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| 17:44.08 | alpha1-2 | Hi, quick question for a quick answer: has anybody else had problems with some commands (like /savemsgs or /roampos) putting them into quickkeys, resulting they don't working ("Unknown command")? I don't know why but some of them seem not to work. (Ver. 2.4.0). |
| 17:59.48 | the_map | alpha1-2: never tried it, so no; for a more relevant answer, you might have to wait a while for someone else to catch your message |
| 18:00.37 | alpha1-2 | the_map: coud you please check it in any more modern version, for example: putting just "/roampos" (w/o quot. marks) in any quickkey to see what happens? |
| 18:00.42 | alpha1-2 | could* |
| 18:01.05 | the_map | ok, let me figure it out |
| 18:02.03 | alpha1-2 | into the menu, Options/Input settings/Change Key Mapping/Define Quick Keys/ |
| 18:02.13 | the_map | thanks, I found it |
| 18:05.21 | the_map | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.46 | alpha1-2 | can you use it normally? |
| 18:06.59 | the_map | I can't use any of the "send to all" quickkeys because ubuntu picks up the alt+Function keypresses |
| 18:07.09 | the_map | yeah, I can do the /forceradar normally |
| 18:07.18 | alpha1-2 | what version? |
| 18:07.26 | the_map | 2.4.4 RC2 |
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| 18:07.55 | alpha1-2 | okay, thanks. It seems some of the commands work, tho. Dunno why |
| 18:08.08 | the_map | got it with roampos too |
| 18:08.14 | alpha1-2 | okay |
| 18:08.36 | alpha1-2 | for example I use it for "/kill" one, and works |
| 18:09.21 | alpha1-2 | "/flag" and "/countdown" also work |
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| 18:16.22 | alpha1-2 | "alt+Function keypresses" even with fullscreen mode? |
| 18:31.15 | alpha1-2 | the_map? |
| 18:31.28 | alpha1-2 | are you lost? ;) |
| 18:31.43 | alpha1-2 | "are you lost"?* |
| 18:32.15 | alezakos | alpha1-2: I presume this issue is happening on both 2.4.0 and 2.4.4RC2 and generally any BZFlag version |
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| 18:33.01 | alezakos | The reason this happens is that Quick Keys are not supposed to send commands, but chat messages |
| 18:33.37 | alezakos | but the bzflag server parses any chat message starting with / as a command and executes it |
| 18:34.19 | alpha1-2 | why do you think it is supposed not to execute comands? |
| 18:35.16 | alezakos | So when you press the Quick Key for "/showperms", you tell the server that you want to send the message "/showperms" |
| 18:35.43 | alezakos | the server parses it as a command, and shows you your permissions |
| 18:35.48 | the_map | alpha1-2: I was afk; I gtg |
| 18:36.07 | alpha1-2 | because it says "send to all" and "send to team"? |
| 18:36.12 | alpha1-2 | okay map bye |
| 18:36.28 | alezakos | On the other hand, commands like /forceradar, /roampos, /diff, /savemsgs are client-only commands and the server won't understand them |
| 18:36.44 | alezakos | If you run them on BZAdmin you'll get the same error |
| 18:37.18 | alpha1-2 | aahh might be... good observation |
| 18:37.32 | alezakos | again, the real bug here is that you can run server commands from quick keys, normally you would just be able to send chat messages |
| 18:38.09 | alpha1-2 | but you understand this just because it says "send to all" and "send to team"? |
| 18:38.32 | alezakos | and no, it doesn't matter whether you send to the team or to everyone, you're still sending a message that will be parsed as a command if it's a command |
| 18:39.08 | alpha1-2 | well, you are guessing then, maybe it was the first intention too |
| 18:39.21 | alpha1-2 | people use it this way |
| 18:39.40 | alpha1-2 | but client commands not working seems a good observation |
| 18:40.04 | alezakos | I'm not guessing anything, you can check the code to see for yourself :) |
