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| 00:14.36 | skylon7 | hello? |
| 00:14.40 | skylon7 | i need help |
| 00:15.44 | BulletCatcher | What kind of help? |
| 00:16.58 | skylon7 | in the game i get random caps |
| 00:17.14 | skylon7 | like It wILL ShOW Up liKe ThiS |
| 00:20.25 | BulletCatcher | i WaS tOo SlOw, I gUeSs. |
| 00:20.44 | the_map | if you backspace and retype the character, does it show up lowercase? |
| 00:21.20 | BulletCatcher | I was going to ask if that was in the text that players type or in the text displayed by the client itself (such as in menus). |
| 00:21.27 | allejo | is there a cat randomly hitting the caps look keey |
| 00:21.32 | the_map | also, do the uppercase letters happen in certain position? |
| 00:22.03 | the_map | yeah, maybe the cat plugged in another keyboard and is messing with you |
| 00:22.08 | alpha1-2 | into chat |
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| 00:23.18 | the_map | allejo: maybe your lowercase plugin decided to mess with the players :) |
| 00:23.47 | allejo | well... I did use a chat to cat API, so... maybe |
| 00:24.17 | the_map | a chat to cat API? |
| 00:24.38 | allejo | yea. converts regular human chat to something a cat would say |
| 00:25.34 | BulletCatcher | For example, "ours" becomes "meow". |
| 00:25.51 | the_map | what it would say as in what we would hear, or what it's thinking? |
| 00:26.18 | alpha1-2 | I have screenies, a moment |
| 00:27.45 | the_map | BulletCatcher: what is "theirs"? |
| 00:28.33 | BulletCatcher | Also "meow", I assume. |
| 00:28.49 | the_map | ... |
| 00:28.59 | allejo | lol |
| 00:29.08 | alpha1-2 | http://i.imgsafe.org/51c812c.png |
| 00:29.44 | the_map | well, that seems meow, meow meow meow difference meow meow? |
| 00:29.44 | alpha1-2 | and he said, at the end, "nobody is ON the chat" (with upper/lower cases OFC :P) |
| 00:29.50 | alpha1-2 | on* |
| 00:30.00 | the_map | allejo, you meow meow meow meow meow meow IRC?! |
| 00:30.19 | the_map | meow meow meow plugin |
| 00:30.30 | allejo | meow |
| 00:31.03 | alpha1-2 | and I saw it other day recently, not sure if the same player |
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| 00:32.15 | allejo | I don't think it's a real issue. probably has caps lock on and uses shift occassionally or the player's pinky randomly slams on the shift key while he types |
| 00:32.56 | the_map | I wonder if the keyboard has wiring/connection issues |
| 00:33.28 | the_map | depending on how he's using the keyboard while playing vs other times, he might be causing the issue to come up |
| 00:34.08 | blast007 | no way if knowing with the minimal amount of information that was provided |
| 00:34.24 | alpha1-2 | at the start I thought it was his style, but today... maybe he is joking, I don't know, it is very weird, I think I never saw it in my whole life :P |
| 00:34.26 | the_map | like if he's pounding on tab to jump, and jiggling the connections |
| 00:35.04 | the_map | allejo: maybe you could add to your plugin to auto lowercase his messages no matter what |
| 00:35.29 | the_map | I wonder if he could type in all caps by holding shift or engaging CL |
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| 16:41.12 | skylon7 | i need help |
| 16:41.23 | skylon7 | there is a problem with my chat... |
| 16:42.44 | skylon7 | whenever i type on the keyboard iT ShOWs RANDOm caPitaLIZeD LetTeRS LikE ThIS |
| 16:53.26 | Constitution | just in bzflag? |
| 17:23.32 | blast007 | skylon7: Which version of BZFlag? What operating system? Are you seeing this on every server you go to or just a specific server? |
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| 17:41.09 | alpha1-2 | Hello, I noted there is a player being a server admin/hoster (appearing in list server) which is not, apparently, a member of a group into forums. I saw he asked and got for his permissions into forums, but I see now that he has not other memberships that the default one. Are there new policies about this, maybe? Or just new hidden groups? (Or maybe he chose other user to administrate the site.) |
| 17:46.00 | blast007 | alpha1-2: I'm not quite sure waht you just said. You don't need global groups to host a server. |
| 17:46.11 | blast007 | what* |
| 17:47.21 | alpha1-2 | I am talking of "pie lovers", his servers appear in list server |
| 17:47.33 | blast007 | okay? |
| 17:48.05 | alpha1-2 | but he has not membership other than the default one (though he asked for and they gave them) |
| 17:48.22 | alpha1-2 | understand me? |
| 17:48.26 | blast007 | not at all |
| 17:49.10 | alpha1-2 | to appear into server list you have to be a member... aaahhh I got it :P |
| 17:49.18 | blast007 | a member of what? |
| 17:49.36 | blast007 | the *only* thing you need to have to host a server is a registered account and a server key |
| 17:49.36 | alpha1-2 | you need a hash number (ID) but not groups? |
| 17:49.53 | brad | alpha1-2: it's similar to a league server - you need to be in spawn group to play there |
| 17:50.02 | blast007 | and how would you even know if they *don't* have groups? you're not an admin, so you don't see all the groups |
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| 17:51.12 | alpha1-2 | ahh... then some new kind of hidden groups... 'cause I saw in the past PPL with their groups, but I suppose, then, they are not hidden |
| 17:51.27 | blast007 | nope, not new.. been that way from the start |
| 17:51.40 | blast007 | hidden groups have been possible for a long time |
| 17:52.17 | alpha1-2 | not even appearing into the list of groups of the administration panel of normal users? |
| 17:52.31 | blast007 | exactly |
| 17:52.57 | alpha1-2 | ah okay, then I was confused between them and... private groups? |
| 17:53.44 | alpha1-2 | "you need to be invited" or something "to join"? let me see... |
| 17:54.28 | blast007 | there's hidden, closed, and open groups. |
| 17:54.48 | alpha1-2 | ah yes, closed groups: "This is a closed group, new members can only join upon invitation of a group leader." |
| 17:54.48 | blast007 | closed and open groups show up in the list for everyone. hidden do not. |
| 17:55.28 | alpha1-2 | well, thanks, every day one learns something new :) |
| 17:56.00 | blast007 | Groups can have multiple leaders. Also, the one who hosts a server doesn't have to be the one who requested a group. People had previously used my admin group on their own servers, for instance. |
