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| 00:02.38 | fedya | got an install question: when it asks me to partition it says something about an LVM error. i'm guessing it can't remove the existing partitions to create new ones |
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| 00:04.47 | dmajnem2 | is there any way to make x-terminal-emulator be per user? |
| 00:05.10 | the_plumber | Aaargh - 131 files could not be downloaded. for debian-30r0-i386-binary-1.iso.tmp from http://archive.debian.org/debian/, what TODO? |
| 00:05.17 | the_plumber | using jigdo |
| 00:05.54 | maligor | you're trying to build 3.0r0? |
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| 00:05.58 | the_plumber | yeah |
| 00:06.06 | the_plumber | many files not found |
| 00:06.15 | maligor | woody release 0? |
| 00:06.17 | the_plumber | yeah |
| 00:06.27 | maligor | I doubt they exist in most mirrors anymore, heh |
| 00:06.45 | the_plumber | where is there a reliable place to get it? |
| 00:06.50 | the_plumber | official |
| 00:07.11 | the_plumber | i am suprised, the jigdo files are there but command packages are not in the pool |
| 00:07.20 | the_plumber | like bash |
| 00:07.28 | the_plumber | just not there |
| 00:07.39 | the_plumber | while the newer one are of course there |
| 00:08.08 | the_plumber | isnt that why its called "archive"? |
| 00:09.28 | the_plumber | so this --> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/jigdo/3.0_r0/i386/ shouldnt even be there? |
| 00:10.01 | simonrvn | it says archive for a reason |
| 00:10.07 | the_plumber | whats the use of dling 50 meg of files for jigdo, just to dl 600 meg of nothing for nothing? |
| 00:10.09 | the_plumber | not to rant |
| 00:11.39 | the_plumber | exactly, but the servers dont seem to have the packages for the archives |
| 00:12.12 | simonrvn | should be using etch.... |
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| 00:12.25 | the_plumber | i want the archives though |
| 00:12.28 | the_plumber | i have etch |
| 00:12.38 | the_plumber | im not just a user of the newest os |
| 00:13.09 | ddalton | hey whats the command to make dpkg tell me how to clone a system using apt? |
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| 00:13.42 | wm4 | are there any "half official" packages for kernel 2.6.27? |
| 00:13.54 | streuner | sure |
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| 00:14.18 | wm4 | where can I find them? e.g. I looked in debian "experimental", but found nothing |
| 00:14.23 | streuner | why do think you need 2.6.27? |
| 00:14.44 | wm4 | because 2.6.27 fixed a very trivial bug, which has been long known in 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 |
| 00:15.04 | wm4 | as trivial as this bug is, it makes it impossible for me to use these kernels |
| 00:15.21 | wm4 | here, if anyone is curious: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495271 |
| 00:15.41 | streuner | !dbugs 495271 |
| 00:15.45 | dpkg | #495271:I[linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64] linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64: PATA HD not detected with Intel ICH9 and Marvel 88SE6121 chipsets (); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:51:02 UTC [] |
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| 00:15.52 | streuner | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel |
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| 00:17.03 | wm4 | thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 00:20.21 | illio | Do any of you know any good project management web applications available through aptitude? .. I need something for project management, task management and time management - preferably fairly easy to use.. |
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| 00:20.25 | jhambo | roughly how long should kernel compilation take on a 1.6 GHz? |
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| 00:21.39 | jhambo | illio: I saw lots of stuff like that when I did `apt-cache search calendar` |
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| 00:21.45 | jhambo | phpgroupware |
| 00:21.52 | streuner | just use an official kernel, if you have not a very good reason... |
| 00:22.10 | mavior | quit |
| 00:22.13 | illio | jhambo, hmm I'll look into that.. thanks |
| 00:23.26 | jhambo | streuner: by official, do you mean in debian? 'cause i need to get 2.6.27 but I don't believe that is in debian |
| 00:23.48 | wm4 | huh, that's what I just asked |
| 00:23.54 | streuner | no, but snapshots |
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| 00:24.20 | jhambo | ahhh yeah |
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| 00:30.14 | twobitsprite | I installed the kqemu-common package, but I don't have a kqemu kernel module |
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| 00:34.51 | rebecka | twobitsprite: you'll have to compile it /usr/src is the place to look. |
| 00:35.34 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: module-assistant auto-install kqemu |
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| 00:40.11 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: awesome, thanks |
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| 00:40.47 | wm4 | how do I remove all packages related to some old kernel version? it seems I have to remove them all separately, e.g. apt-get remove e.g. remove linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 00:41.52 | bipolar | I tried... really tried... to make sure I didn't use any custom or unoffical packages with my etch servers. Now I'm upgrading to Lenny, and I regret not trying harder. :P |
| 00:42.58 | dustybin | could anyone recommend a easy to install half decent packet sniffer? |
| 00:43.17 | twobitsprite | wm4: dpkg -l | grep ' linux-' ... |
| 00:43.56 | \amethyst | wm4: perhaps aptitude remove "*-2.6.22-3-*" |
| 00:44.02 | hesco | not debian specific, perhaps, but can anyone please advise how to upload an entire directory of material with an ftp put command? |
| 00:44.28 | twobitsprite | don't most ftp clients allow globbing? |
| 00:44.32 | \amethyst | hesco: use mput directory/* instead of put |
| 00:44.39 | wm4 | hm ok... would be nice though, if there'd be a metapackage from that all kernel packages of a specific kernel version depend |
| 00:44.41 | twobitsprite | ohh yeah, mput |
| 00:45.01 | \amethyst | hesco: if you need to do so recursively, use a client with a recursive put "command" (lftp for example) |
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| 00:45.43 | hesco | \amethyst: thanks. that's helpful |
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| 00:46.24 | twobitsprite | mput always makes me think of a redneck trying to say "input" |
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| 00:48.41 | \amethyst | I guess the in- in "input" failed to assimilate because it's a modern (18th century) coinage rather than a borrowing from Latin |
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| 00:49.48 | \amethyst | I guess it's the english word "in" rather than the Latin prefix |
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| 00:50.56 | maelcum | hi. can i reach a gcc packager somewhere on irc? |
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| 00:51.23 | maelcum | i think i've found some interesting information about a cross compilation problem in 4.3... |
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| 00:52.34 | twobitsprite | damn... I hate it when I need to get kernel headers and the kernel I'm running has been depricated by debian |
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| 00:52.52 | boulbul | hi every one...can you please help...everytime I try to upgrade via apt-get I get the following error:http://pastebin.com/m772e5ca0 .... |
| 00:53.32 | wm4 | so I managed to install a 2.6.27 kernel with "deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main" in sources.list... but I miss that kbuild thing for 2.6.27 |
| 00:53.52 | xsdg | maelcum: #gcc? |
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| 00:54.52 | \amethyst | maelcum: you might try the official Debian channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:54.53 | wm4 | e.g. "apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.27-1-686" fails with "The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-headers-2.6.27-1-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.27 but it is not installable" |
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| 00:55.25 | wm4 | "apt-get install linux-kbuild-2.6.27" => "E: Package linux-kbuild-2.6.27 has no installation candidate" |
| 00:55.30 | twobitsprite | wm4: builderserver.net is not an official debian repo, afaik |
| 00:55.46 | wm4 | twobitsprite: well, as long as it has kernel 2.6.27... |
| 00:55.46 | \amethyst | boulbul: it's not able to stop postgres... you might try killing the postgres and postmaster processes by hand then trying again |
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| 00:56.18 | twobitsprite | wm4: well... my point is that we only support Debian in here, not some guys hacked up repo |
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| 00:56.30 | twobitsprite | if you have problems with that repo, take it up with them |
| 00:56.57 | wm4 | twobitsprite: so where do I get "good" 2.6.27 packages= |
| 00:57.10 | twobitsprite | why do you need it? |
| 00:57.29 | wm4 | twobitsprite: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495271 |
| 00:57.52 | wm4 | twobitsprite: this bug it forces me to use 2.6.24, but 2.6.24 has some problems as well |
| 00:58.57 | twobitsprite | wm4: ahh... well. Point remains that you can't expect us to know what some other repo's packages don't work |
| 00:59.22 | twobitsprite | s/what/why |
| 00:59.35 | hesco | \amethyst: one more if I may . . . is there a way to tell mput not to prompt me for each file put in ftp? |
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| 00:59.47 | hellues | !paste |
| 00:59.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:00.00 | twobitsprite | hellues: you can /msg the bots |
| 01:00.06 | wm4 | also, I don't understand why the debian maintainers won't fix that bug... it's not like it's hard to fix |
| 01:00.13 | hellues | sorry |
| 01:00.17 | twobitsprite | wm4: lenny is frozen |
| 01:00.27 | wm4 | twobitsprite: even for bug fixes? |
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| 01:00.56 | wm4 | fixing that bug actually only requires a two lines change, not a new version |
| 01:00.57 | twobitsprite | is it listed as a critical bug? version changes only happen right now for critical bugs |
| 01:01.14 | twobitsprite | wm4: well, then I don't know... e-mail the package maintainers |
| 01:01.24 | wm4 | it#s a turn-your-harddisk-into-a-brick bug |
| 01:01.42 | wm4 | yeah, I should do that |
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| 01:04.07 | boulbul | \amethyst: thanks for the help...I have tried that...but I am still getting an error.... |
| 01:04.35 | maelcum | \amethyst: thanks, i'll try that |
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| 01:05.32 | rhineheart_m | I tried to do telnet in my machine.. but it says -bash: telnet: command not found |
| 01:05.32 | rhineheart_m | (IS telnet a separate package?) |
| 01:06.43 | wm4 | so does anyone know other unofficial kernel builds for linux 2.6.27? |
| 01:06.55 | boulbul | <\amethyst>: how do I know that no process for postges and postmaster is running? |
| 01:06.58 | boulbul | please |
| 01:07.57 | twobitsprite | rhineheart_m: aptitude install telnet |
| 01:08.23 | twobitsprite | boulbul: ps ax | grep postgres |
| 01:09.02 | rhineheart_m | twobitsprite, thanks.. that's worth |
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| 01:10.12 | jhambo | wm4: you don't want to compile it? |
| 01:11.24 | wm4 | jhambo: how, if 2.6.27 isn't supported? |
| 01:11.24 | boulbul | <twobitsprite>: thanks for that ...I am getting this error still: http://pastebin.com/m79daa4c1 |
| 01:12.44 | twobitsprite | boulbul: sounds like you broke something |
| 01:13.00 | jhambo | !tell wm4 about kernel compile |
| 01:13.21 | boulbul | <twobitsprite>:is ther any way to fix? |
| 01:13.45 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: so, I did the module-assistant thing with kqemu, but now qemu complains about a version mismatch between it and kqemu... |
| 01:13.51 | jhambo | wm4: and get the source from kernel.org... |
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| 01:14.12 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: what version of the kqemu module did that install? is your qemu package up-to-date (and from the same distribution?) |
| 01:14.15 | twobitsprite | boulbul: I don't know... sounds like something is wrong with postgres |
| 01:14.35 | Lectus | Hello! After reinstalling Windows I lost GRUB. How can I reinstall it so I can boot debian again? Thanks |
| 01:14.38 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: "Version mismatch between kqemu module and qemu (00010400 00010300) - disabling kqemu use" ... |
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| 01:14.55 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: also, yes and yes (up-to-date, same distro) |
| 01:14.58 | wm4 | jhambo: will that work with modul-assistant? will it break other parts of the debian package because no debian specific patches are applied? |
| 01:15.06 | wm4 | s/package/system/ |
| 01:15.16 | boulbul | <twobitsprite>: thanks for the help anyway |
| 01:15.27 | twobitsprite | boulbul: no problem... might have better luck in #postgres |
| 01:15.35 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: dpkg -l qemu kqemu-modules-$(uname -r) to check the versions |
| 01:16.00 | jhambo | wm4: I believe it will be okay but I'm no expert. I'm doing it right now so I hope it works. Probably someone else here can give their two cents... |
| 01:16.02 | wm4 | Lectus: start grub on the commandline, start with "help root" |
| 01:16.05 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: definately different versions |
| 01:16.26 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: yeah, I just noticed that the version number schemes aren't compatible |
| 01:16.37 | twobitsprite | yeah, I'm thinking so aswell |
| 01:17.00 | wm4 | jhambo: sure, I'll try it as well, but I fear this will be another failed attempt... especially I'm using 2.6.27 right now, and I'm not able to use module-assistant |
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| 01:17.13 | wm4 | jhambo: so it is probably completely pointless |
| 01:17.21 | jhambo | wm4: where'd you get the 2.6.27 from? |
| 01:17.35 | wm4 | jhambo: "deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main" |
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| 01:19.42 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: ahhh http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500152 |
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| 01:20.26 | rhineheart_m | Lectus, what's your PC specs? |
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| 01:21.28 | Lectus | actually, I'm trying to help my girlfriend with this... I've done this before on arch linux... just need to know how to do this with a debian CD... I'll ask her about the specs (partitions, etc).. |
| 01:21.54 | jhambo | wm4: so module-assistant fails in general or just fails to build something specific? |
| 01:22.04 | adb | !tell Lectus about rescue mode |
| 01:22.14 | wm4 | jhambo: no kbuild package available, can't install the kernel-headers package |
| 01:23.09 | adb | !! linux-headers package |
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| 01:28.07 | wm4 | why does make-kpkg ask for kernel configuration, if I just did make menuconfig? |
| 01:28.40 | hesco | I can connect to a site using ftp, but every other ftp client I use I get a 'Login authentication failed' message. I'm copying and pasting the same password I use with the ftp cli tool. I need something that will upload recursively without prompting for confirmation on each and every file. |
| 01:28.58 | hellues | are there a channel for dia |
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| 01:29.01 | hellues | ? |
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| 01:30.21 | jhambo | wm4: I'm just folling /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz and it seems to be working... |
| 01:30.37 | dob1 | it is possibile to put a quote on a directory? |
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| 01:32.32 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: I need to be smacked... I had unstable in my sources... |
| 01:33.41 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: added APT::Default-Release "testing"; to my apt.conf, reinstalled kqemu-source and re-ran module-assistant... works fine |
| 01:34.03 | belltrump | jump |
| 01:34.11 | belltrump | get down. now dance |
| 01:34.13 | belltrump | wooooo! |
| 01:34.23 | belltrump | ... wrong chan |
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| 01:35.25 | hellues | are there a spesific channel for dia |
| 01:35.38 | twobitsprite | diagnostics? |
| 01:35.46 | twobitsprite | or, the drawing program? |
| 01:35.50 | hellues | dia vector editor |
| 01:35.54 | hellues | drawing program |
| 01:35.58 | hellues | yes |
| 01:36.05 | twobitsprite | I would try #dia |
| 01:36.13 | hellues | no |
| 01:36.15 | hellues | none here |
| 01:36.29 | twobitsprite | then I don't know |
| 01:36.30 | beardy | So just ask. |
| 01:36.32 | hellues | do you use dia |
| 01:36.35 | hellues | okey |
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| 01:36.40 | hellues | i draw er diagram |
| 01:36.48 | beardy | !enter |
| 01:36.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:36.56 | hellues | appereantly dia has plugins for er diagram |
| 01:36.59 | hellues | but |
| 01:37.05 | hellues | i can choose |
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| 01:37.09 | hellues | this plugins |
| 01:37.16 | hellues | sorry for enter |
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| 01:37.45 | hellues | do you know how to enable er plugins for dia |
| 01:38.16 | hellues | pls someone help me |
| 01:38.37 | wm4 | what are debian kernel patches for (as in what patches are actually applied and what do they do), or where can I read about it? |
| 01:39.33 | dob1 | hellues: i don't know how to help you, but on dia site there is a malining list, try to ask there |
| 01:39.59 | twobitsprite | wm4: you can look at the source package for one of the kernels |
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| 01:43.15 | Mxldr | Is there any kind of linux for my blackberry? |
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| 01:43.45 | Mxldr | Anyon here from the east bay? |
| 01:43.59 | Mxldr | !permasunday |
| 01:43.59 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 01:44.26 | wm4 | first it was summer, how it is sunday? |
| 01:44.49 | Mxldr | It just is, bro |
| 01:45.08 | Mxldr | I am chatting on my blackberry. |
| 01:45.36 | Mxldr | Wm4: believe in permasunday |
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| 01:46.07 | Mxldr | Where are the ops? |
| 01:46.15 | swankier | when using strace, how do I get it to display full calls, not not use the ellipsis (...) |
| 01:46.37 | Mxldr | rtfm |
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| 01:46.43 | Mxldr | lol |
| 01:47.04 | Mxldr | did you read the man page first? |
| 01:47.06 | dondelelcaro | swankier: strace -s .... |
| 01:47.09 | Mxldr | lol |
| 01:47.25 | swankier | Mxldr: very useful. thank you for your attention. |
| 01:47.28 | swankier | dondelelcaro: cheers mate! |
| 01:47.52 | Mxldr | you know I'm useful. My did coke. |
| 01:47.57 | dondelelcaro | but yes, see the manpage |
| 01:48.32 | Mxldr | my mom did cocaine. Seriously. That's why I have add. |
| 01:49.15 | swankier | dondelelcaro: the option wasn't obvious to me, thank you for the pointer. |
| 01:49.17 | Mxldr | but seriously, you know many times I came in here and people blew me off and said read the man page. Debian showin me no love. |
| 01:49.28 | swankier | Mxldr: keep up the good work! |
| 01:49.58 | Mxldr | I will! I'm getting a phd in math! |
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| 01:51.40 | wm4 | kernel compilation really takes long |
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| 01:52.33 | wm4 | and apparently make-kpkg doesn't support parallelized builds |
| 01:53.12 | jhambo | wm4: yeah I've been going over an hour now (1.6 GHz)... |
| 01:53.16 | wm4 | oh wait, there's CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 01:53.24 | wm4 | this is probably what I want |
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| 01:53.53 | simonrvn | yes it is. sets the -j XX flag |
| 01:54.29 | wm4 | it's just that you must not specify -j directly |
| 01:55.04 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 02:03.13 | stoned | hey |
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| 02:03.23 | stoned | whats up |
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| 02:03.47 | c_newbie | hi |
| 02:03.51 | wm4 | how do I recursively remove all files and directories in the working directory, that start with . but are not . or .. ? |
| 02:04.58 | dondelelcaro | wm4: find . -type f -o -type d -iname '.*' -not -iname ..' -not -iname '.' -exec rm '{} +'; |
| 02:05.21 | dondelelcaro | well, obviously you'll want to do that using rm -r, but you';ll figure that out. |
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| 02:06.29 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: that also removes files like somedirectory/.hidden |
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| 02:06.53 | bickr | hello |
| 02:07.03 | Thumpity | installed xfce4, trying to create a shortcut to launch gtypist... what command do I use? I tried xfce4-terminal gtypist, and just gtypist. neither seem to work... if I open a terminal and type gtypist it works just fine |
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| 02:07.29 | dondelelcaro | wm4: sure... |
| 02:07.57 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: somedirectory is in the current working directory, but it doesn't start with . heh |
| 02:08.07 | dondelelcaro | wm4: and ... it doesn't get removed. |
| 02:08.30 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: oh, in my tests (with echo instead of rm) it did |
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| 02:08.42 | dondelelcaro | that file will, but the directory won't |
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| 02:09.16 | wm4 | well ok, but .hidden is not in the current working directory |
| 02:09.17 | dustybin | anybody know what switch to use so ettercap comes up with a nice ncurses interface? |
| 02:09.18 | Thumpity | not sure what to put in the command field in the properties for the shortcut |
| 02:09.41 | Thumpity | googled it... didn't see it |
| 02:09.46 | nullboy | dustybin: man ettercap |
| 02:09.55 | dustybin | nullboy: its too long lol |
| 02:09.58 | nullboy | ... |
| 02:10.00 | dondelelcaro | wm4: but somefile is |
| 02:10.10 | dondelelcaro | wm4: if you want to do something different, see --maxdepth and --mindepth |
| 02:10.14 | nullboy | dustybin: if you won't read to help yourself why should anyone else help you? |
| 02:10.20 | Thumpity | anybody know how to create a shortcut to launch an app that run in terminal |
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| 02:10.30 | dondelelcaro | wm4: info coreutils find; for more details; |
| 02:10.57 | dondelelcaro | Thumpity: x-terminal-emulator -e fooprogram; |
| 02:11.07 | Thumpity | thank you |
| 02:11.26 | dustybin | nullboy: im drunk! i found it, -C |
| 02:11.33 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: yes and thank you (--maxdepth will help), it's just that your original suggestion was slightly incorrect (but helpful) |
| 02:11.49 | Thumpity | perfect |
| 02:11.52 | Thumpity | thanks agin |
| 02:11.54 | Thumpity | again |
| 02:12.49 | dondelelcaro | wm4: it does precisely what I wanted it to do; if your problem specification wasn't clear, that's not my problem. |
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| 02:14.09 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: I admit that my problem specification was possibly ambiguous in this case |
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| 02:15.53 | wm4 | I used make-kpkg to build a custom kernel... but the package doesn't contain any headers! how do I create a linux-headers-2.6.27 package for my kernel? |
| 02:16.21 | dondelelcaro | wm4: make-kpkg kernel_headers; |
| 02:16.29 | wm4 | oh... |
| 02:18.52 | streuner_ | if the hardware doesnt fit to your system, why not change hardware? |
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| 02:19.11 | streuner_ | its much easier as long it isnt a notebook :-) |
| 02:19.12 | wm4 | of course, module-assistant fails with the nvidia driver |
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| 02:20.30 | streuner_ | using a 2.6.24 atm, because no newer kernel supports the soundcard... |
| 02:21.05 | wm4 | OSS based driver? |
| 02:21.13 | streuner_ | well, and it *IS* a notebook ;-) |
| 02:21.19 | streuner_ | no |
| 02:21.45 | wm4 | there exists a driver, but it doesn't work because of a regression? |
| 02:22.17 | streuner_ | you did ask to solve YOUR problems, not mine :-) |
| 02:23.00 | streuner_ | but i like free software, to tell you a secret ;-) |
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| 02:23.35 | wm4 | me too, even though I'm annoyed by it every day |
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| 02:30.36 | c_newbie | hi, anyone has success to make stream_socket_client working under debian 64 bit? |
| 02:32.40 | infinity1 | i'm tryiung to uninstall evms. i converted all the volumes to compatibility volumes, but i can't get them activated with mdadm |
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| 02:38.52 | Octalot | c_newbie: as in a basic TCP or unix domain stream? Yes. |
| 02:39.39 | Octalot | in C and Perl, which application are you using? |
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| 02:40.16 | wm4 | the first time after a year, my system runs well again |
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| 02:48.37 | Gun_Smoke | I'm trying to figure out why aptitude on one machine has safe-upgrade and one doesn't. http://pastebin.com/d74a8a159 is it something that is missing from the 32bit package for a reason? |
| 02:48.53 | Gun_Smoke | same versions on each |
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| 02:52.32 | Octalot | Gun_Smoke: what error do you get? |
| 02:52.47 | Sebboh | Hi. I'd like to use Ruby 1.9 on Lenny. So I did apt-get install ruby1.9 .. but when I execute 'ruby', I get command not found. Hm? |
| 02:52.57 | Gun_Smoke | Octalot, no error.. it just isn't there. |
| 02:53.20 | Octalot | Gun_Smoke: I don't understand. What do you do, and what happens? |
| 02:53.53 | wm4 | Sebboh: dpkg -L ruby1.9|grep bin |
| 02:54.53 | Octalot | Sebboh: ls -l /usr/bin/ruby |
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| 02:55.59 | Gun_Smoke | Octalot, http://pastebin.com/d3c0df98c |
| 02:56.19 | Octalot | Sebboh: "ruby" is currently for 1.8; ruby1.9 will be started by /usr/bin/ruby1.9 |
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| 02:56.54 | wm4 | Octalot: and of course there's no way to make debian create a ruby -> ruby1.9 symlink? |
| 02:56.59 | Gun_Smoke | It's simple missing.. But I was just able to type it out, without attempting auto complete. odd |
| 02:57.41 | Sebboh | wm4, Octalot, well, right. I have /usr/bin/ruby1.9. But since the package installation didn't create a symlink or set up debian alternatives for me.. Uh, what's the right way to register it so that if I execute a .rb script, the right interpreter is found? |
| 02:59.04 | Sebboh | I'd like to set it up in a way that upgrades will work normally. |
| 02:59.17 | jamon | Sebboh: either symlink 1.9 to /usr/bin/ruby (not a good idea), or use a shebang that points to 1.9 explicitly |
| 02:59.56 | Sebboh | We all seem to agree on this.. ;) |
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| 03:02.39 | infinity1 | is it dangerous to do update-initramfs -c instead of -u |
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| 03:03.30 | Octalot | Gun_Smoke: is that using the shell-completion tool? If so I'm not familiar with it's workings (I just use filename completion myself) |
| 03:03.58 | Gun_Smoke | Octalot, yes. Reading over some bug reports now.. |
| 03:04.02 | Sebboh | dammit, ruby 1.9 doesn't work, either. I'm going to have to downgrade.. How can I find a deb for ruby 1.8.6? |
| 03:04.38 | Octalot | thought something was broken in aptitude itself for a bit |
| 03:04.52 | Gun_Smoke | boy i hope not :) |
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| 03:07.11 | cockroach | hey, small question: which exact package do i file kernel issues with? my installed flavour of linux-image (eg. linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64)? |
| 03:11.11 | Sebboh | uh. How do I find older versions of packages? The current ruby 1.8 in Lenny is 1.8.7.. I need 1.8.6. ..What do I need to find, an out of date debian mirror? :/ |
| 03:11.57 | fedya_ | Sebboh: as i far as i know you can specify what version you want to install |
| 03:13.21 | Sebboh | hm. How do I get a list of available packages? |
| 03:13.23 | fedya_ | # apt-get install package=version .. for example .. # apt-get install nautilus=2.2.4-1 |
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| 03:13.41 | fedya_ | apt-show-versions ruby |
| 03:13.55 | Sebboh | .. I mean, list of available versions of a specific package. ;) ok, thanks fedya. |
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| 03:14.47 | rhineheart_m | how would i disable selinux? |
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| 03:18.13 | stoned | why |
| 03:18.18 | Sebboh | fedya_, I think that apt-show-versions doesn't check the repos.. I think it checks the local package cache.. which is tmpfs on my laptop. :P |
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| 03:19.32 | stoned | lenny is the best ever! |
| 03:19.37 | stoned | from all the debians |
| 03:19.41 | stoned | lenny is the best so far |
| 03:19.42 | fedya_ | uh i dont think so |
| 03:19.46 | stoned | you suck |
| 03:19.50 | stoned | no one cares about what you think |
| 03:19.51 | stoned | go away |
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| 03:20.05 | stoned | oh, j/k |
| 03:21.15 | rhineheart_m | !OP |
| 03:21.51 | Gun_Smoke | buh bye |
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| 03:24.51 | Sebboh | Don't call the ops for someone saying someone else sucks. Pansy. You call the ops if there are 2000 extra clients hitting us with a join/part loop. :P |
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| 03:27.14 | Sebboh | Woo! snapshot.debian.net appears to be the answer to the question "how do I find a .deb for an old version of a package". |
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| 03:28.25 | jhambo | hmmm is paste.debian.net not working? where else should I paste? |
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| 03:28.50 | rhineheart_m | jhambo, it works here |
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| 03:29.06 | enouf | jhambo: any other pastebin |
| 03:29.18 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 03:29.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 03:29.52 | enouf | rhineheart_m: how did selinux get enabled? |
| 03:29.55 | jhambo | Hmmm wierd was just taking a long time to load... |
| 03:30.02 | kdubois | what is the difference between sid and unstable? |
| 03:30.10 | enouf | nada |
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| 03:30.37 | enouf | sid will always == unstable |
| 03:30.42 | kdubois | so in sources.list, 'sid' and 'unstable' are exactly the same thing? |
| 03:30.59 | enouf | yep |
| 03:31.05 | enouf | !versions |
| 03:31.11 | enouf | bah ... |
| 03:31.11 | rhineheart_m | enouf, I just thought it was the cause since I can't access the isconfig after its successful installation.. but I found an answer that selinux is disabled by default |
| 03:31.14 | enouf | !releases |
| 03:31.14 | dpkg | i heard releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 03:31.30 | enouf | rhineheart_m: bingo |
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| 03:33.18 | doublehp | exim is installed and working; how to make outputs of cron be mailed to a specific user ? |
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| 03:35.06 | enouf | doublehp: i'd have to guess either a) dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and b) /etc/syslog.conf settings? |
| 03:35.35 | doublehp | enouf: what to do in /etc/syslog.conf ? |
| 03:35.40 | enouf | doublehp: you do mean the system-wide cron.* don't you? or do you mean user's crontab? |
| 03:35.54 | doublehp | system wide, all |
| 03:36.13 | enouf | doublehp: i'm not sure what to do, but that's where i'd look to start with |
| 03:36.44 | jhambo | So I tried to compile a 2.6.27 kernel for lenny but it ended with this: http://paste.debian.net/23555/. did I screw something up? |
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| 03:38.45 | enouf | jhambo: i'd guess you'd need to install the -dev pkg that contains the zlib.h file |
| 03:39.00 | wm4 | jhambo: by the way, worked great for me |
| 03:39.17 | enouf | virtual machines and binary blobs, how wonderful |
| 03:39.23 | jhambo | wm4: good to hear. Did it fix your original problem? |
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| 03:39.42 | wm4 | jhambo: naturally, since I knew the bug was fixed in 2.6.27 |
| 03:40.06 | jioek | hey guys, I was just wondering if someone could give me a hand with an openbox/sound issue |
| 03:40.08 | jhambo | wm4: score |
| 03:40.26 | enouf | and .. it appears your build is only getting hung up on making the /Documentation parts |
| 03:40.50 | abrotman | doublehp: you set the MAILTO in the cron script |
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| 03:42.13 | jioek | or perhaps just help with a cli way to edit a certain sound setting? |
| 03:42.34 | enouf | jioek: spit out the details :-) |
| 03:43.14 | doublehp | enouf: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-March/038634.html where do you think I can define MAILTO ? in some system env file ? |
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| 03:43.32 | abrotman | doublehp: in the script MAILTO=foo@bar.com |
| 03:43.38 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 03:44.07 | doublehp | abrotman: directly in /etc/crontab ? |
| 03:44.20 | jioek | ok so when i use the default install with gnome the sound does not work, i have to right click on volume control in the system stay, change the device from HDA intel to Audigy 1, which is my sound card, then go to the switches tab and uncheck "Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack" but i cannot do this in openbox |
| 03:44.46 | jioek | tray* |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | or you can set a mail alias for root's mail to go to a real user |
| 03:44.46 | doublehp | abrotman: will cron check the variables defined after the script exit ? |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | setting the mail alias is probably a good thing anyways |
| 03:45.30 | jioek | would anyone know how to do that in the terminal, so i wouldn't have to rely on gnome? |
| 03:47.42 | abrotman | jioek: there should be an alsa way to choose the default sound device .. check the alsa-project.org website |
| 03:48.21 | enouf | jioek: /msg dpkg remove gnome :-) .. or .. setup alsa correctly, or tell gnome to bugger off (System > Preferences > Preferred default devices? or > Sound ?), or .. install alsa-utils, alsa-oss, dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 03:49.26 | jioek | enouf, i want to be able to use a install that only comes with openbox, but i couldn't get my sound working, so had to go back to gnome :( |
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| 03:49.44 | enouf | it would appear your HDA Intel audio device is set as default one in /etc/modprobe.d/sound - alsaconf should fix that |
| 03:50.00 | Miscc | how to make lasting block for IP with iptables .? |
| 03:50.36 | jioek | enouf, bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 03:50.49 | abrotman | Miscc: put it in a script and call it at boot time |
| 03:51.13 | enouf | jioek: are you using ubuntu or something? |
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| 03:51.32 | jioek | enouf, a "modified" version, not the official |
| 03:51.58 | enouf | jioek: please go ask in the appropriate channel .. |
| 03:52.05 | jioek | its called crunchbang, comes with openbox, very lightweight, i was told to ask here, since theres very knowledgeable people here |
| 03:52.12 | jioek | enouf, no answers |
| 03:52.33 | enouf | jioek: then try other non-distro specific channels such as ##linux |
| 03:52.48 | jioek | enouf, ok thanks for your help |
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| 03:53.31 | abrotman | it's an ubuntu-based distro |
| 03:53.49 | enouf | who cares ... , it's not debian :-) |
| 03:54.05 | abrotman | right! |
| 03:54.16 | prxtien | whats the kernel version that ships with etch? |
| 03:54.45 | abrotman | there is a .18 and a .24 |
| 03:54.47 | enouf | prxtien: there are a few choices ... usually .18 |
| 03:55.04 | enouf | prxtien: .24 and .26 are also available |
| 03:55.36 | prxtien | thanks, ive got a few days in hospital coming up, so im getting all the files i need to rebuild one of my boxes while im in there |
| 03:55.44 | prxtien | one of those is a kernel that matches up with etch nicely ;) |
| 03:56.18 | enouf | prxtien: well.. fwiw, the .24 is the etchnhalf kernel and the .26 is the etch-backports version |
| 03:56.54 | enouf | prxtien: feel free to msg the bot for info about each of those |
| 03:57.25 | prxtien | thanks mate |
| 03:57.46 | abrotman | in the hospital ? |
| 03:58.31 | prxtien | i am in an out alot, so they let me bring my projects in with me |
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| 04:11.28 | jhambo | hmmm, when I do `apt-file update` I get "Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz". what to do? |
| 04:14.02 | epsilon | deb http://192.168.0.10/debian-security lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 04:15.34 | jhambo | ummmmm.... |
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| 04:16.49 | abrotman | jhambo: i get it also .. i've been ignoring it |
| 04:19.37 | enouf | abrotman: and jhambo no issues here running it |
