21.22 | zibri | :( |
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| 11:21.39 | zinx | i'm going to assume it's from the user, and thusly that you need to read the encoding from what the user specified |
| 11:21.55 | zinx | and convert it to your desired encoding - the one you're putting in the xml tag |
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| 11:23.42 | aprendiz001 | zinx, I have a web and I generate an xml |
| 11:24.02 | aprendiz001 | that read a flash |
| 11:24.14 | aprendiz001 | but the flash can't show special characters |
| 11:24.33 | aprendiz001 | but I open the xml generated with windows and save wihtout changes |
| 11:24.43 | aprendiz001 | and then the flash works |
| 11:24.58 | aprendiz001 | so I thought it was due to the encoding |
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| 11:28.59 | mrfree | Krwawy_Drwal, I mean if I add LANG in /etc/profile it doesn't affect anything than bash |
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| 11:31.07 | Krwawy_Drwal | mrfree: check your locale |
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| 11:33.36 | mjt | mrfree: there's also /etc/default/environment ; gui display managers can set locale by their own |
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| 11:42.57 | mrfree | mjt, /etc/default/environment doesn't exist in my system |
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| 11:43.35 | Kvant | maybe /etc/environment ? |
| 11:44.21 | mrfree | Kvant, it exists :) I need to add something like export LC_ALL="blabla" or simply LC_ALL="blabla" ? |
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| 11:45.41 | Kvant | if that's what you need, yes |
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| 11:46.18 | Kvant | maybe you have /etc/default/locale too? |
| 11:46.33 | mrfree | Kvant, the problem is that LANG is normally set by pam, but using vzctl pam doesn't start |
| 11:46.40 | mrfree | Kvant, pam uses /etc/default/locale |
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| 11:56.37 | mjt | mrfree: yeah i meant /etc/default/locale, not /etc/default/environment |
| 11:57.00 | mjt | (the latter was a misnamed /etc/environment which is obsolete now) |
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| 11:57.22 | mjt | mrfree: you'll have to use plain NAME=VALUE in these files, no `export' or the like |
| 11:57.38 | mjt | mrfree: see man pam_env |
| 11:58.00 | mrfree | mjt, the problem is that pam does't start with openvz :) |
| 11:58.27 | mjt | and? |
| 11:58.33 | mjt | why should it? |
| 11:59.26 | mrfree | mjt, if pam isn't used those files /etc/environment /etc/default/locale aren't used :) |
| 11:59.35 | mjt | btw "start of openvz" makes no sense by its own. Unlike 'starting openvz container" for example |
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| 12:00.09 | mjt | mrfree: you're mixing apples and oranges really :) |
| 12:00.22 | mjt | think of your containers as about separate machines. |
| 12:00.36 | mjt | with their own pam and environment stuff |
| 12:01.32 | mrfree | mjt, so... those vars aren't setted :) if the problem isn't pam related where I should look?... |
| 12:01.49 | mjt | i don't understand that question |
| 12:01.55 | mjt | without context anyway |
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| 12:02.15 | mjt | you look at the configs for the thing where you want them to be set |
| 12:02.25 | mjt | or somewhere around |
| 12:02.40 | mrfree | on this chan someone told me it's pam related |
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| 12:03.29 | mjt | and? |
| 12:03.47 | mrfree | suggests me to set LANG in other way |
| 12:03.52 | mjt | we already told you how exactly it is related to pam |
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| 12:04.18 | mjt | pam_env reading /etc/default/locale is referenced by all "logging in" pam configs |
| 12:04.24 | sminesco | hello |
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| 12:05.17 | mjt | but as i already said (and this is for the last time now): no one here has para-normal abilities to guess whats your problem, what's the context of that problem |
| 12:05.34 | mjt | for "default context" you got an answer |
| 12:06.33 | mjt | if you run an application that clears all environment first and runs somethin else where you want your $LANG to be there, well, no magic around that application will help, be it pam or something else. |
| 12:06.34 | mrfree | mjt, I think I've told before I'm talking about a VE |
| 12:06.43 | mrfree | on the host all works well |
| 12:06.51 | mjt | and i answered that one for a VE too |
| 12:07.05 | mrfree | mjt, nothing like that |
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| 12:07.11 | mrfree | it's a fresh debian installation |
| 12:07.22 | mrfree | it simply doesn't read the pam files |
| 12:07.23 | mjt | ok, i give up |
| 12:07.26 | mrfree | that's all |
| 12:07.30 | mjt | it shouldn't |
| 12:07.37 | mjt | and i told you just that too |
| 12:08.00 | mrfree | so I haven't understand your solution... |
| 12:08.16 | mjt | 16:00 < mjt> think of your containers as about separate machines. |
| 12:08.20 | mjt | 16:00 < mjt> with their own pam and environment stuff |
| 12:08.43 | mrfree | this approach simply doesn't work |
| 12:08.44 | mjt | maybe there's some other way for openvz to set env. stuff for a container, i don't know |
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| 12:08.53 | mjt | lovely |
| 12:09.06 | mjt | i used it many times and now i discover that it does not work |
| 12:09.29 | mjt | oh well, so the fact that it did work for me was a dream, probably. |
| 12:09.32 | mrfree | have you tryed to use other than POSIX as locale? |
| 12:10.09 | mjt | it has nothing to do with locale. pam_env works for other things too |
| 12:10.21 | mjt | LANG is not magical somehow |
| 12:10.32 | mjt | ditto for _value_ for $LANG |
| 12:10.52 | mjt | using ru_RU.UTF-8 here btw |
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| 12:11.15 | mjt | FAR from POSIX |
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| 12:11.50 | mrfree | :) |
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| 12:14.58 | Arafangion | How do I setup gitosis on debian? |
| 12:16.36 | OpenTokix | Arafangion: apt-get install gitosis ? |
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| 12:17.22 | avtobiff | Arafangion, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+i+set+up+gitosis+on+debian%3F |
| 12:17.29 | sminesco | Arafangion: first, update your sources, then search the package 'apt-cache search gitosis' and..if you found it, install it. |
| 12:18.43 | Arafangion | avtobiff: I googled, however the docs neglected to mention /who/ I should run the account as... Apparently it should be 'gitosis'. |
| 12:19.29 | avtobiff | Arafangion, seems it should be git? |
| 12:19.49 | avtobiff | Arafangion, sorry, gitosis is correct |
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| 12:23.27 | CzV | hello can listing installed packages with dates when they were installed/upgraded debian ? |
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| 12:24.41 | abrotman | you can look at your dpkg/aptitude logs |
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| 12:25.22 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 12:25.33 | cr3rzemjest | is 'amd64' also for intel? |
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| 12:26.18 | SetiAmon | yes |
| 12:26.25 | cr3rzemjest | coz i have intel, and when i ran debiandvd on windows, installer said i have 64bit compatible pc, and would i like to install amd64 variant |
| 12:26.28 | cr3rzemjest | ah, ok thx |
| 12:26.34 | SetiAmon | yeah i have a 64x intel also |
| 12:26.37 | cr3rzemjest | is it worth to install 64 bit though? |
| 12:26.55 | SetiAmon | Dunno its the only thing i'v run(i just came back to linux) |
| 12:27.25 | cr3rzemjest | ok thx :P |
| 12:27.51 | SetiAmon | actually i'm running ubuntu but i want to get away from it because its covered in douchebags so i'm exploring my options,someone told me debian is better in every way including easier which i am shocked,back when i was into linux debian was for uber-geeks |
| 12:28.01 | SetiAmon | it seems gentoo is now the domain of geekdom |
| 12:28.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | cr3rzemjest, depends what your doing |
| 12:28.28 | SetiAmon | I havne't had any problems running x64 but i'm kind of lucky they have alpha or beta versions of my drivers |
| 12:28.35 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: if it's a desktop .. probably not .. |
| 12:28.44 | SetiAmon | x-fi has beta 64x drivers and flash has alpha release |
| 12:28.45 | cr3rzemjest | abrotman: why? |
| 12:29.09 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: you won't really gain anything .. hassle for 64bit only stuff missing |
| 12:29.13 | SetiAmon | I have 4 gigs of ram so to exploit that you have to run at a x64 version. |
| 12:29.16 | abrotman | ia32-libs does help .. |
| 12:29.19 | abrotman | SetiAmon: not true |
| 12:29.46 | SetiAmon | abrotmann,i thought 32 has a max of 4 gigs which it deducts from you graphic memory, |
| 12:29.54 | SetiAmon | it would only read 3.2 in windows |
| 12:29.57 | abrotman | SetiAmon: see the -bigmem kernels |
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| 12:30.04 | abrotman | windows .. isn't .. linux ? |
| 12:30.22 | SetiAmon | Yeyeah i know |
| 12:30.25 | cr3rzemjest | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Pros_and_cons wikpedia FTW |
| 12:30.32 | SetiAmon | but i thought it was something regarding all 32x bit. |
| 12:30.49 | SetiAmon | your saying that 32x linux can utilize more then 4 gigs of ram? |
| 12:30.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 12:31.12 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: kind of useless .. it focuses on hardware and windows .. |
| 12:31.17 | SetiAmon | interesting.i got some bad information then |
| 12:31.24 | scientes | but 64 bit and x86_64 are two differnt things |
| 12:31.25 | cr3rzemjest | but explains |
| 12:31.34 | abrotman | scientes: uhm kind of |
| 12:31.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | SetiAmon, look at the -bigmem kernels as abrotman suggested |
| 12:31.45 | abrotman | scientes: x86_64 is 64bit |
| 12:31.50 | scientes | i still havnt gotten a good description directly relating to x86-32 vs x86-64 |
| 12:31.52 | SetiAmon | but still x64 has to give some performance increases despite the inconvience of the architecture complains |
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| 12:31.54 | SetiAmon | complaints |
| 12:32.04 | SetiAmon | I will |
| 12:32.13 | abrotman | scientes: what? -32 is 32bit .. -64 is 64bit .. what's hard? |
| 12:32.17 | scientes | the only thing i have heard is max memory which is moot |
| 12:32.22 | cr3rzemjest | by the way, do u use 'windows' debian installer? (in 5.0) is it not buggy? can i use it? |
| 12:32.27 | scientes | cause of EMT since pentium 3 |
| 12:32.41 | module000 | scientes: do you understand 64 bit programming vs 32? would you be able to grasp such a description? |
| 12:32.42 | scientes | now there are more registers, better floating point, etc |
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| 12:32.53 | scientes | but i havnt seen a good benchmark |
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| 12:33.26 | module000 | scientes: that's because we aren't re-coding all of firefox or quake3 to take advantage of 64 bit floating pt variables and whatnot. so a benchmark isn't going to be particularly telling |
| 12:33.30 | scientes | i guess those points are very valid |
| 12:33.32 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 12:33.48 | scientes | module000, but what about crypto and tcp, etc |
| 12:34.09 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: use it if you want to |
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| 12:34.54 | module000 | scientes: if crypto libraries are re-written to be more efficient by replacing emulated 64-bit calculations with real ones...then yes you would notice gain, but that' still not the target |
| 12:34.59 | SetiAmon | Cool just read about bigmem kernels.But still i don't see why not use x64 i haven't had any problem with it so far. |
| 12:35.10 | LuciusMare | hey,in irssi,how can i change between rooms? |
| 12:35.14 | module000 | scientes: the gain is noticed in scientific computing, and in largely mathmatical appliactions |
| 12:35.19 | abrotman | SetiAmon: mostly just binary-only software .. and for a desktop, it's really not worth it |
| 12:35.27 | abrotman | LuciusMare: /win ## or ctrl-p or ctrl-n |
| 12:35.31 | scientes | SetiAmon, that exactly what i think, but many people talk those down |
| 12:35.31 | LuciusMare | i mean,i joined debian and so,and now,how can i change between then |
| 12:35.34 | LuciusMare | abrotman: thx |
| 12:35.44 | scientes | like the ubuntu flakes saying that every desktop user should use x86-32 |
| 12:35.46 | edoreld | I'm trying to install a Ubuntu Desktop system from my Debian server using FAI. Has anyone got any experience on this? |
| 12:36.24 | scientes | even if the person knows they have a 64-bit processor |
| 12:36.31 | SetiAmon | Scientes:so you using x64 also |
| 12:36.35 | abrotman | scientes: i just said why |
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| 12:38.56 | LuciusMare | tries if irssi has /me command |
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| 12:40.06 | themill | scientes: so correct me if I'm wrong: you don't know what the difference between the 32 and 64 bit kernels is, but you know that the "ubuntu flakes" don't know what they're talking about by suggesting 32 bit kernels on an amd64 processor |
| 12:41.01 | scientes | i retract my statement, if you have hardware with more capabilities it simply seem dumb to break your ability to use them. The reason seems only software compatibility but ive never run into that |
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| 12:44.13 | LuciusMare | could anyone say my name,please? |
| 12:44.18 | adb | la mai Mare |
| 12:44.29 | adb | sure |
| 12:44.33 | LuciusMare | :) |
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| 12:45.40 | LuciusMare | aw |
| 12:45.58 | LuciusMare | if i am in terminal,i can not multitask,right? |
| 12:46.29 | frostschutz | of course you can |
| 12:46.31 | themill | scientes: there are many reasons not to use amd64 as abrotman has already explained. The support of non-free stuff for i386 is better and for some workloads, i386 can be much faster than amd64. |
| 12:46.32 | Dassu | With screen you can create multiple "windows" |
| 12:46.39 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 12:46.40 | LuciusMare | how? |
| 12:46.47 | abrotman | LuciusMare: screen |
| 12:46.48 | Dassu | just screen -> ctrl+A+D |
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| 12:46.59 | LuciusMare | ? |
| 12:47.03 | abrotman | !screen |
| 12:47.04 | dpkg | well, screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. "aptitude install screen". See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and also ask me about <screen tutorial>. http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:47.10 | frostschutz | you can also background processes without screen etc |
| 12:47.21 | LuciusMare | hm |
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| 12:57.58 | abrotman | *chirp* |
| 12:58.20 | liable | feeds abrotman some seed |
| 12:58.22 | Arafangion | Ok, I now believe that gitosis as it exists in debian lenny is broken. |
| 12:58.41 | torgrim | when did the package keys change? |
| 12:58.45 | torgrim | broke my pxe system ;( |
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| 12:58.54 | abrotman | a month ago ? |
| 12:58.55 | abrotman | maybe more |
| 12:58.59 | Arafangion | Specifically, gitosis-init does not correctly establish the authorized_keys file. |
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| 12:59.14 | torgrim | really? i successfully installed machines like a week or two ago |
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| 12:59.19 | torgrim | hmm |
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| 12:59.35 | liable | was only about two weeks ago iirc |
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| 13:00.56 | Spida | Arafangion: details? |
| 13:00.57 | themill | They keys have been in lenny since before r0 and in etch for 7 weeks. |
| 13:01.51 | Arafangion | Spida: Follow the instructions at http://tech.libersoft.it/2009/git-repository-hosting-in-5-minutes-with-gitosis-in-debian-lenny/ |
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| 13:02.07 | abrotman | liable: longer i thtough |
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| 13:02.41 | Arafangion | Spida: And note that you have to *manually* update the /srv/gitosis/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file in order for the keys to work, and even then you can't checkout the gitosis-admin.git repo properly. |
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| 13:03.02 | Arafangion | The sshd_config file is: http://gist.github.com/122964 |
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| 13:03.23 | liable | abrotman: dunno, it broke something i work on only recently. you could be right though |
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| 13:03.57 | atealtha | how can I update the new public key? I deleted the old one but don't know where to dl the new one |
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| 13:06.27 | abrotman | atealtha: install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 13:07.37 | atealtha | abrotman I just have to take a leap of faith and trust it even though I can't verify it? |
| 13:08.56 | themill | !new archive key |
| 13:08.56 | dpkg | If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>. |
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| 13:10.00 | atealtha | !secure apt |
| 13:10.01 | dpkg | hmm... secure apt is http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
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| 13:10.29 | atealtha | !apt-key 55BE302B |
| 13:10.30 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 55BE302B ; gpg --export 55BE302B | sudo apt-key add - |
| 13:10.42 | atealtha | there we go |
| 13:10.52 | atealtha | themill thanks for the nudge |
| 13:11.26 | LuciusMare|afk | debian has not got ifconfig command? |
| 13:11.40 | themill | LuciusMare|afk: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 13:11.58 | Spida | Arafangion: I used that howto and it works for me. |
| 13:12.28 | Arafangion | Spida: Could you show me the gitosis line in your /etc/passwd then? |
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| 13:12.51 | Arafangion | Spida: Because somehow it's not setup properly for me. (It uses /bin/sh as the login shell) |
| 13:12.55 | lucius | debian has not got ifconfig? |
| 13:13.09 | lucius | what do i have to install to get ifconfig? :)\ |
| 13:13.29 | themill | lucius: LuciusMare|afk: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 13:13.43 | Arafangion | lucius: /sbin is not on the user path by default, as most users shouldn't need system binaries. |
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| 13:14.27 | LuciusMare | damn |
| 13:14.36 | LuciusMare | so what is needed for ifconfig? |
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| 13:15.03 | Arafangion | LuciusMare: I refer you to what themill suggested. |
| 13:16.09 | Spida | Arafangion: its /bin/sh for me there, too. |
| 13:16.13 | LuciusMare | Arafangion: i was not here |
| 13:16.16 | LuciusMare | when he said it |
| 13:16.22 | LuciusMare | please,could you repeat it? |
| 13:16.24 | themill | LuciusMare: lucius: LuciusMare|afk: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 13:16.29 | themill | third time lucky? |
| 13:16.49 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 13:16.50 | Spida | Arafangion: but thats not the relevant part; the .ssh/authorized_keys of your gitosis user is. |
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| 13:17.16 | LuciusMare | is it possible to permanently alias something? |
| 13:17.38 | Arafangion | Spida: I had to manually shove my id_rsa.pub key into the .ssh/authorized_keys2 file, but even when I did that, I could not clone the gitosis-admin.git repo properly. |
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| 13:18.41 | LuciusMare | i think so |
| 13:18.47 | LuciusMare | so i will ask differently |
| 13:18.53 | LuciusMare | how can i permanently alias something? |
| 13:19.03 | azeem | how permanent is permanent? |
| 13:19.25 | LuciusMare | permanent is totally permanent |
| 13:19.33 | themill | Are you just wanting to type "ifconfig" instead of "/sbin/ifconfig"? |
| 13:19.34 | abrotman | !enter |
| 13:19.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:19.37 | Arafangion | LuciusMare: Few things are permanent. |
| 13:19.40 | azeem | LuciusMare: so after the Sun becomes Supernova? |
| 13:19.42 | azeem | LuciusMare: easiest is probably to declare the alias in your shell startup scripts |
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| 13:20.12 | LuciusMare | themill: yes,and i want to alias a few more things |
| 13:20.17 | Arafangion | LuciusMare: For instance, my account on my computer will last until the next electrical storm, and if I am lucky, will then resurrect until the hardware actually dies. |
| 13:20.32 | LuciusMare | azeem: how can i set some script to run after logon? |
| 13:20.44 | azeem | LuciusMare: read the documentation of your shell, probably bash |
| 13:21.05 | Arafangion | Spida: Thanks, I seem to be resolving my issue. |
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| 13:26.40 | x4d | Hi, I'm having some problems getting visudo, I remember yesterday using it but exiting without making any changes. This is on a clean install of Lenny done yesterday. And this morning when I type visudo i get bash: visudo: command not found. |
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| 13:27.12 | Arafangion | Spida: The problem is that gitosis-init does things differently depending on how many times it's been run, so debugging it was a /pain/ |
| 13:27.24 | themill | x4d: are you trying to run it as root? |
| 13:27.32 | x4d | themill: yes |
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| 13:28.08 | LuciusMare | i made a file, .bash_profile in my home |
| 13:28.31 | valdyn | x4d: /usr/sbin/visudo |
| 13:28.53 | nkuttler | LuciusMare: man bash, see invocation |
| 13:29.06 | x4d | valdyn: that gives me No such file or directory |
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| 13:29.17 | LuciusMare | then i wrote my "aliases" in it and executed it,but when i see defined aliases,they are not there |
| 13:29.25 | valdyn | x4d: you removed sudo? |
| 13:29.33 | x4d | valdyn: no |
| 13:29.34 | themill | LuciusMare: you don't execute it, you source it. ". ~/.bash_profile" |
| 13:29.58 | valdyn | x4d: "aptitude reinstall sudo" |
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| 13:30.11 | JJOliver | Hi i'm trying set up a file server using debian. I have done 'apt-get install samba samba-common smbclient swat' |
| 13:30.29 | JJOliver | However when going to http://localhost:901 there is an error saying . . . ] |
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| 13:30.48 | JJOliver | 'localhost' refused the connection, likely causes are 1. service swat isn't started |
| 13:30.53 | x4d | valdyn: great that worked, |
| 13:30.58 | JJOliver | or the port number 901 is wrong. |
| 13:31.00 | Spida | Arafangion: yes. |
| 13:31.07 | valdyn | x4d: now you obviously did remove sudo or just visudo |
| 13:31.08 | x4d | valdyn: how in hell did sudo get uninstalled ? |
| 13:31.18 | valdyn | x4d: i dont know |
| 13:31.24 | JJOliver | (try to start it using the services config tool in system > control centre . . . |
| 13:31.33 | valdyn | JJOliver: dont use gui |
| 13:31.41 | valdyn | JJOliver: /etc/init.d/swat start |
| 13:31.43 | Arafangion | How do I report a bug to debian? |
| 13:31.53 | nkuttler | Arafangion: package reportbug |
| 13:31.59 | Arafangion | Nice. |
| 13:32.11 | LuciusMare | i executed it,but it is still not there |
| 13:32.15 | JJOliver | valdyn: bash: /etc/init.d/swat: No such file or directory |
| 13:32.19 | valdyn | JJOliver: uh |
| 13:32.44 | valdyn | JJOliver: started via inetd |
| 13:32.45 | x4d | valdyn: I'm looking at my bash history and I don't find anything that would have uninstalled it, strange... anyways, thanks for the help |
| 13:32.45 | Arafangion | nkuttler: What do you mean by that? 'package' is not a command. |
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| 13:32.57 | nkuttler | Arafangion: yeah, it's a package |
| 13:32.59 | Arafangion | nkuttler: and 'gitosis reportbug' doesn't neccessarily work. |
| 13:33.04 | valdyn | JJOliver: which means you probably have to /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart or somesuch |
| 13:33.06 | nkuttler | what is gitosis? |
| 13:33.10 | Arafangion | Ok, the package for package is called package? |
| 13:33.15 | LuciusMare | i do not know what can cause it |
| 13:33.18 | JJOliver | valdyn: I've tried that . . . didn't work |
| 13:33.24 | Arafangion | nkuttler: It's a server thingy for git. |
| 13:33.34 | valdyn | JJOliver: then you get to read the docs : /usr/share/doc/swat/ |
| 13:33.35 | nkuttler | Arafangion: are you using debian? |
| 13:33.41 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Yes. |
| 13:33.47 | valdyn | JJOliver: and btw, the package maintainers say that swat is trash, consider that |
| 13:33.53 | nkuttler | Arafangion: then you certainly know how to install software the debian way? |
| 13:33.59 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Yes. |
| 13:34.12 | LuciusMare | because,i am pretty sure that i executed it,and the command is right |
| 13:34.16 | nkuttler | Arafangion: so.... install reportbug... |
| 13:34.26 | JJOliver | valdyn: you just sold me on the other option for swat . . . apt-get remove |
| 13:34.31 | Arafangion | nkuttler: As opposed to package, thanks. :) |
| 13:34.40 | valdyn | JJOliver: ehe |
| 13:35.04 | nkuttler | Arafangion: package is a widely used term for ... debian packages |
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| 13:35.45 | creature_ | wait, how did you set the default filemanager in gnome? |
| 13:35.52 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Sorry, I'm tired, I've spent two hours of my evening fighting gitosis, because it dared do something differently the first time I ran it but never did it again. |
| 13:36.26 | nkuttler | Arafangion: that has nothing to do with anything. get some sleep i guess |