| 17:57.53 | alpha1-2 | ahh... then the main [usefulness] of creating a forum group, instead of local ones, is? |
| 17:58.50 | alpha1-2 | to manage them with forum system (easier)? |
| 17:59.06 | alpha1-2 | or maybe I should re-read some doc :P |
| 17:59.12 | alpha1-2 | forgot some |
| 18:02.03 | blast007 | local groups use the callsign, global groups use the BZID |
| 18:06.38 | alpha1-2 | aahh... |
| 18:07.06 | alpha1-2 | I checked last times and... well, it is very complex... |
| 18:07.51 | alpha1-2 | is checking |
| 18:09.10 | alpha1-2 | 1) with 2.4 (and 2.0 IIRC), you need Internet (to use bzflag.org services) to start a game, even locally |
| 18:09.47 | blast007 | you've never need Internet access to just run a local server |
| 18:12.21 | skylon7 | yes it is just in bzflag and it is on every server |
| 18:12.38 | skylon7 | anyone know a fix? |
| 18:13.08 | blast007 | I had asked a couple other questions as well |
| 18:13.19 | the_map | skylon7 has bzflag version 2.4.2.20120728-MAINT-W32VC8 |
| 18:13.29 | alpha1-2 | sorry was AFK... then I thought it was for authentication... |
| 18:13.31 | skylon7 | thanks :) |
| 18:13.54 | alpha1-2 | and... |
| 18:13.54 | blast007 | alpha1-2: right, you don't need authentication for just local servers :) |
| 18:14.09 | blast007 | alpha1-2: nor the list server or masterban list |
| 18:14.25 | blast007 | skylon7: can't say I've ever seen that problem before |
| 18:14.29 | alpha1-2 | well, you alway make me dubt buut... as I remmber I checed it very well... |
| 18:14.36 | skylon7 | yeah i can tell it is pretty weird |
| 18:14.37 | blast007 | skylon7: do you have a different keyboard you could try with instead? |
| 18:14.39 | alpha1-2 | ah my KB! |
| 18:14.45 | skylon7 | uh... |
| 18:14.58 | alpha1-2 | I will elaborate, a moment... |
| 18:15.12 | the_map | skylon7: if you hold shift while typing, does it force all caps? |
| 18:15.24 | blast007 | (not that it should matter, since you're able to type here fine, which I assume is using the same computer that the issue is on) |
| 18:15.25 | skylon7 | i figured this out like five minutes ago |
| 18:15.30 | skylon7 | if i type slowly its all caps |
| 18:15.36 | skylon7 | and then shift makes it lower case |
| 18:15.44 | skylon7 | its just when i type fast enough |
| 18:16.56 | the_map | what if you it caps lock before typing? before typing slowly? before typing quickly? |
| 18:17.29 | blast007 | still curious which version of Windows this is |
| 18:18.12 | skylon7 | oh |
| 18:18.28 | skylon7 | its windows 7 |
| 18:18.51 | blast007 | and you don't have another keyboard to try with? |
| 18:19.16 | skylon7 | caps does nothing |
| 18:19.34 | skylon7 | oh yeah i was going to try that |
| 18:19.54 | blast007 | is this keyboard USB? |
| 18:20.40 | blast007 | if both this and the other keyboard are USB, you can swap them out while the computer is running. If it's the older round plug (usually purple), then you have to shut down before you remove or plug in the cord. |
| 18:21.06 | blast007 | but definitely try without the questionable keyboard attached |
| 18:22.01 | the_map | you have to shut down to swap ps2 keyboards? |
| 18:22.22 | skylon7 | oh the normal one i use is the round purple one |
| 18:22.26 | skylon7 | im using usb now |
| 18:23.22 | blast007 | the_map: yep, PS/2 isn't hot-swappable |
| 18:24.00 | blast007 | skylon7: you'd want to shut down and remove the old one |
| 18:24.08 | skylon7 | this is the usb |
| 18:24.14 | skylon7 | i swapped already |
| 18:24.59 | blast007 | k, ignore my advice then ;) does the issue still occur in BZFlag? |
| 18:25.13 | skylon7 | yes |
| 18:25.39 | blast007 | hrm.. I have no idea what would cause that |
| 18:25.41 | skylon7 | i tried running the installer again but didnt uninstall it, i can try a clean instalation of bzflag... |
| 18:25.49 | blast007 | nah, that wouldn't help |
| 18:26.08 | the_map | when you type, does it show up in partial caps, or does it look fine until you send the message? |
| 18:26.10 | blast007 | you could try renaming your configuration file though and see if a clean config works |
| 18:26.17 | skylon7 | it shows up in the chat bar |
| 18:26.20 | skylon7 | so before i send it |
| 18:26.20 | alpha1-2 | it's Windows, throw it to the [trash recipient] :P |
| 18:28.16 | blast007 | Start > Run, put %localappdata%\bzflag\2.4\ and click OK, then rename config.cfg to oldconfig.cfg |
| 18:28.37 | blast007 | and make sure the client isn't running when you do that :) |
| 18:29.08 | skylon7 | okay |
| 18:29.10 | blast007 | then run the game, which shouldn't even have a callsign set in the Join Game menu anymore, and see if you can type correctly |
| 18:29.25 | the_map | skylon7 and I just tested; he can backspace a character and retype it (maybe multiple times, idk), and get it lowercase |
| 18:29.37 | skylon7 | yes it took 3-5 tries on each letter |
| 18:30.08 | the_map | have you tried an on-screen keyboard? |
| 18:30.15 | the_map | just for testing, not for actual use |
| 18:30.36 | the_map | by the time you type "ours" it would be too late with an on-screen keyboard |
| 18:31.04 | skylon7 | config didnt work |
| 18:32.55 | alpha1-2 | it doesn't happen with any other program, really? And, it is the first time for you? |
| 18:33.07 | skylon7 | first time playing bzflag? |
| 18:33.16 | skylon7 | yeah im fine on other programs |
| 18:33.20 | alpha1-2 | no, first time for the problem |
| 18:33.26 | skylon7 | this is the first time running bzflag on this computer |
| 18:33.35 | skylon7 | oh |
| 18:33.38 | skylon7 | yes |
| 18:33.45 | skylon7 | yes --> the problem |
| 18:34.07 | alpha1-2 | ah... it's some hard to know... |
| 18:34.19 | alpha1-2 | the real problem |
| 18:34.29 | skylon7 | yeah |
| 18:34.49 | alpha1-2 | did you install BZ in the other PC? |
| 18:35.26 | skylon7 | what other one? |
| 18:35.28 | skylon7 | oh |
| 18:35.35 | skylon7 | i played it when i was a kid... |
| 18:35.37 | alpha1-2 | or were you who installed BZ in the othe machine? |
| 18:35.46 | skylon7 | this is the first time recently, and it is only on this computer |
| 18:36.05 | skylon7 | i can install it on the linux one next to me... |
| 18:36.06 | alpha1-2 | you have then 2 PCs with BZ nowadays? |
