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| 00:19.35 | alpha1-2 | Does the strayer's web page count the total of online servers from the server list (the same that the BZ client)? |
| 00:19.55 | blast007 | it counts them all, not just the ones that are compatible with your client |
| 00:20.07 | blast007 | there are still some 2.0.x servers |
| 00:20.58 | blast007 | well, and I shouldn't say "all". It counts all the *public* servers. There are some servers that use our list services that show up for only a select set of users (or for nobody) |
| 00:21.49 | alpha1-2 | ahhh, I see, because there is a difference of 12 servers |
| 00:22.32 | alpha1-2 | if I have 2.4.0 version, which server versions won't be compatible with my client? |
| 00:23.59 | blast007 | any that aren't 2.4.x :P |
| 00:24.07 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 00:24.45 | blast007 | of course, you can see all of them here: http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 00:26.25 | alpha1-2 | there I count a difference of 5 |
| 00:26.49 | blast007 | yep |
| 00:26.57 | blast007 | 5 2.0.x servers |
| 00:29.09 | alpha1-2 | I correct myself: BZ Client: 163; my.bzflag: 168; strayer: 175 |
| 00:30.21 | alpha1-2 | I was right: 5 diff with my.bzflag, and 12 with strayer |
| 00:30.53 | alpha1-2 | how can you set a server for be shown to only a select number of clients? |
| 00:31.29 | blast007 | -advertise |
| 00:32.04 | alpha1-2 | ahh, you give the IP/port and all done :) |
| 00:32.11 | blast007 | no |
| 00:32.17 | blast007 | you pass it a group name... |
| 00:32.29 | blast007 | that's a server option |
| 00:32.59 | alpha1-2 | let mesee... |
| 00:33.23 | alpha1-2 | #-groupdb server.groups? |
| 00:34.12 | alpha1-2 | the whole art: |
| 00:34.14 | alpha1-2 | part |
| 00:34.17 | alpha1-2 | # Registered player files which will be loaded on startup. |
| 00:34.18 | alpha1-2 | #-passdb server.pass |
| 00:34.20 | alpha1-2 | #-userdb server.users |
| 00:34.21 | alpha1-2 | #-groupdb server.groups |
| 00:34.24 | blast007 | what? |
| 00:34.30 | alpha1-2 | bzfs file |
| 00:34.56 | alpha1-2 | bzfs.conf file |
| 00:35.21 | blast007 | what do any of those have to do with the -advertise option? |
| 00:37.01 | alpha1-2 | I don't find "-advertise" option inside the file , just this: |
| 00:37.04 | alpha1-2 | # This is the public message that the server advertises on the public |
| 00:37.05 | alpha1-2 | # server list. This is required if you want to be shown on the list. |
| 00:37.07 | alpha1-2 | # It often advertises the map you are using. Keep it short. |
| 00:37.08 | alpha1-2 | #-publictitle "Some wizbang BZFlag server - I need to read instructions" |
| 00:38.13 | blast007 | inside what file? |
| 00:38.19 | alpha1-2 | bzfs.conf |
| 00:38.40 | blast007 | okay, that's a filename... where did you get that? |
| 00:39.22 | alpha1-2 | isn't it the default bzfs config name? |
| 00:39.32 | alpha1-2 | file name* |
| 00:39.42 | blast007 | ?? |
| 00:39.43 | blast007 | no |
| 00:39.52 | blast007 | where is this stuff coming from? |
| 00:40.03 | alpha1-2 | let me see |
| 00:40.17 | alpha1-2 | ah ok |
| 00:41.03 | alpha1-2 | I had to call this way renaming the "Personal.conf" or the "Sample.conf" file |
| 00:41.21 | alpha1-2 | surely |
| 00:41.33 | blast007 | where did you GET THIS? |
| 00:41.45 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 00:41.51 | alpha1-2 | let me remember... |
| 00:41.58 | blast007 | the wiki? the source code checkout? the install package? |
| 00:42.09 | blast007 | regardless, read the documentation |
| 00:43.34 | alpha1-2 | here bzflag-2.4.0/misc/bzfs.conf |
| 00:43.51 | alpha1-2 | i think |
| 00:43.54 | blast007 | don't use sample configurations |
| 00:44.05 | blast007 | read the documentation |
| 00:44.49 | alpha1-2 | but it supposed to be that the sample file contains all the options (commented and uncommented), or not? |
| 00:45.01 | blast007 | no, it's just a sample file that someone put in there |
| 00:45.06 | blast007 | I hate sample configuration files |
| 00:45.06 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 00:45.15 | blast007 | don't use them. READ the documentation. |
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| 00:45.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v JeffM] by ChanServ |
| 00:46.14 | alpha1-2 | wow I just run the bzfs_conf.html side byside the other file and it gives me an web page to configurate all it seems |
| 00:46.38 | alpha1-2 | BZFS Configuration Builder |
| 00:46.47 | alpha1-2 | just commenting it |
| 00:46.59 | alpha1-2 | it seems interesting |
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| 00:49.15 | blast007 | avoid that too |
| 00:49.24 | alpha1-2 | eh |
| 00:49.28 | alpha1-2 | let me be happy :) |
| 00:49.39 | blast007 | why can't you just read the documentation we provide? |
| 00:50.00 | alpha1-2 | I am reading it, I just thuogt that the bzfs file had all the options |
| 00:50.41 | blast007 | bzfs -help |
| 00:50.44 | blast007 | man bzfs |
| 00:50.48 | blast007 | there, all the options |
| 00:51.00 | alpha1-2 | and in the wiki too? |
| 00:51.13 | blast007 | don't trust the wiki |
| 00:51.18 | alpha1-2 | ohhh ok |
| 00:51.20 | blast007 | that might have outdated info |
| 00:51.20 | JeffM | the wiki is a lie! |
| 00:51.26 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 00:51.39 | alpha1-2 | who is the gulty??? :) |
| 00:52.03 | blast007 | Cast in the name of God, Ye not guilty |
| 00:52.04 | alpha1-2 | right now I am reading a sample file conf in the wiki :P |
| 00:53.02 | JeffM | BIG O.. AN ACTION! |
| 00:53.02 | alpha1-2 | (I didnt understand that comment, but np) |
| 00:53.28 | alpha1-2 | ofc always the man or help docs is better |
| 00:53.52 | JeffM | don't let the man keep you down |
| 00:53.57 | alpha1-2 | I just didn't think about of that :P |
| 00:54.39 | alpha1-2 | right, I will fight against the man and the help ;) |
| 00:55.05 | JeffM | the help HTML is built directly from the man page |
| 00:55.20 | JeffM | the help dump from the server is always correct for that version of the server |
| 00:55.31 | blast007 | unless we screwed up ;) |
| 00:55.36 | blast007 | but that never happens! |
| 00:56.47 | alpha1-2 | wow this seems a pro man page ;)! |
| 00:57.01 | alpha1-2 | good job! |
| 00:57.40 | alpha1-2 | yeah -advertise options, I am happy now!!! |
| 00:57.41 | blast007 | it's even better with 3D glasses on. the words jump right out at you. |
| 00:58.02 | alpha1-2 | wow |
| 00:58.10 | JeffM | I like walking behind it to see the secret message |
| 00:58.24 | alpha1-2 | is finding his old cool 3D glasses quickly! |
| 00:58.53 | alpha1-2 | wow I am fighting with the words in all directions! |
| 00:58.58 | alpha1-2 | against* |
| 01:00.08 | alpha1-2 | seeing the secret message just dizzy me :P |
| 01:00.16 | alpha1-2 | I can't |
| 01:00.37 | alpha1-2 | dizzies* |
| 01:01.59 | alpha1-2 | one question, I already read the docs, I made my homework: if the server is private, how could strayer shows it? |
| 01:03.05 | alpha1-2 | because you put -advertise strayer? |
| 01:03.29 | JeffM | if it shows on the list server then he canns it |
| 01:03.32 | JeffM | scanns |
| 01:03.49 | JeffM | private servers don't show up on the list |
| 01:05.17 | alpha1-2 | I found these differences, and I still don't understand it: |
| 01:05.19 | alpha1-2 | BZ Client: 163; my.bzflag: 168; strayer: 175 |
| 01:05.31 | alpha1-2 | servers |
| 01:05.59 | alpha1-2 | blast said me that 5 servers are 2.0.x version iirc |
| 01:06.04 | JeffM | he has some private ones he knows to scan |
| 01:06.13 | alpha1-2 | then that is the diff between 1st and second |
| 01:06.24 | alpha1-2 | but vs strayer? |
| 01:06.55 | JeffM | strayer has his own list of other servers he scanns |
| 01:07.19 | alpha1-2 | privates or publics? |
| 01:07.59 | JeffM | he runs stats for a few private servers |
| 01:08.06 | JeffM | he knows the address of them |
| 01:08.10 | JeffM | they are for some leauges |
| 01:08.39 | alpha1-2 | I am counting from his web page, so I assume that there are all public, am I right? |
| 01:08.48 | JeffM | you are wrong |
| 01:08.59 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 01:09.10 | alpha1-2 | so that is the diff |
| 01:09.22 | alpha1-2 | 7 privates servers |
| 01:09.25 | alpha1-2 | private* |
| 01:09.33 | JeffM | it is just a list of servers he choose to check in addition to the public list |
| 01:09.37 | alpha1-2 | it seems |
| 01:09.48 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 01:10.02 | alpha1-2 | now I understand |
| 01:10.05 | alpha1-2 | thanks |
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| 01:33.33 | alpha1-2 | ok I found the 7 servers: all say "1vs1c13" |
| 01:34.00 | alpha1-2 | in league field |
| 01:34.10 | alpha1-2 | in strayer |
| 01:35.04 | alpha1-2 | they have the same port that the other server (repeated) but with that txt difference |
| 01:35.05 | JeffM | yeah that's the private leauge he provides stats for |
| 01:36.02 | alpha1-2 | ok, any relation with the next 1vs1 tournament or it is other thing? |
| 01:36.11 | JeffM | probably |
| 01:36.18 | JeffM | he helps out some of the leauges with stuff |
| 01:36.40 | alpha1-2 | ok :)... ah yes, strayer I remember, in 1vs1 league |
| 01:37.31 | alpha1-2 | well, it was funny finding it :) |
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| 03:15.24 | alpha1-2 | I am reading about MinGW, in comparaison to Cygwin, and these paragraphs are interesting: |
| 03:15.32 | alpha1-2 | "MinGW aims to provide native functionality and performance via direct Windows API calls. Unlike Cygwin, MinGW does not require a compatibility layer DLL and thus programs do not need to be distributed with source code." |
| 03:15.37 | alpha1-2 | "The combination of MinGW and MSYS provides a small, self-contained environment that can be loaded onto removable media without leaving entries in the registry or files on the computer. Cygwin Portable provides a similar feature. By providing more functionality, Cygwin becomes more complicated to install and maintain." |
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| 03:15.47 | alpha1-2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mingw#Components |
| 03:16.05 | alpha1-2 | Sorry, this link instead: |
| 03:16.07 | alpha1-2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mingw#Comparison_with_Cygwin |
| 03:17.31 | JeffM | they are different things |
| 03:18.12 | JeffM | that ascii thing works with 2 dlls |
| 03:18.18 | JeffM | I got it and the GUI to show up |