| 04:20.22 | enouf | though google video being capped at 100K/sec d/l is pissing me off |
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| 04:20.51 | gl_ | hi,guys |
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| 04:21.21 | abrotman | jhambo: i think one of the security.d.o mirrors has the file missing |
| 04:22.02 | jhambo | So I was trying to compile a kernel and I got http://paste.debian.net/23555/. someone said I need to install the package with zlib.h. but there seem to be many packages that supply that file. which should I install? |
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| 04:22.44 | wm4 | jhambo: maybe zlib1g-dev |
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| 04:23.23 | Metatron_ | the networkmannager and the networkmanger applet dont seem to share settings, which one takes precedence? where can i set the networkmanger applets to static ip? |
| 04:24.32 | jhambo | Is there a way I can continue the kernel compile without having to completely restart it? |
| 04:25.40 | enouf | http://paste.debian.net/23557/ |
| 04:26.32 | enouf | oh .. i can't friggin read .. sorry |
| 04:27.27 | solid_liq | enouf: or spel ;) |
| 04:28.05 | solid_liq | jhambo: try typing make again |
| 04:28.31 | solid_liq | jhambo: or make -j 5 if you have to procs/cores |
| 04:29.24 | wm4 | when I suspend my system with hibernate, and press backspace to abort the suspend process, it fails to switch back to X, and the screen stays black; I can't switch to the console either; I'm using the official nvidia driver |
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| 04:30.45 | enouf | solid_liq: heh |
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| 04:43.18 | enouf | wm4: why would you abort the suspend sequence? changed your mind? |
| 04:43.30 | wm4 | enouf: yes |
| 04:44.05 | enouf | wm4: well .. a) don't do that ;-) and b) see (a) |
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| 04:44.40 | wm4 | currently, I just restart the PC... resuming never makes problems |
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| 05:10.45 | neoice | if I want to remove my swap partition using gparted, do I need to boot off a liveCD? |
| 05:11.44 | pythonic | are swap partitions obsolete? |
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| 05:12.21 | simonrvn | pythonic: no |
| 05:12.29 | neoice | pythonic: yeah, but its for a multi-boot machine, so instead of swap files, I can share 1 swap partition |
| 05:12.35 | pythonic | neoice: do you want to resize your other partitions? |
| 05:13.22 | pythonic | oh, you still want the swap partition? |
| 05:13.24 | pythonic | is confused |
| 05:13.25 | neoice | pythonic: yeah, but the current layout is HFS+ (thats where the free space is), swap, ext3... and I'd like HFS+, swap, ext3, ext3 |
| 05:13.27 | Gun_Smoke | swapoff from a livecd would do it wouldn't it. |
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| 05:13.55 | neoice | I can do the hfs+ resize from gparted on the current ext3 partition |
| 05:14.15 | simonrvn | neoice: no, but i'd go to single user, so that anything using the swap won't die on you ;). or, activate the swap you wanna use, then deactivate the one you wanna get rid of. |
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| 05:14.21 | neoice | although thinking about it, the positions on the phyiscal disk are pretty irrelevant. |
| 05:14.36 | wm4 | just make sure you have enough free memory before you swapoff |
| 05:14.48 | simonrvn | yup |
| 05:14.53 | Szeraax | I know this is off topic, but has anyone here had a Razer mouse and had trouble with the mouse buttons not clicking very well? I haven't found anything on Razer.com or google, though I am trying again as I speak. |
| 05:15.06 | Szeraax | (i've had it over a year) |
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| 05:15.52 | neoice | bah, I'll just wing it. I have backups and man pages. |
| 05:15.58 | legis | Hi, can I use USB pen drive as install media? |
| 05:17.04 | Gun_Smoke | unetbootin is one way. |
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| 05:19.00 | scientes | how do i fix locale problems, ie set shell variables win a chroot |
| 05:19.51 | legis | Found some images for USB sticks on the debian.org :D |
| 05:19.57 | legis | was just being lazy |
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| 05:21.11 | Gun_Smoke | those work too |
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| 05:22.44 | pythonic | scientes: that way lies madness |
| 05:23.08 | scientes | aha |
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| 05:23.33 | scientes | well ill continue to boot my chroots via nfs in VMs then |
| 05:23.46 | scientes | i just set stuff up first |
| 05:23.58 | pythonic | fixing locales, timezones, etc. in chroot is not so bad.. |
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| 05:24.38 | jhambo_ | Woot kernel compiled properly and is running fine! |
| 05:24.46 | pythonic | but there's more to running in a chroot than that.. |
| 05:25.24 | scientes | i realized i could skip all that disk image crap and locking if i just booted vms from the network |
| 05:25.31 | scientes | *lockin |
| 05:25.44 | pythonic | scientes: tried debootstrap? |
| 05:25.52 | scientes | thats what i used |
| 05:26.11 | scientes | but when i apt or something i get this endless strng of perl LOCALE errors |
| 05:26.16 | pythonic | yeah |
| 05:26.19 | scientes | although it works |
| 05:26.24 | pythonic | LC_ALL=C chroot /foo |
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| 05:26.38 | pythonic | then... |
| 05:27.00 | pythonic | in the chroot env.. |
| 05:27.03 | pythonic | apt-get install locales |
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| 05:27.12 | simonrvn | could also build the locale db... |
| 05:27.35 | pythonic | oh. first copy /etc/locale.gen into the chroot env |
| 05:27.41 | pythonic | then apt-get install locales |
| 05:29.28 | pythonic | copy /etc/timezone as well |
| 05:29.47 | pythonic | and in the chroot env /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst configure |
| 05:29.54 | pythonic | yuck, eh? |
| 05:30.07 | scientes | yeah |
| 05:30.13 | scientes | needs a script |
| 05:30.17 | pythonic | idk why debootstrap doesn't do that |
| 05:30.22 | scientes | i allready copy in a fstab |
| 05:30.29 | scientes | so i can mount -a and get proc etc |
| 05:30.36 | pythonic | yeah, copy /etc/hosts as well |
| 05:30.54 | pythonic | ahh.. fstab shouldn't be the same probably |
| 05:31.06 | scientes | im sick of copying host files i need to set up my dns server |
| 05:31.13 | pythonic | you woulnd't have a / entry in the fstab |
| 05:31.18 | pythonic | wouldn't* |
| 05:31.19 | scientes | no fstab is a chroot only fstab |
| 05:31.32 | pythonic | yeah, write a script for it |
| 05:31.33 | wm4 | sometimes websites are so full of not working javascript garbage, that it is more useful to view the pages with a text editor, instead of a browser |
| 05:31.40 | pythonic | scientes: but there's still more pain |
| 05:32.04 | scientes | wm4, lol yeah |
| 05:32.04 | pythonic | the /proc/mounts and /proc/swaps are broken |
| 05:32.24 | scientes | wm4, firebug is best for getting rid of crap if it prevent you from interacting with the page |
| 05:32.48 | pythonic | you've mounted /proc in the chroot env, right? |
| 05:32.52 | scientes | hmmyeah |
| 05:33.06 | pythonic | yeah, well /proc/{mounts,swaps} is broken there |
| 05:33.18 | pythonic | and /dev is a bitch to set up |
| 05:33.24 | scientes | anyways i really just apt-get what i want and then set up aentry in pxe and then boot off the net |
| 05:33.39 | scientes | cant you just bind /dev to the dev? |
| 05:33.41 | wm4 | and currently, I am on the official vendor's page for my mainboard/BIOS, and the only download links I see is some "updater" application which runs only under Windows |
| 05:33.44 | pythonic | scientes: depends.. |
| 05:33.55 | pythonic | do you want an independent syslog in the chroot env? |
| 05:34.30 | pythonic | syslog uses a socket /dev/log |
| 05:35.05 | scientes | now i know why chroot didnt evole into the virtualization way |
| 05:35.24 | pythonic | yeah /dev/log should really be at /var/run/log |
| 05:35.36 | pythonic | or /var/run/syslog or something |
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| 05:35.42 | scientes | more unix historical things |
| 05:35.45 | scientes | like /etc/mtab |
| 05:35.56 | pythonic | yeah, well you need /etc/mtab since /proc/mounts is fucked |
| 05:36.49 | pythonic | in the chroot env cat /proc/mounts will list all mounts (not just mounts in the chroot env) and will list the mounts in the chroot env without the full path to the env... |
| 05:36.58 | simonrvn | /dev/log should stay there... |
| 05:36.58 | pythonic | so you can't tell them apart from the mounts outside the chroot env |
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| 05:37.16 | pythonic | simonrvn: why? |
| 05:37.38 | simonrvn | because the syslogds expect it there |
| 05:37.46 | pythonic | so modify syslogd |
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| 05:38.21 | simonrvn | go ahead |
| 05:38.53 | pythonic | that's the only reason? |
| 05:39.14 | simonrvn | other reasons too, but i can't think of any ATM |
| 05:39.23 | scientes | lol |
| 05:39.26 | scientes | change is good |
| 05:39.58 | scientes | and all the other logs are in /var |
| 05:39.59 | pythonic | scientes: tried openvz? |
| 05:40.35 | scientes | i was using vmware cause i couldnt get xen to work and its too old for kvm |
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| 05:40.48 | pythonic | other sockets live in /var/run |
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| 05:41.17 | Serraphyn | Is there a way from SSH to setup x.org and remote desktop so I can connect to it from my windows desktop? |
| 05:41.49 | scientes | Serraphyn, you can modify /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and allow xdmcp settings |
| 05:42.04 | scientes | but i wasnt able to get that to work the one time i tried it |
| 05:42.09 | pythonic | scientes: openvz is like chroot |
| 05:42.51 | pythonic | except it works |
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| 05:45.18 | scientes | yeah i really wasnt trying to use chroot |
| 05:45.45 | Serraphyn | guess I'll have to hook up a monitor to that box and do it manually |
| 05:46.01 | pythonic | scientes: why are you virtualizing? |
| 05:46.15 | scientes | Serraphyn, as i said you can edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and edit the [SDMCP] section to allow remote conections |
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| 05:46.27 | scientes | pythonic, not much |
| 05:46.47 | enouf | gdm-setup ? rdesktop? |
| 05:46.52 | pythonic | scientes: eh? |
| 05:46.53 | Serraphyn | scientes, I'm in vista on this box so I'll have to run an RDP client/server thingy I think |
| 05:47.26 | scientes | Serraphyn, linux does not support RDP, it support VNC, but better is XDMCP which is the native and way faster mechanism |
| 05:47.52 | scientes | Serraphyn, unlike windows X11 is 199% client-server, but its off by default for security reasons |
| 05:47.57 | scientes | 100% * lol |
| 05:48.43 | enouf | !sshx |
| 05:48.43 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 05:48.44 | Serraphyn | k, your starting to confuse me |
| 05:48.56 | pythonic | !rootx |
| 05:49.01 | pythonic | !root x |
| 05:49.01 | dpkg | If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! |
| 05:49.07 | enouf | nm, that doesn't include wintendo weenie usage - unless you install X on windows, i guess |
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| 05:49.41 | Serraphyn | I"m thinking of putting linux back on my main system again, I just don't want to loose my game :) |
| 05:50.14 | Joelito | does anyone know which package should I download to compile XFCE applications? The one with #include <xfc/main.hh>? |
| 05:50.35 | enouf | Joelito: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 05:50.47 | scientes | http://www.starnet.com/products/xwin32/ |
| 05:51.15 | scientes | http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ |
| 05:51.23 | scientes | the bottom one |
| 05:51.33 | Joelito | enouf: ¬¬ I tried |
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| 05:52.07 | Serraphyn | Does debian support duel monitor? |
| 05:52.09 | scientes | Serraphyn, try xming from the ink above |
| 05:52.23 | enouf | Joelito: you also should know about build-essential and that debian separates out the build headers into pkgs appended with '-dev' names |
| 05:52.24 | scientes | Serraphyn, i have it working great under nvidia driver |
| 05:52.36 | scientes | Serraphyn, although it takes more cpu for dual than windowa |
| 05:52.42 | Serraphyn | I have nvidia 8600 GTX with 256M ram |
| 05:53.03 | scientes | i ahve the same card |
| 05:53.07 | scientes | lol |
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| 05:53.23 | karlpinc | scientes: (FYI, you can run RDP as a client with rdesktop.) |
| 05:53.31 | scientes | ok |
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| 05:55.48 | enouf | Joelito: you sure you don't mean xfce/main.h ? |
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| 05:56.46 | Dusti | chuck ping |
| 05:56.46 | jhambo_ | So I download the latest compat-wireless source. Is there a "debian way" of turning it into a package rather than doing "make install"? |
| 05:57.29 | enouf | well .. i can't find that one either - so you might need xfce4 source or something .. |
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| 05:58.14 | enouf | (from upstream, i mean) .. but you need to first make sure you have correct filename :-P |
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| 05:59.11 | enouf | jhambo_: use m-a to build modules |
| 05:59.52 | Joelito | enouf: I'm trying to find it |
| 06:00.08 | Joelito | too many files, running updatedb |
| 06:00.29 | enouf | Joelito: don't .. show us where you see <xfc/main.hh> at |
| 06:02.06 | Joelito | enouf: nop, I don't have it |
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| 06:02.25 | enouf | jhambo_: if it's a tar.gz source from upstream, you want either pbuilder (IIRC) or checkinstall (not recommended), and look also in using stow or possibly paco if you decide to not make a pkg |
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| 06:04.19 | jhambo_ | enouf: it's a tar.bz2 from http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download#Wheretodownload and I'm following the directions there too |
| 06:05.05 | liable | jhambo_: just build it. its quite a smart package that can undo itself if you wish |
| 06:05.23 | liable | but you wouldnt really need to undo it anyway. |
| 06:05.26 | jhambo_ | liable: so make, the make install? |
| 06:05.30 | jhambo_ | probably true |
| 06:05.36 | liable | if you are running a debian kernel, you want compat-wireless-old |
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| 06:06.05 | jhambo_ | liable: compat-wireless-old doesn't seem to be available anymore so I just compiled a 2.6.27 kernel |
| 06:06.08 | liable | jhambo_: read the install or readme, its fairly self explanitory |
| 06:06.15 | liable | oh |
| 06:06.59 | liable | jhambo_: http://wireless.kernel.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-old.tar.bz2 |
| 06:07.21 | liable | not that it matters now, if you have already compiled 27 |
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| 06:07.39 | liable | you shoulda just gotten the wireless-testing git source and built that.. |
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| 06:08.36 | jhambo_ | liable: that file you linked is not there... |
| 06:08.58 | liable | jhambo_: ah, so its not. |
| 06:09.27 | liable | bastards should update the wiki.. |
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| 06:22.37 | scientes | http://brainstorms.in/?p=240 |
| 06:24.03 | enouf | jhambo_: well .. the source writers were smart enough to include a make uninstall option, so no worries there |
| 06:25.22 | enouf | jhambo_: if you are really interested in building a proper debian pkg, then /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 06:35.23 | lonejack | can somebody help me on bison? I prepared the rpcalc.y example as described on bison manual. Here the code http://paste.ubuntu.com/85027/. On compile I receive: rpcalc.y:14: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘printf’ |
| 06:35.26 | coder_5 | hi! how to redisplay the installer in a running debian? (last stable) i need to reconfig network and mirrors.. |
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| 06:36.05 | coder_5 | lonejack, maybe ask on #C ? |
| 06:36.40 | karlpinc | coder_5 : You want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list perhaps? There's a man page or use the synaptic gui. |
| 06:37.30 | lonejack | coder_5: ok |
| 06:37.34 | coder_5 | karlpinc, right, but i dont want to do this by hand. there was a comand like dbkg_installer to re-run the installer, and complete installation .... but i forgot the right name of the installer... |
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| 06:38.44 | karlpinc | coder_5 : dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 06:38.59 | coder_5 | lonejack, i guess you are missing the forward-declaration or #include for 'printf'. |
| 06:39.59 | lonejack | coder_5: is on line 32 : #include <stdio.h> |
| 06:40.15 | coder_5 | karlpinc, no, this seems to be for a single package. i want the installer-gui. i already did this but forgot how to rerun it... |
| 06:40.55 | coder_5 | lonejack, sure, but you need it on line 14 already. line 32 is too late... |
| 06:40.59 | enouf | you don't |
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| 06:41.39 | karlpinc | enouf: Is that you at that .in link, or am I mis-remembering who pasted the link? |
| 06:42.23 | enouf | karlpinc: huh? |
| 06:42.45 | karlpinc | enouf : Must be a brain fart. Never mind. |
| 06:43.03 | enouf | np - i get them too ;-) |
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| 06:50.13 | superjet_busy | how to change qt into qt4 with cdbs of qmake.mk, eg. how to pass QMAKE things into debian/rules? |
| 06:50.20 | lonejack | coder_5: U had reason. Problem solved... Thx |
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| 06:53.42 | enouf | coder_5: maybe something like "debian-installer netcfg" or "d-i netcfg/dhcp_options select Configure network manually" |
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| 07:00.00 | coder_5 | enouf, yep, this seems to be the command. unfortunately it seems not available on my minimal netinstall debian box.. :-( ... i'll look on the installer cd... thankyou! |
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| 07:08.25 | doublehp | whats the difference between killall5 and reboot ? |
| 07:08.36 | doublehp | in hich package is killall ? |
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| 07:09.51 | dmoerner | psmisc |
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| 07:11.42 | woden | Is there an easy way to set a program to start in a minimized state using GNOME? |
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| 07:12.07 | scientes | how do i do X without a ssh tunnel |
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| 07:17.13 | superjet_busy | how to switch qt3 and qt4 using cdbs of qmake.mk, pass QMAKE things into debian/rules or update-alter qt/uic...? |
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| 07:19.24 | enouf | superjet_busy: i think you should maybe a) install devscripts and pbuilder, b) man dpkg-buildpackage and man debuild .. do /msg dpkg nmg |
| 07:19.57 | enouf | scientes_: you mean within a LAN? |
| 07:20.10 | scientes_ | yeah |
| 07:20.57 | superjet_busy | enouf: i've installed them already, just don't know which it `official way` as qmake.mk is a little simple |
| 07:21.10 | superjet_busy | s/it/is |
| 07:21.54 | enouf | superjet_busy: well, i don't know what cdbs is .. so we're even :-P |
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| 07:22.56 | enouf | scientes_: well, considering X is a client/server operation and multiuser capable ... run a server on one box, and connect to it with the client from the other :-P |
| 07:23.24 | enouf | scientes_: "do X" is a bit vague ;-) |
| 07:23.28 | superjet_busy | enouf: cdbs ==> 'common build system for Debian packages' ;-) |
| 07:23.44 | enouf | superjet_busy: oh i suck .. |
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| 07:24.57 | scientes_ | enouf, how do i attach programs to my X from the lan |
| 07:25.39 | enouf | still too vague .. for me anyways |
| 07:26.07 | rafuch0 | hey guys how can i generated a new .bashrc file for my user i edited a log tome ago and i want the original back but i delete it how can i regerate the file? |
| 07:26.37 | cahoot | rafuch0: template in /etc/skel? |
| 07:26.41 | enouf | xbase-clients, and xauth, etc .. recall what the factoids were saying about not using xhosts? |
| 07:27.02 | rafuch0 | checking cahoot... |
| 07:27.21 | enouf | that might involve one removing the -nolisten tcp option from the Xserver |
| 07:27.35 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/3QnyGv11.html how can two scripts working on the same value of $f ... produce the same output ? why dont I have an instance echoing 1 ??? |
| 07:27.40 | rafuch0 | no no files in that dir... |
| 07:27.57 | cahoot | rafuch0: debian? |
| 07:28.02 | rafuch0 | yeap |
| 07:28.09 | enouf | rafuch0: $ ll /etc/skel/.bash |
| 07:28.09 | enouf | .bash_logout .bash_profile .bashrc |
| 07:28.16 | enouf | rafuch0: ls -al |
| 07:28.30 | enouf | you need the -a to view .dotfiles |
| 07:28.32 | rafuch0 | X) ohh they are hidden.. |
| 07:28.38 | rafuch0 | ok checking again |
| 07:29.05 | enouf | ll happens to be an alias here |
| 07:29.15 | enouf | s/an/my |
| 07:29.22 | scientes_ | ok i figured it out its simple, just DISPLAY=host:0 and the xhost client |
| 07:29.34 | enouf | alias ll='ls -al --color=always' |
| 07:30.24 | rafuch0 | ok there is a bashrc file there once i capy that file to my /home do i need to edit something ? |
| 07:30.33 | rafuch0 | *copy |
| 07:30.41 | enouf | not unless you want to ;-) |
| 07:30.42 | cahoot | just source it |
| 07:31.01 | rafuch0 | ok many thanks |
| 07:31.03 | rafuch0 | :D |
| 07:32.41 | faithfulgeek | can anyone help me install debian from a usb key? it's booting into the installer but won't load much of my hardware; it doesn't detect the ethernet card |
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| 07:33.06 | cahoot | too fancy hw? |
| 07:33.06 | faithfulgeek | I'm using etchy netinst image |
| 07:33.18 | faithfulgeek | possibly, it's a new machine |
| 07:33.21 | faithfulgeek | a dell mini |
| 07:33.30 | liable | try the lenny installer |
| 07:34.11 | faithfulgeek | is that rc1? |
| 07:34.17 | liable | yeah |
| 07:34.43 | faithfulgeek | am I safe to use netinst or should get a more full image? |
| 07:35.19 | liable | find out what your network card is, and google to see if its supported by 2.6.26 |
| 07:35.48 | faithfulgeek | I worked with debian live |
| 07:35.51 | faithfulgeek | so I'd assume it is |
| 07:35.58 | faithfulgeek | and I'm currently running ubuntu on it |
| 07:36.06 | liable | doesnt the live cd have an install option? |
| 07:36.22 | faithfulgeek | I didn't see it, it looked like you have to bake that into the image |
| 07:36.25 | liable | but yeah, netinst should be fine |
| 07:36.26 | faithfulgeek | manually |
| 07:36.33 | faithfulgeek | okay, thanks liable, I'll try lenny |
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| 07:37.12 | faithfulgeek | how hard is it to upgrade from rc1 once final is out? |
| 07:37.26 | liable | rc1 is just the actuall installer |
| 07:37.28 | cahoot | run aptitude |
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| 07:37.50 | liable | you keep the system up to date with apt-get/aptitude |
| 07:38.01 | faithfulgeek | right, thanks :) |
| 07:38.56 | woden | Is there an easy way to set a program to start in a minimized state using GNOME? |
| 07:40.50 | cahoot | There's a program called devils pie that is supposed to allow you to accomplish the kind of window management that you're looking for in Gnome |
| 07:41.03 | cahoot | woden: ^ |
| 07:42.31 | woden | cahoot: I looked at devilspie and it's not really easy. |
| 07:43.03 | cahoot | woden: that's what googled turned up for me - you might be luckier |
| 07:43.32 | scientes_ | am i the only one who always types isntall when i mean install? |
| 07:43.40 | cahoot | yse |
| 07:44.08 | scientes_ | i swear i do it everytime |
| 07:44.08 | enouf | woden: wmctrl ? |
| 07:44.12 | scientes_ | there is a devilspie gui |
| 07:44.15 | scientes_ | thats really easy |
| 07:44.24 | enouf | scientes_: what teh heck do you mean? |
| 07:44.30 | enouf | :-p |
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| 07:45.22 | scientes_ | didnt u now that? |
| 07:46.53 | woden | enouf I'll check that out |
| 07:47.00 | enouf | woden: have you considered launching it from an xterm and using 'command &' to background it? |
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| 07:48.10 | enouf | http://sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/ |
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| 07:49.34 | cahoot | enouf: old old school |
| 07:49.43 | rafuch0 | omg this post is awesome http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
| 07:50.23 | scientes_ | gdevilspie cause im not sure you were being sarcastic |
| 07:50.29 | scientes_ | http://code.google.com/p/gdevilspie/ |
| 07:50.46 | enouf | cahoot: yeah .. before the era of the bloated behemoths :-) |
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| 07:51.17 | cahoot | enouf: Monty Python alert |
| 07:51.30 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 07:52.30 | d-b | hi there i have a question -> i have tor installed on debian lenny and i can't run 'tor' -> tor is located at /usr/sbin/tor and my user has the correct permissions to run it -> is it that /usr/sbin commands are made available to root and not normal users |
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| 07:54.11 | d-b | ok i found my answer -> path |
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| 08:04.22 | scientes_ | is there any /dev/null block devide |
| 08:04.28 | scientes_ | something that doesnt do anything? |
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| 08:07.17 | enouf | black hole? |
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| 08:07.59 | scientes_ | yeah but one that emulates a block device |
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| 08:08.08 | cahoot | a broken hd? |
| 08:08.16 | scientes_ | lol absolutely |
| 08:08.30 | enouf | you want loop |
| 08:08.41 | scientes_ | i just want to type it in |
| 08:08.54 | scientes_ | this virt-manager requires virtual machies have hard drives |
| 08:09.44 | scientes_ | and it even will stall you if the image you create is only 100mb |
| 08:09.48 | scientes_ | i hate idot-proofing |
| 08:10.07 | enouf | man losetup scientes_ |
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| 08:10.26 | infinity1 | scientes_: is virt-manager provided from a deiban package? |
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| 08:10.55 | scientes_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=virt-manager |
| 08:11.25 | infinity1 | intereting. looks like a xen thing |
| 08:11.32 | scientes_ | + qemu and kvm |
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| 08:11.42 | scientes_ | and it just added over the network vm creation |
| 08:12.09 | scientes_ | although i havnt been able to get that to work by building |
| 08:12.10 | infinity1 | i think i need a box for kvm |
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| 08:12.38 | infinity1 | one kernel. |
| 08:12.52 | enouf | scientes_: some info for ya http://linuxgazette.net/109/chirico.html |
| 08:12.57 | faithfulgeek | trying to run lenny installer from a usb key; it won't detect anything because it says it's missing a cdrom |
| 08:13.04 | faithfulgeek | I'm using netinst |
| 08:13.17 | faithfulgeek | does that just mean my network card driver wasn't loaded? |
| 08:13.40 | cahoot | does ifconfig -a list any eth*? |
| 08:13.57 | infinity1 | faithfulgeek: maybe. i know lenny installer doesn't have some drivers because of licensicing issues |
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| 08:14.13 | faithfulgeek | ifconfig not found... |
| 08:14.18 | infinity1 | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 08:14.19 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.35 | cahoot | or is it ip now? |
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| 08:14.47 | infinity1 | cahoot: ip is windows |
| 08:15.03 | cahoot | infinity1: well in lniux too |
| 08:15.17 | infinity1 | cahoot: eh? what linux is this? |
| 08:15.19 | faithfulgeek | there is no /sbin/ifconfig either |
| 08:15.30 | infinity1 | faithfulgeek: sounds like you have issues then :) |
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| 08:15.53 | cahoot | infinity1: i e ip link instead of ifconfig |
| 08:15.58 | faithfulgeek | lol, perhaps |
| 08:16.11 | infinity1 | there is an ip command. dunno about ipconfig |
| 08:16.14 | faithfulgeek | ip link works, just lo |
| 08:17.18 | cahoot | lspci -v - what network device? |
| 08:17.30 | enouf | you didn't follow the installer directions .. you also want the ISO on the key ... (maybe something silly like this would work) alt-f2 ; modprobe loop ; mkdir /target ; cd /target ; mount -t iso9660 -o loop /target /cdname.iso (heck, might not even need to loop mount it) |
| 08:17.57 | cahoot | wouldn't the installer offer network? |
| 08:18.22 | enouf | you mean netboot? that's a different image |
| 08:18.44 | cahoot | no I meant basic networking |
| 08:18.51 | faithfulgeek | enouf: thanks, I'll drop it on there |
| 08:19.00 | enouf | why not just use http://goodbye-windows.com ? |
| 08:19.16 | faithfulgeek | I'm not running windows |
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| 08:19.26 | cahoot | goodbye-ubuntu? |
| 08:19.27 | faithfulgeek | running ubuntu, but want to try pure debian |
| 08:19.42 | enouf | well, then debootstrap is another option |
| 08:19.45 | cahoot | debootstrap? |
| 08:19.52 | enouf | !debootstrap |
| 08:19.53 | dpkg | somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 08:20.02 | enouf | !debian takeover |
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| 08:20.07 | enouf | !debtakeover |
| 08:20.08 | dpkg | somebody said debtakeover was Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 08:20.21 | enouf | old .. pay that no mind ;-) |
| 08:20.30 | enouf | nostalgia |
| 08:20.45 | cahoot | enouf: Monty Python alert |
| 08:21.11 | faithfulgeek | I only have an 8gb drive; it's a dell mini with a custom dell ubuntu install |
| 08:21.24 | faithfulgeek | so I just want to wipe it and start with a clean debian instance |
| 08:21.27 | faithfulgeek | then go from there |
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| 08:21.59 | faithfulgeek | I'll try it with the iso on the key tomorrow, thanks for the help! |
| 08:22.11 | cahoot | faithfulgeek: lspci -k in ubuntu to see what module the nic uses |
| 08:22.16 | apelgate | how do I make my new init script start on boot? |
| 08:22.26 | faithfulgeek | cahoot: will do, thanks! |
| 08:22.44 | scientes_ | whats this monty python? |
| 08:22.54 | apelgate | ? |
| 08:23.15 | enouf | apelgate: what new init script? |
| 08:23.47 | apelgate | I made a new init script |
| 08:23.57 | apelgate | it works but doesn't start on boot |
| 08:24.03 | enouf | apelgate: did you use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a template? if not, than just add the commands to your /etc/rc.local |
| 08:24.05 | apelgate | even if I put it in init.d |
| 08:24.30 | apelgate | I used the mysql init script and modified it |
| 08:24.43 | enouf | you'd need symlinks from the proper runlevel dirs (/etc/rc?.d) man update-rc.d |
| 08:24.59 | apelgate | oh ok |
| 08:25.18 | apelgate | then it's the same as mandriva. thank's for helping |
| 08:25.19 | enouf | apelgate: /msg dpkg rcconf has some nice urls with details |
| 08:25.29 | apelgate | ok |
| 08:25.33 | apelgate | I will take a look |
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| 08:27.26 | Iradieh | Does anyone know of a good CMS that will enable the use of different themse? |
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| 08:28.15 | cahoot | google? |
| 08:28.34 | infinity1 | whats a good email client for linux |
| 08:28.51 | enouf | define good |
| 08:28.55 | cahoot | mutt |
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| 08:29.01 | enouf | 2nd'd |
| 08:29.17 | infinity1 | good=what you prefer |
| 08:29.24 | cahoot | gmail |
| 08:29.34 | cahoot | !polls |
| 08:29.35 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 08:30.33 | infinity1 | does mutt support imap? i seem to recal it had issues with imap |
| 08:31.31 | enouf | !MTA |
| 08:31.32 | dpkg | from memory, mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. |
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| 08:41.47 | groton | ah, sorry, i just had to restart the console :) nevermind |
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| 09:20.30 | Doctor-Steve_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.35 | Doctor-Steve_ | what kind of file is this? |
| 09:21.00 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: its kernel configuration |
| 09:21.06 | ConSi | from /proc/config.gz |
| 09:21.07 | ConSi | :) |
| 09:21.26 | Doctor-Steve_ | thank you :) |
| 09:21.33 | ConSi | :) |
| 09:21.38 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
| 09:21.42 | Doctor-Steve_ | ConSi, need some help guys... |
| 09:21.44 | ConSi | its used to build kernel from make oldconfig |
| 09:21.53 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: ? |
| 09:21.56 | Doctor-Steve_ | ConSi, what do u mean make oldconfig? |
| 09:21.57 | Supaplex | !ask |
| 09:21.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 09:22.24 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: make oldconfig is alternative for make menuconfig |
| 09:22.27 | ConSi | for example: |
| 09:22.28 | Doctor-Steve_ | kk |
| 09:22.32 | ConSi | cd /usr/src/linux |
| 09:22.38 | Doctor-Steve_ | ConSi, ive used make menuconfig |
| 09:22.39 | ConSi | gunzip config.gz |
| 09:22.45 | ConSi | mv config .config |
| 09:22.49 | ConSi | make oldconfig |
| 09:22.49 | ConSi | :) |
| 09:22.54 | Doctor-Steve_ | thank you :) |
| 09:22.59 | ConSi | config.gz from current running kernel |
| 09:22.59 | ConSi | :) |
| 09:23.00 | Supaplex | it asks the questions that where not answered yet (eg, for different kernel version) |
| 09:23.16 | ConSi | and new modules, or extensions |
| 09:23.19 | Supaplex | and skips all the answered ones |
| 09:23.24 | ConSi | yup :) |
| 09:23.29 | Doctor-Steve_ | will that config work with this: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.26.8.tar.bz2 kernel? |
| 09:23.39 | Supaplex | sure |
| 09:23.46 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: use your current runing config (/proc/config.gz) |
| 09:23.58 | Supaplex | consider kp |
| 09:24.11 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: i've upgraded from 2.6.26.1 to 2.6.27.8 |
| 09:24.13 | Doctor-Steve_ | ConSi, ive tried like 5 times :( |
| 09:24.15 | Doctor-Steve_ | doesnt work |
| 09:24.15 | ConSi | by oldconfig |
| 09:24.19 | Supaplex | !doesn't work |
| 09:24.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 09:24.25 | ConSi | Linux szuflada 2.6.27.8-szuflada #1 SMP Sat Dec 6 10:27:06 CET 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:24.25 | Supaplex | how so? |
| 09:24.28 | neoice | is there a way to alter what number a partition uses? like if I have /dev/sda5 and I want it to be /dev/sda4, can I? |
| 09:24.31 | Doctor-Steve_ | it says im missing files |
| 09:24.36 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: |
| 09:24.38 | Doctor-Steve_ | or missing something about the VFS |
| 09:24.42 | Supaplex | which files? |
| 09:24.50 | ConSi | do you building kernel in debian-way |
| 09:24.50 | ConSi | ? |
| 09:24.53 | Doctor-Steve_ | next time i compile ill do it |
| 09:24.57 | Doctor-Steve_ | i use this... |
| 09:25.04 | Supaplex | !tell Doctor-Steve_ -about kp |
| 09:25.05 | Doctor-Steve_ | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 09:25.09 | Doctor-Steve_ | yeap |
| 09:25.12 | Doctor-Steve_ | i use make-kpkg |
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| 09:25.44 | Doctor-Steve_ | so whats my current config |
| 09:25.44 | Doctor-Steve_ | ? |
| 09:25.50 | Doctor-Steve_ | /proc/config.gz |
| 09:26.00 | Supaplex | failing that, /boot/Config.... |
| 09:26.10 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: w8 :) |
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| 09:26.35 | Supaplex | seems it's /boot/config-2.* |
| 09:26.43 | Supaplex | from a debian package anyway. |
| 09:26.59 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: first download the sources |
| 09:27.06 | ConSi | and make symlink to /usr/src/linux |
| 09:27.13 | ConSi | cd /usr/src/linux |
| 09:27.16 | ConSi | and |
| 09:27.23 | Doctor-Steve_ | why symlink to ../linux |
| 09:27.23 | Doctor-Steve_ | ? |
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| 09:27.33 | ConSi | zcat /proc/config.gz > .config |
| 09:27.57 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: don't ask me, i have always creating it, and it always works |
| 09:27.57 | ConSi | ;P |
| 09:27.59 | Supaplex | the symlink is far depreciated imo |
| 09:28.06 | Doctor-Steve_ | in /proc i have no config.gz |
| 09:28.14 | Doctor-Steve_ | in /boot/ i have a current config |
| 09:28.24 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: ok then copy from boot |
| 09:28.45 | ConSi | and run |
| 09:28.48 | ConSi | make oldconfig |
| 09:28.52 | Supaplex | use a config from one you know works. then make oldconfig will still be accurate, and only ask differing questions between the two releases. |
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| 09:29.01 | neoice | is there a way to alter what number a partition uses? like if I have /dev/sda5 and I want it to be /dev/sda4, can I? |
| 09:29.28 | ConSi | neoice: I don't now that it is possible |
| 09:29.29 | Supaplex | hopefully you're not reusing a botched config, otherwise you're building on the past mistake |
| 09:30.02 | Supaplex | neoice: maybe with fdisk. why does it have to be sda4 now? Can't you alter fstab, mtab and grub accordingly? |
| 09:30.52 | ConSi | Supaplex: it's possible to alter partition number or even drive letter in /dev |