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| 13:38.22 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Well, arguably it was a language parsing issue, responding with "package reportbug" rather than "Install reportbug" or "You want the package known as reportbug" can result in confusion, particularly if the person doesn't necessarily use english colloquially. |
| 13:38.23 | LuciusMare | god,why doesnt it work?when i write the alias command into that file,then executing that file,the alias commands are not declared |
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| 13:38.50 | enouf | likes slay |
| 13:39.11 | valdyn | !wikifaq LuciusMare DotFiles |
| 13:39.12 | dpkg | LuciusMare: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 13:39.35 | LuciusMare | i have not got any browser,tell me it |
| 13:39.45 | enouf | oohhh .. a wikifaq trigger .. \o/ |
| 13:39.49 | valdyn | LuciusMare: then install a browser |
| 13:40.01 | LuciusMare | which browser runs in terminal mode? |
| 13:40.07 | enouf | many |
| 13:40.09 | valdyn | LuciusMare: lynx and links |
| 13:40.11 | nkuttler | Arafangion: get some sleep |
| 13:40.17 | Arafangion | nkuttler: At least, I'll get some sleep before reporting the bug, that way I won't use an attrocious tone when I report it. :) Thanks |
| 13:40.19 | enouf | !links2 |
| 13:40.19 | dpkg | [links2] a text and graphics browser with support for HTTPS and JavaScript, packaged for Debian. For using in console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in console in GUI mode). Ask me about <links2 settings>. Does not honor the <http_proxy> / <ftp_proxy> environment variables (Debian bugs #55425, #93359). http://links.twibright.com/ |
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| 13:40.37 | enouf | w3m, lynx, variants of links, etc etc |
| 13:40.46 | LuciusMare | what is so different about .files? |
| 13:41.20 | valdyn | LuciusMare: maybe i told you to read the faq to not answer these questions |
| 13:41.43 | valdyn | LuciusMare: maybe i told you to read the faq in order not to have to answer these questions |
| 13:41.47 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 13:41.47 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
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| 13:41.59 | valdyn | LuciusMare: and maybe the faq explains it better than I ever could |
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| 13:45.23 | LuciusMare | ok,i read that page |
| 13:45.34 | LuciusMare | it did not solve my problem at all,just told me what i already know |
| 13:45.36 | hoohaah | hi guys, is b.d.o fairly slow for anyone else tonight? |
| 13:45.54 | hoohaah | depending on the timezone you're in, of course |
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| 13:47.29 | LuciusMare | my problem was that the alias doesnt work if executed in a file |
| 13:47.42 | LuciusMare | not what are .files |
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| 13:48.09 | azeem | LuciusMare: aliases are shell-specific AFAIK |
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| 13:48.28 | azeem | so if you run the file, the alias gets only set for the shell used to run the file, not for the shell you ran the command from |
| 13:48.31 | enouf | you know nothing |
| 13:49.45 | enouf | if you already knew, you wouldn't have to ask |
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| 13:50.10 | LuciusMare | wait,this means that when i execute a file from bash,the file does not execute in bash? |
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| 13:50.11 | hark | LuciusMare: what do you mean by "executed in a file"? |
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| 13:50.12 | LuciusMare | hark: i mean that i insert that command into a file,then i execute that file |
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| 13:50.29 | module000 | LuciusMare: you mean making a shell script? |
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| 13:50.50 | enouf | LuciusMare: my simple answer is use .bashrc - that's where my aliases are, and they all work |
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| 13:51.01 | Arafangion | LuciusMare: If you're pedantic, you can only "execute" ELF format files in a typical linux system. |
| 13:51.02 | hark | LuciusMare: you don't execute it, source it |
| 13:51.11 | LuciusMare | ? |
| 13:51.20 | LuciusMare | someone told me that before |
| 13:51.22 | enouf | hark: he |
| 13:51.27 | Arafangion | LuciusMare: All other program files get run by an interpreter, which is itself an ELF format program. |
| 13:51.35 | Thead | i need some advice, im making a perl script to see if an eth port is reaching a host |
| 13:51.37 | enouf | hark: he's been told that already via themill |
| 13:51.48 | LuciusMare | so how i execute a file? |
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| 13:51.51 | Thead | im trying to do that via ping |
| 13:52.01 | Arafangion | LuciusMare: Thus, by "executing" your file, you probably mean "started a new execution of bash to run it", in which case it would've correctly set the alias - and then quit. |
| 13:52.03 | Thead | but cant get a decent result |
| 13:52.05 | hark | enouf: oh, i haven't been following :) |
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| 13:52.20 | Arafangion | LuciusMare: What you want is to have your *current* bash setup to alias the file, which is different. |
| 13:52.20 | enouf | hark: no worries ;-) |
| 13:52.20 | oznt | hi everyone, just a quick question - does someone know where trac saves my wiki pages ? |
| 13:52.23 | LuciusMare | Arafangion: oh |
| 13:52.28 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 13:52.45 | kamp2tux | Help! my motherboard failed, and the harddisk is moved to another PC to access the data, but I don't know how to mount the harddisk which is already in LVM format. Please help. Thanks |
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| 13:52.48 | LuciusMare | thank you |
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| 13:53.02 | kamp2tux | I am newbie of Debian |
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| 13:53.58 | Arafangion | LuciusMare: So, you want to put it into your ~/.bashrc file, and then possibly source it, and in bash the convention is to use ". filename" (without the quotes) |
| 13:53.58 | Arafangion | G'night. |
| 13:53.59 | enouf | waves |
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| 13:54.32 | Thead | mayor internet failure... |
| 13:54.39 | Arafangion | enouf: Stop interfering with my dramatic exit. :) |
| 13:54.41 | Thead | anyway |
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| 13:54.51 | Arafangion | Thead: Internet's fine on my end. |
| 13:54.52 | Thead | some advice about pinging with perl? |
| 13:54.59 | hark | kamp2tux: use vgchange |
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| 13:55.16 | Thead | arafangion, yeah, its my ISP that sucks |
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| 13:56.19 | Thead | anyone? |
| 13:56.36 | creature_ | where do you assign what program opens a file type |
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| 13:56.37 | enouf | tried #perl ? |
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| 13:56.53 | ariel_ | I am trying to get my intel e1000e board working correctly. I was told to put into my modules.conf this line. But debian does not have this file. But I did find /etc/modules and I added this to it: options e1000e InterruptThrottleRate=0,0 |
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| 13:57.02 | ariel_ | Is this the correct location for this setting? |
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| 13:57.17 | enouf | ariel_: we use /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 13:57.20 | Thead | #perl |
| 13:57.20 | avu | Thead, sending and receiving ICMP packets requires rootprivileges and at least libc doesn't contain anything/much to help you |
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| 13:57.45 | hark | ariel_: you don't need options there |
| 13:57.50 | enouf | ariel_: rm or mv any /etc/modules.conf and /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 13:57.59 | avu | Thead, CPAN probably has some module(s) to make it easier, you will still have to run the script as root though. |
| 13:58.01 | kamp2tux | enouf, the problem is the harddisk has the same volume group name == so, it conflict |
| 13:58.02 | Thead | avu, i just need to test if the eth1 is reaching the gateway with the script |
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| 13:58.27 | enouf | kamp2tux: i think you want someone else's nick |
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| 13:58.29 | xtyn | do i need xdm if i run fluxbox? |
| 13:58.38 | avu | xtyn, no |
| 13:58.39 | ariel_ | enouf: I don't have any modules.conf |
| 13:58.42 | xtyn | :) |
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| 13:58.58 | kamp2tux | enouf, i understand what is "nick" |
| 13:59.11 | hark | ariel_: man modules ; man modprobe.conf |
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| 13:59.27 | ariel_ | hark: thank you |
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| 13:59.52 | enouf | ariel_: echo "options e1000e InterruptThrottleRate=0,0" > /etc/modprobe.d/intel-e1000e would suffice |
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| 14:00.06 | ariel_ | great t/y |
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| 14:00.49 | Thead | any ideas? anyone? |
| 14:00.49 | enouf | ariel_: _if_ that module option helps that is ; modinfo e1000e |
| 14:00.51 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys ...i have a debian 5 CD right now ...is it stable enough ? |
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| 14:02.10 | acxty | Hi guys, is there a way to see who is using /dev/ttyS0 |
| 14:02.23 | liable | lsof or fuser |
| 14:02.50 | hoohaah | lsof |
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| 14:08.54 | creature_ | oh my fucking god i can't believe the bugs gnome-command has |
| 14:09.00 | creature_ | gnome-commander |
| 14:09.01 | Eck[screen] | :O |
| 14:09.13 | zhxk | iknoia:are you the fucking guy in #ubuntu-ops? |
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| 14:12.08 | Abcd123 | Hi |
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| 14:13.25 | Abcd123 | I have problemes to use "dpkg --set-selections" with lenny. With etch everything works like expected. Anybody here how can help? |
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| 14:13.27 | liable | why did you ban him stew? |
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| 14:14.34 | azeem | liable: cross-posting random unrelated, off-topic stuff with explicit language on |
| 14:14.37 | azeem | (I guess) |
| 14:14.58 | liable | oh, i didnt see anything in backlog is all |
| 14:16.27 | xoz | Abcd123: elaborate the problem or error message |
| 14:16.47 | hoohaah | Abcd123: what is expected behaviour? |
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| 14:17.12 | Abcd123 | xoz: In the paste I could write "openvpn install" to a file and then I used dpkg --set-selections < filename |
| 14:17.36 | Abcd123 | Afterwards I run apt-get dselect-upgrade. With etch openvpn was installed. With lenny not. |
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| 14:19.25 | Abcd123 | Afterwards "dpkg -s openvpn" shows: Package: openvpn Status: install ok not-installed |
| 14:19.55 | creature_ | !volatile |
| 14:19.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
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| 14:21.17 | mm0rphx | hey, does anybody know why -m owner doesn't work? (error: No chain/target/match by that name.) iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o venet0 -m owner --uid-owner 10001 -j SNAT --to-source x.x.x.183 |
| 14:24.59 | peppe | mm0rphx: no -m owner, I suppose. check dmesg |
| 14:25.36 | peppe | (and of course owner makes sense only in the OUTPUT chain) |
| 14:26.22 | mm0rphx | thx, but doesnt work without -m owner ofc |
| 14:27.20 | peppe | of course "it doesn't work" (--uid-owner requires the owner module). but the owner module does not make sense in that chain |
| 14:28.31 | mm0rphx | im trying to redirect a ssh tunnel connection logged in from user "user1" to the outgoing ip x.x.x.183 |
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| 14:29.25 | afaict | hi folks, Do you have any idea when Xen 3.4 will be included in unstable distro ? |
| 14:29.42 | afaict | Im installing xen 3.3 in unstable to deploy at office |
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| 14:30.19 | anddam | hello |
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| 14:30.26 | afaict | andash hello moto |
| 14:30.31 | anddam | how can I check the wealth of HD? |
| 14:30.43 | mm0rphx | peppe: got the same error using OUTPUT :/ |
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| 14:31.01 | Abcd123 | anddam use smartctl |
| 14:31.02 | anddam | I'm getting a lot of dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } and dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 14:31.05 | mquin | anddam: rifle though it's wallet |
| 14:31.22 | peppe | mm0rphx: as I said, perhaps you don't have the owner module... check dmesg |
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| 14:31.33 | anddam | mquin: what do you mean? |
| 14:31.44 | peppe | mm0rphx: and you can't use SNAT target in the output chain |
| 14:31.49 | stew | anddam: he was making a joke about your misusing "wealth" insteadof "health" |
| 14:32.05 | mquin | anddam: I'm joking. Presuming you mean 'health' - take a look at smartctl |
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| 14:32.09 | peppe | anddam: time to buy a new hard drive |
| 14:32.12 | stew | anddam: but that drive is most likely dying. I'd take a backup first, then look at startmontools |
| 14:32.18 | stew | anddam: err smartmontools |
| 14:32.31 | anddam | mquin: yes, oh wealth is referred to money status :-p |
| 14:33.26 | mquin | :) |
| 14:33.26 | anddam | stew: is that different from smartctl Abcd123 suggested? |
| 14:33.26 | anddam | stew: btw it's dying, isn't it? |
| 14:33.26 | Abcd123 | anddam: it is |
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| 14:33.27 | anddam | I was afraid of that |
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| 14:33.29 | mm0rphx | peppe: um sry :/ dont know how to check, -n owner --help prints OWNER match v1.3.6 options: .. |
| 14:33.51 | stew | anddam: yes, it's most likely dying. it could be a bad cable, but usually its the thing with the moving parts. smartctl is the command from the smartmontools pacakge |
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| 14:35.43 | alpha_one_x86 | Hello, somebody can help my to fix my .deb source? |
| 14:36.05 | Oleg_ | People, "apt-get install rtorrent" installs version 0.7.9 of rtorrent, but I wanna install the more recent version of rtorrent (ver. 0.8.2 or 0.8.3). The only way I can do it on my debian distro is by compiling rtorrent from source? |
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| 14:36.33 | peppe | Oleg_: or using sid packages |
| 14:36.42 | Abcd123 | xoz: Do you have any idea whats the cause of my problem? |
| 14:36.45 | Oleg_ | never heard of sid packages before |
| 14:36.54 | Oleg_ | I started using debian really recently |
| 14:37.34 | anddam | stew: it's a relatively new disc on old motherboard |
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| 14:38.25 | garethppls | Hey all, what is the command to restart GDM on debian? |
| 14:38.28 | stew | Oleg_: /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:38.28 | garethppls | or to restart GNOME even |
| 14:38.39 | garethppls | after it crashes |
| 14:38.49 | stew | anddam: well, i'd still recommend to make a backup then check SMART |
| 14:38.49 | bzed | garethppls: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 14:38.55 | garethppls | cheers |
| 14:38.58 | stew | anddam: these things tend to happen to really new or really old disks |
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| 14:39.54 | anddam | it's the 200gb I use as backup :-) |
| 14:40.04 | anddam | time to change it |
| 14:40.29 | nick4 | Power went down. My external hard drive was mounted so I am now fsck'ing it. Can I stop the fsck safely? I think we are going for another power down... |
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| 14:40.49 | themill | offers nick4 some mice and a treadmill |
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| 14:42.05 | Oleg_ | The instruction sound too complicated. Maybe I will simply compile from source everything that I need. |
| 14:42.54 | stew | Oleg_: if you are going to compile from source, I'd recommend /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:43.00 | Oleg_ | ok |
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| 14:43.40 | Imran-UK | i'm installing grub over lilo. debian lenny. apt reports as grub being installed but there are no stage1,2 etc files in /boot/grub - are these put in there automatically when i issue grub-install? |
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| 14:44.07 | stew | Oleg_: you'd have to first backport libtorrent, then backport rtorrent |
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| 14:44.58 | sobersabre | are there any t/csh users around here ? |
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| 14:45.39 | sobersabre | I'll ask anyway :) |
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| 14:46.10 | sobersabre | In bash there's a nice feature of having to define+set a variable by a simple VARNAME=varvalue |
| 14:46.35 | sobersabre | given this and the "." sourcing, it's very convenient to source variables set from external file. |
| 14:46.48 | sobersabre | and then use them in my current file. |
| 14:46.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | shell man page should tell you |
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| 14:47.05 | sobersabre | Kamping_Kaiser: I haven't got to the point yet. thanks for sharing your knowledge ;-) |
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| 14:47.28 | beardy | Tell us around next xmas when you do! |
| 14:47.32 | sobersabre | anyway, the debian system is nicely using this for example via /etc/default folder. |
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| 14:47.47 | sobersabre | I would like to use that feature from a csh script. |
| 14:48.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | sobersabre, in <5 steps i can find it in the bash man page :) |
| 14:48.01 | sobersabre | but in CSH the syntax is "set VARNAME=varvalue". |
| 14:48.07 | Cim | \amethyst: hi, it's me again, i have found where is problem, I've changed the filesystem from fat32 to ext3 on pendrive and everything works |
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| 14:48.19 | beardy | Less Enter my friend. |
| 14:48.44 | sobersabre | so what I thought of doing was: adding "set `cat /etc/default/conffile`" |
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| 14:49.05 | sobersabre | and hoped that this would set a variable, since the file conffile contains VARNAME=varvalue |
| 14:49.08 | Cim | \amethyst: but this is another problem because i need to have an fat 32 on this pendrive |
| 14:49.10 | sobersabre | but this didn't work. |
| 14:49.34 | sobersabre | so, I hoped there's a csh user around here... and luckily that user could be proficient enough in csh. |
| 14:49.44 | beardy | !enter |
| 14:49.44 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:50.13 | sobersabre | Kamping_Kaiser: so... in <5 steps please show me your ideas. |
| 14:50.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | man bash -> /variables -> n -> n -> n -> profit. |
| 14:51.16 | sobersabre | Kamping_Kaiser: you are missing I need man csh. right ? |
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| 14:51.34 | liable | even more profit! |
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| 14:52.32 | ishi | sobersabre: I think that there is a built in '.' command to do this |
| 14:52.55 | Oleg_ | Maybe I can simply follow these instructions: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/InstallRtorrentOnDebain ? |
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| 14:53.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | sobersabre, no, but i dont have that installed. just making the point that its probably not hard to find the right bit of the manual. |
| 14:53.53 | sobersabre | Kamping_Kaiser: it is not hard to find the right bit of the manual (i.e. to go through the whole manual) |
| 14:53.57 | beardy | sobersabre: It would also be easier to read one saying instead of 10, to actually know what you want. |
| 14:54.10 | beardy | sobersabre: You are wondering why variables are not expanded in csh? |
| 14:54.31 | themill | sobersabre: very vague memory (from a misguided youth when I used tcsh) that there is a "source" command that does exactly what you want |
| 14:54.34 | sobersabre | beardy: do you think what I wrote before the actual question is useless ? |
| 14:54.59 | sobersabre | themill: the problem is I cannot do something like [set "source file"] |
| 14:55.07 | beardy | sobersabre: No, but it is easier to read if you sum it up in a few longer "sayings"/posts, just an advice. |
| 14:55.20 | themill | sobersabre: you wouldn't, you'd just "source file" |
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| 14:55.37 | sobersabre | themill: but X=y won't work in csh. |
| 14:55.49 | abrotman | he might uh .. want to ask #solaris .. it defaulted to csh for years |
| 14:55.59 | abrotman | (maybe still?) |
| 14:56.07 | sobersabre | abrotman: good! I think fbsd is too! |
| 14:56.09 | themill | sobersabre: so you're wanting to get bash syntax to work with tcsh? |
| 14:56.16 | sobersabre | themill: yes. |
| 14:56.24 | themill | do you detect a problem here? |
| 14:56.24 | beardy | fbsd has it installed atleast.. this one.. |
| 14:56.28 | abrotman | themill: that deserves a !pal |
| 14:56.58 | beardy | sobersabre: Might one ask why you are not just running bash instead then? |
| 14:57.06 | sobersabre | themill: I want to use bash syntax and implant it into the tcsh expression to set variable that is.... I don't know how to say it in short and clearly. |
| 14:57.22 | sobersabre | beardy: yes, but the answer is compatibility. |
| 14:57.25 | themill | just use bash... |
| 14:57.40 | beardy | sobersabre: themill said "source" exists, so it is compatible. |
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| 14:58.00 | themill | well, source will still expect to have a file full of csh commands not sh comamnds |
| 14:58.01 | sobersabre | beardy: source is compatible, but VAR=val is not. |
| 14:58.02 | beardy | sobersabre: When sourcing something you do not do so from a variable, you don't need to either. |
| 14:58.34 | beardy | sobersabre: Are you doing this in a script or interactively? |
| 14:58.38 | sobersabre | beardy: there's a file /etc/default/application |
| 14:58.43 | sobersabre | beardy: in a script of course. |
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| 14:59.05 | sobersabre | and inside that file there's 1 line APP=version |
| 14:59.06 | beardy | sobersabre: Nothing is of course. Anyway, everything has sh. Make it sh compatible and be happy. |
| 14:59.07 | themill | sobersabre: but your script is going to have a #! line that defines what interpreter to use. |
| 14:59.29 | qwertz | Hi, last time i used "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set resolution of the x server but lenny seems to do it another way - any hints? |
| 14:59.45 | sobersabre | beardy: yes, rewrite several dozens of scripts, and make some professors to move to bash. beardy this is yet another "of course" :) |
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| 15:00.07 | beardy | sobersabre: Ask the professors. They should know and be paid to answer. |
| 15:00.18 | themill | sobersabre: there's no reason why the script and the user's login shell need to use the same interpreter. |
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| 15:00.42 | sobersabre | beardy,themill: I think you're missing the point of irc :) |
| 15:00.56 | sobersabre | it's not convincing yourself there is no problem. |
| 15:00.58 | themill | sobersabre: $USER will always use $SHELL as defined in /etc/passwd and your script will use whatever is in the #! line. |
| 15:01.10 | sobersabre | themill: are you serious ? |
| 15:01.19 | themill | sobersabre: err... yes. That's how it works... |
| 15:01.21 | beardy | sobersabre: He is. |
| 15:01.22 | sobersabre | starts being sarcastic... |
| 15:01.31 | beardy | sobersabre: Read it again. |
| 15:01.33 | abrotman | themill: well .. $USER will use the shell by default .. |
| 15:01.39 | abrotman | that can be changed after login |
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| 15:01.54 | themill | abrotman: you're not helping.... |
| 15:01.56 | beardy | But I don't know either why themill pointed that out. |
| 15:02.04 | sobersabre | beardy: are you serious too, that the scripts don't have to coincide with the login shell ? |
| 15:02.14 | sobersabre | continues being sarcastic... |
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| 15:02.40 | abrotman | themill: telling him about #! was sufficient |
| 15:02.40 | beardy | sobersabre: Yes. Scripts are files containing commands, that are interpreted by the interpreter listed first in the file after #! |
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| 15:02.47 | themill | sobersabre: you're trying to do something utterly insane. Your sarcasm isn't helping. Can you explain how this actually works and what you're really trying to do? |
| 15:02.47 | sobersabre | anyway, thanks for the advice asking on #{freebsd,solaris} |
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| 15:03.26 | beardy | sobersabre: If your professor runs csh interactively, he will have no problem running a bash script stating #!/bin/bash first, all fine and perfect. |
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| 15:03.56 | themill | abrotman: except he didn't get that. sobersabre seem's to think that his script needs to be written for the interpreter that professor is using. |
| 15:04.02 | jelly-home | shebangs beardy |
| 15:04.13 | abrotman | get a channel! |
| 15:04.13 | beardy | enjoys. |
| 15:04.35 | jelly-home | /j #!shebang |
| 15:05.01 | themill | /topic #!/bin/sh |
| 15:05.06 | abrotman | themill: so have him prove that he's right ? |
| 15:05.13 | jelly-home | hah, #!/bin/sh already exists. |
| 15:06.12 | jelly-home | themill: I accidentally onto it |
| 15:06.29 | sobersabre | themill: I have an application. it runs many "jobs", some of them are scripts. some of them are in csh, some in bash. when the application starts, I need to make sure the script gets proper environment. I can source it via csh.cshrc, but I prefer to try doing a more elegant solution: to use bash settings, and to implant those settings (currently no idea how) into the csh environments of the scripts that are written in csh. |
