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| 00:43.33 | blast007 | neat, 2015 doesn't have the menu bar in all caps ;) |
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| 02:35.58 | allejo | blast007, there's actually a preference to disable all caps in the menu bar :p rather sad that it exists but it exists! |
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| 09:14.46 | Constitution | today I learned that it is perhaps inadvisable to create architectural drawings using blender :P |
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| 16:07.32 | therealtbe | !seen authserver |
| 16:08.43 | therealtbe | it says my nickname is registered and I must use global authentication... ? |
| 16:09.22 | blast007 | in the game? |
| 16:09.27 | WarPig | yes. |
| 16:09.35 | blast007 | did you have your name registered on the forum? |
| 16:09.38 | WarPig | @mofo |
| 16:09.48 | therealtbe | yes, it is registered. yes my password is correct. |
| 16:09.52 | WarPig | does for me too, like global is down |
| 16:09.59 | blast007 | but only at mofo? |
| 16:10.13 | WarPig | dndt try anywhere else... brb |
| 16:10.17 | therealtbe | I am not getting a + sign anywhere |
| 16:10.21 | therealtbe | only - sign |
| 16:10.30 | therealtbe | and I see the vast majority of other players have no + sign |
| 16:10.39 | WarPig | serverlist takes a really long time to come back as well |
| 16:11.01 | therealtbe | yes it seems quite slow for me |
| 16:11.09 | WarPig | all servers |
| 16:11.10 | therealtbe | and I have 50M fios |
| 16:11.39 | blast007 | seems to be some epic packet loss at my host at the moment |
| 16:11.55 | WarPig | points finger of blame at blast007 |
| 16:12.04 | blast007 | hmm, or maybe not |
| 16:12.08 | therealtbe | but when I change my name, it replies NOTOK: invalid callsign or password |
| 16:12.13 | blast007 | it's just doing the pings really slowly |
| 16:12.21 | therealtbe | so it seems to be able to reject quickly |
| 16:13.01 | blast007 | there's like a 4 second delay between each ping, but the ping time is less than 1ms... the heck... |
| 16:13.39 | WarPig | hax! |
| 16:14.07 | blast007 | it's like everything is in slow motion.. |
| 16:14.29 | therealtbe | cpu usage |
| 16:14.37 | blast007 | cpu is pretty much idle |
| 16:15.09 | blast007 | though I'm not seeing the physical server usage, only the VM's usage of two of the VMs |
| 16:17.16 | blast007 | ah, pinging with DNS resolution disabled is faster. checking DNS. |
| 16:18.06 | therealtbe | http://www.internetpulse.net/ |
| 16:18.14 | therealtbe | verizon & sprint are red |
| 16:18.20 | therealtbe | level3 and savvis |
| 16:18.23 | blast007 | can't ping one of google's DNS servers right now from my servers |
| 16:18.37 | blast007 | so it's DNS resolution that is hanging up and messing with things |
| 16:20.02 | therealtbe | why do u need reverse dns lookup from clients ? |
| 16:20.21 | therealtbe | ... aside from the few lines of code using getHostByName or something |
| 16:21.45 | Flash | I've wondered the same thing. |
| 16:22.07 | Flash | Obviously, it supports by-host bans, but is that really important? |
| 16:22.21 | therealtbe | that could be done on demand, when the hostban is requested |
| 16:23.21 | therealtbe | alias ping="ping -n" |
| 16:23.24 | therealtbe | :_D |
| 16:23.46 | Flash | that thought did cross my mind |
| 16:23.53 | blast007 | what? |
| 16:24.12 | therealtbe | alias the ping command to not use dns lookups... |
| 16:24.26 | blast007 | or just switch to working DNS servers... |
| 16:24.38 | therealtbe | comcast's is 75.75.75.75 |
| 16:24.42 | blast007 | aliasing the ping command just fixes ping |
| 16:24.50 | blast007 | and why would I want to use that turd of a DNS server? |
| 16:25.48 | blast007 | anyways, see if it works better now |
| 16:26.03 | therealtbe | all good now, very fast |
| 16:31.22 | therealtbe | sheesh looks like default timeout in iputils is 10seconds |
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| 16:59.54 | blast007 | Flash: why would you think DNS lookups on a server are not necessary? |
| 17:00.53 | Flash | why is it important that the server know the hostname of the clients? |
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| 17:01.07 | blast007 | what do you mean by "clients"? |
| 17:01.10 | Flash | all that really matters is the IP address to establish communications |
| 17:01.26 | blast007 | game clients? web browsers? |
| 17:01.35 | Flash | any |
| 17:01.41 | blast007 | why not? |
| 17:01.46 | Flash | the initiator of a socket connection |
| 17:01.49 | blast007 | it's useful log information |
| 17:02.10 | Patlabor221 | Flash, it's used for hostmask bans |
| 17:02.19 | blast007 | also necessary for doing DNSBL lookups, which we do use |
| 17:02.19 | Patlabor221 | it's also used to lookup the list server name |
| 17:02.21 | Flash | I did consider that |
| 17:03.06 | blast007 | I also need DNS to be able to, ya know, connect to servers |
| 17:03.43 | Flash | I'm not saying never use DNS |
| 17:03.47 | Patlabor221 | everyone should just memorize hex codes |
| 17:04.07 | Flash | I thought this discussion started around the DNS lookup the bzfs server does on client connections |
