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| 02:10.07 | macsforme | JeffM, what's the problem with Windows 10 on your mac? |
| 02:15.21 | macsforme | anyone else have an unstable framerate on Windows when vsync is on? mine varies from 55-58 or so, while under macOS it's a stable 59 |
| 02:20.39 | JeffM | macsforme: it's too old and 10 isn't on the list of supported windowssses |
| 02:20.43 | JeffM | But I'll try it anyway |
| 02:21.22 | macsforme | yeah, don't listen to any of that |
| 02:21.44 | JeffM | That's what my IT guy said when I asked him |
| 02:21.50 | JeffM | I'll try it in the morning |
| 02:22.26 | blast007 | macsforme: mine is usually on 59 but I did see it drop to 58 and 57 several times |
| 02:22.59 | macsforme | and I wouldn't use bootcamp... you should be able to shrink the partition under recovery mode, then just hold down option and boot directly into the installer (EFI mode preferably, if it's available) |
| 02:23.23 | JeffM | I have no choice, it's not my machine and boot camp is what IT wants to do |
| 02:23.36 | macsforme | blast007, okay... when I turn vsync off I get like 300-400, so it's weird |
| 02:23.57 | JeffM | macsforme:it could be the QPC code windows does for timers |
| 02:24.05 | JeffM | It's not awesome |
| 02:24.32 | macsforme | that would affect vsync? |
| 02:24.42 | JeffM | It could cause the measurement to read wrong |
| 02:24.51 | JeffM | Make it report that it missed a frame when it didn't |
| 02:25.28 | JeffM | The clock can drift and bounce around a little, and that can affect the math that computes the FPS that is displayed |
| 02:25.39 | macsforme | ah |
| 02:26.05 | JeffM | It changes the other side of the division :) |
| 02:31.25 | blast007 | I was gonna test on my othe system, but that renders at 300 to 600 regardless of my vsync setting :P |
| 02:31.30 | blast007 | other* |
| 02:34.26 | macsforme | JeffM, if you use the bootcamp tool you may be limited to what versions of Windows that Apple thinks that machine can support |
| 02:34.36 | macsforme | just to keep in mind that if it fails, there is an alternative |
| 02:35.37 | blast007 | changing from g-sync to ULMB did the trick. runs at 143 or 144 then, didn't see it drop below. |
| 02:36.55 | JeffM | At that update the qpc jitter may keep it under a rounding tolerance |
| 02:37.56 | blast007 | getting similar FPS on that system as I am on my dev system... that's somewhat sad |
| 02:38.34 | JeffM | ð©ð¼âð |
| 02:38.35 | blast007 | probably means I'm CPU bound |
| 02:38.45 | JeffM | or bus |
| 02:39.09 | blast007 | as in, the PCIe bandwidth? |
| 02:39.28 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:39.43 | JeffM | but probalablyu CPU |
| 02:40.14 | blast007 | cuz the other system is PCIe 3 vs 2, DDR4 vs DDR3 |
| 02:40.37 | JeffM | Yeah then CPU or bzflag does too many cache flushes |
| 02:41.39 | blast007 | oh, right, I'm also running at a higher resolution. |
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| 21:12.52 | JeffM | macsforme: do you think it'd work if I used bootcamp to put 8.1 on then upgrade that to 10? |
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| 22:05.25 | macsforme | JeffM, possibly... what's the specific issue with installing 10 directly? |
| 22:05.39 | JeffM | booktcamp won't let me pick it |
| 22:07.33 | macsforme | if you already have an install CD or USB key (and you don't need bootcamp to create one from an ISO), and you reboot holding option, you should see one or both of "Windows" and "EFI Boot" as options... you should be able to boot directly into the installer from there |
| 22:08.08 | JeffM | resize the partition beforehand? |
| 22:08.15 | macsforme | you may just not be able to install Apple's drivers, although you could make a driver disk for 8.1 and try it |
| 22:08.22 | macsforme | yeah |
| 22:13.31 | macsforme | if you install in BIOS emulation mode (selecting "Windows") when you hold down option, you will probably need to use the bootcamp utility just to resize the disk (it converts it to a hybrid MBR/GPT partition layout)... if you install in EFI mode (generally better if available), you can use any GPT disk utility to make space for it |
| 22:16.13 | JeffM | I resized the partion with the disk too |
| 22:16.25 | JeffM | then it locked up in bios mode, trying efi mode |
| 23:02.58 | JeffM | infobot: seen timriker |
| 23:02.59 | infobot | timriker <~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #infobot, 35d 17h 37s ago, saying: 'possible.'. |
| 23:40.49 | JeffM | over a month not on IRC..... |
| 23:47.29 | blast007 | December 20th, actually. I think ibot only bases it on messages, not joins. |
| 23:47.43 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 23:47.46 | blast007 | which is still over 3 weeks |