| 15:06.42 | sobersabre | jelly-home: I like :) |
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| 15:07.51 | jelly-home | sobersabre: a) your application is poorly designed b) that's what enviroment variables are for |
| 15:07.59 | eniaC | :| |
| 15:08.22 | sobersabre | jelly-home: I am trying to have less files to maintain. |
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| 15:09.07 | sobersabre | this app is being upgraded frequently.... and I think I have an idea while we're at it. |
| 15:09.10 | sobersabre | :) |
| 15:09.15 | jelly-home | sobersabre: rewrite it all in perl. Job security! |
| 15:09.23 | beardy | No.. bash. |
| 15:09.25 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 15:10.22 | sobersabre | I have a good idea actually. the problem was with multiple versions of that applications, so I had to keep it's version in the directory name. |
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| 15:10.39 | Unode-[work] | hi everyone |
| 15:10.49 | sobersabre | anyway, thanks for the questions and the discussion. |
| 15:11.10 | eniaC | ;o |
| 15:11.10 | Unode-[work] | is anyone running kde4 with konsole 2.2.2 that could test something related to 256 color support and screen? |
| 15:11.19 | beardy | Good luck with the professors. |
| 15:11.45 | acxty | how can I force to close /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 15:12.01 | beardy | acxty: Close, meaning? |
| 15:12.11 | beardy | acxty: What is attached to it? |
| 15:12.14 | liable | unplug the hardware |
| 15:12.24 | Tagor | How can I reload the /etc/resolv.conf? What should I do after changing it? |
| 15:12.40 | abrotman | Tagor: shouldn't need to do anything |
| 15:12.42 | beardy | Tagor: It gets used immediately. |
| 15:12.52 | liable | Tagor: it doesnt need to be reloaded |
| 15:12.58 | acxty | beardy, I have a gsm modem, The modem is not working because it says that /dev/ttyS0 is already in use |
| 15:13.07 | liable | meh, third place! |
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| 15:13.34 | beardy | acxty: 'ath'? |
| 15:13.34 | liable | acxty: erm, your gsm modem is plugged in via serial port? |
| 15:13.45 | acxty | yes |
| 15:13.46 | Tagor | beardy: if I use ping after changing the resolv.conf it still points to an old location? |
| 15:14.03 | beardy | Tagor: The machine has a dns cache? |
| 15:14.10 | liable | acxty: really? it has a big ass connector on it? |
| 15:14.23 | acxty | liable, :) yes |
| 15:14.24 | Tagor | beardy: I'm not sure what you mean, I use bind |
| 15:14.58 | Tagor | beardy: I created a new DNS zone and put localhost as first nameserver |
| 15:15.01 | beardy | Tagor: I mean, flush your bind then. So it asks again, using what you thought was better, in your resolv.conf. |
| 15:15.56 | liable | acxty: i am having a hard time believing that. the speed over serial isnt so great, i am surprised any modern modem like a gsm one would have a serial connector |
| 15:16.06 | jelly-home | Unode-[work]: what do you want to test? |
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| 15:16.28 | acxty | liable, believe me, there it is |
| 15:16.37 | beardy | liable: You don't get anything higher over GSm that a serial cable does not supersede. |
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| 15:17.16 | beardy | acxty: But, reset the line, or hang it up. |
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| 15:17.40 | tnks | has anyone noticed Subversion being broken recently? |
| 15:17.42 | acxty | acxty, last time I reset the computer and it works fine, but right now cannot do that |
| 15:17.51 | tnks | (I'm on testing) |
| 15:17.52 | beardy | :) |
| 15:17.58 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: open a new konsole, export TERM=xterm-256color |
| 15:17.58 | acxty | jaja |
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| 15:18.26 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: get the colortable16.sh script from http://www.frexx.de/xterm-256-notes/ |
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| 15:18.48 | beardy | acxty: I mean, run minicom or that other serial port thingy, and give it an 'ath' and/or 'atz'. |
| 15:18.54 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: run screen on the konsole and then sh colortable16.sh |
| 15:19.15 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: tell me if you still get bright colors |
| 15:19.24 | acxty | beardy, already try with minicom, but it also cannot connect to the device |
| 15:19.28 | Unode-[work] | or if you get something like http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1874/colors.png |
| 15:19.44 | beardy | acxty: Powercycle the GSM modem? |
| 15:19.45 | jelly-home | Unode-[work]: I'm using pastel colorset. :-) |
| 15:20.03 | nick4 | themill your mice didn't make it :( |
| 15:20.14 | acxty | beardy, also |
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| 15:20.30 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: then open a new konsole and also run sh colortable16.sh there |
| 15:20.35 | jelly-home | Unode-[work]: only 8 colors with or without screen. |
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| 15:20.39 | Unode-[work] | can compare the two outputs |
| 15:20.45 | beardy | acxty: Reconnect the serial cable and blow on it three times. |
| 15:20.59 | beardy | acxty: I don't know really. |
| 15:21.24 | acxty | beardy, :) will have to reboot the computer then |
| 15:21.49 | beardy | acxty: If the serial port support is modular, reload the kernel module. |
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| 15:22.08 | acxty | beardy, that I don't know how |
| 15:22.16 | beardy | !modprobe |
| 15:22.17 | dpkg | Add module to kernel: "modprobe foo"; Remove module from kernel: "modprobe -r foo"; Define module options: "man modprobe.conf", "echo options foo bar=baz qux=quux >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf". See also: <modconf>, "man modprobe", "man modprobe.conf", /etc/modprobe.d/* , <blacklist>, <module-assistant>. |
| 15:22.35 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: this is what I should get (and I do get outside screen) http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3625/colorsnormal.png |
| 15:22.40 | acxty | thanks |
| 15:22.42 | jelly-home | Unode-[work]: ok. With linux colors, I can discern 16 fg and 8 bg colors, again, both with and without screen |
| 15:23.00 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: this is what I get inside screen with 256 color support http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1874/colors.png |
| 15:23.07 | jelly-home | oh, forgot to change TERM |
| 15:23.36 | beardy | acxty: Hmm, look into setserial, perhaps it can do some lowlevel reset. |
| 15:23.42 | acxty | ok |
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| 15:24.16 | acxty | beardy, does setserial is the module's name? |
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| 15:24.26 | beardy | acxty: No, setserial is a program. |
| 15:24.40 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: changing TERM is the problem here |
| 15:24.49 | acxty | ok |
| 15:25.23 | Unode-[work] | I need TERM=xterm-256color on konsole, but then when running screen on it I can't see bright colors |
| 15:25.29 | beardy | acxty: The package name is also setserial. |
| 15:26.16 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: if I detach and retach the same screen session on xterm it looks fine |
| 15:26.33 | gnewb | Where can I get a book or pdf :about Debian, I looked at Barnes and whatever and they did not have any, I do not have nor use credit cards so buying one online is out. |
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| 15:31.27 | cahoot | gnewb: already checked out debian.org? |
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| 15:32.25 | jelly-home | Unode-[work]: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/colors.png |
| 15:32.42 | gnewb | cahoot: Yes, was a redirect to Oriely and others that are online purchases. |
| 15:32.59 | jelly-home | Unode-[work]: the right one is inside screen |
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| 15:33.13 | stew | gnewb: http://debian.org/doc/user-manuals ? |
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| 15:33.24 | stew | gnewb: the reference is comprehensive |
| 15:33.25 | gnewb | stew: Thank you |
| 15:33.40 | cahoot | hmm |
| 15:33.48 | stew | gnewb: for dead tree, see: http://debian.org/doc/books ; however those are probably getting pretty out of date |
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| 15:33.51 | bbelt16ag | grr why can't I get phpadmin to open up |
| 15:34.02 | bbelt16ag | I can't sen get a .php file to open up in firefox WTH |
| 15:34.11 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:34.18 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: the export TERM=xterm-256color should be performed on konsole before running screen, was this what you performed on the right one? |
| 15:34.27 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 15:34.27 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
| 15:34.33 | liable | bbelt16ag: ^^ |
| 15:34.48 | bbelt16ag | sgrrr |
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| 15:35.02 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, its not hard, is a common problem |
| 15:35.13 | bbelt16ag | then how do I fix it |
| 15:35.15 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, just uncommen the lines where apache registers php files as index |
| 15:35.30 | ajavid | registers the minetype |
| 15:35.37 | bbelt16ag | ok. |
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| 15:35.39 | ajavid | liable told you |
| 15:35.42 | gnewb | cahoot: and Thank you |
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| 15:36.26 | Mikaze | Is it supposed to take more than 10 friggin hours to compile the latest kernel on a 686? |
| 15:36.37 | bbelt16ag | apache? |
| 15:36.59 | jelly-home | Unode-[work]: versions of possibly relevant packages: http://pastebin.com/f12b4ede3 |
| 15:36.59 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: can you also tell me what version of konsole you are running? |
| 15:37.04 | Unode-[work] | ok thanks |
| 15:37.10 | stew | Mikaze: why are you bothering to compile at all? |
| 15:37.28 | liable | jesus christ. kde4 has made sound a pain in the arse. some shit is always hogging my soundcard |
| 15:37.39 | jelly-home | Unode-[work]: ncurses-base has the terminfo definitions |
| 15:37.44 | Mikaze | Because Lenny doesn't support the latest SpeakUP screen reader for the blind. |
| 15:37.57 | Mikaze | Or much else. |
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| 15:38.46 | bbelt16ag | whew? |
| 15:38.52 | jelly-home | Mikaze: if you have decent memory size, no. If your kernel is lean enough and tailored for your machine it shouldn't take more than 5-30 minutes |
| 15:39.15 | ajavid | does selection buffer and middle buttonp paste work in gnome or gnome terminal? |
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| 15:39.35 | ajavid | nm |
| 15:39.56 | Unode-[work] | jelly-home: strange I have the same versions |
| 15:39.59 | hark | Mikaze: you dC[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[A[A[B[Bon't need to compile your kernel for that |
| 15:40.06 | Unode-[work] | but it doesn't work the same here |
| 15:40.12 | Mikaze | has a 686 with 1.25G RAM, but used "apt-src build" to compile |
| 15:40.43 | stew | Mikaze: oh, that would compile lots and lots of kernels, not just one |
| 15:40.52 | jelly-home | Mikaze: uh. that builds all the possible flavors |
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| 15:41.17 | jelly-home | Mikaze: and what 686 are we talking about? |
| 15:41.30 | stew | Mikaze: it would compile a 486 kernel a 686 kernel a 686-vserver kernel a 686-xen kernel a 686-vserver-xen kernel... |
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| 15:42.05 | stew | Mikaze: "/msg dpkg kp" for compiling just one kernel |
| 15:42.26 | Mikaze | jelly-home: It's a Celeron. 2MHz processor. |
| 15:42.31 | liable | grr, lsof or fuser doesnt tell me whats holding /dev/dsp |
| 15:42.31 | stew | Mikaze: or just install the speakup-modules-2.6-686 package for your debian kernel, or: |
| 15:42.41 | liable | this is retarded |
| 15:42.43 | stew | !m-a Mikaze speakup |
| 15:42.44 | dpkg | Mikaze: to compile and install speakup for your running kernel: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i speakup && modprobe speakup ; if this works echo speakup >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 15:43.14 | stew | liable: should you be looking at /dev/snd/* instead of /dev/dsp? |
| 15:43.17 | themill | dpkg: tell liable about list alsa users |
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| 15:44.05 | liable | stew: regardless, lsof should tell me whats hogging it, as catting something to it tells me its busy |
| 15:44.23 | cahoot | knotify? |
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| 15:44.31 | liable | killed already |
| 15:45.03 | Mikaze | Already have module assistant, but I can't get aptitude to get the 3.05 version of Speakup from the pool. For some reason, "aptitude install speakup-modules/unstable" doesn't work like the man page says. |
| 15:45.40 | stew | liable: can't /dev/dsp be busy even if no process has it open, since some file could have the same hardware busy by having some file in /dev/snd/* open? |
| 15:45.57 | hark | Mikaze: install speakup-source instead |
| 15:46.02 | stew | Mikaze: show us the output of "apt-cache policy speakup-modules" |
| 15:46.05 | liable | stew: hmm, not sure |
| 15:46.10 | cahoot | liable: tried fuser as root? |
| 15:46.18 | liable | yep |
| 15:46.24 | stew | Mikaze: yeah, what he said, you want speakup-source |
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| 15:46.46 | hark | Mikaze: then run the m-a command |
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| 15:47.44 | hark | liable: just do an alsa force-reload |
| 15:48.13 | themill | and find out what gets killed |
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| 15:48.45 | liable | i think its flash from an old page. gonna kill the weasel |
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| 15:49.23 | pandator | Hello. When will kismet-newcore come to debian? Who should I talk to for it? |
| 15:50.15 | liable | it was, why doesnt fuser/lsof show that? |
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| 15:51.47 | hark | liable: did you try lsof /dev/snd/* or just with /dev/dsp? |
| 15:52.54 | liable | hark: i did /dev/snd/* in the end, shouldnt /dev/dsp show it as well if its shown as being busy? |
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| 15:53.40 | bbelt16ag | quick question... |
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| 15:54.00 | bbelt16ag | how do I get mysql server to allow remote connections again know there is some quick lit option just forgot what is |
| 15:55.07 | acemi | /etc/mysql/my.cnf bind-address = 0.0.0.0 |
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| 15:57.52 | jelly-home | 9 |
| 15:58.16 | Unode-[work] | 8 |
| 15:58.24 | liable | number nine .. number nine .. number nine .. |
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| 15:59.43 | hark | liable: /dev/dsp is mainly used by OSS apps, i don't even have it here. it's deprecated afaik |
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| 16:01.08 | liable | hark: its still used, load snd-pcm-oss and you'll get it. i'm surprised you dont have it ( i guess this install might be old enough for it to be in a deprecated modprobe.d file though) |
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| 16:04.24 | liable | the point is though, that kde4 seems to have broken sound. (even though it was the weasel hogging it in this last instance) I still need to keep killing knotify4 |
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| 16:05.52 | bjsnider | i'm trying to build a package here and dh_installdirs isn't picking up the directories in the package.dirs file |
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| 16:06.31 | liable | recheck for typos |
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| 16:07.42 | bjsnider | yeah, there are no typos |
| 16:08.09 | bjsnider | does the .dirs file have to be listed in the rules file or will it be picked up automatically? |
| 16:08.23 | hark | liable: yeah, i don't have any oss modules loaded... so no /dev/audio /dev/dsp /dev/mixer etc :) |
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| 16:10.27 | Mikaze | considers porting to Gentoo rather than going back to unstable for another two years and fighting to keep essential packages from being removed. |
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| 16:12.20 | stew | Mikaze: why would you go to unstable at all? |
| 16:12.25 | leejongwook | QUESTION : http://pastebin.com/d488df6dc |
| 16:12.59 | abrotman | leejongwook: have you tried logging in/out ? |
| 16:13.00 | stew | leejongwook: have you logged out and logged back in? |
| 16:13.06 | leejongwook | no :) |
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| 16:13.14 | leejongwook | thanks :) |
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| 16:15.08 | leejongwook | thanks :) i solved the problem :) thanks you :) ~~~ |
| 16:15.28 | leejongwook | :) hehehe.. thanks.. |
| 16:15.35 | Mikaze | Because my scanner still doesn't work, except on all other distros. because my envelope half of my printer still doesn't work, except on all other distros. Because the orca screen reader is a piece of junk still. Because my Sony DVD writer still can't write. because the edbrowse web browser's last update was in April of last year...shal I go on? |
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| 16:18.38 | gnewb | Mikaze: Are you using SANE? |
| 16:18.56 | Mikaze | gnewb: yes. |
| 16:20.08 | Mikaze | Bought a refurbished Scanjet because the sane website said it was well supported. Not in Debian, tho. |
| 16:20.19 | mosgra` | can someone tell me which system component puts out the message "ACPI: DMI Bios year=0; assuming ACPI capable machine" on startup? |
| 16:20.38 | cahoot | kernel? |
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| 16:22.05 | mosgra` | is there a way to make it silent on boot? |
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| 16:22.57 | gnewb | Mikaze: What company makes the scanner? |
| 16:23.19 | Mikaze | gnewb: Hewlett Packard. |
| 16:24.32 | gnewb | Mikaze: from the Debian sane-backends projects page: Comment: This backend can't be added to the SANE distribution because it consists of binary-only code |
| 16:25.02 | gnewb | Mikaze: http://www.sane-project.org/lists/sane-backends-external.html |
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| 16:26.41 | gnewb | Mikaze: Have you tried espeak or something like that as a screen reader? |
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| 16:28.38 | Mikaze | gnewb: In the sane hardware list, it rates my scanner as "good," but Lenny froze the sane version before before then I guess. |
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| 16:28.53 | MmikeDOMA | Is there a way to force iostat to show just disk devices, not partitions on those devices? |
| 16:29.20 | y7 | can anybody tell me what this means and what i should do about it plz? http://pastebin.com/m22530cd |
| 16:29.52 | gnewb | Mikaze: Which # is it? |
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| 16:32.37 | x4d_ | I have a question about backing up files. And which method would be the most effective. I have a mac and a debian server. I am thinking about putting all my files on the server so I can access them through SSH where ever I need them. Up until now I have been using Time Machine to back up to a USB drive. Is there a similar way in Debian to do this?. I've looked at back in time but I have a minimal installation on the server and prefer to keep it that way without us |
| 16:32.39 | karme | is syslog-ng upstream dead? |
| 16:34.28 | ``y7 | can anybody tell me what this means and what i should do about it plz? http://pastebin.com/m22530cd |
| 16:34.58 | karme | other good syslog alternatives that support advanced filtering? |
| 16:36.59 | gnewb | x4d: There are many packages for that, I like HUB and others , there are command line or terminal things to do that, I use bzip thing to compress them and save on CD-R or just go straight and save on DVD-R. |
| 16:37.03 | teratoma | rysslog not good enough for you ? |
| 16:37.06 | teratoma | rsyslog |
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| 16:37.46 | karme | teratoma: will take a look at it - thanks (popcon suggests it is widely used) |
| 16:38.19 | teratoma | karme: that's because that is the default logger for new installs of lenny |
| 16:38.37 | karme | teratoma: hmm - strange - wasn't for me? |
| 16:38.59 | teratoma | did you upgrade from etch ? |
| 16:39.17 | karme | teratoma: no - but had testing some time ... maybe this was changed later? |
| 16:39.34 | teratoma | yes. that is why i typed in 'new installs of lenny' |
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| 16:40.58 | gnewb | x4d: http://directory.fsf.org/search/?query=backup <<<there are the many packages, it can also be done in TUI though. |
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| 16:42.35 | cobra-the-joker | is debian better than ubuntu ? |
| 16:43.17 | fmr | ahahah |
| 16:44.10 | cobra-the-joker | i am a programmer and a web developer ...people told me at first about linux ( no viruses and more secure and all that stuff ) |
| 16:44.15 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: you're in #debian, what do you think we will answer ? |
| 16:44.27 | x4d_ | gnewb: thanks, I will take a look at your suggestions |
| 16:44.36 | wooj | abrotman, I'm gonna recommend he use Gentoo, of course ;) |
| 16:44.38 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
| 16:45.15 | gnewb | x4d: My pleasure, /msg dpkg and ask about backups, is kinda funny |
| 16:45.23 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: ultimately, it will depend on your technical level, and how well you learn |
| 16:45.26 | abrotman | and if you want to learn |
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| 16:46.03 | solarwar | anyway to get the configuration file of the kernel of a specific debian release? |
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| 16:46.27 | fmr | cobra-the-joker: if you are a beginner try first ubuntu i think |
| 16:46.31 | abrotman | solarwar: look in /boot/ |
| 16:46.44 | cobra-the-joker | thats what i did ...but i am having some problems here |
| 16:46.46 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: if you're a beginner, debian can work for you (regardless of what others say) |
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| 16:46.50 | fmr | cobra-the-joker: when you've get some skills try debian :) |
| 16:47.07 | abrotman | why? |
| 16:47.09 | abrotman | debian is easy! |
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| 16:47.22 | fmr | for users that read manuals xD |
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| 16:47.40 | cobra-the-joker | i think that linux is easy ... in some parts easier than windows |
| 16:47.44 | abrotman | fmr: that's not true .. most things work just the same .. if you don't like debian, go to #ubuntu |
| 16:48.01 | gnewb | Ubuntu is and was a great intro to Linux system, I applaud the effort of Canonical, LUGs are at 1% mark now. |
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| 16:48.12 | fmr | abrotman: oO i use debian and love it |
| 16:48.14 | JoshH | debian gives you an easy to use gnome just like ubuntu |
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| 16:48.20 | abrotman | do you? doesn't seem that way |
| 16:48.21 | wicket | As long as you get into gnome, i dont see why debian would be any more difficult? If you get some hardware problems, it's just as difficult in ubuntu. |
| 16:48.23 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 16:48.31 | ranix | whatever |
| 16:48.32 | LuciusMare | how can i remove an user from a group? |
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| 16:48.45 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman ..... can i install debian over ubuntu without formating :D |
| 16:48.54 | abrotman | !tell cobra-the-joker about debootstrap |
| 16:49.09 | abrotman | though i'd probably format |
| 16:49.39 | ranix | !debian-policy |
| 16:49.39 | abrotman | !policy |
| 16:49.39 | dpkg | [policy] available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 16:49.48 | ranix | ^ this is !why not ubuntu |
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| 16:49.57 | abrotman | i think you want |
| 16:49.59 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 16:50.00 | dpkg | i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 16:50.06 | ranix | if you have to ask why not ubuntu, check these links |
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| 16:51.26 | cobra-the-joker | ok ...thanx ... i will install debian right now |
| 16:51.31 | fmr | ) |
| 16:51.33 | fmr | :) |
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| 16:51.55 | cobra-the-joker | i will bother you more when i get to install apache >:) |
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| 16:52.17 | gnewb | LuciusMare: Have you used adduser GROUP man? |
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| 16:53.52 | anddam | hello |
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| 16:54.07 | sylarr | DBus.Error.AccessDenied on usb pendrive? |
| 16:54.09 | anddam | I'm reading the aptitude reference manual and I can't get the short form of ?and() |
| 16:54.14 | LuciusMare | gnewb: i used adduser someuser group |
| 16:54.22 | sylarr | anyone know this one? |
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| 16:55.29 | gnewb | LuciusMare: The bot /msg dpkg told me to read the adduser man page. |
| 16:55.46 | anddam | the Search Term Reference says that short form for ?and(pattern1, pattern2) is pattern1 pattern2 but actual test shows that the latter is an or as it gives hundreds results |
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| 16:57.03 | LuciusMare | gnewb: i just see only ADDing user,not removing |
| 16:57.19 | hjb | anyone knows something similiar to archivemail or imapfilter that supports the IMAP THREAD extension? |
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| 16:57.57 | dustybin | will this tunnel port 5901 on the remote server to my localhost: ssh -D localhost:5901 remote@server.org |
