| 00:00.22 | JeffM | https://github.com/JeffM2501/bzflag/tree/allman if anyone wants to get it and see how it looks. | 
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| 00:32.56 | JeffM | what does fetch do in git? | 
| 00:39.05 | blast007 | it pulls the changesets from the repo, but doesn't move your working copy to that revision | 
| 00:40.13 | JeffM | ahh just so merge and stuff can know what it can do? | 
| 01:03.43 | Juesto | JeffM: it's to update the downloaded copy without affecting your working stuff | 
| 01:04.53 | Juesto | pull is a fetch but additionally applies updates to your local branch | 
| 01:05.18 | JeffM | so it updates some database in the git dir | 
| 01:05.53 | Juesto | yes, it updates the cache from the remote | 
| 01:06.24 | Juesto | the .git dir is configuration, branches, index, objects and all history | 
| 01:06.51 | Juesto | something absolutely local are notes tho | 
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| 05:40.59 | Juesto | huh | 
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| 16:08.46 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15JeffM2501 opened pull request #130: Format code to allan sytle (06master...06allman) 02https://git.io/vhTs2 | 
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| 19:42.45 | WarPig | Q:  In observer info, what do Last Shot Info: Time and Deviation mean? | 
| 19:45.45 | JeffM | the time when the shooter shot the shot, and the deviatioin is how long your client took to see it. | 
| 19:46.21 | JeffM | actualy the deviation is the time since the previous shot | 
| 19:46.50 | JeffM | so if the deviation for a player is consitently below the shot reload time, they may be up to something. | 
| 19:47.07 | JeffM | but it's hard to tell, since it's all affected by your lag | 
| 19:48.16 | WarPig | Always wondered about that, thanks. | 
| 19:49.44 | JeffM | none of the observer info is definitive, but it may help someone make a choice. | 
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| 19:50.59 | Juesto | ah hey | 
| 19:51.43 | Juesto | who's the group contact of this project?? | 
| 19:51.57 | Juesto | for irc cloaks | 
| 19:51.58 | JeffM | proabably blast007 or timriker | 
| 19:52.07 | JeffM | not sure if they give them out anymore | 
| 19:52.12 | Juesto | :/ | 
| 19:53.18 | Juesto | a cloak is mostly for showing off i guess, so I'm doubting if it's really worth having an affiliation | 
| 19:53.37 | Juesto | as i do play but not as often | 
| 19:53.39 | JeffM | it's pure vanity | 
| 19:53.43 | Juesto | yeah | 
| 20:06.42 | WarPig | A cloak is not vanity if you use your bz callsign as your irc nick. | 
| 20:07.51 | WarPig | ...and you don't want players in the game to know your IP. | 
| 20:09.08 | Juesto | i know | 
| 20:09.19 | Juesto | and my game nick is Zz | 
| 20:09.20 | Juesto | lol | 
| 20:09.26 | Juesto | war | 
| 20:09.44 | Juesto | WarPig: irc cloaks aren't meant to protect your ip | 
| 20:09.47 | JeffM | Then use an irc service;) | 
| 20:10.08 | JeffM | Iâve been very happy with IRCCloud | 
| 20:10.31 | Juesto | i know about cloaks and how they work, it's just I'm doubting whatever should i get a bzflag one | 
| 20:10.53 | JeffM | You already have a network one | 
| 20:11.13 | JeffM | I canât recall the last time a bz one was given out | 
| 20:11.18 | JeffM | I may have done it | 
| 20:12.30 | Juesto | yeah, those network ones are easily replaced by a request from the project's group contact | 
| 20:13.56 | JeffM | the network administrators should be able to tell you who the contact is | 
