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22:06.13 | randomparticle | w00ters |
22:06.24 | randomparticle | problem resolved |
22:06.43 | randomparticle | well.. xcode wasn't copying the framework into the bzflag.app bundle |
22:07.04 | randomparticle | so, i guess, it must have been picking up the wrong framework somehow |
22:07.53 | randomparticle | i'm not sure how that works. normally, if a framework is not in the expected location (as revealed by otool -L), the dynamic linker complains |
22:08.31 | randomparticle | otool output: @executable_path/../Frameworks/SDL.framework/Versions/A/SDL |
22:09.59 | Erroneous | hah, I love that Xcode has a "Crash" button. Visual Studio has "Ignore," which does the same thing, but makes you hope that maybe THIS time it won't crash... |
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22:11.40 | JeffM | randomparticle, stick to java if you want to have your hand held |
22:19.00 | randomparticle | i might have a look at the shared_ptr code |
22:19.14 | randomparticle | grepping for it, i discovered that it only occurs within the bzfs code |
22:19.16 | JeffM | it's just reference counted objects |
22:19.25 | JeffM | yeah we only did it for the server for now |
22:19.36 | randomparticle | so disabling bzfs allowed bzflag to compile. which is ok, since i'm not working on bzfs |
22:19.42 | JeffM | this was our first foray in to C++11 to ensure everyone has support |
22:21.49 | randomparticle | have you been having trouble with memory leaks? |
22:22.41 | JeffM | in general or with that one use of shared_ptr? |
22:22.53 | randomparticle | before using that |
22:23.05 | JeffM | not that anyone had complained about |
22:23.14 | JeffM | but I know there are some in bzflag |
22:26.26 | randomparticle | given how isolated those instances are, i might just give boost a try for now, as a temporary fixup |
22:27.02 | randomparticle | not that it matters terribly for me |
22:27.14 | randomparticle | but i'd be interested to see if it works |
22:35.49 | JeffM | boost is a great library |
22:36.00 | JeffM | large but a quite useful |
22:36.44 | alpha1-2 | is it entirely free? |
22:38.12 | JeffM | yeah |
22:38.17 | JeffM | you get all the source |
22:38.23 | JeffM | it's mostly just headers |
22:38.56 | alpha1-2 | i was heared that not entirely... maybe some mp3 features then |
22:39.07 | alpha1-2 | had* |
22:39.32 | JeffM | I don't know why boost would have code for Mp3 |
22:39.36 | JeffM | it's not a game library |
22:39.44 | JeffM | it's a general computing library |
22:40.18 | blast007 | it boosts the volume of your songs |
22:41.04 | alpha1-2 | well, I just had heared and seen time ago... |
22:41.24 | JeffM | it has it's own license |
22:41.28 | JeffM | it isn't GPL or LGPL |
22:44.00 | alpha1-2 | ok |
22:44.04 | alpha1-2 | GPL compatible Yes |
22:44.06 | alpha1-2 | Copyleft No |
22:44.13 | alpha1-2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_Software_License |
22:44.19 | alpha1-2 | similar to BSD then |
22:44.34 | JeffM | yeah it has it's own because people use it in comercial software |
22:44.39 | JeffM | we use it at work |
22:44.42 | alpha1-2 | ah |
22:45.17 | alpha1-2 | for a commercial soft right? |
22:45.22 | alpha1-2 | propietary* |
22:45.25 | JeffM | yeah |
22:46.17 | alpha1-2 | and what license do you use finally, any own one? |
22:46.39 | JeffM | we have a EULA |
22:46.55 | alpha1-2 | ok, 1 license 1 machine like? |
22:46.57 | JeffM | the end user does not get our code so there is no code license, all rights reserved |
22:47.04 | JeffM | huh? |
22:47.19 | JeffM | our software is secured in various ways, mostly hardware keys |
22:47.36 | alpha1-2 | 1 license per machine right? |
22:47.50 | JeffM | generaly |
22:47.58 | JeffM | per key |
22:48.03 | alpha1-2 | ok |
22:48.04 | JeffM | you can take the key from one comptuer to another |
22:48.09 | JeffM | some users do that |