| 16:58.51 | LuciusMare | yep,i can not see anything about removing |
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| 16:59.43 | solarwar | abrotman, thanks! |
| 16:59.48 | abrotman | for what? |
| 17:00.02 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 17:00.41 | hjb | dustybin: no, try ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 remote@server.org |
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| 17:01.20 | deadbeef | hi guys excuseme, is this normal: |
| 17:01.22 | deadbeef | $ svn checkout http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/spamassassin/trunk spamassassin-trunk |
| 17:01.25 | deadbeef | svn: OPTIONS di 'http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/spamassassin/trunk': non ho potuto connettermi al server (http://svn.apache.org) |
| 17:01.33 | deadbeef | i get this for every svn repo |
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| 17:01.48 | deadbeef | any idea? |
| 17:01.49 | hjb | deadbeef: would you mind running that command with LC_ALL=C before? |
| 17:01.50 | nkuttler | !tell deadbeef about localized errors |
| 17:01.54 | gnewb | LuciusMare: Maybe this one: Dynamically allocated user accounts. By default adduser will choose UIDs and GIDs for user accounts in this range, though adduser.conf may be used to modify this behavior. |
| 17:02.08 | LuciusMare | ? |
| 17:02.12 | gnewb | whoops |
| 17:02.23 | dustybin | hjb: thanks |
| 17:02.25 | deadbeef | hjb: same stuff |
| 17:02.27 | gnewb | LuciusMare: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
| 17:02.30 | deadbeef | $ LC_ALL=C svn checkout http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/spamassassin/trunk spamassassin-trunk |
| 17:02.33 | deadbeef | svn: OPTIONS of 'http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/spamassassin/trunk': could not connect to server (http://svn.apache.org) |
| 17:03.09 | hjb | deadbeef: there's no repos at that address |
| 17:03.25 | deadbeef | hjb: there is |
| 17:03.27 | hjb | deadbeef: try opening it with your $browser and you'll see ;) |
| 17:03.30 | anddam | stew: you there? |
| 17:03.54 | deadbeef | hjb: i can open it |
| 17:03.58 | deadbeef | in my browser |
| 17:04.03 | gnewb | LuciusMare: I guess it is a GID .conf thing, I am relearning all this stuff again. |
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| 17:04.14 | deadbeef | that's why i say svn on squeeze and sid is screwed up |
| 17:04.38 | hjb | deadbeef: hmmpf, now i can open it, too |
| 17:04.48 | valdyn | deadbeef: its ok on my sid |
| 17:05.04 | deadbeef | valdyn: i'm using squeeze now, on another box with sid i've the very same problem |
| 17:05.13 | deadbeef | if i strace the svn command, i get this error |
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| 17:05.20 | stew | anddam: yes? |
| 17:05.25 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 17:05.39 | deadbeef | socket(PF_INET, 0x80001 /* SOCK_??? */, IPPROTO_TCP) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 17:05.45 | anddam | stew: well "yes?" is a weird answer, you'd either be there or not :-) |
| 17:05.45 | deadbeef | i think that's the cause |
| 17:05.51 | themill | deadbeef: check the BTS |
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| 17:05.57 | deadbeef | themill: wut? |
| 17:06.06 | themill | dpkg: tell deadbeef about bts |
| 17:06.13 | comm | Where would I report a possible bug in debian exim packages? |
| 17:06.17 | anddam | stew: you suggested me smartmontools, I've installed it and ran a --all it said that a test was never performed |
| 17:06.31 | anddam | stew: I launched it and it'll take an hour |
| 17:06.57 | stew | anddam: i dunno |
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| 17:07.06 | themill | !dbugs 531338 |
| 17:07.09 | anddam | stew: one of the two error I pasted is reported as normal activity from smartctl, it's an interrupt to stop smart monitoring, maybe because smart support is disabled in bios |
| 17:07.10 | dpkg | DONE:#531338:N[subversion] svn: OPTIONS of 'http://...': could not connect to server (http://...) (); Sun, 31 May 2009 17:27:01 UTC [] |
| 17:07.13 | themill | deadbeef: ^^ |
| 17:07.15 | anddam | stew: just to let you know :-) |
| 17:07.30 | deadbeef | themill: thanks a lot |
| 17:07.42 | themill | deadbeef: welcome to testing. |
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| 17:07.48 | deadbeef | lol :D |
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| 17:08.09 | gnewb | I thank you all kindly. |
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| 17:08.35 | deadbeef | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.35 | deadbeef | slipped into testing even if I have uploaded v0.28.4-2. Please update |
| 17:08.35 | deadbeef | that package only from unstable and subversion will be fine. |
| 17:08.41 | deadbeef | here we go |
| 17:08.44 | deadbeef | themill: thanks again |
| 17:09.13 | deadbeef | wow there's also a workaround |
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| 17:14.20 | earthian | Hello, I am not getting changes list with gnome update manager as in http://testbed.g3r.org/Screenshot-Update%20Manager.png. All I get is "Downloading list of changes..." all the time. Does anybody know anything about this? |
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| 17:15.38 | lexande | i have some custom keyboard settings set with setxkbmap in my .xsession. in some recent apt-get upgrade (i am running sid), gtk apps started ignoring the custom settings and assuming i had a default us keymap with no compose or lvl3 key |
| 17:15.50 | lexande | all non-gtk apps still work correctly |
| 17:16.36 | lexande | how do i work out which package to report a bug for? |
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| 17:24.28 | mesut | hi,ive lenny running in a couple of servers, doing update frequently. i noticed it is upgrading kernel some of those updates (ie once a week), but the kernel version is exactly same as running one. |
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| 17:24.40 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 17:24.40 | dpkg | hmm... dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
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| 17:25.13 | stew | mesut: you are confusing the package name with the version of the package |
| 17:25.27 | greycat | You should reboot after a kernel update, but in a stable release, the kernel's visible (via uname) version string usually stays the same. |
| 17:25.52 | stew | mesut: you were getting an upgrade with a newer version of a pacakge with the same name. in this case the name happens to also contain some other version number |
| 17:25.54 | mesut | i always reboot after a kernel update |
| 17:26.23 | mesut | i see |
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| 17:27.00 | themill | greycat: except when there's an ABI change and you need to recompile any out-of-tree modules |
| 17:28.18 | mesut | stew, greycat : i upgraded one of them, didnt touch others, (did a reboot after upgrading), both of them gives exact same output on uname -a |
| 17:28.22 | bpgoldsb | If I want to add some rules/tables to linux's routing database at boot, where's the best place to do that? |
| 17:28.38 | mesut | stew, greycat : 2.6.26.2-amd64 |
| 17:28.48 | themill | mesut: .2 or -2? |
| 17:28.53 | stew | mesut: do you have one that isn't yet upgraded? |
| 17:28.57 | bpgoldsb | I think I'm looking for a hook into 'do this before starting networking' |
| 17:28.57 | mesut | -2 yes |
| 17:29.03 | mesut | stew yes |
| 17:29.35 | stew | mesut: run "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64" and you'll see that "Candidate:" shows a newer version of this package than "Installed:" |
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| 17:30.26 | wald0 | \amethyst: do you know the reason ? |
| 17:31.00 | greycat | wald0 is wondering why Debian now uses /etc/default/locale instead of /etc/environment |
| 17:31.13 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: there are pre-up options for networking |
| 17:31.35 | mesut | stew, that helped thanks. one is 2.6.26-15lenny3 and others are 2.6.26-15lenny2 |
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| 17:32.13 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, those are per-interface, I want to do this pre-everything |
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| 17:33.15 | mesut | stew what i understand is, it is exact same kernel version,but has different patches applied by debian team, does that sounds OK ? |
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| 17:34.03 | stew | mesut: not necessarily, it could be you are moving from kernel version 2.6.26.1 to 2.6.26.2, but the fact that we aren't changing the package name means that this change doesn't affect the ABI |
| 17:34.22 | jelly-home | wald0: to disconnect locale (usually managed by debhelper) from generic environment vars (managed manually when needed)? |
| 17:34.27 | solarwar | is it possible to tell which package is on what debian install cd? |
| 17:34.29 | stew | mesut: we omit this last part of the upstream kernel version so that we can do this, when the ABI doesn't change, so that you don't have to recompile out of tree modules |
| 17:34.40 | stew | solarwar: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 17:35.05 | mesut | it is all clear now. thanks stew. now g2g cya |
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| 17:35.15 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: that'll only work if none of your interfaces are going to change the route |
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| 17:36.05 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, I'm not talking about adding routes themselves, I'm talking about adding the rules for the tables the routes will go in. i.e. 'ip rule add to all priority N table foo' |
| 17:36.06 | forces | what happen with the testing image? |
| 17:37.00 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: i'd guess to make your own script and call it before the networking stuff gets started then |
| 17:37.19 | bpgoldsb | Ya, will do. I was mostly seeing if there was already a way |
| 17:37.33 | prophet | why is fping AN UNTRUSTED PACKAGAGE |
| 17:37.35 | prophet | WHY |
| 17:37.59 | abrotman | prophet: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:38.19 | stew | prophet: the key being used to sign the archive recently changed, you don't have the most recent key in apt-key yet |
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| 17:38.31 | prophet | sick |
| 17:38.41 | prophet | why did it changew |
| 17:38.42 | stew | no, healthy |
| 17:38.52 | forces | anyone knows why testing image was delete? |
| 17:39.01 | stew | prophet: we change the key with each release |
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| 17:39.12 | stew | forces: what image? |
| 17:39.22 | forces | all |
| 17:39.28 | forces | i386, amd64 |
| 17:39.35 | forces | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 17:40.23 | ranamalo | judd: pciid 03f0:3917 |
| 17:40.23 | judd | ranamalo: [03f0:3917] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=03f0:3917 |
| 17:40.54 | stew | forces: i'd check http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot or http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd |
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| 17:41.55 | prophet | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:41.58 | prophet | does not work |
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| 17:42.13 | stew | prophet: run "apt-get update" afterwards |
| 17:42.21 | prophet | afterwardws |
| 17:42.25 | prophet | i need to run it now |
| 17:42.50 | prophet | god im so mad now |
| 17:42.55 | prophet | unrelated to this |
| 17:43.00 | stew | prophet: ok, what do you mean by "does not work"? |
| 17:43.22 | Shadowcat | !does not work |
| 17:43.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 17:44.04 | prophet | stew: .. i ran apt-get update and from then on, as in right now, i have the latest key according to apt-get instal debian-archive-keyring |
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| 17:44.25 | prophet | 17:38 < abrotman> prophet: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:44.29 | prophet | see that |
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| 17:45.02 | stew | prophet: sounds good |
| 17:45.11 | Muffin | Good morning, #debian. I'm getting an error on apt-get update: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net testing/security-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1201817096 KEYEXPIRED 1201817096 KEYEXPIRED 1201817096 ...the problem is that that's not a key. It looks more like a timestamp or something, but I can't gpg --recv-keys it. Any suggestion? |
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| 17:45.38 | stew | Muffin: the testing security repository moved a few years ago, see /msg dpkg testing security |
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| 17:46.47 | Muffin | stew: ...YEARS ago? Criminy. Thanks. |
| 17:46.55 | themill | Muffin: there's also currently no testing-security provided. If you want security updates, use stable. |
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| 17:47.04 | prophet | i have 40 tasks runnning on my server. |
| 17:47.11 | prophet | 131 on my netbook running debian |
| 17:47.33 | prophet | and 135 on this ubuntu |
| 17:47.46 | prophet | hm. debian ran a lot fewer tasks a few hours ago |
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| 17:48.19 | Muffin | themill: Thanks also. |
| 17:48.33 | Muffin | stew, themill: Yes, changing in a manner suggested by the dpkg bot fixed the problem. Many thanks. |
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| 17:50.38 | JW | Is it possible to setup a software RAID 1 volume during install for the sytem partitions (including /boot), or do you ahve to put the system on a single physical driver's partitions and use software raid for other parts of the system? |
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| 17:52.39 | pauljr | I'd like to change the color of the "hide" buttons on the deskbar, I like that I could take the arrows off them, though I don't know how to change them from the default color. |
| 17:52.58 | karme | JW: i think it is - you might have to take care with the boot loader - i think the installer still suggests lilo in that case - but grub2 should work fine |
| 17:53.50 | JW | karme: when using software RAID 1 (mirroring), if one drive dies, can you replace the dead drive with a new one and have it rebuild like on a hardware raid controller? |
| 17:54.48 | karme | JW: yes, that's the point |
| 17:54.51 | LuciusMare | loves ssh |
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| 17:55.09 | JW | the point of RAID 1, yes, but I'm not familiar with software raid - being forced to use it and I'm nervous |
| 17:55.29 | karme | JW: :-) |
| 17:56.05 | karme | JW: you plan to use lenny right? |
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| 17:56.17 | JW | certainly, yes, lenny i386 |
| 17:56.23 | karme | JW: ok |
| 17:56.54 | JW | on a dell PE SC1425. We bought it "with raid" and only later found out that's it's not a real hardware RAID controller, it's a win-raid :-( |
| 17:57.23 | karme | JW: i recently had many problems with hardware raid controllers => i now prefer software raid |
| 17:57.29 | dondelelcaro | JW: yeah, it'll work just fine. The main issue you run into is that a lot of the backplanes aren't hot-swappable, and so you'll have to bring the machine down to swap drives |
| 17:57.48 | JW | I've used SCSI hardware raid on Dell PE's for years and I absolutely love them, they're glorious |
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| 17:58.30 | JW | yeah I figure I'll have to bring them down - I'll have to anyway to access the drives, they're not in swappable trays - but it's no problem, it's a backup server |
| 17:58.35 | dondelelcaro | the main issue with hardware controllers is that the on-disk storage format is often not well docmented |
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| 17:59.02 | rgravener | so i got a big problem it seams. i type tzselect and then it says /usr/bin/tzselect: time zone files are not set up correctly. i then do apt-get install tzdata and then debian says it wants to remove apache2! i don't know what happened |
| 17:59.12 | Supavisah | I'm at the installation point where it asks for software selection, I want to run a webserver, would I need to include DNS server, mail server and file server? |
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| 18:00.50 | JW | Supavisah: just install the minium during the install, and when you're done, use apt-get to install the extra packages you need like apache |
| 18:00.59 | JW | (or whatever) |
| 18:01.06 | Supavisah | okay and the minimum would be? |
| 18:01.14 | Supavisah | "standard system" |
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| 18:01.33 | greycat | "standard" is probably a lot of stuff you won't actually use, but it wouldn't be a bad starting point. |
| 18:01.54 | Supavisah | what does standard system include? |
| 18:02.11 | JW | everything you need to boot a system and log in :-) |
| 18:02.15 | JW | and use a network |
| 18:02.25 | JW | ( ssh ) |
| 18:02.35 | Supavisah | that's all I need. |
| 18:02.48 | greycat | I thought standard was more than that. |
| 18:02.53 | stew | Supavisah: everything marked as Priority: standard|important|required |
| 18:03.18 | Supavisah | let me put it like this, if I don't include the standard system, how many packages would I have to install to get apache working? |
| 18:03.34 | rgravener | if anyone can help that would be great, but if you can't i see |
| 18:03.35 | JW | greycat: like what? I'm not an expert on what the slections contain, but generally it's minimal |
| 18:04.00 | greycat | Me either, but in past releases of Debian I remember getting shackled with things like emacs when choosing all the defaults. |
| 18:04.02 | stew | there are definately things in standard that people wouldn't use, like python, telnet, w3m, wamerican. there are definately things in standard that people would expect ot have though, liek at, file, ftp, telnet locales |
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| 18:04.14 | greycat | So, after that, I always just choose a bare minimum base system. |
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| 18:04.33 | JW | rgravener: I have a feeling the fact that apt wants to remove apache is left over from some previous apt transacation |
| 18:04.49 | greycat | JW: if you have apache 1.x installed, lenny won't like it. |
| 18:04.54 | rgravener | but i need apache |
| 18:05.01 | greycat | Lenny has apache 2.2. |
| 18:05.09 | JW | rgravener: did you previously have some *other* package installed that pulled apache in as a dependancy |
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| 18:05.23 | rgravener | i tried installing php5 and certain libs didn't install |
| 18:05.25 | rgravener | they had errors |
| 18:05.26 | JW | greycat: whatever, I'm not talking about 1x vs 2x |
| 18:05.36 | rgravener | and somehow if igured out my timezone stuff was screwed up |
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| 18:05.50 | Supavisah | so.. standard system or not? :P |
| 18:06.05 | greycat | try it and see. |
| 18:06.05 | JW | rgravener: right, so now it thinks that apache weas pulled in as a dependancy and since it's "no longer needed" it wants to remove it "for you" |
| 18:06.12 | greycat | You can always remove or add stuff. |
| 18:06.14 | JW | Supavisah: yes, yes do it |
| 18:06.23 | Supavisah | JW, you dont' sound convincing. |
| 18:06.27 | JW | Supavisah: you can easily add and take away later |
| 18:06.34 | Supavisah | okay what about the web server? |
| 18:06.46 | JW | Supavisah: for that matter it only takes 30 minutes - if you don't like it, go back and try again |
| 18:06.54 | Supavisah | it took like an hour for me. |
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| 18:07.09 | JW | Supavisah: just do the Std selectino now and install your web-server-package-of-choice later |
| 18:07.18 | JW | *selection |
| 18:07.25 | JW | rgravener: did you understand what I was saying? |
| 18:07.36 | Supavisah | okay. |
| 18:07.41 | rgravener | yea |
| 18:07.45 | solarwar | where can i find the source file of a particular debian package? I would like to find the source files for the kernel that is installed in sarge: 2.4.27-3 |
| 18:07.54 | lexande | is there a better place to ask why all gtk apps have started ignoring setxkbmap? |
| 18:07.55 | rgravener | JW, i'm just worried i will be without apache |
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| 18:08.39 | JW | rgravener: do you have a custom config you're worried about losing? |
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| 18:08.47 | JW | Or are you just worried about losing the "package"? |
| 18:08.49 | rgravener | yea, i have nagios on this box |
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| 18:08.54 | rgravener | http://pastie.org/499406 |
| 18:08.59 | JW | oh, hmm. |
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| 18:09.19 | JW | there's a way to change the selection state in dpkg/dselect but I'm not familiar with that |
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| 18:09.47 | JW | dondelelcaro: how can rgravener change apache's package state in dselect to "install" (as in, keep) I think it's current set to deinstall |
| 18:09.55 | JW | *currently |
| 18:10.42 | JW | rgravener: apache or apache2? |
| 18:11.00 | rgravener | apache2 |
| 18:11.02 | JW | 2, never mind |
| 18:11.16 | rgravener | Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) |
| 18:11.26 | JW | rgravener: please show me the output of this: dpkg --get-selections | grep apache2 |
| 18:11.44 | JW | rgravener: if it's multi-line you can /msg me if you don't want to fiddle with a pastebin |
| 18:11.55 | rgravener | apache2install |
| 18:11.55 | rgravener | apache2-mpm-preforkinstall |
| 18:11.55 | rgravener | apache2-utilsinstall |
| 18:11.55 | rgravener | apache2.2-commoninstall |
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| 18:12.29 | twisted` | anyone in here did a LPI exam? |
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| 18:13.03 | abrotman | i failed |
| 18:13.08 | rgravener | whoops |
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| 18:13.16 | rgravener | colloquy multi line fail |
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| 18:25.48 | Sabrinchen | Nabend, welches virtualisierungsprog. empfhelt ihr? |
| 18:26.02 | cahoot | !de |
| 18:26.02 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 18:26.19 | Sabrinchen | iams orry |
| 18:26.28 | LuciusMare | anyone here with installed e17? |
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| 18:27.44 | jpinx | is there a multi-protocol command-line client for irc/jabber/yahoo/etc ? Aptitude search has only things that do one protocol. |
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| 18:28.57 | teratoma | jpinx: naim? maybe. I run all of that in bitlbee |
| 18:28.58 | sphenxes03 | My external hard drive has fallen on the floor (my son). It looks like it is working fine. How can I check if there any demage to done to the hard drive? Is reformatting is enough? or what should i do? |
| 18:29.50 | jpinx | teratoma: thanks but naim only does AOL and IRC |
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| 18:30.20 | teratoma | jpinx: run bitlbee |
| 18:30.22 | Sabrinchen | Can someone install a virtualizing System, f.e Hypervm, for money? |
| 18:30.49 | ula | do you think nvidia will ever release an open/closed driver for the ION anytime soon |
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| 18:32.27 | cahoot | ever - anytime -soon - which? |
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| 18:33.09 | ula | preferably soon i guess |
| 18:34.04 | ula | based on nvidia's history, how does it look |
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| 18:34.48 | jpinx | teratoma: ok - installing now - will report ;) thanks :) |
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| 18:35.08 | teratoma | jpinx: you install bitlbee. you run bitlbee. THEN you run a command line irc client, like irssi |
| 18:35.38 | LuciusMare | how can i install e17? |
| 18:35.41 | jpinx | teratoma: ok - what about yahoo IM ? |
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| 18:35.59 | teratoma | jpinx: bitlbee does just about every protocol you can think of. Yahoo IM too. |
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| 18:37.18 | jpinx | teratoma: cool - thanks - working on it now :) |
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| 18:37.38 | JW | Has anybody here ever used software RAID 1 *and* had one of the two disks die? |
| 18:37.59 | JW | If so - were you able to continue using the system smoothly? |
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| 18:38.27 | teratoma | sure ! replace disk, rebuild RAID. hope your /boot isnt on it though. |
| 18:38.38 | JW | teratoma: it is :-( |
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| 18:39.14 | JW | teratoma: why do you say that? The Debian installer guide says /boot will be OK for most bootloaders on RAID 1 (only 1) |
| 18:39.23 | JW | at least if I understand it right |
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| 18:39.38 | JW | "In general it will be necessary to create a separate file system for /boot when using RAID for the root (/) file system. Most boot loaders (including lilo and grub) do support mirrored (not striped!) RAID1, so using for example RAID5 for / and RAID1 for /boot can be an option. " |
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| 18:40.15 | teratoma | did you go through all of the fun stuff you need to do to create workable mirrored /boot readable by grub , before your drive failed ? |
| 18:41.03 | JW | teratoma: my drive has not failed, I'm just now setting up (installing) the machien for the first time. |
| 18:41.17 | JW | what "fun stuff you need to do to create workable mirrored /boot readable by grub" are you talkign about? |
| 18:42.58 | JW | teratoma: what things do I need to do? |
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| 18:43.11 | teratoma | JW: http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch |
| 18:43.11 | Qew | sphenxes03: what filesytems does this external disc use? fsck.ext3 -c -D -f -P -v /dev/sda1 (example for ext3) should be thorough enough. Find out what device and partition you want to fsck and make sure it's unmounted first. |
| 18:43.57 | sphenxes03 | qew, thanks, it is ext3 |
| 18:44.00 | teratoma | JW: I wish the Debian installer did software raid1 as easily as the Centos/Redhat installer, but it doesn't yet |