| 18:36.12 | skylon7 | just one |
| 18:36.25 | skylon7 | i can get it on the linux one |
| 18:36.36 | alpha1-2 | yes, good idea, anyway |
| 18:36.52 | the_map | sudo apt-get install bzflag #ftw |
| 18:37.04 | alpha1-2 | who did install Windows? |
| 18:37.09 | alpha1-2 | you? |
| 18:37.14 | skylon7 | yea me |
| 18:37.17 | alpha1-2 | and BZ? |
| 18:37.21 | skylon7 | yes |
| 18:37.26 | the_map | windows didn't come with the computer |
| 18:37.28 | skylon7 | oh sorry not the window |
| 18:37.29 | the_map | ? |
| 18:37.31 | alpha1-2 | first time you do both, maybe? |
| 18:37.41 | skylon7 | lol i thought you meant windows version of bzflag |
| 18:37.51 | alpha1-2 | ah okay |
| 18:37.57 | skylon7 | sry :) |
| 18:37.58 | alpha1-2 | Windows pre-installed? |
| 18:38.25 | blast007 | alpha1-2: is that somehow relevant? |
| 18:38.37 | skylon7 | no it wasnt pre installed |
| 18:38.40 | alpha1-2 | just to see if it is well installed |
| 18:38.54 | skylon7 | apparently my dad and i built this a couple years ago |
| 18:39.07 | the_map | what was the original OS? |
| 18:39.37 | skylon7 | no, i built it and put windows on it after i was done |
| 18:39.52 | alpha1-2 | from scratch then, if I und. well? |
| 18:40.08 | alpha1-2 | or old dsk? |
| 18:40.11 | skylon7 | i bought the computer parts and put it together, then put windows on it |
| 18:40.11 | alpha1-2 | disk* |
| 18:40.18 | the_map | from transistors ;) |
| 18:40.30 | alpha1-2 | okay |
| 18:40.42 | skylon7 | i dont know how my dad did it |
| 18:40.52 | skylon7 | my dad put the OS |
| 18:40.54 | skylon7 | on it |
| 18:41.05 | alpha1-2 | well, it is complex to know to me if we don't make a long detailed list of acts :P |
| 18:41.19 | blast007 | alpha1-2: that's not really helpful |
| 18:41.24 | alpha1-2 | and I don't want to use much space here :) |
| 18:42.56 | blast007 | skylon7: periodically I reinstall Windows from scratch, usually when I decide to upgrade my hard drive or do a major hardware refresh. Might be time to do the same with that system. You could pick up a new hard drive, disconnect the old drive, hook up the new one, install Windows and all your software on the new drive, and then hook up the second drive as well and copy your important data over. |
| 18:43.03 | skylon7 | i tried completely reinstalling bzflag for the heck of it... and blast007 was right, didnt help at all |
| 18:43.43 | skylon7 | yeah... FYI im 15 yrs old so my dad would have to do that XD |
| 18:44.03 | the_map | you could install linux on your computer as a dual-boot and see if it happens when you boot to linux on that computer |
| 18:44.07 | skylon7 | its weird though ,cause it only happens on bzflag |
| 18:44.10 | skylon7 | OH RIGHT |
| 18:44.16 | the_map | if you're feeling really ambitious :) |
| 18:44.16 | skylon7 | i was going to install it on the linux |
| 18:44.19 | blast007 | let's not complicate matters with dual-booting |
| 18:44.40 | blast007 | even I avoid doing that.. |
| 18:44.43 | the_map | blast007, I was kidding |
| 18:44.55 | the_map | actually, it's not that bad |
| 18:44.57 | blast007 | sure you were |
| 18:45.05 | the_map | takes a long time, but it's not too hard |
| 18:45.34 | skylon7 | ive seen dual-booting before on my mac... so complicated |
| 18:45.40 | the_map | ofc, my success rate is pretty low, but that's because of hardware insufficiencies I'm pretty sure |
| 18:45.48 | blast007 | completely different on a mac |
| 18:45.57 | the_map | but I've been through the process a lot |
| 18:46.15 | alpha1-2 | it must be software problems yes |
| 18:46.50 | skylon7 | theres no linux download... should i try it on the mac? |
| 18:47.02 | alpha1-2 | (skylon7's issue I mean) |
| 18:47.19 | blast007 | on Linux they generally have their own package mangement with BZFlag already packaged |
| 18:47.29 | the_map | skylon7: open terminal (ctrl+alt+t should work if nothing else), and type "sudo apt-get install bzflag" (without quotes) |
| 18:47.46 | skylon7 | yeah linux is (no offense to linux users) really hard independent and stupid |
| 18:47.55 | the_map | what version of linux? |
| 18:48.03 | the_map | ubuntu, mint, ...? |
| 18:48.05 | blast007 | depending on the version of the linux distribution, you might get an ancient version of BZFlag, though |
| 18:48.06 | skylon7 | i have absolutely no clue... |
| 18:48.09 | skylon7 | oh ubuntu |
| 18:48.17 | the_map | what version of ubuntu? |
| 18:48.20 | skylon7 | but what version i would have to look at it |
| 18:48.35 | alpha1-2 | ubuntu/software management? |
| 18:48.37 | blast007 | the command 'lsb_release -d' should hopefully tell you more information |
| 18:48.41 | alpha1-2 | and type bzflag? |
| 18:48.50 | the_map | or system --> details |
| 18:48.51 | alpha1-2 | not so hard eh? ;) |
| 18:49.06 | the_map | *system settings --> system --> details |
| 18:49.07 | alpha1-2 | but you need admin password |
| 18:49.12 | alpha1-2 | admin's* |
| 18:49.35 | blast007 | alpha1-2: Ubuntu uses sudo by default, which uses your own user password. |
| 18:49.38 | skylon7 | ubuntu 14.4 lts |
| 18:49.44 | the_map | blast007: thanks for the lsb_release -d command; I didn't know about that |
| 18:49.54 | the_map | that would have been really nice to know |
| 18:50.12 | blast007 | okay, 14.4 has BZFlag 2.4.2 already packaged |
| 18:50.15 | skylon7 | the_map: "would have been" |
| 18:50.25 | alpha1-2 | then every user can install whatever them want?? |
| 18:50.33 | the_map | skylon7: that's what I said |
| 18:50.41 | blast007 | alpha1-2: yeah, if they're in the sudo group |
| 18:50.43 | skylon7 | ik its just kinda funny how you worded it |
| 18:50.51 | skylon7 | like there was a previous problem or something |
| 18:50.53 | the_map | try opening the ubuntu software center and searching for bzflag |
| 18:51.12 | skylon7 | oh, see? im not a linux user so i wouldnt know that lol |
| 18:51.29 | the_map | and yes, I had some installation issues on a really old laptop, and it would have been nice to know that command |
| 18:51.32 | alpha1-2 | as I remember, sudo are for users... and for programs, right? then they just set sudo fo all programs? |
| 18:51.50 | the_map | it doesn't support anything past ~ubuntu 9.10 or so |
| 18:52.06 | blast007 | alpha1-2: if you have questions about using linux, there are channels for that |
| 18:52.35 | skylon7 | okay one sec its downloading... |
