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| 00:54.53 | blast007 | allejo: I had a quick look through the wiki and added some cards to that project |
| 02:11.30 | macsforme | I see we have some non-lawyers being quite free with their legal advice, again :P |
| 02:12.49 | macsforme | if merely downloading and storing bzflag maps that are publicly hosted is a copyright violation, then I feel that sites like archive.org are in serious legal jeopardy |
| 02:13.21 | JeffM | techincaly no permisions were granted, |
| 02:16.31 | macsforme | whether that is true or not, there is also "fair use" |
| 02:17.34 | JeffM | under circumstances. |
| 02:17.58 | JeffM | fair use does not mean "I mean well" |
| 02:18.27 | JeffM | enforcibility on people storing data you give out freely is VERY low |
| 02:18.48 | macsforme | I believe it would be hard to argue that merely accessing and retaining a copy of publicly broadcasted information is a copyright violation... there was a case involving making VHS recordings of television broadcasts, for example |
| 02:19.15 | JeffM | yes it would be very hard to argue, that doesn't make it any more or less "legal" just more or less defensible. |
| 02:19.45 | JeffM | but he was also at one point talking about hosting the archive, that was where I was getting was more slippery |
| 02:19.57 | JeffM | not all cases of laws are clear ;) |
| 02:20.17 | JeffM | have you ever told someone to "take it up with the juduge"? |
| 02:21.44 | macsforme | I didn't see him suggesting that... but yes, that would be a further step, although still, it seems very similar to the web site archivist example |
| 02:21.52 | JeffM | storage has a very low effect on the copyrighted work so I would not think ANY court in the US would rule for the copyright holder in any suit. |
| 02:22.37 | JeffM | possibly, though it could be argued that the web site archives give the data back in the same format it was shared in. |
| 02:23.02 | JeffM | savemap does not do that, since it was shared as a binary blob, not a bzw map file, thus the data was transformed potentially with out permission. |
| 02:23.29 | JeffM | really nobody would sue over a map :) |
| 02:24.40 | JeffM | I do wonder if the internet archives are stored under educational grounds for fair use |
| 02:24.49 | JeffM | in conjuction with a library |
| 02:24.57 | JeffM | that would be much more defensible |
| 02:26.24 | JeffM | it's kinda knife edge, because it's not legal to redistribute abandonware "In most cases, software classed as abandonware is not in the public domain, as it has never had its original copyright officially revoked and some company or individual may still own rights. While sharing of such software is usually considered copyright infringement, in practice copyright holders rarely enforce their abandonware copyrights for a |
| 02:26.24 | JeffM | number of reasons" |
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| 18:38.42 | JeffM | ð§ |
| 18:39.07 | JeffM | I guess it shows if I copy and paste it |
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