| 09:30.54 | ConSi | :P? |
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| 09:31.10 | Doctor-Steve_ | can i use a config-2.6.26-1-686 with linux-2.6.27.8 |
| 09:31.12 | Doctor-Steve_ | ? |
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| 09:31.17 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: yes |
| 09:31.25 | neoice | either I was doing something wrong, or grub doesnt like that device |
| 09:31.29 | ConSi | oldconfig will ask you for the rest |
| 09:31.33 | neoice | (hd0,4) didnt seem to work |
| 09:31.59 | Supaplex | neoice: does the menu appear? |
| 09:32.02 | ConSi | (sorry for my eng. :P, its not too good :P) |
| 09:32.29 | Supaplex | Doctor-Steve_: that's the whole point of make oldconfig. yes. |
| 09:33.15 | Supaplex | neoice: how far do you get? |
| 09:33.18 | neoice | Supaplex: its using EFI, so the grub setup is a little weird |
| 09:33.46 | Doctor-Steve_ | next q |
| 09:33.56 | Doctor-Steve_ | do i mv config... linux-src/.config? |
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| 09:34.11 | Gigantic | >.> |
| 09:34.36 | Supaplex | Doctor-Steve_: cp, incase the working copy is trashed. it'll be easier to start over by just cp again. |
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| 09:34.54 | neoice | ` |
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| 09:36.06 | Supaplex | neoice: interrupt the grub booting, hit c for command shell, and try root (hd0,<TAB> to figure out what partitions you have. You can use file path names to continue completing so you can figure out what (hd0,?) is for what. |
| 09:36.43 | neoice | Supaplex: yeah, it doenst see it. |
| 09:36.53 | Doctor-Steve_ | if i just keep pressing enter on make oldconfig itll work right? |
| 09:36.56 | Supaplex | does it tab complete off root (<TAB>? |
| 09:37.14 | neoice | Supaplex: it sees the EFI record, my HFS+, ext3, then swap |
| 09:37.16 | nsadmin | so, the script in the factoid "pastebin pipe" has a bug which I have two possible fixes for |
| 09:37.29 | neoice | Supaplex: there should be another ext3 its looking for |
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| 09:38.15 | TwistOfFate | NineTeen67Comet, mercury comet? |
| 09:38.19 | nsadmin | err wait, the bug is actually in /usr/share/perl5/HTML/Form.pm |
| 09:38.21 | Supaplex | neoice: if it doesn't tab complete off root (<TAB> to what you expect, I'm not sure what grub can do about it. |
| 09:38.46 | Gigantic | Suse people knows nothingg, wish I didn't had to use it in my Laptop >.> |
| 09:38.51 | neoice | Supaplex: which brings me to my original question. needing to reorder the partition. |
| 09:38.54 | nsadmin | !find /usr/share/perl5/HTML/Form.pm |
| 09:38.58 | NineTeen67Comet | Hi, I'm running a very basic file server headless Debian powered server. Earlier today it stopped responding to I hooked a monitor up, and it was black. So I hard reset, and it showed the BIOS then black. I just re-installed and all went well, but on reboot from install, black screen. Ideas? |
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| 09:39.01 | neoice | Supaplex: grub doesnt need to see the swap. |
| 09:39.21 | nsadmin | n/m, I'll just report it to the bts |
| 09:39.23 | cahoot | device.map? |
| 09:39.26 | NineTeen67Comet | Not even a hard drive flicker after the BIOS goes away. |
| 09:39.44 | Supaplex | neoice: is the partition type mislabled? or just the partition order? order shouldn't matter to grub. that's eaisly fixable. |
| 09:40.14 | Doctor-Steve_ | im doing one make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image can i run the exact same command on a different linux-src folder.... |
| 09:40.20 | nsadmin | NineTeen67Comet: you never see the grub menu after the bios? |
| 09:40.29 | Supaplex | cahoot: that only applies to install. right? no more after it's loading grub. |
| 09:40.31 | nsadmin | or any indication grub is loading? |
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| 09:41.01 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: Nothing, it goes from the bios (all looks well) then the screen goes black. Usually the hdd light will flicker, but it's dead too. |
| 09:41.01 | cahoot | Supaplex: I thought as a help on how grub 'sees' the partitions |
| 09:41.03 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: sure... and consider --initrd |
| 09:41.13 | ConSi | grr :> |
| 09:41.22 | Doctor-Steve_ | whats --initrd? |
| 09:41.36 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: creation of initial ramdisk image |
| 09:41.38 | Doctor-Steve_ | everyone doesnt tell me these commands early! |
| 09:41.39 | Doctor-Steve_ | lol |
| 09:41.39 | nsadmin | NineTeen67Comet: how did you install this time? what kind of media did you boot |
| 09:41.59 | Doctor-Steve_ | im building two kernels at once now then |
| 09:42.07 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: I used the minimal network install CD ROM. |
| 09:42.11 | ConSi | Doctor-Steve_: kernel boots into ramdisk before he loads ext3fs (or reiserfs) driver |
| 09:42.14 | Supaplex | cahoot: possibly, but grub can probe on boot, and with tab completion, we might figure out by hand. |
| 09:42.53 | cahoot | Supaplex: I won't interfere more |
| 09:42.53 | neoice | supaplex: I'm looking at one other issue that could be responsible. how would you fix the ordering issue? |
| 09:42.54 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: I also changed the bios to ignor the CDROM now and go strait to the HDD(A) |
| 09:42.54 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: causes the debian packages resulting from the make-kpkg to look at the user's machine to determine what drivers are involved in mounting root, and forming an image including those drivers |
| 09:43.31 | nsadmin | NineTeen67Comet: what happens if you try to boot the cd now? |
| 09:44.02 | nsadmin | (adjusting the bios settings appropriately... oh, you can get into the bios settings?) |
| 09:44.04 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: It boots fine. I did a little inspection work with the Gentoo disc, then dropped Debian back on it. |
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| 09:44.25 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 09:44.39 | nsadmin | so had a debian install ever worked on this machine? |
| 09:44.52 | nsadmin | you brought up gentoo, so I'm asking. |
| 09:44.55 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: yeah, I'm stumped .. If it were ram, video card etc etc it would show up with cd running too .. but this is only when it's running on its own .. |
| 09:45.16 | nsadmin | looks like the machine and the bios are fine... |
| 09:45.32 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: It's been running as my general duty file server for about a month with Deb on it. I only used the Gentoo disc because I like it's CLI better off the disc .. |
| 09:46.10 | nsadmin | so, is this your first attempt to try debian on that machine? and it's never actually booted successfully? |
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| 09:46.12 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: I think I'll plop another hda in it and see if maybe something is up with that. it's a pretty old hdd in there right now (little 5gig) |
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| 09:46.24 | Supaplex | neoice: after you know the proper filesystem, you can modify /boot/grub/menu.lst and update-grub to rehash the config. |
| 09:47.04 | Supaplex | neoice: eg, if you can boot from grub by hand. I could almost make a video of it, but I'm way too tired :) |
| 09:47.34 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: I've had Debian running on it for the last month. Today, it stopped working so I hooked amonitor to it, hit the reset button, and it went black. So I dropped a Gentoo cd rom in it to make sure the data was all there, rebooted back to Debian again; black screen. So I dropped the Debian CD in and re-installed. It rebooted to the same black screen no hdd light as it did when installed. It's been running Debian since November. |
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| 09:48.06 | neoice | Supaplex: I really dont think its that simple. EFI is kinda weird, with its two partition tables |
| 09:48.31 | Supaplex | humm. I've dabbled very little with EFI. |
| 09:49.15 | nsadmin | NineTeen67Comet: so debian works, cdrom boots, hd does not (as of this point, that's what we know) |
| 09:49.37 | Supaplex | nsadmin: I have a box like that. I have to force udma2 :-/ |
| 09:49.43 | neoice | Supaplex: its legacy support is unusual. |
| 09:49.44 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: yeah, thinkin' I'll plop another hdd in there as my OS hdd and see if that'll help it. I ran fsck with the Gentoo disc and it all wen twell (ext3 /boot, xfs / and plain old swap) |
| 09:49.57 | nsadmin | Supaplex: would you mind taking over here? |
| 09:50.17 | nsadmin | all I could do was clarify/identify the problem |
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| 09:51.20 | nsadmin | one thing would be nice to know is more about what was done just before the failure |
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| 09:51.29 | Supaplex | well, I'm spent. goodnight. |
| 09:51.37 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 09:51.44 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: Just handing out music to my MythBuntu box in the livingroom. |
| 09:51.45 | codingrobot | neoice: which grub are you using, legacy or v2 ? |
| 09:52.04 | neoice | codingrobot: the old one. I considered trying out grub2 |
| 09:52.14 | codingrobot | you'd better do it :) |
| 09:52.38 | codingrobot | the old one is really old, not supported anymore and lacks many many features |
| 09:52.44 | nsadmin | I like legacy grub... in v2's favor was it's easy to build |
| 09:52.49 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: the only way I knew it borked was the mythbuntu box stopped. I assumed it was my router since it's done that before. I came in and tried to ssh into the server and it was dead, so I reset it (hate doing that) and it never came back. |
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| 09:53.17 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 09:53.51 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: it's a pretty old box, with a pretty old hdd running for the OS (newer stuff for the data) .. |
| 09:54.07 | nsadmin | so you found the server dead, and the evidence was couldn't connect |
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| 09:54.54 | zxd | hi |
| 09:54.56 | neoice | codingrobot: I'll check it out I guess. like I said, it could also be an EFI issue... but if I can MOUNT the partition, why wouldnt the bootloader be able to see it? |
| 09:55.03 | zxd | what text web client supports baba script |
| 09:55.13 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: Yeah, that's what lead me to hooking a monitor to it. Sometimes I've had it not fully boot because of an NSF error, hdd error or someting but it always showed when I hooked a monitor to it. This time it was nothing. |
| 09:55.22 | nsadmin | I wonder if you can reinstall grub and see it boot |
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| 09:56.08 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: Well, I really did just re-install Debian 4.0 .. it kicked the cd out when it finished, and I hit continue .. blank screen, and here I am .. |
| 09:56.13 | nsadmin | do you know where the boot sector of that grub is? (mbr? partition?) |
| 09:56.23 | NineTeen67Comet | (hd0,0) |
| 09:56.30 | NineTeen67Comet | /dev/hda1 |
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| 09:56.39 | nsadmin | so it's on a partition |
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| 09:56.55 | nsadmin | maybe you could install that mbr package |
| 09:57.02 | NineTeen67Comet | nsadmin: I didn't do anything "funky" to this one .. it's just a Debian box, no dual boot no X server, just Debian file server. |
| 09:57.05 | nsadmin | I'm guessing the mbr is fried |
| 09:57.07 | MJS | good morning :) |
| 09:57.23 | NineTeen67Comet | bbaib .. kids deman |
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| 09:57.45 | codingrobot | are you sure out partition table is not GPT ? |
| 09:58.07 | nsadmin | I've had good luck with grub on mbr much more often than grub on primary partition |
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| 09:58.29 | nsadmin | what's a gpt partition table? |
| 09:58.48 | neoice | codingrobot: mine is |
| 09:58.59 | neoice | codingrobot: but I'm using the legacy MBR too |
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| 09:59.09 | codingrobot | ok ;) |
| 09:59.31 | neoice | codingrobot: THATS where I think the problem is. /dev/sda5 ISNT in the MBR. |
| 09:59.42 | nsadmin | you mean the one you'd get if you did a dos "fdisk /mbr"? |
| 09:59.42 | codingrobot | sure it isn't |
| 09:59.56 | codingrobot | mbr is not a partition |
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| 10:00.12 | codingrobot | just 512 bytes at the beginning of the disk |
| 10:00.36 | neoice | codingrobot: I dont mean literally inside the MBR. its not an entry in it. |
| 10:00.37 | nsadmin | also sda5 is not a primary partition... is it possible to boot from the boot sector of a logical partition? |
| 10:01.27 | codingrobot | erm..grub don't cares about that. |
| 10:01.46 | neoice | codingrobot: grub2 isnt loading :/ |
| 10:01.50 | codingrobot | i don't know how EFI handles the legacy mbr stuff |
| 10:01.55 | codingrobot | isn't loading ? |
| 10:02.06 | neoice | yeah, just shows "GRUB " |
| 10:02.25 | nsadmin | neoice: so grub is definitely starting to load |
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| 10:03.01 | codingrobot | grub-install /dev/sdX and update-grub should be working |
| 10:03.33 | codingrobot | you need to run update-grub after installing, because grub2 uses other config. files |
| 10:04.07 | neoice | of course, the nice little prompt menus didnt tell me that. it told me other things, but not that. |
| 10:04.21 | nsadmin | codingrobot: if X is a, that would cause grub to be installed onto the MBR (plus chainload of stage2) of /dev/sda? |
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| 10:04.37 | codingrobot | yes |
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| 10:05.16 | nsadmin | so grub-install does not do any stage1.5s? |
| 10:05.33 | codingrobot | it writes just 512 bytes to the MBR and after that grub gets its files from the linux partition |
| 10:06.30 | codingrobot | what do you mean by stage1.5 ? I assume stage1 is the bootstraping and stage2 is loading the menus, modules and other grub stuff |
| 10:06.33 | nsadmin | hmm. that means it does not chainload stage2? |
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| 10:09.25 | nsadmin | stage1 is what goes on the mbr, stage2 is grub... stage2 can be placed on the chainload section of either (1) the whole drive or (2) a primary partition... stage1 acts like lilo, that is it has to have a way to address the thing it loads next, which is either a stage2 (aka full grub boot) or a stage1.5 (in which is stored a pathname to the stage2, which it loads using filesystem support) |
| 10:09.26 | neoice | codingrobot: how do I get the UUID of the partition? |
| 10:09.56 | codingrobot | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 10:09.58 | nsadmin | (the above applies to legacy grub) |
| 10:11.53 | codingrobot | nsadmin: stage2 can be on any kind of partition, on my PC its on a logical partition |
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| 10:12.17 | Gigantic | if person A gives me a sign key for pkg B anf the file B.1 fail the checksum, how is that my fault? |
| 10:12.23 | nsadmin | stage1 can also boot a stage2 (or stage1.5) by doing what lilo did: store the sector references of all the sectors of the stage2 or 1.5, and load by paging those sectors into ram |
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| 10:13.53 | nsadmin | so you still have that 1024 cylendar limitation, but instead of the kernel having to be there, it's the stage2 or 1.5... now, if grub-install places a stage1.5 in the chainload section, then stage2 can be a file |
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| 10:17.20 | nsadmin | that is, if grub stage1 uses chs addressing for the sectors of the stageX |
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| 10:18.51 | nsadmin | the easiest way to get what you're talking about to happen, is to have grub stage1 chainload a stage1.5 which loads stage2 from a file |
| 10:20.10 | nsadmin | but grub (both legacy and v2) are far more flexible than that |
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| 10:21.14 | nsadmin | I like it simpler than that: my best and most consistant luck is when I put stage1 on the mbr and then chainload stage2 |
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| 10:25.42 | kantor | hi, I have some problems with the flash plugin. I reinstalled debian and the flash nonfree and the other mozilla flash plugin, but iceweasel still doesn't can run flash videos from the internet . . . |
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| 10:26.27 | kantor | I downloaded flash player 10 (the latest version), I installed manually, but the same problem. . . |
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| 10:26.36 | AussieGuy | ive just install apache, and it wont restart because of no httpd.conf |
| 10:27.00 | nsadmin | how did you install apache |
| 10:27.04 | _KaszpiR_ | hehe |
| 10:27.08 | _KaszpiR_ | epic, then |
| 10:27.08 | AussieGuy | apt-get install apache2 |
| 10:27.23 | _KaszpiR_ | -_- |
| 10:27.24 | nsadmin | ok, that should have placed a config file |
| 10:27.50 | nsadmin | do you have /etc/apache or /etc/apache2? |
| 10:27.54 | nsadmin | or both |
| 10:27.55 | AussieGuy | it didnt....only apache2.conf which contains an Include directive for httpd.conf |
| 10:28.00 | AussieGuy | hence no restarting |
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| 10:28.14 | nsadmin | how do you try to start? |
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| 10:28.29 | AussieGuy | ive got both |
| 10:28.33 | nsadmin | ok |
| 10:28.36 | AussieGuy | I accidently had apache 1.3 installed but I removed it |
| 10:28.42 | AussieGuy | using apt-get remove |
| 10:28.54 | nsadmin | and that config dir/files remain |
| 10:29.02 | AussieGuy | although I can still see a /etc/init.d/apache and a /etc/apache |
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| 10:29.17 | AussieGuy | let me check in the rc.d dirs |
| 10:29.21 | nsadmin | so how do you try to start it? |
| 10:30.08 | AussieGuy | yep, apt-get remove didnt remove a rc5 script for it in /etc/rc5.d |
| 10:30.28 | nsadmin | so it still tries to run /etc/init.d/apache |
| 10:30.35 | AussieGuy | assuming that will give me an error on startup....... I restart it using /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 10:30.47 | nsadmin | rc5? |
| 10:30.48 | AussieGuy | it probably would if thats there in rc5.d, on bootup |
| 10:31.00 | AussieGuy | itd run it when the system goes into run level 5 |
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| 10:31.19 | nsadmin | what about rc2-rc4, and what about rc0 and rc1? |
| 10:31.21 | dimir | wow |
| 10:31.32 | nsadmin | owo |
| 10:31.48 | AussieGuy | theres one in rc1 |
| 10:32.11 | nsadmin | what about rc2, rc3, rc4? what is your default runlevel? |
| 10:32.22 | AussieGuy | and rc2, rc3, rc4 |
| 10:32.41 | nsadmin | 2? |
| 10:32.41 | AussieGuy | well the default one cos I havent changed that |
| 10:32.53 | nsadmin | check in /etc/inittab |
| 10:33.15 | AussieGuy | the default is 2 |
| 10:33.38 | AussieGuy | so runlevel 2 |
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| 10:33.51 | nsadmin | ok, how many lines do you get from ls -ld /etc/init.d/apache* |
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| 10:34.11 | AussieGuy | 2 |
| 10:34.24 | nsadmin | ok, is one of those /etc/init.d/apache2? |
| 10:34.24 | AussieGuy | one for apache another for apache2, which I also just removed |
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| 10:34.38 | nsadmin | wait, you removed apache2? |
| 10:34.40 | AussieGuy | also...when I removed apache2 it said only 64kb of disk space would be freeed |
| 10:34.44 | AussieGuy | thought that was a bit sus |
| 10:34.54 | AussieGuy | cos apache is a bit bigger than 64kb |
| 10:35.02 | nsadmin | (no wonder it's not starting...) |
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| 10:35.40 | AussieGuy | I think there might be something wrong with the packages |
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| 10:35.59 | nsadmin | you just said you removed apache2... |
| 10:36.04 | AussieGuy | http://http.us.debian.org/debian is where it got them from I think |
| 10:36.10 | nsadmin | you sure that's what you meant? |
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| 10:36.16 | AussieGuy | yep |
| 10:36.24 | AussieGuy | Im getting rid of everything to start fresh |
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| 10:36.35 | AussieGuy | cos the install wasnt complete |
| 10:36.38 | nsadmin | ok, as long as it's removed, no wonder it's not starting |
| 10:37.09 | nsadmin | ok, try this before doing other things: |
| 10:37.20 | nsadmin | dpkg --configure --pending |
| 10:37.20 | dpkg | nsadmin: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 10:37.36 | nsadmin | dpkg: I wish it would rain |
| 10:37.36 | dpkg | nsadmin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 10:38.23 | nsadmin | dpkg: wet. water. get into your circuitry, shorts... arcs... deadbot! |
| 10:38.24 | dpkg | nsadmin: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 10:39.24 | nsadmin | dpkg: so you're sitting in a chair... wonderful... |
| 10:39.25 | dpkg | nsadmin: I give up, what is it? |
| 10:39.28 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 10:39.37 | AussieGuy | If I un-install apache 1.3 is it normal for there to still be scripts in /etc/init.d and /etc/rc.* ? |
| 10:39.51 | nsadmin | yes, unless you also purge |
| 10:39.58 | MJS | try apt-get --purge remove apache |
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| 10:40.56 | nsadmin | what you might try, is this, in this order: |
| 10:41.08 | nsadmin | dpkg --purge apache apache2 |
| 10:41.08 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up apache apache2 all over nsadmin and TinoW... |
| 10:41.21 | nsadmin | dpkg --configure --pending |
| 10:41.22 | dpkg | nsadmin: wish i knew |
| 10:41.38 | nsadmin | apt-get install apache2 |
| 10:42.17 | Octalot | a lot of bot-bothering this morning |
| 10:42.39 | nsadmin | yeah, he did bother me quite a bit... |
| 10:43.41 | nsadmin | AussieGuy: did dpkg --configure --pending do anything? |
| 10:44.00 | AussieGuy | it ran but put out nothing |
| 10:44.05 | AussieGuy | I did an apt-get update as well |
| 10:44.09 | nsadmin | ok, good |
| 10:44.21 | AussieGuy | and I purged apache/apache2 plus the mod php5 i also installed |
| 10:44.33 | nsadmin | if you did the purge step first, then you should have an absolutely fresh apache2 |
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| 10:45.06 | nsadmin | and as a very next step, I'd try it |
| 10:45.14 | r0ny | hi any one know about that issue of tomcat listening on tcp6 rather than tcp |
| 10:45.38 | r0ny | with the default installation |
| 10:45.44 | nsadmin | if people feel that was an issue, they'd report it to the bts |
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| 10:46.38 | AussieGuy | well, did all that....it still installs an apache2 without a httpd.conf |
| 10:46.39 | nsadmin | AussieGuy: so after purging (and after apt-get update), did you apt-get install apache2? |
| 10:46.57 | AussieGuy | yep, still no httpd.conf |
| 10:47.06 | nsadmin | what happens when you try dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 10:47.12 | nsadmin | wait, one more time |
| 10:47.17 | nsadmin | what happens when you try dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
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| 10:47.57 | nsadmin | AussieGuy: so there's no httpd.conf... does that mean it doesn't start? |
| 10:48.16 | AussieGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.26 | nsadmin | also, after purging, you should now have no /etc/apache and no /etc/init.d/apache |
| 10:48.39 | AussieGuy | apache2 installed an apache2.conf....which makes a reference to httpd.conf (include directive) |
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| 10:48.53 | AussieGuy | so when I start apache it complains that theres no such file httpd.conf referenced to by apache2.conf |
| 10:48.56 | nsadmin | so it doesn't start because of that directive |
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| 10:49.08 | AussieGuy | pretty much |
| 10:49.41 | nsadmin | which also implies there was no difference between the install as you had it before and now with a fresh install |
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| 10:49.56 | AussieGuy | yep, what package has dpkg-reconfigure in it? |
| 10:50.06 | nsadmin | are you root? |
| 10:50.14 | AussieGuy | using sudo |
| 10:50.19 | nsadmin | ok, so yes |
| 10:50.24 | nsadmin | effectively |
| 10:51.21 | nsadmin | try this: ls /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 10:52.17 | nsadmin | also cat /etc/debian_version and cat /proc/version |
| 10:52.47 | AussieGuy | ok, ran the reconfigure for apache2 |
| 10:53.03 | AussieGuy | version is 4.0 |
| 10:53.08 | nsadmin | and did the file show up? |
| 10:53.21 | AussieGuy | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 |
| 10:53.44 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 10:53.59 | AussieGuy | yeah dpkg-reconfigure showed up, I ran it for apache2...no output but im assuming it did what its supposed to do |
| 10:54.17 | nsadmin | see what's in /etc/apache2 now |
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| 10:54.49 | AussieGuy | still no httpd.conf |
| 10:54.58 | nsadmin | if dpkg-reconfigure is failing silently, that's a problem |
| 10:55.20 | nsadmin | could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:55.34 | AussieGuy | turns out this is a bug |
| 10:55.41 | AussieGuy | i just found it and a workaround http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-apache@lists.debian.org/msg08762.html |
| 10:55.43 | nsadmin | known? |
| 10:55.53 | nsadmin | so it is :) |
| 10:56.23 | AussieGuy | pretty old one though....7 apr 07 |
| 10:56.23 | nsadmin | what's the date on that message |
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| 10:56.27 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 10:56.40 | AussieGuy | still, same error...ill do what it says cos it might fix it |
| 10:56.57 | nsadmin | wonder why a fix didn't make it into a point release |
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| 10:58.17 | nsadmin | I use aolserver which I always build myself because I do not want debian touching it |
| 10:58.19 | AussieGuy | it was as simple as sudo touch httpd.conf |
| 10:58.28 | AussieGuy | to make a dummy one |
| 10:58.55 | nsadmin | I guess you could either comment out the reference, or delete it |
| 10:59.10 | AussieGuy | yeah, commenting out was workaround 2 |
| 10:59.34 | nsadmin | I wonder if the lack of an httpd.conf was an oversight from porting the configs to apache2 |
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| 11:00.01 | beardy | nsadmin: What? |
| 11:00.08 | nsadmin | if everything you need is in apache2.conf you're good |
| 11:00.31 | beardy | Oh, you said aolserver.. nevermind. Haha.. |
| 11:01.06 | nsadmin | yes I did... and it's not necessarily because it's better or worse, I need it for what I run |
| 11:01.11 | AussieGuy | im installing torrentflux, to set up a tracker/seedbox |
| 11:02.18 | nsadmin | otoh, if tcl and the aolserver api were available under apache, I might try that |
| 11:02.30 | nsadmin | or other more modern server |
| 11:02.42 | Gigantic | Do I look like a noob?! |
| 11:03.03 | nsadmin | only if you've never seen a boob.... |
| 11:03.15 | Gigantic | what's that? |
| 11:03.26 | nsadmin | what's what? |
| 11:03.30 | beardy | Ignore it. |
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| 11:04.17 | nsadmin | Gigantic: so I'm just playing... are you sure you meant to post that to #debian? |
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| 11:04.57 | Gigantic | man, I get a bug in mysql and instead of help all I get is blames about my config, I have issues with ff/iw and all I get is that my cookies are wrong, I get a bad md5sum and all I get is that my gpg ring is wrong! |
| 11:05.16 | Gigantic | is like if it were imposible to believe that I might actually get a bug |
| 11:05.34 | Gigantic | nsadmin: yeah, I'm just frustrated :P |
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| 11:05.58 | nsadmin | Gigantic: you mean when you file the bug? |
| 11:06.29 | beardy | He just joined and started whining about something happening somewhere else apparently. |
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| 11:06.48 | Doctor-Steve_ | ello |
| 11:06.48 | Doctor-Steve_ | people who can compile kernels! |
| 11:06.53 | beardy | Just ask your question. |
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| 11:07.14 | nsadmin | I actually hand-assemble my own kernels on the fly... |
| 11:07.15 | Gigantic | nah, forexample there was a misssigned file... it took me like 2 hrs to convince them to check it, they were blaming me that *something* I did was wrong... finally I got them to check it out and guess what... it was indeed wring |
| 11:07.18 | Doctor-Steve_ | i just tried to compile my kernel and im getting a Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 11:07.20 | Doctor-Steve_ | whats wrong? |
| 11:07.44 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: you using make-kpkg? try feeding it --initrd |
| 11:07.55 | Gigantic | but, yes this is not the place so I shut up before I get my but out of here :) |
| 11:08.00 | simonrvn | like it says, can't find / |
| 11:08.09 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, why does that make it different? |
| 11:08.25 | Doctor-Steve_ | simonrvn, how do i get it to find /? |
| 11:08.32 | simonrvn | because it might actually work |
| 11:09.00 | nsadmin | depends on why it can't find /, but the most common reason is because drivers are not present in the kernel or loaded from modules |
| 11:09.18 | Gigantic | did you include the propper fs moules? |
| 11:09.43 | Gigantic | or the HD modules |
| 11:09.43 | Doctor-Steve_ | i dont know :( i just use my config from /boot/ then make oldconfig.... |
| 11:09.43 | nsadmin | right, you need that as well as the block driver |
| 11:09.56 | nsadmin | ok, good, |
| 11:10.01 | nsadmin | try --initrd |
| 11:10.10 | simonrvn | better to know that shoot in the dark |
| 11:10.12 | nsadmin | are you buildign the same version? |
| 11:10.18 | beardy | Doctor-Steve_: Like they said, IDE (or SATA or SCSI) drivers, filesystem modules, or no initrd. |
| 11:11.16 | beardy | Why do you need to compile one if you use ldconfig without checking? |
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| 11:11.20 | beardy | o |
| 11:11.30 | Doctor-Steve_ | beardy, dont ask, long story |
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| 11:11.51 | Doctor-Steve_ | could it be because fstab has /dev/sda1 and such instead of the UUIDs? |
| 11:12.02 | beardy | Doctor-Steve_: Then support ends here. Bye. |
| 11:12.11 | Doctor-Steve_ | what do u mean? |
| 11:12.19 | nsadmin | simonrvn: if you can help him know, more power to ya... it's kinda hard to debug if the messages aren't available.. |
| 11:12.23 | Doctor-Steve_ | beardy, what was it i said? |
| 11:12.42 | simonrvn | nsadmin: i know, *sigh*. |
| 11:12.54 | Gigantic | Does anyone know somthing about Iceweasel? I need to edit the search string for the Google bar |
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| 11:13.15 | Gigantic | but don't know where... maybe underchrome://something ? |
| 11:13.19 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: he was trying to ask you for necessary info, which you're filtering... he probably experiences it like having to pull teeth to get info to help you |
| 11:13.31 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: but I'd try --initrd |
| 11:13.51 | nsadmin | your old kernel probably did have an initrd |
| 11:14.07 | Doctor-Steve_ | kk |
| 11:14.07 | nsadmin | you still didn't answer: same kernel version? |
| 11:14.12 | Doctor-Steve_ | that includes a ram-disk if i remember correctly |
| 11:14.24 | Doctor-Steve_ | different kernel version, thats why I thought i was meant to use make oldconfig |
| 11:14.44 | dutchfish | enouf, ran into another one was 2.6.26-11 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.27.y.git;a=commit;h=a78f8afe3491080e7fce1d1fa59207a4a558bc7d |
| 11:14.45 | nsadmin | more specifically, it arranges for the resulting debian package to examine yoursystem and build the ramdisk image |
| 11:14.59 | simonrvn | Doctor-Steve_: http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Debian_newbie_help_documentation |
| 11:15.20 | nsadmin | how different? |
| 11:15.28 | nsadmin | or nm that question |
| 11:15.43 | nsadmin | what version was the config from? what version are you compiling? |
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| 11:15.49 | simonrvn | !newbiedoc is <reply>http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Debian_newbie_help_documentation |
| 11:15.49 | dpkg | ...but newbiedoc is already something else... |
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| 11:16.37 | craigevil | apt-get install newbiedoc |
| 11:16.57 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, ill get versions for you now |
| 11:17.01 | simonrvn | aptitude install drill-in-head |
| 11:17.03 | Gigantic | oh I got it... nvm |
| 11:17.08 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 11:17.56 | craigevil | 5 yrs running sid I am used to uses apt :P |
| 11:18.03 | nsadmin | it would seem that package could be damaging to existing hardware... |
| 11:18.26 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, ok back loaded |
| 11:18.41 | nsadmin | so you have your old kernel running? |
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| 11:19.09 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, config file is from 2.6.26.8 and new kernel is 2.6.26.8.... |
| 11:19.19 | Doctor-Steve_ | my old kernel is running |
| 11:19.26 | Doctor-Steve_ | so its same config and kernel |
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| 11:19.52 | nsadmin | ok, so make oldconfig did not stop to ask you a question that was previously unasked? |
| 11:19.56 | Doctor-Steve_ | so im guessing, try --intrd then... |
| 11:20.01 | nsadmin | yep |
| 11:20.07 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, asked a couple of things... |
| 11:20.10 | Doctor-Steve_ | ill give that a go tho |
| 11:20.15 | Doctor-Steve_ | anything else to try? |
| 11:20.24 | nsadmin | start with that |
| 11:20.37 | simonrvn | craigevil: i got used to aptitude quite fast. jumped into it you could say =). |
| 11:20.55 | Doctor-Steve_ | ill give that a go |
| 11:21.01 | Doctor-Steve_ | but it takes a good 40 mins to build a kernel :( |
| 11:21.13 | nsadmin | unless you changed the drivers from module to in-kernel, you need for the package to generate an initrd |
| 11:21.24 | Doctor-Steve_ | kk :) |
| 11:21.42 | dutchfish | !tell Doctor-Steve_ about ccache |
| 11:21.46 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: if it takes a good 40 mins, then that's good, right? |
| 11:21.47 | craigevil | the one time i tried to use it i forgot i had a kde package on hold and aptitude wanted to pretty much remove kde, apt was smart enough to just hold the packages back it depended on |
| 11:21.51 | simonrvn | 40 min o_O |
| 11:21.57 | Doctor-Steve_ | so my make-kpkg command will look like this: make-kpkg --intrd --append-to-version=.030320 kernel_image |
| 11:22.04 | Doctor-Steve_ | yea... i dont care... 40 mins is nothing :P |
| 11:22.04 | simonrvn | damn, i bitch if it goes over 3 hours |
| 11:22.15 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 11:22.54 | simonrvn | craigevil: it's gotten better since, but it's better if you stick with one or the other. |
| 11:23.00 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, lol, what hardware do u have? |
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| 11:23.43 | nsadmin | amd64x2 on a little asus m2npv-vm mobo |
| 11:24.35 | nsadmin | I got the cheapest amd64x2 they had that still had a cpu fan in the box |
| 11:24.42 | simonrvn | meh. (unrelated to ^^^) |
| 11:25.05 | simonrvn | nsadmin: cool |
| 11:26.00 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, cute :P |
| 11:26.12 | nsadmin | it's got a nvidia on the board... I also bought a very similar mobo that has an ati |
| 11:26.53 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin i put together a quad-core processor, 6GB ram, 1TB RAID5 and a 9800GTS workstation for work :P |
| 11:27.00 | nsadmin | once I find out that free 3d drivers for radeons cover that, I'm gonna switch |
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| 11:27.52 | nsadmin | I don't personally need anything close to that |
| 11:28.20 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, yea... i just hate upgrading, last pc was a little p4 2.4ghz, 512mb ram... |
| 11:28.21 | Doctor-Steve_ | lol |
| 11:28.32 | nsadmin | (btw the only good raid is real hardware raid) |
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| 11:28.50 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, i do :P |
| 11:29.25 | nsadmin | yeah, meetoo,,, it was expensive to go from 32b to 64b but I felt it necessary just to stay in the game |
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| 11:29.59 | chairmeleon | this may very well be the most moronical support situation ever experienced in this channel |
| 11:30.00 | macbroadcast | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.29 | chairmeleon | but...I just recently, accidentally wiped the mbr of my running system using fdisk on the incorrect disk :/ |
| 11:30.32 | nsadmin | goes into moronical support mode |
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| 11:31.22 | nsadmin | is the partition table intact? |
| 11:31.28 | chairmeleon | as my system is still up and running, and all partitions are accessible, is there any way to save the mbr from it's "current state?" |
| 11:31.45 | dutchfish | nsadmin, BOFH? |
| 11:31.51 | chairmeleon | nsadmin: well disk tools display 500gb of free space, but the system is still running |