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| 03:19.13 | alpha1-2 | di they both, command and GUI versions, work? :) |
| 03:19.16 | alpha1-2 | did* |
| 03:19.22 | JeffM | ya |
| 03:19.26 | alpha1-2 | great! |
| 03:19.30 | alpha1-2 | what windows? |
| 03:19.55 | blast007 | he grabed the necessary DLLs from MinGW and Qt |
| 03:20.04 | JeffM | it didn't need QT |
| 03:20.07 | JeffM | just mingw |
| 03:20.22 | JeffM | 2 of the runtimes |
| 03:20.34 | JeffM | it'd work on any windows with those 2 dlls |
| 03:20.40 | alpha1-2 | 1 runtime from each one (minGW and QT)? |
| 03:20.44 | JeffM | nope |
| 03:20.49 | JeffM | just 2 different mingw ones |
| 03:21.06 | alpha1-2 | then Qt static linked? |
| 03:21.12 | JeffM | if it uses it |
| 03:21.16 | JeffM | but sure |
| 03:21.22 | alpha1-2 | I saw tq folder in src |
| 03:21.25 | JeffM | k |
| 03:21.26 | alpha1-2 | qt* |
| 03:21.35 | blast007 | yeah, said the GUI used Qt |
| 03:21.56 | JeffM | mingw dosn't link the same way as VC so they problably went static since they could not link to the normal QT dlls |
| 03:22.18 | alpha1-2 | who said? |
| 03:22.43 | JeffM | that's just my guess |
| 03:22.53 | JeffM | I didn't care enough to dig into it |
| 03:22.53 | alpha1-2 | blast007: who said? |
| 03:23.08 | blast007 | their readme or something |
| 03:23.09 | JeffM | the lord |
| 03:23.13 | alpha1-2 | eh |
| 03:23.18 | JeffM | Steve |
| 03:23.24 | JeffM | well Chuck really |
| 03:23.24 | alpha1-2 | are u upet already? :D |
| 03:23.28 | alpha1-2 | upset* |
| 03:23.37 | JeffM | All hail Chuck |
| 03:25.03 | alpha1-2 | then what should I do now? |
| 03:25.11 | JeffM | what do you want to do? |
| 03:25.15 | alpha1-2 | about the post and the 2 libraries |
| 03:25.34 | alpha1-2 | well |
| 03:25.35 | JeffM | tell them to install mingw |
| 03:26.00 | alpha1-2 | Windows users (needed tests/confirmations): the programs (".exe" files) will possibly need an installation of MinGW to fulfilling the libraries dependency. Compilation untested. Other way would be using PuTTY, running a "cat msglog.txt" command and doing copy/paste to an office editor. The "msglog.txt" file is saved 1 level up from your config file - see wiki below. |
| 03:26.01 | alpha1-2 | http://www.mingw.org |
| 03:26.03 | alpha1-2 | http://www.putty.org/ |
| 03:26.04 | alpha1-2 | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Config_File |
| 03:26.29 | JeffM | if that's what you want to do, sure |
| 03:26.30 | alpha1-2 | that was I put before |
| 03:26.58 | blast007 | ah, that's where I saw it.. on the SF page ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/ansifilter/ ) the "User Interface" is listed as Qt |
| 03:27.13 | blast007 | perhaps they have it wrong though |
| 03:27.27 | alpha1-2 | ok blast007 thanks |
| 03:27.35 | alpha1-2 | I see it |
| 03:28.08 | blast007 | and they have a src/qt-gui/ directory in their source ;) |
| 03:28.12 | JeffM | has anyone requested it work on widows? |
| 03:28.47 | swigg | I am a widow |
| 03:29.03 | swigg | or widower, more accurately |
| 03:29.14 | alpha1-2 | JeffM: then, what you did was check the command line and GUI version of ANSIFilter, right? not any check of any windows script nor Libreoffice command to obtain the conversion? |
| 03:29.36 | JeffM | oh god no, I don't actualy care about your thing |
| 03:29.42 | JeffM | I just ran the tool |
| 03:29.58 | JeffM | because I was curious about that part |
| 03:30.07 | alpha1-2 | yes blast007 I said it before :) |
| 03:30.30 | blast007 | be more useful to just let /savemsgs output HTML |
| 03:31.24 | JeffM | save it on the server |
| 03:31.32 | alpha1-2 | the script does both outputs: HTML first, and then, from HTML to PDF |
| 03:31.44 | blast007 | alpha1-2: I mean the client itself |
| 03:32.28 | alpha1-2 | yes, I was thinking about it, as you said me before... I am thinkin what next step to do :P |
| 03:32.38 | JeffM | the use of an external tool is too involved |
| 03:33.48 | alpha1-2 | the problem with making the client to do HTMl output is the need to DEVELOP it :) |
| 03:34.32 | alpha1-2 | but it would be useful for multiplatform compatibility though |
| 03:35.13 | JeffM | it's just code |
| 03:36.45 | alpha1-2 | have yuo tried JeffM to run command line this way with the log? "ansifilter.exe -d msglog --html msglog.txt > temp.html" |
| 03:37.01 | JeffM | no |
| 03:37.08 | JeffM | I threw it all away |
| 03:37.23 | alpha1-2 | the > modifier is allowed in windows right? I dont remember well |
| 03:37.29 | JeffM | yes you can redirect |
| 03:37.37 | JeffM | you can not pipe but you can redirect output |
| 03:37.41 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 03:37.45 | blast007 | you can pipe as well |
| 03:37.57 | JeffM | did they make it a real terminal? |
| 03:38.41 | blast007 | at least the cmd.exe in XP and up |
| 03:38.41 | alpha1-2 | swigg: if you want you can try some tests in windows version: http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18559 |
| 03:39.02 | blast007 | alpha1-2: no he can't, because he'd have to find all the DLLs ;) |
| 03:39.23 | alpha1-2 | me/ is needing still some Mac/other systems tests |
| 03:39.31 | alpha1-2 | is needing still some Mac/other systems tests |
| 03:39.39 | JeffM | just wait till a real user tries it |
| 03:40.38 | alpha1-2 | blast007: I put in th post how to download the needed libraries , or the second option with PuTTY :) |
| 03:40.50 | blast007 | putty? |
| 03:41.07 | alpha1-2 | do upscroll here |
| 03:41.42 | JeffM | putty is a terminal program |
| 03:41.42 | blast007 | so by "putty" you mean "connect to a linux system and do it there"? :) |
| 03:42.02 | JeffM | that assumes they have access to a remote linux system |
| 03:42.35 | alpha1-2 | afaik PuTTY emules xterm terminal |
| 03:42.48 | JeffM | yes but what do you connect to? |
| 03:42.52 | blast007 | alpha1-2: it connects to remote servers... |
| 03:43.01 | blast007 | telnet, SSH, serial port, etc |
| 03:43.10 | alpha1-2 | th local system? |
| 03:43.18 | blast007 | no.. |
| 03:43.29 | JeffM | windows has no services that will accept the conection by default |
| 03:43.34 | JeffM | windows is not unix |
| 03:43.53 | alpha1-2 | PuTTY is a free and open-source terminal emulator, serial console and network file transfer application. |
| 03:44.04 | JeffM | we know what putty is |
| 03:44.10 | blast007 | I'm using Putty right now.. |
| 03:44.13 | JeffM | we have both used it |
| 03:44.14 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:44.23 | JeffM | it connects to things |
| 03:44.26 | alpha1-2 | Emulates most xterm, VT102 control sequences, as well as much of ECMA-48 terminal emulation. |
| 03:44.41 | JeffM | how do you expect them to use it with out a server? |
| 03:44.54 | blast007 | I'm chatting to you through putty. Running Putty on my Windows XP laptop, connected over SSH to my linux server in another state, running GNU screen, running irssi (a command line IRC client) |
| 03:45.18 | alpha1-2 | you are telling me that PuTTY can't do a "cat msglog.txt" command locally and show all the ANSI colors? |
| 03:45.21 | blast007 | no |
| 03:45.23 | JeffM | no |
| 03:45.32 | JeffM | it is not a shell |
| 03:45.39 | JeffM | it is a terminal |
| 03:46.01 | JeffM | cygwin can probalby do what you are thinking of but not putty |
| 03:46.06 | JeffM | putty connects to things |
| 03:46.21 | alpha1-2 | ok, let me see.... |
| 03:46.57 | alpha1-2 | according to ANSIFilter page: |
| 03:46.58 | alpha1-2 | You can't solve all problems by installing Cygwin, so ansifilter comes to the rescue: |
| 03:47.21 | alpha1-2 | so, mayb with Cygwin |
| 03:47.24 | alpha1-2 | :P |
| 03:47.43 | JeffM | I have no idea where you got putty from all that |
| 03:47.50 | blast007 | this is becoming far too complicated to be useful |
| 03:48.29 | JeffM | becoming? how about "Started out" |
| 03:48.32 | blast007 | ;D |
| 03:49.05 | blast007 | this would be so much easier if we just integrated a UNIX shell into the BZFlag chat console, right? |
| 03:49.14 | JeffM | sure |
| 03:49.20 | JeffM | cus that will work on windows |
| 03:49.26 | blast007 | cygwin! |
| 03:49.27 | alpha1-2 | I read it somewhere and then I thought that being xterm emulator.... but you can't connect to localhost because Windows doesn't have a server right? |
| 03:49.30 | JeffM | hey how are your OS counts now, after a couple days? |
| 03:49.42 | JeffM | yeah windows is not an SSH server |
| 03:49.48 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 03:49.56 | JeffM | windows is not unix |
| 03:50.00 | blast007 | 536 Windows, 258 Linux, 246 Mac OS X, 1 FreeBSD |
| 03:50.19 | JeffM | heh, 1 bsd |
| 03:50.20 | alpha1-2 | I understand... but I put "Windows users (needed tests/confirmations)" ;) |
| 03:50.21 | DTRemenak | go, FreeBSD man, whoever you are! |
| 03:50.23 | blast007 | (with some overlap) |
| 03:50.30 | JeffM | DTRemenak, was it you? |
| 03:50.35 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 03:50.41 | alpha1-2 | so thanks for your test/confirmations :D |
| 03:51.13 | DTRemenak | just thinking that we have "that guy on FreeBSD" makes me chuckle. |
| 03:51.28 | DTRemenak | used to be "that guy on Solaris", but I guess he quit |
| 03:51.54 | JeffM | 51% windows, 24%linux, 23% mac |
| 03:52.08 | blast007 | those numbers are based on unique IP addresses, and can include overlaps (so the same IP could have both Windows and Mac, for instance) |
| 03:52.12 | JeffM | so linux and mac seem to be fighting over the non windows half |
| 03:52.14 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 03:52.16 | DTRemenak | ...and 0.1% bsd ;) |
| 03:52.19 | JeffM | well still it's interesting |
| 03:52.57 | JeffM | blast007, that just from you or from you and mofo? |
| 03:53.11 | blast007 | mofo and my servers |
| 03:53.14 | JeffM | k |
| 03:53.27 | alpha1-2 | how can yo check mofo inputs? |
| 03:53.27 | DTRemenak | probably a decent estimate of the total number of players active, then |
| 03:53.39 | JeffM | yeah 1000 over 3-4 days |
| 03:53.55 | blast007 | alpha1-2: because they run a plugin of mine that sends me their player joins |
| 03:54.03 | alpha1-2 | ohh cool |
| 03:54.09 | JeffM | some are probalby IP drifts for the same players |
| 03:54.15 | DTRemenak | blast007 is the NSA of bzflag ;) |
| 03:54.16 | alpha1-2 | a kinda of "spy " plugin ? :) |
| 03:54.24 | JeffM | no it's a logging plugin |
| 03:54.35 | alpha1-2 | yes i understand just joking :) |
| 03:54.54 | JeffM | hopefuly for 2.6 everyone will send joins and parts to the loging system |