| 18:44.02 | Qew | sphenxes03: /dev/sda1 is an example... find out what device and partition it is before starting |
| 18:44.05 | LuciusMare | how can i install e17? |
| 18:44.17 | adb | !tell LuciusMare about e17 |
| 18:44.23 | JW | teratoma: but I just went through it and everythign went very smooth. |
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| 18:44.43 | JW | Only, I had to guess about what to do withthe swap partitions (the isntaller doesn't say, and the docs don't say - |
| 18:44.47 | teratoma | JW: Great ! now shut down your computer, disconnect a drive, see what happens |
| 18:44.54 | Qew | sphenxes03: not being rude, but if you need any other options, just look in man fsck.ext3 for more help. I need to make a move from the keyboard. Hopefully it's clean. |
| 18:44.55 | JW | :-( |
| 18:45.05 | teratoma | im serious |
| 18:45.14 | Qew | sphenxes03: I mean your HD... not my keyboard ;) |
| 18:45.17 | JW | I made them seperate partitions each physical drive cause I thought swap shouldn't be on a raid volume |
| 18:45.28 | JW | teratoma: I know you're serious, but you're saying you are sure it's going to fail, right? |
| 18:45.45 | teratoma | JW: no. I am dumb and I've never gotten it to work right. maybe you are smarter than i am. |
| 18:45.55 | JW | teratoma: anyway, the install is still installing packages (network install) so I can't reboot just yet |
| 18:46.18 | teratoma | i always get a sad GRUB prompt |
| 18:46.28 | LuciusMare | adb: thank you but that didnt solve my problem at all |
| 18:46.29 | JW | teratoma: well I will find out sometime today |
| 18:46.45 | Qew | sphenxes03: fsck.ext3 -c -D -f -P -v /dev/sda1 |
| 18:47.04 | Qew | sphenxes03: I mean fsck.ext3 -c -D -f -p -v /dev/sda1 (small p) |
| 18:47.06 | JW | teratoma: almost every guide I can find on the web, including the one you just gave me, has all this manual commandline stuff. Like almost as if you are doing the install from a recsue disk or an already-installed system |
| 18:47.11 | adb | LuciusMare: google than .. |
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| 18:47.40 | LuciusMare | adb: i did |
| 18:47.43 | JW | teratoma: I wanted to avoid all that so I see in the debian install guide that you can do it with the ncurses partitioner - so I'm just trying it, I hope it works |
| 18:48.07 | adb | LuciusMare: google harder |
| 18:48.16 | LuciusMare | i googled to the bone |
| 18:48.21 | JW | teratoma: http://debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition --- scroll down to the RAID section |
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| 18:48.47 | teratoma | JW: I have the same complaints. I really have never successfully gotten grub to boot reliably from software raid1 /boot partition after a drive has failed. I usually give up and go with hardware raid. |
| 18:49.04 | LuciusMare | hm,changing my question |
| 18:49.27 | JW | I get less impressed with google every day. More and more often when trying to solve problems I get many pages of archived newsgroup-mailing list postings from ancient days - early 2000's - talkinga bout Debian Sarge, SuSE 7, old red hat - it's irritating |
| 18:49.37 | LuciusMare | how can i install X? |
| 18:49.48 | greycat | apt-get install xorg |
| 18:49.54 | JW | teratoma: well if you will be around later today I will let you know how it goes |
| 18:49.54 | LuciusMare | i didnt install anything like gui at all |
| 18:49.59 | teratoma | JW: I solve that by adding '2009' to the google query |
| 18:50.02 | greycat | apt-get install xorg fvwm |
| 18:50.14 | greycat | or whatever you want. |
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| 18:50.31 | jelly-home | hm. Can one put comments in a grep -f file? |
| 18:50.57 | JW | jelly-home: I doubt it but try it and see :-) |
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| 18:51.32 | JW | Does anyone know how many GB of space I would need if I made my own network install mirror? |
| 18:51.52 | jelly-home | JW: how many architectures? What releases? |
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| 18:52.02 | JW | i386 only lenny |
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| 18:52.19 | JW | maybe abd64 too but probably not at this point |
| 18:52.24 | JW | er, amd64 |
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| 18:52.44 | jelly-home | JW: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 18:54.15 | JW | jelly-home: thanks |
| 18:54.17 | jelly-home | JW: you need "all" + your arch[s] |
| 18:54.30 | JW | ok |
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| 18:55.26 | JW | teratoma: installer rebooting now |
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| 18:55.38 | JW | teratoma: I'm scared ;-) |
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| 18:56.07 | adb | !encourage JM |
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| 18:56.19 | JW | teratoma: its booting! (with both drives) |
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| 18:56.33 | JW | so at least that much works. Ii'll try with one dirve in just a second |
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| 18:59.15 | JW | hmm. I tried to halt the machine and it said something like "Stopping MD 1 failed (busy) and the the power went off. Doesn't sound good. |
| 18:59.22 | renton_ | on my debian squeeze (upgraded from lenny) i keep on having these packages "kept back": gnome-accessibility gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 18:59.30 | renton_ | there is now way to fix it? |
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| 19:00.03 | greycat | Wait until a newer package is available in testing. |
| 19:00.29 | renton_ | oh ok |
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| 19:01.29 | renton_ | i still have a little doubt.. when i moved from lenny to squueze i changed my sources file, then i executed "dist-upgrade", but now i noticed that every time i see something "kept back" i have to "dist-upgrade", is ok what i've done? |
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| 19:02.08 | greycat | Testing is like this. |
| 19:02.27 | renton_ | oh ok. |
| 19:02.28 | greycat | It can take weeks/months for a key library to move from unstable to testing, then you get a flood of everything that was held up by it. |
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| 19:02.48 | renton_ | so it's ok to continue do "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 19:02.52 | renton_ | thanks |
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| 19:03.14 | abrotman | renton_: it's called full-upgrade now .. and you should probably be using aptitude |
| 19:03.18 | JW | Does the software MD raid volume need hows to build, like on a hardware contoller? every time I halt the system it tells me the MD device is busy |
| 19:03.25 | greycat | you can probably skip the "upgrade" step |
| 19:03.32 | greycat | guess it doesn't hurt though |
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| 19:03.42 | greycat | abrotman: bah. |
| 19:04.23 | renton_ | ok thanks |
| 19:04.49 | abrotman | greycat: i know your opinion .. but if you don't know better, aptitude is probably a better way to go |
| 19:05.21 | JW | teratoma: I'm gonna go for a while - if yu're still here in a few hours I"ll tell you if it worekd or not |
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| 19:06.39 | renton_ | why aptitude is better |
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| 19:08.43 | Computer | I configured /etc/network/interfaces with a static IP address for eth0. I did /etc/init.d/networking restart and it assumed the static IP address, but then later on reverted back to the other address it had with DHCP before configuring |
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| 19:09.30 | ZombieBoy | Computer: Maybe the Dhcp daemon is still running? |
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| 19:09.42 | jvdm | Computer: You should be aware of NetworkManager daemon aswell |
| 19:09.47 | Computer | yeah, it looks like dhclient3 is still running |
| 19:09.57 | Computer | is it going to run automatically next boot? |
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| 19:10.21 | ZombieBoy | Computer: It is not supposed to, unless something else is running it. |
| 19:10.30 | ZombieBoy | Check Networkmanager as jvdm said. |
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| 19:12.15 | Computer | I don't have a desktop environment, NetworkManager isn't something I want to use |
| 19:12.29 | renton_ | is there any package to automatically password-lock bash shell after long inactivity? |
| 19:12.40 | renton_ | it would be very useful for root shells left alone... |
| 19:12.42 | greycat | Do you mean an X session, or a console session? |
| 19:12.49 | renton_ | bash shells |
| 19:13.03 | greycat | If you literally mean "bash", then the answer is no. |
| 19:13.11 | greycat | I suspect that's not what you really mean. |
| 19:13.23 | renton_ | i mean i've a X session with a normal user |
| 19:13.43 | renton_ | in that X session i open a gnome terminal with bash shell and i su to root |
| 19:14.00 | renton_ | i wish that in the case i left inactive that bash root session, it would be password-locked |
| 19:14.05 | greycat | Then you want a screen locker for the X/GNOME session. |
| 19:14.13 | renton_ | not for X |
| 19:14.40 | renton_ | i don't want that my "non-root" session will be locked after 1 minute inactivity |
| 19:14.43 | greycat | There is no shell-level automatic locketr. |
| 19:14.54 | greycat | screen(1) might have one, or it might not, but bash DOES NOT. |
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| 19:15.17 | greycat | Use sudo so you never have a root shell lying around. |
| 19:15.18 | renton_ | but if i don't type anything on a root-shell open anywhere on my pc or on a remote system etc, i wish that after 1 minute it will be password locked |
| 19:15.31 | renton_ | i've sudo too |
| 19:15.35 | greycat | renton_: you keep asking for the impossible. I keep telling you it is impossible. I keep proposing alternatives. |
| 19:15.41 | greycat | You KEEP REPEATING THE ORIGINAL THING. |
| 19:15.45 | greycat | It's irritating. |
| 19:15.57 | renton_ | why is it impossible? |
| 19:16.09 | \amethyst | because bash does not do anything while it's waiting for user input |
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| 19:16.34 | \amethyst | and even if it did, if there is another program running in the foreground, bash wouldn't be able to lock the terminal |
| 19:16.42 | \amethyst | s/there is/there were/ |
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| 19:17.13 | renton_ | ok now it's impossibile, but, do you think it can be useful? |
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| 19:17.23 | \amethyst | renton_: you can run a program in the background that looks for idle root shells and kills them |
| 19:18.01 | \amethyst | for some definition of 'idle' |
| 19:18.09 | dondelelcaro | greycat, \amethyst, renton_: actually, you can set TMOUT in root's .bashrc which should do the trick. |
| 19:18.25 | dondelelcaro | (but I personally haven't tested it, because I find leaving root shells around to be rather stupid) |
| 19:18.26 | greycat | dondelelcaro: it will do a trick different from the one he asked for. |
| 19:18.46 | dondelelcaro | greycat: it'll log the shell out, which is password locked... |
| 19:18.51 | greycat | (It will cause his idle shell to exit, rather than running some sort of password-based screen locking program.) |
| 19:19.00 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:19.03 | ranix | he might have a less than competent sysadmin to deal with of a non-critical but still-annoying system |
| 19:19.05 | pickcoder | symantecs |
| 19:19.06 | bronaugh | screen'll lock terminal, won't it? |
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| 19:19.14 | ranix | it's potentially a valid question |
| 19:19.37 | ranix | unlikely valid but potentially valid |
| 19:19.38 | \amethyst | it still won't help if the shell is running a program in the foreground |
| 19:19.47 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: using idle, sure. |
| 19:20.34 | renton_ | well, i looked on TMOUT on the web and it's quite good, but i believe that using the same principle it could be possible to create something like a password-locking, but i will not insist :) |
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| 19:20.56 | renton_ | dondelelcaro: thank you for the hint |
| 19:20.59 | lvh | hi |
| 19:21.11 | renton_ | dondelelcaro: i experiment it right now :) |
| 19:21.20 | lvh | normal xterm has 256 colors. utf-8 xterm has 8 bit color. How can I fix that? |
| 19:21.25 | \amethyst | renton_: it could be if you modified bash... but still it would only work if they left the shell sitting at a prompt |
| 19:21.50 | dondelelcaro | I suppose you could make it work even if you didn't, but it'd be insanely fragile |
| 19:21.55 | ranix | lvh: are you running the utf-8 xterm with uxterm? |
| 19:21.59 | jelly-home | lvh: uh... 8bit IS 256. |
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| 19:24.00 | lvh | jelly-home: sorry, I meant 8 *colors*, not 8 bit |
| 19:24.12 | nickgrey147 | does anyone else use amarok in gnome ? and does it start super slowly ? |
| 19:24.23 | lvh | ranix: just 'xterm' gets me 256 colors, 'xterm -u8' has working unicode but only 8 colors. |
| 19:24.53 | macrobat | why amarok in gnome? |
| 19:24.54 | earthian | Hello, I am not getting changes list with gnome update manager as in http://testbed.g3r.org/Screenshot-Update%20Manager.png. All I get is "Downloading list of changes..." all the time. Why it does not get the changes list anymore? What could be the cause? Any ideas? |
| 19:24.59 | ranix | lvh: what happens if you use 'uxterm' rather than xterm -u8 |
| 19:25.13 | lvh | ranix: same as xterm -u8 |
| 19:25.19 | nickgrey147 | macrobat: i realy like amarok |
| 19:25.38 | greycat | Normal color xterm is only 8 colors. |
| 19:25.47 | lvh | ranix: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/120875/ |
| 19:25.57 | lvh | greycat: Yep. I'd like it to be 256, though. |
| 19:26.10 | \amethyst | lvh: is $TERM the same in both cases? |
| 19:26.12 | lvh | greycat: Which works in non-utf-8 xterm, but not in unicode xterm |
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| 19:26.42 | lvh | \amethyst: Good call! In the unicode version it's just xterm, even though it should be xterm-256color |
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| 19:26.45 | Javi-K | Hi |
| 19:27.02 | DeSian | i use LAMP and Perl is installed. will have cgi-bin in /var/www/ directory and run perl script in it or with webbrowser can i run it |
| 19:27.04 | lvh | \amethyst: Next problem: how do I set my termname for uxterm? |
| 19:27.13 | DeSian | is that possible ? |
| 19:27.33 | lvh | I could change XTerm*termName into *termName, but then again xterm should've caught that |
| 19:27.47 | greycat | DeSian: the web browser will not execute it. |
| 19:28.00 | greycat | DeSian: running them as CGIs is very common |
| 19:28.12 | hark | renton_: `there's "away" in the repos |
| 19:28.18 | lvh | \amethyst: removing the XTerm in that rule fixed it !!! thanks :-) |
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| 19:29.25 | DeSian | greycat: 'm perl beginner and will run same perl code on local machine. everything is installed just will run the code with webbrowser too |
| 19:29.45 | kdub | i installed a broken package, is there a way to manually go in and make dpkg forget that it was installed? |
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| 19:30.50 | \amethyst | lvh: instead of removing it, try xterm*termName |
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| 19:31.08 | \amethyst | lvh: or two entries, one for XTerm*termName one for UXTerm*termname |
| 19:31.28 | lvh | \amethyst: Oh, the resource name for xterm -u8 is UXTerm :/ |
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| 19:31.50 | \amethyst | lvh: the class name is UXTerm instead of XTerm, but the application name is still xterm (unless you use -name) |
| 19:31.57 | jelly-home | kdub: yes but it's MUCH better to try fixing it using aptitude/apt and dpkg command line |
| 19:32.10 | greycat | DeSian: if you are running perl programs as CGIs, they are executed on the server, not by the web browser. |
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| 19:32.24 | \amethyst | lvh: *termName will set it for every X program, which might not be what you want |
| 19:32.25 | kdub | jelly-home: i cant, it wont even uninstall, or do anything |
| 19:32.33 | greycat | DeSian: (this applies to all CGIs, not just ones written in perl) |
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| 19:32.42 | kdub | jelly-home: the post/pre inst scripts arent completing |
| 19:32.46 | G-Farkas | Hi, when i try start my terminal "rvxt" (outside the xserver) I get: "Cant open Display: 0, aborting" What is happening? |
| 19:33.01 | DeSian | greycat: but ihave perl installed is no directory under /var/www/ like cgi-bin |
| 19:33.02 | lvh | \amethyst: Okay |
| 19:33.09 | jelly-home | kdub: which package name and version, which debian release, pastebin the complete output of your package removal command (and the command itself) |
| 19:33.15 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: you set DISPLAY to "0" instead of ":0" |
| 19:33.22 | lvh | \amethyst: That explains why I was getting gray on black instead of white on black |
| 19:33.37 | kdub | jelly-home: its not a debian project supported pkg :-/ |
| 19:33.48 | jelly-home | kdub: nevertheless. |
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| 19:34.04 | lvh | \amethyst: Awesome, thanks |
| 19:34.09 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: tanx, and what does that mean? Can I run that terminal outside X ? |
| 19:34.35 | greycat | DeSian: if you're asking how to set up Apache to run CGI programs with .pl or .cgi extensions, you should probably head over to #httpd |
| 19:34.38 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: it will display to the currently running X server if you have permission to connect to that X server |
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| 19:34.57 | DeSian | greycat: oh thnx |
| 19:35.28 | jelly-home | kdub: a simple thing to do when the scripts are flawed is to put "set -x" on top, try dpkg --configure packagename and see where it fails. Or when removing, "exit 0" at the top. Works if they're shell scripts. |
| 19:35.31 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: tanx, which is the terminal that start when I start Debian? Can I change it? |
| 19:35.38 | greycat | DeSian: It'll be something like AddHandler cgi-script .cgi but it has to be in the right place. |
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| 19:35.52 | greycat | DeSian: als you need an Options ExecCGI in the right place |
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| 19:36.26 | kdub | jelly-home: this particular package runs some weird custom install program called bitrock in the scripts, so i dont know if that will help |
| 19:36.38 | kdub | its really quite annoying |
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| 19:37.50 | jelly-home | kdub: that's why you have to inspect the scripts, see if they leave stuff on your system in case you force a removal using a dummy prerm/postrm (one with exit 0) |
| 19:38.03 | jelly-home | kdub: so please pastebin the stuff. |
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| 19:38.27 | eggy_ | Hello, how can I make swing look like gtk? |
| 19:38.42 | jelly-home | kdub: output of "dpkg -l yourpackagename libc6 | tail -2 " will help too. |
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| 19:41.03 | kdub | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1446659 |
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| 19:42.26 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:42.43 | abrotman | The French are coming! |
| 19:42.50 | earthian | A client on my local network is downloading something. is there a way to find out which IP is doing the download in lenny? |
| 19:43.10 | jelly-home | kdub: that's the installation step. What about removal? |
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| 19:44.22 | streuner | abrotman: french, german, its all the same for you? |
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| 19:44.38 | kdub | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1446665 |
| 19:44.47 | greycat | earthian: "netstat -an" would be a good start if you can't find a more specific tool |
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| 19:45.24 | pickcoder | earthian: ypi |
| 19:45.26 | pickcoder | meh |
| 19:45.40 | pickcoder | is the box on the same lan segment |
| 19:45.52 | jelly-home | kdub: is that the complete output? There's no fatal error. |
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| 19:46.23 | pickcoder | or better yet, is it a gateway for the lan? |
| 19:46.28 | jelly-home | kdub: what was the exit status of that dpkg --purge (echo $? after that command) |
| 19:46.41 | earthian | thanks pickcoder ! |
| 19:46.59 | jcole | im currently using xmlstarlet to format my xml files (xmlstarlet fo myxmlfile.xml) ... anyone here know of an *html* formatter (besides tidy)? |
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| 19:47.26 | pickcoder | earthian: that was a typo.. not a suggestion |
| 19:47.38 | earthian | ah |
| 19:47.45 | earthian | i see.. it does not show anything :) |
| 19:47.58 | pickcoder | if it's a gateway for the lan then you can load something like iptraf |
| 19:48.06 | earthian | just connections to/from the local server and not client ip <-> somewhere on the net |
| 19:48.12 | earthian | ok |
| 19:48.17 | earthian | i will check that :) |
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| 19:51.18 | par-joha | Hello! |
| 19:52.01 | TrueDD | hi |
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| 19:52.22 | par-joha | I'm using Debian/Lenny and trying to create an automated dvd backup program. I'm looking for a way to detect when a dvd is inserted, and then run a specific program. I've googled for this but only found the old 'cdde' program, which doesn't seem to exist in Lenny. Any clues? |
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| 19:55.58 | JordiGH | To enable apache mods, am I supposed to create the symlinks in mods-enabled myself? |
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| 19:56.39 | JoshH | JordiGH: a2enmod does that for you |
| 19:56.49 | JordiGH | JoshH: Ah, thanks. |
| 19:57.01 | JoshH | similar to a2ensite |
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| 19:57.59 | pickcoder | par-joha: add a RUN+="/bin/someprogram" to a rules.d file for the device |
| 19:58.29 | pickcoder | you should name it <number>-mycustom.rules or something similar with a high <number> value |
| 19:58.32 | pickcoder | say 99 or so |
| 19:59.17 | kdub | jelly-home: its zero, its just annoying that i cant get the package to set itself up correctly |
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| 20:00.05 | par-joha | pickcoder: Ah, thanks! That's exactly what I'm looking for. |
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| 20:00.17 | pickcoder | or edit the hotplug rules |
| 20:00.31 | pickcoder | which already contain run commands for various devices |
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| 20:01.19 | par-joha | pickcoder: That might be easier, I'll try that first |
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| 20:02.58 | edwin_quijada | How can I add another HD to my debian lenny? |
| 20:03.05 | jelly-home | kdub: you can a) inspect the scripts and fix them yourself, or b) notify the authors |
| 20:03.29 | ranix | edwin_quijada: a. get a hard drive. b. plug the hard drive in. c. ???? d. PROFIT! |
| 20:03.38 | greycat | edwin_quijada: power down, add the disk, power back up, use "fdisk" or "cfdisk" or equivalent to partition the new device, use "mkfs" to create file systems, edit /etc/fstab, use mount, etc. |
| 20:03.38 | memnon | edwin_quijada: What do you mean with 'add'? mount? |
| 20:05.39 | kdub | jelly-home: i'm seeing if one can help me now, hope it works |
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| 20:08.27 | memnon | Btw.: Does anyone here use the emacs-snapshot package for lenny? |
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| 20:10.22 | memnon | is wondering why it stopped being updated weekly. Seems I found a bug and |
| 20:10.45 | memnon | I want to be sure its not fixed already before reporting it. |
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| 20:17.45 | foyfoytos | hello. i' trying to install my usb wifi adapter and settup a connection with a wifi router with WPA2PSK. I have a ralink chip rt3070. I downloaded the drivers from the site and installed them (correctly i guess). I now see a ra0 interface with iwconfig. i alse set up wpasupplicant as shown in almost all howtos online. But when i try to ifup ra0 i get and error saying that this is not allowed and can't find the channel. Any hhelp here? |
| 20:17.53 | Sabrinchen | Can someone install a virtualizing System, f.e Hypervm, for money? |
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| 20:19.32 | memnon | foyfoytos: does 'iwlist ra0 scan | less' show some networks? |
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| 20:19.50 | foyfoytos | memnon : it show only 1 |
| 20:19.59 | memnon | foyfoytos: the net you want to connect to |
| 20:20.20 | foyfoytos | memnon : and stats show that the ra0 sends and receives packets corrrectly |
| 20:20.21 | memnon | foyfoytos: Okay, so how is your setup? -> pastebin |
| 20:20.33 | memnon | foyfoytos: blank passwords ;) |
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| 20:22.06 | foyfoytos | memnon : now i'm in windows2k cause i have no internet connection in my debian yet. But here is what i did: |
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| 20:24.13 | memnon | ? |
| 20:24.14 | foyfoytos | memnon : i edited /etc/network/interfaces like this: iface ra0 inet dhcp \\ wpa-driver wext \\ wpa-ssid blahblah \\ wpa-psk XXXXXXXX |
| 20:24.44 | foyfoytos | where wpa-ssid is what i get with iwlist ra0 scan |
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| 20:25.11 | memnon | foyfoytos: I have the same, plus wireless-essid blahblah |
| 20:25.36 | memnon | foyfoytos: I have 'iface whome inet dhcp' |
| 20:25.41 | foyfoytos | memnon : i tried wireless-essid too |
| 20:25.50 | memnon | foyfoytos: And use ifup ra0=whome |
| 20:26.15 | memnon | foyfoytos: But yours should work, AFAIk |
| 20:26.19 | foyfoytos | but i get an error everytime when i try to ifup the ra0 interface |