| 18:54.50 | skylon7 | wait there was a password.... |
| 18:54.56 | skylon7 | that would be why it stopped |
| 18:55.44 | the_map | put in your user password if it's to get the installation to continue |
| 18:56.01 | *** join/#bzflag contempt (contempt@unaffiliated/contempt) |
| 18:59.25 | skylon7 | okay my dad wont type in the password |
| 19:00.38 | the_map | ...do you want to try on a virtual installation? |
| 19:00.54 | the_map | does windows support virtual computers? |
| 19:01.04 | the_map | I don't run windows nearly often enough to know |
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| 19:01.20 | skylon7_ | okay back |
| 19:01.23 | alpha1-2 | well, just wanted to say that I knew sudo already, blast007, and didn't understand very well what you said "Ubuntu uses sudo by default, which uses your own user password." It was too out of topic, if I continued your thoughts? I don't want to make you upset/mad, really, just trying to und. you better (and I am some old here already). I don't want problems, really. I hope you don' mute me now for this :/ |
| 19:01.27 | alpha1-2 | blast007 |
| 19:01.28 | the_map | I think the last time was...dunno |
| 19:01.37 | alpha1-2 | sorry for the repetition |
| 19:01.42 | skylon7_ | my chat stopped working |
| 19:01.47 | skylon7_ | did i miss anything? |
| 19:01.50 | the_map | ...do you want to try on a virtual installation? |
| 19:01.56 | the_map | and does windows support virtual computers? |
| 19:02.03 | skylon7_ | of whaaa? |
| 19:02.17 | the_map | a virtual linux computer, running under windows |
| 19:02.21 | blast007 | it does, but we're not going there |
| 19:02.31 | the_map | ok |
| 19:02.40 | skylon7_ | i didnt get anything past my comment on the its okay if i dont get it fixed thing... |
| 19:02.44 | skylon7_ | if that even got out |
| 19:02.56 | the_map | no, didn't see that |
| 19:02.59 | skylon7_ | ugh |
| 19:03.09 | the_map | last message was <skylon7> okay my dad wont type in the password |
| 19:03.20 | skylon7_ | my browser had to restart or something so the caht stopped for a sec |
| 19:03.34 | skylon7_ | yeah i typed the its okay if i... right after that |
| 19:03.45 | skylon7_ | what? |
| 19:03.56 | blast007 | your old session timed out |
| 19:04.12 | skylon7_ | yeah... i thought you couldnt have two nicknames running at the same time is all |
| 19:04.13 | blast007 | your client reconnected with a slightly different name |
| 19:04.18 | blast007 | notice the _ |
| 19:04.19 | skylon7_ | oh |
| 19:04.23 | skylon7_ | yeah i just did lol |
| 19:05.09 | *** join/#bzflag skylon7 (3ff8f8f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.248.248.244) |
| 19:05.17 | blast007 | for the future, the /nick command lets you change your name. For example, you could have done /nick skylon7 |
| 19:05.35 | skylon7 | thanks |
| 19:06.01 | blast007 | let me see about building an updated 2.4.3 windows installer |
| 19:06.41 | skylon7 | wasnt the last bzflag update before christmas? (i just remember seeing it somewhere as i was searching for the installer) |
| 19:06.43 | the_map | blast007: could it be that the issue is with a recent release, and skylon7 installed after the release but no one else has? |
| 19:06.56 | skylon7 | thats what im wondering |
| 19:07.07 | blast007 | the_map: I've used blank configurations as well with 2.4.2 |
| 19:07.45 | blast007 | it's more than likely something external to BZFlag causing it |
| 19:09.32 | blast007 | I'm building an updated installer regardless |
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| 19:14.59 | alpha1-2 | (going to eat, I will ellaborate later about "autentication" situation) |
| 19:15.37 | the_map | bon appetit |
| 19:15.45 | alpha1-2 | :) |
| 19:16.10 | blast007 | skylon7: bleeding edge code ;) http://download.bzflag.org/2.4.3/windows/bzflag-2.4.3.20150710_32Bit.exe |
| 19:17.55 | skylon7 | ok i'll try it, thanks |
| 19:18.59 | blast007 | I should probably try it myself to make sure it works |
| 19:20.47 | blast007 | seems to work ;) |
| 19:21.27 | skylon7 | yeah the chat now is fine |
| 19:21.36 | skylon7 | its just in the 2.4.2 version |
| 19:21.46 | blast007 | that's strange |
| 19:23.15 | blast007 | you don't have any siblings/friends that maybe pulled a prank on you and made the 2.4.2 shortcut run some caps lock prank program, do you? :) |
| 19:23.30 | blast007 | hmm, though I suppose an uninstall/reinstall would fix that |
| 19:23.33 | skylon7 | no |
| 19:23.33 | blast007 | *shrugs* |
| 19:23.45 | skylon7 | i installed bzflag yesterday... like at 7:00 pm |
| 19:23.56 | skylon7 | plus they are too dumb to do that XD |
| 19:24.06 | blast007 | soon enough we'll have an official 2.4.4 version out that will be very close to what that 2.4.3 version is like |
| 19:24.30 | blast007 | at least we found a workaround though :) |
| 19:25.00 | alpha1-2 | well, I have to eat, then have to work, then... I don't know... I will just write it now and after I will have a read. It is rather complete. Any thing, I will return later. Bye |
| 19:25.04 | skylon7 | oh wait... i think i know what the problem is |
| 19:25.21 | alpha1-2 | Well, this is my ellaboration of the previous situation: as I said, I have checked that with 2.4 (and 2.0 IIRC) you need Internet (to use bzflag.org services) to start a game, even locally (not the server, but the clients' connection). |
| 19:25.22 | alpha1-2 | Then I thought it was for authentication. But we never used passwords for local servers, this is why our "+"s never appeared. Though, when I disconnected Internet, the clients coudln't connect definitively to the servers, just partially, and they got frozen, waiting. At the end, I researched and found that there is a kind of basic check just to know if the server exists, not real authentication, just a previous check to know if it exists, |
| 19:25.24 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.25 | alpha1-2 | And the related situation to our prev. talk is that in some point the "name"/local authentication system was replaced with the forum one (using BZIDs), then... I think you are wrong saying that they still work? |
| 19:25.27 | skylon7 | blast007 was right, the external program (namely steam) was causing it |
| 19:25.50 | skylon7 | i ran the program without steam using it as a shortcut and it worked fine |