| 11:31.52 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, any other ideas to try while im waiting for this thing to compile? |
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| 11:33.42 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: not that I know of... the thing you need to understand is, the config file from /boot was very likely put there by installing a debian package... right now debian puts everything possible into modules... this includes block and fs drivers, which among others could be used to mount /... |
| 11:34.01 | nsadmin | but if nothing is mounted, how can you load modules? |
| 11:34.09 | nsadmin | that's the catch22 |
| 11:34.14 | nsadmin | do you understand that part |
| 11:34.17 | dutchfish | soemthing like: dd if=/dev/hda of=hda-mbr-full bs=512 count=1 |
| 11:35.35 | chairmeleon | dutchfish: what, more precisely, would that command do? |
| 11:35.50 | dutchfish | chairmeleon, make a copy of your mbr to a file |
| 11:35.56 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, so i cant mount modules from / if it isnt mount :P |
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| 11:36.05 | nsadmin | copy MBR to file hda-mbr-full |
| 11:36.07 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, how do i mount it then? |
| 11:36.13 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, how do i do that? |
| 11:36.25 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: that's what your kernel was asking too |
| 11:36.27 | chairmeleon | dutchfish: well, if my disk shows up as empty in partitioning tools, the mbr is indeed dead and gone, isn't it? |
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| 11:36.33 | dutchfish | chairmeleon, where /dev/hda need to be replaced by your harddisk /dev/something |
| 11:36.49 | chairmeleon | dutchfish: I know :) |
| 11:37.24 | dutchfish | chairmeleon, maybe, in some FS there is a spare copy of the mbr |
| 11:37.43 | dutchfish | chairmeleon, not in EXT3 |
| 11:37.57 | chairmeleon | dutchfish: in ntfs? I have one windows partition on the disk |
| 11:38.15 | nsadmin | when it said "VFS: can't mount /", underlying that was the question: where's the driver I need to (1) access the drive and (2) access the filesystem on the / partition |
| 11:38.19 | dutchfish | chairmeleon, not sure about that, vista does it at least, the rest i don tknow |
| 11:38.31 | nsadmin | understand the problem? |
| 11:38.38 | chairmeleon | dutchfish: sweet, it's vista on the partition |
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| 11:38.51 | dutchfish | chairmeleon, then you have a copy of the mbr |
| 11:38.56 | chairmeleon | so I should use windows system tools to restore the thingy? like an installation dvd? |
| 11:39.04 | nsadmin | you won't understand the solution unless you understand what the problem is |
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| 11:39.13 | dutchfish | chairmeleon, wrong place to ask that, i dunoo ;) |
| 11:39.27 | chairmeleon | dutchfish: alright well thanks for the assistance :) |
| 11:39.31 | dutchfish | chairmeleon, yw |
| 11:40.08 | dutchfish | chairmeleon, i do always make a copy of the mbr in linux as i just explained, just in case .... |
| 11:40.31 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, kool |
| 11:40.33 | dutchfish | !backup |
| 11:40.33 | dpkg | it has been said that backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest ... |
| 11:41.00 | chairmeleon | dutchfish: good practice, so will I be doing in the future |
| 11:41.08 | dutchfish | chairmeleon, ;) |
| 11:41.20 | Doctor-Steve_ | dutchfish, just lost 500GB of downloads :P |
| 11:41.22 | Doctor-Steve_ | :( |
| 11:41.43 | chairmeleon | luckily enough however, I had an empty 500gb external hdd right beside me, so I'll just save my /home to it and then do a clean install :D |
| 11:41.47 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, even when you lost your mbr, its easely to revive the FS |
| 11:42.06 | Doctor-Steve_ | dutchfish, once i get this beast up and running to the point its usable, im going to try just that |
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| 11:42.36 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, therefore debian has rescue mode |
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| 11:43.17 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: so, your debian wouldn't boot from your new kernel because it didn't know how to even access your hd controller |
| 11:43.18 | dutchfish | Doctor-Steve_, and you can use special boot-images that relax the burden |
| 11:43.30 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, what do u mean? |
| 11:43.39 | FILLVAIO2 | Hello folk! I have installed - [libc6 2.7-16] how to back it on [libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7] using apt? |
| 11:43.45 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, its just one of the harddrives thats corrupt, my / and such are fine |
| 11:44.17 | jelly-home | FILLVAIO2: apt-get install foo=version |
| 11:44.24 | Doctor-Steve_ | hehehe |
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| 11:44.48 | simonrvn | FILLVAIO2: why did you do that? |
| 11:44.51 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: yes, that all may be true... but the kernel did not have the block driver compiled in to access your drive |
| 11:45.04 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, so how do i make sure it does now? |
| 11:45.16 | simonrvn | jelly-home: um, lookie at what he's talking about. |
| 11:45.21 | simonrvn | !coffee jelly-home |
| 11:45.21 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of fair trade Colombian for jelly-home, courtesy of simonrvn |
| 11:45.35 | nsadmin | that information is in modules, which are stored on disk |
| 11:45.44 | nsadmin | understand that part? |
| 11:46.01 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I chose to ignore any context and answer exactly what was asked. |
| 11:46.32 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, yea... so how do i load the block drivers, inbuilt instead of module? |
| 11:46.32 | jelly-home | simonrvn: fsvo exactly |
| 11:46.39 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, the old kernel works tho |
| 11:46.41 | JyZyXEL | anyone here using OPIE? |
| 11:46.51 | simonrvn | jelly-home: heh, ok |
| 11:47.04 | dutchfish | is there a place in PTS where i can see an overview of the patches that debian has aplied to one of its kernels? |
| 11:47.13 | simonrvn | jelly-home: the coffee still applies ;). good morning :) |
| 11:47.35 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: do you understand that it is this very question that the new kernel could not answer and therefore failed to mount /? |
| 11:48.03 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, yea... |
| 11:48.05 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I'm afraid it's half past morning now |
| 11:48.15 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, what i wana know is how do i fix? |
| 11:48.24 | nsadmin | ok, so: debian and other dists came up with a different solution |
| 11:48.30 | jelly-home | will take the coffee though |
| 11:48.47 | simonrvn | :D |
| 11:49.12 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, how? |
| 11:49.21 | jelly-home | as for <simonrvn> FILLVAIO2: why did you do that?, 12 hours before that it was <FILLVAIO2> guys! what to do if i have error: > Build-dependencies for apache2 could not be satisfied ??? |
| 11:49.22 | nsadmin | because redhat, debian and many others had the same problem before the solution I'm about to describe came into common use |
| 11:49.25 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, i gotta b up for work in less then 6 hours... |
| 11:49.37 | Doctor-Steve_ | RAMDISK! |
| 11:49.44 | Doctor-Steve_ | i got it! |
| 11:49.49 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin you are a genious :P |
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| 11:49.58 | nsadmin | right. |
| 11:50.16 | nsadmin | solid_liq: there is this disk file called an initial ramdisk image |
| 11:50.27 | nsadmin | and grub or lilo load it |
| 11:50.36 | nsadmin | into ram |
| 11:50.41 | Doctor-Steve_ | so it loads the kernel into ram, then the ramdisk (a.k.a kernel in ram) loads the block drivers! and/or fs drivers... |
| 11:50.42 | nsadmin | after doing this, |
| 11:50.45 | Doctor-Steve_ | you are my hero! |
| 11:50.53 | nsadmin | right |
| 11:51.08 | nsadmin | now the real genius is in how this is arranged in debian |
| 11:51.14 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, why couldnt someone have explained this early?!? |
| 11:51.19 | nsadmin | (hi manoj :P) |
| 11:51.21 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, u genious |
| 11:51.47 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: because you didn't yet understand the problem and therefore could not understand the solution |
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| 11:52.16 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, and now i understand :) |
| 11:52.17 | nsadmin | here's debian's solution: |
| 11:52.40 | nsadmin | when you say make-kpkg ... --initrd ... |
| 11:52.47 | simonrvn | jelly-home: oh my. there goes another dead install. |
| 11:52.58 | nsadmin | it builds a debian package with special instructions |
| 11:53.08 | nsadmin | when this debian package is installed, |
| 11:53.22 | nsadmin | it examines your (important:) RUNNING system |
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| 11:53.55 | nsadmin | and sees how the system mounts / |
| 11:54.02 | Doctor-Steve_ | kk |
| 11:54.11 | Doctor-Steve_ | then if that fails check drivers... im guessing? |
| 11:54.20 | jelly-home | simonrvn: if my guess is correct and he only did that to satisfy build-depends, it's possible that only some libs are upgraded and a downgrade will be simple enough |
| 11:54.25 | nsadmin | then, the debian package continues by learning which modules are involved in mounting / |
| 11:54.49 | nsadmin | then, the debian package continues by building an initial ramdisk image that includes those modules |
| 11:54.59 | simonrvn | only if it didn't upgrade half the system |
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| 11:55.14 | jelly-home | nsadmin: of course! you wouldn't be building an image for a different machine, now would you@! |
| 11:55.19 | dutchfish | or to put it in more precise words, is thee a debina page where i can view what options (patches) http://packages.debian.org/lenny/dh-kpatches has? |
| 11:55.33 | nsadmin | jelly-home: patience :P I'm getting to that point |
| 11:55.57 | jelly-home | nsadmin: it doesn't really matter, since an update-initramfs is called at postinst time |
| 11:56.10 | jelly-home | afaik |
| 11:56.20 | simonrvn | dutchfish: no. get the debian diff |
| 11:56.26 | simonrvn | it is |
| 11:56.47 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: so, at this point the debian package has: |
| 11:56.55 | dutchfish | simonrvn, i dont understand what you mean |
| 11:56.57 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.04 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.17 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.28 | nsadmin | then it does one more thing: |
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| 11:57.43 | nsadmin | it tells grub there's a new kernel in town |
| 11:58.21 | nsadmin | hits hedgehoginfog with a log |
| 11:58.48 | Doctor-Steve_ | its done... |
| 11:58.52 | Doctor-Steve_ | lets see how it goes :P |
| 11:59.00 | nsadmin | so now you have a debian package |
| 11:59.24 | Doctor-Steve_ | then dpkg -i linux-image... |
| 11:59.29 | dutchfish | simonrvn, i am bit confused because dh-kpatches has no manpage |
| 12:00.15 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: which is found in .. |
| 12:00.39 | Doctor-Steve_ | and heres the attempt 'reboot' |
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| 12:01.01 | nsadmin | you may have seen dpkg makeing the initrd image |
| 12:01.19 | Doctor-Steve_ | one sec |
| 12:01.25 | Doctor-Steve_ | i had ALOT of errors booting |
| 12:01.29 | Doctor-Steve_ | how can i view them? |
| 12:01.43 | dutchfish | simonrvn, i found something, but i dont know if it is complete: http://lintian.debian.org/maintainer/dirson@debian.org.html#dh-kpatches |
| 12:01.47 | simonrvn | nsadmin: hehe (@ hedgehog....) |
| 12:02.00 | nsadmin | not sure, what errors? |
| 12:02.02 | Doctor-Steve_ | it reads all the hardware tho! |
| 12:02.03 | Doctor-Steve_ | woot |
| 12:02.06 | Doctor-Steve_ | i dunno |
| 12:02.10 | Doctor-Steve_ | it booted correctly |
| 12:02.15 | Doctor-Steve_ | just had a bunch of IO errors |
| 12:02.20 | Doctor-Steve_ | where can i view them? |
| 12:02.22 | nsadmin | so / is mounted this time? |
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| 12:02.26 | simonrvn | htat's just a lintian repot for the DD in question. |
| 12:02.54 | simonrvn | nm my error-prone typing ... |
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| 12:02.59 | Doctor-Steve_ | yea :) |
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| 12:03.03 | Doctor-Steve_ | we made progress! |
| 12:03.04 | Doctor-Steve_ | hehehe |
| 12:03.10 | nsadmin | and your system is running? |
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| 12:03.20 | nsadmin | can you log in? |
| 12:03.23 | Doctor-Steve_ | yea... |
| 12:03.26 | Doctor-Steve_ | /var/log/syslog |
| 12:03.30 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 12:03.35 | dutchfish | simonrvn, i made many typos also, np |
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| 12:03.53 | Doctor-Steve_ | has errors like 'end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 100480 |
| 12:03.54 | Doctor-Steve_ | whats that? |
| 12:04.09 | jelly-home | Doctor-Steve_: sr0 is a cdrom/dvd device |
| 12:04.12 | nsadmin | simonrvn: he ended up figuring out the solution himself, but only after understanding the problem |
| 12:04.14 | Doctor-Steve_ | i see.. |
| 12:04.21 | Doctor-Steve_ | so the Cdrom drive is screwed?!? |
| 12:04.27 | simonrvn | good |
| 12:04.32 | valdyn | Doctor-Steve_: the disk is |
| 12:04.35 | jelly-home | Doctor-Steve_: or, more likely, the media might b |
| 12:04.47 | Doctor-Steve_ | i can understand that :P |
| 12:04.56 | nsadmin | got tuh b |
| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/perl5/HTML/Form.pm' returned no results. |
| 12:05.03 | Doctor-Steve_ | these are shitass 10 cent disks :P |
| 12:05.24 | valdyn | Doctor-Steve_: or maybe its just an empty disk |
| 12:05.28 | Doctor-Steve_ | so now tomoz i can turn the kernel... |
| 12:05.37 | doudou | Hi, i run ls -l a wanted to knwow the meaning of what is writen, so i tried man ls, it says it has been writen in january 2007 but nothing explains the output of the command, where is my mistake? |
| 12:05.53 | nsadmin | dpkg: do you realize I made the request you just responded to about an hour ago? |
| 12:05.53 | dpkg | wonders why those smelly goats should do you realize I made the request you just responded to about an hour ago |
| 12:05.53 | Doctor-Steve_ | when media has been taken out, works perfectly! |
| 12:06.19 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, what? |
| 12:06.28 | jelly-home | doudou: use "info coreutils ls" instead |
| 12:06.41 | nsadmin | Doctor-Steve_: I asked dpkg about Form.pm about an hour ago |
| 12:06.41 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, thanks so freaking much! ur my hero! |
| 12:06.42 | Doctor-Steve_ | :) |
| 12:06.53 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, i owe u something |
| 12:06.55 | Doctor-Steve_ | nsadmin, hehehe |
| 12:06.56 | Doctor-Steve_ | lataz |
| 12:07.11 | nsadmin | then gimme something :P |
| 12:07.51 | nsadmin | !find Form.pm |
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| 12:08.07 | cahoot | ! |
| 12:08.18 | jelly-home | judd: find /HTML/Form.pm |
| 12:08.18 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "find" is not a valid command. |
| 12:08.20 | doudou | jelly-home, i made no mistake? how to get this kind of knowledge another way that pluging here? |
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| 12:08.33 | brutus | Hey, my USB drive isn't mounting, even though I've selected automount from Removable Devices and Media. What's the problem? |
| 12:08.37 | rio | hi i can't find libcurl3-dev, where is it (lenny, armel) |
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| 12:08.52 | jelly-home | doudou: the bottom of the man page should say to consult info, too |
| 12:08.55 | valdyn | doudou: ls is in a package, that package has a base documentation in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 12:09.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Form.pm' (6 of 18): (/usr/share/perl5/HTML/Form.pm) in perl/libwww-perl ;; (/usr/share/sql-ledger/SL/Form.pm) in web/sql-ledger ;; (/usr/lib/interchange/Vend/Form.pm) in web/interchange ;; (/usr/lib/perl5/Embperl/Form.pm) in web/libembperl-perl ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Jifty/Web/Form.pm) in perl/libjifty-perl ;; (/usr/lib/perl5/WWW/Curl/Form.pm) in perl/libwww-curl-perl. |
| 12:09.25 | dutchfish | brutus, what does lsusb tells you? |
| 12:09.31 | valdyn | doudou: and the README or somesuch there will probably tell you that gnu prefers info over man |
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| 12:09.56 | nsadmin | so this is HTML::Form? |
| 12:10.00 | jelly-home | and debian's info/dir will stop you from using "info ls", as it should work |
| 12:10.17 | jelly-home | nsadmin: libwww-perl, yes |
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| 12:10.31 | nsadmin | one more: |
| 12:10.40 | nsadmin | !info libwww-perl etch |
| 12:10.52 | jelly-home | judd: versions libwww-perl |
| 12:10.53 | judd | jelly-home: libwww-perl -- etch: 5.805-1 lenny: 5.813-1 sid: 5.820-1 |
| 12:11.05 | brutus | dutchfish, That command hangs the terminal. Nothing shows up |
| 12:11.10 | dpkg | libwww-perl: (WWW client/server library for Perl (aka LWP)), section perl, is optional. Version: 5.805-1 (etch), Packaged size: 352 kB, Installed size: 988 kB |
| 12:11.11 | jelly-home | nsadmin: judd is faster; but I don't know what it can do |
| 12:11.24 | nsadmin | thanks jelly-home |
| 12:11.26 | dutchfish | brutus, ouch, it should not, or the bus is very busy |
| 12:11.33 | doudou | and how do find the package of a command? how to know that ls is coreutils, and for example g++ ? |
| 12:11.54 | nsadmin | doudou: one way is apt-file |
| 12:12.05 | jelly-home | doudou: if it's installed, dpkg -S `which ls` |
| 12:12.11 | dutchfish | brutus, are there usb hubs connected? |
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| 12:12.34 | jelly-home | !+tell doudou -about search |
| 12:12.34 | dpkg | told doudou about search. |
| 12:12.50 | brutus | dutchfish, it hangs with or without any USB devices plugged in... |
| 12:12.51 | ronsel | hello i got an rssh_chroot_helper[7324]: chroot() failed, 2: Operation not permitted |
| 12:13.00 | brutus | dutchfish, right now nothing's connected via USB to my laptop |
| 12:13.03 | ronsel | anyone has a idea? |
| 12:13.06 | dutchfish | brutus, what kernel? |
| 12:13.27 | dutchfish | brutus, and what debian version? |
| 12:13.36 | brutus | dutchfish, Linux ubuntu 2.6.22-16-generic #1 SMP Mon Nov 24 18:28:27 GMT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:13.47 | nsadmin | ronsel: they need to know exactly what you were doing when you got that |
| 12:13.54 | jelly-home | brutus: that's a kernel version |
| 12:14.00 | doudou | weel anyhow i cant find the meaning of info displayed with ls -l, specialy the second row number |
| 12:14.22 | nsadmin | jelly-home: which is interesting in what it reveals |
| 12:14.28 | ronsel | nsadmin: i tried to create a restricted ssh acces to a user |
| 12:14.33 | ronsel | with rssh |
| 12:14.39 | dutchfish | brutus, mm... is your BIOS latest update? |
| 12:14.51 | Gromgull | My desktop has over the years been dist-upgraded from woody, and is now lenny... i have a feeling I've got a lot of old crud lying around though... For instance, do I need both xfstt and xfs? |
| 12:14.51 | jelly-home | brutus: it looks like you are connected to the wrong machine, instead of debian you got to an ubuntu one |
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| 12:14.54 | ronsel | it works but chroot doesn't work |
| 12:15.07 | brutus | dutchfish, err....How do I find that out? |
| 12:15.11 | nsadmin | ronsel: tell (not me but) the channel exactly how |
| 12:15.33 | brutus | jelly-home, I have gutsy ubuntu running on my HP lappie |
| 12:15.39 | dutchfish | brutus, find the BIOS version on boot or go into bios and look and check on manufactorers website |
| 12:15.41 | jelly-home | dutchfish, brutus: please continue the discussion in the appropiate channel |
| 12:15.52 | nsadmin | Gromgull: do you have truetype fonts? |
| 12:15.57 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yes, sorry |
| 12:16.00 | Gromgull | nsadmin: of course |
| 12:16.13 | nsadmin | do you also have non-truetype fonts? |
| 12:16.35 | Gromgull | I guess I have them, but they dont get much use |
| 12:16.40 | ronsel | if i login with restricted user (sftp) i got the line: Dec 14 13:08:54 RS rssh_chroot_helper[7324]: chroot() failed, 2: Operation not permitted |
| 12:16.42 | nsadmin | if yes to that, it's a good chance you need both |
| 12:16.43 | brutus | dutchfish, could you please join #ubuntu |
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| 12:16.45 | ronsel | in syslog |
| 12:17.01 | ronsel | i think sftp-server couldn't start |
| 12:17.18 | Gromgull | nsadmin: ok - i understood that in modern xorg truetype support was somehow built into xfs or something... but never mind :) Thanks! |
| 12:17.35 | jelly-home | Gromgull: heh, you probably need neither. |
| 12:18.01 | nsadmin | Gromgull: if it's built into the server, see jelly-home |
| 12:18.46 | jelly-home | afaiui, rendition of ttf fonts is done in the X client with help of Render extension. No X font servers involved |
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| 12:19.09 | Gromgull | jelly-home: ok ... i guess I try removing both and see what happens |
| 12:19.11 | nsadmin | oh, built into xfs? then you just need xfs... see? it's in knowing what they do and what kind of data they operate on that you can make a decision on what you need and what you dont' |
| 12:19.31 | Gromgull | nsadmin: yes - but I dont really know - and therefore I came here for guidance :) |
| 12:19.46 | Gromgull | googling these things brings up a lot of outdated "how do I get ttf" things |
| 12:20.00 | nsadmin | so the question you're asking is really much larger than just xfs/xfstt |
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| 12:21.39 | Gromgull | well - i stopped both services now... and without restarting X I can still chose and display truetype fonts |
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| 12:23.00 | doudou | disconnected from server |
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| 12:25.01 | ronsel | ok thx its works, ... i forgot to set rssh suid to root |
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| 12:28.11 | nsadmin | Gromgull: so perhaps you need neither... so when you go beyond and look at other packages you may or may not need, the thing to do is learn about them and/or experiment with them |
| 12:28.34 | doudou | info coreutils ls --> 10.1.2 (second page of info) --dired ... an entire page to explain a feature that probably 1 person a milion would use... |
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| 12:28.48 | doudou | my question is now : what is done to change this mess? |
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| 12:31.19 | doudou | obviously info coreutils ls would not tell what mean the number in the second row of "ls -l", and know i have spent almost 30 minutes "searching" |
| 12:31.52 | nsadmin | doudou: emacs uses dired |
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| 12:32.50 | doudou | what do you think about : "before complex try mastering simple" ? is that too stupid? |
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| 12:33.47 | doudou | do you think clever to try to use emacs before understanding ls?? |
| 12:34.30 | maligor | why would you need ls when you have emacs? |
| 12:35.27 | doudou | the problem whith using tools that you have no idea of what they do is : you can hurt people |
| 12:35.34 | simonrvn | doudou: that's not stupid, that's wise. |
| 12:35.58 | simonrvn | so why are you using emacs? BABY STEPS |
| 12:36.21 | nsadmin | why is there that sequence? also, why concern yourself with a feature built into >>GNU<< ls whose only function is to support emacs? and finally, I just found the answer in the info node "(coreutils.info.gz)What information is listed" in about 30 seconds |
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| 12:36.34 | dutchfish | !tell brutus about debianlove |
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| 12:37.36 | brutus | dutchfish, I've have a look, thanks :) |
| 12:37.44 | dutchfish | brutus, yw |
| 12:37.55 | nsadmin | doudou: maybe. but you can't hurt people who either (1) already understand the tools or (2) read the docs on the tool before invoking the tool |
| 12:38.26 | doudou | problem is man ls, info coreutils ls, not dired itself, problem is all remains a mess, should take so time to store information |
| 12:38.45 | simonrvn | ENOPARSE |
| 12:39.12 | nsadmin | (2) has been advised over and over again too, so to anyone who gets on usenet news, irc or anything similar |
| 12:40.16 | nsadmin | doudou: it's very simple... people who can potentially be hurt will reduce their risk by learning to read |
| 12:40.28 | doudou | nsadmin, ok tell me where is writen the meaning of each colon in the ls -l command, seems you suppose that many ppl master that |
| 12:40.45 | nsadmin | doudou: I already did that |
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| 12:40.50 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 12:40.59 | Ace2016 | is it possible to expand a raid1 partition in linux? |
| 12:41.15 | doudou | nsadmin, no people use the tools you let them to play with, it is part of your responsability not to gibve them dangerous tools |
| 12:41.18 | Ace2016 | the raid 1 parition is encrypted, will it cause a problem? |
| 12:41.56 | nsadmin | we seem to be arguing |
| 12:42.23 | doudou | you did not, you gave info coreutils ls, i read all no clear answer, lot of doc about options nothing about answers |
| 12:42.56 | nsadmin | no, I gave: (coreutils.info.gz)What information is listed |
| 12:43.17 | simonrvn | you didn't take the time to think about the info presented. |
| 12:43.42 | nsadmin | I don't think he realizes he can scroll down |
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| 12:44.02 | simonrvn | probably not |
| 12:44.50 | nsadmin | doudou: so, you can look at that node... you can also relax... why exactly are you trying to make this adversarial? |
| 12:45.03 | nsadmin | why are you trying to fight? I don't wanna. |
| 12:45.36 | nsadmin | within that however, you mention "my responsibility" |
| 12:46.16 | doudou | i read man ls, i came here, i typed info coreutils ls, found doc read it, sorry but something so simple as explaining what is writen on the screen after "ls -l" is not written |
| 12:46.25 | simonrvn | doudou: so then i suppose you'd control everything people do, by extension. |
| 12:46.58 | nsadmin | without going into the multiparagraph response I would have for defining my responsibility, I would suggest you think about who's responsible for what... I'lll just summarize by saying I don't have any defined responsibility without a defined income stream |
| 12:47.44 | nsadmin | doudou: are you relaxed and non-adversarial yet? |
| 12:47.51 | doudou | simonrvn, that the contrary, i will preserve people freedom of understanding tools and doing what they want with, you are going in the other path : asking what people want to do and propose them to realize it |
| 12:48.51 | nsadmin | doudou: with the freedom of understanding tools comes the responsibility of coming to understand them |
| 12:49.54 | nsadmin | btw, and out of interested curiousity, how do you propose to preserve this freedom>? |
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| 12:50.32 | simonrvn | doudou: straw dog. i quote you: "...it is part of your responsability not to gibve them dangerous tools" . trying to turn it around me is like a racist calling someone else a racist because they're calling the racist a racist. |
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| 12:50.57 | simonrvn | and with that. *plonk* |
| 12:51.44 | simonrvn | ignorance doesn't breed freedom, it breeds hate and slavery. |
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| 12:52.34 | dondelelcaro | doudou: it is, in the what information is listed section. see info coreutils ls what information is listedD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D; |
| 12:52.41 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's exciting. |
| 12:53.08 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro: already referred him to that node |
| 12:53.42 | enouf | dutchfish: so do i get this correct? that only occurs if reserved root sectors (default 5%) is turned off? |
| 12:53.42 | simonrvn | woops, i hate that [D[D[D[D[D stuff |
| 12:53.56 | dutchfish | enouf, bingo |
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| 12:55.00 | enouf | dutchfish: yeah, i can see that .. since not many have chosen to turn that off completely ...so a much smaller pool of users |
| 12:55.14 | dutchfish | enouf, sure, but still |
| 12:56.02 | doudou | simonrvn, i suppose that there is not statement with the world racist in it that can be valuable, racist word have too much power nowadays |
| 12:56.10 | dutchfish | enouf, can you hint me where i can get an overview of aplied debian patches to a given lenny's kernel |
| 12:56.41 | nsadmin | doudou: the racist thing was just an analogy\ |
| 12:56.52 | dutchfish | enouf, is there a place in PTS? |
| 12:57.23 | nsadmin | doudou: btw, have you found out how to scroll down in info? |
| 12:57.57 | enouf | dutchfish: start here http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 12:58.59 | dutchfish | enouf, yes. i know that by heart, i found at least something: http://lintian.debian.org/full/dirson@debian.org.html |
| 12:59.11 | beardy | wtf was that? |
| 12:59.37 | dutchfish | enouf, and: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=dirson%40debian.org |
| 12:59.54 | nsadmin | THAT was an email address posted to an irc channel (twice) |
| 12:59.58 | doudou | dondelelcaro, you mean ".. In addition to the name ... number of hard link ..." that is exact it is written |
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| 13:00.34 | nsadmin | doudou: yes. that is the second column. |
| 13:00.35 | dutchfish | ouch,didnt realize that |
| 13:00.39 | FILLVAIO2 | is possible to downgrade [libc6] without any consequences? |
| 13:01.18 | nsadmin | FILLVAIO2: version of debian and version of libc6 are pretty intertwined |
| 13:01.26 | doudou | nsadmin, yes luckily someone show me to scroll into info a long time ago. Anyway i maintain that it is difficult and no as clear as needed |
| 13:02.10 | dondelelcaro | doudou: what abou tit is difficult? |
| 13:02.28 | d-b | !downgrade |
| 13:02.28 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 13:02.32 | doudou | Anyway you know that a human can recall only a limited number of words compared to the number of words he can reconize. I think that the doc is a mess for humans, for emacs i dont know but for humlans yes |
| 13:02.37 | nsadmin | doudou: didn't say this would be easy... reading technical documentation is a skill which is only improved by practice |
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| 13:03.15 | nsadmin | doudou: and yet some humans do manage it |
| 13:03.21 | doudou | dondelelcaro, because it is surprising that what is displayed in coloms is discribed by a sentence |
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| 13:03.55 | FILLVAIO2 | <nsadmin> i can't recompile apache2 from source, i have error: Build-dependencies for apach2 could not be satisfied |
| 13:04.01 | nsadmin | doudou: so, what is it you're still not understanding about the second column? |
| 13:04.19 | nsadmin | FILLVAIO2: just install it from the package, why not? |
| 13:04.40 | doudou | dondelelcaro, because it is surprising that what is obviously important information : what is diosplayed on your screen is related to a sentence lost in a lot of other sentences |
| 13:05.06 | dondelelcaro | doudou: it's directly under the explanation of the -l option |
| 13:05.11 | doudou | seems that second colom means number of hard links |
| 13:05.21 | nsadmin | doudou: are you referring to your own understanding or understanding by the masses whose freedom you want to preserve? |
| 13:05.39 | FILLVAIO2 | <nsadmin> i have problem with suexec, which can be compiled with special options |
| 13:05.45 | nsadmin | doudou: yes. so, do you understand what that means? |
| 13:06.36 | simonrvn | wouldn't it be easier to move your web site to /var/www ? |
| 13:07.04 | doudou | nsadmin, i understand that i should search because i have now a keyword and a concept: hard links, but to often i must search a keyword that i cant imagine |
| 13:07.43 | dondelelcaro | in general, if you don't know what hard links are, you don't care about that column |
| 13:07.44 | FILLVAIO2 | <simonrvn> many sites and many inner links have been done |
| 13:08.26 | dondelelcaro | FILLVAIO2: so compile suexec with the options you need, or use apache2-suexec-custom or similar |
| 13:08.37 | dondelelcaro | FILLVAIO2: use dpkg-divert to divert suexec appropriately |
| 13:08.48 | nsadmin | FILLVAIO2 you can try the move... those links should not reach out of the dir they're in, rather they should be relative to that dir |
| 13:08.50 | doudou | you should try to convice yourself that there is work to do with doc, work to store it in a better way |
| 13:08.57 | nsadmin | any which are not will not work |
| 13:08.57 | simonrvn | i told him about suexec-custom yesterday... |
| 13:09.14 | neoice | what login manager would you recommend for use with non-GNOME/KDE systems?> |
| 13:09.25 | dondelelcaro | neoice: I use xdm, but it doesn't really matter. |
| 13:09.29 | simonrvn | none, or xdm |
| 13:09.54 | dondelelcaro | doudou: if we understand the documentation, we can't easily see the problems in it. patches are accepted. |
| 13:10.34 | dondelelcaro | doudou: expecting others to adapt documentation to make it easier for you to understand is a non starter |
| 13:10.38 | nsadmin | doudou: and if patches are accepted, you have a way to preserve freedom |
| 13:11.04 | doudou | dondelelcaro, in a computer point of view it is okay information is here, in a human point of view there are so many way to get lost, to feel that you wont be able to find doc, that even with it under your nose you cant see it, only because we are humans |
| 13:11.22 | FILLVAIO2 | <dondelelcaro> i can't, becouse i have installed incorrect libc6 version may be |
| 13:11.33 | d-b | doudou: .... google |
| 13:12.27 | doudou | dondelelcaro, i expect you to adapt documentation using with principle that is made for humans, so must take into account human features, most one is a man can reconize 10 times as may words he can remmember |
| 13:12.37 | dondelelcaro | FILLVAIO2: so fix it. |
| 13:12.53 | nsadmin | doudou: if you want to actually succeed, less arguing about what someone did wrong, more acknowledging what they did right, and more making specific requests how it can be improved |
| 13:13.16 | dondelelcaro | doudou: uh... I'm a human, and I understand it. If I didn't, I would ask questions, understand it, and file patches to improve it so that I could have understood it the first time. |
| 13:13.29 | dondelelcaro | well, at least, the last time I checked I was human |
| 13:13.36 | d-b | doudou: what is the problem you have ? |
| 13:13.42 | nsadmin | doudou: what earth species invented computers? |
| 13:14.03 | dutchfish | enouf, stupid me, i can get that too from: /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.26/debian/series/[number][-extra] |
| 13:14.27 | FILLVAIO2 | <dondelelcaro> for this i as you guys, how to downgrade libc6 without consequences ? |
| 13:14.55 | dutchfish | enouf, easy to script off |
| 13:14.57 | doudou | someone understood that man is not enought and started info, it is not enought |
| 13:15.03 | dutchfish | enouf, thx anyway |
| 13:15.05 | enouf | dutchfish: huh? from which pkg makes that dir /kernel-patches/ ? i was going to say try http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/?rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 13:15.28 | doudou | disconnected from server |
| 13:15.32 | enouf | is enough for anyone :-P |
| 13:15.37 | dondelelcaro | FILLVAIO2: depends on what you've done. apt-cache policy; will show what has happened. |
| 13:15.50 | nsadmin | enouf is enouf? |
| 13:16.06 | enouf | yep, just ask my gal :-p |
| 13:16.53 | dutchfish | enouf, linux-patch-debian-2.6.26 |
| 13:17.07 | nsadmin | doudou: "someone", so a human |
| 13:17.51 | enouf | dutchfish: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/patches/debian/?rev=0&sc=0 ? |
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| 13:18.11 | dutchfish | enouf, cool, thank you Sir |
| 13:18.12 | enouf | dutchfish: and it's parent dir |
| 13:18.20 | FILLVAIO2 | <dondelelcaro> policy say me that must be some dangerous :) what to do? to be or not to be? |
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| 13:19.08 | dutchfish | mumles again: The world will prolly not be destroyed by evil, but by man's stupidity |
| 13:19.49 | nsadmin | doudou: the bottom line is: it takes work. you're either willing to do that work to supplement your own information in such a way that you are able to independently understand your own thoughts, or you're not |
| 13:19.55 | dondelelcaro | FILLVAIO2: you'll have to go through and see all of what has been done, and then consider if you can dowgrade. If you can't, upgrade to testing or whatever. |
| 13:21.26 | nsadmin | if you say "it's too hard", that's one way among many you're using to try to place responsibility for doing so on anyone but yourself |
| 13:21.36 | TwistOfFate | any here used apt-cron? |
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| 13:21.58 | TwistOfFate | how do you install the packages apt-cron gets if you're running it download only mode? |