| 20:14.57 | Juesto | uh, not really something staff managed | 
| 20:15.05 | Juesto | i mean, they won't really tell you | 
| 20:15.14 | JeffM | did you ask? | 
| 20:15.25 | JeffM | they have a database of who thoe approved contacts are | 
| 20:16.17 | JeffM | the channel founder and contact email are still tim | 
| 20:16.56 | Juesto | i mean, they don't really disclose that to just anyone | 
| 20:17.16 | JeffM | did you ask? | 
| 20:18.07 | Juesto | uh i think i tried | 
| 20:18.19 | Juesto | don't remember | 
| 20:18.27 | Juesto | I'll pm some staff i guess | 
| 21:15.25 | blast007 | nah, they wouldn't even tell me :) | 
| 21:15.35 | blast007 | but the contacts are Tim and myself, afaik | 
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| 21:41.19 | JeffM | do you even want to deal with cloaks? | 
| 21:41.44 | blast007 | it's mostly just so someone can | 
| 22:07.11 | JeffM | tries blast007's fancy batch file to build dependencies | 
| 22:16.06 | JeffM | yay, allman changes didn't break anything :) | 
| 22:19.20 | Juesto | ? | 
| 22:19.34 | Juesto | yeah knew it | 
| 22:19.36 | Juesto | lol | 
| 22:19.39 | Juesto | welp | 
| 22:20.09 | Juesto | blast007: so which cloaks are available? :) | 
| 22:20.43 | Juesto | are the project/solution version fix committed yet? | 
| 22:29.16 | blast007 | yes | 
| 22:30.12 | Juesto | lol mode changed from 644 to 755 too | 
| 22:31.19 | Juesto | hmm really 15.0.0.0? | 
| 22:31.45 | blast007 | Visual Studio 2017 is version 15.0 | 
| 22:32.46 | Juesto | apparently not, rtm was 14.10 apparently | 
| 22:33.11 | Juesto | yeah since visual studio 2003 project version been the next number | 
| 22:33.34 | Juesto | vs 7.1 = 8, vs8 = 9 | 
| 22:34.10 | Juesto | sigh | 
| 22:35.36 | blast007 | 2015 is 14, 2017 is 15 | 
| 22:35.44 | blast007 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_Studio#2017 | 
| 22:36.28 | Juesto | ah | 
| 22:39.34 | Juesto | blast007: but it's a bunch of numbers not just "15.0.0.0" | 
| 22:39.57 | Juesto | but '15.xxxx.x.x.x' | 
| 22:40.03 | blast007 | and? | 
| 22:40.31 | Juesto | sigh, nvm its just stupidly minor | 
| 22:44.47 | Juesto | blast007: may i pm you? | 
| 22:45.09 | JeffM | Juesto: I just | 
| 22:45.14 | JeffM | Picked a number that | 
| 22:45.15 | JeffM | Would | 
| 22:45.16 | JeffM | Work | 
| 22:45.18 | blast007 | as for the cloak, the one available would be bzflag/player/____ | 
| 22:45.30 | Juesto | oh | 
| 22:45.45 | blast007 | I dunno if Tim had some vetting process for that | 
| 22:45.48 | JeffM | I edited the sln files by hand | 
| 22:46.05 | JeffM | You have to send him a dollar | 
| 22:46.07 | Juesto | i guess that works if Zz can be put since my user is Juest | 
| 22:46.09 | blast007 | heh | 
| 22:46.30 | blast007 | yeah, I think that's how it works - it would have Zz at the end | 
| 22:46.44 | Juesto | alright | 
| 22:47.37 | Juesto | JeffM: you could've resaved the sln and it would update with your installed version string | 
| 22:48.02 | JeffM | I know and that may be newer than what | 
| 22:48.05 | JeffM | Others have | 
| 22:48.06 | Juesto | and your build number is in help -> about | 
| 22:48.14 | JeffM | I picked a low version on purpose | 
| 22:48.21 | Juesto | depends, people update it | 
| 22:48.44 | JeffM | It does rolling releases, so everyone often has different versions | 
| 22:49.16 | JeffM | It works, thatâs the important part | 
| 22:49.29 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> | 
| 22:49.36 | JeffM | Not that | 
