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| 03:56.40 | the_map | bzflag should support vim bindings for chat |
| 04:15.13 | blast007 | and then instead of /quit it would be :q |
| 04:32.23 | macsforme | We didn't invent IRC... We perfected it. |
| 04:33.43 | KaadmY | :q! |
| 04:34.03 | KaadmY | the only vi command i know is `esc esc :q!` |
| 04:37.54 | the_map | I was going to ask if maybe you wanted to save the file before quitting, but if you don't know vi then you'd probably leave the file a mess if you saved :P |
| 04:38.20 | KaadmY | i actually have no idea how to save in vi :D |
| 04:40.30 | the_map | :w |
| 04:40.41 | the_map | think "write to file" |
| 04:41.44 | KaadmY | what about :3 ;) |
| 04:42.04 | KaadmY | conspiracy: vi is designed to make everyone spam emoji in chat rooms |
| 04:45.59 | BulletCatcher | protip: vi's Ex mode (just run it as "ex") is reasonably compatible with "ed". |
| 04:47.35 | the_map | I'm pretty good (for some measurements) in emacs, and I can use vi/vim pretty painlessly, but I have trouble with nano :/ |
| 04:47.50 | the_map | idk I've ever used ed |
| 04:49.35 | BulletCatcher | ed is much like Ex mode in vi. :-p |
| 04:50.14 | the_map | ...thanks :P |
| 04:51.04 | allejo | if anyone's bored and wants to test something, http://projects.allejo.io/bzflagPluginStarter2/ |
| 04:51.06 | allejo | <3 |
| 04:51.49 | allejo | the "if statement" for event handling isn't done yet |
| 04:51.56 | allejo | under code settings |
| 04:52.30 | the_map | right...this is just a sneaky way to make us write plugins! |
| 04:53.00 | allejo | :p |
| 04:54.13 | the_map | "disable comments"? |
| 04:54.24 | allejo | oh yea, haven't written that part yet either |
| 04:55.38 | the_map | if it's not too much work, being able to do a horizontal split instead would be cool |
| 04:57.18 | the_map | the page looks nice and clean |
| 05:02.12 | allejo | i thought about a horizontal split but for sections like the event selection (which is long) may not turn out nice or have enough room on smaller screens |
| 05:29.52 | allejo | events work with if statements now |
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| 10:25.54 | allejo | does having an "antiLagKick" group permission seem reasonable? lag kicks respect "antikick" but what if you don't want to grant antikick |
| 12:40.38 | blast007 | allejo: what about jitter and packet loss kicks? |
| 12:54.14 | the_map | there's a packet loss kick? |
| 12:54.25 | blast007 | yep |
| 12:54.40 | blast007 | also idle kick |
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| 16:58.34 | macsforme | in what scenario would such a feature be useful? |
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| 18:01.41 | spldart | Wow. Maybe it's cuz I exclusively run Linux on my machines ('most' of them 64 bit) But I hadn't realized major software companies were phasing out there 32 bit support already. *springs another grey hair* |
| 18:02.57 | KaadmY | google dropped support for 32-bit on the chrome builds early last year |
| 18:03.23 | spldart | yep yep |
| 18:03.25 | JeffM | my company droped 32 bit builds over a year ago |
| 18:03.43 | spldart | So time really is flying that fast?! |
| 18:04.30 | KaadmY | i finally switched to a 64-bit OS a couple months ago |
| 18:04.36 | KaadmY | started getting frustrating |
| 18:04.50 | JeffM | 64 bit support was added over 10 years ago |
| 18:05.04 | JeffM | at least on the intel side |
| 18:05.16 | JeffM | really it's just old or weak heardware that is 32 bit only |
| 18:06.04 | JeffM | apple went 64 bit only a while ago |
| 18:06.17 | spldart | Yeah. Well. Still some life left in some of these 'ole gals' |
| 18:06.30 | spldart | Guess I'll suck it up and walk it off :/ |
| 18:06.30 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:06.59 | JeffM | windows 10 is probalby the last windows version to offer a 32 build, I'm sure at some point they'll stop updating 32 bit ones |
| 18:07.46 | spldart | Now I definitely didn't know that. A few work rigs got updated to Win 10. I assumed 10 was a 64 only release. |
| 18:08.04 | JeffM | looks like ubuntu will be slowly desupporting 32 bit too |
| 18:08.41 | JeffM | windows 10 will install 64 bit if the hardware supports it, and most hardware suports it... |
| 18:08.55 | JeffM | so a 32 bit install is rare these days |
| 18:08.56 | KaadmY | who cares about ubuntu anyway |
| 18:09.10 | JeffM | gentoo or nothing? |
| 18:09.44 | spldart | Quick query... and I think I know the answer... I can't just grab source code and compile it for 32 bit operation can I. The peeps that wrote the source have to build in 32 and 64 bit compilability... if that's even a word ?_? |
| 18:09.59 | JeffM | depends |
| 18:10.14 | JeffM | most source code compiles fine on ether arch |
| 18:10.33 | JeffM | but there are a few sepecific 64 bit only things that could be done |
| 18:10.48 | JeffM | like bzflag, same code on both archetectures |
| 18:11.42 | JeffM | if you use a 64 bit data type on 32 bit, it just takes 2 registers to process it. If you use a 32 bit data type on 64 bit, it can shove 2 of them into some of the registers |