| 03:54.56 | DTRemenak | JeffM: yeah, and on the other side there are probably some players who only hit other servers |
| 03:55.05 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:55.13 | JeffM | it's not a bad number to have, just thinking out loud |
| 03:55.21 | JeffM | the mofo will give a good cross section |
| 03:55.29 | JeffM | at least on the OS side |
| 03:55.34 | JeffM | getting a leauge would be nice too |
| 03:55.40 | blast007 | it runs on my two league servers as well |
| 03:55.44 | JeffM | k |
| 03:55.59 | DTRemenak | mofo is likely to be windows-heavy. ducati was always linux-heavy, for reasons I never understood |
| 03:56.22 | alpha1-2 | I think that the players are divided in 2 or 3 big groups |
| 03:56.23 | JeffM | you have to enter a valid tar command before you can play on Ducati |
| 03:56.32 | alpha1-2 | mofo, leagues and others |
| 03:56.49 | alpha1-2 | so, maybe it isnt a good aproximation :P |
| 03:57.03 | DTRemenak | all three of those are represented |
| 03:57.11 | JeffM | the stats are about what I expected |
| 03:57.14 | DTRemenak | like blast007 said, he does run league servers |
| 03:57.21 | alpha1-2 | no |
| 03:57.24 | blast007 | GU league, specifically |
| 03:57.26 | JeffM | actualy I did think that OSX would be a little igher |
| 03:57.29 | alpha1-2 | he just run some of them |
| 03:57.41 | alpha1-2 | people often change of league servers |
| 03:57.46 | blast007 | alpha1-2: I still run league servers.. |
| 03:57.47 | alpha1-2 | continuosly |
| 03:57.51 | blast007 | we never said I run them all |
| 03:58.09 | JeffM | well not untill they all install your plugin |
| 03:58.17 | blast007 | which they probably won't |
| 03:58.27 | JeffM | if you call it a hat they will |
| 03:58.32 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 03:58.38 | JeffM | it's a collectable trading plugin |
| 03:58.40 | blast007 | and just installing it won't do anything.. they need an API key as well ;) |
| 03:59.07 | alpha1-2 | I was saying the other day that you should have together all the leagues servers for have a accurate number |
| 03:59.41 | alpha1-2 | because as I said before, the people go and back continuosly between league servers |
| 04:00.05 | blast007 | best I can do at present |
| 04:00.11 | alpha1-2 | but in group, they are mostly of thw time actives |
| 04:00.21 | blast007 | I could just ban everyone from the other servers so they have to join mine |
| 04:00.23 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:00.42 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 04:01.03 | alpha1-2 | it would be hard to do (grouping all the leagues server9 though |
| 04:01.08 | blast007 | /ban *.*.*.* 0 Go to bzexcess! Tacos! |
| 04:01.29 | blast007 | alpha1-2: grouping for what? |
| 04:01.43 | JeffM | so he can use them in putty |
| 04:01.44 | alpha1-2 | scroll up ;) |
| 04:02.00 | blast007 | alpha1-2: dunno what you mean by "group" |
| 04:02.42 | alpha1-2 | I am talking of grouping all leagues serves in any way for can make a whole count of OS clients |
| 04:02.52 | blast007 | that'd be easy |
| 04:02.55 | alpha1-2 | not a partially one |
| 04:03.07 | alpha1-2 | with your plugin? |
| 04:03.10 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:03.15 | alpha1-2 | ok I saw |
| 04:03.23 | blast007 | I already have my league servers split off separate from my main servers |
| 04:03.36 | alpha1-2 | but yuo said that it isnt easy to make |
| 04:03.48 | blast007 | what is "it"? |
| 04:03.56 | DTRemenak | alpha1-2: capturing an entire population is not really necessary. just getting a significant sample is generally good enough, and the sample he's already got is just fine. |
| 04:04.02 | alpha1-2 | saying to all that use your plgin, your words |
| 04:04.30 | blast007 | alpha1-2: I said it would be easy to group them.... not to get them all running it |
| 04:04.41 | JeffM | it isn't nessisary to get them all |
| 04:04.56 | JeffM | if we were going to do everyone we'd do the version check at the list level |
| 04:05.24 | JeffM | can't we get stats from the system that tells them if there is an update or not? dosn't that send the OS? |
| 04:05.34 | DTRemenak | no, it's the other way around |
| 04:05.45 | JeffM | oh we give them all the versions and they pick? |
| 04:05.54 | DTRemenak | the list server sends separate entries for each os, and the client chooses the right one |
| 04:05.58 | JeffM | k |
| 04:06.12 | DTRemenak | probably not the way I'd do it today, but it works |
| 04:06.17 | JeffM | sure |
| 04:06.31 | JeffM | it is a good way to protect privacy |
| 04:06.52 | blast007 | here's stats based on registered users: 232 Windows, 119 OS X, 79 Linux and... 1 FreeBSD ;) |
| 04:07.13 | alpha1-2 | DTRemenak: ok, right, but the blast's sample has to be representative. I don't know if it is, though. Maybe yes as yuo say :) |
| 04:07.16 | DTRemenak | and it meant no changes needed on the web side of things, which was a positive point for me. the less php, the better ;) |
| 04:07.43 | blast007 | and speaking of privacy, I'll be ditching Google Analytics in favor of a self-hosted analytics platform (Piwik) |
| 04:07.45 | JeffM | ahh cool, that's probalby the one to use for abstraction |
| 04:08.08 | DTRemenak | hm, linux users are *significantly* less likely to be registered than anyone else |
| 04:08.39 | JeffM | really? |
| 04:08.54 | JeffM | they don't trust us ! |
| 04:08.54 | DTRemenak | based on those numbers |
| 04:08.57 | alpha1-2 | its weird |
| 04:09.17 | JeffM | it would be nice to know what percentage of people do register |
| 04:09.28 | DTRemenak | looks like about half ;) |
| 04:09.33 | blast007 | hard to say exactly, because it's possible that some that are registered are on highly dynamic IPs as well.. |
| 04:09.36 | alpha1-2 | blast007: do yo have that numbers based in Forum registers wen users first time signed up? |
| 04:09.40 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:09.48 | blast007 | would need more complicated queries and analysis to be sure |
| 04:09.52 | alpha1-2 | based in browser right? |
| 04:10.23 | blast007 | alpha1-2: what? |
| 04:10.35 | alpha1-2 | sorry I am missed :P |
| 04:10.38 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 04:10.44 | alpha1-2 | too much words! |
| 04:10.47 | alpha1-2 | for me! |
| 04:10.56 | alpha1-2 | *rouged face* |
| 04:11.19 | DTRemenak | heh, went to check the ducati league's activity levels...more than half the matches involve [vbz] on one side or the other :) |
| 04:11.38 | DTRemenak | 27 matches in 30 days though, which isn't bad |
| 04:12.50 | alpha1-2 | **coloured face** |
| 04:12.55 | DTRemenak | about 1/6 of what gu does |
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| 04:37.53 | alpha1-2 | blast007: should I put these libraries in windows/system32/ and ANSIfilter would run? libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll, mingwm10.dll |
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| 04:58.26 | alpha1-2 | yeah it works!! thanks blast and JeffM!! |
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| 07:52.48 | alpha1-2 | any windows user awake' :) |
| 07:52.52 | alpha1-2 | ? |
| 07:58.02 | alpha1-2 | 58 guys and noone awake? :D |
| 08:00.33 | alpha1-2 | ok, I understand: 58 online, 55 linux users, only 2 windows user, that are sleeping... and 1 freeBSD :) |
| 08:01.24 | alpha1-2 | oh I forgot mac users, well, just 2 ;) |
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| 08:53.22 | alpha1-2 | Constitution: are you Windows user? |
| 08:54.00 | alezakos | alpha1-2: Just state your question |
| 08:54.23 | alpha1-2 | could you do these please? |
| 08:54.25 | alpha1-2 | - make 2 txt files (a.txt and b.txt) containing "aaaa", the first, and "bbbb", the second. |
| 08:54.26 | alpha1-2 | - run in cmd.exe (console): copy a.txt+b.txt c.txt |
| 08:54.28 | alpha1-2 | - run: type c.txt |
| 08:55.44 | alpha1-2 | (I have wine, not Windows, and the "copy" implementation in wine is limited, I can't do this command) |
| 08:56.53 | alezakos | It gives me aaaabbbb |
| 08:57.24 | alpha1-2 | perfect, thanks! |
| 08:58.05 | alpha1-2 | are you familiarized with scape codes? |
| 08:58.24 | alezakos | n |
| 08:58.26 | alezakos | Nope* |
| 08:58.26 | alpha1-2 | like \n, \t etc |
| 08:58.37 | alezakos | Ah, I probably am - a bit |
| 08:59.01 | alpha1-2 | can the cmd.exe hanlde the '? |
| 08:59.07 | alezakos | BTW, opening c.txt on Notepad++ gives a "Substitute character" as the last character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitute_character) |
| 08:59.08 | alpha1-2 | handle* |
| 09:00.00 | alezakos | Which '? |
| 09:00.05 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 09:00.58 | alpha1-2 | *escape codes* |
| 09:01.26 | alpha1-2 | for example do echo 'hola' |
| 09:02.12 | alezakos | It outputs the quotes as well |
| 09:02.39 | alezakos | >echo 'test' |
| 09:02.39 | alezakos | 'test' |
| 09:03.07 | alpha1-2 | ok, thanks |
| 09:03.28 | alezakos | np |
| 09:03.57 | alpha1-2 | have you used sed in windows? |
| 09:04.22 | alezakos | No, I haven't |
| 09:04.29 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 09:04.44 | alezakos | There isn't any "sed.exe" on windows by default |
| 09:04.49 | alpha1-2 | I am fighting with it :) |
| 09:05.01 | alpha1-2 | yes, I noticed it, and I installed one |
| 09:05.24 | alpha1-2 | but it gives me escape codes errors or similars... |
| 09:05.46 | alpha1-2 | (I am using wine, I don't have windows) |
| 09:06.10 | alpha1-2 | but, np, I have to continue fighting ;) |
| 09:07.25 | alezakos | Good luck then :) |
| 09:07.43 | alpha1-2 | I give an example, if anyone knows: |
| 09:08.34 | alpha1-2 | I do sed 's\/$E[30m\/$E[38;5;248m\/g' temp4.txt > temp5.txt |
| 09:08.44 | alpha1-2 | and it gives me sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `'' |
| 09:09.12 | alpha1-2 | it seems the ', but im not sure |
| 09:09.32 | alezakos | Have you tried doing it with double quotes instead of single ones? ( ' -> ") |
| 09:09.40 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 09:09.44 | alpha1-2 | :) |
| 09:09.54 | alpha1-2 | maybe with ^' |
| 09:10.17 | alpha1-2 | no |
| 09:11.44 | alpha1-2 | well, but with " it seems better |
| 09:11.56 | alezakos | Does this work? |
| 09:11.56 | alezakos | sed "s/$E\[30m/$E\[38;5;248m/g" temp4.txt > temp5.txt |
| 09:12.04 | alpha1-2 | it gives me sed: -e expression #1, char 26: unterminated `s' command |
| 09:12.13 | alpha1-2 | it goes to character 26 |
| 09:12.31 | alpha1-2 | did it work for you? |
