IRC log for #bzflag on 20160626

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04:50.21BZnotify[13bzflag] 15blast007 pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02https://git.io/vo9Na
04:50.21BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 147f6c113 15Scott Wichser: Update plugin documentation for keepaway, koth, and timedctf.
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05:10.06blast007so what do we want to call 2.4.6?
05:11.10allejoOctoFlag
05:13.48blast007why OctoFlag?
05:13.58allejo"We're One Big Tank Family" because of reproducible builds?
05:15.02allejooops, miscounted. would have been the 9th tag in the 2.4.x branch
05:17.38blast0072.4.6 "Eight, Our Codebase Is Quite Overweight"
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05:21.10the_mapyeah, two four six eight seems good
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05:30.45BZnotify[13bzflag] 15blast007 pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02https://git.io/vo9A3
05:30.45BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 14ba68713 15Scott Wichser: Update the ChangeLog in preparation for release.
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05:45.59macsforme~blast007++
05:46.07macsformethe name is perfect
05:56.00the_mapif you dropped "quite", the meter would be perfect
06:05.33macsformeyeah, even better
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14:58.33blast0072.4.6 "Eight, The Splines We Will Reticulate"
15:05.00blast007(for those unfortunate souls that haven't played SimCity or The Sims, http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Reticulating_splines  )
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15:59.26BZnotify[13bzflag] 15blast007 pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02https://git.io/voHsX
15:59.26BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 14a4f6f6e 15Scott Wichser: Fix typo.
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16:22.19the_maplol, love commits like that
16:36.00blast007man, if we had thought about it sooner, we could have done a BZFlag 2.0.0.0 "Reticulating Splines"
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17:41.29JeffMblast007: the entire 2.0 release process was messed up :)
17:41.44blast007true
17:41.48JeffM"2.0, because we can't figure out how to fix CVS"
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20:01.18KaadmYtrying to build up a high-res texture pack for bzflag :P
20:01.26KaadmYie. 1024x1024
20:01.36KaadmYwhereas the current brick texture was 64x64 iirc
20:03.45blast007we have a mix of 512, 256, 128, 64, and a single 32
20:04.13KaadmYyea
20:04.41KaadmYabove around 128 is still better than the current ones :P
20:04.53KaadmYi'm downscaling the hires images to 512
20:04.56blast007would be nice to have some as SVGs so that we can render out sizes as necessary
20:05.30KaadmYooh
20:05.31blast007plus, an SVG would probably please Debian more as a "source" than a PNG would
20:05.36KaadmYboxwall.png is 128x128
20:24.51KaadmYhires textures look nice :)
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20:31.24echelonJeffM: my fps is 29-30
20:31.58echelondoes that qualify for a low fps cheat?
20:32.02KaadmYechelon: about the same
20:33.12KaadmY~28-34 fps on the "super server" server
20:33.59echelonhmm
20:34.08blast007echelon: do you have Energy Saver turned on?
20:34.14echelonnope
20:35.03KaadmYblast007: energy saver is either fps limit or vsync
20:35.17echeloni have very smooth game play
20:35.19KaadmYvsync usually is 60hz with this display, fps limit is 60
20:35.24KaadmYnever reach either limit
20:37.39the_mapmaybe turn the quality down a little?
20:37.49the_mapor close unused applications
20:38.07the_mapif I'm running certain programs it can drop my FPS down to 5-10
20:38.22KaadmYthe_map: which settings? all lowest atm
20:38.29the_mapoh
20:38.35KaadmYah
20:38.36KaadmYnvm
20:38.44KaadmYhad lighting on(50 fps now)
20:38.54KaadmYand even 50 is still not reaching any fps caps
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20:45.42blast007what GPU is that?
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21:00.42blast007My Intel 855GM with a 1.6GHz Pentium M can get 30 to 90 FPS on LouMan's Churchyard at 640x480 with most settings turned up (lighting and shadows turned off, quality at high).
21:00.58blast007that's a low end laptop from 2006
21:02.19blast007that GPU only supports OpenGL 1.1  :P
21:03.00blast007I don't understand how people are still trying to play 3D games on a system like that
21:03.15KaadmYme?
21:03.22KaadmYi play 1440x900(native res)
21:03.42KaadmYtried 640x480, it's a bit faster but i prefer less pixels :)
21:03.50KaadmYless noticeable pixels*
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21:25.55blast007KaadmY: what GPU?