| 20:26.44 | memnon | foyfoytos: Which error? *precisely*? |
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| 20:26.48 | foyfoytos | i noticed on boot and dmseg that the error has to do with wirelessdriver |
| 20:27.15 | foyfoytos | i remember that i get and error saying.... |
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| 20:27.22 | ranix | foyfoytos: "I ran the command ___. Its output was ___. I expected it to do ___." |
| 20:27.30 | memnon | you have wireless-tools and wpasupplicant installed? |
| 20:27.30 | foyfoytos | cannot get the driver to work in managed mode |
| 20:27.38 | foyfoytos | yes |
| 20:28.24 | foyfoytos | i read all docs related plus all man's and for my ralink chip it says that i should set it to wext the generic one |
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| 20:29.25 | memnon | foyfoytos: Sorry, that is beyond my experience... /me asks google |
| 20:30.00 | foyfoytos | memnon : is there any chance that rt3070 chip is not supported by debian correctly? |
| 20:30.00 | helo | i moved my hard drives into a new machine, and now my raid 1 array isn't started, so mounting /dev/md0 fails on boot and requests the maintenance password... what do i need to do so it is automatically assembled again? |
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| 20:31.15 | foyfoytos | memnon : at least what is the procedure for "upping" the wifi interface via wpasupplicant? do i need to run wpa suuplicant too? |
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| 20:31.33 | penguin_ | What is the best FTP server for Debian? |
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| 20:31.45 | memnon | foyfoytos: I have the same you have, as I said, plus wireless-essid |
| 20:31.59 | memnon | foyfoytos: And I just do a 'ifup eth1=whome' and thats it |
| 20:32.17 | foyfoytos | no wpasupplicant server on the background? |
| 20:32.38 | greycat | penguin_: I won't say it's "best" but I've been happy with vsftpd lately. |
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| 20:33.03 | SmokeyD | hey people. How does a partition get a uuid? Where is that assigned and stored? I am having a problem with a disk showing very weird behaviour with udev and vol_id and stuff |
| 20:33.07 | foyfoytos | memnon : and nothing with /etc/wpasupplicant/wpasupplicant.conf? |
| 20:33.14 | memnon | foyfoytos: I just did that ;) |
| 20:33.33 | memnon | foyfoytos: I have a look at /etc/wpasupplicant/wpasupplicant.conf ... |
| 20:34.21 | memnon | foyfoytos: I do not have that file ;) |
| 20:34.39 | adb | ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 20:34.41 | SmokeyD | although the partition table of /dev/sdb seems to be right, vol_id /dev/sdb returns a uuid while vol_id /dev/sdb1 return "unkown volume type" |
| 20:35.21 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: what filesystem is sbd1? |
| 20:35.25 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: sdb1 |
| 20:35.31 | memnon | foyfoytos: /me is no pro. It just works here ;) |
| 20:35.44 | V3n3RiX | says HI to everybody |
| 20:35.55 | memnon | foyfoytos: But I have another wireless card ... |
| 20:36.07 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: LVM |
| 20:36.20 | memnon | huhu V3n3RiX |
| 20:36.24 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: ah, I have no idea how LVM interacts with uuids, sorry |
| 20:36.37 | memnon | foyfoytos: So your setup basically is right. |
| 20:36.47 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: is uuid filesystem specific? |
| 20:37.02 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: yes |
| 20:37.26 | foyfoytos | memnon : where can i see if my chip is supported by debian? (linux generally)? i tried google but don't get any result for that chip and i have 4.0r5 which is kinda old... |
| 20:37.40 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: ok, but regardless of filesystems, /dev/sdb should have a uuid right? |
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| 20:37.51 | SmokeyD | I mean, it is a block device, not a partition. |
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| 20:38.13 | SmokeyD | It contains a partition, yes, but it isn't a partition and therefore shouldn't have a uuid |
| 20:38.28 | penguin_ | Is vsftpd the most popular? |
| 20:38.43 | SmokeyD | adb: http://pastebin.com/d203b7458 |
| 20:38.46 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: yeah, none of my disks have UUIDs |
| 20:39.04 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: the partitions do, but not the disks themselves. But, then, I'm not using LVM |
| 20:39.11 | V3n3RiX | i have a little problem |
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| 20:39.17 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: yeah, but it was not like this before |
| 20:39.24 | module000 | penguin_: it's just one of many |
| 20:39.42 | SmokeyD | What I did not mention either (and should have) is that the machine is actually a Guest in a Xen virtual machine |
| 20:39.42 | memnon | foyfoytos: working on it ... |
| 20:40.19 | foyfoytos | thnx |
| 20:40.20 | module000 | penguin_: if you want non-users to access your ftp site...use an ftp daemon. but if your ftp users are also shell account holders...use sftp |
| 20:40.23 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: so according to that sdb1 has a UUID but sdb does not... that's perfectly normal |
| 20:40.23 | memnon | foyfoytos: If I would buy a new card, I would check it works for ubuntu |
| 20:40.29 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: the pastebin, that is |
| 20:40.32 | memnon | foyfoytos: If it does, it works for debian, too |
| 20:40.35 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: yes that is as it should be |
| 20:40.41 | adb | !tell penguin_ about ftp |
| 20:40.42 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: but that is not what vol_id reports |
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| 20:41.18 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: to be precise: /dev/disk/by-uuid does report the correct layout as it should be, but at the same time vol_id doesn't |
| 20:42.54 | foyfoytos | memnon : since there is packet transfer (both send-receive) just by modprobing the driver for the card is there any chance for a driver fault? |
| 20:42.54 | SmokeyD | hence my first question, how does vol_id determine vol_id's? It obviously doesn't use /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 20:43.16 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: vol_id reads the device |
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| 20:43.31 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: sounds like it had a uuid when udev was started, but no longer does |
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| 20:43.43 | memnon | foyfoytos: I frankly have no idea. /me tries to find something at google |
| 20:43.47 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: e.g. you repartitioned, or re-mkfsed |
| 20:43.57 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: I definately didn't |
| 20:44.07 | duke_leto | yay, a discussion about udev is already on! let me join :-) |
| 20:44.08 | SmokeyD | I just rebooted |
| 20:44.24 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: I'm clueless then, since I don't know lvm very well |
| 20:44.28 | SmokeyD | duke_leto: any comments are welcome |
| 20:44.35 | foyfoytos | memnon ; i'm trying that for 2 weeks now and can't get it work. i was so dispaointed and came here lloking for help :( |
| 20:44.52 | duke_leto | SmokeyD: actually, I came looking for help :-/ |
| 20:45.12 | SmokeyD | it wasn't even me who rebooted, it was the power which got cut and the datacenter people had to boot everything manually again |
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| 20:45.27 | memnon | foyfoytos: Sorry, I do not have that card, so I have no solution worked |
| 20:45.27 | memnon | out already. /me is just trying |
| 20:46.01 | adb | foyfoytos: tried newer kernels ? |
| 20:46.01 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: can you think of any way that the partition /dev/sdb1 somehow ended up on /dev/sdb? |
| 20:46.12 | foyfoytos | adb : no. |
| 20:46.32 | foyfoytos | adb : i just got the dflt 2.6.18 |
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| 20:46.42 | duke_leto | because my cdrom stopped working some time ago⦠I donât even know if it was udev that borked it all⦠|
| 20:46.50 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: I can't think of a way, but that doesn't mean it's not possible |
| 20:47.16 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: is the uuid vol_id reports for /dev/sdb the same as the one /dev/disk/by-uuid/ reports for sdb1? |
| 20:47.21 | foyfoytos | adb : i read the README from ralink site and says that minimum kernel is 2.6.7 |
| 20:47.42 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:48.13 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: what are the major and minor numbers for /dev/sdb (after the group and before the date in ls -l)? |
| 20:48.40 | memnon | foyfoytos: You built the driver like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1045703 |
| 20:48.42 | memnon | ? |
| 20:48.55 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/d16aa0412 |
| 20:49.04 | SmokeyD | 8,16 and 8,17 |
| 20:49.10 | memnon | 'Make sure that both lines have a "y" after them (by default they have an "n"), then save the file.' |
| 20:49.13 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: hm, those are correct |
| 20:49.20 | \amethyst | SmokeyD: something weird is definitely going on |
| 20:49.33 | SmokeyD | \amethyst: yeah, that is what I thought as well :) |
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| 20:50.16 | memnon | foyfoytos: Did you built it like this? |
| 20:50.18 | foyfoytos | memnon : yes... this is how i built my driver |
| 20:50.32 | SmokeyD | I think it has something to do with the fact that the machine is a Xen virtual machine and somehow Xen b0rks the device->disk image translation or something |
| 20:50.33 | memnon | foyfoytos: And you set to 'y'? |
| 20:51.03 | SmokeyD | duke_leto: what was your problem you needed help on? |
| 20:52.19 | duke_leto | SmokeyD: my cdrom drive stopped working, /dev/cdrom (and /dev/sdb or whatever it was) just disappeared |
| 20:52.25 | memnon | foyfoytos: http://lobmenschen.de/index.php/RALINK_RT3070_Linux_Treiber_Installation |
| 20:52.31 | memnon | foyfoytos: There is a patch mentioned ... |
| 20:52.37 | duke_leto | I guess udev is the culprit, but Iâm not sure⦠|
| 20:53.31 | enouf | duke_leto: are you using wine and crap like daemon tools ? |
| 20:54.02 | SmokeyD | duke_leto: /dev/cdrom is usually a symlink to another device: the real cdrom device. |
| 20:54.10 | SmokeyD | duke_leto: what does ls -l /dev/sd* show you? |
| 20:54.15 | duke_leto | enouf: maybe I fired up wine once or twice⦠but did nothing but reading from wine |
| 20:54.35 | enouf | duke_leto: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info (any result?) |
| 20:54.46 | duke_leto | ls: cannot access sd*: No such file or directory |
| 20:55.18 | enouf | duke_leto: which debian release and kernel are you using? |
| 20:55.36 | memnon | foyfoytos: but if you are on .18, you should not need it, if I read it |
| 20:55.36 | memnon | correctly. I suggest you ask the mailing list |
| 20:55.43 | duke_leto | enouf: the cat gave a result, but after colons no yes / no |
| 20:55.58 | enouf | duke_leto: Device name says? |
| 20:56.25 | enouf | er drive name |
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| 20:57.12 | duke_leto | 2.6.26-2-686 kernel; drive name nothing |
| 20:57.15 | enouf | btw; the values after the colons are numerical, not boolean |
| 20:57.25 | duke_leto | ah :-) |
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| 20:57.46 | ``y7 | do i need root to ifconfig? |
| 20:57.48 | enouf | duke_leto: pastebin dmesg | egrep -i 'hd|sd|atapi' |
| 20:57.51 | duke_leto | debian squeeze |
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| 20:58.42 | foyfoytos | memnon : where can i paste something for u 2 c? |
| 20:58.58 | memnon | ,pastebin |
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| 20:59.07 | duke_leto | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d1a3f3b9b |
| 20:59.23 | memnon | foyfoytos: pastebin.com |
| 20:59.41 | duke_leto | âDriver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methodsâ looks interesting ;-) |
| 20:59.51 | jelly-home | duke_leto: ignore it |
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| 21:00.26 | duke_leto | oh, okay, jelly-home |
| 21:00.46 | enouf | duke_leto: ouch - how about lsmod | grep scsi_mod (and did you build that kernel?) |
| 21:01.29 | duke_leto | enouf: I donât know nothing about building kernels â does using m-a count? |
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| 21:01.32 | enouf | duke_leto: the ouch was to your dmesg output, i concur the sd updating is non-fatal or anything |
| 21:01.54 | enouf | duke_leto: that help build and install kernel modules yes |
| 21:01.57 | duke_leto | oh, does my system being a laptop change anything? -_- |
| 21:02.01 | enouf | helps* |
| 21:02.14 | enouf | it shouldn't |
| 21:02.26 | foyfoytos | memnon : http://pastebin.com/m4cb59792 |
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| 21:02.38 | duke_leto | scsi_mod 129324 6 sg,st,sd_mod,sr_mod,sbp2,libata |
| 21:02.38 | enouf | you can't even check the jumpers? .. check the BIOS, does it see the drive? |
| 21:02.56 | memnon | [checking] |
| 21:03.18 | jelly-home | duke_leto: do you have a /dev/sr* or /dev/scd* ? |
| 21:03.44 | duke_leto | nope, none |
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| 21:04.03 | jelly-home | duke_leto: eh, pastebin the whole dmesg then |
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| 21:05.07 | billybigrigger | hi all, can someone answer a quick question for me? i just tried to install ubuntu 9.04 server 386 onto an old p1 166mhz with 98mb ram, and it told me that i had to update the bios before i could run the install...now my question...will debian install on this machine? lenny or any other version? i just want a plain jane headless server |
| 21:05.08 | enouf | duke_leto: pgrep eachof these - udevd hald dbus - one at a time, since i don't know the syntax offhand to make it show all 3 at once |
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| 21:05.46 | duke_leto | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/d5cda754f is the whole dmesg, but itâs about 500 lines⦠|
| 21:06.04 | enouf | duke_leto: it's an internal CD/DVD ? |
| 21:06.16 | duke_leto | uhm⦠think so |
| 21:06.24 | duke_leto | yes :-) |
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| 21:06.47 | memnon | foyfoytos: Okay, read it. But sorry, I have no idea. Really ask the |
| 21:06.47 | memnon | mailing list: They are very friendly there, and if you choose a good |
| 21:06.47 | memnon | subject, you will most probably find some advice |
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| 21:07.34 | duke_leto | enouf: pgrep gives a bunch of numbers for them |
| 21:07.45 | duke_leto | do you need them exactly? |
| 21:07.46 | enouf | duke_leto: cat /proc/cmdline says? (check your BIOS as i mentioned too - but that needs a reboot) -- does lshal | egrep 'cdrom|dbus' return anything intersting? |
| 21:08.12 | duke_leto | root=/dev/mapper/delfin-root ro vga=792 splash is the cat |
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| 21:08.32 | enouf | duke_leto: ok, so all 3 are running? for udevd, you should have only 1, for hal a few (3-5 or more), and for dbus, maybe 3 |
| 21:08.35 | jelly-home | duke_leto: nothing resembling a cdrom in dmesg. If it's an IDE device, it's dead or disabled in BIOS |
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| 21:08.52 | enouf | i concur |
| 21:09.01 | duke_leto | info.linu x.driver = 'yenta_cardbus' (string) |
| 21:09.06 | memnon | foyfoytos: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ [debian-user is a good choice] |
| 21:09.06 | enouf | heh |
| 21:09.17 | duke_leto | enouf: very good! 1, 5 and 3 |
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| 21:09.38 | EugenMayer | hello. I would like to change the mysql root password. its not my problem running an update mysql.user set .. query.. i just ask myself, what the debian way is..i remember the user is used for some maintaince tasks..so chaning the password would break this? |
| 21:09.41 | duke_leto | oh, then Iâm off checking the bios :-) |
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| 21:09.54 | enouf | duke_leto: by "internal". i meant not attached as a drivebay in an external adapter though usb/pcmcia/whatever |
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| 21:10.12 | jelly-home | duke_leto: did it work at any time in the past with a Debian kernel? |
| 21:10.13 | duke_leto | okay, then itâs internal |
| 21:10.20 | billybigrigger | can anyone tell me if the base lenny install cd (netinst) will boot on an old p1 166 with 98mb ram? |
| 21:10.45 | bronaugh | it'll certainly boot. |
| 21:10.49 | epsas | yes |
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| 21:10.58 | adb | billybigrigger: no |
| 21:11.05 | jelly-home | "will it install in a reasonable timeframe" |
| 21:11.13 | billybigrigger | i don't care if it takes 12 hours to install |
| 21:11.17 | duke_leto | jelly-home: yes, then, after an update it was completely dead, and didnât even open when I pushed the button. Now it at least reacts to the eject-button |
| 21:11.19 | billybigrigger | i just want a base headless system |
| 21:11.20 | enouf | bronaugh: sure, if the BIOS supports booting from CDROM, but you could also use a a floppy boot (SBM) and load the cd from that |
| 21:11.34 | billybigrigger | yes the system supports booting from cd |
| 21:11.41 | adb | billybigrigger: headless ? |
| 21:11.46 | enouf | erm .. i meant billybigrigger , not bronaugh |
| 21:11.48 | duke_leto | but any command I give the cdrom fails with a âDevice not foundâ |
| 21:12.05 | billybigrigger | adb::: ya, i just want a power plug and ethernet cable after the install |
| 21:12.15 | adb | no hard ? |
| 21:12.17 | bronaugh | enouf: million ways to do it. |
| 21:12.19 | duke_leto | well, rebooting⦠later! :-) |
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| 21:12.30 | billybigrigger | adb::: i have a monitor and old ps2 keyboard to get it installed, after its installed i can ssh in to admin the box though |
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| 21:12.44 | enouf | bronaugh: not really - but there are others, the ones are mentioned are the most common |
| 21:12.50 | billybigrigger | i'm just wondering because the newest ubuntu 9.04 "server" image wouldn't boot, it complained the bios was too old??? |
| 21:12.58 | cemunal | hi all |
| 21:13.03 | cemunal | can we get 3d with nouveau drivers? |
| 21:13.08 | enouf | bronaugh: systems that old have no USB, no Netboot abilitieds |
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| 21:13.24 | bronaugh | enouf: well, adding a card with a netboot rom is certainly another install option... |
| 21:13.46 | bronaugh | enouf: so is putting Linux on an expansion ROM. I bet someone's done that. |
| 21:13.49 | bronaugh | likewise etherboot on a floppy. |
| 21:13.52 | enouf | billybigrigger: that's possible - what's the BIOS date - if needed, you could pass acpi=off on the boot: prompt |
| 21:13.57 | thechef | There are many monitoring tools that monitor network traffic and tools like netstat that monitor all established connections. Now i'd like to have a tool that monitors events, such as new connection attempt, or established connection, rejected connections. I'd also like if there are tools for apache that display more detailed information about the connection such as RequestHeaders. In short: I want a tool that displays network _events_ as |
| 21:13.58 | thechef | text or graphically - doesn't matter |
| 21:14.37 | bronaugh | enouf: then there's the "do the install starting from DOS" option. |
| 21:14.46 | xeskoyfoytos | memnon : thnx a lot for trying... i think i'll manage to get along without linux for few months till i leave this F***ing place. :)) |
| 21:15.12 | enouf | bronaugh: i was just saying, the options are bit limited - you could also yank the HDD, plop it into another system, install; put it back |
| 21:15.30 | bronaugh | enouf: yup. |
| 21:15.40 | enouf | bronaugh: there's also debian.exe |
| 21:15.42 | xaashi | Hi, does anyone know of any pointers to how to build a bootable image from a filesystem |
| 21:15.46 | bronaugh | limited is soldered-on SSD in a machine that won't boot from USB. |
| 21:15.48 | billybigrigger | enouf::: well, i don't know much about the box, the sticker on the back says manufactured in '97, its running win98 right now, its a p1 166mhz with 98mb ram...i have the bios version, ill google it and see if i can get a date for you... |
| 21:16.09 | bronaugh | had laptop which wouldn't boot from USB other than CDROM... did all installs as netinst |
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| 21:16.22 | enouf | billybigrigger: obviously prior to 2k, so ACPI will be auto-blacklisted |
| 21:16.33 | bronaugh | taking out the HDD was kind of an option, but it was a wierdo HD too, which took both +5 and +3.3 |
| 21:16.46 | bronaugh | yay Panasonic. |
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| 21:17.11 | billybigrigger | enouf::: so in answer to my question, will i be able to boot and install lenny on this machine? |
| 21:17.21 | adb | billybigrigger: so just try |
| 21:17.25 | bronaugh | billybigrigger: you -should- be able to. |
| 21:17.29 | billybigrigger | well i have 1 cdr left |
| 21:17.29 | enouf | has a p150 with a 1.2GB HDD ;-) boots from cdrom - but very picky, it doesn't like newer isolinux versions, so i use SBM on floopy, then load CD |
| 21:17.33 | bronaugh | I'd test memory, etc. |
| 21:17.40 | bronaugh | make sure hw is not f'd |
| 21:17.46 | iaindalton | How can I remove a package but not another that depends on it? |
| 21:17.54 | billybigrigger | enouf::: yeah thats the problem with the ubuntu cd, isolinux won't let it boot |
| 21:17.58 | bronaugh | enouf: yeah, that vintage of hw can be picky about what CDROM drive you use, even. |
| 21:17.58 | enouf | the Installer will detect lowmem and apply automatically if needed |
| 21:18.11 | billybigrigger | enouf::: i don't have any floppies |
| 21:18.28 | billybigrigger | cdr is my only method of install, or netboot/netinstall from this current ubuntu machine if thats possible??? |
| 21:18.44 | enouf | bronaugh: only 2 CDs i know of boot (OEM win98 CD, and an old DSL CD - though i'm sure many older ones will too |
| 21:18.51 | bronaugh | enouf: yeah. |
| 21:18.51 | SmokeyD | iaindalton: I don't think you can't. But you wouldn't be able to use a package anyway if it's dependencies aren't there. |
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| 21:19.13 | SmokeyD | OOps, double negation there. I meant: i don't think you can |
| 21:19.18 | bronaugh | enouf: unsurprising. I think my most exotic install was debian onto an IBM PS/2 MCA bus 486... |
| 21:19.21 | enouf | needs to eat - will be on the sidelines |
| 21:19.26 | bronaugh | -exciting- is one way to put it. |
| 21:19.29 | enouf | bronaugh: heh |
| 21:19.31 | duke_leto | hrm⦠bad news. the drive doesnât even appear in the BIOS |
| 21:19.38 | ajavid | yo |
| 21:19.39 | billybigrigger | so lenny uses the same version of isolinux as ubuntu? |
| 21:19.45 | SmokeyD | duke_leto: then it is broken probably |
| 21:19.48 | bronaugh | had to bodge my own kernel into the install to get it to boot the installer... |
| 21:19.51 | billybigrigger | so im probably going to get the same error with a lenny install cd yes? |
| 21:19.54 | iaindalton | SmokeyD: I want to remove evolution-documentation-en without removing language-support-en (which pulls in documentation for a bunch of apps |
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| 21:20.09 | duke_leto | SmokeyD: or the connection⦠*knocks on wood* |
| 21:20.35 | SmokeyD | duke_leto: I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, but chances are it is groken |
| 21:20.36 | jdu | is there an apt-get or aptitude command that can be run from a script to see if there are updates or not but not do anything? |
| 21:20.38 | SmokeyD | broken |
| 21:20.47 | SmokeyD | argh, I really can't type today |
| 21:21.05 | stew | jdu: aptitude search '~U' |
| 21:21.31 | SmokeyD | iaindalton: ok, well, that might not break anything, but I still don't know of any way to do that except manually deleting files, which I would definately NOT recommend |
| 21:21.43 | iaindalton | right |
| 21:21.47 | jdu | stew: thanks! |
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| 21:21.58 | stew | jdu: though you also might look at apticron or cron-apt |
| 21:21.58 | duke_leto | SmokeyD: :-( |
| 21:22.20 | duke_leto | well, thatâs all, folks. guess Iâll be around. Itâs nice here :-) |
| 21:22.24 | SmokeyD | duke_leto: I'd bury it in the garden with a nice headstone |
| 21:22.26 | enouf | billybigrigger: look at SBM /msg dpkg sbm |
| 21:22.29 | duke_leto | lol |
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| 21:22.37 | enouf | billybigrigger: it has a working floppy? |
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| 21:22.46 | jdu | stew: thanks, though this script is not intended for automatic updates |
| 21:23.04 | jdu | stew: it might solve the problem of even needing to check though |
| 21:23.06 | stew | jdu: yeah, those could email you when there are updates available |
| 21:23.26 | enouf | billybigrigger: you could even test other cds prior to using your last cdr |
| 21:23.26 | jdu | ah, that would be helpful |
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| 21:23.29 | hark | IamSOG: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 21:23.30 | billybigrigger | enouf::: the floppy drive is detected at boot and in bios, and yes afaik it works, but as i stated earlier i don't have a floppy, and havent for years :P |
| 21:23.38 | enouf | ahh |
| 21:23.47 | enouf | billybigrigger: not even buried somewhere? |
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| 21:23.51 | billybigrigger | nope :P |
| 21:23.54 | bronaugh | fun. |
| 21:23.58 | billybigrigger | i havent seen a floppy in my house for years :P |
| 21:23.59 | enouf | billybigrigger: local store - blanks? |
| 21:24.02 | SparFux | in dpkg-buildpackage, how can I put a ./configure option in it? |
| 21:24.34 | enouf | billybigrigger: i mean, you're talking a few dollars, then all/most bootable cds should boot |
| 21:25.07 | Qew | SparFux: edit the debian/rules file in the source to include the config option |
| 21:25.08 | enouf | SparFux: i think it depends on the source pkg |