| 09:12.39 | alpha1-2 | oh you dont have sed installed |
| 09:12.42 | alezakos | I haven't tested it on Windows yet |
| 09:12.51 | alezakos | I have a couple of sed.exe files lying around |
| 09:12.58 | alpha1-2 | really? |
| 09:13.13 | alpha1-2 | have you tried this *useful* command in windows already? |
| 09:13.36 | alezakos | I haven't tried it, but a quick search proved that a windows git client installed them |
| 09:13.58 | alpha1-2 | oh nice |
| 09:14.08 | alpha1-2 | try to type just sed |
| 09:14.27 | alpha1-2 | or help sed or sed --help |
| 09:14.28 | alezakos | I don't have it in my $PATH, I need to cd to the directory where it's located |
| 09:14.49 | alpha1-2 | but if any program already installed it? |
| 09:15.11 | alpha1-2 | did u try it? |
| 09:15.19 | alezakos | No, it hasn't, I tried running sed on a random directory and it failed to run |
| 09:15.45 | alezakos | Running the command I gave you outputs "sed: can't read temp4.txt: No such file or directory" |
| 09:15.53 | alpha1-2 | ok, I had to copy to windows folder, but I will surely to edit the PATH variable |
| 09:16.05 | alpha1-2 | *copy it* |
| 09:16.31 | alezakos | Or you can just provide the absolute path |
| 09:16.36 | alpha1-2 | ok, it seems installed |
| 09:16.40 | alezakos | C:\programs\sed --help |
| 09:16.44 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 09:17.42 | alpha1-2 | ok, I need now some time, maybe I will need your help again |
| 09:17.54 | alpha1-2 | in some minutes |
| 09:18.02 | alezakos | ok |
| 09:18.06 | alpha1-2 | thanks |
| 09:35.16 | alpha1-2 | grrr.... have you used $E escape code anytime? :) |
| 09:35.24 | alezakos | Nope... |
| 09:35.47 | alpha1-2 | I don't unedrsand how to change the consle color in windows still :( |
| 09:36.30 | alpha1-2 | it shold be something like this: echo $E[0;1m for bold |
| 09:36.45 | alpha1-2 | could you try it? |
| 09:37.42 | alpha1-2 | it should give you bold characters after |
| 09:37.42 | alezakos | >echo $E[0;1m test |
| 09:37.42 | alezakos | $E[0;1m test |
| 09:37.48 | alezakos | It doesn't |
| 09:38.22 | alpha1-2 | ok, np, I will continue.... :( |
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| 09:46.26 | apeman1 | I assumed that a PlayerJoinEvent always happens before a corresponding PlayerPartEvent, but apparently I have come across a case where PlayerPartEvent can happen without a prior Join. |
| 09:55.51 | alezakos | alpha1-2: The windows terminal doesn't seem to natively support colours, you can try using something like powershell or this: https://github.com/adoxa/ansicon |
| 09:58.39 | alpha1-2 | give me a favour please: enter BZ, use /savemsgs command (or use a previous saved log) and them run "type msglog.txt" and tell me if you can see the colors |
| 09:58.51 | alpha1-2 | then* |
| 09:59.10 | alpha1-2 | type command in DOS (cmd.exe) |
| 09:59.37 | alezakos | No, it doesn't show them |
| 10:00.01 | alpha1-2 | but it show the messages without colors or weird words? |
| 10:00.15 | alezakos | <[33m<[5m[SERVER->]<[0;1m <[36mYou are in observer mode.<[0;1m |
| 10:00.24 | alpha1-2 | ok :( |
| 10:00.29 | alezakos | Using this, however, shows the colours properly: http://adoxa.hostmyway.net/ansicon/ |
| 10:01.04 | alpha1-2 | I did here in wine consle and it showed it, but it is wine... and I read about its compatibility too.... |
| 10:01.14 | alpha1-2 | weird |
| 10:01.26 | alpha1-2 | ok, thx for the link |
| 10:01.46 | alpha1-2 | what windows do you have? |
| 10:01.49 | alezakos | 7 |
| 10:01.52 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 10:02.48 | alpha1-2 | ok, i think that no problem because I only need to change the color codes in txt and then ANSIFilter deal and convert them |
| 10:03.05 | alpha1-2 | deals and converts* |
| 10:03.48 | alpha1-2 | I laready tested the prgram in wine and it works, both console and GUI ones |
| 10:04.12 | alpha1-2 | excuse my typos, its my slow kb :) |
| 10:04.26 | alpha1-2 | flat USB KB grrrr |
| 10:04.52 | alpha1-2 | maybe I get it already..... |
| 10:04.55 | alezakos | Do you have a copy which I can test? |
| 10:05.12 | alpha1-2 | of what? |
| 10:05.18 | alezakos | Your program |
| 10:05.48 | alpha1-2 | ANSIFilter is posted from the start |
| 10:05.53 | alpha1-2 | but |
| 10:05.59 | alpha1-2 | in windows |
| 10:06.05 | alpha1-2 | it needs 2 libraries |
| 10:06.12 | alpha1-2 | let m see.... |
| 10:07.24 | alpha1-2 | I will post this in "windows users" section when I am ready, but you can test it anyways :) |
| 10:07.32 | alpha1-2 | You just need to download and extract these 2 libraries and copy them into "C:/Windows/System" folder (or the right letter where Windows is installed, instead of "C"): |
| 10:07.34 | alpha1-2 | mingw-runtime dll (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/MinGW/Base/mingw-rt/mingwrt-3.20/mingwrt-3.20-2-mingw32-dll.tar.lzma/download) |
| 10:07.35 | alpha1-2 | gcc-core dll (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/MinGW/Base/gcc/Version4/gcc-4.7.2-1/libgcc-4.7.2-1-mingw32-dll-1.tar.lzma/) |
| 10:09.12 | alpha1-2 | and after you can run ansifilter or ansifilter-gui programs |
| 10:09.42 | alpha1-2 | as I explain in the post/script |
| 10:11.19 | alpha1-2 | the MSDOS command would be: ansifilter.exe -d msglog --html msglog.txt > msglog.html |
| 10:11.54 | alpha1-2 | but I am fighting with some changes that are necessary to do in the msglog.txt file previously |
| 10:12.27 | alpha1-2 | so you will see surely some black colors instead of white, and some unbolded ones too |
| 10:12.43 | alpha1-2 | but not major problems anyways |
| 10:16.28 | alezakos | BTW, there is a command for setting the number of messages that can be stored |
| 10:17.01 | alpha1-2 | which one? |
| 10:17.09 | alezakos | Let me see |
| 10:17.34 | alezakos | /localset scrollPages |
| 10:17.47 | alezakos | Defaults to 20 IIRC |
| 10:18.02 | alpha1-2 | wow, it would be nice then |
| 10:18.48 | alpha1-2 | the log are giving me until a little more than 8 A4 PDF pages now |
| 10:18.53 | alpha1-2 | logs* |
| 10:19.18 | alpha1-2 | but it would be nice if you can't lose any important messages |
| 10:20.48 | alpha1-2 | we were talking with blast th other day about it |
| 10:21.01 | alpha1-2 | blast: "look at maxLines and maxScrollPages in src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx, and look at the addMessage method there" |
| 10:21.52 | alpha1-2 | it depends of the configugured size of the windows and fonts too it seems |
| 10:21.59 | alpha1-2 | configured* |
| 10:22.30 | alpha1-2 | but the solution will be as you said, increasing it if you need it |
| 10:22.42 | alpha1-2 | :) |
| 10:22.54 | alezakos | Yeah, and no need to make any modifications to the code |
| 10:23.09 | alpha1-2 | what coed? |
| 10:23.14 | alpha1-2 | code* |
| 10:23.16 | alezakos | The BZFlag source code |
| 10:23.32 | alpha1-2 | ahh ok |
| 10:24.25 | alpha1-2 | true, I was wondering about that "strict" limit and I thought that not soulution unless recode it |
| 10:24.52 | alpha1-2 | so I thought in doing several /savemsgs commands if it is necessary |
| 10:25.07 | alpha1-2 | we need to test it :) |
| 10:25.53 | alpha1-2 | BTW, do you think that the client logs are important right? |
| 10:26.16 | alezakos | They are, for many different reasons |
| 10:26.45 | alpha1-2 | but you aren't talking of the *server* ones right? |
| 10:27.06 | alezakos | Both are useful |
| 10:27.13 | alpha1-2 | yes, I think the same |
| 10:27.49 | alpha1-2 | but some "bad intentionated persons" that I don't want to mentioning.... |
| 10:27.54 | alpha1-2 | :) |
| 10:27.56 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 10:28.16 | alpha1-2 | said that client logs aren't very important |
| 10:28.44 | alpha1-2 | (joking a little) |
| 10:28.50 | alezakos | :) |
| 10:29.22 | alpha1-2 | maybe they will read this comment and will opine next |
| 10:29.55 | alpha1-2 | but I have received good comments of my post, one was you! |
| 10:30.13 | alpha1-2 | thanks! |
| 10:30.25 | alezakos | hehe |
| 10:30.53 | alpha1-2 | and I my personal expeience I use (or can use) a lot the logs |
| 10:31.07 | alpha1-2 | client ones |
| 10:31.27 | alpha1-2 | are more useful than taking a lot of screenshoots |
| 10:31.35 | alpha1-2 | shots* |
| 10:31.51 | alpha1-2 | and no lost messages |
| 10:31.58 | alezakos | nods |
| 10:33.54 | alpha1-2 | also I thought in admins/cops tasks, but JeffM said that it can be useful doing server side. I agree, but we don't know (he neither) how th server logs are being used. |
| 10:34.08 | alpha1-2 | nowadays |
| 10:34.28 | alpha1-2 | I have PMed a old player/admin and asked him about this. |
| 10:34.33 | alezakos | Well, usually only the server owner has access to logs, and he can't be constantly around |
| 10:34.40 | alpha1-2 | ahh |
| 10:35.31 | alpha1-2 | I thought something like this, but i wasn't sure |
| 10:35.35 | alpha1-2 | that* |
| 10:39.08 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: you gave me the key! |
| 10:39.25 | alpha1-2 | [07:00] <alezakos> <[33m<[5m[SERVER->]<[0;1m <[36mYou are in observer mode.<[0;1m |
| 10:39.54 | alezakos | Does that work? |
| 10:40.07 | alpha1-2 | the cmd uses "<" symbol, so maybe its the solution for do th changes |
| 10:40.38 | alezakos | What I see is an arrow symbol |
| 10:40.39 | alezakos | <- |
| 10:40.54 | alezakos | (Not exactly <-, but one character which resembles an arrow) |
| 10:41.01 | alpha1-2 | ahh |
| 10:41.12 | alpha1-2 | yes its the ESCAPE code |
| 10:41.24 | alpha1-2 | like an arrow aiming to down? |
| 10:41.39 | alezakos | Left |
| 10:42.13 | alpha1-2 | could you copy/paste here? |
| 10:42.35 | alezakos | I already did |
| 10:42.38 | alpha1-2 | |
| 10:42.44 | alpha1-2 | I have this in linux |
| 10:42.55 | alpha1-2 | what do you see here? |
| 10:43.42 | alezakos | <is the correct one |
| 10:44.13 | alpha1-2 | paste 1 whole line please |
| 10:44.44 | alezakos | <[33m<[5m[SERVER->]<[0;1m <[36m/fm<[0;1m |
| 10:44.58 | alezakos | Unicode info: |
| 10:44.59 | alezakos | < leftwards arrow 020620 8592 0x2190 ← |
| 10:45.13 | alpha1-2 | do you see "<" here? |
| 10:45.55 | alezakos | I see a normal arrow on your message |
| 10:46.04 | alpha1-2 | and in the whole line? |
| 10:46.11 | alezakos | <- |
| 10:46.18 | alpha1-2 | here? |
| 10:46.24 | alezakos | Where? |
| 10:46.35 | alpha1-2 | [07:44] <alezakos> <[33m<[5m[SERVER->]<[0;1m <[36m/fm<[0;1m |
| 10:46.44 | alezakos | Normal < arrows |
| 10:46.48 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 10:47.13 | alpha1-2 | I have to restart my machine because wine isn't working well |
