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| 20:36.31 | JeffM | macsforme: http://venturebeat.com/2016/11/16/microsoft-announces-visual-studio-for-mac-preview-of-the-next-sql-server-with-linux-and-docker-support/ ;) |
| 20:37.03 | JeffM | I hope they port the debugger :) |
| 20:38.43 | allejo | oh my god... |
| 20:39.19 | allejo | if that VS port is as solid as VS for windows... I would lose my shrimp |
| 20:40.19 | blast007 | the VS for Mac sounds like it's based on (or a rebranded version of) Xamarin Studio |
| 20:40.40 | JeffM | probably |
| 20:40.48 | JeffM | so it's probalby just for .net dev |
| 20:41.05 | JeffM | but still an interesting development |
| 20:41.09 | blast007 | C# and F#, according to a HN comment |
| 20:41.25 | JeffM | then that'd be the .nets :) |
| 20:41.36 | JeffM | if they ported system.windows.forms to native OSX that'd be sweet |
| 20:41.59 | blast007 | but what about the Visual Basics - how are all the colleges supposed to teach the mac users? ;) |
| 20:42.07 | allejo | I would have prepared if it were based on an intellij IDE :( |
| 20:42.47 | JeffM | visual basic .net is a thin wraper around C#, |
| 20:43.00 | JeffM | you can paste VB.net code into a translator and get C# code out |
| 20:43.54 | blast007 | I was putting CSGL into my VB.NET app back in '05 so I could spin a box |
| 20:44.25 | JeffM | I did my entire "visual programing " course that used vb.net in C# and just translated the results before I turned it in |
| 20:44.28 | blast007 | might have even got a BZFlag tank model in there at one point |
| 20:44.44 | JeffM | and showed the instructor how to serialize to XML in one line of code :) |
| 20:50.19 | JeffM | I bet slashdot will have a field day with that news article |
| 20:51.26 | blast007 | most of the top articles on Hacker News earlier today was about various Microsoft things, like they becoming a Linux Foundation Platinum member and Google joining the .NET Foundation |
| 20:51.35 | blast007 | like them* |
| 20:52.00 | JeffM | that's gotta piss some people off |
| 20:54.29 | blast007 | I think most of them there are a bit more level headed than say, Slashdot (where it seems more important to comment quickly or write something funny) |
| 20:55.00 | blast007 | Microsoft is a big company, and some parts of it are great, and some parts of it suck, and other parts are plain evil |
| 20:55.32 | allejo | i'm enjoying the open sourcing parts of it |
| 20:56.32 | blast007 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12967966 |
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| 21:54.34 | JeffM | blast007: so if I'm sending action=LIST&vesion={0}&callsign={1}&pasword={2} to https://my.bzflag.org/db/ as a POST, what does it mean if the responce doesn't have a token message at all, no error, just a list of servers? |
| 21:54.58 | JeffM | I did just see I spelled version wrong :) |
| 21:55.30 | blast007 | does that fix it? |
| 21:55.36 | JeffM | nope |
| 21:55.45 | JeffM | responce starts with first server |
| 21:56.05 | JeffM | if I use the webform it works |
| 21:56.06 | blast007 | what versiona are you passing? |
| 21:56.09 | JeffM | tries postman |
| 21:56.22 | blast007 | version* |
| 21:56.30 | JeffM | "BZFS0221"; |
| 22:00.23 | JeffM | yay... tokens! |
| 22:01.38 | JeffM | thanks |
| 22:01.42 | blast007 | np |
| 22:23.22 | JeffM | I'll have to see if I can send chat messages tonight |
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| 23:04.32 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Thatâs funny. I go on a tear about Microsoft and I get called a used car salesman. <shrug> Live and learn, I guess. |
| 23:07.16 | Zehra | here's how Windows is |
| 23:07.32 | Zehra | system updating...... |
| 23:07.48 | Zehra | update failed... please restart computer |
| 23:08.10 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Well, Z, yes and no. |
| 23:08.18 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Build it yourself and ignore HCLs, yes. |
| 23:08.31 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Build it yourself (or buy from Reputable) and ahdere to HCLs, no. |
| 23:08.54 | The_Hand_of_Mike | (by and large, YMMV, IANAL, EIEIO, etc) |
| 23:09.29 | Zehra | the updates have kind of gotten better Mike |
| 23:09.47 | The_Hand_of_Mike | You get the exact same behaviour with a Hackintosh, or a Linux box with mismatched CL memory, or mismatched-stepped CPUSâ¦you get the idea |
| 23:10.10 | Zehra | kind of |
| 23:10.12 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Point being: an hour of homework will save a day of troubleshooting, no matter what OS/system you are partial to |
| 23:10.38 | Zehra | so true |
| 23:18.40 | JeffM | maybe MS is moving into the mac becuse they see apple is trying to kill it |
| 23:19.03 | JeffM | 512GB is enough for ANYONE! |
| 23:19.07 | JeffM | forevar |
| 23:24.00 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Other than my Asus Z10PE-D8 motherboard, whatâs limited to 512GB? |
| 23:24.13 | JeffM | I mean on the new macbooks |
| 23:24.20 | The_Hand_of_Mike | oh no kidding? |
| 23:24.21 | JeffM | apple wired the SSD directly into the mobo |
| 23:24.31 | JeffM | what you buy is what you get forevar |
| 23:24.34 | The_Hand_of_Mike | oh, yeah, no, that is very IBM of them, youâre right |
| 23:24.57 | The_Hand_of_Mike | as you can see, I have a fear of running out of DDR4 |
| 23:25.00 | The_Hand_of_Mike | :-) |
| 23:26.06 | JeffM | the ram is soldered on too |
| 23:26.46 | JeffM | the 13 inch got an iFixit score of 1 |
| 23:27.37 | The_Hand_of_Mike | yeah, Iâm all done buying Apple products |
| 23:27.39 | JeffM | power switch is tied to the touchbar, so if you break your power switch, get a new logic board |
| 23:27.55 | allejo | but. THIN! |
| 23:28.02 | JeffM | I'd buy a mac mini if they updated it |
| 23:28.16 | The_Hand_of_Mike | to be fair, Iâm still using my 2009 iMac, and the only other mac I owned prior to that was a 17â PowerBook, bought in 2004 |
| 23:28.35 | The_Hand_of_Mike | but this business of forcing a formatâ¦not for me. |
| 23:28.55 | The_Hand_of_Mike | and if you have time, I will regale you on how iTunes STOLE 392 albums from me |
| 23:29.05 | The_Hand_of_Mike | earlier this year |
| 23:29.25 | JeffM | thats why I swaped to amazon music long ago |
| 23:29.35 | JeffM | not prefect but it has a better track record |
| 23:29.39 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Iâve got all the big-4, but iTunes was the oldest |
| 23:30.00 | The_Hand_of_Mike | when I was depoloyed, we could get iTunes pretty much at any FOB |
| 23:30.07 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Amazon not as often |
| 23:30.28 | The_Hand_of_Mike | now iTunes is a joke |
| 23:31.01 | The_Hand_of_Mike | you canât have individual behaviour per-playlist anymore, thereâs no way to sort playlists easily, you canât customize the columnsâ¦the list goes on ad nauseum |
| 23:43.17 | JeffM | I just remember the days of not upgrading the hard drive in your mac, because nobody sold SCSI drives. I guess they are trying to get back to that. |
| 23:44.21 | The_Hand_of_Mike | I never had that problem; SCSI was always easier to find than the legacy RLL and MFM crap tht was still in service |
| 23:44.42 | The_Hand_of_Mike | but I see your point |