IRC log for #bzflag on 20180523

00:00.22JeffMhttps://github.com/JeffM2501/bzflag/tree/allman if anyone wants to get it and see how it looks.
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00:32.56JeffMwhat does fetch do in git?
00:39.05blast007it pulls the changesets from the repo, but doesn't move your working copy to that revision
00:40.13JeffMahh just so merge and stuff can know what it can do?
01:03.43JuestoJeffM: it's to update the downloaded copy without affecting your working stuff
01:04.53Juestopull is a fetch but additionally applies updates to your local branch
01:05.18JeffMso it updates some database in the git dir
01:05.53Juestoyes, it updates the cache from the remote
01:06.24Juestothe .git dir is configuration, branches, index, objects and all history
01:06.51Juestosomething absolutely local are notes tho
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05:40.59Juestohuh
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16:08.46BZnotify[13bzflag] 15JeffM2501 opened pull request #130: Format code to allan sytle (06master...06allman) 02https://git.io/vhTs2
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19:42.45WarPigQ:  In observer info, what do Last Shot Info: Time and Deviation mean?
19:45.45JeffMthe time when the shooter shot the shot, and the deviatioin is how long your client took to see it.
19:46.21JeffMactualy the deviation is the time since the previous shot
19:46.50JeffMso if the deviation for a player is consitently below the shot reload time, they may be up to something.
19:47.07JeffMbut it's hard to tell, since it's all affected by your lag
19:48.16WarPigAlways wondered about that, thanks.
19:49.44JeffMnone of the observer info is definitive, but it may help someone make a choice.
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19:50.59Juestoah hey
19:51.43Juestowho's the group contact of this project??
19:51.57Juestofor irc cloaks
19:51.58JeffMproabably blast007 or timriker
19:52.07JeffMnot sure if they give them out anymore
19:52.12Juesto:/
19:53.18Juestoa cloak is mostly for showing off i guess, so I'm doubting if it's really worth having an affiliation
19:53.37Juestoas i do play but not as often
19:53.39JeffMit's pure vanity
19:53.43Juestoyeah
20:06.42WarPigA cloak is not vanity if you use your bz callsign as your irc nick.
20:07.51WarPig...and you don't want players in the game to know your IP.
20:09.08Juestoi know
20:09.19Juestoand my game nick is Zz
20:09.20Juestolol
20:09.26Juestowar
20:09.44JuestoWarPig: irc cloaks aren't meant to protect your ip
20:09.47JeffMThen use an irc service;)
20:10.08JeffMI’ve been very happy with IRCCloud
20:10.31Juestoi know about cloaks and how they work, it's just I'm doubting whatever should i get a bzflag one
20:10.53JeffMYou already have a network one
20:11.13JeffMI can’t recall the last time a bz one was given out
20:11.18JeffMI may have done it
20:12.30Juestoyeah, those network ones are easily replaced by a request from the project's group contact
20:13.56JeffMthe network administrators should be able to tell you who the contact is
20:14.57Juestouh, not really something staff managed
20:15.05Juestoi mean, they won't really tell you
20:15.14JeffMdid you ask?
20:15.25JeffMthey have a database of who thoe approved contacts are
20:16.17JeffMthe channel founder and contact email are still tim
20:16.56Juestoi mean, they don't really disclose that to just anyone
20:17.16JeffMdid you ask?
20:18.07Juestouh i think i tried
20:18.19Juestodon't remember
20:18.27JuestoI'll pm some staff i guess
21:15.25blast007nah, they wouldn't even tell me :)
21:15.35blast007but the contacts are Tim and myself, afaik
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21:41.19JeffMdo you even want to deal with cloaks?
21:41.44blast007it's mostly just so someone can
22:07.11JeffMtries blast007's fancy batch file to build dependencies
22:16.06JeffMyay, allman changes didn't break anything :)
22:19.20Juesto?
22:19.34Juestoyeah knew it
22:19.36Juestolol
22:19.39Juestowelp
22:20.09Juestoblast007: so which cloaks are available? :)
22:20.43Juestoare the project/solution version fix committed yet?
22:29.16blast007yes
22:30.12Juestolol mode changed from 644 to 755 too
22:31.19Juestohmm really 15.0.0.0?
22:31.45blast007Visual Studio 2017 is version 15.0
22:32.46Juestoapparently not, rtm was 14.10 apparently
22:33.11Juestoyeah since visual studio 2003 project version been the next number
22:33.34Juestovs 7.1 = 8, vs8 = 9
22:34.10Juestosigh
22:35.36blast0072015 is 14, 2017 is 15
22:35.44blast007https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_Studio#2017
22:36.28Juestoah
22:39.34Juestoblast007: but it's a bunch of numbers not just "15.0.0.0"
22:39.57Juestobut '15.xxxx.x.x.x'
22:40.03blast007and?