| 21:26.01 | billybigrigger | argh :P if thats the case then i might as well spend the $60 to buy a motherboard for this amd x2 5000 i have, complete with ram, hdd, fans, psu and a case :P |
| 21:26.01 | SparFux | Qew, enouf: so, but editing files is necessary. There is no one-time command-line way? |
| 21:26.25 | billybigrigger | i have all but a mobo to put together a pretty decent server, but im not working right now and im not looking forward to driving around hunting down a store that sells floppies :P |
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| 21:26.43 | enouf | billybigrigger: any retail office supply place |
| 21:26.46 | billybigrigger | i thought this old box would do me for now...i guess not :P |
| 21:26.59 | enouf | office depot, staples, etc |
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| 21:27.12 | billybigrigger | enouf::: ill brb, burning this lenny cd and trying it out, but im imagining im going to get the same results eh? |
| 21:27.34 | enouf | billybigrigger: all things you;ve mentioned would say so - however ... |
| 21:28.17 | Qew | SparFux: not that I know. Editing the rules file isn't hard, though. Just add the config with the other config options you find there. |
| 21:28.58 | enouf | SparFux: building pkgs (the way you are) is mainly dependent upon what's in all the /debian/* dirs/files as mentioned /rules; /control, /changelog to name a few |
| 21:29.51 | SparFux | Qew: Yes, it's easy. I am always just not a friend of manipulating the stuff. Feel better with command line. On the other hand, that's a stupid attitude :-) |
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| 21:30.17 | SparFux | Thx for the help. |
| 21:30.31 | Qew | np |
| 21:31.37 | enouf | Qew: would something like pbuilder and the various dh_ tools be more apropos for SparFux ? i'm not even sure |
| 21:33.32 | owen1 | i have screen(multiuser) running by user1 on my server. i ssh as user2 and get: 'there is no screen to be attached matching session1'. any idea? |
| 21:34.17 | Qew | to be honest, I haven't tried those methods, so wouldn't be the best to ask. I have used dpkg-buildpackage, so that's where my knowledge lies. Anyway, editing the rules file is straightfoward. |
| 21:34.44 | enouf | Qew: indeed |
| 21:34.48 | enouf | Qew: i |
| 21:35.27 | enouf | Qew: i've noticed variations in the debian sources though as far as what'sin the the tar.gz + .dsc + .diff |
| 21:36.09 | Qew | well, they add the Debian to the sauce ;) |
| 21:36.22 | enouf | heh |
| 21:36.26 | Qew | and talking of source... I mean sauce, I need to eat |
| 21:36.51 | enouf | _was_ going to eat, but decided i needed some Scotch prior ;-) |
| 21:36.59 | enouf | s/i/he/ |
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| 21:37.11 | Qew | eat and watch The Wire... back in an hour |
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| 21:44.30 | iyofel | ups, wrong window, sry... |
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| 21:47.29 | billybigrigger | enouf::: now with the debian install cd, isolinux complains it cant find the cdrom device |
| 21:47.43 | billybigrigger | enouf::: how can it not find the device? it obviously loaded isolinux from the cd? i have in there |
| 21:48.13 | adb | same here on my "new" pi |
| 21:48.13 | billybigrigger | enouf::: maybe it has to do with something like i burnt the cd .iso to a dvd-r? and maybe cause i put a newer nec dvd/rw drive in there to read it? |
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| 21:49.14 | enouf | billybigrigger: yeah .. oddities .. let me ask, so you get to the boot: prompt? F1-F10 keys work? |
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| 21:49.39 | billybigrigger | no boot prompt |
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| 21:49.42 | Bold` | hello, for 64 bit intel, is it AMD64 what I need to download or IA64 ? |
| 21:49.42 | billybigrigger | i can get passed isolinux |
| 21:49.50 | enouf | billybigrigger: it's not isolinux complaining, from what you describe.. oh .. ok - nm then |
| 21:50.08 | billybigrigger | let me check again...i have to switch monitor cables |
| 21:50.14 | enouf | billybigrigger: you don't, if you get no boot prompt |
| 21:50.40 | enouf | Bold`: no |
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| 21:50.57 | enouf | Bold`: ia64 is for iTanium CPUs only |
| 21:51.18 | Bold` | enouf, so its AMD64 what I am supposed to download |
| 21:51.26 | enouf | Bold`: amd64 is 64bit userland, i386 is 32 bit, either will work |
| 21:51.35 | Ace2017_- | hi all, serious problem, init is writing filling my entire root partition |
| 21:51.42 | Ace2017_- | as soon as i clear stuff its filled again |
| 21:51.47 | Ace2017_- | its written 28GB since boot |
| 21:51.48 | enouf | init? |
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| 21:52.11 | billybigrigger | enouf::: ISOLINUX DEBIAN 3.71 : loading spec packet failed, trying to wing it.... |
| 21:52.14 | Ace2017_- | init and kdeinit |
| 21:52.19 | enouf | billybigrigger: heh |
| 21:52.21 | billybigrigger | isolinux: Failed to locate CD-ROM device, boot failed |
| 21:52.32 | enouf | billybigrigger: yeah, too new isolinux |
| 21:52.35 | enouf | AFAICT |
| 21:53.01 | billybigrigger | enouf::: how can i find out what version of isolinux debian 4 has? |
| 21:53.02 | enouf | Ace2017_-: if you kill kdeinit, does it happen? |
| 21:53.12 | Ace2017_- | -_- |
| 21:53.17 | billybigrigger | i dont remember what codename came before lenny, but will that version work? |
| 21:53.18 | enouf | billybigrigger: it won't matter .. go grab a floppy already ;-) |
| 21:53.20 | Ace2017_- | that kills kde and everything it has started |
| 21:53.25 | billybigrigger | lol |
| 21:53.30 | enouf | billybigrigger: sarge _might_ boot |
| 21:53.35 | enouf | Ace2017_-: yes |
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| 21:53.42 | enouf | which might be the culprit |
| 21:53.43 | billybigrigger | enouf::: :P |
| 21:53.46 | Ace2017_- | .mozilla is at 21.8GB |
| 21:53.47 | Bold` | enouf, any link to describe the difference between 32 and 64 under debian ? in windows for example.. they avoide installing 64 because of software support.. am I going to face the same here as well ? |
| 21:53.51 | Ace2017_- | that might be related |
| 21:54.15 | enouf | Bold`: certain things, Flash, Java, etc you might have issues with using 64bit userland |
| 21:54.47 | Ace2017_- | OMG, thats is one HUGE bug in firefox |
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| 21:55.00 | enouf | Bold`: maybe wiki.debian.org, alioth, debian mailing lists ... release notes even .. |
| 21:55.10 | Bold` | any known work around for those? enouf .. or I will have to live with it, without flash and java for example.. |
| 21:55.17 | stew | Bold`: flash and java are not problems in amd64 |
| 21:55.28 | nan8 | amd64 ist just fine |
| 21:55.35 | owen1 | I try to have multiuser screen session (2 different users) by following this: http://interblah.net/multi-user-gnu-screen. It's working when using the same user but when ssh with user2 I get this when typing screen -ls:'there is no screen to be attached matching session1'. any ideas? |
| 21:55.38 | nan8 | ~s/ist/is |
| 21:55.43 | stew | Bold`: and yes, there are workarounds still there from when they USED to be problems |
| 21:55.53 | enouf | Ace2017_-: yep - however, i've done the deed, and wiped all kde crud, and have to settle for iceweasel when needed (links2 -g is my main browser) |
| 21:56.22 | Ace2017_- | well firefox is the cause |
| 21:56.29 | enouf | stew: any issues with proprietary video drivers? |
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| 21:56.44 | Ace2017_- | 22GB free :D |
| 21:56.50 | stew | enouf: i don't know |
| 21:57.14 | Bold` | last and sorry for the many questions.. does it worth to untilize the 64 bit capabilities of the system and facing those issues? speed and performance.. blah blah.. |
| 21:57.29 | stew | Bold`: how much memory will the system have? |
| 21:57.40 | Bold` | stew, 2 GB |
| 21:57.48 | mr_clark | Stupid question. Trying to get bind running on lenny. Where should my zone files be? I put them in /etc/bind but it's not able to read them. |
| 21:57.56 | stew | Bold`: then probably won't matter |
| 21:58.08 | stew | Bold`: if you were to say 4 or more it would |
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| 21:58.27 | Bold` | then I will go with the safe known.. 32 bit... |
| 21:58.44 | billybigrigger | enouf::: no way to get smart bootmanager to load from cdrom eh? then switch cd's from sbm to debian install? |
| 21:58.53 | enouf | stew: is there any _other_ things besides flash/java? i mean you seemed to imply that all that has been ironed out (as far as flash and java) -- so any _other_ possible issues with using 64bit userland as a Desktop you can think of offhand (and i don't mean any/all obsxure software, just the main ones people complain about) |
| 21:59.06 | billybigrigger | enouf::: lol or even install 2 dvdrw drives, i have another spare :P |
| 21:59.13 | enouf | s/obscure* |
| 21:59.34 | mr_clark | Or do I need to put the full path? |
| 21:59.51 | enouf | billybigrigger: syslinux.zytor.com has memlinux which you might want to toy with |
| 22:00.00 | bronaugh | hmm |
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| 22:00.05 | stew | enouf: i don't know of any common ones. the only issues I've personally had was with wierd proprietary audio software |
| 22:00.06 | Bold` | is watching.. reading.. |
| 22:00.13 | enouf | or .. is it memdisk? |
| 22:00.38 | enouf | stew: ahhh .. audio .. heh |
| 22:00.39 | bronaugh | so unrelated question but: does the current Macbook Pro's "use entire touchpad as a button" thing work using one pressure sensor, multiple pressure sensors, or a microswitch somewhere down there? |
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| 22:01.04 | stew | enouf: i deal with lots of wierd cellphone only audio formats that don't have adequate open source tools |
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| 22:01.21 | enouf | stew: i see |
| 22:01.30 | Bold` | 32 then .. sure :) |
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| 22:01.37 | Bold` | thank you guys ! |
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| 22:01.51 | enouf | interesting actually - all those various proprietary formats and protocols make my skin crawl |
| 22:01.58 | bronaugh | Bold`: 32-bit is dumb for a lot of reasons. |
| 22:02.11 | bronaugh | Bold`: compatibility is the only reason to go 32-bit, and even that reason is decreasing in importance. |
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| 22:02.28 | stew | enouf: actually now for lots of them i have opensource converters that the audio guys say don't sound as good. so maybe its getting better |
| 22:02.29 | bronaugh | 64-bit is the way to fly. less stupid. |
| 22:02.34 | enouf | Bold`: you can also use the -amd64 (or the -bigmem one) debian kernel on your i386 install |
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| 22:03.04 | enouf | stew: let's hope so ... |
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| 22:03.15 | xor | Hi there. |
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| 22:03.23 | ChrisW | hey all, is there any way I can get my external usb drive to auto-mount when I plug it in? |
| 22:03.31 | xor | Can anyone tell me if Bastille supports Debian 5 already? |
| 22:03.31 | enouf | Bold`: i personally don't care which ARCH you install ;-) |
| 22:03.36 | bronaugh | thing is, if you're running > 1GB RAM it really sucks to be running 32-bit. |
| 22:03.53 | enouf | bronaugh: er .. |
| 22:04.11 | zinx | bronaugh: try >2GB, and that's if you have a modernish video card |
| 22:04.28 | bronaugh | zinx: after 1gb you get into -bigmem fun. |
| 22:04.32 | zinx | no you don't |
| 22:04.33 | enouf | bronaugh: no - you mean 4GB .. for <1GB a -486 is good, for 1-4GB, i386 is fine |
| 22:04.45 | stew | enouf: the good part is that I only need a windows server for actual wma conversions now, everything else is either linux or wine |
| 22:04.49 | zinx | you get in to it after 4GB, but you get stuff mapped over it before that |
| 22:04.58 | Bold` | bronaugh, add to my being new to linux, and debian.. facing issues with 64.. I guess I will do as what enouf suggested, enable the 64 bit from the native 32 if needed.. even though the difference may not be that measurable.. but.. hope it goes well |
| 22:05.00 | zinx | but even the latest stuff is only going to take ~1.5GB |
| 22:05.00 | enouf | bronaugh: the -bigmem is for 4-64G |
| 22:05.15 | bronaugh | enouf: thought that was -bigmem686 or whatever. the stuff that uses PAE. |
| 22:05.53 | enouf | stew: hrm ... that sounds like much hassle... |
| 22:06.06 | enouf | er much _less_ hassle stew |
| 22:06.19 | enouf | bronaugh: it is |
| 22:06.22 | enouf | !bigmem |
| 22:06.23 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit. |
| 22:06.42 | bronaugh | and what's the caveat |
| 22:06.58 | enouf | another layer of VMM processing |
| 22:07.04 | enouf | AFAICT |
| 22:07.12 | bronaugh | hmm |
| 22:07.22 | bronaugh | so no overhead until you page fault, and then things get slightly more ugly. |
| 22:07.41 | enouf | bronaugh: PAE in general is generally considered a hack :-P |
| 22:07.48 | bronaugh | well; yeah :) |
| 22:07.53 | bronaugh | thus why I don't bother with 32-bit where I can avoid it. |
| 22:08.06 | stew | dpkg: bigmem=~s#limit.#limit (but with additional CPU overhead).# |
| 22:08.06 | dpkg | stew: i haven't a clue |
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| 22:08.26 | stew | (fixed in /msg) |
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| 22:09.01 | bronaugh | so here's an ugly question. |
| 22:09.10 | kittonian | hi all. how do I change the timezone on my server? I used tzselect and it's still the old timezone |
| 22:09.13 | bronaugh | how does >4GB RAM work on a 64-bit kernel running 32-bit apps? |
| 22:09.20 | kittonian | i also ran ntpdate restart and it's not changing |
| 22:09.22 | bronaugh | more an intellectual curiousity than anything else |
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| 22:10.48 | bronaugh | guessing it still has to map vid cards, etc, into the address space.. |
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| 22:10.59 | enouf | bronaugh: but then - see this :-P ahh crap, cant find the bookmark now with the URL from 1999 ish when linus said the linux kernel will never support over 2GB or 4GB on intel arch or something - he was like, if they won't move to 64bit, screw 'em |
| 22:11.13 | bronaugh | lol |
| 22:11.22 | bronaugh | not too surprised, really. |
| 22:11.32 | bronaugh | everyone really hoped ia32 would die an early death, but it didn't. |
| 22:11.38 | bronaugh | even Intel was kinda hoping |
| 22:12.02 | frostschutz | bronaugh: the 32bit app doesn't see >4GB if that's what you were asking |
| 22:12.11 | bronaugh | frostschutz: nah, that's obvious. |
| 22:12.32 | bronaugh | frostschutz: wondering about the edge cases -- such as, oh gee, what if we have >4GB of mmio area going on? |
| 22:12.51 | kittonian | got it. nevermind |
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| 22:13.30 | arcsky | i did apt-get remove freeradius --purge and installed it again but no new radiusd.conf |
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| 22:17.33 | lxdeman | hello! i just thought i would mention that i couldn't see any debian testing weekly links on the fileservers. Can anyone shine a light on this? thx |
| 22:18.38 | lxdeman | i cant do a netinstall on my 3g modem as i need wvdial, ppp and some libs etc and dont want to go back to lenny! thx |
| 22:18.49 | stew | lxdeman: check http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd or http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
| 22:19.26 | lxdeman | ill check again. nothing there earlier today. ill check now thx |
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| 22:23.56 | legend2440 | i am going to be installing Debian. i am downloading the netinst iso now. i have a quick question. is Debian like Ubuntu in that you have to wait six months for any significant upgrades to be available as opposed to something like Gentoo or Arch which are " rolling releases"? |
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| 22:24.41 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 22:24.42 | nkuttler | legend2440: if you run stable you have to wait, like, years |
| 22:25.10 | legend2440 | nkuttler: is testing safe to run? |
| 22:25.31 | nkuttler | legend2440: i wouldn't know. i'm happy with sid on my desktop. |
| 22:25.40 | adb | heh |
| 22:25.45 | dondelelcaro | legend2440: it can be, but it can also break hideously |
| 22:25.52 | nkuttler | legend2440: i ran testing eight years ago, and i hated to have to wait for fixes so long |
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| 22:26.10 | kevin01123 | Does anyone know what might be causing my system to freeze when coming back from a suspend? Running Lenny and using the xserver-xorg-video-intel. |
| 22:26.27 | nkuttler | kevin01123: try suspending from a console, not x |
| 22:27.00 | xaashi | Hi again, does anyone know of any pointers on how to build a bootable image from a small debian filesystem |
| 22:27.20 | adb | bootcd ? |
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| 22:27.40 | lxdeman | the sidux website is useful for new update notificaions on sid. also you can apt get notificaiton tools for packages. ill find the link |
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| 22:27.57 | legend2440 | ok thanks |
| 22:28.09 | xaashi | adb: yes a usb or cd boot |
| 22:28.35 | arcsky | if i remove a program wich i installted from apt-get why ist still alot of conf files left? |
| 22:28.46 | nkuttler | arcsky: you didn't purge it |
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| 22:28.53 | xaashi | arcsky: use purge |
| 22:29.05 | arcsky | apt-get remove freeradius --purge |
| 22:29.06 | arcsky | i did |
| 22:29.25 | adb | xaashi: apt-cache search bootcd |
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| 22:29.38 | xaashi | adb: aah, thank you |
| 22:29.44 | adb | np |
| 22:29.53 | lxdeman | is --purge like complete remove in synaptic? |
| 22:29.54 | nkuttler | arcsky: maybe the files belong to a different package... or they aren't really config files |
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| 22:30.26 | lxdeman | can you trigger it from synaptic? thx |
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| 22:32.45 | eseven73 | Hi are there any mirrors I can download the small CD from? The debian one is too slow |
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| 22:32.59 | eseven73 | only 58kb/s :/ |
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| 22:33.17 | adb | !mirrors |
| 22:33.17 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 22:34.14 | eseven73 | thanks |
| 22:34.14 | adb | np |
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| 22:34.14 | hikenboot | hello here is a web server plugin module for authentication question http://www.pastebin.ca/1446866 thanks for your help in advance |
| 22:35.18 | eseven73 | adb im only seeing packages, ill just stick with debian's mirror I guess |
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| 22:36.21 | lxdeman | eseven73, you on 3g bb? |
| 22:36.34 | lxdeman | mine its crap like that |
| 22:36.36 | adb | eseven73: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/ |
| 22:36.49 | eseven73 | nope, Comcast cable 20 mb/s line |
| 22:36.54 | adb | sorry for previous |
| 22:37.03 | eseven73 | adb that for the small cd? |
| 22:37.09 | adb | too |
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| 22:37.30 | adb | nope ;) |
| 22:37.37 | lxdeman | maybe they are hosting that server over a 3g mobile network! |
| 22:37.56 | eseven73 | oh that's the mirror im already on |
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| 22:38.13 | lxdeman | you can get a debian sid daily build netinstall. anyone tried it? thx |
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| 22:38.35 | adb | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 22:39.01 | lxdeman | i think its in a sid folder in dailys but says testing on the filename |
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| 22:39.42 | asulao | hello. problems getting xorg to work with old intel 82852 card. dpkg-reconfigure does not seem to work (almost blank xorg.conf) and Xorg -configure blanks screen. what other options do I have? |
| 22:40.10 | lxdeman | is it possible to do a netinstall on a 3g modem? thx |
| 22:40.12 | dondelelcaro | asulao: your xorg.conf should almost be blank. |
| 22:40.37 | asulao | shouldnt it have a device referring the intel model card? |
| 22:40.56 | dondelelcaro | lxdeman: |
| 22:40.57 | dondelelcaro | > |
| 22:40.57 | dondelelcaro | > Dear listmaster, |
| 22:40.57 | dondelelcaro | > |
| 22:41.01 | marvil07 | anynone knows what " wlan0: AP denied authentication (auth_alg=1 code=13)" line means .. bad password only? where I can find more info? |
| 22:41.07 | dondelelcaro | lxdeman: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q.3AHowdoIusenetinstoverPPP.3F |
| 22:41.23 | dondelelcaro | asulao: nope |
| 22:41.31 | lxdeman | fantastic. well done for that :) |
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| 22:41.45 | asulao | dondelelcaro, well X is terribly slow. what can I do? |
| 22:41.49 | dondelelcaro | asulao: xorg detects all of that automatically for you. |
| 22:41.52 | asulao | I supose it/s using vesa or something |
| 22:41.57 | dondelelcaro | asulao: does it actually work? |
| 22:42.00 | asulao | yeah |
| 22:42.09 | asulao | but very slow |
| 22:42.14 | asulao | not accel I guess |
| 22:42.15 | dondelelcaro | asulao: what bits of it are "very slow"? |
| 22:42.37 | asulao | well, everything. moving windows, resizing, etc. |
| 22:42.49 | nsadmin | if it's everything, how much ram do you have? |
| 22:43.06 | asulao | 1.5GB I think or so |
| 22:43.19 | nsadmin | wow, so a modern machine |
| 22:43.21 | adb | or cause of compiz |
| 22:43.29 | lxdeman | need driver? |
| 22:43.34 | nsadmin | oh, you're running compiz? |
| 22:43.40 | asulao | no |
| 22:44.08 | lxdeman | you using a free driver or manufacturers? |
| 22:44.25 | nsadmin | I'm stumpped... |
| 22:44.32 | asulao | debian driver |
| 22:44.44 | asulao | I think its in xserver/xorg/video/intel |
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| 22:44.50 | asulao | sorry / should be a - |
| 22:44.54 | asulao | keyboard is broken too |
| 22:45.00 | lxdeman | is that a free 2d only type thing or full 3d accel? |
| 22:45.14 | lxdeman | mmm 2d only? |
| 22:45.20 | asulao | xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 22:45.28 | lxdeman | thats a free driver |
| 22:45.36 | lxdeman | what gpu? |
| 22:45.40 | asulao | yep, the one that comes with debian normal install |
| 22:45.47 | lxdeman | gonna be crap then |
| 22:45.51 | dondelelcaro | asulao: see what Xorg log says. |
| 22:45.56 | asulao | 852 I guess? not sure really |
| 22:45.59 | dondelelcaro | it'll tell you what driver is actually being used. |
| 22:46.19 | lxdeman | is their a proper driver you can download? |
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| 22:47.01 | lxdeman | i find the xorg driver for nvidia the same as vesa speedwise. correct me if i am wrong |
| 22:47.20 | dondelelcaro | consider yourself corrected |
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| 22:48.29 | lxdeman | well i might test it with some cludge like vlc and that doesnt work well without the proper nvidia driver |
| 22:48.48 | stew | lxdeman: the free intel driver is certainly not crap, and is certainly not slow |
| 22:48.57 | stew | and is 3d accellerated |
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| 22:49.02 | stew | and not reverse engineered |
| 22:49.04 | lxdeman | ok. sorry |
| 22:49.46 | asulao | dondelelcaro, actually it just says intel 82852/855 rev 2 |
| 22:49.56 | asulao | I think, it-s rather large log |
| 22:50.19 | asulao | long |
| 22:50.23 | nsadmin | cat (thatfile) | pastebinit |
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| 22:50.47 | lxdeman | is it a shared memory setting you can change? |
| 22:51.31 | lxdeman | i know nothing about this chip. Seperate card or mainboard integrated? |
| 22:51.47 | nsadmin | asulao: cat (thatlonglogfile) | pastebinit |
| 22:51.52 | asulao | mainboard. laptop |
| 22:52.01 | asulao | old laptop |
| 22:52.12 | nsadmin | what cpu? |
| 22:52.15 | lxdeman | sometimes more memory helps |
| 22:52.30 | nsadmin | hes got 1.5g |
| 22:52.34 | lxdeman | if its shared then allocate more to video |
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| 22:53.11 | nsadmin | actually... |
| 22:53.25 | nsadmin | asulao: free | pastebinit |
| 22:53.30 | lxdeman | i must admit, the desktop should be fast enough even with 16mb or so, unless its vista! |
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| 22:54.05 | nsadmin | lxdeman: x would be dog slow, swapping all the time |
| 22:54.38 | asulao | pastebinit is used without args ? |
| 22:54.40 | \amethyst | nsadmin: think he means 16 MiB of video RAM |
| 22:54.50 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 22:55.17 | \amethyst | asulao: if used without args it reads from stdin and pastes to pastebin.com as a text file |
| 22:55.24 | nsadmin | the first time I ever ran X I had 4m of general ram |
| 22:55.40 | nsadmin | and "run" was a REALLY strong word... |
| 22:55.52 | asulao | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/f3271b632 |
| 22:55.53 | karsten | Awesome "how do I know if X PCI device is supported" article: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-find-supported-pci-hardware-drivers.html#more-4971 |
| 22:56.43 | nsadmin | ok guys, that's his X log |
| 22:56.51 | karsten | Use lspci + grep (identifier) /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
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| 22:57.10 | asulao | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/f23bc8894 |
| 22:57.19 | abrotman | karsten: you didn't know that? |
| 22:57.37 | lxdeman | i must admit, mac is the only accelerated window implementation that works glitch free, mainly becuase the mach kernel deals with resources very impressively, even for low latency audio and multitasking with cpu task manager all running simultaneously. no massive cpu bumps etc like you get with resource monitors such as gnome and htop. OSX even deals with that better than vista |
| 22:57.45 | abrotman | karsten: and he's really not doing it right |
| 22:57.57 | abrotman | karsten: and we haveL |
| 22:57.58 | abrotman | : |
| 22:58.02 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:27d8 |