| 10:47.47 | alpha1-2 | I don't know if I will finish now but I will try a little more (I m tired) :P |
| 10:48.12 | alpha1-2 | how was yu testing ANSIFilter? |
| 10:48.16 | alpha1-2 | you* |
| 10:48.24 | alezakos | It pretty much worked |
| 10:48.29 | alezakos | But everything was bold |
| 10:48.30 | alpha1-2 | nice! |
| 10:48.50 | alpha1-2 | yes, everything is bold in BZ console don't worry |
| 10:49.20 | alpha1-2 | what font did you select? have yo used GUI or commandline? |
| 10:49.27 | alezakos | GUI |
| 10:49.39 | alpha1-2 | ok, what font? |
| 10:49.49 | alezakos | The fonts won't change for a reason... |
| 10:49.56 | alezakos | Oh wait |
| 10:50.00 | alezakos | I have to reopen the file |
| 10:50.08 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 10:54.46 | alpha1-2 | all good? |
| 10:54.50 | alezakos | yup |
| 10:54.55 | alpha1-2 | what font? |
| 10:55.01 | alezakos | All fonts work |
| 10:55.05 | alezakos | Arial, for example |
| 10:55.08 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 10:55.58 | alpha1-2 | yo should to use a console style one, like "terminal" I think, I dont remember windows names |
| 10:56.15 | alezakos | Courier new is the default one |
| 10:56.22 | alpha1-2 | yes that |
| 10:56.29 | alpha1-2 | Here it is the first version of my post (I re-wrote it). Then, you can do the changes manually, until I have the windows script. I recommend to use after the command line as I said you before --> its more simple and fast. And, finally yu can do the LibreOffice command line too for obtain the PDF directly from the HTML (its fast too). |
| 10:56.54 | alpha1-2 | http://pastebin.com/ZMZj7qxW |
| 10:57.24 | alpha1-2 | I will restart my machine |
| 10:59.51 | *** join/#bzflag alpha1-2 (~nb_j@host127.190-138-19.telecom.net.ar) |
| 11:03.09 | alpha1-2 | try to do the changes manually, then the other steps and tell me :) |
| 11:04.12 | alpha1-2 | I remember the post |
| 11:04.14 | alpha1-2 | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18559 |
| 11:08.39 | alpha1-2 | my wineconsole is not working, somthing was unconfigured i think |
| 11:12.23 | *** part/#bzflag apeman1 (~Victor@181.237.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) |
| 11:16.11 | alpha1-2 | yes sed working |
| 11:16.22 | alpha1-2 | in wine |
| 11:21.54 | alpha1-2 | are you there? |
| 11:22.01 | alezakos | Yup |
| 11:22.19 | alpha1-2 | as you dont say nothing :P |
| 11:22.49 | alpha1-2 | could you try the test? |
| 11:22.58 | alpha1-2 | (past tense) |
| 11:23.19 | alpha1-2 | if you want, np |
| 11:23.40 | alezakos | Which test? |
| 11:24.15 | alpha1-2 | [Jue 01 Ago 2013] [07:56:28] <alpha1-2> Here it is the first version of my post (I re-wrote it). Then, you can do the changes manually, until I have the windows script. I recommend to use after the command line as I said you before --> its more simple and fast. And, finally yu can do the LibreOffice command line too for obtain the PDF directly from the HTML (its fast too). |
| 11:24.17 | alpha1-2 | [Jue 01 Ago 2013] [07:56:54] <alpha1-2> http://pastebin.com/ZMZj7qxW |
| 11:24.47 | alpha1-2 | [08:03] <alpha1-2> try to do the changes manually, then the other steps and tell me :) |
| 11:25.12 | alezakos | Don't you need an escape character so that the first line works? |
| 11:25.32 | alpha1-2 | i am still working on that |
| 11:25.59 | alpha1-2 | but np, if you want to wait this solution, maybe it will be fast |
| 11:26.29 | alpha1-2 | i am working in < symbol |
| 11:26.34 | alpha1-2 | as u showed me |
| 11:27.04 | alpha1-2 | whats th problem? :) |
| 11:28.16 | alezakos | It's working |
| 11:28.31 | alpha1-2 | did yo do the test? |
| 11:28.34 | alezakos | Although making stuff harder to read, because the background is white |
| 11:28.41 | alpha1-2 | yes yes |
| 11:28.48 | alpha1-2 | are you using HTML |
| 11:28.55 | alpha1-2 | seeing* |
| 11:28.57 | alezakos | Just ANSIFilter |
| 11:29.17 | alpha1-2 | ok, you didn't use the comand line i said it ;) |
| 11:29.22 | alezakos | :P |
| 11:29.50 | alpha1-2 | you can do it through GUI, save it as HTML |
| 11:30.42 | alezakos | This works, but there's still that white background :/ |
| 11:31.00 | alpha1-2 | ok ok dont desperate.... then you have |
| 11:31.10 | alpha1-2 | 2 options |
| 11:31.20 | alpha1-2 | use libreoffice command line |
| 11:31.24 | alpha1-2 | using* |
| 11:31.30 | alezakos | I can just edit the HTML |
| 11:31.49 | alpha1-2 | or #2 copy paste from HTML (browser) to LibreOffice writer |
| 11:32.08 | alpha1-2 | ah yes, |
| 11:32.28 | alpha1-2 | do this change |
| 11:32.30 | alpha1-2 | s/<body>/<body bgcolor="#666666">/ |
| 11:32.42 | alpha1-2 | its grey 60 % in Libreoffice numbers |
| 11:33.16 | alpha1-2 | but i was talking for obtain the PDF |
| 11:33.36 | alpha1-2 | the HTML file is great anyways |
| 11:33.47 | alezakos | A darker colour like #444444 would be better, I think |
| 11:34.01 | alpha1-2 | i tryid that |
| 11:34.05 | alpha1-2 | tried* |
| 11:34.26 | blast007 | alpha1-2: the DLL files can probably go into the same directory as the ansifilter.exe file, so then you're not crapping up the system32 directory |
| 11:34.38 | alpha1-2 | it's fine, you can use black directly, but until yuo need to export as PDF |
| 11:35.12 | alpha1-2 | in PDF if you will do "annotations" the black or darker color than 60 % grey won't work |
| 11:35.14 | alpha1-2 | :P |
| 11:35.53 | alpha1-2 | oh blast007 ok :) |
| 11:36.45 | alpha1-2 | I posted #03 and #04 pngs in the post about annotations looks |
| 11:36.59 | alpha1-2 | or looking* |
| 11:40.32 | alpha1-2 | blast007: but they are just 2 dlls |
| 11:40.53 | blast007 | still, no need for them to go in system32 |
| 11:41.06 | alpha1-2 | what would be the risks? |
| 11:43.23 | alpha1-2 | well, thinkng about... I had someproblems in wine yes... mingw-runtime and gcc-core, in special the first maybe do rewriting to native DLLs right? |
| 11:43.33 | alezakos | You can provide an archive with the program you want users to run without making them install libraries |
| 11:43.51 | blast007 | risks? dunno. I just avoid crapping up the system-wide areas needlessly. ;) |
| 11:44.09 | blast007 | and then you also don't need admin rights |
| 11:44.16 | alpha1-2 | the ANSIfILTER NEEDS THOSE 2 LIBRARIES |
| 11:44.20 | alpha1-2 | sry caps |
| 11:44.32 | blast007 | OKAY |
| 11:44.33 | blast007 | ;) |
| 11:44.50 | alpha1-2 | I SAID SORRY CAAAAAPPPSSSSS! |
| 11:44.51 | blast007 | and yes, I understand that.. |
| 11:44.54 | alpha1-2 | joke joke |
| 11:44.57 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 11:45.20 | blast007 | did I say that it doesn't need those two libraries? no. I didn't. |
| 11:45.28 | alpha1-2 | just trying to waking me up a little |
| 11:45.54 | alpha1-2 | wait |
| 11:45.56 | blast007 | I just said that they can go into the application directory instead of %SYSTEMROOT%\system32\ |
| 11:46.03 | alpha1-2 | we have a "windows" tster right now ;) |
| 11:46.09 | blast007 | where? |
| 11:46.09 | alpha1-2 | tester* |
| 11:46.16 | alpha1-2 | --> alezakos |
| 11:46.33 | alezakos | I've put the libraries inside the application dir |
| 11:46.44 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: did you copy the libraries in that location without problms? |
| 11:46.46 | alezakos | yup |
| 11:46.51 | alpha1-2 | great! |
| 11:46.54 | blast007 | alpha1-2: into "that location" being what? |
| 11:46.57 | alpha1-2 | your system is working? |
| 11:47.18 | alpha1-2 | didn't it explode still? |
| 11:47.26 | alpha1-2 | :) |
| 11:47.34 | blast007 | alpha1-2: what do you mean by "that location"? |
| 11:47.40 | alezakos | alpha1-2: I guess it is. I have a lot of libraries scattered around application folders |
| 11:48.17 | alezakos | Doesn't BZFlag put libcurl.dll on bzflag.exe |
| 11:48.20 | alezakos | 's folder? |
| 11:48.23 | alpha1-2 | oh, " inside the application dir".... delayed message |
| 11:49.18 | alpha1-2 | let me see |
| 11:49.23 | blast007 | okay, cuz yes, that worked just fine for me as well ;) |
| 11:51.56 | alpha1-2 | uh! a lot of dll in bzflag.exe folder! |
| 11:52.12 | alezakos | Most of them are just plugins |
| 11:52.17 | alpha1-2 | and third party libcurl too |
| 11:52.58 | alpha1-2 | oh I see the "HoldTheFlag.dll" like was being used nowadays for ducaty |
| 11:53.05 | alpha1-2 | I think |
| 11:53.15 | alezakos | They must be different plugins |
| 11:53.21 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 11:53.49 | alpha1-2 | ok, how was it ale? |
| 11:54.01 | alezakos | What do you mean? |
| 11:54.06 | alpha1-2 | are you happy? |
| 11:54.13 | alpha1-2 | with the HTMl result? |
| 11:54.18 | alezakos | Yup |
| 11:54.21 | alpha1-2 | :D |
| 11:54.26 | alezakos | But the blinks can become annoying |
| 11:54.33 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 11:54.36 | alpha1-2 | but |
| 11:54.42 | blast007 | wait... does it generate <blink> tags?? |
| 11:54.44 | alpha1-2 | from the universal HTMl file |
| 11:54.59 | alpha1-2 | of course , man! ;) |
| 11:55.02 | blast007 | *throws up* |
| 11:55.02 | alpha1-2 | *coolface* |
| 11:55.23 | alpha1-2 | it's the same behaviour than any normal ANSI console |
| 11:55.34 | alpha1-2 | or similar |
| 11:55.59 | alpha1-2 | what do you think now blast? |
| 11:56.05 | blast007 | about what? |
| 11:56.16 | alpha1-2 | don't make me laught :D |
| 11:56.47 | alpha1-2 | what did you mean with <blink< tags? |
| 11:57.05 | alpha1-2 | they doesn't exist in HTML |
| 11:57.59 | alpha1-2 | oh yeah |
| 11:58.07 | alpha1-2 | I thought other name :P |
| 11:58.40 | alpha1-2 | well, now that you hae your blink tags what do you think of the conversion? |
| 11:59.21 | blast007 | I think I hate it even more than I did |
| 11:59.51 | blast007 | I was just telling someone yesterday to *never* use <blink> tags |
| 11:59.57 | blast007 | http://catb.org/esr/html-hell.html |
| 12:00.05 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: you can from the universal HTML file copy paste to an office editor (like LibreOffice) andexpot it as PDF, and no more blinking texts |
| 12:00.26 | alpha1-2 | or use th command LO line and much more fast |
| 12:00.31 | alezakos | I can also search and eliminate <blink>s and </blink>s |
| 12:00.42 | blast007 | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030427&mode=classic ;D |
| 12:00.42 | alpha1-2 | too :) |
| 12:00.57 | alezakos | But you should consider adding an option or something similar to disable the blinking |