| 22:49.46 | JeffM | Silly phone keyboard | 
| 22:50.00 | Juesto | figure out what's the oldest build and use that i guess | 
| 22:50.04 | Juesto | well whatever | 
| 22:50.20 | Juesto | you should disable the correction | 
| 22:50.22 | JeffM | Why? There is zero advantage | 
| 22:50.42 | Juesto | using Android? | 
| 22:50.52 | JeffM | Dude that would be a very bad idea ð± | 
| 22:50.57 | JeffM | God no | 
| 22:51.08 | Juesto | you can still get words corrected when needed via the prediction bar | 
| 22:51.09 | JeffM | I like consistency | 
| 22:51.13 | blast007 | the only thing worse than iOS is Android | 
| 22:51.18 | Juesto | what | 
| 22:51.19 | Juesto | how | 
| 22:51.28 | JeffM | The issue is hit enter too often | 
| 22:51.31 | Juesto | and what are you using by the way? | 
| 22:51.35 | JeffM | Before I can review | 
| 22:51.35 | blast007 | Juesto: me? | 
| 22:51.51 | Juesto | whoever | 
| 22:51.52 | JeffM | Heâs a Nokia fan | 
| 22:52.01 | Juesto | Maemo? | 
| 22:52.07 | Juesto | Symbian? | 
| 22:52.16 | JeffM | Brick with an antenna | 
| 22:52.17 | blast007 | https://www.phonearena.com/phones/Nokia-3585i_id548 | 
| 22:54.05 | Juesto | oh wow | 
| 22:54.11 | Juesto | well hbu jeff | 
| 22:54.19 | Juesto | but how are you on irc then | 
| 22:54.39 | blast007 | I use morse code | 
| 22:55.05 | JeffM | This is an iPhone | 
| 22:55.11 | Juesto | Ah | 
| 22:55.18 | JeffM | He never said he used his phone for irc | 
| 22:55.25 | blast007 | :) | 
| 22:55.48 | Juesto | great i got confused ;/ | 
| 22:57.10 | blast007 | waiting for my linux phone to get designed and built | 
| 22:57.21 | Juesto | huh | 
| 22:57.38 | blast007 | it'll come with Gnome | 
| 22:58.26 | Juesto | wew | 
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| 23:02.52 | JeffM | Ahhh, giant iPad, much better | 
| 23:02.56 | Juesto | I'm guessing contributor if i knew to write and patch up bzf | 
| 23:03.18 | Juesto | you could consider me a contributor, but really depends on what I'm doing for it | 
| 23:03.26 | blast007 | I dunno.  The only one I added was for allejo. | 
| 23:03.32 | allejo | <3 | 
| 23:03.33 | Juesto | and the former would be developer instead | 
| 23:03.35 | Juesto | lol | 
| 23:03.46 | JeffM | Iâd think youâd need to aaa a bit first | 
| 23:03.55 | Juesto | wat | 
| 23:04.03 | JeffM | Add a bit | 
| 23:04.10 | Juesto | as in? | 
| 23:04.31 | Juesto | is still slightly confused | 
| 23:04.43 | JeffM | Contribute to the project | 
| 23:04.56 | Juesto | i guess | 
| 23:05.12 | Juesto | would testing and reporting count? | 
| 23:05.33 | blast007 | no idea | 
| 23:06.27 | Juesto | available cloak for me != list of existing cloaks | 
| 23:07.53 | Juesto | wanted to know the latter tbh | 
| 23:08.57 | Juesto | aand 15.7.1 just added c++17 standard! | 
| 23:11.00 | JeffM | The cloak represents your role, at present I donât see you was anything more than a player | 
| 23:11.38 | Juesto | right | 
| 23:11.51 | Juesto | "technical player" | 
| 23:11.56 | Juesto | not gameplay wise | 
| 23:12.01 | Juesto | i suck lol | 
| 23:12.26 | JeffM | Role != skill | 
| 23:14.59 | Juesto | I'm looking forward to improve | 
| 23:16.22 | Juesto | do you guys play sometimes? | 
| 23:16.31 | Juesto | but rarely i guess? | 
| 23:18.47 | blast007 | I play about once a month | 
| 23:20.41 | Juesto | why some binds are not in input settings | 
| 23:21.55 | JeffM | They are secret | 
| 23:22.09 | blast007 | because they are hardcoded | 
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