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| 13:22.33 | nsadmin | TwistOfFate: that's not in man apt-cron? |
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| 13:23.05 | nsadmin | if not, I'd have no idea other than to look at the package more closely |
| 13:23.52 | Eulex | TwistOfFate, it puts them in the apt package cache |
| 13:24.27 | TwistOfFate | Eulex, so how do you install those packages then? |
| 13:24.40 | Eulex | you tell apt to install them |
| 13:24.57 | Eulex | and it will go 'hey, it's in the cache, I don't need to download them' |
| 13:25.01 | nsadmin | how do you find the names of what it downloaded? |
| 13:25.09 | TwistOfFate | yeah nsadmin, that was my next question |
| 13:25.14 | TwistOfFate | apart from the email it sends me. |
| 13:25.24 | nsadmin | oh, it sends you an email? |
| 13:25.32 | nsadmin | well thereyougo then |
| 13:25.40 | Eulex | if you told it to download updates, just do a normal upgrade or dist-upgrade |
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| 13:25.58 | TwistOfFate | well |
| 13:26.04 | TwistOfFate | i'm making it using a different sources.list |
| 13:26.10 | TwistOfFate | that just does the security updates. |
| 13:26.15 | Eulex | why? |
| 13:26.19 | TwistOfFate | so when i do an apt-get upgrade...it doesn't recognise there's anything to upgrade. |
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| 13:26.54 | TwistOfFate | the system is stable as is, and i've only been authorised to update it for security updates. |
| 13:27.12 | nsadmin | so then you must establish the same sources.list then apt-get install them or apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:27.20 | Eulex | why don't you always have security.debian.org in sources.list? |
| 13:28.01 | TwistOfFate | well i don't see why not Eulex...that should work. |
| 13:28.33 | nsadmin | Eulex: what he's saying is he has been denied permission to upgrade any non-security package, so he wants only those |
| 13:28.40 | Eulex | right |
| 13:28.54 | Eulex | that's exactly how debian stable works |
| 13:29.14 | nsadmin | that puts the ball in his court |
| 13:29.20 | abrotman | not *exactly* .. the point releases can fix RC bugs |
| 13:29.59 | nsadmin | abrotman: would the apache2 thing be considered rc? |
| 13:30.15 | TwistOfFate | thanks guys. i'll continue playing with apt-cron |
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| 13:30.52 | abrotman | depends .. but each point release has release notes that say what the new packages fix |
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| 13:32.03 | TwistOfFate | i can point anyone to the apt-cron tutorial i used if there's any interest. |
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| 13:34.48 | nsadmin | abrotman: there was a report earlier that said that apache2 installs a non-working config file set (easily fixed, but apparantly never works out of the box due to a missing file referred to by an include directive) |
| 13:35.27 | abrotman | hadn't seen that, nor experienced |
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| 13:35.38 | nsadmin | are you running etch? |
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| 13:36.14 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:36.28 | nsadmin | is the etch box running apache2? |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:37.28 | nsadmin | ok, if that's working perhaps that's due to you seeing and fixing the problem immediately? |
| 13:37.48 | nsadmin | the fix is: touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 13:38.06 | nsadmin | alternatively remove the include directive from apache2.conf |
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| 13:39.02 | TwistOfFate | this apache2 problem isn't fixed even in r5? |
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| 13:39.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: that's very very old |
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| 13:40.00 | nsadmin | the guy today said he first dpkg --purge apache2 then apt-get install apache2 and found the same problem |
| 13:40.44 | nsadmin | an email he found that had the abovementioned workarounds was from may of 2007 |
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| 13:40.52 | nsadmin | or march? |
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| 13:42.09 | nsadmin | abrotman: yes. very old. so that's why I'm wondering whether such a problem would/should be fixed in a point release |
| 13:42.29 | abrotman | no idea |
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| 13:54.18 | nsadmin | abrotman: hmm. it was fixed already, that guy must have had an old package cache |
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| 13:54.43 | abrotman | nsadmin: ah ok .. maybe that's why i couldn't recall seeing it lately :) |
| 13:55.30 | nsadmin | I actually installed the thing, the only thing I had to do was set the port |
| 13:55.48 | pipcookie | Stupid question (but I HAVE to ask)... is there any way to change inode size without disturbing an installed fs' contents? |
| 13:55.57 | abrotman | no |
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| 13:56.06 | abrotman | tune2fs would say it if there were |
| 13:56.09 | GeoMus | I couldn't save iptables rules IO have this issue : Saving firewall rules to /etc/sysconfig/iptables: [FAILED] ?? |
| 13:56.29 | abrotman | GeoMus: using which version of linux ? |
| 13:56.35 | pipcookie | The Windows ext2 IFS driver won't accept an inode size of 256 bytes; it *requires* 128 bytes. |
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| 13:57.04 | nsadmin | pipcookie: maybe it's old |
| 13:57.28 | abrotman | !ext2ifs |
| 13:57.29 | dpkg | well, ext2ifs is a Windows NT driver for reading/writing ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 13:57.30 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 13:58.11 | pipcookie | http://www.fs-driver.org/ That one. |
| 13:58.55 | pipcookie | The one THAT one links to doesn't support XP. |
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| 14:00.10 | pipcookie | Hrm... that page is a bit confusing; first it says it doesn't, then it says it does. In any event, Vista isn't even *mentioned*. |
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| 14:04.19 | dutchfish | !ntfs3g |
| 14:04.19 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 14:06.08 | pipcookie | What's with the query about ntfs-3g? |
| 14:06.40 | dutchfish | just wanted you to know there are althernatives |
| 14:07.14 | abrotman | dutchfish: he's trying to access ext2/3 from Win32 .. not ntfs from linux |
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| 14:07.29 | dutchfish | abrotman, ah, i misread that |
| 14:07.54 | pipcookie | I know I'm tired, but I didn't think I'd missed the boat by THAT much! |
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| 14:11.09 | jelly-home | pipcookie: fs-driver.org doesn't support writing to ext3 |
| 14:12.16 | pipcookie | I only care about reading. I had tried to mount the ext3 from Windows as readonly. This is to protect the person I'm setting this computer up for from the "uh oh" syndrome. |
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| 14:12.35 | jelly-home | pipcookie: all right then |
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| 14:13.11 | Scurz | hey |
| 14:13.15 | pipcookie | Frankly, I trust $Windows_stuff about as far as I can throw my car (and I'm *not* very physically strong...) |
| 14:13.23 | abrotman | pipcookie: that other site lists four drivers toward the bottom |
| 14:13.39 | Scurz | how to remove all graphic applications ? (because I'd like to do that on a debian server) |
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| 14:13.43 | pipcookie | Yea, I saw that. After I've gotten some sack time, I gonna try it. |
| 14:14.05 | abrotman | Scurz: remote x11-common perhaps |
| 14:14.08 | pipcookie | Bedtime for this old boy. Nini! |
| 14:14.18 | abrotman | Scurz: just make sure you read what it's going to remove before you agree |
| 14:14.25 | Scurz | abrotman: ok, I try |
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| 14:18.51 | dimsuz | hi! is there an app that would allow me to capture output that goes to soundcard and save it as wav? |
| 14:18.53 | DanDare | Hello. I need to install a package thats avaliable just in sid. What to add to sources.list to get it fetched ? if i just add 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main' should work ? |
| 14:19.32 | asg | DanDare: /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:19.40 | DanDare | ok |
| 14:20.10 | abrotman | DanDare: which package is it ? |
| 14:20.20 | DanDare | zoneminder abrotman |
| 14:20.37 | DanDare | i just can handle to get it working properly from sources unfortunately |
| 14:20.41 | DanDare | *cant |
| 14:21.00 | nsadmin | how do you know that? |
| 14:21.23 | DanDare | i really know that because i spent last night trying it |
| 14:21.25 | nsadmin | but try backports |
| 14:21.46 | DanDare | ok |
| 14:21.53 | nsadmin | so you tried building the package? |
| 14:21.57 | DanDare | yeah |
| 14:22.21 | DanDare | no, sorry |
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| 14:22.28 | DanDare | i tried to install from sources |
| 14:22.39 | DanDare | zoneminder source |
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| 14:24.15 | DanDare | its some weird issue without a clear asnwer: http://www.zoneminder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10994&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
| 14:24.28 | DanDare | ops sorry this is just #debian |
| 14:26.52 | GeoMus | I couldn't save iptables rules IO have this issue : Saving firewall rules to /etc/sysconfig/iptables: [FAILED] ?? |
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| 14:28.38 | adb | GeoMus: no /etc/sysconfig/ on debian as default |
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| 14:28.57 | GeoMus | I have Centos |
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| 14:29.11 | abrotman | GeoMus: then go ask them #centos |
| 14:29.12 | adb | here is #debian |
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| 14:29.45 | GeoMus | ok |
| 14:29.55 | DanDare | this is the first time i got this "E: Dynamic NMap ran out of room" error while doing apt update. What this means ? |
| 14:30.03 | enouf | !mmap |
| 14:30.03 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 14:30.19 | DanDare | o.O |
| 14:30.32 | enouf | yes, it's mmap, not nmap :-p |
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| 14:31.01 | DanDare | yeah heh, i mixed things up |
| 14:31.14 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.25 | abrotman | DanDare: what line did you add to your sources.list ? |
| 14:31.42 | adb | from !mmap |
| 14:31.46 | DanDare | deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 14:31.47 | DanDare | deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 14:32.09 | enouf | dutchfish: got a sec for a pm? |
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| 14:33.39 | mac123 | hi i need some help to install flash since this isnt working anymore apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 14:36.54 | abrotman | mac123: isn't working ? |
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| 14:37.00 | mac123 | nope |
| 14:37.02 | adb | mac123: copy libflash* .so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
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| 14:37.21 | abrotman | mac123: you're being vague . why isn't it working? |
| 14:37.23 | lxsameer | hi , can i install a deb file under a special prefix? |
| 14:37.27 | abrotman | no |
| 14:37.38 | abrotman | lxsameer: you can unpack it .. somewhere else |
| 14:37.43 | mac123 | install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' not found |
| 14:37.46 | mac123 | code 404 |
| 14:38.14 | lxsameer | abrotman: is it work without problem? |
| 14:38.22 | abrotman | mac123: /msg dpkg dmm .. get it from them perhaps |
| 14:38.41 | abrotman | lxsameer: i have no idea which package you're talking about, so i can't say |
| 14:39.10 | mac123 | do i just copy the libflash* .? |
| 14:39.47 | ConSi | http://szuflada.brutalni.pl/ || http://szuflada.brutalni.pl/phpsysinfo/ <= my homeserver ;p |
| 14:40.19 | lxsameer | abrotman: for example wine? |
| 14:40.37 | abrotman | lxsameer: i wouldn't make any bets with that .. it's a large package |
| 14:40.49 | abrotman | mac123: yes |
| 14:40.54 | abrotman | mac123: on etch right ? |
| 14:41.00 | mac123 | yes |
| 14:41.01 | mac123 | etch |
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| 14:41.26 | mac123 | is there any need to compile make etc .? |
| 14:41.37 | adb | No |
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| 14:44.53 | mac123 | not working |
| 14:44.57 | adb | mac123: after copy made, restart X, or logout/ login |
| 14:45.06 | mac123 | ok |
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| 14:45.33 | cma_ | hello all |
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| 14:47.26 | bjorkLinux | is lenny newer than etch? |
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| 14:47.42 | abrotman | yes, but not released |
| 14:47.58 | bjorkLinux | so if i want the latest packages, that's what i need to change the lines in sources.list to? |
| 14:48.10 | alnayyir | hey guys, I did an expert install of debian lenny |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | !tell bjorkLinux about etch->lenny |
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| 14:48.31 | alnayyir | is there any particular reason I had to add my atheros wifi card to the interfaces script? :P |
| 14:48.39 | mac123 | still not working |
| 14:48.44 | adb | mac123: >>> ls /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |grep flash <<< does what ? |
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| 14:49.08 | alnayyir | clear |
| 14:49.17 | alnayyir | hmm, kay. |
| 14:49.34 | mac123 | libflashplayer.so |
| 14:49.48 | adb | try reboot |
| 14:49.56 | mac123 | yeah just did |
| 14:50.37 | adb | which site dont "work" ? |
| 14:50.47 | mac123 | speedtest.net |
| 14:50.56 | bjorkLinux | can i use apt-get instead of aptitude? |
| 14:51.03 | bjorkLinux | i think aptitude is rather hideous. |
| 14:51.12 | cahoot | run it from cli |
| 14:51.13 | nsadmin | alnayyir, you would have done that if you were motivated to get your card working? |
| 14:51.51 | alnayyir | nsadmin: well, I did do it. Now I'm onto a new problem. |
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| 14:52.02 | adb | mac123: here work , install iceweasel , |
| 14:52.04 | alnayyir | none of the resolutions were included in the xorg.conf, and I don't remember where they go now nsadmin. |
| 14:52.08 | bjorkLinux | so i ca't just use apt-get ? |
| 14:52.14 | bjorkLinux | *can't. |
| 14:52.21 | nsadmin | alnayyir: did your card end up working as a result? |
| 14:52.38 | cahoot | bjorkLinux: of course you can, but you can also use aptitude in the same way |
| 14:52.39 | alnayyir | of course, I know what I'm doing, I've just been out of the scene for a couple years. I was more amused than anything. |
| 14:52.50 | nsadmin | try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:52.52 | bjorkLinux | i don't like aptitude AT ALL! |
| 14:52.54 | alnayyir | I have however, forgotten where the screen resolutions go in xorg.conf, and no placeholders were incl----thank you. |
| 14:53.07 | bjorkLinux | just think ... there're people in this world you want nothing to do with. in my case it's aptitude. |
| 14:53.10 | cahoot | bjorkLinux: like aptitude update, aptitude search etc |
| 14:53.29 | nsadmin | bjorkLinux: ok |
| 14:53.44 | mac123 | @abd is already insalled |
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| 14:54.02 | nsadmin | bjorkLinux: an aptitude is a people?! |
| 14:54.51 | alnayyir | nsadmin: dpkg-reconfigure isn't adding any, leaving the boilerplate conf file the same as before. |
| 14:55.06 | bjorkLinux | well, you get my drift. n'est ce pas? |
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| 14:56.17 | nsadmin | alnayyir: did you run the full command dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 14:56.33 | alnayyir | 1yes. |
| 14:56.41 | alnayyir | and went through the rudimentary wizard |
| 14:56.44 | nsadmin | did it ask you questions? |
| 14:56.53 | alnayyir | yes, and no resolutions were asked for nor provided. |
| 14:56.54 | nsadmin | ok, so yes |
| 14:57.12 | alnayyir | I tried the auto-config afterwards, that didn't work either. |
| 14:57.31 | alnayyir | the WM I'm using doesn't have human-friendly tools, so no dice there. (LXDE) |
| 14:57.35 | alnayyir | (it's just glorified openbox) |
| 14:58.31 | alnayyir | btw, I was quite impressed with the ram usage *during* update. 7MB on a 2GB machine. |
| 14:58.41 | Verael` | is debian used for desktop systems or is it mainly used for servers? |
| 14:58.51 | alnayyir | er |
| 14:58.55 | alnayyir | more workstations and servers |
| 14:59.00 | alnayyir | or picky people like me. |
| 14:59.05 | alnayyir | it's quite good for desktops though. |
| 14:59.19 | alnayyir | if you don't expect to have your hand held on *every* single detail anyway. |
| 14:59.21 | nsadmin | or folks that don't want to run windows |
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| 14:59.52 | alnayyir | nsadmin: anyway, do you just know the format/subsection that the resolutions go under? |
| 14:59.57 | alnayyir | if so, I can just add them manually, no biggie. |
| 14:59.59 | Verael` | ok. i am currently looking for a distro to start some development (oracle,postgresql,java and python) on linux |
| 15:00.04 | alnayyir | because the monitor/screen subsections are there. |
| 15:00.12 | Python1320 | Verael`, debian? |
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| 15:00.43 | jelly-home | Verael`: if oracle supports it, sure |
| 15:00.51 | nsadmin | Verael` in any dist you can build your own of everything but oracle |
| 15:01.02 | nsadmin | also oracle might require a specific libc |
| 15:01.07 | Verael` | ok. |
| 15:01.38 | nsadmin | and a specific java |
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| 15:02.48 | Verael` | so i guess debian aint a good choice for oracle |
| 15:02.57 | nsadmin | so the question you need to resolve is what libc version oracle requires |
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| 15:03.26 | nsadmin | as far as I know oracle on debian isn't supported but that never stopped me |
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| 15:04.16 | nsadmin | I was running oracle 8i on the debian known for the misterpotatohead character in toy story |
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| 15:05.01 | alnayyir | nsadmin: isn't oracle overkill for most databases anyway? |
| 15:05.22 | Verael` | is the oracle client i am interested in installing in debian not the server |
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| 15:05.44 | nsadmin | oh, then you need the oracle client libs |
| 15:06.00 | nsadmin | you still need to know what libc and java versions the clients use |
| 15:06.19 | Verael` | ok |
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| 15:06.48 | pmasho | anyone know what repos I need to install tomcat6 ? have lenny installed.. |
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| 15:08.53 | nsadmin | alnayyir: especially with postgres catching up |
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| 15:09.33 | alnayyir | nsadmin: it has always seemed like bloated corporate-ware to me. Just my thoughts. |
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| 15:10.25 | nsadmin | some apps need oracle... or at least acid compliance, which postgres provides and mysql does not |
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| 15:13.15 | rgr | alnayyir: Oracle is market leader for a reason. Not all DBs are lists of addresses on a home PC. |
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| 15:13.59 | rgr | One evne has to consider the skillbases out there of companies incorpoating your product. They have Oracle DBAs. |
| 15:14.02 | nsadmin | one reason oracle is market leader is they get their customers to agree not to reveal benchmark data |
| 15:14.08 | rgr | garbage |
| 15:14.28 | nsadmin | no, they do that |
| 15:14.35 | rgr | Oracle is market leader because they provided a good product for years which works for people. |
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| 15:15.16 | rgr | Companies dont just switch because of a few benchmarks. They are looking for stability and long term support. |
| 15:15.46 | nsadmin | if that's the case, why are they so sensitive about the benchmark data? to be blunt, what the hell are they afraid of? |
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| 15:17.13 | rgr | They are not. They want to ensure its a level playing field. Too many fanboy radicals posting lies and garbage on fixed tests. Speed is not everything remember. I have worked with companies who reconsider every now and again and the fact is oracle works for them. |
| 15:17.16 | nsadmin | they're afraid that other dbs will attract their customers. in the case of postgres, it's free, and it provides pretty good performance and very good constraint definition and enforcement |
| 15:17.32 | jelly-home | nsadmin: stupid managers believe benchmarks and pretty graphs |
| 15:17.37 | nsadmin | how can it be level without being informative? :) |
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| 15:18.01 | rgr | nsadmin: fair enough if you believe that. I find fanboy knee jerk reaction to be less of a deterministic as long term stability and support. real companies want the later. |
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| 15:18.16 | rgr | bayway, cya. |
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| 15:18.37 | johndoe | is it possible to burn the debian installation .iso to usb stick and install from it? |
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| 15:19.07 | nsadmin | sees a fanboy's knee jerk wildly as he leaves the channel :P |
| 15:19.24 | cahoot | johndoe: might look at unetbootin |
| 15:19.45 | johndoe | cahoot: thanks, /msg dpkg usb installation did it =) |
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| 15:21.53 | vincenzo | hi! i'd need to load a lkm on startup.. can somebody tell me which file do I need to edit? |
| 15:23.01 | nsadmin | vincenzo: /etc/modules? /etc/modprobe*? |
| 15:23.17 | vincenzo | nsadmin, thank you |
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| 15:23.49 | nsadmin | not definitive, but may be viable directions to follow. ymmv |
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| 15:24.09 | max_____ | hello, I'm running lenny 64bit with a custom kernel 2.6.26.5. the intel p45 bridge has 2 velociraptor 150 gb devices attached, both set in a mdadm-raid1. since today, sda1 is removed from the array (F) - SMART says that sda and sdb contain errors: http://nopaste.com/p/aPq5AbJVr http://nopaste.com/p/aCB0h9LU - however I doubt that two new devices (09/2008) fail so quickly. is it possible that those errors are false positives? |
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| 15:27.04 | adb | max_____: custom kernel are not supported |
| 15:27.18 | adb | kernels* |
| 15:28.01 | jelly-home | adb: what do you mean by "custom kernel are not supported"? |
| 15:28.47 | adb | as custom kernel 2.6.26.5* |
| 15:29.06 | jelly-home | what's not supported about it? |
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| 15:29.40 | adb | it's this a debian kernel ? |
| 15:29.43 | jelly-home | adb: is the output of smartmontools unpredictable? I don't get it. |
| 15:30.34 | adb | i dunno too |
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| 15:30.38 | nayte | hi |
| 15:30.42 | nsadmin | plus the guy's being cooperative and friendly... I don't really see applying that unless he wasn't and/or the channel is too busy, neither of which is true |
| 15:30.52 | jelly-home | adb: why did you mention that then? |
| 15:31.07 | max_____ | adb: not supported by you, by debian or the channel? |
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| 15:31.51 | adb | max_____: than let's see that |
| 15:32.05 | jelly-home | max_____: They might be "true" errors but not really imporant. I'd ask the libata people |
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| 15:32.17 | nsadmin | max_____: you could try avoiding that issue by trying a debian kernel of the same or nearly same version |
| 15:32.23 | codingrobot | max_____: the overall status looks ok |
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| 15:33.19 | jelly-home | has been running a custom kernel since woody |
| 15:33.38 | johndoe | where can i find hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 15:33.54 | nsadmin | max_____: perhaps they're afraid that if you have a custom kernel they might have to actually look it over in order to determine something; they show unwillingness to do that |
| 15:34.53 | nsadmin | or they're afraid that some action produces a result that might be different if a custom kernel is used |
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| 15:35.04 | nsadmin | that fear may be more to the point |
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| 15:35.37 | Dave2 | .win 686 |
| 15:36.20 | nsadmin | in cases where the kernel does not affect a result, perhaps the fear is misplaced :P |
| 15:37.18 | max_____ | i'll have a check with a different kernel - the machine is remote, so it's a bit hard with experimenting :) |
| 15:37.53 | nsadmin | hmm,,, remote? maybe not worth it to try different than what you have |
| 15:38.17 | nsadmin | instead, I'll ask why you went with a custom kernel |
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| 15:39.12 | GhostlyDeath | I have a shell script that executes in a cron job but it always stops executing |
| 15:39.43 | GhostlyDeath | It works when i execute it normally from the command line but when cron does it, it just stops in the middle of the script |
| 15:39.45 | GhostlyDeath | any suggestions? |
| 15:39.47 | nsadmin | is that a problem? |
| 15:39.59 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 15:40.08 | nsadmin | are you testing the exit status of each command? |
| 15:40.26 | GhostlyDeath | I used "if" in one place |
| 15:40.33 | GhostlyDeath | It works outside of cron |
| 15:40.47 | nsadmin | so it sometimes works |
| 15:41.00 | GhostlyDeath | Only when the script isn't executed as a cron job |
| 15:41.01 | max_____ | nsadmin: I like them more :D |
| 15:41.04 | max_____ | can't explain it tbh |
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| 15:41.17 | GhostlyDeath | I could execute the script right now and it will work |
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| 15:41.29 | nsadmin | max_____: so there's not a specific reason other than that? |
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| 15:41.47 | nayte | hi all |
| 15:41.57 | nsadmin | GhostlyDeath: do you know exactly where the script stops? do you know why it stops? |
| 15:42.07 | GhostlyDeath | nsadmin: Yes I know exactly where it stops |
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| 15:42.31 | nsadmin | ok, and why? |
| 15:42.31 | GhostlyDeath | but I don't know why |
| 15:42.53 | nsadmin | ok, what is the last line that runs successfully? |
| 15:43.02 | nsadmin | it stops in the same place every time? |
| 15:43.09 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 15:43.19 | nayte | when I try to install nvidia's drivers, iget an error : unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. I'm on a just formated debian, how can I find this "kernel source tree" ? |
| 15:43.23 | GhostlyDeath | It works on my other computer as a cron job also |
| 15:43.25 | djcip | if i'm connected wirelessly to a network - will ettercap beable to successfully arp poison all machines using that wireless network? |
| 15:43.39 | aadil | nsadmin, what script? |
| 15:44.29 | nsadmin | aadil: GhostlyDeath's cron job, which is a script he wrote |
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| 15:44.30 | aadil | ah oki |
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| 15:44.30 | aadil | is it online? |
| 15:44.33 | GhostlyDeath | No |
| 15:44.39 | aadil | oki |
| 15:44.43 | GhostlyDeath | But it depends on something that is online |
| 15:44.49 | nsadmin | care to put it up? |
| 15:45.06 | aadil | put it online, am kinda bored so any entertainement is welcomed |
| 15:45.07 | aadil | :3 |
| 15:45.22 | GhostlyDeath | give me a second |
| 15:45.46 | nayte | can someone help me please ? I beg it's a simple question, i'm just poor on linux ^^ |
| 15:46.12 | muddd | uh huh |
| 15:46.14 | nsadmin | aadil: want to be entertained? go to the nearest mall, find the cutest girl and say to her, "I was just walking by and I wanted to say hi. my name is insert name here" |
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| 15:46.34 | muddd | thats entertaining |
| 15:46.38 | aadil | nsadmin, been there, done it |
| 15:46.41 | aadil | cost me 50 euros |
| 15:46.42 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 15:46.43 | aadil | :3 |
| 15:46.45 | muddd | ha |
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| 15:46.57 | nsadmin | how did it cost you anything? |
| 15:47.11 | Ace2016 | i have an encrypted partition and i cannot access it, i get password errors, if the partition has been damaged or destroyed by the windows installer how do i know? |
| 15:47.14 | cahoot | she was a cop |
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| 15:47.29 | aadil | nsadmin, i used to exact same lines but the place might have something to do with it |
| 15:47.30 | aadil | :) |
| 15:47.44 | aadil | it was in amsterdam, and i wanted to see the sights in the red light district |
| 15:48.05 | nsadmin | oh I see... so the word "date" takes new meaning there :P |
| 15:48.18 | aadil | :D |
| 15:48.19 | nayte | when I try to install nvidia's drivers, iget an error : unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. I'm on a just formated debian, how can I find this "kernel source tree" ? nobody has the answer ? :s |
| 15:48.32 | aadil | nsadmin, she was a doll |
| 15:48.33 | aadil | :) |
| 15:48.50 | nsadmin | I would have hoped for a human... |
| 15:48.54 | aadil | nayte, did u compile your kernel or just installed it via apt-get? |
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| 15:49.08 | aadil | nsadmin, i meant she was a babe |
| 15:49.15 | aadil | and looked a lot like a doll to me |
| 15:49.20 | aadil | probably was the makeup |
| 15:50.08 | nsadmin | at least that would be entertaining... |
| 15:50.09 | nayte | aadil, I just installed my debian from a CD, dling drivers, I didn't install any other package, may I ? |
| 15:50.19 | GhostlyDeath | http://kaptinkurk.googlepages.com/automakescript.sh and it depends on http://remood.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/remood/trunk/makefile |
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| 15:50.23 | nsadmin | sure |
| 15:50.56 | nsadmin | nayte: it boots into the new debian and you can log in? |
| 15:51.37 | nayte | yes without difficulty, normally he launchs gnome, i just cut it with rcconf, so I boot in console, log in, su... |
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| 15:52.29 | GhostlyDeath | nsadmin, aadil: those my scripts |
| 15:53.06 | GhostlyDeath | In the makefile, it stops at "wad" |
| 15:53.12 | aadil | hmm |
| 15:53.12 | aadil | ok |
| 15:53.12 | GhostlyDeath | under the cron job |
| 15:53.26 | GhostlyDeath | But not when I execute it myself |
| 15:54.28 | nayte | no idea ? :/ |
| 15:54.42 | adb | !tell nayte about nvidia |
| 15:55.12 | olri | hi guys, whats the pastebin of this channel ? |
| 15:55.17 | nayte | thx ;) |
| 15:55.33 | adb | and /or install linux-headers-`uname-r` |
| 15:55.43 | GhostlyDeath | nsadmin, aadil: Could it be something related to #!/bin/sh -e maybe? |
| 15:56.00 | GhostlyDeath | in whatever cron does |
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| 15:56.28 | aadil | i take it u have tried running the script with the debug option |
| 15:56.30 | aadil | i.e -x |
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| 15:56.42 | GhostlyDeath | no I havn't |
| 15:56.46 | nsadmin | maybe the env vars (possibly including the path or cwd) are not set properly |
| 15:56.50 | aadil | well, try doing so |
| 15:57.35 | adb | !tell nayte about m-a |
| 15:58.00 | GhostlyDeath | aadil: It will execute in one minute |
| 15:58.08 | aadil | heh |
| 15:58.10 | aadil | ok |
| 15:58.29 | GhostlyDeath | 30 seconds |
| 15:58.36 | aadil | in 1 minute i can take a leak or trim the few rebel hairs pointing out of my nose |
| 15:58.38 | aadil | damn |
| 15:58.40 | aadil | :) |
| 15:58.45 | GhostlyDeath | 10 seconds |
| 15:58.53 | aadil | 2 hairs out |
| 15:58.55 | GhostlyDeath | ok, it's starting |
| 15:58.55 | aadil | ;) |
| 15:58.59 | nsadmin | I would check the exit status of every invocation of make |
| 15:59.48 | nsadmin | I would also check to see if you're cd-ed to the right place and the stuff you need is in your $PATH |
| 15:59.55 | GhostlyDeath | It is |
| 16:00.17 | GhostlyDeath | Once this is executed, how will I know what happened? |
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| 16:01.21 | GhostlyDeath | aadil: Something in /var/log by any chance? |
| 16:01.31 | nsadmin | you can do things like if make ... >> logfile; then ... ; fi |
| 16:02.03 | aadil | the log file should be in the same directory as the script imho |
| 16:02.55 | aadil | remood_something-debian+etch_i386.log |
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| 16:03.16 | GhostlyDeath | Doesn't say anything useful |
| 16:03.19 | aadil | hmm |
| 16:03.25 | Linus` | Hello, i've (well, my gf have..) accidentaly typed rm -rf / from a user account, i lost a lot of data on a raid ntfs disk mounted on /storage, and perhaps some other system data for the system disk. 1) how do i know if i lost anything else? considering that the command was stopped after a while (I THINK, hope she killed the process and not just stopped it) 2. How do i recover files? :< i'm trying ntfs undelete but i don't think i have |
| 16:04.14 | aadil | heh |
| 16:04.19 | twobitsprite | Linus`: oops |
| 16:04.52 | aadil | Linus`, what kind of raid? |
| 16:04.55 | jelly-home | Linus`: a data recovery service |
| 16:05.07 | Linus` | aadil: mirror |
| 16:05.12 | Linus` | that was data partition |
| 16:05.30 | twobitsprite | Linus`: you're not sure if it's killed or just stopped, do a "ps ax | grep rm" |
| 16:05.45 | Linus` | i already shut down the system when i realized the command was issued |
| 16:05.49 | twobitsprite | or a "jobs" from the same shell as it was run from |
| 16:05.53 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 16:06.09 | Linus` | in order to avoid some process to use the new marked-free space |
| 16:06.17 | twobitsprite | good call |
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| 16:06.32 | Linus` | jelly: such as? i've seen ntfs undelete but that needs another hd to write files to |
| 16:06.48 | jelly-home | Linus`: I mean, a company |
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| 16:07.23 | jelly-home | Linus`: is your data worth less than a price of a new hd? |
| 16:07.31 | twobitsprite | Linus`: something like this http://www.drivesavers.com/ |
| 16:07.33 | Linus` | kind of |
| 16:07.42 | Linus` | fortunately it was just music, divx and isos |
| 16:07.49 | rvalles | you need a new hd anyways |
| 16:07.50 | aadil | Linus`, i think u should recover the whole data on /storage |
| 16:07.54 | rvalles | since the old one failed, didn't it' |
| 16:08.03 | Linus` | rvalles: no it didn't |
| 16:08.08 | rvalles | oh, ok |
| 16:08.10 | Linus` | i issued rm -rf /.. |
| 16:08.12 | rvalles | I read the log now |
| 16:08.25 | Linus` | aadil: yeah. but how? |
| 16:08.38 | GhostlyDeath | nsadmin, aadil: Would If I were to just do a bare make then check if the file was created? |
| 16:08.40 | rvalles | how does anybody type rm -rf / accidentaly in this day and age is beyond me, tho |
| 16:08.42 | aadil | Linus`, http://www.howtoforge.com/recover_data_from_raid_lvm_partitions |
| 16:08.58 | twobitsprite | rvalles: running around as root, probably |
| 16:09.04 | Linus` | rvalles: my gf tought that because she wasn't root she could issue that command and nothing would have happened |
| 16:09.07 | aadil | GhostlyDeath, u can do that |
| 16:09.34 | twobitsprite | Linus`: ohh....... |
| 16:09.44 | Linus` | aadil: err,my problem is that both of the raid disks were written |
| 16:09.51 | aadil | heh |
| 16:09.56 | Linus` | i didn't write on just *one* of those disk, i wrote on the array. |
| 16:09.58 | rvalles | Linus`: ex-gf, I hope |
| 16:09.59 | jelly-home | Linus`: your problem is you don't have backups |
| 16:10.05 | rvalles | 'd leave her over that. |
| 16:10.07 | aadil | i am so sorry for your loss |
| 16:10.08 | aadil | :) |
| 16:10.21 | rvalles | my data > girls |
| 16:10.24 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 16:10.28 | aadil | my pr0n > girls |
| 16:10.30 | aadil | :d |
| 16:10.36 | jelly-home | my grills > data |
| 16:10.40 | rvalles | aadil: lol, that's too specific :P |
| 16:10.52 | hoxu | !linus' advice on backups |
| 16:10.53 | dpkg | "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds, 1996-07-20 |
| 16:10.53 | rvalles | left it as just data for a reason. |
| 16:10.57 | Linus` | rvalles: oh well that wasn't important data, it was just half a terabyte of mp3s, divxs and games/oses |
| 16:11.12 | rvalles | Linus`: still a pain. |
| 16:11.15 | Eulex | Linus`, undeleting on ext3 is hard |
| 16:11.20 | Linus` | but still id' like to recover it without having to buy another disk |
| 16:11.22 | Linus` | Eulex: ntfs |
| 16:11.25 | jelly-home | Linus`: they're mirrored all over the world in .torrent format, aren't they? <g> |
| 16:11.35 | Linus` | not every file :( |
| 16:11.38 | rvalles | jelly-home: it's still inconvenient to put the data in one place again. |
| 16:11.56 | Eulex | Linus`, oh. well, don't really expect a linux utility to be able to do that then... |
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| 16:12.09 | jelly-home | rvalles: hence my asking whether the data is worth less than the price of one empty hdd, needed to try "ntfs undelete" |
| 16:12.11 | aadil | Linus`, u can have fun with one of the many forensics linux live cds |
| 16:12.20 | aadil | trying to see if u can recover something |
| 16:12.22 | Moofius | how to kill a process that wont be killed by "kill 4211"? |
| 16:12.24 | aadil | which i think you wil |
| 16:12.27 | aadil | will* |