| 12:01.15 | blast007 | adding an option to what? |
| 12:01.23 | alezakos | To his script |
| 12:01.27 | alpha1-2 | but you can't do annotations in HTML easily (or not too easily like PDF) :) |
| 12:01.35 | alpha1-2 | as* |
| 12:01.36 | blast007 | to ansifilter? |
| 12:02.40 | alezakos | If alpha1-2 writes a script which does some sed commands, I guess he could add a sed which disables the blinking |
| 12:02.40 | alpha1-2 | well, blast I wasn't who put the blinking text inside the BZ consle ;) |
| 12:02.57 | alpha1-2 | but inside the game is nice and useful |
| 12:03.03 | blast007 | I disable it in my client :P |
| 12:03.14 | blast007 | prefers underline or nothing |
| 12:05.34 | alpha1-2 | you are becoming old quickly blast ;D |
| 12:06.03 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: yes, it can be done |
| 12:07.00 | alpha1-2 | good joke that blast to (the ca) |
| 12:07.09 | alpha1-2 | too* |
| 12:07.16 | alpha1-2 | cat* |
| 12:07.26 | blast007 | meow? |
| 12:07.45 | alpha1-2 | the sch cat |
| 12:07.50 | blast007 | ah :) |
| 12:08.00 | alpha1-2 | is *****NOT***** dead |
| 12:08.37 | alpha1-2 | for the poor worring girls :) |
| 12:13.21 | alpha1-2 | blast007 or any other Windows user: are you familiarized with ESCAPE codes? |
| 12:14.54 | alpha1-2 | my wineconsole doesn't work and I am tring from linxu using the nomal wine comand, but i think that I only can use this way LINUX ESCAPE CODES, NOT WINDOWS ONES |
| 12:15.22 | alpha1-2 | < symbol didn't work this way |
| 12:15.43 | alpha1-2 | I have information about $E symbol |
| 12:15.58 | alpha1-2 | but I can't try anymore now |
| 12:16.21 | alpha1-2 | because my wineconsole is broken |
| 12:16.40 | alpha1-2 | I ll try to take out the 2 libraires |
| 12:19.18 | alpha1-2 | well I will delete and re-run wine command, it isn't to hard |
| 12:19.27 | alpha1-2 | delete .wine flder |
| 12:19.35 | alpha1-2 | too* |
| 12:23.06 | alpha1-2 | I don't know why i have this environment installed. Does it have relation with Windows BZ development version maybe? Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 x86 Redistributable |
| 12:28.14 | alpha1-2 | Is that the, let's say, the free version of it? |
| 12:32.09 | alpha1-2 | anyone have wine running? |
| 12:32.15 | alpha1-2 | has* |
| 12:56.53 | *** join/#bzflag brad (~brad@84.93.64.18) |
| 12:56.53 | *** join/#bzflag brad (~brad@unaffiliated/brad) |
| 13:01.58 | alpha1-2 | :P I was missed, now I have the console working again |
| 13:03.39 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (~frank@gondolin.pimpi.org) |
| 13:12.37 | *** join/#bzflag SpazzyMcGee (~SpazzyMcG@149.241.106.176) |
| 13:16.39 | alpha1-2 | Advertisment: ***Mac/other systems help is welcome too*** If someone wants to do an script for that system. |
| 13:21.06 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: what do you think of PDF files? are they useful? :) |
| 13:21.19 | alpha1-2 | in general |
| 13:21.49 | alpha1-2 | not related to this script |
| 13:26.22 | alpha1-2 | any windows user? |
| 13:27.34 | alpha1-2 | anyone could do this in console? ECHO $D |
| 13:27.49 | alpha1-2 | or just $D |
| 13:28.18 | alezakos | >ECHO $D |
| 13:28.19 | alezakos | $D |
| 13:28.19 | alezakos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.19 | alezakos | >$D |
| 13:28.19 | alezakos | '$D' äåí áíáãíùñßæåôáé ùò åóùôåñéêÞ Þ åîùôåñéêÞ åíôïëÞ, åêôåëÝóéìï ðñüãñáììá Þ áñ÷åßï äÝóìçò åíåñãåéþí. |
| 13:28.38 | alpha1-2 | whats that? |
| 13:28.51 | alezakos | There is no $D command |
| 13:29.16 | alpha1-2 | but what are those weird symbols? |
| 13:29.27 | alezakos | Just ignore them :) |
| 13:29.38 | alpha1-2 | a joke? |
| 13:30.03 | alpha1-2 | and echo $D? |
| 13:30.17 | alpha1-2 | i am not for joks he h he |
| 13:30.25 | alezakos | http://bit.ly/18TXP8y |
| 13:30.59 | alpha1-2 | oh ok, well thanks for maintein me awake :) |
| 13:31.09 | alpha1-2 | maintainming* |
| 13:31.27 | alpha1-2 | maintaining me* |
| 13:31.44 | alpha1-2 | and echo $D? |
| 13:31.56 | alezakos | Just $D |
| 13:32.18 | alpha1-2 | ok see pls if yuo can try this page: |
| 13:32.24 | alpha1-2 | yuo have windows native, I am not |
| 13:32.45 | alpha1-2 | http://www.robvanderwoude.com/prompt.php |
| 13:32.56 | alpha1-2 | this is one of the best I found related |
| 13:35.33 | alezakos | >PROMPT $E[0;1;33m$D$_ $T$H$H$H$H$H$H$E[31m [$P]$E[0m |
| 13:35.33 | alezakos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.33 | alezakos | <[0;1;33mThu 01/08/2013 |
| 13:35.33 | alezakos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.12 | alpha1-2 | did it work with colors? |
| 13:37.16 | alezakos | Nope |
| 13:37.36 | Cobra_Fast | I didnt know the DOS terminal knew about ansi codes |
| 13:37.54 | alpha1-2 | ok, I had some clor responses this time |
| 13:38.04 | alpha1-2 | I did the complete command like you |
| 13:39.04 | alpha1-2 | Cobra_Fast: "the DOS terminal knew"? |
| 13:39.23 | alpha1-2 | oh I got it :P |
| 13:39.40 | alpha1-2 | I think that is old yes |
| 13:39.58 | alpha1-2 | here it explain more |
| 13:40.00 | alpha1-2 | http://www.robvanderwoude.com/ansi.php |
| 13:40.11 | alpha1-2 | it is in a link of the previous link |
| 13:40.59 | alezakos | "The only requirement to use ANSI sequences is the line: |
| 13:40.59 | alezakos | DEVICE=ANSI.SYS |
| 13:40.59 | alezakos | in your CONFIG.SYS, at least for DOS systems. |
| 13:40.59 | alezakos | Or use some other ANSI "interpreter", like ANSI.COM, by Michael J. Mefford." |
| 13:41.13 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: maybe yuo have to add this to your config.sys file |
| 13:41.17 | alpha1-2 | DEVICE=ANSI.SYS |
| 13:41.26 | alpha1-2 | and you will see the colors |
| 13:41.50 | alpha1-2 | oh the same :P |
| 13:42.01 | alezakos | Do you want users to do this to their config.sys files? |
| 13:42.18 | alpha1-2 | it isn't necessary |
| 13:42.56 | alezakos | I've got ansicon, I can see colours whenever I want to |
| 13:42.58 | alpha1-2 | but for check now maybe yes. I had som colors result now. Maybe it was because I added that . |
| 13:44.29 | alpha1-2 | yeah yeah I got the date too ($D) :D |
| 13:44.48 | alpha1-2 | I think that I have it! |
| 13:45.34 | blast007 | Step 1) Install Windows 98. Step 2) Add DEVICE=ANSI.SYS to c:\config.sys ? :P |
| 13:47.33 | alpha1-2 | step 3) use the script step 4) uninstall windows 98 :D |
| 13:48.55 | alpha1-2 | is thinking about how much money blast will pay him if he finish this script |
| 13:49.06 | alpha1-2 | finishes* |
| 13:49.14 | alpha1-2 | :D |
| 13:49.21 | blast007 | why would I pay you anything? |
| 13:49.29 | blast007 | it's not something I want ;) |
| 13:49.38 | alpha1-2 | aren't you the first interested in this useful script :D |
| 13:50.02 | alpha1-2 | DON'T ANWER! |
| 13:50.14 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 13:50.26 | blast007 | no, I'm not ;) |
| 13:50.28 | alpha1-2 | I think that is useful :) |
| 13:50.45 | blast007 | meh |
| 13:50.51 | alpha1-2 | and others, that is the important thing :) |
| 13:52.16 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: see help PROMPT |
| 13:54.33 | alpha1-2 | yeah yeah |
| 13:54.43 | alpha1-2 | it is walking |
| 13:57.20 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: do you have a config.sys file in your C:\ folder? |
| 13:57.38 | alezakos | I don't have a config.sys anywhere in my system |
| 13:58.41 | alpha1-2 | ok , just try it, create a txt file and save it as config.sys there. and write in DEVICE=ANSI.SYS |
| 13:59.18 | alpha1-2 | after try the whole PROMPT command again. but in cmd.exe not in ansicon |
| 13:59.34 | alpha1-2 | and see if there are colors and the dae |
| 13:59.38 | alezakos | It won't print colours |
| 13:59.38 | alpha1-2 | date* |
| 13:59.54 | alpha1-2 | di u try it? |
| 14:00.08 | alezakos | yes |
| 14:00.12 | alpha1-2 | it isn't dangerous, but don't restart the computer |
| 14:00.38 | alpha1-2 | close the cmd.exe and restart it |
| 14:00.47 | alezakos | ... |
| 14:00.49 | alezakos | It won't work! |
| 14:01.13 | alpha1-2 | why are you too sure? |
| 14:01.59 | alezakos | "The only requirement to use ANSI sequences is the line: DEVICE=ANSI.SYS in your CONFIG.SYS, at least for DOS systems." |
| 14:02.13 | alpha1-2 | yes and? |
| 14:02.43 | alezakos | I need to make modifications to use ANSI sequences |
| 14:03.06 | alpha1-2 | that is what I am asking to you |
| 14:03.19 | alpha1-2 | [11:00] <alpha1-2> it isn't dangerous, but don't restart the computer |
| 14:03.33 | alezakos | What do you want me to do? |
| 14:04.14 | alpha1-2 | [10:58] <alpha1-2> ok , just try it, create a txt file and save it as config.sys there. and write in DEVICE=ANSI.SYS |
| 14:04.15 | alpha1-2 | [10:59] <alpha1-2> after try the whole PROMPT command again. but in cmd.exe not in ansicon |
| 14:04.16 | alpha1-2 | [10:59] <alpha1-2> and see if there are colors and the date |
| 14:05.41 | alezakos | Doesn't work |
| 14:06.19 | alpha1-2 | the date appeared? |
| 14:06.29 | alezakos | yes |
| 14:06.56 | alpha1-2 | ok, thanks (maybe th problm is that is based in NT I think and there is other page fo that) |
| 14:07.13 | alpha1-2 | http://www.nthelp.com/40/ansiNT.htm |
| 14:07.33 | alpha1-2 | but not necessary to do it |
| 14:16.57 | alpha1-2 | blast007: list of continuos commands in cmd.exe? ; doesn't work |
| 14:19.11 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: just trying other way, not modifying nothin don't worry: |
| 14:19.13 | alpha1-2 | http://www.robvanderwoude.com/ntcolor.php |
| 14:19.45 | alezakos | That sets the colours of the entire console, not specific lines or characters |
| 14:20.27 | alpha1-2 | yes, but similar, just try it, I want to see if cmd.exe is handling colors or not |
| 14:20.55 | alezakos | These are the only colours it can handle |
| 14:21.04 | alpha1-2 | nice |
| 14:21.22 | blast007 | alpha1-2: yuo mean stuff like this doesn't work in Windows? echo one ; echo two ; echo three |
| 14:21.29 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 14:21.44 | blast007 | you can do echo one && echo two && echo three |
| 14:22.06 | blast007 | that's recommended anyway, because it will stop the chain if an error occures (a non-zero error code) |
| 14:22.15 | alpha1-2 | nice |
| 14:22.33 | blast007 | (meaning, you should be doing that on Linux/OSX as well) |
| 14:22.40 | alpha1-2 | ok :) |
| 14:23.19 | alpha1-2 | nbut not always necessary |
| 14:23.32 | alpha1-2 | i saw 2 cases in classes |
| 14:29.55 | blast007 | not if you don't care if some parts fail |
