IRC log for #bzflag on 20130809

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22:06.13randomparticlew00ters
22:06.24randomparticleproblem resolved
22:06.43randomparticlewell.. xcode wasn't copying the framework into the bzflag.app bundle
22:07.04randomparticleso, i guess, it must have been picking up the wrong framework somehow
22:07.53randomparticlei'm not sure how that works. normally, if a framework is not in the expected location (as revealed by otool -L), the dynamic linker complains
22:08.31randomparticleotool output: @executable_path/../Frameworks/SDL.framework/Versions/A/SDL
22:09.59Erroneoushah, I love that Xcode has a "Crash" button.  Visual Studio has "Ignore," which does the same thing, but makes you hope that maybe THIS time it won't crash...
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22:11.40JeffMrandomparticle, stick to java if you want to have your hand held
22:19.00randomparticlei might have a look at the shared_ptr code
22:19.14randomparticlegrepping for it, i discovered that it only occurs within the bzfs code
22:19.16JeffMit's just reference counted objects
22:19.25JeffMyeah we only did it for the server for now
22:19.36randomparticleso disabling bzfs allowed bzflag to compile. which is ok, since i'm not working on bzfs
22:19.42JeffMthis was our first foray in to C++11 to ensure everyone has support
22:21.49randomparticlehave you been having trouble with memory leaks?
22:22.41JeffMin general or with that one use of shared_ptr?
22:22.53randomparticlebefore using that
22:23.05JeffMnot that anyone had complained about
22:23.14JeffMbut I know there are some in bzflag
22:26.26randomparticlegiven how isolated those instances are, i might just give boost a try for now, as a temporary fixup
22:27.02randomparticlenot that it matters terribly for me
22:27.14randomparticlebut i'd be interested to see if it works
22:35.49JeffMboost is a great library
22:36.00JeffMlarge but a quite useful
22:36.44alpha1-2is it entirely free?
22:38.12JeffMyeah
22:38.17JeffMyou get all the source
22:38.23JeffMit's mostly just headers
22:38.56alpha1-2i was heared that not entirely... maybe some mp3 features then
22:39.07alpha1-2had*
22:39.32JeffMI don't know why boost would have code for Mp3
22:39.36JeffMit's not a game library
22:39.44JeffMit's a general computing library
22:40.18blast007it boosts the volume of your songs
22:41.04alpha1-2well, I just had heared and seen time ago...
22:41.24JeffMit has it's own license
22:41.28JeffMit isn't GPL or LGPL
22:44.00alpha1-2ok
22:44.04alpha1-2GPL compatible Yes
22:44.06alpha1-2Copyleft No
22:44.13alpha1-2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_Software_License
22:44.19alpha1-2similar to BSD then
22:44.34JeffMyeah it has it's own because people use it in comercial software
22:44.39JeffMwe use it at work
22:44.42alpha1-2ah
22:45.17alpha1-2for a commercial soft right?
22:45.22alpha1-2propietary*
22:45.25JeffMyeah
22:46.17alpha1-2and what license do you use finally, any own one?
22:46.39JeffMwe have a EULA
22:46.55alpha1-2ok, 1 license 1 machine like?
22:46.57JeffMthe end user does not get our code so there is no code license, all rights reserved
22:47.04JeffMhuh?
22:47.19JeffMour software is secured in various ways, mostly hardware keys
22:47.36alpha1-21 license per machine right?
22:47.50JeffMgeneraly
22:47.58JeffMper key
22:48.03alpha1-2ok
22:48.04JeffMyou can take the key from one comptuer to another
22:48.09JeffMsome users do that
22:48.50alpha1-2what kind of hard key? parallel port?
22:48.55JeffMUSB
22:49.07alpha1-2I am a few old then :P
22:49.08JeffMfew computers come with LPT these days
22:49.15JeffMwe used to use LPT
22:49.20alpha1-2ah ok
22:49.38alpha1-2nice
22:49.42JeffMor ADB
22:50.12alpha1-2Apple Desktop Bus?
22:50.16JeffMyup
22:50.55alpha1-2it is similar to PS/2
22:51.08JeffMonly in the connector
22:51.17JeffMdifferent pins
22:52.09alpha1-2but Macs had some other port apart of PS/2 (called ADB) or it was the PS/2?
22:52.22alpha1-2the same*
22:52.34JeffMit had 2 serial ports that were similar shapes
22:52.38JeffMstill different pins
22:52.47JeffMthe "modem" and the "printer" port
22:52.58JeffMbut both did serial connections
22:53.06alpha1-2I have 2 PS/2 ports actually, keyboard and mouse
22:53.18JeffMsome computers still do
22:53.22JeffMstill not the same as ADB
22:53.43alpha1-2but in Macs they both was called ADB right?
22:54.06alpha1-2ok
22:54.42alpha1-2then how much  serial buses did u have in old Macs in ADB stage? :P
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22:56.09JeffMno, ADB, Modem, and Printer
22:56.13JeffMthey were differnet ports
22:56.18JeffMmacs never had PS2
22:56.25alpha1-2ah ok
22:56.59alpha1-2but then u had 2 ADB for keyboard and mouse right?
22:57.09alpha1-2like PCs PS/2
23:00.00JeffMno
23:00.04JeffMit's a BUS
23:00.12JeffMyou pluged your mouse into your keyboard
23:00.20JeffMyou could chain them or get hubs
23:00.29JeffMsome had 2 some had 1
23:01.55alpha1-2it was similar to modern USB (hot plug) then?
23:03.44alpha1-2where did you put your keyboard + mouse, there?
23:04.22blast007https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus
23:04.51alpha1-2ok ok...
23:04.55JeffMno, it was not hot plug
23:05.33JeffMthey keyboard would connect to the ADB, and the keybard was also an ADB hub, and had ports on the left and right for mice
23:05.48alpha1-2ahh nice
23:05.57JeffMnot really, USB is better
23:06.04alpha1-2Mac always developed its own hard :)
23:06.17JeffMuntill I didn't
23:06.34JeffMit not I
23:06.50JeffMcurrent macs are very similar to intel reference designs
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23:07.29alpha1-2ahh I guess, from some stage to nowadays
23:08.15JeffMthey swaped to intel long ago
23:08.26JeffM05,06
23:08.49alpha1-2ok... and no more weird ports/buses? :)
23:09.04JeffMnot really
23:09.26JeffMthat's why I can run windows on my mac
23:09.45alpha1-2ok, I never used Macs, then it is a unknown world mostly fo me
23:09.59JeffMit's really just an OS these days
23:10.04alpha1-2ah ok
23:10.11JeffMthe comptuers are PC with custom EFI bios
23:10.53alpha1-2anytime did they made until its own microprocessors maybe?
23:10.57alpha1-2make*
23:11.08JeffMno
23:11.14alpha1-2I thought
23:11.32JeffMmotorolla 680x0 , IBM PPC, then intel
23:11.56alpha1-2ah ok
23:13.03alpha1-2I think I have EFI BIOS too in this notebook
23:13.15JeffMmany modern systems use EFI
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23:15.12alpha1-2it is something relatively new it seems
23:15.15alpha1-2http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Efi-simple.svg/500px-Efi-simple.svg.png
23:15.30JeffMyeah last few years
23:15.59alpha1-2maybe you can configure all BIOS features and pass it to OS, or something
23:16.26alpha1-2I will have to learn it :P
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