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| 23:01.54 | cz3141 | playing with Wings3D export to bzw ... |
| 23:02.09 | cz3141 | seemed to change more than i intended on the map |
| 23:02.31 | cz3141 | i deleted a set of objects and resulting bzw has them deleted |
| 23:02.36 | cz3141 | which is good |
| 23:02.57 | cz3141 | but the colors/etc are all changed |
| 23:03.17 | cz3141 | as well as material properties of other objects i did not edit |
| 23:03.57 | cz3141 | this is a protracted request for help |
| 23:44.50 | JeffM | you probably converted the entire map to a mesh |
| 23:45.18 | JeffM | Wings3d is fine for doing individual objects but not entire map editing |
| 23:45.33 | cz3141 | hm ok. i am completely new to this. |
| 23:45.51 | cz3141 | i understand what you are mean though. |
| 23:46.07 | cz3141 | my intention is to edit out a structure and replace it. |
| 23:46.09 | JeffM | a mesh object has different color and texture behavor |
| 23:46.20 | JeffM | then find the structure in the text file, delete it |
| 23:46.36 | JeffM | make your new structure in wings, texture and color it there, then paste that into the file |
| 23:46.52 | JeffM | is the structure a mesh or a collection of boxes and pyramids? |
| 23:46.58 | cz3141 | ah ok. makes sense. |
| 23:47.19 | cz3141 | it is 1 pair boxes, 1 pair pyramids |
| 23:47.27 | cz3141 | i think |
| 23:47.36 | JeffM | Wings only edits meshes, not the other primatives |
| 23:47.50 | JeffM | so anyting you make in it will be a mesh and have all the associated issues with meshes |
| 23:47.57 | JeffM | concavity, UV coordinates, etc.. |
| 23:48.20 | JeffM | wings is not a full bzflag map editor, it can just export models to the format that can be included in a map |
| 23:48.27 | cz3141 | ok thank you. lots to learn. |
| 23:48.30 | cz3141 | so... |
| 23:48.37 | cz3141 | editing the bzw... |
| 23:49.00 | cz3141 | these files are not (usually) annotated to indicate which set of objects is what |
| 23:49.10 | cz3141 | and present in pretty much any order |
| 23:49.27 | cz3141 | which is nice in terms of flexibility for creating |
| 23:50.01 | JeffM | depends on where you got the file |
| 23:50.09 | cz3141 | but short of trial & error, how to find object of interest? |
| 23:50.13 | JeffM | did you save it form joining a server or get the mail file from the author? |
| 23:50.21 | cz3141 | save from server |
| 23:50.38 | JeffM | then that's not the complete map that's just the part the client needs |
| 23:50.38 | cz3141 | author no longer active in community |
| 23:50.44 | JeffM | and it will not be annotated |
| 23:50.50 | JeffM | what license is the map released under? |
| 23:51.07 | cz3141 | i'd have to look it up, but it's also under the map release section... |
| 23:51.16 | JeffM | that file may have comments |
| 23:51.21 | JeffM | since it is the source |
| 23:51.44 | JeffM | you can look at it in one of the crappy map editors and get an idea about where the objects are |
| 23:51.56 | JeffM | bzworkbench or bzedit |
| 23:52.29 | cz3141 | ok. i went to Wings3D first, i chose unwisely |
| 23:52.55 | JeffM | it is a fine mesh editor, but it was not made to edit maps, it was made to make objects that you put into things like maps |
| 23:53.10 | JeffM | it's for making tanks, trees, boulders, those kinds of elements |
| 23:53.14 | cz3141 | trackin... will use it that way in future |
| 23:54.02 | cz3141 | another question? |
| 23:54.30 | cz3141 | i get it that version downloaded from server via client will not be annotated |
| 23:55.02 | cz3141 | will the sequence of objects remain the same as in the server side version of bzw file? |
| 23:55.20 | JeffM | probably but we don't do anything to ensure that |
| 23:55.45 | JeffM | the one you saved was built from the compressed binary version we send to clients to use for drawing |
| 23:55.54 | JeffM | it may be optimized |
| 23:56.39 | cz3141 | never thought of that before. makese sense. ok, thanks for the feedback |
| 23:57.10 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:59.56 | blast007 | cz3141: was the map file posted to the Map Releases forum, or just an announcement about the map? |