| 19:25.54 | skylon7 | lol it wasnt bzflag |
| 19:26.02 | skylon7 | i ran it in steam the problem was back |
| 19:26.11 | blast007 | ah, strange |
| 19:26.24 | blast007 | that's for the information - that's something that I can probably try to replicate now |
| 19:26.51 | skylon7 | i used it as a non-steam shortcut |
| 19:27.26 | blast007 | haha, yeah, it does it for me too when I launch it from steam |
| 19:27.32 | blast007 | that's really odd |
| 19:27.56 | skylon7 | yay prblem solved :) |
| 19:27.59 | skylon7 | sorta... |
| 19:28.09 | the_map | what's steam? |
| 19:28.25 | blast007 | the_map: http://store.steampowered.com/about/ |
| 19:29.01 | blast007 | the_map: basically, the most popular electronic game distribution platform on Windows (and probably Mac) |
| 19:29.12 | blast007 | s/electronic/digital/ |
| 19:29.32 | skylon7 | and my friends didnt believe me when i said that about steam... |
| 19:29.43 | skylon7 | even though one of them uses it XD |
| 19:30.00 | the_map | does your friend have the capitalization issue also? |
| 19:30.02 | skylon7 | anyways, steam probably needs to fix that and bzflag cant do anything about iot right? |
| 19:30.11 | skylon7 | oh no, he plays other games |
| 19:30.36 | skylon7 | steam is a program where you can buy games off of it, and you can also set up shoprtcuts on it (non-steam shortcut) |
| 19:31.48 | the_map | can you make a desktop shortcut to the program? |
| 19:31.52 | skylon7 | ill just put bzflag on my taskbar and use it there instead of through steam |
| 19:31.57 | the_map | that works too |
| 19:32.05 | the_map | *should work |
| 19:32.07 | skylon7 | thanks for the help the_map and blast007 |
| 19:32.21 | blast007 | skylon7: no problem, and thanks for figuring out the cause |
| 19:32.29 | the_map | yw, although I'm not sure I provided much |
| 19:32.58 | blast007 | it's probably something with how the steam overlay interacts with BZFlag |
| 19:33.17 | skylon7 | the_map: technically you gave me the idea of running the exe from the installer when you said to reinstall it |
| 19:33.28 | skylon7 | yeah like the shift+tab thing = community |
| 19:34.48 | the_map | I gave you the idea to re-install it? |
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| 19:36.14 | skylon7 | yeah |
| 19:36.16 | skylon7 | sorta |
| 19:36.29 | skylon7 | someone did, but ill give you the credit so you can say you did something |
| 19:36.36 | skylon7 | :) |
| 19:36.53 | the_map | I think it was your idea |
| 19:36.57 | skylon7 | whatever |
| 19:37.02 | the_map | but thanks :) |
| 19:37.42 | skylon7 | you didnt do bad, and thats good right? |
| 19:38.24 | the_map | I guess, in this situation |
| 19:39.02 | the_map | it's the thought that counts |
| 19:45.01 | skylon7 | ima go now |
| 19:45.06 | the_map | later |
| 19:45.10 | skylon7 | see you guys, thanks again |
| 19:45.14 | blast007 | cya |
| 19:52.56 | alpha1-2 | blast007: I have to work now, will you see my question or do you need me to be here for so? (maybe I disconnect too) I don't und. still this community very much :P |
| 19:53.16 | blast007 | alpha1-2: internet access is not needed for either the client or server for just local play |
| 19:53.33 | alpha1-2 | have you tried it? |
| 19:53.47 | blast007 | authentication isn't required for local play. MOTD isn't required for local play. server list isn't needed for local play. masterban list isn't needed for local play. |
| 19:53.50 | blast007 | yes |
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| 19:55.49 | alpha1-2 | just a little correction: I use 2.4.0 mostly, and IIRC I checked it on 2.4.2 too, the last official release one. BTW will you still be releasing "official" versions (git is still confusing to me)? |
| 19:56.00 | alpha1-2 | and okay, I will try to test it again |
| 19:56.20 | alpha1-2 | but I have done it a lot, time ago, IIRC :S |
| 19:56.36 | alpha1-2 | what version do you use? |
| 19:56.47 | alpha1-2 | (have to run BBL) |
| 19:57.05 | blast007 | 2.4.2 or 2.4.3 |
| 19:57.32 | blast007 | but why do you think you need internet access for a local client to join a local server? you just have to put in the IP and port in the client and click connect.. leave the password blank |
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| 20:45.06 | alpha1-2 | I can't test it right now (can't disconnect). Answer: not that I needed Internet, but I just weren't able to play because clients got frozen w/o it. Then I started to research the issue. Then, |
| 20:45.25 | alpha1-2 | let's let it for next time, after I can re-test it. |
| 20:46.10 | alpha1-2 | Will you continue releasing versions while using git? |
| 20:47.05 | alpha1-2 | And, a previous question, are you sure names auth. system still work?, I have read that doesn't |
| 20:48.31 | alezakos | BZFlag *does* work without an internet connection |
| 20:49.05 | alezakos | when you join a server, your client tries to contact the auth server to get a token and prove who you are to the server |
| 20:49.27 | alezakos | If you aren't online, this might take some time before timing out and joining without a token |
| 20:50.01 | alezakos | So just wait a little bit before complaining that your client crashes :) |
| 20:50.27 | alezakos | Or erase the password entirely, because that will prevent the client from trying to get authenticated |
| 20:52.21 | alezakos | also make sure that BZFS doesn't try to communicate with the list server so that it doesn't spend time trying to communicate with the list server when a player joins |
| 20:52.38 | alezakos | that was a weird sentence |
| 20:53.31 | alezakos | (I believe omitting any -publickey and/or -publictitle options for bzfs should be enough) |
| 20:53.59 | alpha1-2 | I don't like when PPL underestimate others, even after long time of relationship X( :) . I have tested *all*. Waited a lot, trying with and without passwords, researching other versions, until I got an old one that worked, tried with command line arguments, etc |
| 20:54.26 | alpha1-2 | yes, I tried them all :P |
| 20:54.53 | alpha1-2 | Have you tried w/o password? Which version do you have? |
| 20:55.03 | alpha1-2 | Do you get the "+"? |
| 20:55.16 | alpha1-2 | or even the "-"? |
| 20:56.52 | alezakos | I just disconnected myself and got in perfectly |
| 20:57.13 | alpha1-2 | do you get the symbols? |
