| 00:07.59 | Zehra | For those who have used "BZAdmin" for logging, feedback is welcomed on "BZMinLogger". |
| 00:08.53 | Zehra | (Currently many of features are not implemented, as it is a WIP.) |
| 00:09.47 | blast007 | needs a license |
| 00:14.42 | Zehra | CC0 |
| 00:15.28 | Zehra | (Since "public domain" is not considered one in many countries.) :) |
| 00:15.50 | blast007 | thanks |
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| 02:41.25 | Zehra | Question with regards to "bz_eRawChatMessageEvent", the "message" section of the event is listed as "The filtered final text of the message.".... |
| 02:42.01 | Zehra | While the event specifies as being "called before any filtering is done.", which would lead to contradictory status. |
| 02:42.49 | Zehra | So, it would either be "unfiltered" for "raw" or the "raw" status is misleading. |
| 02:59.23 | BZNotify | 02master @ bzflag.org: 03allejo pushed 1 commit (06https://git.io/JJAMM): |
| 02:59.24 | BZNotify | 02master @ bzflag.org: 03allejo 1486ed34: Correct bz_eRawChatMessageEvent::message doc (06https://git.io/JJAMD) |
| 02:59.40 | allejo | ) |
| 03:00.56 | Zehra | Thanks allejo. |
| 03:03.53 | allejo | :) |
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| 14:45.37 | Agatha | Question: in the past, we could moveâor effectively moveâbullets in plugins. (See e.g. the snake shot plugin.) However this does not seem to be possible anymore. Correct? |
| 15:05.05 | allejo | it was never possible via the official API |
| 15:05.46 | allejo | snake shot bypassed the API and did managed to move shots by using bzfs functions directly, which isn't officially supported |
| 15:22.27 | blast007 | I can't imagine that work well anyway |
| 15:22.37 | blast007 | worked* |
| 15:24.22 | Agatha | The version I'm looking at seems to have only included bzfsAPI.h. It looks like it keeps track of bullet ids and used bz_fireWorldWep to overwrite their parameters. AFAICT, anyway. |
| 15:25.02 | blast007 | which version of BZFlag was that for? |
| 15:28.23 | Agatha | Seems to be from June 2012. https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=18066&p=163101#p163155 |
| 15:31.45 | blast007 | I don't think you have control of the world weapon shot IDs anymore |
| 15:32.02 | CaptainRoberts[m | The server can only change shots for everyone except the shooter. The most common method is to let the shooter shoot, send a raw endshot for that shot, don't send it to the other players then create a server shot where you want it and do your own manual score adjustments when it hits. |
| 15:32.19 | CaptainRoberts[m | it's a huge pain and doesn't work well |
| 15:34.21 | Agatha | blast: that was my conclusion also. I tried to find it in the source, and it looks like various parameters relevant to that are explicitly ignored, so I don't think it's possible anymore. |
| 15:35.39 | Agatha | Roberts: as it happens, I am also interested in doing that too. I couldn't figure out how to remove shots, though. Can you elaborate on "send a raw endshot" please? |
| 15:36.28 | CaptainRoberts[m | There were problems with the world shot IDs, and yes there were ignored. It wasn't fixed until a version that isn't released. |
| 15:36.38 | Agatha | Or better, I suppose, a reference I can study? |
| 15:37.05 | CaptainRoberts[m | You have to bypass the API and send a raw network message. It's not officially supported and a huge hack. The API would have to be extended to do it right. |
| 15:37.44 | blast007 | Agatha: what you're working on would best be done as a fork of the game with the flag implemented in the client, not as a hackish server-side plugin. |
| 15:38.05 | CaptainRoberts[m | BZFlag is not really designed to do that kind of server side manipulation, at least not with the release versions. |
| 15:38.27 | CaptainRoberts[m | yeah, you are going to run into many walls in the 2.4.x codebase |
| 15:38.43 | blast007 | this is really something that should have client-side logic |
| 15:38.52 | CaptainRoberts[m | yes |
| 15:39.03 | blast007 | same for the glider flag |
| 15:39.59 | CaptainRoberts[m | Yeah, there is no concept of per tank physical attributes in the current code. Only some things can be modified by handicap. Gravity is not one of those. |
| 15:40.18 | CaptainRoberts[m | really bzdb should be replaced. |
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| 15:43.53 | allejo | yea, since 2.4.14, bzfs is the authority with IDs for server-side shots; https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/pull/99 |
| 15:45.28 | Agatha | I *really* do not have the expertise to start messing with core bz code. I can barely even compile a plugin. And from a practical standpoint, I'd rather not insist people download some off-main version of the game, nor cause fragmentation of the community by actually succeeding at that. I can see why it might be better to make bz itself do these |
| 15:45.29 | Agatha | things, but I think a hacky plugin is a better (partial) solution unless (until?) the API is expanded. |
| 15:47.03 | Agatha | (I've given up on the glider flag for now, by the way. At the moment, I'm thinking about some kind of wacky weapons plugin. Snake shot would be a good example of the kind of thing I want to do, though I'm not remaking that one per se.) |
| 15:48.30 | blast007 | can't do it either, though |
| 16:09.41 | Agatha | So . . . what I'm getting here is something like, moving shots or terminating them prematurely in a plugin is possible, but tricky. You have to do manual network stuff in the plugin. And physics stuff like gravity is flat out impossible without modifying core bz code. ? |
| 16:14.36 | CaptainRoberts[m | only GM can be updated after it's fired |
| 16:15.18 | CaptainRoberts[m | but it'll fight with the shooter's commands |
| 16:17.12 | CaptainRoberts[m | parts of the 2.6 API were more in line with what you are trying to do. |
| 16:24.44 | Agatha | Next question: is there a raycast thing? Basically, something that returns the first world position hit by a laser. This must exist in the core bz; how should I access it in a plugin? |
| 16:24.58 | CaptainRoberts[m | not on the server |
| 16:25.23 | CaptainRoberts[m | that code is in the "ShotStrat" section of the client |
| 16:25.50 | CaptainRoberts[m | the only real collision detection the server can do is drop a tank into the world for a spawn. |
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