22:48.50 | alpha1-2 | what kind of hard key? parallel port? |
22:48.55 | JeffM | USB |
22:49.07 | alpha1-2 | I am a few old then :P |
22:49.08 | JeffM | few computers come with LPT these days |
22:49.15 | JeffM | we used to use LPT |
22:49.20 | alpha1-2 | ah ok |
22:49.38 | alpha1-2 | nice |
22:49.42 | JeffM | or ADB |
22:50.12 | alpha1-2 | Apple Desktop Bus? |
22:50.16 | JeffM | yup |
22:50.55 | alpha1-2 | it is similar to PS/2 |
22:51.08 | JeffM | only in the connector |
22:51.17 | JeffM | different pins |
22:52.09 | alpha1-2 | but Macs had some other port apart of PS/2 (called ADB) or it was the PS/2? |
22:52.22 | alpha1-2 | the same* |
22:52.34 | JeffM | it had 2 serial ports that were similar shapes |
22:52.38 | JeffM | still different pins |
22:52.47 | JeffM | the "modem" and the "printer" port |
22:52.58 | JeffM | but both did serial connections |
22:53.06 | alpha1-2 | I have 2 PS/2 ports actually, keyboard and mouse |
22:53.18 | JeffM | some computers still do |
22:53.22 | JeffM | still not the same as ADB |
22:53.43 | alpha1-2 | but in Macs they both was called ADB right? |
22:54.06 | alpha1-2 | ok |
22:54.42 | alpha1-2 | then how much serial buses did u have in old Macs in ADB stage? :P |
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22:56.09 | JeffM | no, ADB, Modem, and Printer |
22:56.13 | JeffM | they were differnet ports |
22:56.18 | JeffM | macs never had PS2 |
22:56.25 | alpha1-2 | ah ok |
22:56.59 | alpha1-2 | but then u had 2 ADB for keyboard and mouse right? |
22:57.09 | alpha1-2 | like PCs PS/2 |
23:00.00 | JeffM | no |
23:00.04 | JeffM | it's a BUS |
23:00.12 | JeffM | you pluged your mouse into your keyboard |
23:00.20 | JeffM | you could chain them or get hubs |
23:00.29 | JeffM | some had 2 some had 1 |
23:01.55 | alpha1-2 | it was similar to modern USB (hot plug) then? |
23:03.44 | alpha1-2 | where did you put your keyboard + mouse, there? |
23:04.22 | blast007 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus |
23:04.51 | alpha1-2 | ok ok... |
23:04.55 | JeffM | no, it was not hot plug |
23:05.33 | JeffM | they keyboard would connect to the ADB, and the keybard was also an ADB hub, and had ports on the left and right for mice |
23:05.48 | alpha1-2 | ahh nice |
23:05.57 | JeffM | not really, USB is better |
23:06.04 | alpha1-2 | Mac always developed its own hard :) |
23:06.17 | JeffM | untill I didn't |
23:06.34 | JeffM | it not I |
23:06.50 | JeffM | current macs are very similar to intel reference designs |
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23:07.29 | alpha1-2 | ahh I guess, from some stage to nowadays |
23:08.15 | JeffM | they swaped to intel long ago |
23:08.26 | JeffM | 05,06 |
23:08.49 | alpha1-2 | ok... and no more weird ports/buses? :) |
23:09.04 | JeffM | not really |
23:09.26 | JeffM | that's why I can run windows on my mac |
23:09.45 | alpha1-2 | ok, I never used Macs, then it is a unknown world mostly fo me |
23:09.59 | JeffM | it's really just an OS these days |
23:10.04 | alpha1-2 | ah ok |
23:10.11 | JeffM | the comptuers are PC with custom EFI bios |
23:10.53 | alpha1-2 | anytime did they made until its own microprocessors maybe? |
23:10.57 | alpha1-2 | make* |
23:11.08 | JeffM | no |
23:11.14 | alpha1-2 | I thought |
23:11.32 | JeffM | motorolla 680x0 , IBM PPC, then intel |
23:11.56 | alpha1-2 | ah ok |
23:13.03 | alpha1-2 | I think I have EFI BIOS too in this notebook |
23:13.15 | JeffM | many modern systems use EFI |
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23:15.12 | alpha1-2 | it is something relatively new it seems |
23:15.15 | alpha1-2 | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Efi-simple.svg/500px-Efi-simple.svg.png |
23:15.30 | JeffM | yeah last few years |
23:15.59 | alpha1-2 | maybe you can configure all BIOS features and pass it to OS, or something |
23:16.26 | alpha1-2 | I will have to learn it :P |
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