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16:35.18JeffMwhat are your planned/desired features for 2.6?
16:40.05blast007dynamic team changes through a hard-coded menu in the client (instead of full-blown dynamic menu generation controlled by the server), maybe backport some additional 2.99.x map features, fix the join handshake and the string handling in the proto
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16:40.43blast007maybe a better in-game MOTD that has a proper UI
16:44.03blast007The protocol/logic for the server sending team changes is at least 90% of the way there.  Mainly needs testing and maybe some extra work for rabbit chase.  The UI and protocol to enable the client to show and pick a team isn't started.
17:06.19JeffManything for shots, or shot limits?
17:06.36JeffMServer side GM?
17:08.43JeffMor forced world reload?
17:10.10blast007shot limit would be pretty easy (just tack on a number with the flag grab message)
17:10.29blast007s/with/to/
17:10.37JeffMyes, I'd also do a seperate message to reset the limit
17:10.47JeffMso you can do plugins that do a "reload" pad or something
17:11.14blast007that seems overly complex
17:11.21JeffMnot really
17:11.27blast007(and risks odd state issues with latency)
17:11.29JeffMit's just a message
17:11.41JeffMthat's true of everything in bzflag ;)
17:12.04JeffMbut I coudl see not wanting to do it with out also doing the shot ID changes too
17:12.12JeffMsince they are what fixes state issues
17:13.17blast007having client-side knowledge of the shot limit would help with a state mismatch.  but having a message to 'reload' or change the shot limit could just bring the state mismatch back.
17:14.48blast007(if you drop the flag, either manually or though the client's knowledge that the limit is up, and /then/ get a shot limit message 'reloading' your flag, what happens then?)
17:15.19JeffMyou ignore it, because the server will gget the drop message too and ignore the reload
17:15.21blast007client just ignores it?
17:15.22JeffMit's all solveable
17:15.25JeffMsure
17:15.31JeffMyou don't have the flag ID anymore
17:15.58JeffMmessage would not just be "reload" it'd be "Set the shot limit for this flag ID to this number for this player"
17:16.12blast007right
17:16.26JeffMif they don't get it in time, oh well, thems the breaks they don't get the shots
17:16.33JeffMserver gets the drop and everything is back in sync
17:16.44JeffMworld state is still cool
17:17.38blast007that would probably be fine to add to 2.6 then
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17:17.50JeffMdoes think about these things ;)
17:17.55blast007:)
17:18.02JeffMbut it's good to double check
17:18.29blast007as for server-side GM and forced world reload, I'm not sure what all that entails
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17:18.37blast007world reload would be pretty neat to have
17:18.51JeffMthe client already knows how to reload the map, it does it when it changes servers
17:19.04JeffMit'd just be forcing the user into the limbo state (something it does now during loading).
17:19.12JeffMthen reload the map like the loading state
17:19.17JeffMand resend the updates
17:19.22JeffMthen allow respawn
17:19.37JeffMit's just a rejiggering of stuff the client already does
17:20.19The_NoahSo I'm trying to compile BZFlag 2.4.10 in Windows (10) with Visual Studio, but I get this error: 'sys/param.h': No such file or directory. But thats a Linux header (iirc). And yes, I did install "VC++ 2015.3 v140 toolset." Any ideas why it's not working?
17:20.36The_NoahVisual Studio 2017*
17:20.41JeffMwhat  project did you open?
17:20.45The_Noahbzflag
17:20.50JeffMbzflag.sln?
17:20.55JeffMor fullbuild.sln?
17:21.07The_NoahMSVC/bzflag.sln
17:21.29JeffM2.4.10 is the current or older?
17:21.45The_NoahIt's the version I'm trying to compile.
17:21.54JeffMthat is not an asnwer to my question
17:22.00blast0072.4.12 is current
17:22.06The_NoahI know.
17:22.14JeffMolder versions were not updated to work with VC 2015/17
17:22.25blast007it should work with 2015
17:22.26The_NoahSo....
17:22.27JeffMso this is from a zip?
17:22.31blast007I never tried that version with 2017
17:22.37JeffMI can try it
17:23.06JeffMwhat file is it compiling when it gives that error?
17:23.12The_NoahThis is my first time compiling on Windows. First time compiling any program with Visual Studio (other than Hello World :P)
17:23.28JeffMyeah 2.4.10 doesn't work on VC2017
17:23.34JeffMuse the current version
17:23.38The_Noahinclude/common.h
17:23.47JeffMyeah I see it
17:23.57blast007the dependencies do have a 2017 build batch file now too
17:23.59JeffMthe config is wrong
17:24.21blast007I'll probably update the BZFlag project files for 2017 before 2.4.14 is released
17:24.29The_NoahIs it possible to compile 2.4.10 in Visual Studio 2017?
17:24.36JeffMnot in it's current state
17:24.40JeffMwhy do you need that version?
17:24.44blast007why do you need that specific version?  is it your version with your changes?