| 20:57.29 | alezakos | and there is no + or - sign, since the server can't know if you're registered or not |
| 20:57.43 | alezakos | I always use /password to get more privileges |
| 20:58.13 | alpha1-2 | okay, which version? |
| 20:58.36 | alezakos | 2.4.3 |
| 20:59.32 | alpha1-2 | okay, thanks, I will see later when I can disconnect again. Can you answer my last questions, maybe? |
| 21:00.20 | alezakos | what are those? |
| 21:01.53 | alpha1-2 | anyway I forget that one has to report bugs into the reporting system, which I still have not used never, then, this discussion maybe is not much useful (for the development) |
| 21:02.17 | alpha1-2 | 17:46] <alpha1-2> Will you continue releasing versions while using git? |
| 21:02.18 | alpha1-2 | [17:47] <alpha1-2> And, a previous question, are you sure names auth. system still work?, I have read that doesn't |
| 21:04.10 | alezakos | yup, versions will still continue being released |
| 21:04.15 | alpha1-2 | nice |
| 21:04.24 | alezakos | in fact, 2.4.4 will happen soon (TM) |
| 21:04.38 | alezakos | and I'm not familiar with any names authentication system |
| 21:04.38 | alpha1-2 | into... sourceforge page or git? |
| 21:04.51 | alezakos | If you're talking about BZFlag authentication, it works fine for me |
| 21:05.06 | alpha1-2 | the system before forum auth system, no? |
| 21:05.47 | alezakos | ah |
| 21:05.48 | alpha1-2 | in which you were authenticated against a local database with just your name + password |
| 21:06.02 | alpha1-2 | no BZID |
| 21:06.11 | alezakos | AFAIK, that's been entirely removed from bzflag |
| 21:06.24 | alpha1-2 | yes, I had read that too |
| 21:06.40 | alpha1-2 | which maybe it is not a very good idea |
| 21:07.17 | alpha1-2 | you have to run your own... PHPBB server and things now... not bad, just... much more complex... there is a nice wiki about it, tho. |
| 21:07.20 | alezakos | you can only assign permissions via -userdb to users already registered on the forums |
| 21:07.42 | alezakos | I tried to run my own instance of bzflag's services once, and I failed :) |
| 21:07.58 | alpha1-2 | hehe |
| 21:08.14 | alpha1-2 | yes, it s all... web based lately |
| 21:08.48 | alpha1-2 | I still think Internet is not... always necesary |
| 21:09.12 | alpha1-2 | necessary* |
| 21:09.21 | alezakos | it's possible to write a plugin that simulates the old /login behaviour |
| 21:09.45 | alpha1-2 | hehe nice idea |
| 21:09.53 | alezakos | but I don't think you'll need anything more than a groupdb file and a password for non-internet uses |
| 21:10.43 | blast007 | if you don't provide a password on the Join Game menu, it won't try to contact the list server for authentication |
| 21:11.59 | blast007 | there is also a '-nomotd' and '-nolist' set of options for the client, though I believe at least the -nolist option will persist in the configuration file after you use it. |
| 21:14.48 | alpha1-2 | well, I will test it again later, can't now, but my conclussion was that it was before the auth. porcess |
| 21:14.59 | alpha1-2 | process* |
| 21:15.17 | alpha1-2 | thank for all, anyway |
| 21:15.32 | the_map | I might have missed something, but how would someone connect to a non-local server without an internet connection? |
| 21:15.50 | alpha1-2 | hehe :P |
| 21:15.51 | the_map | would it be a LAN server? |
| 21:15.59 | the_map | alezakos> but I don't think you'll need anything more than a groupdb file and a password for non-internet uses |
| 21:16.05 | alpha1-2 | no, all is loca |
| 21:16.13 | alpha1-2 | local |
| 21:16.31 | the_map | LAN: local area network |
| 21:17.11 | alpha1-2 | by "local" I mean, all in the same computer |
| 21:17.21 | alpha1-2 | server and clients |
| 21:17.30 | alpha1-2 | localhost, etc |
| 21:17.42 | the_map | so the goal is for you to connect to your own server? |
| 21:17.47 | the_map | as the only player? |
| 21:18.05 | the_map | *your own local server |
| 21:19.14 | blast007 | you don't need a groupdb file |
| 21:19.24 | blast007 | you don't even need a password |
| 21:19.30 | alpha1-2 | alezakos, then you are not sure? you said name auth. system is totally deleted and then you talked again about groupdb file and password. AFAIK, those files authenticate nowadays *only* by web based services |
| 21:19.35 | blast007 | you can literally just run 'bzfs' and connect to localhost:5154 |
| 21:21.04 | the_map | out of curiosity, why is it 5154? |
| 21:22.06 | blast007 | arbitrary number that was picked long ago |
| 21:22.23 | alezakos | the -groupdb file sets up permissions for groups as specified by web based services. -password just sets a password that can be then fed to the server to give you admin access, it isn't related to any services |
| 21:23.15 | blast007 | http://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.xhtml?&page=89 the port is also registered as such |
| 21:23.24 | alpha1-2 | the_map: yes, as blast007 said, I have connected to my own local server and played lot of times. Just some times I weren't able to 'cause I was disconnected from Internet. Then I wondered, and I researched it time ago, and made my conclusions. |
| 21:24.38 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: you again just contradicted to yourselve :P |
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| 21:25.01 | alpha1-2 | yourself* |
| 21:25.17 | alezakos | I did? |
| 21:25.29 | alpha1-2 | ah sorry, you meant just "-password" |
| 21:26.32 | alpha1-2 | but well, you still need services to use groupdb and other files IIRC, which means that name auth. system is not working aymore |
| 21:27.13 | blast007 | the files are named a bit odd |
| 21:27.46 | blast007 | groupdb doesn't define who is in groups, it defines permissions that each group has. and userdb doesn't define users, it defines what groups a user is assigned to |
| 21:28.12 | blast007 | passwd was the one that we removed, which is where local user account passwords were stored |
| 21:28.30 | alezakos | you mean passdb? |
| 21:28.37 | blast007 | yeah, that :) |
| 21:28.49 | alezakos | when you don't have access to bz's list server, -groupdb is only useful because it can specify what permissions *everyone* has |
| 21:29.05 | blast007 | yep |
| 21:29.23 | blast007 | and userdb still only works for global users, but only by callsign, not bzid |