| 14:30.08 | blast007 | program1 ; program2 ; program3 |
| 14:30.33 | blast007 | program2 and program3 will run even if program1 fails |
| 14:30.41 | blast007 | program1 && program2 && program3 |
| 14:30.53 | blast007 | if program1 fails, it never moves on to program2 (nor program3) |
| 14:34.36 | alpha1-2 | ys that was I meant; because in som cases you can want that all the comands are executed |
| 14:34.51 | alpha1-2 | in independent way |
| 14:35.07 | blast007 | yeah, so I gave examples of both |
| 14:35.15 | alpha1-2 | :9 |
| 14:35.18 | alpha1-2 | .)* |
| 14:37.05 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: if you want, until I have the script done, you can go playing with this: |
| 14:37.07 | alpha1-2 | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/sed.htm |
| 14:37.20 | alpha1-2 | it will be necessary |
| 14:37.35 | alpha1-2 | to b installed fr the script |
| 14:41.34 | alpha1-2 | and you didn't answer me about PDFS files |
| 14:41.38 | alpha1-2 | still |
| 14:43.13 | alpha1-2 | blast007: I had a doubt before... is this version the free version from microsoft that you use? Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 x86 Redistributable |
| 14:44.41 | blast007 | that's not a compiler.. that's just the runtime DLLs and libraries |
| 14:44.56 | blast007 | I use the full version of Visual Studio |
| 14:45.10 | alpha1-2 | the free version? |
| 14:45.22 | blast007 | no |
| 14:45.26 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 14:45.41 | blast007 | well, free for me.. got it through Dreamspark |
| 14:45.46 | alpha1-2 | it was weird for me hat it said "redistributable" |
| 14:45.50 | alpha1-2 | that* |
| 14:46.03 | blast007 | yeah, that's something we include with the windows installer |
| 14:46.14 | blast007 | it's needed to run software that was compiled with Visual C++ 2010 |
| 14:47.00 | blast007 | similar to the two MinGW DLLs we needed to download to run ansifilter |
| 14:47.52 | alpha1-2 | ahh ok, becasue when I uninstall all wine soft it appeared.... so related to my windows BZ version |
| 14:48.00 | alpha1-2 | unistalled* |
| 14:48.15 | alpha1-2 | uninstalled* |
| 14:48.52 | alpha1-2 | can you use it (Dreamspark) for work too or only for study? |
| 14:49.13 | alpha1-2 | or not commercial use |
| 14:49.57 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: ping |
| 14:50.01 | alezakos | pong |
| 14:50.29 | alpha1-2 | excuse me, are you busy in other thing, I don't want to be annoying |
| 14:50.37 | alpha1-2 | ? |
| 14:50.43 | alezakos | Well, yes, I'm pretty busy |
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| 14:50.51 | blast007 | dunno, there may be some limitations with dreamspark |
| 14:51.03 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 14:51.14 | blast007 | I'm not making any money off the work I do with it though :) |
| 14:51.22 | alpha1-2 | ok :) |
| 14:52.29 | alpha1-2 | I knew the same version (or similar) too at University, a Microsoft team presented it years ago, but it was a limited version I think, I don't remember the Dreamspark name |
| 14:53.13 | alpha1-2 | mayeb it was before 2008 |
| 14:53.28 | alpha1-2 | when Bil Gaes announced it |
| 14:53.33 | alpha1-2 | Bill Gates* |
| 14:55.47 | blast007 | maybe you're thinking of Visual C++ Express? |
| 14:55.55 | alpha1-2 | yeah |
| 14:56.21 | blast007 | and previously, the Dreamspark program was called MSDNAA (Microsoft Software Developer Network - Academic Alliance) |
| 14:56.32 | alpha1-2 | is that what JeffM use maybe, I remember when we had a conversation here about it |
| 14:56.37 | alpha1-2 | ? |
| 14:56.50 | blast007 | no, he uses the full Visual Studio |
| 14:57.09 | blast007 | it is possible to build BZFlag with the express edition though |
| 14:57.31 | alpha1-2 | I remember too when MS allowed to students to install Windows and Office too |
| 14:58.33 | blast007 | https://www.dreamspark.com/institution/subscription.aspx |
| 14:58.36 | alpha1-2 | but I remember too the Richard Stallman words "today free... tomorow pay!" :) |
| 14:59.08 | blast007 | the standard one gives Windows Server, the premium one also gives the client version of Windows |
| 14:59.57 | alpha1-2 | oh i see |
| 15:00.12 | alpha1-2 | I remember the Academic Alliance name too |
| 15:00.22 | blast007 | I think the premium one is restricted to higher education |
| 15:00.23 | alpha1-2 | we had many books from MS |
| 15:00.37 | alpha1-2 | in one laboratory |
| 15:00.50 | alpha1-2 | a* |
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| 15:15.23 | alpha1-2 | well, apparently the ESC symbol is ^[ |
| 15:17.56 | alpha1-2 | no it isn't :P |
| 15:28.03 | alpha1-2 | how can it be that installing a program it doesn't have enabled his path? (I need to copy it and its DLLs to the windows folder) |
| 15:28.33 | alpha1-2 | it was installed in /program Files/folder |
| 15:28.55 | alpha1-2 | *Program Files (x86)* |
| 15:37.09 | blast007 | alpha1-2: what? |
| 15:37.29 | alpha1-2 | I installed this |
| 15:37.44 | alpha1-2 | wait me |
| 15:38.03 | alpha1-2 | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/sed.htm |
| 15:39.35 | alpha1-2 | and it has an setup.exe that install all (supossed) and its exe and DLL in c:\Program Files (x86)\GnuWin32\bin\ |
| 15:40.14 | alpha1-2 | supposedly* |
| 15:40.36 | alpha1-2 | but I can't run it (the console wine doesn't detect it) |
| 15:40.49 | alpha1-2 | then I need to copy them to windows folder |
| 15:40.51 | alpha1-2 | and yes |
| 15:41.04 | alpha1-2 | no PATH invlved I think |
| 15:41.08 | alpha1-2 | involved* |
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| 16:19.50 | blast007 | alpha1-2: you may have to manually update the PATH environment variable |
| 16:20.03 | blast007 | Wine probably has a configuration option for that |
| 16:20.13 | blast007 | in Windows, you do that in the System control panel |
| 16:20.26 | alpha1-2 | i was readinfg about in here but not results... |
| 16:21.20 | alpha1-2 | http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/environment-variables |
| 16:22.19 | alpha1-2 | i have only set in that KEY the Temp and Tmp values, not more |
| 16:23.49 | alpha1-2 | and wine works with all commands/DLL in windows, system and system32 (and syswow64 too I think) folders |
| 16:25.59 | alpha1-2 | however |
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| 16:28.45 | alpha1-2 | yeah sed working ESC code!! |
| 16:28.50 | alpha1-2 | finally |
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| 16:31.46 | alpha1-2 | JeffM or anymore: are you familiarized with wine ? |
| 16:32.04 | alpha1-2 | or brad |
| 16:33.11 | blast007 | nope, I don't drink |
| 16:33.17 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 16:35.40 | alpha1-2 | brad, blast007 or other server owners: are the admins/cops in your servers (or in general) allowed to see the server logs (not the client ones)? |
| 16:36.00 | blast007 | only I can see my server logs |
| 16:36.35 | alpha1-2 | oh brad is set as "Global ausence" |
| 16:37.41 | alpha1-2 | alezako-s thought similar (I think he is owner too) |
| 16:38.57 | JeffM | what about it? |
| 16:40.26 | alpha1-2 | just for seeing the usability of the script/utilities for admin/cops (not necessarilly the owner) |
| 16:40.44 | JeffM | what is admin/cops? |
| 16:41.02 | alpha1-2 | all who has @ symbol in his name |
| 16:41.09 | alpha1-2 | have* |
| 16:41.13 | JeffM | what do they have to do with wine? |
| 16:41.40 | alpha1-2 | I am just asking several questions at once :) |
| 16:41.58 | blast007 | the server doesn't log anything like the client |
| 16:41.59 | alpha1-2 | but related to the same problem |
| 16:41.59 | JeffM | because that dosn't make it more confusing |
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| 16:42.20 | JeffM | if you want to test your stuff on widnows, test your stuff on windows |
| 16:42.33 | alpha1-2 | I don't have windows |
| 16:42.38 | JeffM | then go get it |
| 16:42.40 | JeffM | or don't test it |
| 16:42.45 | JeffM | simple answers |
| 16:42.48 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: was testing it |
| 16:42.55 | JeffM | then there ya go |
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| 16:43.25 | alpha1-2 | and as no one more (before him) I decided to did it in wine... and it works mostly :) |
| 16:43.30 | DTRemenak | wineconsole has a large number of behavioural differences with real windows cmd. I would not consider a test on wineconsole valid to predict windows behaviour. |
| 16:44.41 | alpha1-2 | well, I think that it is an aproximation, I will write in the post "wine tested" ofc, not "windows tested" |
| 16:45.02 | alpha1-2 | but alezako-s is testing it in windows, blast and JeffM in some way too di it |
| 16:45.03 | JeffM | none of you users who have wine will use wine |
| 16:45.04 | blast007 | or "didn't test it on windows - have fun" |
| 16:45.10 | alpha1-2 | did it* |
| 16:45.17 | JeffM | yeah telling them you tested in wine is somewhat pointles |
| 16:45.26 | JeffM | and honestly, wait for soemone to try it |
| 16:46.56 | alpha1-2 | I will finish the windows script today i think and I will post it... I think that it is almost finished (for real windows version) just it will need some tests/confirmation. I just wanted to advence in the development of the 3 systems. |
| 16:47.10 | JeffM | you mean batch file not script right? |
| 16:47.13 | alpha1-2 | advance* |
| 16:47.22 | alpha1-2 | yes batch |
| 16:47.41 | alpha1-2 | I am still needing Mac/other version tests |
| 16:47.53 | alpha1-2 | that is the 3rd group system version |
| 16:47.58 | JeffM | how many people have actualy used this? |
| 16:48.14 | alpha1-2 | I hae recieved several good opinions already, why? |
| 16:48.20 | JeffM | I am curious |
| 16:48.28 | JeffM | so 2,3,4 people? |
| 16:48.30 | blast007 | have they used it, or did they just think it was neat? |
| 16:48.59 | alpha1-2 | well, it was just 1 week from the first publication |
| 16:49.21 | alpha1-2 | I want to advance anyways |
| 16:49.24 | JeffM | I'd just chill and let people use what you have |
| 16:49.31 | JeffM | and see if it's not too complex |
| 16:49.32 | alpha1-2 | whats the problem? |
| 16:50.59 | JeffM | you just seem to be rushing forward with something you do not understand |
| 16:51.22 | DTRemenak | that's how you learn. nothing wrong there :) |
| 16:51.46 | alpha1-2 | I have received around 5 good comments, mostly of admins/owners, and 2 from you two saying me some improvements/other way for doing the task :) |
| 16:52.17 | JeffM | have you thought about just making the client output html? |