| 16:12.41 | twobitsprite | Moofius: kill -9 |
| 16:12.43 | aadil | Moofius, what is the state of the process? |
| 16:12.50 | jelly-home | Moofius: use the correct pid! |
| 16:12.55 | Linus` | the problem is that noone of these software actually writes into the same partition, they just write to another hd, which i don't have |
| 16:12.56 | aadil | heh |
| 16:12.57 | Linus` | ff. |
| 16:13.01 | Moofius | twobitsprite: that worked, thanks |
| 16:13.14 | twobitsprite | Moofius: man kill |
| 16:13.27 | Linus` | or, well, noone that i know about |
| 16:13.31 | jelly-home | Linus`: so a) buy another disk, or b) break/degrade the mirror and use the other disk for that |
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| 16:13.59 | Linus` | i tought about the second one, but i'm scared to mess up things rebuilding the array after |
| 16:14.17 | jelly-home | then fall back to a) |
| 16:14.22 | Linus` | seems those are the only choices anyway, so i'll guess i'll choose one of those :P |
| 16:14.27 | Linus` | thank you for you time, guys |
| 16:14.38 | jelly-home | cheers. best of luck |
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| 16:15.27 | faithfulgeek | hey all, I'm running the lenny installer trying to install debian on my dell mini from a usb key |
| 16:15.51 | faithfulgeek | I have the netinst iso in the root of the key and I'm trying to mount it |
| 16:16.05 | faithfulgeek | and getting "cannot setup loop device" |
| 16:17.09 | Linus` | thinks about implementing the recycle bin on linux |
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| 16:17.40 | twobitsprite | Linus`: just edit your gf's .bashrc and alias rm to mv |
| 16:17.50 | aadil | or chroot her |
| 16:17.52 | aadil | :3 |
| 16:17.54 | twobitsprite | that too |
| 16:18.07 | twobitsprite | mkdir /kitchen |
| 16:18.10 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 16:18.18 | Linus` | don't think she'll have an account anymore on my server |
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| 16:19.39 | twobitsprite | faithfulgeek: is that the only error you get? nothing before that? |
| 16:19.55 | aadil | thinks for a second about his > 1500 servers with how many has shells |
| 16:19.56 | aadil | :S |
| 16:19.59 | aadil | ;) |
| 16:20.23 | Linus` | 1500 servers? :O |
| 16:20.23 | aadil | bah, i better not else i'll not sleep |
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| 16:20.29 | GhostlyDeath | nsadmin, aadil: make: *** [wad] Error 127 |
| 16:20.31 | Linus` | oh my |
| 16:20.36 | faithfulgeek | twobitsprite: no, it says "no such file or directory before that" - I'm doing this because the installer refuses to find a cd drive, probably because the computer doesn't have one |
| 16:20.36 | aadil | Linus`, i think it's around 1800 |
| 16:20.37 | ruadh | Hi all |
| 16:20.39 | Linus` | how can you have a live with those much servers? |
| 16:20.42 | Linus` | life* |
| 16:21.06 | aadil | easy |
| 16:21.12 | aadil | am a lazy sysadmin |
| 16:21.17 | twobitsprite | faithfulgeek: will the system PXE boot, and do you have another system you can use to serve tftp/dhcp? |
| 16:21.21 | aadil | lazy = automate as much as possible |
| 16:21.31 | twobitsprite | aadil: that's not lazy, its just smart |
| 16:21.40 | aadil | and besides we're like 20 sysadmins to maintain those servers |
| 16:21.43 | Linus` | guessed that, but still 1800 servers are a lot |
| 16:21.46 | Linus` | ooh. |
| 16:21.49 | aadil | yes |
| 16:21.50 | Linus` | ok now :D |
| 16:21.53 | aadil | heh |
| 16:21.54 | aadil | :d |
| 16:22.04 | Linus` | you aren't the only one in charge for that, now that makes sense..:P |
| 16:22.21 | aadil | yes, else it will be am impossible tasks |
| 16:22.21 | twobitsprite | aadil: are they all debian? :) |
| 16:22.22 | GhostlyDeath | aadil: I figured it out |
| 16:22.28 | GhostlyDeath | /usr/games was not in PATH |
| 16:22.31 | ruadh | I have downloaded xchat-2.8.0.tar.bz2 and want to install in Debian xfce. What commands should I use? |
| 16:22.37 | lordnazgul | so I am using flexbackup to backup a remote filesystem, using a nonprivileged user. I added find and afio to my sudoers for the user, but it is still getting permission denied on non world readable files. any idea? |
| 16:22.44 | twobitsprite | ruadh: why not aptitude install it? |
| 16:22.50 | aadil | twobitsprite, mostly debian - else there are red hat enterpise, centos, suse, solaris, os400 |
| 16:22.52 | faithfulgeek | twobitsprite: won't the installer connect to an external server? |
| 16:23.01 | ruadh | aptitide? |
| 16:23.05 | Linus` | aadil: what kind of business is that? datacenter? |
| 16:23.09 | twobitsprite | ruadh: or apt-get |
| 16:23.10 | aadil | GhostlyDeath, and what was the issue? |
| 16:23.14 | ruadh | Im new to debioan |
| 16:23.18 | aadil | Linus`, web hosting provider |
| 16:23.20 | aadil | :) |
| 16:23.37 | jelly-home | ruadh: which debian version are you using |
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| 16:23.39 | GhostlyDeath | aadil: it said /bin/sh: deutex: command not found |
| 16:23.46 | aadil | aha |
| 16:23.50 | aadil | which sh |
| 16:23.52 | Linus` | 1800 servers.. for how many accounts/sites? 1.800.000 ? :D |
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| 16:24.06 | Utopic | mierda, le he dado donde no debia |
| 16:24.07 | GhostlyDeath | might work now |
| 16:24.14 | GhostlyDeath | since I added /usr/games to the script |
| 16:24.19 | aadil | Linus`, i dont know - the microsoft admins have the same number of servers |
| 16:24.26 | aadil | countless sites probably |
| 16:24.28 | aadil | some pr0n |
| 16:24.29 | GhostlyDeath | It's compiling now |
| 16:24.30 | aadil | :) |
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| 16:24.33 | twobitsprite | ruadh: ok... in debian we use apt to install packages instead of downloading tarballs and compilinig from source |
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| 16:25.05 | twobitsprite | !tell ruadh -about apt |
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| 16:25.52 | aadil | GhostlyDeath, cool |
| 16:26.07 | aadil | guess it was just make not finding the correct file |
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| 16:26.47 | twobitsprite | aadil: you work at a co-lo facility or something? |
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| 16:27.15 | ruadh | twobitsprite: Where will I find Xchat for Debian? |
| 16:27.19 | aadil | twobitsprite, no - i work at a web hosting company |
| 16:27.21 | DawnLight | hello. what happened to the dniswrapper website - anyone knows? |
| 16:27.30 | aadil | twobitsprite, b2b |
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| 16:28.32 | aadil | i sit all day, drink lots of coffee, watch x-files and dream in binary |
| 16:28.35 | aadil | ;) |
| 16:28.44 | aadil | and wear black, with military boots |
| 16:28.46 | aadil | :d |
| 16:29.33 | cahoot | aadil: weekly column in the Register? |
| 16:30.12 | aadil | cahoot, no but i do have an excuse calendar |
| 16:30.14 | aadil | :) |
| 16:30.34 | aadil | for irate customers |
| 16:30.36 | aadil | ;) |
| 16:30.45 | Moofius | how to pipe stdout and stderr to stdout? |
| 16:30.59 | Moofius | something like &1> or something |
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| 16:31.41 | Moofius | command -h 34 -bla "eh" &>1 |
| 16:31.56 | DanDare | Hello again. I can make damage to the system by performing 'apt-get -f install' ? |
| 16:32.25 | Moofius | 2>&1 |
| 16:32.41 | Linus` | aadil: that seems cool, you can even be the evil sysadmin from hell |
| 16:32.46 | twobitsprite | ruadh: run "apt-get install xchat" as root |
| 16:32.48 | Linus` | but how long did it take you to get there? :o |
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| 16:33.12 | aadil | oh but i am evil |
| 16:33.34 | stew | DanDare: no, -f means "fix" so you shold only be fixing broken things, not breaking new things |
| 16:33.37 | d-b | steals aadil's cookie |
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| 16:33.52 | aadil | took me like 2 LUGs, 1 psycho girlfriend with daddy issues and 6 years |
| 16:33.58 | DanDare | Im treying to install a .deb package but is claims that needs different versions for dependencies yet intalled. By doing 'apt-get -f install' it will terminate the .deb installation anyway or it will install different version dependencies over yet installed packages on the system? |
| 16:34.05 | stew | Moofius: 2>&1 |
| 16:34.05 | DanDare | ok so stew |
| 16:34.06 | Linus` | is the psycho gf related? |
| 16:34.07 | aadil | gets the BFG on d-b |
| 16:34.10 | aadil | :d |
| 16:34.14 | DanDare | nice to hear :) thanks |
| 16:34.14 | d-b | bfg ? |
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| 16:34.24 | DanDare | big ### gun ? |
| 16:34.33 | Moofius | stew: will it replace stdout with stderr or just add it in the middle or whatever? |
| 16:34.35 | d-b | DanDare: i thought it was big ** gir.. |
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| 16:34.40 | d-b | glider |
| 16:34.41 | aadil | heh |
| 16:34.57 | d-b | girder |
| 16:35.21 | stew | Moofius: it would just redirect stderr to stdout, if you dont redirect stdout, the two would just be combined |
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| 16:35.38 | aadil | Linus`, maybe she was related - will never know |
| 16:35.50 | Moofius | stew: ok, sounds good |
| 16:36.05 | plb_ | think I finally got my desktop how I like it http://omploader.org/vMTBubg |
| 16:36.39 | aadil | hmm |
| 16:36.43 | aadil | i can see conky |
| 16:36.48 | plb_ | yeah |
| 16:36.50 | aadil | fluxbox |
| 16:36.54 | plb_ | nope |
| 16:36.56 | plb_ | openbox |
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| 16:36.58 | aadil | ok |
| 16:37.02 | aadil | u tried tilda? |
| 16:37.15 | plb_ | sound familiar |
| 16:37.20 | plb_ | I'm using tint at the bottom |
| 16:37.22 | aadil | if not, then u should - it's nice |
| 16:37.26 | Linus` | aadil: well, 6 years is 1 year less then the time it'll take me to degree (bachelor+master) |
| 16:37.30 | Linus` | that's kind of sad, sigh. |
| 16:37.46 | aadil | heh |
| 16:38.07 | aadil | i quit my bsc in computerz studies to work |
| 16:38.53 | aadil | i found programming in java was not a zen means of living |
| 16:38.54 | enouf | computewarez ftw |
| 16:38.55 | aadil | :3 |
| 16:39.04 | Linus` | isn't it? :D |
| 16:39.25 | aadil | bah, i find java and vb.net boring |
| 16:40.08 | Linus` | have you already moved to brainfuck then? |
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| 16:41.26 | aadil | nope |
| 16:41.51 | Linus` | well that shouldn't be boring |
| 16:41.53 | Eulex | aadil, me, I've only been forced to do stuff in java in two courses. except for that I've been using python, perl, C++ and haskell in school assignments so far |
| 16:42.05 | aadil | same same mate |
| 16:42.17 | aadil | but all the programming i do now is admin related |
| 16:42.22 | aadil | scripts |
| 16:42.35 | aadil | else i write html code with pen and paper for fun |
| 16:42.37 | aadil | :) |
| 16:42.45 | Eulex | ^_^ |
| 16:42.51 | Linus` | do you really have to work yourself when you have 20 persons under you? :P |
| 16:42.51 | Eulex | you render it by hand too? |
| 16:42.55 | Linus` | Lol |
| 16:42.57 | aadil | but i was wondering what is the future for us sysadmins |
| 16:43.14 | aadil | Linus`, i dont have 20 ppl under me - i am in a team of 20 sysadmins |
| 16:43.16 | aadil | :) |
| 16:43.22 | Linus` | oh, i see |
| 16:43.31 | aadil | Eulex, render is in the mind |
| 16:43.33 | aadil | ;d |
| 16:43.52 | Linus` | you would be really high if you had 20 ppl under you indeed, 35meters or so |
| 16:43.58 | aadil | heh |
| 16:44.03 | Eulex | ^^ |
| 16:45.31 | Eulex | anyway, enough offtopicness |
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| 16:45.59 | aadil | righty! |
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| 16:48.37 | enouf | !sunday |
| 16:48.38 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 16:50.05 | aadil | heh |
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| 16:51.42 | Eulex | !sing sundat |
| 16:51.43 | Eulex | !sing sunday |
| 16:51.44 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 16:53.20 | stoned | dpkg shut the fuck up |
| 16:53.21 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 16:54.07 | stoned | !weenie |
| 16:54.08 | dpkg | i heard weenie is good |
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| 17:28.37 | larsjaaaaa | Hi! Anyone know how to flush/restart the wireless networking? I have tried #/etc/init..d/networking restart, #ifdown wlan0/#ifup wlan0, restarted NetworkManager, restarted the nm-applet... After a reboot iwlist wlan0 scan works again... |
| 17:30.20 | Eulex | you might want to try reloading the driver module too between ifdown and ifup |
| 17:30.26 | Eulex | what driver btw? |
| 17:31.34 | enouf | larsjaaaaa: modprobe -r your wireless driver - lspci -k and lsmod can help |
| 17:31.48 | enouf | oh .. late again |
| 17:32.19 | Eulex | well |
| 17:32.28 | Eulex | I didn't tell him *how* to reload it :) |
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| 17:36.20 | jetscreamer | how do i reset a 'host protected area' on a hard drive... i don't want a host protected area. i want the entire hd available |
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| 17:37.50 | jetscreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_Protected_Area |
| 17:38.30 | joltcan | jetscreamer: Can't you just use cfdisk and remove it? |
| 17:38.39 | enouf | jetscreamer: is that a U3 device? |
| 17:38.47 | joltcan | oh sorry, mhdd? |
| 17:39.03 | jetscreamer | also, did y'all know that moving the stock kernels back to a default /dev/hd* instead of the /dev/sd* brings back my add in controller bug (diff subject) |
| 17:39.19 | jetscreamer | joltcan: i dd'd the bastid... it's not a partition |
| 17:39.30 | enouf | jetscreamer: it very well may if it concerns pata_marvell and ahci |
| 17:39.46 | jetscreamer | i don't know what U3 is... but this is a notebook hd |
| 17:39.52 | enouf | !u3 |
| 17:39.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS ... |
| 17:40.02 | jetscreamer | wd |
| 17:40.17 | enouf | well .. then it's not, i guess - you snagged someone's stinkpad? |
| 17:40.24 | larsjaaaaa | enouf: thanks! will try that, |
| 17:40.52 | enouf | jetscreamer: check the BIOS settings? i will look at wikipedia in the meantime |
| 17:40.55 | jetscreamer | friend of mine got somebody else to clone his hd and install it in his notebook |
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| 17:41.23 | jetscreamer | now it has this protected area |
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| 17:41.53 | jetscreamer | linux disables it and can work around it though |
| 17:42.04 | jetscreamer | but it's still there, i want to get rid of it |
| 17:42.11 | jetscreamer | reads more also |
| 17:42.16 | enouf | jetscreamer: toss that piece of crap into the glory hole and incinerate it's ass |
| 17:42.46 | jetscreamer | it's a brand new wd 250GB pata notebook hd |
| 17:42.55 | abrotman | jetscreamer: do you want to keep what's there currently ? |
| 17:43.11 | jetscreamer | abrotman: no.... but i dd'd the entire drive, no joy |
| 17:43.20 | jetscreamer | with zeros |
| 17:43.24 | abrotman | /dev/hda ? |
| 17:43.33 | jetscreamer | it's /dev/hdc but yeah |
| 17:43.48 | jetscreamer | i have it hooked up to my box atm |
| 17:44.00 | abrotman | if you do an fdisk -l on it .. do you see more than one partition ? |
| 17:44.09 | enouf | there are tools listed on wikipedia .. one is freeware, and has already been mentioned |
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| 17:44.43 | khaleel5000 | hello, I have to do some filesharing between a linux and windoes (vista) pc, just 2 pcs, via ethernet |
| 17:44.47 | khaleel5000 | its not a 'lan' with server and alot of pcs, just 2 pcs, one linux(debian) otehr vista, how do i do that? the google terms are for windows ones |
| 17:45.14 | abrotman | samba is probably the easiest for you |
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| 17:46.37 | jetscreamer | there are no partitions listed after the dd... but fdisk mentions a 4th partition, anyway and says (something i forgot) will be corrected after write |
| 17:47.05 | jetscreamer | i'm going to try the tools listed on wikipedia i reckon |
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| 17:49.29 | VolVE | hey all, wondering how to get the name of the newest directory for a bash script I'm writing? basically I have a backup directory with some subdirs but I only ever want the name of the newest one |
| 17:49.55 | enouf | mtime? |
| 17:49.57 | \amethyst | VolVE: ls -t directory | head -n 1 |
| 17:50.03 | VolVE | hmm |
| 17:50.11 | VolVE | I'll give those a try, thanks! :) |
| 17:51.05 | \amethyst | people in #bash would kill me for suggesting ls, but GNU ls doesn't mangle its output when writing to a pipe so it should be fine |
| 17:51.36 | VolVE | so it /is/ safe or it isn't... ? :/ |
| 17:51.55 | \amethyst | it's safe with GNU ls |
| 17:52.14 | \amethyst | apparently ls on some other operating systems can mangle special characters in filenames even when writing to a pipe |
| 17:52.22 | VolVE | curious |
| 17:52.28 | \amethyst | if your filenames are reasonable (no control characters etc) it doesn't matter anyway |
| 17:52.53 | VolVE | right, right |
| 17:53.56 | enouf | tattles on \amethyst :-p |
| 17:54.08 | \amethyst | :P |
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| 17:55.29 | RizR | chaps - got debian 4.0. connecting a usb hard drive and mounting it manually. it unmounts automatically after a while (I guess some sort of timeout etc). any way to prevent that? |
| 17:55.39 | jetscreamer | this is cool though |
| 17:55.56 | jpinx | I want to dd a usb stick with random characters. I do dd if=/dev/foo of=/dev/sda. What's the foo - is it /dev/urandom ? |
| 17:56.00 | abrotman | RizR: the drive is going to sleep |
| 17:56.26 | jetscreamer | urandom takes a long time but yeah iirc |
| 17:56.37 | enouf | RizR: older kernel? |
| 17:56.53 | RizR | enouf: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 17:56.59 | RizR | abrotman: how to keep it awake? :-) |
| 17:57.11 | \amethyst | jpinx: or wipe -kD /dev/sda |
| 17:57.26 | abrotman | i seem to recall something with hdparm .. but i'm not 100% sure |
| 17:57.35 | enouf | RizR: try the etchnhalf one - or this is an option; http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/14/187 follow the URL within |
| 17:57.53 | jpinx | \amethyst: Hmm - not tried that on before - thanks |
| 17:57.53 | enouf | abrotman: sdparm - you were close |
| 17:57.57 | jetscreamer | msg's greycat and snitches also |
| 17:58.11 | abrotman | hopefully hdparm would have led him there, but whatever |
| 17:58.28 | enouf | ? |
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| 18:00.08 | JordiGH | Ack, where are the manpages for the glibc functions and headers? |
| 18:00.15 | JordiGH | GNU does make manpages for its C library, right? |
| 18:00.26 | enouf | hdparm has nothing to do with sdparm, the only similarities are in their names |
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| 18:00.48 | enouf | (basically - or some other obsure early authors refs) |
| 18:00.51 | jetscreamer | also whereTF is the grub2 docs.... afaict there is noe |
| 18:00.57 | jetscreamer | none |
| 18:01.04 | jetscreamer | (not important) |
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| 18:01.14 | jetscreamer | s/is/are/ |
| 18:01.20 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Looked in non-free? Or probably completely removed because, zomg, they're non-free. |
| 18:01.20 | \amethyst | JordiGH: don't think so... you probably want manpages-dev but I believe there are some obscure functions that are not covered |
| 18:01.25 | enouf | jetscreamer: heh try #grub |
| 18:01.34 | enouf | jetscreamer: enbug.grub.org? |
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| 18:01.49 | JordiGH | gets kinda annoyed when devs remove the gfdl stuff without even putting it in non-free. |
| 18:02.03 | jetscreamer | i removed it and put grub1 back on, so not importand |
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| 18:02.12 | \amethyst | JordiGH: GNU provides an .info doc for glibc, which is in glibc-doc-reference (non-free) |
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| 18:02.50 | jetscreamer | burns a floppy yeehaa |
| 18:02.57 | enouf | JordiGH: there is gcc-doc in contrib and it's gcc-4.xx-en or something in non-free |
| 18:03.01 | ringo999 | what's an easy way to convert tex to html? |
| 18:03.04 | JordiGH | \amethyst: "Free software needs free documentation" SHUT UP YOU NON-FREE PEDDLER! |
| 18:03.06 | enouf | !gcc-doc |
| 18:03.06 | dpkg | the man pages for gcc are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free> <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev. |
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| 18:03.36 | jetscreamer | gah it's windows based |
| 18:03.40 | enouf | haha |
| 18:04.07 | JordiGH | ringo999: There's latex2html, but it's semi-free. :-/ |
| 18:04.29 | JordiGH | ringo999: It's packaged, though. |
| 18:04.44 | JordiGH | And the author abandoned it in 2005. |
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| 18:05.24 | RizR | enouf: generally after about how long does the drive waits before spinning down? I'm thinking why no just run a cronjob to write something to it every once in a while. |
| 18:05.48 | enouf | RizR: it'll shutdown during the write too! |
| 18:06.14 | enouf | RizR: iirc, ~15 minutes - it depends on what CRAP the Manu pulled in the making |
| 18:06.31 | RizR | enouf: bugger. :-) |
| 18:06.53 | enouf | RizR: the issue came to a head when people's drives would shutdown during large tranfers, pissing them off, corrupting data, etc ... |
| 18:07.28 | abrotman | he could mount it sync .. that might keep it from spinning down as often |
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| 18:07.48 | enouf | RizR: apt-get upate (ensure you have what /msg dpkg security tells you) and apt-cache search linux-image | grep .24 .. install the resultant correct newer kernel |
| 18:08.03 | hesco | can anyone here please recommend an ftp client (gui ok) which will do recursive uploads? |
| 18:08.08 | RizR | enouf: I usually steer away from usb hard drives. my 1st experience with these things. |
| 18:08.14 | enouf | abrotman: sync kills speed, might as well go usb 1.1 |
| 18:08.27 | RizR | enouf: thanks. let me do that. |
| 18:08.30 | abrotman | enouf: it does, but it's his first experience .. he has nothing to compare it to :) |
| 18:08.48 | enouf | ooo .. coy |
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| 18:11.04 | jetscreamer | hesco: gftp works for me, there's probably better ones |
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| 18:11.46 | jetscreamer | filezilla has a linux port i 'think' |
| 18:11.53 | jetscreamer | iirc rather |
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| 18:12.15 | jetscreamer | boot to dos :/ |
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| 18:12.33 | eclectic | on my ten year old thinkpad with net-installed etch and xorg working, X uses whole 13" screen but virtual terminals only use 7" (diagonal) area in center. anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 18:13.10 | enouf | eclectic: virtual terminals as in TTYs? or xterms? |
| 18:13.28 | eclectic | ttys |
| 18:13.53 | enouf | eclectic: that sounds like you have no fbcon loading, show us cat /proc/cmdline |
| 18:14.15 | eclectic | ok |
| 18:14.17 | enouf | eclectic: oh, before i forget thinkwiki.org for your needs in general |
| 18:14.55 | jpinx | sheesh - dd /dev/urandom is an overnight job -- it's painfully slow and eats resources :( |
| 18:15.04 | eclectic | yes, i used thinkwiki (and linked pages) a lot to get this far :) |
| 18:15.05 | enouf | haha .. yep |
| 18:15.35 | enouf | eclectic: there are even #thinkpad-user (or similarly named) channels |
| 18:17.20 | enouf | eclectic: also note; "/msg dpkg fbcon resolution" (again, in general) .. but i'm thinking for you to add a vga= option to your kernel lines ..do "dmesg | grep vesa" and pastebin the result |
| 18:17.27 | eclectic | i've only looked on freenode for thinkpad groups, only one was from deutchland and no activity |
| 18:18.12 | enouf | eclectic: aha |
| 18:18.14 | enouf | ] -ALIS- ##ibmthinkpad 50 :Mailing list archive: http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad || wiki http://www.thinkwiki.org/ || IBM-ACPI: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ibm-acpi-devel || usenet: comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad |
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| 18:19.50 | enouf | eclectic: also "uname -r says? |
| 18:20.07 | enouf | eclectic: er "uname -r" |
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| 18:21.02 | Gah | man am i tired... i just tried "su gah" in another channel |
| 18:21.28 | abrotman | and you came here to tell us about it ? |
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| 18:21.56 | Gah | no, that's another aspect of my being tired :P |
| 18:24.27 | eclectic | enouf: wow that is a lot to work with and I am not too swift (getting this machine running with x etc is my supreme geek achievment); so i am going to come back later. thanks :) |
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| 18:25.02 | hesco | jetscreamer: sweet, gftp seems to do the trick for me as well. I was sure getting tired of answering all those confirmation prompts. |
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| 18:26.50 | lem0n | what is the ideal way to install perl modules on a debian system? i know on centos it's highly encouraged you use the package manager and find repos that include modules, and not to use CPAN. what about debian? |
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| 18:27.24 | mrec | hey, anyone around who understands chinese? |
| 18:27.40 | hoxu | lem0n, install debian packages |
| 18:27.49 | lem0n | k |
| 18:27.56 | hoxu | mrec, http://translate.google.com/ |
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| 18:33.41 | twoten | how can I upgrade my distro from etch to lenny? |
| 18:34.01 | JordiGH | twoten: Yes, but you might want to wait until lenny releases. |
| 18:34.15 | Gah | !upgrade |
| 18:34.15 | dpkg | it has been said that upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first Ask me about <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> |
| 18:34.39 | twoten | lenny has yet to be released? |
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| 18:35.38 | JordiGH | twoten: Yeah... it's been frozen for five months. :-( |
| 18:35.44 | JordiGH | Have you fixed an RC bug today? |
| 18:36.35 | twoten | damn, I'm trying to find a libmp3lame package that won't choke on install |
| 18:37.13 | JordiGH | That's in Marillat... |
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| 18:37.35 | JordiGH | Not officially in lenny or etch. |
| 18:37.43 | RizR | enouf: i do apt-get update and then search for required kernel package. but cant find later than the installed one. could you lend a hand plz? |
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| 18:40.18 | SQlvpapir | !security |
| 18:40.18 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 18:40.43 | SQlvpapir | !testing security |
| 18:40.43 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 18:41.41 | JordiGH | Planet Debian has begun to accumulate drama over lenny release. |
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| 18:43.45 | hesco | lem0n: I find that it takes some combination of packages in Debian and modules straight from CPAN to get all the perl modules my work requires. But I always go with the version in apt repositories if they exist and will do the job. |
| 18:43.48 | JordiGH | And there's a GR vote that everyone seems to hate. |
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| 18:44.03 | lem0n | yeah, i managed to find what i was looking for in the repos :) |
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| 18:44.43 | SQlvpapir | well who gives a fuck O,o its just a label. yet I do agree that they should polish as much as possible to try and reach the deadline so we can get some new shit in unstable |
| 18:45.13 | abrotman | so eloquent ... |
| 18:45.48 | stew | there is no deadline |
| 18:45.59 | SQlvpapir | well estimated deadlineish |
| 18:46.32 | stew | sept 2008? |
| 18:47.58 | Craz | Anyone have idea why fail2ban bans ip after 14 fails instead of 5 fails which is configured in fail.conf? |
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| 18:48.12 | JordiGH | Debian politics are so much more interesting than real world politics. |
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| 18:48.36 | JordiGH | hopes Josselin Mouette manages to accumulate another scandal before lenny releases. |
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| 18:48.51 | abrotman | support channel! |
| 18:49.02 | abrotman | Craz: they might be too far apart |
| 18:49.03 | JordiGH | Yeah, yeah, sorry... |
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| 18:49.49 | hoxu | is there #debian-politics? :p |
| 18:50.34 | JordiGH | Yeah, probably #debian-devel on OFTC. :-) |
| 18:50.38 | abrotman | maybe we should create a ##debian-project here and OFTC |
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| 18:53.44 | kenboo | where can I set memory size for Java? |
| 18:54.02 | octoserver | what is the best fs to protect against possible corruption ? ext3 right ? |
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| 18:54.14 | hoxu | kenboo, man java, search for "-Xm" |
| 18:54.45 | hoxu | octoserver, "possible corruption"? |
| 18:55.00 | kenboo | hmm man java has no entry. am I missing man package for java or something? |
| 18:55.32 | hoxu | kenboo, run mandb? |
| 18:56.01 | kenboo | hmm still no entry. |
| 18:56.22 | hoxu | kenboo, ahh sorry, manpages for java seem to be in the jdk only (for sun java at least) |
| 18:57.18 | kenboo | there's /etc/java-6-sun/jvm.cfg, and I set -Xmx256m but it has no effect |
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| 18:57.32 | octoserver | hoxu, well power goes out or whatever. something with journaling is best right? |
| 18:57.46 | larsjaaaaa | kenboo: is it set in the java app too` |
| 18:57.54 | octoserver | ext3 is as good as any right ? |
| 18:57.55 | hoxu | kenboo, try providing it on the commandline when starting the app |
| 18:58.04 | dutchfish | kenboo, setup your java home correctly? |
| 18:58.15 | hoxu | octoserver, ext3 should be very solid because it's widely used and has been around for a while, yes |
| 18:58.20 | kenboo | er....let me check |
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| 18:58.43 | larsjaaaaa | octoserver: its good, but it depends on your needs, jfs, xfs have some special features, |
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| 18:59.39 | jetscreamer | yay team! success |
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| 19:00.18 | larsjaaaaa | octoserver: ext3 got alot of tools and utils, and is prooven to be really stable, |
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| 19:00.45 | octoserver | can it handle severe magnetic storms? |
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| 19:00.49 | jetscreamer | with large inodes |
| 19:00.49 | octoserver | lol jk |
| 19:00.59 | jetscreamer | yes, and atomic bombs |
| 19:01.10 | JordiGH | kenboo: What manpage you're missing? java(1)? OpenJDK provides it too. |
| 19:01.11 | jetscreamer | also j/k |
| 19:01.46 | jetscreamer | jfs is good if you're shopping around |
| 19:01.53 | jetscreamer | for an fs |
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| 19:02.15 | kenboo | I was using gcj by accident. update-alternative --config java, then switched to java-6-sun |
| 19:02.43 | octoserver | I use ext3 for my boot, and I do use xfs for some other stuff since it is supposed to be a little faster(i do have a ups too) I am going to back a bunch of stuff up to a drive, and unplug it too and wondered if anything is better than ext3 as far as stabilaaty goes long term |
| 19:02.59 | kenboo | man java is back |
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| 19:03.00 | jetscreamer | xfs has grub issues but i'm not up on them |
| 19:03.05 | dutchfish | kenboo, then check /etc/profile for JAVA_HOME variable |
| 19:03.15 | jetscreamer | i think it has to be the partition with the grub files on it |
| 19:03.20 | jetscreamer | to have a problem |
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| 19:03.43 | jetscreamer | there is ext4 |
| 19:03.48 | jetscreamer | you could try it out |
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| 19:04.05 | jetscreamer | maybe it's as good as reiser! |
| 19:04.10 | jetscreamer | also j/k |
| 19:04.13 | kenboo | dutchfish: JAVA_HOME is not there in /etc/profile. should I set it in my .bash_profile ? |
| 19:04.26 | jetscreamer | rieser? |
| 19:04.35 | dutchfish | what brings java --version ? |
| 19:04.38 | octoserver | jetscreamer: i think you are right, something to do with the beginning of the xfs fs getting in the way of the mbr if it is the first partition? maybe I am full of it lol ? |
| 19:04.46 | ruadh | I had no idea how difficult it is trying to install packages in Debian xfce. I've given up and will leave linux behind |
| 19:04.54 | jetscreamer | if you do grub-install it will tell you |
| 19:05.02 | jetscreamer | or just parse the script |
| 19:05.23 | kenboo | Unrecognized option: --version |
| 19:05.23 | kenboo | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 19:05.45 | jetscreamer | doesn't say 'what does xfce have to do with installing packages' since the quitter quit |
| 19:05.45 | dutchfish | or was it java -version ? |
| 19:06.03 | kenboo | Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_07-b06) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 10.0-b23, mixed mode, sharing) |
| 19:06.15 | dutchfish | kenboo, ok, then you are done with the path |
| 19:06.58 | dutchfish | kenboo, only a handfull of java apps need it to be in /etc/profile too |
| 19:07.11 | dutchfish | kenboo, mostly not |
| 19:07.12 | jetscreamer | has only 58G left to cp! |
| 19:07.21 | kenboo | oh ic. I'm trying to run Adobe Flex compiler |
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| 19:07.44 | dutchfish | kenboo, no idee about that, but your java runtime should be workin gnow |
| 19:08.40 | dutchfish | kenboo, this is not the SUN one isnt it? |
| 19:09.05 | kenboo | how to check? I was wondering that too as -version didn't say Sun |
| 19:09.08 | dutchfish | kenboo, nvm |
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| 19:09.16 | dutchfish | kenboo, its ok |
| 19:09.50 | dutchfish | kenboo, SE is SUN |
| 19:10.10 | kenboo | oh ic. thanks. |
| 19:10.29 | jetscreamer | why not del 2 chars? oic |
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| 19:13.19 | dutchfish | kenboo, just 1 q, does it need the SDK also? |
| 19:13.29 | kenboo | I don't think so |
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| 19:13.37 | dutchfish | kenboo, oh ok |
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| 19:16.07 | jetscreamer | ook :) |
| 19:16.29 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, aslo? |
| 19:16.38 | dutchfish | s/salo/also |
| 19:16.48 | dutchfish | oh boy |
| 19:17.43 | octoserver | whydoes ext3 reserve 5% for the super user ? |
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| 19:18.19 | nullboy | you can always change that |
| 19:18.28 | abrotman | so that if the users fill it up, root can still do stuff |
| 19:18.41 | JordiGH | dutchfish: an -m 4 also |
| 19:18.51 | dutchfish | JordiGH, ;) |
| 19:18.54 | octoserver | oh cool |
| 19:19.07 | JordiGH | Laos! |
| 19:19.20 | nullboy | octoserver: man tune2fs and look for -m |
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| 19:19.50 | nullboy | octoserver: might also like -l |
| 19:19.54 | octoserver | does tune2fs use mkfs as a backend somehow? |
| 19:20.04 | martian67 | no |
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| 19:20.35 | octoserver | i noticed i could change the volume label in tune2fs and it didnt format the drive, but when I did it in mkfs it formated the drive all over again |
| 19:20.53 | abrotman | though if you're hitting that 5% limit, you're going to have to clean up and/or get more storage |
| 19:20.56 | martian67 | mkfs uses mke2fs as a backend though |
| 19:21.11 | octoserver | probably something i did or didnt do i am sure though |
| 19:21.39 | octoserver | what about when i do mkfs.ext3, is it the same as mkfs -t ext3 ? |
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| 19:22.09 | kenboo | thanks. the Java is ok now. I'm making some progress. |
| 19:22.13 | octoserver | i know its off topic sorry |
| 19:22.49 | octoserver | is tune2fs the preffered prog ,and the man I should read up on you think ? |
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| 19:24.12 | octoserver | i see, tune2fs is more for just tuning certain ext3/2 parameters after the fact :) |
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| 19:28.31 | dutchfish | can i setup a bond of 2 phys nics with open-iscsii in lenny? or is this no (yet) supported? |
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| 19:30.02 | abrotman | like bonding kind of ? |
| 19:30.15 | RizR | got a mounted vfat drive. how do I make it writeable by all users on client side when shared using samba? |
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| 19:32.57 | dvs | RizR: Change the default permission in the smb.conf file. |
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| 19:33.07 | [c0re] | hi |
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| 19:33.27 | [c0re] | can anyone tell me where is compiz-switch installed? |
| 19:33.51 | [c0re] | the executed file |
| 19:34.00 | [c0re] | its not in /usr/sbin |
| 19:34.09 | [c0re] | i installed it using apt |
| 19:34.34 | [c0re] | oops sorry |
| 19:34.50 | [c0re] | i installed this package from a .deb file |
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| 19:35.07 | \amethyst | dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 19:35.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching <packagename> |
| 19:35.22 | dvs | heh |
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| 19:35.39 | CapaH | Can anyone here help me get compiz running on an nvidia card? It was working fine, then Debian Lenny upgraded and now when I try to start compiz I get: "Checking for Xgl: not present" - and then it falls back to metacity - any ideas? |