| 21:30.22 | blast007 | for a quick local list server, it'd be pretty easy to hack together a script that worked with an SQLite database and implemented the minimum stuff necessary |
| 21:33.17 | alpha1-2 | is re-reading manuals |
| 21:37.07 | alpha1-2 | then, you only authenticate (user/password) by web based services nowadays, as I said, right? Locally, you only will get permissions. |
| 21:37.32 | alpha1-2 | then no "+" for anybody |
| 21:37.36 | blast007 | right |
| 21:37.52 | blast007 | but if you're playing with a few friends, do you really need that? |
| 21:38.28 | alezakos | except for @, which you can get with a /password |
| 21:38.45 | blast007 | but again, we're talking about a local server on a LAN |
| 21:38.53 | blast007 | why do you even need admin rights? |
| 21:39.27 | alpha1-2 | not necessarely, you can run your own server w/o using the web services but for Internet users |
| 21:40.03 | alezakos | to make the sky red without restarting :) |
| 21:40.08 | blast007 | but now you're changing the subject - the whole thing was local servers without internet |
| 21:41.22 | alpha1-2 | nowadays few PPL play with friends into a LAN... (thinking) just a simple example: I want to play just with alezakos, then I run my server locally and... invite him and want to give him some password, then I need BZ services |
| 21:42.07 | alpha1-2 | you need admin righ to set variables, etc |
| 21:42.11 | alpha1-2 | rights* |
| 21:42.13 | alpha1-2 | too* |
| 21:42.54 | alpha1-2 | oh yes... (thinking) |
| 21:43.38 | Delusional | you can still use global services without your server on the list, by using -advertise |
| 21:43.59 | Delusional | inly the people in your specified group can see the server on the list |
| 21:45.43 | alpha1-2 | yes, there are everal stages: 1) local server + local clients 2) LAN server and clients and 3) WAN server ad clients. All should be done with or without web services in y opinion. Web services were made to make passwords more safe, in a centralized way. But apart of this, I just worried a lot about... the "necessary" check before the auth. process, which is much more... erroneous if it is... probed |
| 21:47.42 | alezakos | alpha1-2: If you really want to password-protect your server, it's very easy to write a plugin that gives spawn/talk perms to a player only after they've entered a command with specific parameters |
| 21:47.50 | alezakos | and global services still require internet access :) |
| 21:47.59 | alpha1-2 | I remember other case into forums: a guy that run a private LAN into a school IIRC. They had a firewall avoiding Internet access, then he needed to run an configure his own PHPBB server + others to be able to. And, then, he wrote a nice wiki after it. |
| 21:48.23 | blast007 | 1 and 2 are the same, alpha1-2 |
| 21:48.50 | alpha1-2 | by 1 I mean, as I said before, all in the same computer |
| 21:49.19 | blast007 | it's still LAN play |
| 21:49.42 | alpha1-2 | well, it simulates it, yes, but, it is not really netwoking :) |
| 21:49.57 | blast007 | there is LAN, non-published Internet servers, and published Internet servers (only the latter of which communicates with the list server for listing and authentication) |
| 21:49.57 | alpha1-2 | 127.0.0.1? :) |
| 21:50.01 | blast007 | yes it is |
| 21:51.46 | alpha1-2 | wel, yes, Delusional, but the case of that guy wouldn't work |
| 21:54.31 | alpha1-2 | well, I am some dizzy now, but was good talk, I will try later the test again. I understand all you said guys. |
| 21:54.33 | blast007 | "the "necessary" check before the auth. process, which is much more... erroneous if it is... probed" I'm not sure what you're referring to there |
| 21:54.58 | alpha1-2 | when my clients were frozen |
| 21:55.08 | alpha1-2 | I didn't enter a password |
| 21:55.09 | blast007 | when? |
| 21:55.19 | alpha1-2 | I never got "-"s |
| 21:55.28 | alpha1-2 | I played a lo of times thi way |
| 21:55.44 | alpha1-2 | but one day I didn't have Internet and they got frozen waiting for something |
| 21:56.04 | alpha1-2 | then I wondered a lot and researched it (I explained it like 3 times now :D) |
| 21:56.09 | blast007 | when? |
| 21:56.39 | alpha1-2 | when what? :D |
| 21:56.53 | blast007 | when did it freeze? what EXACTLY did you do? |
| 21:57.00 | alpha1-2 | well: |
| 21:57.09 | alpha1-2 | 1) I started bzfs |
| 21:57.58 | alpha1-2 | 2) I started 1 client, tried to connect, as usual, then the map appeared... and then it got waiting *a lot*. I weren't able to spawn |
| 21:58.15 | alpha1-2 | and I had not used password |
| 21:58.23 | alpha1-2 | just blank |
| 21:59.16 | alpha1-2 | lot of other times, with Internet, I did not ued passwords but I were able to play and without "-" OFC |
| 21:59.22 | alpha1-2 | use* |
| 21:59.51 | alpha1-2 | then I assumed it was previous auth system ('cause I had read a lot abou it) |
| 22:00.05 | alpha1-2 | or checked into code, don't rem. well |
| 22:00.46 | alpha1-2 | my conclusion was that it checked, previously to the auth. check, if the server/s were online |
| 22:01.28 | alpha1-2 | and Ichanged also th server list name with commands w/o sucess |
| 22:01.50 | alpha1-2 | or address* |
| 22:02.01 | alpha1-2 | I tried -nolist etc etc |
| 22:02.24 | blast007 | was your server configured to be public? |
| 22:02.49 | alpha1-2 | maybe I forgot the config file, as you said, weird for me, don't rem. well, will do it again |
| 22:03.03 | alpha1-2 | no public |
| 22:03.32 | alpha1-2 | buut then I searched fo several BZ versions (previous ones) until I got one that worked :)) |
| 22:03.48 | blast007 | well, it wasn't client auth that was the problem, since if that was hanging, you wouldn't get joined to the server quickly |
| 22:03.58 | blast007 | so it was a delay on bzfs |
| 22:03.59 | alpha1-2 | and checked the CHANGELOG too to see when forum auth system started |
| 22:04.21 | blast007 | BZFlag 2.0 was the first to use global authentication, but 1.10 was the first to switch to a PHP list server |
| 22:04.34 | blast007 | 1.7 ran a C/C++ based list server |
| 22:04.37 | alpha1-2 | yes, I will tell the version... |
| 22:06.30 | alpha1-2 | if I am not wrong it was 2.0.2.20050318 |
| 22:07.23 | blast007 | We don't support that version amymore. If you can replicate it on 2.4.2+, we can look into it. |
| 22:07.44 | alpha1-2 | no, that was the version that worked |
| 22:07.52 | alpha1-2 | without freezing |
