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| 03:55.47 | the_map | any bzflag admins available? |
| 03:57.28 | allejo | define admin |
| 04:01.45 | the_map | someone who can ban a player that is continuously tk'ing other player |
| 04:01.49 | the_map | *players |
| 04:02.02 | the_map | sdf.org :: unix hackers |
| 04:02.24 | the_map | on purpose, for no apparent reason |
| 04:03.08 | the_map | we've poll banned him multiple times |
| 04:04.00 | the_map | a lot of players learned how to vote during the game |
| 04:04.44 | the_map | just got poll banned again |
| 04:11.55 | the_map | just got poll banned again |
| 04:50.29 | echelon | maybe you can email a contact from sdf.org |
| 04:52.03 | echelon | http://sdf.org/?abuse/abuse |
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| 15:35.16 | allejo | ~alezakos++ |
| 15:35.50 | alezakos | bows |
| 15:36.14 | allejo | applauds |
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| 17:47.55 | JeffM2501 | so did anyone want the bzflag.me domain? |
| 17:53.08 | JeffM2501 | and are you guys going to remove all the stuffs from sourceforge? |
| 17:54.11 | JeffM2501 | I still have no clue why 500+ people download bzedit win32 a week |
| 17:54.26 | blast007 | from Russia, I think |
| 17:54.32 | blast007 | but yeah, planning to move off |
| 17:54.58 | JeffM2501 | I see that the releases are starting to move, I recomend you remove the files from SF as you yank em |
| 17:55.09 | JeffM2501 | then check into the SF SVN a commit that remvoes all code |
| 17:55.45 | JeffM2501 | if you want the domain blast007 just give me your namecheap username and I can transfer it to you |
| 17:57.08 | JeffM2501 | not that SF will ever take the time to build a bzflag package with mallwarez, it's just the principle of the thing |
| 17:59.00 | blast007 | who knows with 500 downloads a month ;) |
| 17:59.35 | blast007 | and we haven't really started to move releases yet, that was more of a test |
| 17:59.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 18:00.50 | blast007 | ideally I'd like to grab all of the downloads and move those over to self hosting, with some of them clearly shoved into an 'archive' section |
| 18:02.34 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure that'll take some time |
| 18:07.53 | JeffM2501 | you can remove me from the SF admins if you want |
| 18:27.55 | allejo | if blast doesn't want bzflag.me, i'll take it |
| 18:29.15 | blast007 | *poof* |
| 18:29.25 | Leppp | heh |
| 18:33.14 | allejo | anything i can help with moving off SF, blast007? |
| 18:33.51 | blast007 | would we care about past download stats? |
| 18:34.32 | allejo | I kinda would find them disappointing if they're in a downward trend |
| 18:35.17 | blast007 | the bzedit win32 ones are a bit pointless since there's like 500 downloads from Russia per week for some unknown reason ;) |
| 18:56.06 | blast007 | s/ones/stats/ |
| 18:58.30 | blast007 | looks like grabbing all the actual files shouldn't be too bad |
| 19:01.46 | blast007 | some of the SF mirrors allow browsing the directories |
| 19:03.42 | BulletCatcher | Is it time to stop distributing the really old binaries, so the 3-year GPL clock will start ticking for them? |
| 19:05.10 | BulletCatcher | Maybe it doesn't matter because we have no plans to stop making the old source code available. |
| 19:05.57 | blast007 | what does "3-year GPL clock" mean? |
| 19:46.55 | blast007 | hmm, though it seems that maybe not all files are on every mirror. Not seeing any 1.10 or any 2.0.0 through 2.0.6 on the TCPdiag mirror, for instance (and only 3 of the 1.7 releases, and not even the newest of those). |
| 19:48.20 | BulletCatcher | LGPLv2 provides for "a written offer, valid for at least three years" to provide the source code for a distributed binary. |
| 19:50.05 | blast007 | but do we provide a written offer? |
| 19:52.03 | BulletCatcher | I assume the COPYING file does that. |
| 19:53.15 | BulletCatcher | If SourceForge stops distribuing executables, then 3 years later they are no longer obligated to distribute the source, and it may be practical to completely remove BZFlag from their site. |
| 19:54.07 | blast007 | I'd assume the COPYING file is not a written offer, since you have to provide that regardless of which of the four options you choose. |
| 19:55.35 | blast007 | so option C is a more likely fit for what we're doing |
| 19:55.39 | blast007 | "If distribution of the work is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, offer equivalent access to copy the above specified materials from the same place." |
| 20:00.54 | BulletCatcher | As long as SourceForge complies with the LGPLv2, whatever that really means, I suppose we can't stop them from distributing BZFlag in both source and binary format. |
| 20:00.56 | BulletCatcher | And the LGPLv2 probably makes the kind of bundling they have been doing even more legal than some other licenses. |
| 20:02.10 | BulletCatcher | If we don't want people to download from SourceForge, the best we can do is try to make some other place more attractive. |
| 20:03.00 | blast007 | that should be pretty easy... I mean, we're competing against SF's site :P |
| 20:03.36 | BulletCatcher | It would help to work with Linux and other distros to change the source tarball URLs inside package specifications. |
| 20:03.55 | BulletCatcher | But first we would need to choose a new official download site. |
| 20:05.48 | blast007 | I'll work on grabbing copies of all the things from SF |
| 20:06.21 | blast007 | I've already ran their 'export' tool which I think just pull down basic stuff like issues |
| 20:06.23 | BulletCatcher | Be sure to check for unwanted bundling. :-) |
| 20:06.28 | blast007 | :) |
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