| 18:40.05 | alezakos | https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag |
| 18:40.19 | alpha1-2 | I asked you several times |
| 18:40.34 | alpha1-2 | then the code says it |
| 18:41.08 | alezakos | that's also why doing /msg someone /showperms will not send a message to someone but show you your perms |
| 18:41.30 | alpha1-2 | just wondered also why ubuntu would handle alt+keys events, but map left |
| 18:42.30 | alpha1-2 | ah other commands like roampos dont work properly like that too |
| 18:42.44 | alpha1-2 | if I want to send my view to other client |
| 18:43.26 | alpha1-2 | then you think chat is not ready to handle all the commands properly? |
| 18:43.36 | alpha1-2 | or command console |
| 18:44.03 | alpha1-2 | or is it more how every command is made? |
| 18:45.09 | alezakos | I'm only saying that Quick Keys won't accept client commands, the console works properly |
| 18:45.56 | alpha1-2 | okay, but I never was able to send my roampos to other client (by "send"), tho. Type "/roampos" and see the help |
| 18:46.09 | alpha1-2 | I suppose it's buggy |
| 18:46.46 | alezakos | //roampos |
| 18:47.00 | alpha1-2 | ino client |
| 18:47.02 | alpha1-2 | into |
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| 18:48.08 | alpha1-2 | and don't give silly teen's arguments ;) |
| 18:49.10 | alpha1-2 | what linux do you use? ubuntu? |
| 18:50.11 | alezakos | yes |
| 18:50.42 | alpha1-2 | can yo utest if alt+keys work in fullscreen? |
| 18:51.12 | alezakos | they do |
| 18:51.36 | alpha1-2 | BZ alt+keys or ubuntu ones? |
| 18:51.48 | alezakos | the former |
| 18:52.49 | alpha1-2 | are you saying riddles? |
| 18:54.24 | alezakos | Imagine this conversation: |
| 18:54.24 | alezakos | - "What would you like to eat? Toast or bacon?" |
| 18:54.25 | alezakos | - "I'd like the former" |
| 18:54.25 | alezakos | This means that the person wants to eat the first one of the options, i.e. the toast |
| 18:54.25 | alezakos | If they replied "I'd like the latter", they'd prefer to eat bacon |
| 18:55.21 | alpha1-2 | ah thanks, I didn't know that meaning, I thought in the "classic" meaning |
| 18:55.35 | alezakos | :) |
| 18:55.42 | alpha1-2 | I would use "the first" instead |
| 18:56.03 | alpha1-2 | okay, the_map, they work in fullscreen, then |
| 18:56.22 | alpha1-2 | "the first ones"* |
| 18:58.47 | alezakos | Sorry for teaching you English :) |
| 18:59.07 | alpha1-2 | don't be smart ;) |
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| 19:11.20 | blast007 | alpha1-2: some commands are directly handled by the client without sending them to the server. These include /roampos and /forceradar. The quick keys directly send a message to the server, bypassing the client-side command parser. |
| 19:12.45 | alpha1-2 | ah thanks |
| 19:12.50 | blast007 | There's probably not a good reason to leave it like that, though. But at this point, we're in a feature freeze, so it would require an exception to get it added for 2.4.4. |
| 19:13.31 | blast007 | I'm not sure how complicated of a change it would require. Probably minimal, but we'd have to weigh the risk vs reward adding it this late in the release cycle. |
| 19:14.49 | alpha1-2 | ah no, no problem, just asking, not willing it to be fixed before the new release |
| 19:15.30 | alpha1-2 | it was an old doubt I had, and now checking it again |
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| 22:22.18 | blast007 | figured out why the client wasn't working on my XP system.. I had a hosts file entry for my.bzflag.org pointing to an old IP ;) |
| 22:22.23 | blast007 | ~lart blast007 |
| 22:22.23 | infobot | forces blast007 to use Outlook Express |
| 23:12.53 | kierra | ~lart blast007 |
| 23:12.53 | infobot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at blast007 |
| 23:13.04 | kierra | is helping infobot |