22:40.31Juestosigh, nvm its just stupidly minor
22:44.47Juestoblast007: may i pm you?
22:45.09JeffMJuesto: I just
22:45.14JeffMPicked a number that
22:45.15JeffMWould
22:45.16JeffMWork
22:45.18blast007as for the cloak, the one available would be bzflag/player/____
22:45.30Juestooh
22:45.45blast007I dunno if Tim had some vetting process for that
22:45.48JeffMI edited the sln files by hand
22:46.05JeffMYou have to send him a dollar
22:46.07Juestoi guess that works if Zz can be put since my user is Juest
22:46.09blast007heh
22:46.30blast007yeah, I think that's how it works - it would have Zz at the end
22:46.44Juestoalright
22:47.37JuestoJeffM: you could've resaved the sln and it would update with your installed version string
22:48.02JeffMI know and that may be newer than what
22:48.05JeffMOthers have
22:48.06Juestoand your build number is in help -> about
22:48.14JeffMI picked a low version on purpose
22:48.21Juestodepends, people update it
22:48.44JeffMIt does rolling releases, so everyone often has different versions
22:49.16JeffMIt works, that’s the important part
22:49.29JeffM<PROTECTED>
22:49.36JeffMNot that
22:49.46JeffMSilly phone keyboard
22:50.00Juestofigure out what's the oldest build and use that i guess
22:50.04Juestowell whatever
22:50.20Juestoyou should disable the correction
22:50.22JeffMWhy? There is zero advantage
22:50.42Juestousing Android?
22:50.52JeffMDude that would be a very bad idea 😱
22:50.57JeffMGod no
22:51.08Juestoyou can still get words corrected when needed via the prediction bar
22:51.09JeffMI like consistency
22:51.13blast007the only thing worse than iOS is Android
22:51.18Juestowhat
22:51.19Juestohow
22:51.28JeffMThe issue is hit enter too often
22:51.31Juestoand what are you using by the way?
22:51.35JeffMBefore I can review
22:51.35blast007Juesto: me?
22:51.51Juestowhoever
22:51.52JeffMHe’s a Nokia fan
22:52.01JuestoMaemo?
22:52.07JuestoSymbian?
22:52.16JeffMBrick with an antenna
22:52.17blast007https://www.phonearena.com/phones/Nokia-3585i_id548
22:54.05Juestooh wow
22:54.11Juestowell hbu jeff
22:54.19Juestobut how are you on irc then
22:54.39blast007I use morse code
22:55.05JeffMThis is an iPhone
22:55.11JuestoAh
22:55.18JeffMHe never said he used his phone for irc
22:55.25blast007:)
22:55.48Juestogreat i got confused ;/
22:57.10blast007waiting for my linux phone to get designed and built
22:57.21Juestohuh
22:57.38blast007it'll come with Gnome
22:58.26Juestowew
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23:02.52JeffMAhhh, giant iPad, much better
23:02.56JuestoI'm guessing contributor if i knew to write and patch up bzf
23:03.18Juestoyou could consider me a contributor, but really depends on what I'm doing for it
23:03.26blast007I dunno.  The only one I added was for allejo.
23:03.32allejo<3
23:03.33Juestoand the former would be developer instead
23:03.35Juestolol
23:03.46JeffMI’d think you’d need to aaa a bit first
23:03.55Juestowat
23:04.03JeffMAdd a bit
23:04.10Juestoas in?
23:04.31Juestois still slightly confused
23:04.43JeffMContribute to the project
23:04.56Juestoi guess
23:05.12Juestowould testing and reporting count?
23:05.33blast007no idea
23:06.27Juestoavailable cloak for me != list of existing cloaks
23:07.53Juestowanted to know the latter tbh
23:08.57Juestoaand 15.7.1 just added c++17 standard!
23:11.00JeffMThe cloak represents your role, at present I don’t see you was anything more than a player
23:11.38Juestoright
23:11.51Juesto"technical player"
23:11.56Juestonot gameplay wise
23:12.01Juestoi suck lol
23:12.26JeffMRole != skill
23:14.59JuestoI'm looking forward to improve
23:16.22Juestodo you guys play sometimes?
23:16.31Juestobut rarely i guess?
23:18.47blast007I play about once a month
23:20.41Juestowhy some binds are not in input settings
23:21.55JeffMThey are secret
23:22.09blast007because they are hardcoded
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