| 18:11.59 | JeffM | so it all works, the compiler just changes how the CPU processes it |
| 18:12.31 | JeffM | but like if your app needs to use more than 2 gigs of ram, it could require 64 bit, so it gets 64 bit addresses. |
| 18:13.07 | JeffM | or 4 gig depending on how you wrote your stuff :) |
| 18:13.32 | spldart | So perhaps some hit and miss 32 bit support if I'm willing to build from source anything I might want. Assuming the source is open of course. |
| 18:13.50 | JeffM | 64 bit systems support running 32 bit apps |
| 18:14.00 | JeffM | a lot of programs are still 32 bit |
| 18:14.14 | JeffM | you don't HAVE to build 64 bit on a 64 bit OS |
| 18:14.39 | spldart | yeah... but old hardware that is still useful but 32 bit kernel... |
| 18:14.42 | JeffM | 64 bit app on 64 bit OS just has access to more ram |
| 18:15.04 | JeffM | if the CPU only supports 32 bit code, then the OS must be 32 bit and the program compiled for 32 bit |
| 18:15.13 | JeffM | 32 bit OS can't run 64 bit code |
| 18:15.30 | JeffM | but 64 bit OS can run 32 bit code, 32 bit code is a subset of the 64 bit address space. |
| 18:15.51 | spldart | yep... I just need to ditch my old netbook soon. |
| 18:16.15 | JeffM | old atom? |
| 18:16.23 | spldart | yeppers |
| 18:16.44 | spldart | Been reliable as heck for years but yeah... 32 |
| 18:17.35 | spldart | I like the mini laptop layout and full operating system over a large tablet. |
| 18:17.41 | spldart | Guess I need to shop. |
| 18:18.07 | KaadmY | multiarch is still a pain to deal with |
| 18:19.46 | JeffM | WoW64 handles it fine for me :) |
| 18:20.34 | JeffM | spldart: if you are ok with intel onboard, there are a LOT of cheap ass laptops/ 2 in ones |
| 18:21.00 | spldart | Gotta be a mini form factor |
| 18:21.12 | JeffM | 8 inch? |
| 18:21.24 | spldart | somewhere around there |
| 18:21.30 | JeffM | http://www.frys.com/product/9037367?site=cemail010817 |
| 18:22.12 | JeffM | there is even a promo code that makes it like 90$ |
| 18:22.36 | spldart | If that could take linux I'm very seriously considering |
| 18:22.48 | JeffM | you sould be able to look up it's specs |
| 18:22.59 | JeffM | there are a bunch of options like that |
| 18:23.01 | spldart | googling right now |
| 18:23.08 | JeffM | cheapass little computers are a dime a dozen these days |
| 18:23.41 | spldart | Hrm... Are they as durable as my asus has been o_O heh |
| 18:23.50 | JeffM | probably not |
| 18:23.59 | spldart | :) |
| 18:24.06 | JeffM | you get what you pay for |
| 18:24.21 | spldart | Always very true. |
| 18:32.42 | spldart | After some research. I think I need to spend more money elsewhere ;) |
| 18:32.59 | spldart | Though.. Thanks for the link and suggestion. |
| 18:33.07 | JeffM | yeah it was just a sample |
| 18:33.15 | JeffM | I get adds from them all the time |
| 18:33.16 | spldart | I'm poking around with some renewed interest. |
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| 19:03.21 | blast007 | short_circuit: if you're on Linux, you want to be playing 64-bit BZFlag anyway |
| 19:03.54 | blast007 | afaik, 32-bit builds still have collision detections bugs that result in you getting stuck in some teleporters, for instance |
| 19:05.03 | short_circuit | I believe I am. What caught my attention was other software removing support for 32. Besides. I don't play on my netbook. I assume my git pull and build on this machine and work would have automagically built for 64 arch |
| 19:17.00 | KaadmY | blast007: using a bzflag on a 32bit system shouldn't affect your decision to switch to 64bit :D |
| 19:45.04 | blast007 | KaadmY: depends if you want to play or just look at a bright yellow screen |
| 19:45.09 | KaadmY | ;) |
| 19:49.28 | short_circuit | at least I found a deb i386 for ver 48 to install over my 47. |
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| 22:42.00 | short_circuit | How do you talk at one specific person in client ? |
| 22:42.23 | short_circuit | n = all, m = team, ? = whathisname |
| 22:43.30 | Zehra | https://wiki.bzflag.org/Message |
| 22:43.58 | Zehra | according to this use a "." to send to individual |
| 22:44.10 | short_circuit | dot arrows.. thanks XD |
| 22:44.23 | Zehra | yw ;) |
| 22:44.30 | short_circuit | been a while |
| 22:45.13 | Zehra | we all get rusty if we don't practice for a bit |
| 22:45.25 | Zehra | so it's happened to me a lot ;P |
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| 22:54.39 | blast007 | there's also /msg |
| 23:32.38 | short_circuit | thankies |
| 23:39.54 | the_map | short_circuit: if you use a comma instead of a period, it defaults to the last person to shoot you or the last person you've right-click identified |
| 23:45.00 | short_circuit | kk |
| 23:48.54 | allejo | macsforme, blast007, oops i meant antiIdleKick instead of lag kick. i was just thinking to prevent admins from being idle kicked if they have something to take care of but still be kicked if they go nr e.g. |