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| 19:35.58 | dutchfish | [c0re], if you are on KDE: compiz-kde: /usr/share/config.kcfg/compiz-switcher.kcfg |
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| 19:37.10 | deja_vu | hello, is there anyway to kill a non-responding instance of gam_server? it's using all cpu, kill -9 doesn't help. :( |
| 19:37.24 | CapaH | deja_vu you need to kill its parent if kill -9 isn't working |
| 19:37.30 | [c0re] | dutchfish, i am on gnome |
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| 19:37.38 | CapaH | I think px aufx gives you a tree... |
| 19:37.41 | CapaH | ps rather |
| 19:37.41 | deja_vu | CapaH: init |
| 19:37.49 | [c0re] | dutchfish, http://blogage.de/files/3611/download?compiz-switch_0.4.3%7Eubuntu-1_all.deb |
| 19:37.53 | dutchfish | [c0re], maybe then: compiz-plugins: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/compiz-switcher.schemas |
| 19:37.57 | Eulex | deja_vu, uh well, don't kill init :) |
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| 19:38.20 | deja_vu | Eulex: that's why i'm here :) |
| 19:38.24 | deja_vu | i like my init |
| 19:38.24 | dutchfish | [c0re], i dont about ubuntu, sorry |
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| 19:39.17 | c_newbie | hi, i got error while i want to run php-cli under my debian etch 64bit: The server requires pcntl_fork() to work. Make sure you are running the server on a POSIX machine. |
| 19:39.20 | deja_vu | it somehow seems to lock up when i'm exiting thunar while it's still reading a directory |
| 19:39.25 | abrotman | [c0re]: go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 19:39.34 | c_newbie | is there anything i should install with apt-get? |
| 19:39.50 | abrotman | maybe use aptitude instead of apt-get ? |
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| 19:41.19 | abrotman | c_newbie: that doesn't make sense .. the php5-cli has the pcntl extension builtin |
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| 19:41.40 | c_newbie | abrotman: i know, that's why i was so confused |
| 19:41.41 | c_newbie | :/ |
| 19:41.58 | abrotman | c_newbie: `which php5` returns what ? |
| 19:42.22 | stew | root 4233 2.0 61.4 1017592 632488 pts/10 D+ 13:07 1:54 rsync -avzH |
| 19:42.33 | stew | awesome, rsync using oer a GB of memory |
| 19:42.36 | deja_vu | is there any other way to at least make the process stop running? |
| 19:42.37 | c_newbie | abrotman: /usr/bin/php5 |
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| 19:45.14 | johndoe | im getting some weird problems. i downloaded a debian CD install, and burnt it to a CD. it wont boot on the computer |
| 19:45.18 | CapaH | Question, I am getting this in my xorg.log ---> Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so <--- an ls -la shows: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so -> libglx.so.173.14.09 -- any ideas? |
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| 19:46.29 | johndoe | i checked the md5sum |
| 19:46.33 | c_newbie | abrotman: is there anything i should done? |
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| 19:46.49 | johndoe | i burned it twice. i checked the CD after burning it |
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| 19:47.01 | johndoe | i burned on on another computer too |
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| 19:48.01 | dvs | johndoe: and there's a directory structure on the CD, not just one file? |
| 19:48.13 | johndoe | dvs: yep |
| 19:48.17 | ryanCH | i was installing with the debian CD's i downloaded from an FTP site, but i have 4 DVD's the debian installation ends and it never asks me for the other CD's, why is this? |
| 19:48.38 | johndoe | ryanCH: because the packages on other DVD's werent needed |
| 19:48.54 | johndoe | dvs: im thinking that the installation is corrupt itself |
| 19:49.14 | ryanCH | it starts with GNOME, does that mean KDE and the other winmgr's are not installed? |
| 19:49.26 | abrotman | ryanCH: use apt-cdrom to scan the others |
| 19:49.49 | abrotman | c_newbie: did you try a phpinfo() page to see which extensions are there ? |
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| 19:50.02 | ryanCH | abrotman: how do i change window managers? |
| 19:50.05 | ryanCH | *first |
| 19:50.11 | abrotman | you have to install a new one first |
| 19:50.26 | ryanCH | ok |
| 19:51.07 | ryanCH | ok |
| 19:51.09 | ryanCH | brb |
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| 19:56.01 | jhambo | Hi folks my wireless seems to periodically disconnect and after disconnecting it takes several tries to get it to reconnect. In my dmesg I see http://paste.debian.net/23624/. Any thoughts on how I might fix this very frustrating problem? |
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| 20:04.38 | c_newbie | hi, i got error while i want to run php-cli under my debian etch 64bit: "The server requires pcntl_fork() to work. Make sure you are running the server on a POSIX machine." is there anything i should do for this? |
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| 20:05.28 | abrotman | c_newbie: did you do what i asked yet? |
| 20:05.45 | GuySoft | hey, it seems my PATH environment variable is gone after a debian upgrade, what could be the cause? |
| 20:05.53 | mooky | no, he just asked #ubuntu instead of following your advice |
| 20:06.01 | johndoe | what does an instalation cd need to boot? vmlinuz & initrd.gz? |
| 20:06.36 | c_newbie | to see php info? |
| 20:06.54 | enouf | isolinux/syslinux |
| 20:07.46 | jhambo | Hi folks my wireless seems to periodically disconnect and after disconnecting it takes several tries to get it to reconnect. In my dmesg I see http://paste.debian.net/23624/. Any thoughts? |
| 20:07.47 | c_newbie | abrotman: which extension you were mentioned? |
| 20:08.19 | abrotman | the one you're looking for maybe? |
| 20:08.41 | c_newbie | posix is there, http://203.117.91.70/apache2-default/config.php |
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| 20:09.36 | abrotman | it's pcntl i thought |
| 20:09.55 | c_newbie | yes, but the php5-cli cant identify it |
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| 20:10.08 | enouf | jhambo: if nobody has anything here - try #networking, and possibly ##linux and #security (not all at once) and google the exact error |
| 20:10.20 | c_newbie | abrotman: what should i do next? |
| 20:10.40 | abrotman | ask ##php if the function you're looking for is provided by what is shown on the phpinfo() page |
| 20:10.58 | enouf | c_newbie: file /bin/ls says? |
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| 20:11.20 | c_newbie | /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
| 20:11.42 | enouf | ok - just checking if you do indeed have a 64bit userland |
| 20:11.44 | jhambo | another question. I'm installing vbox in lenny. I was following the directions given by dpkg but after running `m-a a-i virtualbox-ose` on the screen I am told to "m-a install virtualbox-ose-source". This is different from what dpkg tells me to do. Which instructions should I follow? |
| 20:11.57 | c_newbie | :/ i always get troubled with debian 64bit |
| 20:11.59 | jhambo | !tell about vbox-install lenny |
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| 20:12.23 | jhambo | enouf: ill give that a shot thanks |
| 20:12.31 | enouf | c_newbie: you have more than 4G of RAM? and .. are you using a VM or a chroot? |
| 20:12.54 | enouf | !tell jhambo about msgthebot |
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| 20:13.39 | enouf | jhambo: you forgot me / jhambo in your !tell ... query, which you don;t need to do anyways - msg the bot in PM |
| 20:13.43 | c_newbie | enouf: no, only $gb |
| 20:13.49 | c_newbie | enouf: no, only 4gb ram |
| 20:13.49 | jhambo | enouf: how would I get the bot to tell the channel? |
| 20:14.00 | enouf | jhambo: you tell a person |
| 20:14.04 | c_newbie | enouf: no VM no chroot |
| 20:14.30 | jhambo | ah I was just trying to put what it said in the channel because it was relevent to my prior question... |
| 20:14.58 | enouf | c_newbie: well a -686 system would see/use approx 3.2G of that, but using a -686-bigmem would see it all (up to 64G) |
| 20:15.07 | \amethyst | still |
| 20:15.17 | \amethyst | does Debian's 64-bit PHP really not have fork()? |
| 20:15.44 | enouf | jhambo: i see now .. ok |
| 20:16.03 | \amethyst | does this fail? php5 -r 'if(0 == ($pid = pcntl_fork())) { echo "child\n"; } else { echo "parent, child is $pid\n"; pcntl_wait($pid); }' |
| 20:16.12 | enouf | !vbox-install lenny |
| 20:16.13 | dpkg | To stop virtualbox complaining about having the wrong version of the kernel module, you will have to build your own using module-assistant: aptitude install module-assistant virtualbox-ose-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose && modprobe -r vboxdrv && modprobe vboxdrv. Also keep an eye on bug http://bugs.debian.org/502375. |
| 20:16.41 | jhambo | ahh there we go |
| 20:16.41 | c_newbie | \amethyst: parent, child is 30914 |
| 20:16.41 | c_newbie | child |
| 20:16.50 | \amethyst | c_newbie: so fork is working |
| 20:17.05 | \amethyst | c_newbie: what program is giving you the error about pcntl_fork not being present? |
| 20:17.17 | enouf | jhambo: just follow the factoid as it is listed - all the way - then if issues occur, come back |
| 20:17.35 | jhambo | enouf: okay I'll give that a shot |
| 20:18.15 | enouf | jhambo: i'm thinking the 1st part of the factoid about wrong version is why you see m-a asking for source when you already have it |
| 20:18.39 | GuySoft | ah hell, nevermind.. something stuck a bad line in my ~/.bashr |
| 20:18.40 | c_newbie | \amethyst: it suppossed to work with other 64bit debian machine, well, it was really pain in the ass to make stream_select working under debian64 bit, and i have managed it. but now.. this problem shows up |
| 20:18.45 | enouf | jhambo: which is what the following steps (modprobe -r ... ) workaround |
| 20:19.10 | \amethyst | c_newbie: but where is the error message coming from? I don't think it's coming from PHP itself |
| 20:19.29 | c_newbie | \amethyst it is |
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| 20:20.28 | \amethyst | c_newbie: so PHP is telling you it requires pcntl_fork(), but the above snippet, which uses pcntl_fork(), works without error? |
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| 20:20.50 | \amethyst | you said the error was "The server requires pcntl_fork()" |
| 20:21.05 | \amethyst | that sounds like it is coming from some kind of server, not PHP itself |
| 20:21.08 | jhambo | enouf: so do those modprobe steps install it in such a way that I don't have to modprobe every time I reboot? forgive my ignorance of modules... |
| 20:21.10 | enouf | \amethyst: this is orig msg; <c_newbie> hi, i got error while i want to run php-cli under my debian etch 64bit: The server requires pcntl_fork() to work. Make sure you are running the server on a POSIX machine. |
| 20:21.20 | c_newbie | i've create a program with error report module, and the error report module shows me that log |
| 20:21.35 | \amethyst | okay, so maybe it's a problem with the error report module |
| 20:21.44 | c_newbie | this server.php should be a daemon |
| 20:21.51 | c_newbie | \amethyst: it work with other machine |
| 20:22.05 | c_newbie | this code is working from 4 years ago |
| 20:22.44 | enouf | jhambo: for loading modules at boot time, if an init.d script isn't used, or some other base thing like an initrd, which debian does use, you list modules one per line in /etc/modules if you need them loaded at boot time |
| 20:22.55 | c_newbie | or should i re-install the php it self? |
| 20:23.08 | okaratas | hello |
| 20:23.24 | \amethyst | c_newbie: does grep 'requires pc' server.php report anything? |
| 20:23.26 | jetscreamer | !info modconf |
| 20:23.27 | enouf | jhambo: the factoid steps should be only for now .. to use without rebooting .. so is that yes, or no? :-P |
| 20:23.30 | dpkg | modconf: (Device Driver Configuration), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.9 (sid), Packaged size: 1364 kB, Installed size: 4440 kB |
| 20:23.46 | jetscreamer | will write to /etc/modules for you so the modules will be autoloaded |
| 20:23.52 | jetscreamer | or just edit it yourself |
| 20:24.13 | c_newbie | \amethyst: the machine is debian etch amd64, i was trying to run stream_select() whereas on the default apt-get debian etch, it wont be running, it will make the looping process, 100% cpu usage |
| 20:24.14 | enouf | jhambo: yes, well as jetscreamer mentioned modinfo will tell you module info params/version/etc |
| 20:24.14 | jetscreamer | will 'load modules' & write to /etc/modules for you so the modules will be autoloaded |
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| 20:24.43 | enouf | oh, modconf? heh .. i just edit the file :-p |
| 20:24.46 | c_newbie | \amethyst: this bug never been solved since 3 years ago |
| 20:24.52 | jetscreamer | they would need to be unloaded for it to write to /etc/modules i think |
| 20:25.02 | \amethyst | c_newbie: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=42682 |
| 20:25.10 | \amethyst | c_newbie: that might be the stream_select problem |
| 20:25.10 | enouf | jetscreamer: i think you're thinking of when blacklisting |
| 20:25.31 | jetscreamer | i have a bug they just brought back recently with the change back from sd* to hd* |
| 20:25.51 | c_newbie | \amethyst: i know, its stream_select, other distro has fix this, but not debian |
| 20:25.57 | jhambo | enouf: hmmm after following the factoid directions, I don't seem to have any commands related to running virtualbox available. ah thanks for the modules info |
| 20:26.19 | jetscreamer | enouf: no modconf is a very simple no blacklisting able script... it's just it won't load the module if it's already loaded, so i would guess it wouldn't write the value either |
| 20:26.22 | jetscreamer | is what i mean |
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| 20:26.52 | \amethyst | c_newbie: what version of php5 ? |
| 20:26.58 | jetscreamer | best just to put the module name in yourself |
| 20:27.00 | c_newbie | enouf: i was confused, how to make our own .deb (php5) so it should be working under --with-openssl ? |
| 20:27.02 | jetscreamer | if you know it |
| 20:27.16 | \amethyst | c_newbie: that bug report says it's fixed in 5.2.6, which is lenny and sid (but not etch) |
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| 20:27.21 | c_newbie | \amethyst: PHP Version 5.2.0-8+etch13 |
| 20:27.21 | jetscreamer | but, you could unload then reload |
| 20:27.36 | enouf | jetscreamer: and i'm saying .. i don't recall not being able to write to /etc/modules, but i do recall not being able to blacklist a module while it was loaded |
| 20:27.50 | Serraphyn | Hey guys whats the best terminal? the xfce-terminal smashes the letters together to much and no matter what font I change it to it still does it |
| 20:27.54 | jetscreamer | no i mean the modconf script |
| 20:27.59 | enouf | ok |
| 20:28.03 | jetscreamer | not just being able to write |
| 20:28.13 | jetscreamer | of course you can edit it |
| 20:28.28 | jetscreamer | is confusing still :/ |
| 20:28.49 | c_newbie | \amethyst: people said that i should re-compile the php.deb package itself and change cflags with -O1 instead -O2 |
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| 20:29.20 | jetscreamer | Serraphyn: i like xterm myself |
| 20:29.25 | c_newbie | while i download apt-get source php5, and dpkg-buildpackage, all logs keep showing me "... -O2 " |
| 20:29.31 | c_newbie | how to change it? |
| 20:29.36 | Serraphyn | jetscreamer, thanks I couldn't remember the name of it |
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| 20:29.49 | \amethyst | c_newbie: edit debian/rules there should be a line that says CFLAGS += -O2 blah blah |
| 20:30.46 | \amethyst | c_newbie: you'll also want to use dch to bump the package version so you (and dpkg) won't confuse it with the version Debian ships |
| 20:30.52 | jetscreamer | Serraphyn: ctrl+rightclick on the xterm window |
| 20:31.04 | jetscreamer | for more goodness |
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| 20:33.35 | c_newbie | \amethyst: should i type configure or direct dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 20:33.57 | c_newbie | after i do apt-get source php5 and enter the php5 dir |
| 20:34.02 | enouf | c_newbie: you cd into where the source is, then cd into debian/rules, then edit the file |
| 20:34.17 | c_newbie | enouf: and? no need to configure? |
| 20:34.18 | enouf | er .. cd into debian/ |
| 20:34.23 | enouf | no |
| 20:34.38 | enouf | you don't use configure to build debian pkgs |
| 20:34.47 | enouf | from debian source |
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| 20:35.13 | enouf | !tell c_newbie -about debian/rules |
| 20:37.07 | c_newbie | ouch, i was ./configure so i could get Makefile file to edit -_o2 |
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| 20:37.57 | jetscreamer | !enouf++ |
| 20:38.39 | enouf | i did something good? .. phew! .. :-) |
| 20:38.41 | jetscreamer | !\amethyst++ |
| 20:39.03 | jetscreamer | da bof uv jouse |
| 20:39.18 | jetscreamer | s/bof/boaf/ |
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| 20:39.52 | enouf | yes, the debian/changelog is also very pertinent .. and then might as well use /msg dpkg hold ;-) (and might need to eventually generate a /msg dpkg equivs) |
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| 20:41.07 | your_majesty | debian sucks my ass |
| 20:41.25 | pothibo | your_majesty: thx for proving idiots still exist |
| 20:41.32 | \amethyst | your_majesty: I've been looking for a version that does that... where do I sign up? |
| 20:41.51 | jetscreamer | !ops your_majesty |
| 20:41.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: your_majesty |
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| 20:42.36 | your_majesty | c'mon kids, you know debian is for shit eaters, only. It's like 2nd release of wind0ze |
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| 20:43.01 | nullboy | i always wonder about those types |
| 20:43.09 | peterS | stew wins |
| 20:43.12 | nullboy | lol |
| 20:43.18 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.29 | Samb1 | hi I'm trying to get flash player working for epiphany in debian.. seem to be having probs with the install |
| 20:43.43 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 20:44.15 | Samb1 | if I install as su it asks for the mozilla directory.. which I give it but it says its not a directory |
| 20:44.26 | Samb1 | I've also installer the swf-player package |
| 20:44.29 | Samb1 | installed |
| 20:44.36 | Samb1 | via the package isntaller |
| 20:45.08 | jetscreamer | there's a factoid about symlinking a plugin, but it's for java iirc... maybe applicable? |
| 20:45.21 | Samb1 | symlinking? |
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| 20:45.35 | jetscreamer | !symlink |
| 20:45.35 | dpkg | Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first |
| 20:45.42 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 20:45.48 | jetscreamer | man ln |
| 20:45.48 | Samb1 | I also cp'd the .so file you get with the installer in to the epiphany plugins folder |
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| 20:46.47 | nolimitsoya | Samb1, id use a symlink instead so all your epiphany plugins get updated automatically when your wozilla ones do |
| 20:47.00 | jetscreamer | dpkg symlink is also ln -sn target linkname |
| 20:47.01 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 20:47.13 | johndoe | which arch (i386, amd64, ia64...) should i get if i got "Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E4500" ? |
| 20:47.20 | jetscreamer | amd64 |
| 20:47.22 | johndoe | its 64 bit i think |
| 20:47.33 | johndoe | not ia64? i though that was intel |
| 20:47.35 | jetscreamer | it doesn't mean AMD, amd64 is a generic name |
| 20:47.40 | jetscreamer | that's itanium |
| 20:47.41 | johndoe | ahh |
| 20:47.45 | nolimitsoya | jetscreamer, it does mean amd |
| 20:47.49 | johndoe | jetscreamer: it kept confusing me |
| 20:48.00 | nolimitsoya | johndoe, ia is itanium. not related to x86 at all |
| 20:48.06 | johndoe | should i get x86_64 ? |
| 20:48.12 | johndoe | or amd64? |
| 20:48.15 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 20:48.16 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
| 20:48.20 | nolimitsoya | johndoe, x86_64 and amd64 is the same thing |
| 20:48.22 | codingrobot | amd64 == x86_64 ;) |
| 20:48.27 | johndoe | :'( .... |
| 20:48.33 | Samb1 | is it possible to just run firefox or mozilla instead of epiphany ? |
| 20:48.35 | johndoe | max confusion |
| 20:48.51 | jetscreamer | yes samb1 |
| 20:49.05 | codingrobot | Samb1: sure, iceweasel is firefox for debian |
| 20:49.08 | johndoe | thanks everyone |
| 20:49.40 | Samb1 | ok.. but its not using the flash plugin I installed :/ |
| 20:49.44 | Samb1 | or I thoguht I installed |
| 20:49.53 | jetscreamer | Samb1: you might need to do update-alternatives to get iceweasel or iceape (firefox/mozilla) to be the default |
| 20:50.10 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 20:50.20 | codingrobot | ~/.mozilla/plugins is the path where libflash is working |
| 20:50.21 | apt | okay, codingrobot |
| 20:50.32 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 20:50.42 | jetscreamer | !forget /.mozilla/plugins |
| 20:50.42 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i didn't have anything called '/.mozilla/plugins' to forget |
| 20:50.54 | jetscreamer | o |
| 20:50.57 | maligor | johndoe, i386 is short for intel 80386, why should athlon users have to use it, eh? ;) |
| 20:51.02 | jetscreamer | ~ forget /.mozilla/plugins |
| 20:51.10 | jetscreamer | ~forget /.mozilla/plugins |
| 20:51.10 | apt | i forgot /.mozilla/plugins, jetscreamer |
| 20:51.23 | nolimitsoya | johndoe, think of it this way: amd invented the instruction set and called it amd64. intel, being a sore looser, calls it x86_64 as not to give credit to the competitor |
| 20:51.49 | johndoe | nolimitsoya: thanks for the enlightment, didnt know that before |
| 20:51.59 | maligor | nolimitsoya, actually they call it EM64T |
| 20:52.13 | nolimitsoya | maligor, ah, wordsoup |
| 20:52.21 | johndoe | so i should get EM64T? |
| 20:52.27 | Samb1 | where should .mozilla be? |
| 20:52.30 | nolimitsoya | johndoe, they are all the same |
| 20:52.37 | nolimitsoya | johndoe, diffrent name, same thing |
| 20:53.09 | johndoe | why did they have to input such confusion.. |
| 20:53.19 | enouf | johndoe: you are truly at the behest of marketing bozos |
| 20:53.59 | enouf | extended memory 64 tech == em64t - another intel goodie to steal credit from amd :-) |
| 20:54.12 | maligor | and microsoft calls it x64 |
| 20:54.23 | enouf | intel 64 now :-P |
| 20:54.34 | nolimitsoya | enouf, johndoe, intel also calls it intel64 at times since the last two years :) |
| 20:54.39 | maligor | which is ofcourse strange because x86 is clearly bigger than x64 ;) |
| 20:54.42 | nolimitsoya | >.< |
| 20:54.51 | nolimitsoya | a tad slow there, i was |
| 20:54.57 | enouf | or someshit .. they also call their coreduo Yodahs Intel DualCore .. again :-P |
| 20:55.15 | johndoe | hahaha |
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| 20:56.07 | enouf | the funniest part is .. they're all only 36 and 40bit CPUs when you look at if from a VMM perspective |
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| 20:57.10 | Samb1 | hmm the shockwave player is not supported apparently |
| 20:57.10 | enouf | but clearly, 640K should be enough for anybody |
| 20:57.12 | nolimitsoya | enouf, the funniestest part is that had some bozo not given these guys ideas, wed all be sitting here with SPARC instead |
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| 20:57.28 | enouf | !start a cpu war |
| 20:57.28 | dpkg | Here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a 6502 |
| 20:57.29 | nolimitsoya | i would have liked that alternate reality |
| 20:57.33 | enouf | haha |
| 20:57.50 | Samb1 | i have like libflashplayer.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 20:58.19 | Gah | lol |
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| 21:03.35 | jetscreamer | !flash |
| 21:03.36 | dpkg | i guess flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 21:04.20 | enouf | !flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:04.21 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 21:05.18 | jetscreamer | oh yeah |
| 21:05.21 | jetscreamer | that too |
| 21:05.25 | enouf | hrm .. it's a symlink though |
| 21:05.26 | jetscreamer | !konqueror |
| 21:05.27 | enouf | [dpkg] "flashplugin-nonfree" is "<reply> see adobe flash" |
| 21:05.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, konqueror is a great webbrowser, filemanager, viewer et al and is located at http://www.konqueror.org |
| 21:05.49 | sajes | Should I ask questions regarding mutt here if I'm using Debian? |
| 21:05.56 | enouf | so, the orig factoid you posted does indeed mention <adobe flash> |
| 21:05.58 | jetscreamer | you can try |
| 21:06.08 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 21:06.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:06.33 | octoserver | whats the difference between sfdisk and fdisk ? |
| 21:06.44 | jetscreamer | one is for scsi i 'think' |
| 21:06.50 | enouf | hit those man pages |
| 21:07.01 | sajes | Okay then. Mutt is sending my emails as attachments to people. For example, if I send an email that says "Hello" in what should be the body, it sends it as an attachment. |
| 21:07.02 | jetscreamer | and also 'probably' just a wrapper/frontend for fdisk |
| 21:07.03 | enouf | jetscreamer: not really - sdparm vs hdparm, yes |
| 21:07.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:07.10 | jetscreamer | nm then |
| 21:07.25 | jetscreamer | !info sfdisk |
| 21:07.31 | enouf | octoserver: sfdisk is a bit newer - also see cfdisk |
| 21:07.40 | octoserver | i did, and I can see there are a lot of different options, but i was more wondering why they made two that have similar names and are both partition manipulators. |
| 21:08.06 | enouf | octoserver: why are there so many dd versions? and parted versions? and ... |
| 21:08.11 | octoserver | can sfdisk completely replace fdisk I wonder? |
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| 21:08.43 | octoserver | point taken |
| 21:08.44 | octoserver | :) |
| 21:08.51 | enouf | ofcourse it can - there are limitations specific to each, and limitations to all of them |
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| 21:09.35 | enouf | concerning differing types of partition table types (MS-DOS, FreeBSD, GPT, etc etc) |
| 21:09.41 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.49 | enouf | and whatever crap Macs use |
| 21:09.50 | jetscreamer | from the manpage |
| 21:10.19 | sajes | Well isn't this a fine kettle of fish. It shows up fine in my gmail inbox, but when I send an email to someone using outlook express ( I guess I just found the problem..), it sends as an attachment. |
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| 21:11.47 | blubberdiblub | well, the biggest limitation of cfdisk is that it doesn't like when one partition ends after the virtual cylinder, head and sector values multiplied. which can happen when the actual size in blocks is bigger than that virtual value. but you can work around that by throwing a bigger number of cylinders at cfdisk - but then you have to take care not to place any partition into the space that doesn't actually exist |
| 21:12.16 | octoserver | I guess I usually ask because I like the answers you guys give that are based on more experience than I have. And reading the man page(I do read them) doesnt always lend itself to the practical answers that real experience can easily give :) |
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| 21:13.38 | jetscreamer | cfdisk might be more of what you want as an alt to fdisk (not sure though) |
| 21:13.43 | octoserver | for example, I used to use apt-get, till someone here slapped me and told me to use aptitude lol |
| 21:13.44 | blubberdiblub | i often use cfdisk anyways, for its easy user interface |
| 21:13.45 | enouf | octoserver: i like the usage of sfdisk for it's -d option .. and the format and editabilty of the file it produces - and would likely choose it over fdisk and cfdisk if scripting a partition layout for preseeding |
| 21:13.54 | jetscreamer | yeah me too |
| 21:14.07 | jetscreamer | cfdisk that is |
| 21:14.18 | enouf | octoserver: cfdisk tries to present an msdos style interface to the user |
| 21:14.26 | blubberdiblub | when i don't use cfdisk, i use sfdisk |
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| 21:14.29 | octoserver | yeah, you can copy partition table from one drive to another right ? |
| 21:14.39 | jetscreamer | dd it |
| 21:14.42 | enouf | octoserver: msdos 'fdisk style' that is |
| 21:15.06 | jetscreamer | fdisk is my secondary choice.. i like the partiton renumbering thing |
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| 21:15.37 | jetscreamer | windows can make messes |
| 21:15.47 | blubberdiblub | and my third option is lde ;) it's true, but don't take it too seriosly ;) |
| 21:16.03 | blubberdiblub | +u |
| 21:16.05 | jetscreamer | likes low level stuff |
| 21:16.36 | enouf | mine would be parted, and for just output? blkdev, blkid, and lshal - heck cat /proc/partitions :-P |
| 21:17.00 | jetscreamer | if you just want to clone a partition, dd it |
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| 21:17.26 | octoserver | has anyone ever changed the number of cylinders and heads on a drive(flash drive specifically) using fdisk, to represent a normal hard drive. But for some reason they get set back to something like 124 heads 2 sectors ? |
| 21:17.37 | jetscreamer | has about 10GB left to dd |
| 21:17.52 | jetscreamer | out of ~75+/- |
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| 21:18.27 | jetscreamer | some reason? |
| 21:18.50 | octoserver | most of my hard drives are 255 heads, 63 cylinders, and untill I partitioned my flash drive it was that way too, but i cant get it back to that |
| 21:19.07 | jetscreamer | aren't cylinders physical also? |
| 21:19.11 | octoserver | i dont think it really matters from what I can tell |
| 21:19.24 | octoserver | well, its a flash drive though |
| 21:19.40 | octoserver | im sorry, i meant 63 sectors |
| 21:19.50 | jetscreamer | has stacks of old hd's so never tried |
| 21:20.00 | jetscreamer | never 'had' to try |
| 21:20.08 | jetscreamer | old old old |
| 21:20.14 | jetscreamer | 4-20g's |
| 21:20.19 | blubberdiblub | octoserver, linux doesn't care too much about the cylinder head sector representation. some partitioning tools may do (like cfdisk), and some windows parts do (the boot loader of XP for instance) |
| 21:20.26 | octoserver | yea, I just noticed it changed when I formated it and tryed to set it back |
| 21:20.57 | jetscreamer | i have hd's older than my car |
| 21:20.59 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 21:21.05 | octoserver | ill have to read up more on heads and sectors so I have something else I can forget later lol |
| 21:23.16 | octoserver | enouf: if i do sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb , sda and sdb must be the same sie drives right? |
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| 21:23.29 | octoserver | size* |
| 21:23.37 | enouf | octoserver: that's my understanding, yes |
| 21:24.18 | octoserver | k |
| 21:24.19 | blubberdiblub | if sdb is bigger, that should also work |
| 21:25.07 | octoserver | right, im going to copy my raid from bigger drives to 2 smaller drives, so ill just have to partition them one at a time :) |
| 21:25.28 | enouf | however sometimes, if they are close (erring on the larger size), even a simple fsck or resize2fs might fix it .. or you might need to also rerun a partitioning tool to correct it |
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| 21:26.41 | enouf | octoserver: note that mdadm needs/uses approx 1MB space for info/metadata for it's arrays, AFAIK, so if anything, try to leave an extra MB of free space |
| 21:27.45 | Guerin | if you're ever getting down to single megabytes in 2008, you need to rethink your entire storage strategy |
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| 21:30.07 | octoserver | ill be setting up the raid on the other drives and making the file systems after that and then copying it over and trying to boot from the other set of drives lol |
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| 21:30.36 | octoserver | ive done the setting up mirrors on a running sys for deb thing before but forgot a lot |
| 21:30.47 | enouf | Guerin: issues arise moreso from users thinking they can simply recreate their RAID on other disks, using exact byte counts for partition sizes and such .. but yeah, i would setup disks separately 1st, then rsync, or tar.gz the data over .. done |
| 21:30.52 | octoserver | ill just look back at it again and see if i can break stuff |
| 21:31.14 | Linus` | Hello, i've (well, my gf have..) accidentaly typed rm -rf / from a user account, i lost a lot of data on a raid mirror ntfs disk mounted on /storage. Testdisk ntfs undelete doesn't seem to work since testdisk itself is unable to understand which kind of partition is there on the two raid drives (it says it has 3 partition of random oses like OS/2 and Netware..). How do i recover my files? :< |
| 21:31.24 | haxi | any idea of when amarok2 will be avaible on lenny? |
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| 21:31.58 | octoserver | i was going to cp -dpRx it over to the new drives |
| 21:32.21 | enouf | that == -ax |
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| 21:33.15 | Samb1 | is there a guide anywhere on getting flash player to work? |
| 21:33.30 | Samb1 | you'd think it'd be a simple install |
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| 21:33.34 | abrotman | !adobe flash |
| 21:33.35 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 21:33.40 | enouf | Linus`: i can only recommend maybe to try INSERT .. or if none of these http://www.guzu.net/linux/datarecovery.php do it, you might want a slight payfor service (see runtime.org) |
| 21:33.47 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 21:33.51 | octoserver | enouf: so it is :) thanks, says so in the help too |
| 21:34.08 | jetscreamer | Samb1: /lastlog flash for spam :) |
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| 21:34.21 | jetscreamer | !flash |
| 21:34.21 | dpkg | somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 21:34.55 | jetscreamer | !flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:34.55 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 21:35.26 | octoserver | "-x stay on this file system " <-- what do they mean by that? |
| 21:37.25 | MoRLoCh | octoserver: that if you do a recursive copy of a directory containing a mount point, cp will copy only rhe main volume and not descend into the mount point |
| 21:37.26 | blubberdiblub | octoserver, say you cp /, and /var is mounted from a different partition, then it copies all from /, but not from /var, since that is on a "different filesystem" |
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| 21:37.46 | Assid | hi |
| 21:37.48 | octoserver | ahhhh ok |
| 21:37.52 | octoserver | neat |
| 21:37.54 | Assid | i need some help with lenny + software raid |
| 21:37.56 | Assid | http://www.imagepaste.com/img/8b4698b23db2603b289bf9ea6b5a5770.jpeg |
| 21:38.05 | octoserver | linux rocks lol |
| 21:38.14 | Assid | whats suppposed to be bootable the raid or the /boot inside the raid ? |
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| 21:38.52 | blubberdiblub | octoserver, and it also helps you preventing copying /proc /sys and somesuch for the same reason ;) |
| 21:38.56 | Linus` | enouf: which tool of INSERT? |
| 21:39.10 | enouf | octoserver: now man tar, and see the --one-file-system option :-P |
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| 21:39.28 | enouf | Linus`: the cd, the distro - read the docs man |
| 21:40.01 | octoserver | k, will do :) |
| 21:40.07 | jetscreamer | is now dd'ing the 80G .iso to the new hd |
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| 21:40.21 | jetscreamer | ok ~75+/- |
| 21:40.27 | blubberdiblub | yeah, tar might be a better option anyways, since it can consider hardlinks for efficiency, if i'm not mistaken |
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| 21:41.18 | enouf | jetscreamer: you did use bs=4M yes? |
| 21:41.19 | jetscreamer | what i like to do is boot a livecd then dd the partition... you have to get fancy doing it from the mounted / |
| 21:41.29 | enouf | jetscreamer: much faster when you use that ;-) |
| 21:41.33 | jetscreamer | no i don't use that directive i know nothing |
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| 21:41.41 | enouf | heh |
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| 21:41.48 | enouf | !schultz! |
| 21:41.53 | bolt | right after booting the kernel, the etchnhalf installer changes to a resolution that is not compatible with my tv (installing with svideo screen). how can i stop it from doing this? |
| 21:42.10 | jetscreamer | i know nothing... noth-ING |
| 21:42.10 | bolt | i see the picture just fine when the boot menu comes up and i select install |
| 21:42.40 | jetscreamer | bolt: vga=normal is what you want |
| 21:42.45 | jetscreamer | how to set it, not sure |
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| 21:42.52 | sebbs | how do i find old packages? |
| 21:42.55 | jetscreamer | how to set it at boot prompt i mean |
| 21:43.04 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 21:43.04 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 21:43.20 | enouf | or sdn, or ado |
| 21:43.22 | sebbs | old pkg too? |
| 21:43.25 | jetscreamer | but there's another.. ah ado |
| 21:43.40 | jetscreamer | you can go back to a testing or stable version on pdo |
| 21:43.46 | sebbs | cool |
| 21:43.51 | sebbs | thanks :) |
| 21:44.03 | jetscreamer | but all the old ones aren't there, just the recent ones iirc |
| 21:44.05 | jetscreamer | !ado |
| 21:44.05 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 21:44.18 | jetscreamer | recent old ones i mean |
| 21:44.27 | bolt | jetscreamer: vga=normal is already set by default |
| 21:44.35 | bolt | it still changes resolution |
| 21:44.45 | sebbs | nice, i used to google for old mirrors looking for exact versions but this time i dont know the version name (gitdate) |