17:24.51The_Noahyes
17:25.18blast007if you have commited them to your local repo, you could pull in the changes that we've made
17:25.19The_NoahCan I compile 2.5?
17:25.34JeffMthat probalby hasn't been updated ether
17:25.36blast007(via 'git pull --rebase')
17:25.46blast0072.5 is behind 2.4 right now
17:26.23JeffMahh, it's pulling the wrong config.h
17:26.27JeffMawesome...
17:26.49JeffMfriggin autoconf
17:27.32JeffMdelete /inc/config.h
17:27.38JeffMthat shoudl get you further
17:28.04JeffMblast007: , I sugest making the windows conf.h be winConf.h and putting a VC check in common.h to include one or the other.
17:28.19The_NoahI'm on Windows so if I update the repo it won't have the Unix executable flags....
17:28.47JeffMthe problem is that if a source tree has been configured via makefile, it'll put config.h in /inc/ and that'll be picked up before it searches for the windows one in the MSVC dir.
17:28.59JeffMThe_Noah: whut?
17:30.05The_NoahWindows doesn't use ext4 like Unix does, so if I update to repo the executable flags will be gone. Than Unix people won't have the executable flags.
17:30.23JeffMexecutables are not stored in the repository
17:30.29JeffMso you are talking sort of nonsense
17:30.53The_NoahNo, not executables. Executable flags on ext4.
17:31.37JeffMthose flags are set on the OS, you lost them the moment you checked out on windows.
17:31.46JeffMor are you using a shared folder for both OSs?
17:33.08JeffMugg.. there are several places that include config.h directly
17:35.06The_NoahI don't use my Ubuntu laptop anymore.
17:35.53JeffMthen OS specific flags for files are set by gitproperties when they are checked out on that OS
17:36.22JeffMyou can move your code changes from one branch to another just fine.
17:37.46JeffMblast007: so yeah, if the source zips include both config.h's it won't compile.
17:37.48The_NoahWhen I downloaded the source, I downloaded the ZIP and not via git, so .git isn't there....
17:38.11JeffMthen there are no unix flags
17:38.17JeffMdon't worry about them
17:38.21JeffMor use git
17:39.11The_Noah??
17:39.33JeffMto fix your problem, delete the config.h file in the inc dir
17:39.39JeffMit'll build after that
17:41.01The_NoahThank you.
17:43.38blast007JeffM: hmm, yeah, I suppose I never build from our source archives :P
17:43.48JeffMyeah, nether do I :)
17:44.18JeffMtarballs, so pedestrian
17:46.22The_NoahError C2220: warning treated as error - no 'object' file generated. - 3 times
17:46.34blast007you're building a debug
17:46.37blast007as*
17:46.43blast007debug treats warnings as errors
17:46.46JeffMchange to release
17:46.46blast007release does not
17:46.49The_NoahOh okay.
17:46.59JeffMthose warnigns were fixed in later versions
17:51.50The_NoahSomething I've noticed on Windows (2.4.10 and 12) is that when BZFlag starts, it doesn't grab focus.
17:53.31The_NoahSometimes*
17:53.44JeffMmy guess is you tripple clicked
17:56.25The_NoahProbably :D
17:56.48JeffMwhat kind of computer did you get for your birthday?
18:04.43The_NoahIt wasn't for my birthday :P
18:04.49The_NoahA Windows 10 one :D
18:05.00The_NoahWant to know the specs?
18:09.23JeffMall new computers are windows 10
18:09.29JeffMdoes it have onboard video?
18:17.36The_NoahYes, but I'm going to get a graphics card.
18:17.43The_NoahSorry for responding slowly.
18:22.55JeffMgood luck competing with the crypto miners :)
18:23.20The_NoahLAWL.
18:23.27blast007yeah.. now is not the time to buy a video card
18:23.28The_NoahI don't mine.
18:23.36The_NoahSadly...
18:23.45The_NoahAbout video cards, not mining :P
18:23.47JeffMthat's not what I mean
18:23.55JeffMminers are buying them all
18:23.58blast007it's hard to find any that are in stock
18:24.05JeffMraising the cost and lowering stocks
18:24.06JeffMyeah
18:24.12JeffMit's HARD to buy a card today
18:24.28JeffMI'd have a Vega if it wasn't
18:24.29blast007would have been easier to buy it with the computer since the manufacturer may have more direct relationships than the miners
18:25.22The_NoahI bought a used computer.
18:25.42blast007don't buy a used video card though - a miner probably used it ;)
18:25.48The_NoahI'm going to get the nVidia GeForce GT 1030, its 70USD and it's plenty powerful for me.
18:25.52The_NoahYa..
18:26.17JeffMyeah that's the low end of the current market, it's stated pretty stable, the miners don't want them.
18:30.09JeffMI can't believe that RX480's are going for over 350$, I got mine for 199 when they were new.
18:30.26The_Noah:O
18:32.49blast007seeing a bunch of listings on eBay for new 980 Ti's for around $1200 to $1400..