| 22:08.17 | alpha1-2 | I will try today to do it, not sure, very busy |
| 22:08.22 | alpha1-2 | with 2.4.2 |
| 22:08.40 | alpha1-2 | but thanks |
| 22:10.06 | alpha1-2 | to do it again* |
| 22:12.01 | *** join/#bzflag alpha1-2 (~alpha1@host47.190-225-31.telecom.net.ar) |
| 22:12.30 | alpha1-2 | sorry, user got frozen searching a ot it seems |
| 22:12.35 | alpha1-2 | lot* |
| 22:13.04 | alpha1-2 | user's session* |
| 22:13.58 | blast007 | searching for what? |
| 22:15.12 | blast007 | in any case, I just tested here with 2.4.3. When I was using a computer with no active network interface (turned off wifi), there was a delay between getting the map and spawning. When the network connected, but the modem disconnected (so my router was still working), there was no delay. |
| 22:15.22 | blast007 | So it's not a list server related delay. |
| 22:16.20 | blast007 | (both tests were with the 'bzflag -nomotd nolist' and 'bzfs -noMasterBanlist -publiclist http://localhost/') |
| 22:17.20 | alpha1-2 | searching for the old version I used |
| 22:17.57 | blast007 | why would you need the old version? |
| 22:18.30 | alpha1-2 | oh, just to be sure what I told you was the right version I used |
| 22:19.24 | blast007 | that doesn't really matter |
| 22:19.41 | alpha1-2 | hmm "-publiclist http://localhost/", maybe I didn't try it, I will use it later |
| 22:20.32 | alpha1-2 | you had an infinite delay or what? |
| 22:20.34 | blast007 | that shouldn't be needed, but I threw it in there just to test |
| 22:20.51 | blast007 | it probably would have worked eventually, but I didn't wait that long |
| 22:21.10 | alpha1-2 | hmmm then like me I think |
| 22:21.31 | alpha1-2 | well, thanks for the time, I will see later |
| 22:24.41 | alpha1-2 | hmm sorry a question... |
| 22:25.01 | alpha1-2 | why would the router be needed? |
| 22:27.47 | alpha1-2 | (in case it is) |
| 22:28.09 | alpha1-2 | maybe some too complex question, no prblem |
| 22:30.52 | blast007 | my router has a DNS server in place, so it would handle local hostname lookups |
| 22:31.03 | blast007 | it might differ with other routers |
| 22:33.21 | alpha1-2 | ahh okay |
| 22:33.50 | blast007 | (my router is an x86 system with pfsense) |
| 22:34.37 | alpha1-2 | nice :) (though I don't know pfsense) |
| 22:34.48 | alpha1-2 | wow x86! |
| 22:34.55 | alpha1-2 | like XT? |
| 22:35.09 | alpha1-2 | oor compatible? |
| 22:35.45 | alpha1-2 | sorry I am some dizzy already :P |
| 22:37.05 | blast007 | it's a quad-core 64-bit AMD SoC |
| 22:37.54 | alpha1-2 | hehe I see now :) |
| 22:38.03 | *** join/#bzflag [Gort] (~gort@unaffiliated/gort/x-9231432) |
| 22:38.18 | blast007 | I ran BZFlag on it a couple times too |
| 22:40.59 | alpha1-2 | nice |
| 22:41.10 | alezakos | alpha1-2: I've had issues where the client would hang right after joining if there were too many flags on the map |
| 22:41.47 | blast007 | alezakos: that's actually where the server kills the connection because the send buffer fills up |
| 22:42.02 | alpha1-2 | no, I weren't able to spawn even |
| 22:42.07 | alpha1-2 | wasn't* |
| 22:42.19 | blast007 | alezakos: and in that case, the client doesn't get a proper hangup, so the client just sits there waiting |
| 22:42.24 | alpha1-2 | ah "after joining" |
| 22:43.09 | alpha1-2 | you don't get any error message, alezakos? |
| 22:43.48 | alezakos | yup |
| 22:43.51 | alezakos | no errors |
| 22:44.03 | blast007 | you would on the server-side with enough debug levels |
| 22:44.21 | blast007 | it would say it closed the connection |
| 22:45.32 | alpha1-2 | "too many flags": how many? |
| 22:46.10 | alpha1-2 | and you meant w/o Internet connection too? |
| 22:46.35 | blast007 | actually, with even one debug level on bzfs with too many flags: Player blast [0] removed at 2015-08-08 17:45:19: Write error EAGAIN |
| 22:48.20 | blast007 | there's no a strict number, and if differs on the platform. Windows generally was more touchy about it. |
| 22:49.05 | alezakos | I can't replicate it on linux even with 1000 good flags of each type |
| 22:51.56 | blast007 | I'd have thought that wouldn't even work on Linux |
| 22:52.46 | blast007 | or maybe it works because you're local and can empty the queue fast enough.. dunno |
| 22:53.25 | blast007 | this "random capitalization when launched through Steam" thing is really odd |
| 22:54.12 | blast007 | I threw in a GUI line that shows the status of shift, ctrl, and alt (according to what BZFlag sees), and they're always showing as off unless I actually press them - but I still get random capital letters when typing |
| 22:55.18 | alpha1-2 | what do you mean by "through Steam" is it on Steam already?? |
| 22:56.05 | blast007 | no, you can add non-steam games to the list so you can launch them through the steam interface, and then you also get the steam overlay in that game/program |
| 22:56.26 | blast007 | so there's something with the way it injects that overlay that is messing BZFlag up |
| 22:58.24 | alpha1-2 | aahhBTW http://steamcommunity.com/groups/bzfans :P |
| 23:00.38 | blast007 | "1 member" :P |
| 23:00.39 | alpha1-2 | maybe it is just Steam... handling some data, then... the games can interact one each other, like chat, statistics, etc. Though, it is intrusive, I think. They should tell you before. |
| 23:00.53 | blast007 | it's an overlay |
| 23:01.24 | blast007 | shift+tab brings up a full screen interface where you can talk to steam friends, visit websites, etc |
| 23:02.09 | blast007 | so clearly they are hooking into keyboard input in some way that is making BZFlag unhappy |
| 23:03.11 | alpha1-2 | yes, that's true, and some dangerous :S |
| 23:03.31 | alpha1-2 | get ride of it! |
| 23:03.49 | alpha1-2 | I don't like much those things |
| 23:14.01 | blast007 | I don't want BZFlag to ever be on Steam. Desura, maybe, but not Steam. |
| 23:19.03 | *** join/#bzflag [Gort] (~gort@unaffiliated/gort/x-9231432) |
| 23:22.44 | blast007 | That is, assumine Desura doesn't die off.. seems they're having some trouble recently. |
| 23:32.59 | alpha1-2 | ah yes, I had read some too |
| 23:33.35 | alpha1-2 | they are like social networks, I still don't und. them well :P |
| 23:34.34 | alpha1-2 | [usefulness], privacy, etc. |
| 23:34.58 | alpha1-2 | yes, usefulness* |
| 23:45.05 | echelon | sure wish a compound map was online :/ |