21:26.16KaadmYblast007: checking right now
21:26.18KaadmYlenovo x300
21:26.23KaadmYchecking the gpu
21:26.59KaadmYrenderer is "Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM x86/MMX/SSE2"
21:27.00blast007Intel GS965
21:27.12KaadmYi assume that's it
21:29.57blast007that CPU is pretty weak too, if it's the same as the one I'm seeing in specs.  Showing a 1.2GHz low voltage Core 2 Duo
21:30.11KaadmYyeeep
21:30.28KaadmY"Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     L7100  @ 1.20GHz"
21:30.36blast007single threaded rating less than my Pentium M   http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=958&cmp%5B%5D=1158
21:34.34blast007one of my pocket sized mini PC beats it into the ground... :P
21:36.00blast007but hey, in single-threaded performance, you're still beating a tablet class Intel Atom
21:37.30KaadmYi assume the Intel Atom is really slow? :P
21:38.57blast007it has trouble with youtube
21:40.05KaadmYi do too :(
21:50.26blast007getting 20 to 35 FPS in louman's churchard on that atom system on Louman's Churchyard
21:50.49KaadmYi get ~15 on that map
21:50.53KaadmY15-20ish
21:51.04blast007if I turn off rain, that jumps to 45 to 75
21:51.06KaadmYbtw RAS syndrome
21:51.12KaadmYi always have rain off
21:51.29blast007maybe you need to turn the graphical settings back up
21:51.43KaadmYi also use "experimental" mode, last i checked it was about the same speed as high
21:51.45blast007some of the lower settings actually run slower on some systems
21:51.54KaadmYblast007: like which settings?
21:52.18blast007like quality (keep it high or experimental), keep smoothing and blending on
21:52.24KaadmYalready done
21:52.34KaadmYlow is actually slightly faster
21:52.43KaadmYprobably no skydome
21:53.49blast007a $170 pocket sized PC is beating your laptop ;)
21:54.46blast007does seem limited to 1080p output though, sadly
21:54.47KaadmYthe cost of this laptop beats the pocket PC tho
21:54.48KaadmY$0
22:02.31blast007seems they even have $50 HDMI sticks with that same Atom SoC in them, though only 1GB RAM and 8GB built-in storage
22:19.53blast007so, what do we want to call this release?
22:30.44KaadmYblast007: which release, 2.4.6?
22:30.50blast007yeah
22:32.12the_map2.4.6 "eight, for 3.0 we just cant wait!"
22:32.34KaadmYeight..?
22:33.10blast007KaadmY: two four six eight :P
22:39.47KaadmYah :P
22:39.50KaadmYdidn't see that
22:40.01KaadmYwas thinking along the lines of 2+4+6 :D
22:40.11KaadmY=8
23:19.53the_mapwait, 2+4+6 does equal 8
23:20.22RoscoePColtrainin what base?
23:20.56the_mapOH¯
23:21.06the_mapwait, no
23:21.12the_mapN⁺
23:21.17RoscoePColtraintake all the time you need
23:21.31the_mapchem was *not* my strongest subject :P
23:21.43the_mapNa⁺
23:23.08the_mapoh, apparently NaOH is a base
23:23.35RoscoePColtrainyou majored in pharmacy, then?
23:23.38the_mapand here I thought that I wouldn't ever need chem in comp. sci.
23:23.46the_mapturns out I need it for IRC :P
23:23.56the_mapRoscoePColtrain: CS
23:24.17RoscoePColtrainso when I ask what base, you go to chemistry?
23:24.37RoscoePColtrainI was figuring drugs were involved
23:24.51the_mapuh...
23:24.53the_mapno...
23:25.03the_mapno matter how you meant that
23:25.08RoscoePColtrainlol
23:25.31RoscoePColtrainusually CS folks think base-2, base-8, base-16 (and in rare cases, base-10)
23:25.33the_mapI was trying to make a chem joke, but it failed due to my ineptitude in that area
23:25.54the_mapyeah, I knew what bases you were referring to
23:26.50the_mapyou know, with english we could support base 32
23:28.53the_mapanyway, back to the point, if you imagine that those numbers (2, 4, and 6) are the magnitudes of vectors, connected end to end, not in a straight line segment, then they could form the endpoints of a vector with magnitude 8
23:29.39blast007so, a name for the release...  :P
23:29.53RoscoePColtrainthey could form a vector with the magnitude of anything you wanted
23:30.03macsformeEight, Our Codebase is Overweight
23:30.11blast007really?  :P
23:30.13the_maphttp://static.buzznet.com/uploads/2011/11/msg-132210341421.jpg
23:30.18the_mapVector! :P
23:30.28macsformeyes, it's quite appropriate
23:30.49the_mapmore seriously, yeah, I think the "overweight" name is good
23:38.51blast007typical American codebase
23:39.09RoscoePColtrainflying pig
23:39.38blast007RoscoePColtrain: no no, it was a cow launcher, not a pig launcher
23:40.05RoscoePColtrainI was thinking more of "when pigs fly"
23:40.16blast007what about when pigs fly?
23:40.26RoscoePColtrainthe next 2.x release :)
23:40.27the_mapof course, if anyone asks about the name of the release, we're going to have to say that "overweight" was inspired by blast
23:41.14the_map<<kierra>>2.4.4 "Its better with bacon"
23:41.20the_mapthat's still a good suggestion :)
23:41.24blast007heh
23:42.06the_mapwait, is this the release that fixes the AMD issues?
23:42.20the_mapif so, <<blast007>>"I hate AMD"
23:42.40the_mapyour suggestion for the 2.4.4 release name

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