| 22:58.03 | judd | abrotman: [8086:27d8] is '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27d8 |
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| 22:58.44 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 22:58.53 | asulao | amethyst, it doesnt. try cat whatever | pastebinit |
| 22:58.56 | abrotman | lxdeman: or maybe because apple tightly controls the market/the OS/the drivers? |
| 22:59.00 | abrotman | erm .. and the harware |
| 22:59.04 | abrotman | karsten: MOO!!!!!! |
| 22:59.12 | asulao | it tells me: Error no arguments specified! |
| 22:59.13 | nsadmin | asulao: you have plenty of ram and you're not swapping at all |
| 22:59.25 | nsadmin | far from it |
| 22:59.32 | asulao | yeah I know |
| 22:59.43 | lxdeman | having tried pc and mac and can say its the software |
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| 23:00.02 | lxdeman | they have mastered certain aspects, especially resource management and multimedia |
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| 23:00.16 | abrotman | lxdeman: you're missing the point .. Apple controls what hardware works with their system .. if Windows/Linux only had to support five cards, the support would probably be a lot better |
| 23:00.39 | asulao | nsadmin, so I guess everything is correct in that log right? looks like it uses intel driver |
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| 23:00.45 | karsten | abrotman: pciid == command? |
| 23:00.49 | lxdeman | its down to the device manufacturer |
| 23:00.50 | asulao | but graphics do not seem accelerated (2d) |
| 23:00.51 | abrotman | karsten: for judd .. yes |
| 23:00.55 | abrotman | lxdeman: no, it's not |
| 23:00.58 | karsten | abrotman: WTF is judd? |
| 23:01.10 | nsadmin | judd's our budd |
| 23:01.14 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:10de |
| 23:01.15 | judd | stew: [8086:10de] is '82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10de |
| 23:01.29 | karsten | abrotman: Ah: a bot. |
| 23:01.31 | stew | judd: danke |
| 23:01.31 | judd | stew: ne dankinde |
| 23:01.33 | eseven73 | oh no, I havent walked into another Mac Vs. Linux, Vs. Windows channel have I? |
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| 23:01.35 | abrotman | karsten: stew made us a special bot for the UDD .. and other things |
| 23:01.38 | lxdeman | take rme for instance, similar performance on both mac and pc, works on both |
| 23:01.46 | karsten | abrotman: UDD? |
| 23:01.49 | abrotman | !udd |
| 23:01.50 | dpkg | [udd] the "ultimate debian database", an effort to gather lots of useful information about debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant postgres database. see http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase |
| 23:01.50 | stew | i made us a special bot for the udd. themill made it do other things |
| 23:01.52 | karsten | is clearly behind the curve. |
| 23:02.11 | karsten | stew: Does the UDD have special cow powers? |
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| 23:02.16 | abrotman | stew: don't you want to watch ESPN? :) |
| 23:02.18 | stew | karsten: no, UDD is lame |
| 23:02.20 | karsten | Or would that be the UDD Enterprise Resource? |
| 23:02.24 | karsten | (UDDER) |
| 23:02.38 | nsadmin | eseven73: there's wars here all the time... NOT... they're usually handled well, no one "wars" much |
| 23:02.41 | stew | abrotman: uh i don't know? |
| 23:02.53 | lxdeman | the difference is in the management of resources. The hybrid kernel approach they have seems to be ideal combined with perfectly balanced stuff. coreaudio, quartz etc |
| 23:03.04 | eseven73 | nsadmin, lol ok. good to know :) |
| 23:03.06 | abrotman | still not getting it ... |
| 23:03.32 | llimeht | who me? |
| 23:04.01 | abrotman | not you |
| 23:04.17 | karsten | llimeht: Couldn't be. |
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| 23:04.26 | lxdeman | anyway, im getting more into linux. lxde is great for instance. not 100% but great still |
| 23:04.28 | karsten | *abrotman* stole the cookies from the cookie jar. |
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| 23:04.46 | lxdeman | superfast loading and snappy as microxp 0.82 :) |
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| 23:05.40 | asulao | lxdeman, yep, mac gfx are fast, but I want to use linux. |
| 23:05.53 | lxdeman | me too |
| 23:05.55 | asulao | what can I try to reconfigure my X to maybe detect it again or something? |
| 23:06.00 | lxdeman | using avlinux right now |
| 23:06.06 | lxdeman | its pretty dope |
| 23:06.15 | lxdeman | based on debian, of course :) |
| 23:06.30 | lxdeman | not crabuntu |
| 23:06.43 | asulao | dont like deb based linuxes. they shouldnt get the credit. |
| 23:06.51 | lxdeman | i like ubuntu but the kernels are not 100% compatable |
| 23:07.15 | lxdeman | man, its a familiarity thing |
| 23:07.20 | lxdeman | for me anyway |
| 23:07.34 | asulao | but deb is nice just as it is. why try another? |
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| 23:08.06 | lxdeman | my thought exactly! yum sound yum and emerge, well just a bit odd |
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| 23:08.37 | lxdeman | deb, at least they are talking about a women :) |
| 23:08.47 | antiwire | does anyone know if there is a set of tools to manipulate the LOM information on a SPARC that runs Debian 4.0 ? |
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| 23:10.02 | abrotman | antiwire: there's a sparc channel on OFTC i think |
| 23:10.15 | antiwire | abrotman: thank you |
| 23:10.35 | abrotman | antiwire: be patient, only 12 folk there |
| 23:10.40 | antiwire | hahaha |
| 23:10.58 | llimeht | one of whom is probably chanserv |
| 23:11.15 | asulao | well, its late already. my X should run faster that it does. will try again some other day. thanks for helping. |
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| 23:12.28 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:13.12 | lxdeman | good luk |
| 23:13.44 | lxdeman | wif ur x stuf asulao :) |
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| 23:14.52 | abrotman | lxdeman: he's not here anymore .. |
| 23:15.05 | lxdeman | Doh! i couldnt believe it when i read that unix was deisgned to work on computer with 16k of memory |
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| 23:15.26 | DeSian | can man access or see all ftp user to /home/www ? |
| 23:15.26 | lxdeman | quitter |
| 23:15.44 | DeSian | which log file rcorded all ftp login? |
| 23:15.45 | abrotman | lxdeman: have you tried #debian-offtopic ? |
| 23:15.54 | abrotman | can man access? |
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| 23:17.03 | DeSian | abrotman: srry, will to seeall FTP logs |
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| 23:18.00 | abrotman | DeSian: so you want your webserver to be able to access your ftp logs ? |
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| 23:18.08 | Schuenemann | netsplit! |
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| 23:18.41 | DeSian | abrotman: no, in my webserver i create some webuser under /home/www, and know will see the FTP logs from this webuser |
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| 23:19.08 | abrotman | DeSian: you want to see what the user uploads via ftp ? |
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| 23:19.27 | DeSian | yes exactly :) |
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| 23:20.42 | abrotman | DeSian: i don't know of any ftpd that tracks which files are uploaded .. you'd probably do better to ask the channel for your ftpd |
| 23:21.00 | DeSian | ok thnx again abrotman |
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| 23:22.20 | nsadmin | tomaw: interesting that not that many were here... |
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| 23:22.47 | llimeht | DeSian: you could use inotify or similar if all else fails to watch the uploads directory and log changes that way |
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| 23:23.21 | kreig | greetings. |
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| 23:23.34 | kreig | I am packaging a product we wrote, and have some questions about version numbers |
| 23:23.53 | kreig | specifically, we have a product version, as well as a revision |
| 23:24.25 | nsadmin | you could do: version-rev |
| 23:24.36 | kreig | currently we use v2.5.1-4411 (where v2.5.1 is our product version, and 4411 is the svn rev we built from) |
| 23:24.37 | DeSian | llimeht: srry, idont understand what you mean with "inotify" is a software for logs? |
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| 23:25.04 | kreig | Now, reading the policy guide, it seems the v in v2.5.1 is acceptable, but that is "should" start with a digit |
| 23:25.07 | nsadmin | probably the v shouldn't be there, it's already assumed it's a version |
| 23:25.12 | sparr | What sort of problems should I expect if I install stable, install KDE 3.5, pin and/or hold KDE at 3.5, then upgrade to unstable? |
| 23:25.30 | llimeht | DeSian: inotify is a library that uses the kernel to watch for changes to files or directory. e.g. inotifywatch for scripting but there are also other interfaces for perl, python, C etc/ |
| 23:25.51 | DeSian | ok thank u |
| 23:26.02 | nsadmin | sparr: one, that libc would be upgraded and then any x apps or x server that depends on that lib would be broken? |
| 23:26.02 | kreig | ok, then the remaining question I have, is it better to put the svn rev in the upstream_revision, or to keep it as is, and let the SVN revision basically become the "devian_revision" (to use the terms of the policy manual) |
| 23:26.02 | sparr | Assuming I find package incompatibilities, which seems quite likely, would anyone care about bug reports filed from a setup like that? |
| 23:26.10 | kreig | 2.5.1r4411 for example |
| 23:26.24 | kreig | and then have no debian_revision part |
| 23:26.40 | sparr | nsadmin: can multiple libc not coexist? |
| 23:26.54 | llimeht | kreig: the debian revision is only for changes to the packaging and should have the same source tarball. |
| 23:27.03 | nsadmin | sparr: not without a lot of work |
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| 23:27.27 | abrotman | sparr: why woudl you do such a silly thing? |
| 23:27.31 | dondelelcaro | kreig: in general, an svn revision is an upstream revision with a release |
| 23:27.32 | kreig | llimeht: my "debian" subdirs are in the repo, so changes there rev it |
| 23:27.33 | kukman | Hi. Where can I get packages for debian arm? |
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| 23:27.36 | nsadmin | but the result would just be more unstabler :) |
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| 23:27.51 | sparr | abrotman: because kde 4 is at least two more years away from being ready |
| 23:27.57 | llimeht | kreig: i.e. multiple attempts at packaging r4411 should all have the same "upstream" version but different "debian revisions". You should *not* have the debian dir in the upstream tarball. |
| 23:28.05 | abrotman | sparr: well, either stick with stable and kde3 or find another WM/DE |
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| 23:28.24 | kreig | llimeht: ok, but I don't ever make an upstream tarball |
| 23:28.25 | dondelelcaro | kukman: lots of mirrors carry the arm architecture; see the mirror list |
| 23:28.41 | sparr | i want kde 3. i want other more recent packages. if every packager did their job right, debian should be able to handle that, until i run into a real conflict |
| 23:28.43 | abrotman | sparr: i'm sure if you tried to pin kde3 and run unstable, and send in bugreports .. you'll just upset the DDs |
| 23:28.45 | kreig | we distribute only packages |
| 23:28.57 | abrotman | sparr: basically .. you're making their life difficult because you're being stubborn |
| 23:29.06 | dondelelcaro | kreig: well, you should also distribute tarballs too, for people who want to build from source |
| 23:29.10 | llimeht | kreig: if your package is potentially useful to anyone other than debian users (i.e not an internal debian tool) then it's not a native package, so it should have an "upstream version" and a "debian revision" separately. |
| 23:29.20 | nsadmin | well debian has something for every package called an "upstream tarball" |
| 23:29.24 | sparr | abrotman: but those are real bugs, if package X DEPENDS on Y>=2.4 and it really depends on 2.7, that's a bug that needs to be fixed |
| 23:29.43 | dondelelcaro | sparr: in some cases it's a bug, in some cases it's not. |
| 23:29.45 | llimeht | kreig: the upstream version should be comparable across different distros too, but what you do in packaging might not be. |
| 23:29.46 | kreig | yah, I understand the relation to the tarball, and the use of the upstream tarball |
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| 23:29.47 | abrotman | sparr: no they aren't .. kde3 has been removed from testing/unstable AFAIK .. so filing bugs against KDE3 stuff while running unstable .. not realyl valid |
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| 23:30.04 | abrotman | or most of it has been removed |
| 23:30.06 | dondelelcaro | sparr: if the only version we distribute meets that requirement, it's not necessary. |
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| 23:30.28 | abrotman | sparr: really, just find another DE/WM if you're really that unhappy with kde4 |
| 23:30.45 | llimeht | or even better, submit patches to kde4 to fix it |
| 23:30.46 | kreig | to clarify, and rationalize a bit, we target only debian, so I would consider it a debian native package |
| 23:30.54 | marzy | hello, i have some problem with 2 sata hdds. i have debian lenny minimal installed. do i have to load some kernelmodules? |
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| 23:31.07 | abrotman | what kind of problems? |
| 23:31.07 | nsadmin | kreig: first off... are you relesing source? |
| 23:31.11 | llimeht | kreig: very very few things really are native |
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| 23:31.28 | dondelelcaro | kreig: the reason why Debian native packages are generally a bad idea is because it makes it more difficult to see what someone has changed when they're NMUed and to separate the packaging from the actual upstream source |
| 23:31.30 | kreig | nsadmin: it's ruby, so the package itself is source |
| 23:31.58 | kreig | as I pointed out earlier, it's a product. |
| 23:32.07 | sparr | dondelelcaro: if joe average user is running 4-year-old Testing, and tries to upgrade a single package, and it doesnt pull in the right dependencies, that's a real current bug, no? |
| 23:32.20 | dondelelcaro | sparr: nope |
| 23:32.22 | kreig | we distribute a VM image with it installed, and then provide package updates |
| 23:32.24 | abrotman | sparr: but you have stuff pinned .. |
| 23:32.25 | nsadmin | is there any way you could revision the packaging stuff separate from the actual code? |
| 23:32.26 | marzy | lenny don't find the sata disks, there isn't any /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
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| 23:32.53 | dondelelcaro | sparr: we don't support upgrades that jump stable releases, which is exactly what you're trying to do |
| 23:32.59 | kreig | nsadmin: not currently, the whole thing is in the same SVN repo |
| 23:33.37 | nsadmin | I suppose you could do it this way... |
| 23:33.48 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.49 | kreig | hmm, it seems that 2.5.1r4411 would be better than |
| 23:33.50 | dondelelcaro | sparr: it's perfectly fine if a maintainer fixes such issues, but it's certainly not something we're looking for or even care about whether it works or not |
| 23:33.59 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.02 | kreig | and have no debian revision |
| 23:34.04 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.16 | kreig | nsadmin: yah, I could do it that way |
| 23:34.18 | dondelelcaro | kreig: hrm... isn't 2.5.1 your release? |
| 23:34.32 | kreig | nsadmin: however, our build process is automated so it would be a real pain 8) |
| 23:34.33 | llimeht | kreig: It sounds like your versioning scheme is a bit unusual... what's the point of having both the version number and the svn rev in the version number? |
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| 23:34.43 | kreig | dondelecaro: yup |
| 23:34.49 | nsadmin | that might be the way least intrusive to your process |
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| 23:35.05 | dondelelcaro | kreig: then your version would just be 2.5.1-1 or so, with an orig.tar.gz without the debian, and a diff.gz that shoves the debian bit in |
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| 23:35.21 | dondelelcaro | kreig: it's pretty trivial to arrange to do that in an automated fashion in your build process |
| 23:35.27 | kreig | dondelelcaro: yah, it is a bit weird IMO, and it's possible that we could ditch the svn rev entirely |
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| 23:35.40 | nsadmin | and still compatible should the package be added to debian proper |
| 23:35.53 | kreig | dondelelcaro: the reason I had the svn rev was to know exactlye what I build |
| 23:35.55 | dondelelcaro | kreig: and if for some reason you wanted daily builds, you could do things like 2.5.1-1~r4411 |
| 23:36.04 | llimeht | kreig: that's what branches are for |
| 23:36.11 | dondelelcaro | kreig: you should know because you should tag it when you release. |
| 23:36.23 | kreig | dondelelcaro: we do |
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| 23:36.31 | marzy | lenny don't find the sata disks, there isn't any /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
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| 23:37.02 | nsadmin | marzy: you trying to install? |
| 23:37.33 | marzy | i have installed lenny on a ide drive |
| 23:37.34 | dondelelcaro | kreig: then for testing-only purposes, you can have the 2.5.1-1~rNNNN.yyyy.mm.dd (or similar) builds which track your svn repository when you haven't made a release. |
| 23:37.37 | kreig | dondelelcaro: ok, so you are suggesting the svn rev (if I include it in a daily build) should be in the debian_revision |
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| 23:37.55 | dondelelcaro | kreig: depends on what's changing, really. |
| 23:37.57 | marzy | known as /dev/hda |
| 23:37.59 | nsadmin | oh, ok, so you have an installation already |
| 23:38.12 | nsadmin | you want to add sata storage |
| 23:38.16 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 23:38.29 | marzy | yes |
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| 23:38.41 | llimeht | kreig: if it's only debian/ that's changing, then the svn revision would be in the debian revision, but if it's the main program that's changing, then that's really a new "upstream" version. |
| 23:38.43 | nsadmin | ok, uname -r? |
| 23:38.57 | marzy | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 23:39.02 | kreig | yup |
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| 23:39.05 | dondelelcaro | kreig: if you're changing the main source code in addition to the debian revision stuff, then I'd do something like 2.5.1+rNNNN-2~rNNNN.yyyy.mm.dd or similar |
| 23:39.11 | llimeht | kreig: keeping the svn rev out of it would be simplest though... |
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| 23:39.35 | kreig | the only reason I had the svn rev, was for testing, to that testers could just update the package on their testing VM |
| 23:39.37 | dondelelcaro | kreig: and I'd personally actually separate out the debian packaging bits and the usptream svn |
| 23:39.40 | nsadmin | the assumption I'm presently going on is your hardware is supported and it just needs a modprobe |
| 23:39.56 | sparr | dondelelcaro: elaborate on "jumps stable releases"? i would be starting with current stable |
| 23:39.59 | llimeht | kreig: and thinking in terms of upstream and debian packaging will also help you a lot. Just imagine when you also want to support RHEL or Ubuntu or something... |
| 23:40.05 | nsadmin | (just a guess, but it should be the first guess) |
| 23:40.23 | dondelelcaro | sparr: if your testing is four years old, it predates etch. |
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| 23:40.35 | nsadmin | lspci | pastebinit |
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| 23:40.57 | nsadmin | ask that in the channel... I'm not yet totally familiar with libata |
| 23:41.11 | ksnp | hi, how can i give root permissions to a new user : if i do adduser it creates a new user - how can set him to belong to group root ? |
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| 23:41.29 | dondelelcaro | ksnp: you don't; use sudo to grant them permissions. |
| 23:41.56 | marzy | http://pastebin.com/m620d3815 |
| 23:42.25 | sparr | dondelelcaro: sorry, that was a contrived example |
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| 23:44.01 | dondelelcaro | sparr: to put it in more concrete terms, if it's not a bug that would be seen on an upgrade from the current stable to the current testing (and presumably, testing releases in between) it's generally not worth bothering with. |
| 23:44.01 | nsadmin | looks like the only disk controller you have is mentioned on line 14 |
| 23:44.05 | sparr | dondelelcaro: pinning may produce unusual situations more easily, but it shouldn't produce any situation that couldn't be arrived at without pinning but with less plausible package installation/upgrade orders |
| 23:44.21 | kreig | nsadmin, dondelelcaro, llimeht: thanx for the advice |
| 23:44.26 | nsadmin | maybe if you have a sata, it's turned off in the bios? |
| 23:44.26 | sparr | i really really don't want to install gentoo :( |
| 23:44.34 | sparr | id rather do a lot of work to make debian work for me |
| 23:44.59 | dondelelcaro | sparr: regardless, discussing things in abstract is a waste of time. What's the actual problem? |
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| 23:45.27 | llimeht | sparr: pinning is about new and creative ways of breaking your machine. No-one is going to spend their time solving bugs that you create for yourself with pinning |
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| 23:46.23 | sparr | I have lots of issues with KDE4, it has cost me ridiculous amounts of productivity since debian and ubuntu (i've used both since then) upgraded. I need to go back to KDE3, but I install cutting edge packages all the time so just running debian stable or ubuntu LTS is not an option. |
| 23:46.44 | marzy | yes, i have a ide controller, but where is the sata controller? |
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| 23:47.20 | llimeht | sparr: "I want cutting edge" but "I don't want cutting edge" is a difficult feat to pull off. |
| 23:47.32 | kreig | is there a tool or a document describing exactly how versions are compared. The policy manual is insufficient |
| 23:47.40 | kreig | specifically |
| 23:47.41 | llimeht | !compare versions |
| 23:47.49 | sparr | llimeht: yes, but one tha apt is singularly capable of accomplishingt de |
| 23:47.57 | llimeht | !version compare |
| 23:47.58 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 23:48.01 | llimeht | kreig: ^^ |
| 23:48.13 | kreig | thanx so much |
| 23:48.33 | dondelelcaro | kreig: the policy manual actually explains is completely, but it is a bit difficult to understand if you haven't seen it before. |
| 23:48.58 | dondelelcaro | (some things like ~, for example, only make sense if you've read policy) |
| 23:49.10 | kreig | ah, ok |
| 23:49.24 | kreig | what didn't see was that is is a string comparison |
| 23:49.30 | kreig | I saw how it broke it down and all |
| 23:49.40 | llimeht | kreig: you have to think it through algorithmically as a set of substrings.... |
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| 23:50.40 | kreig | yup |
| 23:50.53 | kreig | flashbacks to my first packages in 1998 8^) |
| 23:51.04 | varlon | hi, I try to use jackd on debian sid, so, launch of /usr/bin/jackd -R -d alsa is failed. I'm googling and all bugreports fallow to asoundconf, but in my repos asoundconf is missing. So, asoundconf deprecated or wtf? what I must to do for using jack? |
| 23:51.56 | kreig | hmm |
| 23:52.02 | kreig | it seems like what i would really want is: |
| 23:53.14 | nsadmin | varlon: why did it fail? |
| 23:53.18 | kreig | for real releases: 2.5.1 and for internal testing releases 2.5.1~r4411 |
| 23:53.38 | kreig | that way, the real release always wins, and I can have an ordering for my internal testing releases |
| 23:53.44 | llimeht | kreig: yes, that's a very common use of ~ |
| 23:53.58 | varlon | nsadmin, http://dpaste.com/51224/ |
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| 23:54.23 | bododo | howdy boys and girls |
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| 23:54.26 | ma3x | hi |
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| 23:54.49 | bododo | :) |
| 23:55.07 | ma3x | can anyone help me with this? I'm trying to compile ipw3945, but here are the errors I get http://paste.debian.net/37989/ Am I doing something wrong? |
| 23:55.44 | bronaugh | why not use ipw3945-modules-2.6-amd64? |
| 23:55.46 | llimeht | ma3x: you can't use ipw3945 with kernels after 2.6.23 |
| 23:56.00 | llimeht | dpkg: tell ma3x about iwlwifi |
| 23:56.10 | ma3x | llimeht: do you know where can i get patch for kernels before 2.6.23? |
| 23:56.11 | nsadmin | varlon: hmm, never seen that... one thing you can do is /join #alsa and give them that too |
| 23:56.22 | bronaugh | oh, cute. news to me :) |
| 23:56.27 | varlon | nsadmin, ok, thanks |
| 23:56.31 | ma3x | llimeht: i can't use iwlwifi, it's so slow (the so known god damn iwl3945 project says it all) |
| 23:57.00 | llimeht | most people find exactly the opposite |
| 23:57.00 | nsadmin | varlon: presumably the devs will know what's up... it just looks like something's missing to me |
| 23:57.37 | bododo | is there something lighter, configurable than acn replace gdm? (tried slim, but I'm not satisfied) |
| 23:57.50 | bododo | s/acn/gdm |
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| 23:58.20 | varlon | nsadmin, I tnink that I must setup /etc/alsa.conf or ~/.asondrc, but I don't know syntax and haven't asoundconf |
| 23:58.22 | bododo | wonders how someone could type acn instead of gdm |
| 23:58.28 | abrotman | bododo: debtags search x11::display-manager |
| 23:58.31 | nsadmin | or s/than acn/that can/? |
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| 23:58.44 | bododo | yes! :D |
| 23:58.48 | bododo | I'm a double idiot |
| 23:58.59 | bododo | I thought I typed acn instead of gdm |
| 23:59.02 | nsadmin | bododobododo? |
| 23:59.10 | bododo | 'bout time! |
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