18:35.16The_NoahA new Titan X on ebay is about $3,130.
18:35.53The_NoahI wonder if it will run BZFlag at max settings..... :P
18:36.31blast007onboard Intel can do that :P
18:37.01blast007even 2009 era intel onboard
18:37.21The_NoahIt's a joke.
18:37.27The_NoahI know that.
18:37.28blast007so is our graphics :)
18:37.36The_NoahLawl
18:37.46The_NoahYa, when is someone going to fix that?
18:38.05The_NoahEven new textures would be an improvement.
18:39.12blast007JeffM: oh, that's another thing that might be worth adding to 2.6... replacing our audio system with OpenAL
18:44.31JeffMYeah
18:44.48JeffMWould not be too hard IIRC
18:45.24JeffMIt would sound a little different if you went with the real positioning api
18:45.56JeffMNothing fully replicated bzflag’s flawed audio logic 🤓
18:46.12JeffMBut could
18:46.26JeffMProbably change the speed of sound to get close
18:47.22blast007yeah, it has an option for speed of sound
18:47.32blast007if it gets rid of the popping sound, that would be amazing :P
18:47.40JeffMIt should
18:47.57JeffMAnd it should work on real surround systems too if done right
18:48.22JeffMAnd then fancy headsets
18:54.33The_NoahSo now I'm trying to compile 2.5, and I deleted include/config.h because I got the error. Now I get this error: ..\..\src\bzflag\clientCommands.cxx(24): fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'png.h': No such file or directory
18:55.11blast0072.5 uses libpng as well, which is not included with the 2.4 dependencies
18:55.31blast007the master branch of the dependencies has it, but I don't yet have a 2017 batch file there
18:56.32The_NoahDo you have a compiled version of it?
18:56.50blast007at home
19:00.33The_NoahCould you send it to me?
19:08.50JeffMit should beuild with the 2015 deps
19:09.47The_NoahIt doesn't compile.
19:10.43blast007JeffM: the packaged stuff doesn't have libpng
19:10.49JeffMoh
19:11.38blast007The_Noah: http://static.bzexcess.com/bzflag-dependencies-master-1b7466ef4.zip
19:11.57The_NoahThanks!
19:13.53The_NoahErrorLNK2019unresolved external symbol "public: __thiscall HUDOptionsMenu::HUDOptionsMenu(void)" (??0HUDOptionsMenu@@QAE@XZ) referenced in function "public: virtual void __thiscall OptionsMenu::execute(void)" (?execute@OptionsMenu@@UAEXXZ) - C:\Users\noah\bzflag-dev\NUI\bzflag\MSVC\build\OptionsMenu.obj line 1
19:15.10JeffMis that code you edited?
19:15.27JeffMor a file is missing from the project
19:15.32The_NoahYes.
19:15.37JeffMthen fix it
19:15.37The_NoahIt's a new file.
19:16.05JeffMyou are missing a function defintion
19:16.16JeffMyou have the declaration but not definition.
19:16.32blast007that means the .cxx file isn't part of the project?
19:16.39JeffMor he never wrote the function
19:16.44JeffMone of those 2 thigns
19:16.57The_NoahI wrote the function.
19:17.31JeffMdid you add the file to the project?
19:17.55The_NoahI think so.
19:18.07JeffMthen it should work
19:18.16JeffMif it doesn't, you havent' done one of those 2 things
19:18.25JeffMand we can't help you with out seeing all the code
19:19.45The_NoahWhere do I add the file to the project?
19:19.58JeffMright click on the proejct, add exsting item
19:20.41The_NoahThanks.
19:23.12The_NoahThat didn't work...
19:23.48JeffMlet me focus my psychic vibrations on your computer to see what is wrong....
19:24.04blast007"didn't work" is the kind of emails I get at work
19:24.25The_NoahLawl
19:24.32The_NoahI had to edit the file manually.
19:24.51JeffMthen you did it wrong
19:25.02blast007edit what file manually?
19:25.50The_NoahMSVC/build/bzflag.vcxproj
19:26.39The_NoahI copied the code for `..\..\src\bzflag\HUDRenderer.cxx` and changed it to `..\..\src\bzflag\HUDOptionsMenu.cxx` and it works now.
19:27.15JeffMdid you replace one file with another, or add a file?
19:27.24JeffMahh you cloned it
19:27.25The_NoahI added a file.
19:27.29JeffMthat's what the GUI does
19:27.38JeffMyou must have screwed up your clicking
19:27.46The_Noah??
19:32.02JeffMyou should not have to edit proejct files manualy
19:33.13The_NoahWell what you said to do didn't work. I'll remove it and try to add it properly.
19:33.32JeffMit works, I do it daily, you didn't do exactly what I said to do ;)
19:34.25JeffMor you added it to the wrong project
19:34.35JeffMbut you don't give us a lot of info, so there is no way for us to know
19:39.59The_NoahI found out how to add it the proper why, so it's fixed now.
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