| 17:04.33 | blast007 | no, it was the list server's DNS servers that were broken, so the whole server was having slow DNS resolution |
| 17:04.41 | Flash | never mind then |
| 17:04.45 | blast007 | at no point were we talking about bzfs |
| 17:05.15 | Patlabor221 | just blame it on systemd and be done with it ;) |
| 17:05.24 | Patlabor221 | and/or microsoft |
| 17:05.43 | blast007 | all the bandwidth is being stolen by Netflix |
| 17:06.33 | Patlabor221 | It has Young Justice, thats show is good |
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| 17:19.41 | gnu-sense | blast, some of us in the cable sewers only have that turd of a DNS server to use :P |
| 17:22.51 | blast007 | gnu-sense: no, that's wrong.. you can change your DNS servers |
| 17:23.19 | blast007 | I don't use my ISPs DNS servers at home. I use either Google DNS or OpenDNS. |
| 17:39.22 | gnu-sense | of course you can, blast, I was just joking... |
| 17:50.24 | Patlabor221 | so I am pondering posting this on the forums, how do you think it will be received? https://docs.google.com/forms/d/19rrDJPXOZVD0kbGQ_tpFjcInyTs7ju-8F9xvjL7_I0A/viewform |
| 17:52.23 | thrakt | Typo, 3rd question "appricate" |
| 17:52.56 | thrakt | Typo, 4th question "requiremens" |
| 17:54.48 | thrakt | Typo, 7th question "signifigant" |
| 17:55.43 | thrakt | Content of questions good. I'd reply. |
| 18:09.18 | blast007 | heck, I could post it on the main site too :P |
| 18:09.40 | Patlabor221 | do you want to add anything? |
| 18:09.58 | blast007 | I'll have to look it over when I have more time in a few hours. busy at work. |
| 18:10.02 | Patlabor221 | k |
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| 22:52.50 | blast007 | Patlabor221: for the first question, I would just remove the "Other Unix Like Systems (BSD)" and let them use the "other" option. for "What aspect of BZFlag gameplay do you enjoy most" it might be nice to have both "The community" and "Other" there. |
| 22:54.14 | blast007 | "Would it ever be acceptable for the game to use a third party system for authentication, such as Google?" *I* would quit if that became a thing :P |
| 22:55.13 | blast007 | think that shouldn't even be an option for where we are going and should just get removed from the form |
| 22:55.54 | blast007 | as for LAN play, I think if that worked better then more people would use it. |
| 22:57.45 | blast007 | (for example, currently LAN based discovery picks up the NETBIOS hostname, but our DNS system can't resolve that to an IP) |
| 22:58.58 | blast007 | and the thing with bzadmin I was pondering about this morning is that it would be a real pain to implement dialog support on parity with the graphical client in bzadmin |
| 22:59.16 | blast007 | (at least what I want dialog support to become) |
| 22:59.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah I want to trashcan BZADmin, that's why I'm asking if people use it |
| 22:59.56 | blast007 | under the problem features list, perhaps change "Confusing GUI" to "Confusing interface", as some may not know what "GUI" means. |
| 23:00.30 | blast007 | and probably add an Other option there too, if possible (or another large text area for other problems to be hashed out) |
| 23:01.12 | Patlabor221 | for other in features I figured they could add it othe optional part at the bottom |
| 23:01.16 | Patlabor221 | I'll reword it |
| 23:03.19 | Patlabor221 | The google one I just want to see the raction |
| 23:03.25 | Patlabor221 | same for LAN |
| 23:03.30 | Patlabor221 | I want data, not opinions |
| 23:03.36 | blast007 | okay |
| 23:03.40 | Patlabor221 | I think you are correct, |
| 23:03.46 | Patlabor221 | but I'd like to see data to prove it |
| 23:03.55 | blast007 | minecraft has a LAN option, and the kids at school use that a lot :P |
| 23:03.57 | Patlabor221 | ok, made the edits |
| 23:04.27 | blast007 | but it also searches and and show stats on parity with the internet servers you add to the list |
| 23:05.39 | blast007 | and in a lot of other areas on the interwebs, I've heard people upset that other modern games lack LAN play |
| 23:06.15 | Patlabor221 | we'll see what they say |
| 23:08.05 | Patlabor221 | I am curious how many LANS are truely disconnected from net access |
| 23:18.33 | alezakos | there's also a typo in the first question of the 'Features' section |
| 23:18.55 | alezakos | 'selct' and possibly a missing 'of' |
| 23:46.16 | blast007 | oh, probably few, but people sometimes still do a local game anyways - but you're thinking more about if required registration would affect offline users? |
| 23:46.58 | Patlabor221 | Yeah, reg, listing, and that stuff. Not a "don't support servers" |
| 23:48.50 | Patlabor221 | fixed the other typos |
| 23:48.56 | Patlabor221 | any other questions to ask? |
| 23:49.23 | Patlabor221 | I also made the type in a feature part mention type in a problem you'd want to see fixed |
| 23:50.10 | blast007 | "Definitely needs a kill cam and voice chat and zombies" |
| 23:50.30 | blast007 | "and nazi robot dogs" |
| 23:50.37 | Patlabor221 | Nazi zombies from the MOON! |
| 23:50.49 | Patlabor221 | and a funeral mode where you can pay respects |
| 23:52.39 | Patlabor221 | Maybe ask how big of a monitor they have? |
| 23:58.05 | Patlabor221 | that's probably less of a thing these days |