| 21:45.56 | jetscreamer | bolt: not sure, but it's that, a framebuffer module is getting loaded, and changing rez, or you are using the gui, in which case you want to pass x&h (refresh?) values.. google knoppix cheat codes (work for debian) or just use the text installer |
| 21:46.14 | enouf | bolt: are you saying the kernel printk messages (dmesg style) when booting is the wrong resolution, but once it reaches the installer boot: prompt, all is well again? |
| 21:46.44 | jetscreamer | oh if it has a boot: prompt then you enter the additional values there |
| 21:47.05 | enouf | yeah, stop using install{gui} - just use install, or expert, or rescue ;-) |
| 21:47.11 | bolt | enouf: i see the boot menu, select install, then see the messages after it like "booting kernel", then the screen goes berserk when the first installer question appears |
| 21:47.26 | jetscreamer | gui is draggy as ehll on my 6600 |
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| 21:47.27 | enouf | oh .. ok |
| 21:47.33 | jetscreamer | gf6600 |
| 21:47.40 | jetscreamer | i never use it |
| 21:47.46 | enouf | bolt: try installgui ;-) |
| 21:47.58 | bolt | hm.. did vga=769 |
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| 21:48.00 | bolt | that worked :) |
| 21:48.07 | enouf | 791 is much better |
| 21:48.25 | jetscreamer | 0x0318 baybee |
| 21:48.39 | enouf | !hexsmite jetscreamer |
| 21:48.43 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:48.51 | bolt | i don't mind. it's just for the install |
| 21:49.10 | bolt | the 12" display handles a whooping 1024x768. i'll get it to that later |
| 21:49.12 | bolt | :) |
| 21:49.27 | enouf | sure .. and we know your TV resolution through a usb dot matrix printer cable :-p |
| 21:49.55 | Linus` | When you have 2 disks in raid 1(mirror) with mdadm can you just use one of those mounting it "single"; liek it was a normal disk? |
| 21:50.00 | jetscreamer | wonders if xorg will work w/o editing xorg.conf on just a tv |
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| 21:50.00 | blubberdiblub | usb dot matrix printer cable? how much do you want for that? ;) |
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| 21:50.23 | bolt | the optimal resolution has little to do with it though. 769 just sets it to 640x480 which happens to work |
| 21:50.25 | abrotman | looks at brot|eee |
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| 21:50.42 | enouf | Lifeform: if you set them up properly - sure, you would do that in case of failure and you needed to rescue, but there's an even easier way |
| 21:50.58 | jetscreamer | the tv does not come on by default here, but it's the secondary display |
| 21:50.59 | enouf | er Linus` not Lifeform - my bad tab Lifeform |
| 21:51.32 | enouf | jetscreamer: it should - note xrandr if you have issues |
| 21:51.48 | Linus` | well, testdisk doesn't seem to recognize them single so i guess i didn't set up things properly (i used default settings with mdadm) |
| 21:51.53 | Linus` | but what is the easier way? |
| 21:51.59 | jetscreamer | my issue was only that i don't know how to turn on tv-out with an ati |
| 21:52.10 | bolt | i only have the tv. i put a 12 inch lcd tv and a small itx board inside a macintosh classic ii :) |
| 21:52.10 | jetscreamer | xrandr eh? |
| 21:52.27 | enouf | Linus`: use the mdadm command to mark the bad disk as -fail and -remove, then replace it with a new disk |
| 21:52.49 | Samb1 | ok... so I've got four browsers... only two of which I can actually open and all of which are some kind of mozilla and none of which can run falsh stuff, despite putting the libflashthing.so in every plugins directory I can find |
| 21:53.08 | enouf | !tell jetscreamer about dual monitors |
| 21:53.10 | Linus` | allright, that's not what i want to do, i just wanted to have my partition set up as it was a normal one |
| 21:53.15 | jetscreamer | Samb1: did you install flashplayer-nonfree? |
| 21:53.16 | enouf | much info there jet |
| 21:53.19 | Linus` | in order to be able to recover files with testdisk/another tool |
| 21:53.24 | Linus` | don't want to rebuild the array |
| 21:53.36 | lfaraone | Hi, a friend of mine (I'm not near the machine) is getting a "Waiting for Xserver to shut down error setting MTRR (base=0xd0000000, size=....) Invalide argument (22)" error when they try to startx. How should they solve it? |
| 21:53.46 | Samb1 | erhm |
| 21:54.11 | Samb1 | I unzipped and tried to install it but it said that this wasn't an appropriate directory |
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| 21:54.32 | enouf | Linus`: well - there are some other options you might try - read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* (use zless, or use any browser able to view .gz, or just gunzip the files) |
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| 21:55.01 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 21:55.02 | enouf | Linus`: wait - you said mdadm and you also mentioned NTFS earlier? |
| 21:55.07 | Linus` | err. yes. |
| 21:55.10 | enouf | trollin trollin trollin |
| 21:55.14 | enouf | nailed! |
| 21:55.18 | Linus` | why? i'm not joking lol |
| 21:55.25 | jetscreamer | Samb1: aptitude install flashplayer-nonfree (iirc that's the package name) |
| 21:55.42 | Linus` | is it that dumb to use ntfs for my 2 raid disks' |
| 21:56.02 | Linus` | i just tought that if i needed to rescue i perhaps could have attached one of them into windows and it would have been ok |
| 21:56.06 | jetscreamer | is it a windows box? |
| 21:56.10 | Linus` | no! |
| 21:56.13 | Linus` | debian box |
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| 21:56.45 | jetscreamer | i think writing to ntfs is a larger cpu overhead |
| 21:56.52 | jetscreamer | in debian |
| 21:56.58 | jetscreamer | than say jfs or whatever |
| 21:57.25 | enouf | Assid: what about this? http://www.imagepaste.com/img/8b4698b23db2603b289bf9ea6b5a5770.jpeg |
| 21:57.35 | Samb1 | hmm not apt-get ? |
| 21:57.35 | Linus` | well the fact is that is just a file server |
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| 21:57.44 | jetscreamer | apt-get works |
| 21:57.45 | Linus` | with a 2ghz cpu doing nothing but holding files |
| 21:57.48 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 21:57.48 | dpkg | well, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 21:58.26 | jelly-home | Linus`: if you don't care about file ownership / permissions, why not |
| 21:58.27 | Samb1 | i've got the synaptic package manager |
| 21:58.33 | jetscreamer | that works too |
| 21:58.34 | ioudas | i tried to install kde on 4.0 etch but it wont start kde just normally starts gnome can anyone point me in the right direction google couldnt help me |
| 21:58.38 | jetscreamer | whatever works for you |
| 21:58.45 | jelly-home | Linus`: ntfs-3g seems to be good enough |
| 21:58.50 | Linus` | i'm using ntfs-3g |
| 21:58.54 | Samb1 | ok.. but the only package to do with flash I could get with that was the swf-player |
| 21:58.58 | Linus` | i'll explain my problem again |
| 21:59.30 | Linus` | I have this mdadm raid 1 array, formatted in ntfs, that was rm -rf /ed last night. I want to recover the files. |
| 21:59.37 | Samb1 | do I need an extra line for my repositories? |
| 21:59.39 | Assid | enouf: nvm alreay passed that |
| 21:59.41 | jetscreamer | ioudas: use gdm, hit the sessions button, or man .Xauthority iirc, or .xinitrc |
| 21:59.44 | Samb1 | to get that package? |
| 21:59.51 | jetscreamer | no you don't Samb1 |
| 21:59.57 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 22:00.04 | Linus` | Testdisk doesn't recognize partitions on /dev/sda or /dev/sdb (the 2 disks forming the array). |
| 22:00.05 | ioudas | sessions button ? |
| 22:00.06 | jetscreamer | !tell Samb1 -about non-free |
| 22:00.12 | ioudas | keeps looking |
| 22:00.15 | jetscreamer | in the gdm login window, ioudas |
| 22:00.21 | jelly-home | Linus`: oh, you still have neither bought a disk nor degraded the array? |
| 22:00.26 | blubberdiblub | Linus`, why not just recover on the raid device? |
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| 22:00.37 | jetscreamer | ntfs-36 is definitely a much larger cpu overhead |
| 22:00.41 | jetscreamer | err -3g |
| 22:00.53 | enouf | !fuse |
| 22:00.53 | dpkg | i guess fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, Samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in Debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
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| 22:00.57 | jetscreamer | maybe your cpu can afford it.. i can tell on mine |
| 22:01.09 | Linus` | jelly-home: i've foudn enough space on another hd to recover the fiels |
| 22:01.15 | jetscreamer | it's like 30% cpu usage here |
| 22:01.23 | Linus` | but the tool i've been thinking i could ahve used doesn't run on linux or on bootable iso |
| 22:01.33 | jetscreamer | i love ntfs-3g don't get me wrong |
| 22:01.47 | Linus` | blubberdiblub: hmm, explain. the array is ok, just the files were deleted |
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| 22:02.10 | Samb1 | ok how do i ask dpkg stuff? |
| 22:02.14 | Samb1 | !dpkg |
| 22:02.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 22:02.25 | Samb1 | !dpkg help |
| 22:02.30 | blubberdiblub | Linus`, yeah, i figured that. i meant not using /dev/sda or /dev/sdb for recovering, but /dev/md0 instead or how ever md does call its devices |
| 22:02.35 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg help |
| 22:02.45 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg whatever |
| 22:02.54 | enouf | Linus`: then i completely misunderstood, you'd need some sort of NTFS filesystem recovery tools ... (as i originally mentioned, i think) |
| 22:03.08 | Linus` | allright, fact is i can't find one :( |
| 22:03.09 | jelly-home | Linus`: you used whole disk as members of md device instead of partitions? |
| 22:03.48 | Linus` | blubberdiblubu: yeah but *how*? testdisk for example can't see /dev/md0 |
| 22:03.51 | jetscreamer | !tell Samb1 -about search |
| 22:03.56 | enouf | Linus`: i thought you either meant a) one disk died b) that you were using ntfs on windows with mdadm (troll) or c) you were confusing mdadm (soft) and dmraid (fake) |
| 22:04.37 | Linus` | d) i just issued rm -rf / but the array and the ntfs filesystem on it is still sane |
| 22:04.40 | Linus` | :< |
| 22:04.48 | blubberdiblub | Linus`, try photorec instead of testdisk. don't let yourself be confused by the name |
| 22:04.50 | Linus` | jelly: uhm i'm sorry, didn't understand |
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| 22:04.59 | Guerin | testdisk is the package |
| 22:05.04 | Guerin | photorec is the utility |
| 22:05.08 | jelly-home | Linus`: pastebin /proc/mdstat |
| 22:05.09 | enouf | Linus`: you should have no issues booting into the array - from any recent and decent LiveCd that has the appropriate modules . |
| 22:05.26 | Linus` | yes.. i can use the array |
| 22:05.40 | Assid | if during installation its retrieving filesand it fails.. does it automatically retry |
| 22:05.42 | Linus` | but i don't know any tool that can recover ntfs data from arrays |
| 22:05.46 | Linus` | i'll try photorec now |
| 22:05.50 | Linus` | brb |
| 22:05.56 | blubberdiblub | Linus`, Guerin, actually there are 2 utilities in the package, testdisk and photorec. photorec is the file recovery part, and testdisk the partition guessing part, if i'm not mistaken |
| 22:06.05 | Linus` | you're right |
| 22:06.10 | Linus` | i just used them both |
| 22:06.27 | Linus` | photorec uses signatures to find images, mp3s, docs etc |
| 22:06.34 | Assid | i think using netinst was a bad move here |
| 22:06.37 | enouf | wow - he can read! |
| 22:06.38 | Linus` | testdisk recovers mainly partitions |
| 22:06.41 | Assid | its stuck while retrieving |
| 22:06.50 | Linus` | enouf? :o |
| 22:07.01 | Assid | stuck at retrieving 7/33 |
| 22:07.03 | jetscreamer | anybody know if you can set a particular partition as hpa or just set a point that everything after is hpa |
| 22:07.13 | twobitsprite | hpa? |
| 22:07.19 | jetscreamer | anybody know if you can set a particular partition as hpa or 'can you only' just set a point that everything after is hpa |
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| 22:07.27 | jelly-home | Linus`: also pastebin the output of "blkid" |
| 22:07.43 | jetscreamer | host protected area iirc |
| 22:07.45 | jetscreamer | !hpa |
| 22:07.46 | dpkg | HPA is defined as a reserved area for data storage outside the normal operating file system. This area is hidden from the operating system and the file system, and is normally used for specialized applications. Systems may wish to store configuration data or to save memory to the hard disk drive device in a location that the operating systems cannot change. http://www.sleuthkit.org, or http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/setmax.c |
| 22:07.58 | enouf | jetscreamer: still!? |
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| 22:08.05 | enouf | grah!@ |
| 22:08.07 | jetscreamer | enouf: no problems |
| 22:08.12 | jetscreamer | just working |
| 22:08.14 | Linus` | jelly: ok, give me a couple of minuts |
| 22:08.20 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 22:08.30 | jetscreamer | enouf: removing the hpa area no problem |
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| 22:08.37 | jetscreamer | defining one is the new thing |
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| 22:08.52 | jelly-home | Linus`: the machine is offline? |
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| 22:09.04 | enouf | hrm ... but why? it's needed? if so, why did you remove the original one? :-P |
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| 22:11.09 | Assid | okay netinst fail :( |
| 22:11.28 | Assid | it just stoped downloading |
| 22:11.44 | enouf | bad net connection? |
| 22:11.55 | Assid | its a server.. probably the mirror |
| 22:12.00 | Assid | server in a DC |
| 22:12.21 | enouf | apt-cdrom to the rescue? :-) |
| 22:12.34 | Assid | how.. the installer was stuck |
| 22:12.40 | enouf | er.. oh .. it's all remote? .. wait |
| 22:12.51 | enouf | then how did you netinstall :-P |
| 22:13.11 | Assid | ipmi .. something similar to a drac card. gives me console/kvm access |
| 22:13.53 | Linus` | jelly: correct |
| 22:14.22 | Linus` | photorec seem to find a lot of tiles, but it's saying it will take him 250+ hours to scan the whole disk |
| 22:14.27 | Linus` | (it's a 1tb hd) |
| 22:15.10 | jetscreamer | !factinfo hpa |
| 22:15.10 | dpkg | hpa -- last modified 23s ago by jetscreamer!n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer; it has been requested 2 times, last by jetscreamer, 7m 25s ago. |
| 22:15.13 | stoned | hey |
| 22:15.15 | stoned | whats up |
| 22:15.25 | jetscreamer | hey nyle |
| 22:15.35 | blubberdiblub | Linus`, at least it works now :) i hope you have enough space on a different partition to hold the recovered files |
| 22:16.07 | jetscreamer | work |
| 22:16.13 | stoned | now |
| 22:16.17 | stoned | for some time |
| 22:16.17 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 22:16.24 | stoned | check msg |
| 22:16.27 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 22:16.36 | stoned | and I need help with something programming related |
| 22:16.38 | stoned | :/ |
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| 22:19.10 | Circuitsoft | Hello. |
| 22:19.23 | Circuitsoft | Question concerning x.org video output on Lenny/x86 |
| 22:19.26 | Circuitsoft | Is this the proper forum? |
| 22:20.14 | Linus` | blubberdiblub: i do but.. hmm.. file names are lost, aren't thy? |
| 22:20.27 | blubberdiblub | Linus`, yes |
| 22:20.33 | twobitsprite | Circuitsoft: just ask your question :) |
| 22:20.40 | Circuitsoft | twobitsprite: Sorry. |
| 22:20.40 | Linus` | jelly-home: so, blkid said i have some partitions such as /dev/sda formatted NTFS |
| 22:20.44 | Linus` | but not dev/sdb |
| 22:20.49 | Circuitsoft | I am only getting video output via hdmi with the vesa driver |
| 22:20.58 | Circuitsoft | I've tried radeon, radeonhd, and fglrx. |
| 22:20.58 | Linus` | and well proc/mdstat just said the array is healty |
| 22:21.00 | Linus` | +h |
| 22:21.05 | Circuitsoft | Hardware is onboard HD3200+ |
| 22:21.37 | Circuitsoft | And vesa does not offer the proper resolution for my TV. |
| 22:21.40 | Linus` | blubberdiblub: some of my files (such as mp3s) have tag info, do you think i'll be able to set them a file name automatically based on tags? |
| 22:22.05 | blubberdiblub | Linus`, sure, with appropriate tools |
| 22:22.27 | Circuitsoft | Linus`, easytag is very nice. |
| 22:23.06 | Circuitsoft | Unfortunately, it's only in sid. |
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| 22:24.01 | blubberdiblub | mp3rename is also in etch and lenny |
| 22:24.42 | Linus` | nice to know, hope they can also recognize if a file *is* a mp3 since photorec seems to recover every file in .txt form |
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| 22:25.52 | blubberdiblub | files that are no mp3s normally don't have id3 tags, so it should be easy for them to tell the files apart |
| 22:26.10 | ErZo | Hiya! My iceweasel is crashing, and it's just recently.. I strace'd it and it seems it has problems finding libraries and shared objects.. I havn't removed any packages lately.. |
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| 22:26.19 | Circuitsoft | Linus`: for a in *; do file $a | fgrep MP3 && mv $a $a.mp3; done |
| 22:26.21 | jetscreamer | !metasploit |
| 22:26.44 | jetscreamer | dpkg metasploit is <reply> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasploit |
| 22:26.44 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 22:27.17 | jetscreamer | ErZo: try mv'ing ~/.mozilla |
| 22:27.17 | Linus` | ok, thank you all again |
| 22:27.32 | ErZo | jetscreamer: that's not it though, and I've tried that so I wouldn't bother you guys with it :P |
| 22:27.35 | Linus` | let's see if photorec really will take those 500hours it's talking about..lol |
| 22:27.47 | jetscreamer | o :/ |
| 22:28.23 | jetscreamer | well you 'could' try --purging it then reinstalling it but that's not elegant |
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| 22:28.37 | jetscreamer | probably quicker |
| 22:28.43 | ErZo | jetscreamer: It's getting "FILE NOT FOUND" on a lot of shared libraries, like gnutls and more |
| 22:29.05 | ErZo | I've upgraded something in the latest week possibly, but I havn't removed stuff, unless the upgrades did. |
| 22:29.08 | Circuitsoft | ErZo any improper shutdowns recently? |
| 22:29.13 | Circuitsoft | FS corruption? |
| 22:29.24 | twobitsprite | ErZo: have you upgraded iceweasel recently? |
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| 22:29.47 | ErZo | twobitsprite: I don't think so, not recently. I've upgraded, sure. But i've used it successfully for a week or three |
| 22:29.49 | twobitsprite | ErZo: also, are you mixing distros? |
| 22:29.54 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 22:29.54 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 22:30.09 | jetscreamer | that fixes anything fixable by automation |
| 22:30.09 | ErZo | twobitsprite: nope, running unstable only! |
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| 22:30.21 | twobitsprite | ErZo: that's a problem in itself |
| 22:30.22 | ErZo | jetscreamer: ah, I'll try that then! |
| 22:30.27 | jetscreamer | iceweasel works fine here in sid |
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| 22:30.35 | ErZo | Yeah, it's been working fine for me too |
| 22:30.39 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: are all of your packages from sid? |
| 22:30.46 | ErZo | it's Seg Faulting because it can't find .so's |
| 22:30.48 | jetscreamer | i've been liking konqueror latey though |
| 22:31.03 | jetscreamer | twobitsprite: a few testings, but not many |
| 22:31.27 | jetscreamer | some things just don't work in sid sometimes |
| 22:31.36 | jhambo | my wireless seems to periodically disconnect and after disconnecting it takes several tries to get it to reconnect. In my dmesg I see http://paste.debian.net/23624/. thoughts? |
| 22:31.39 | jetscreamer | and some upgrades, i don't like |
| 22:31.42 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: also, just because it works on your box doesn't mean it will on everyone else's... he could have installed a different package which has dependancy problems and replaced a lib or something |
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| 22:32.21 | jetscreamer | i don't care for ff3 |
| 22:32.22 | twobitsprite | personally, I think running full sid is just dumb |
| 22:32.23 | ErZo | twobitsprite: but it *has* been working.. it isn't broken by default |
| 22:32.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Circuitsoft, you could still try the 'ati' driver... also, /msg dpkg radeon, if you haven't looked at the 3 factoids yet (although they don't contain much that you don't know, I guess) |
| 22:32.24 | jetscreamer | 2 was ok |
| 22:32.42 | jetscreamer | i've been running sid since woody |
| 22:32.45 | jetscreamer | works fine |
| 22:32.46 | twobitsprite | ErZo: well... those .so's didn't delete themselves :P |
| 22:33.07 | jetscreamer | it's the upgrades that can kill you |
| 22:33.11 | ErZo | twobitsprite: yeah.. I know :/ I must've forgotten some package removal.. |
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| 22:33.33 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: well, of course... if you upgrade, things break, and then you fix them... of course it'll work fine until you upgrade again |
| 22:33.49 | jetscreamer | the secret is knowing when to not upgrade |
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| 22:34.33 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: the time to upgrade is when its in testing after dependancy problems have been resolved :) |
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| 22:35.05 | jetscreamer | i haven't had any problems lately |
| 22:35.08 | ErZo | twobitsprite: well, things take forever and a year to hit stable or testing |
| 22:35.18 | jetscreamer | lately being a year or so... but i used to |
| 22:35.18 | ErZo | twobitsprite: and things usually work quite well in sid/unstable |
| 22:35.23 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 22:35.39 | twobitsprite | ErZo: not testing usually... right now maybe, because its frozen... that's why you run a mostly testing + some sid mixed system |
| 22:35.44 | ErZo | is there any dependency checking tools around? |
| 22:36.25 | ErZo | Like the 'revdep-rebuild' tool that's around from Gentoo (don't pick up your hayforks) |
| 22:36.32 | jetscreamer | try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:36.43 | ErZo | hm, heh |
| 22:36.46 | jetscreamer | or aptitude rather |
| 22:37.05 | ErZo | nothing new |
| 22:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, but if nobody runs "full sid" everything comes into testing without any... well, testing :) |
| 22:37.20 | ErZo | someone gotta have sum balls, eh |
| 22:37.36 | jetscreamer | that reminds me i need to lart the /dev/sda->/dev/hda guy |
| 22:37.58 | jetscreamer | make that that reminds me i need to lart the /dev/hda->/dev/sda->/dev/hda guy |
| 22:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, or all the guys running testing do indeed run unstable :) |
| 22:39.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, there's probably a lot of people mixing sid into testing... if there's enough of them, that probably also gets 80% or so of the unstable packages tested |
| 22:39.40 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.41 | twobitsprite | CutMeOwnThroat: not true... the developers pull packages from sid to test them |
| 22:39.48 | jetscreamer | ^ i |
| 22:39.57 | twobitsprite | CutMeOwnThroat: but "testing" is for general, wider review testing |
| 22:39.59 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 22:40.06 | jetscreamer | you think devs have all hw? |
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| 22:40.10 | jetscreamer | all the hw |
| 22:40.22 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: no... that's what Testing is for :) |
| 22:40.32 | jetscreamer | yeah ok |
| 22:40.42 | ErZo | I don't know what I did that fixed the issues, but it works now anyhow |
| 22:40.46 | twobitsprite | Sid for making sure dependancies/etc are mostly resolved without conflicts |
| 22:40.50 | jetscreamer | it was me! |
| 22:40.55 | ErZo | shotgun debugging for the win |
| 22:40.59 | ErZo | sure as hell wasn't |
| 22:41.01 | ErZo | sorry jetscreamer ;) |
| 22:41.02 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 22:41.13 | jetscreamer | i used all my mental powers |
| 22:41.22 | ErZo | ah, heh - thanks ;) |
| 22:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be good to have some semi-stable after testing... everything that would fulfill requirements for stable could go there... might be a bit difficult in details, though |
| 22:41.48 | jetscreamer | do you have /usr on a seperate partition? |
| 22:42.01 | jetscreamer | separate |
| 22:42.12 | twobitsprite | CutMeOwnThroat: like a rolling stable? I've often thought that |
| 22:42.36 | jetscreamer | testing seems semi stable to me ... (aka boring) |
| 22:42.46 | jetscreamer | once you go sid you can never go back |
| 22:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, kind of... that would also get release times down |
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| 22:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer, no, because you installed a broken apt from sid and package managment is a thing of the past :) |
| 22:43.25 | ErZo | It'd be nice with some more releasing relaly |
| 22:43.32 | Samb1 | hmm kay that flasplugin-nonfree package tries to install flash player 9, so the url gives a 404 when it tries to install as version 10 is the current one |
| 22:43.39 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 22:43.50 | Samb1 | trying to find out how to change that |
| 22:44.20 | jetscreamer | how can you get dd to give you a progress bar, or something? |
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| 22:45.50 | blubberdiblub | jetscreamer, you could fire a SIGUSR1 at it, it's not a progress bar, but it's as close as it gets |
| 22:46.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, basically, if 20-100 people installed the package per architecture and it works for them, one could assume it's mostly bug-free |
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| 22:47.43 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 22:48.43 | blubberdiblub | jetscreamer, or just use ddrescue instead, then you have real time reporting of amount transferred :) |
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| 22:49.39 | blubberdiblub | although be aware that it has a completely different command line syntax |
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| 22:51.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | apropos bugs... I added some solution to a reported bug... uh, 6 month ago, but there was no reaction whatsoever - does that mean the maintainer has become inactive and the package is essentially orphaned? |
| 22:51.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, make that 4 month |
| 22:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | months* |
| 22:52.21 | ErZo | I'd guess he/she/it is busy/is inactive |
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| 22:53.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but what happens in this case... should I send hitmen to his home? |
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| 23:00.01 | badcloud | having some display configuration trouble on a thinkpad r31 |
| 23:00.27 | badcloud | netinst didn't install /etc/lilo.conf |
| 23:00.39 | badcloud | which makes sense because it used Grub instead |
| 23:00.52 | badcloud | where can I tweak the display resolution? |
| 23:02.30 | Sweetandy | I don't want to do anything nasty, so... the man file for umount says that 'umount [dir] | [device] is a decent umount method... do I include the pipe? |
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| 23:05.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sweetandy, it's a logical or, not a pipe |
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| 23:06.26 | Sweetandy | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks! |
| 23:06.37 | Sweetandy | Thought those were double. |
| 23:06.38 | Sweetandy | ah well |
| 23:06.45 | Sweetandy | Guess I need to learn how to read man pages |
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| 23:09.04 | rafuch0 | hey i have an really offtopic question but cant find info about this ... What is the cajun style ? i search in google nad says a lot stuff about cooking and stuff but i think that it depends on the context or something... do you guys know what it is cajun style? |
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| 23:09.28 | jpinx | rafuch0: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:09.40 | rafuch0 | :( |
| 23:10.08 | abrotman | rafuch0: it's a channel for offtopic chatter .. go there |
| 23:10.34 | nullboy | yeah and this was *really* difficult to find http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cajun_cuisine |
| 23:10.36 | nullboy | .... |
| 23:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 23:10.52 | rafuch0 | no but is not about the coussine |
| 23:11.04 | rafuch0 | is something else ... |
| 23:11.11 | rafuch0 | anyway,,, |
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| 23:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's an aunt |
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| 23:19.36 | cr3 | if I have a bunch of version in the format 0.1-foo0.1, how can I sort that list numerically considering I might have 0.1-foo0.13, 0.2-foo0.2, etc. |
| 23:20.03 | cr3 | err, in shell, because this is for the purpose of debian/postinst |
| 23:20.18 | thechef | How far is OpenSSL optimized? Does it automatically use optimized routines if appropriate hardware is found? |
| 23:20.24 | thechef | in debian etch |
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| 23:22.17 | badcloud | can ping but am getting apt-get errors:package xserver-xorg has no installation candidate...? |
| 23:22.47 | badcloud | apt-get update works fine |
| 23:23.16 | unop | !info xserver-xorg |
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| 23:23.46 | badcloud | in terminal? |
| 23:23.51 | badcloud | doesn't do anything |
| 23:23.57 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.3+18 (sid), Packaged size: 218 kB, Installed size: 784 kB |
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| 23:24.28 | JuanTelez | hi all! I'm trying to burn a lenny's netinstall image to a booteable usb flash, |
| 23:24.55 | badcloud | unop, ? |
| 23:24.56 | JuanTelez | i'm following thisi instructions --> http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible [+] |
| 23:25.05 | unop | badcloud, what does apt-cache policy xserver-xorg give you? |
| 23:25.30 | JuanTelez | but I'm on FreeBSD and don't get some commands, ie syslinux |
| 23:25.36 | badcloud | installed none, candidate none, version table is empty |
| 23:25.46 | JuanTelez | where can I read how to make it different? |
| 23:26.12 | unop | badcloud, that could mean you don't have the 'main' repository enabled |
| 23:26.25 | unop | badcloud, have a look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:26.56 | badcloud | got two lines |
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| 23:28.12 | unop | badcloud, you should have one like this. deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:28.37 | unop | badcloud, if you don't - add one in. and run apt-get update again |
| 23:28.37 | badcloud | thanks |
| 23:29.05 | unop | badcloud, if you are running testing or lenny - replace etch there |
| 23:29.18 | badcloud | I'm running etch |
| 23:29.35 | unop | ok, then pay no attention to the last thing |
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| 23:32.00 | DeathWolf | mmm, does anyone see a way to limit the disk access speed of an application that usually tries to go as fast as possible? |
| 23:32.07 | DeathWolf | (ie your typical buffer filling apps) |
| 23:32.13 | ringo999 | hi, gnash on debian lenny withe iceweasel doesnt seem to work, i.e. youtube movies are not displayed. should this work? |
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| 23:32.42 | badcloud | unop, so far so good :) |
| 23:32.43 | badcloud | thanks |
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| 23:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | JuanTelez, http://syslinux.zytor.com/ |
| 23:33.57 | JuanTelez | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:34.01 | enouf | !wayttd DeathWolf |
| 23:34.01 | badcloud | any idea where the display config is on the same box? I don't have lilo.conf installed, which is mentioned in all the pages I found on google |
| 23:34.01 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, DeathWolf? |
| 23:34.07 | enouf | !gnash |
| 23:34.07 | dpkg | hmm... gnash is a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch> |
| 23:35.15 | enouf | ringo999: IINM, gnash only does flash versions 7.x and 8.x a bit .. no 9 or 10 .. 'apt-cache show gnash' for more. I happen to use '/msg dpkg youtube script' for youtube stuffs |
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| 23:35.56 | enouf | ringo999: otherwise, /msg dpkg adobe flash (if you must have/use a bloated browser and their plugins) |
| 23:36.36 | enouf | and .. proprietary garbage, such as SWF ActiveX style crap .. |
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| 23:37.53 | sajes | enouf: What web browser do you use? |
| 23:38.01 | enouf | DeathWolf: welp .. no response eh? If it's an optical drive, yes there are ways, if it's a HDD, then nice/renice/ionice might be for you - otherwise google for linux containers, not sure how far along it's come |
| 23:38.04 | ringo999 | enouf: thanks I will consider it |
| 23:38.06 | enouf | !links2 |
| 23:38.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, links2 is a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2, or for using in Console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in Console in GUI mode) Ask me about <links2 settings> |
| 23:39.24 | jelly-home | !factinfo links2 |
| 23:39.24 | dpkg | links2 -- created by tarzeau <n=tarzeau@80-219-77-180.dclient.hispeed.ch> at Tue Apr 11 05:52:48 2006 (978 days); last modified at Fri Aug 8 08:06:52 2008 by enouf!n=stompthe@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net; it has been requested 30 times, last by enouf, 1m 18s ago. |
| 23:39.37 | jelly-home | heh, figured |
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| 23:39.53 | enouf | !factinfo links2 settings |
| 23:39.54 | dpkg | links2 settings -- created by enouf <n=stompthe@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net> at Fri Aug 8 08:02:56 2008 (128 days); it has been requested 16 times, last by sajes, 25s ago. |
| 23:39.59 | enouf | \o/ |
| 23:40.21 | jelly-home | shameless selfpromotion |
| 23:40.27 | Flashtek | q: have ALL updates for sarge been discontinued now ?? (yeah, I still have one server on sarge) |
| 23:40.31 | sajes | enouf: I've used it before, but I didn't know it had graphics support. |
| 23:40.33 | enouf | takes a humble bow ... |
| 23:40.35 | jelly-home | Flashtek: yes. |
| 23:40.40 | jpinx | Flashtek: yes |
| 23:40.50 | Flashtek | i figured.. |
| 23:40.53 | Flashtek | thanks |
| 23:40.54 | enouf | now you know ;-) |
| 23:41.02 | jpinx | secutiry was stopped for sarge in March |
| 23:41.06 | jelly-home | Flashtek: hope you're not running anything vulnerable! |
| 23:41.25 | enouf | sajes: and ... not only is it GUI support, but GUI support in X or Console :-) |
| 23:41.29 | Flashtek | jelly-home: probably, but the customer doesn't want the cost of having the updates performed... |
| 23:41.43 | jpinx | Flashtek: if it's any consolation - I only upgraded my sarge webserver the other day |
| 23:41.43 | Flashtek | i did point out the cost in having their server rooted... |
| 23:41.48 | jelly-home | Flashtek: oh. we have a number of customers using php4 |
| 23:41.52 | sajes | enouf: That's awesome. I'll have to try it out and figure out how to set it up. |
| 23:42.02 | sajes | enouf: Thanks for enlightening me ;) |
| 23:42.06 | Flashtek | jpinx: to etch or lenny ? |
| 23:42.10 | jelly-home | Flashtek: those'll be interesting to upgrade |
| 23:42.18 | jpinx | Flashtek: to etchnhalf |
| 23:42.22 | Flashtek | cool |
| 23:42.46 | jpinx | Flashtek: is your webserver on a vps or an independent box? |
| 23:42.57 | Flashtek | jpinx: hardware |
| 23:42.59 | enouf | sajes: np |
| 23:43.18 | jpinx | Flashtek: you'll be good to follow the release notes then |
| 23:44.01 | jpinx | Flashtek: it's not a straightforward upgrade, but it's not difficult if you follow the instructions carefully |
| 23:44.54 | Flashtek | jpinx: yup yup, we actually did an upgrade on the same customers 'other' box, same hardware etc.. |
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| 23:45.18 | jpinx | Flashtek: cool :) |
| 23:45.19 | Circuitsoft | Where do I get the kernel config for my installed kernel package |
| 23:45.21 | Circuitsoft | ? |
| 23:45.30 | Circuitsoft | /proc/config.gz does not exist |
| 23:45.55 | _stack | /boot/ |
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| 23:46.41 | GeoMus | can any one give a an easy guide how to compile a module into my current kernel without make full kernel compile ?? |
| 23:46.56 | Flashtek | jpinx: why they didn't want the other server done at the same time i'll never know.. |
| 23:47.10 | DeathWolf | enouf: sadly not an optical drive, (it's an hdd), and tried nice/ionice'ing but ionice means cfq and the perfs of cfq have been horribly bad here. And even in ionice -c3 when there were 2 processes trying to fill buffer the load skyrocketed |
| 23:47.18 | DeathWolf | going to check linux containers though |
| 23:47.22 | DeathWolf | thanks for the info |
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| 23:51.38 | Circuitsoft | I'm now getting "Invalid module format" from a module built against said tree. |
| 23:52.36 | Circuitsoft | (Specifically, fglrx) |
| 23:52.56 | Circuitsoft | But I'm a little afraid to rebuild it in case I break something else. |
| 23:53.10 | Circuitsoft | (For some reason, my rt73usb is pretty fragile on this computer) |
| 23:55.12 | sajes | Hmm. Think someone should make a decent lynx article for dpkg? |
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| 23:55.27 | stew | Circuitsoft: /msg dpkg invalid module format |
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| 23:58.40 | Samb1 | grr |