| 16:52.24 | alpha1-2 | I have used it several tims already (Linux version) and it was very useful too :) |
| 16:52.27 | JeffM | instead of using a bundle of third party apps? |
| 16:53.39 | alpha1-2 | I use just a little ANSIFilter at the first step (I prefer HTMOL always) |
| 16:53.46 | alpha1-2 | and it is GPL |
| 16:54.20 | JeffM | if I were you I'd get the DLLs the user needs for windows and make a package for them |
| 16:54.29 | alpha1-2 | and I did it at start for linux version, I didnt think about other, but after I received a Mac ask and ofc the windws version too |
| 16:54.58 | alpha1-2 | yes I saw that only 2 libs are needed |
| 16:55.08 | alpha1-2 | as you and blast said me |
| 16:55.34 | alpha1-2 | and ANSI code are something hard to handle let's agree |
| 16:55.50 | DTRemenak | what? |
| 16:56.15 | alpha1-2 | in the other hand, coding for the client would be more hard for me fo now (I need a quicly solution for the 3 systems) |
| 16:56.34 | alpha1-2 | but I dont discard it |
| 16:56.38 | DTRemenak | the limited cases used by bzflag are certainly not hard to handle. I did it all in one or two days. |
| 16:56.49 | blast007 | alpha1-2: actually, adding HTML output wouldn't be that difficulty |
| 16:57.07 | alpha1-2 | to the option of doing code for the server logs, but this would be the most hard of all :) |
| 16:57.10 | alpha1-2 | too* |
| 16:57.42 | alpha1-2 | DTRemenak: fo windows? |
| 16:57.43 | JeffM | alpha1-2, you would not be doing any platform specific code, |
| 16:58.00 | DTRemenak | alpha1-2: for the bzflag client |
| 16:58.06 | JeffM | at the level you'd be writing the same code would run on all different OSs |
| 16:58.14 | JeffM | you are just changing the strings that are saved |
| 16:58.26 | JeffM | I don't know why you think programing is harder then it is |
| 16:58.27 | alpha1-2 | DTRemenak: was you who made the /savemsgs command? :O |
| 16:58.36 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 16:58.52 | DTRemenak | I wrote the code to handle ansi codes in the scoreboard and console, though |
| 16:58.57 | DTRemenak | savemsgs came later |
| 16:59.37 | alpha1-2 | ok, but nice anyways :) |
| 17:00.30 | alpha1-2 | JeffM: yes, maybe I do that *after*, but I need to end the windows, and maybe the Mac/other, versions first |
| 17:00.33 | DTRemenak | never really saw the point of saving console output |
| 17:01.03 | DTRemenak | if you're having life-changing conversations that you've just gotta save in bzflag, then, well, you're doing it wrong ;) |
| 17:01.12 | JeffM | alpha1-2, then you are going to need direct access to testting on those systems |
| 17:01.20 | JeffM | DTRemenak, how else are they going to blame soemone else for cheating? |
| 17:01.27 | alpha1-2 | ok, guys, as far I saw, there are persons that are interesting and others than no, lets go to be happy all , yes? :) |
| 17:01.34 | alpha1-2 | that* |
| 17:01.45 | JeffM | then build a package for windows |
| 17:01.52 | JeffM | OSX probably works just like linux |
| 17:01.55 | DTRemenak | JeffM: screenshots are better evidence than console output. harder to dispute. |
| 17:02.06 | JeffM | pfffft logic |
| 17:02.12 | blast007 | server logs are better :P |
| 17:02.13 | JeffM | and exactly much harder to fake! |
| 17:02.32 | JeffM | there are way more places for someone to edit in a console log |
| 17:02.35 | DTRemenak | blast007: for sure...no contest there :) |
| 17:02.41 | blast007 | screenshots would actually be fairly trivial to fake |
| 17:03.16 | alpha1-2 | I put this in the post too: |
| 17:03.16 | blast007 | I already have a PHP script that can read the BZFlag font files and write text on image ;) |
| 17:03.18 | alpha1-2 | Attention: don't use it for bad things!, remember that the servers save logs too and you can't lie against them. |
| 17:03.42 | DTRemenak | blast007: does it handle the alpha blends for the transparent console? and can it fill in the spots behind the words you removed? :) |
| 17:03.55 | alpha1-2 | and screenshots can be distortionated not too hard way too ;) |
| 17:04.11 | blast007 | DTRemenak: there's a button in the game to turn off the chat console.. :P |
| 17:04.17 | alpha1-2 | distorted* |
| 17:04.19 | blast007 | and sure, GD can do alpha blended fills |
| 17:04.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 17:04.34 | DTRemenak | sounds like a lot more trouble than just typing some text into a file ;) |
| 17:05.17 | alpha1-2 | and I said before several times that I agree with server logs, but "oh the problem!", nobody of admin/cops have acces to server logs! |
| 17:05.19 | DTRemenak | and I bet *I* could still identify that it wasn't an unaltered bz screenshot. the png compression code has some...quirks ;) |
| 17:05.29 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:05.57 | blast007 | just redo it as a JPEG claiming smaller file sizes for the upload ;) |
| 17:06.38 | alpha1-2 | what is GD? |
| 17:07.02 | DTRemenak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD_Graphics_Library |
| 17:07.47 | alpha1-2 | answer to this: |
| 17:08.06 | alpha1-2 | 1- admins/cops don't hav acces to server logs |
| 17:08.25 | alpha1-2 | 2- savemsgs is the *actual* solution for sae log quickly |
| 17:08.26 | blast007 | it's up to the server owner how they configure stuff |
| 17:08.53 | blast007 | norang (which is no more) had a website for accessing and searching the server logs |
| 17:08.58 | alpha1-2 | 3- the people know that server save logs actually, they wouldnt want to lie against them |
| 17:09.15 | alpha1-2 | Conclusion: cient logs are , for now, the quick slution ;) |
| 17:09.31 | DTRemenak | or server owners that care. /report is there for a reason. |
| 17:09.59 | alpha1-2 | yes Green Manalish said me that, but it seems that it was the only one |
| 17:10.55 | blast007 | on my servers, the /report command sends to my cell phone :) |
| 17:11.01 | DTRemenak | dang, that's hardcore |
| 17:11.25 | blast007 | just a simple report pipe script that fires off an email |
| 17:11.33 | DTRemenak | I thought my "email and delete" cronjob was fancy :) |
| 17:11.41 | alpha1-2 | * Note: if in any time any player *lie* he wil be considered a *liar* and then his logs won't be acceptables --> go to server ones the only solution in this case |
| 17:12.04 | blast007 | alpha1-2: is that how it works? if you lie, you're considered a liar? |
| 17:12.14 | blast007 | one mystery of the world is solved! |
| 17:12.16 | DTRemenak | no, say it ain't so! :) |
| 17:13.18 | alpha1-2 | I don't unedrstand, what do you mean? |
| 17:13.58 | alpha1-2 | apart of your previous reputatio ofc |
| 17:14.12 | DTRemenak | ironic sarcasm. if you lie, you are by definition a liar. |
| 17:14.51 | alpha1-2 | well, ok, but we are apllying it to the client logs from any player :) |
| 17:15.29 | alpha1-2 | were my 3 points (and the note) right? |
| 17:15.43 | DTRemenak | you probably missed rule #1: assume everyone is lying. |
| 17:16.28 | alpha1-2 | well, stop :), start with the 3 points, and let the note (liars) to the final please |
| 17:16.53 | DTRemenak | still don't see what you have against screenshots, but whatever. to each his own. |
| 17:17.31 | alpha1-2 | yeah, np, all can still using screenshots, I will use it still for obtain for example the list of players in that moment |
| 17:18.02 | alpha1-2 | can be people that never use the client logs too |
| 17:18.15 | alpha1-2 | I never used it until I know the command exists |
| 17:18.30 | alpha1-2 | knew+ |
| 17:18.40 | alpha1-2 | existed* |
| 17:18.50 | DTRemenak | you have a knack for stating tautologies :) |
| 17:19.06 | alpha1-2 | but in the other hand there is people that *will* use it |
| 17:19.39 | alpha1-2 | what do you mean? :) |
| 17:19.48 | khonkhortisan | Stating tautologies is something you have a knack for :) |
| 17:19.50 | alpha1-2 | about knack |
| 17:20.03 | DTRemenak | that was in reference to "I never used it until I knew the command existed" |
| 17:20.11 | DTRemenak | of course you didn't use it before you knew it existed ;) |
| 17:20.25 | DTRemenak | the statement is a self-defining truth, with no inherent meaning |
| 17:20.33 | khonkhortisan | 1) An acquired or natural skill at performing a task: "she got the knack of it in the end". 2) A tendency to do something. |
| 17:20.52 | alpha1-2 | ofc! he he, but... I *now* use it (logs) not the screenshots, so I choosed th better option |
| 17:21.31 | DTRemenak | sure, and "I think client logs are a better option" has some meaning. I don't agree with it, but at least it has meaning :) |
| 17:22.05 | alpha1-2 | ok khonkhortisan! I was thinki gthat you were DTRemenak, because in my consle your both colors seems to be the same (green) |
| 17:22.42 | khonkhortisan | heh - that's entirely dependant on which irc client you use |
| 17:22.54 | khonkhortisan | it's random, and it reuses colors |
| 17:23.02 | DTRemenak | everyone is the same color for me :) |
| 17:23.06 | alpha1-2 | yes khon, np :) |
| 17:23.22 | alpha1-2 | DTRemenak: what do you think that I think abou server logs? |
| 17:24.09 | khonkhortisan | alpha is blue, you're green, I'm gray because I'm me, blast is red, jeff is a lighter blue, alez is yellow, cobra is purple, and that's who talked in my channel log |
| 17:24.10 | DTRemenak | as you've said, you think cops and admins don't have access, and therefore they aren't useful |
| 17:24.36 | alpha1-2 | wait |
| 17:25.01 | DTRemenak | I disagree with both parts of that. but again, it doesn't matter. open source software is all about scratching your own itch, so go for it. |
| 17:25.06 | alpha1-2 | that was the last 3 points regarding to th actual state of things, but before I said my opinon specifically about server logs |
| 17:25.42 | alpha1-2 | i said that *I agree with server logs* |
| 17:26.00 | alpha1-2 | but for th moment they are unuseful for all the admins/cops |
| 17:26.17 | alpha1-2 | then I offer a middle solution , and for now |
| 17:26.45 | alpha1-2 | and I dont discard the server logs now neither, because they are the last option in case of lies |
| 17:26.57 | alpha1-2 | "the last word" |
| 17:27.44 | alpha1-2 | I have a good case of a client log handled by admins, and I used *manually* method to get the PDF file. and the I decided to do a auto method |
| 17:28.00 | alpha1-2 | (also helped by an admin question) |
| 17:28.35 | alpha1-2 | and that is all :), if anyone hav any better solution , do it! I am not against! |
| 17:29.49 | alpha1-2 | and for he last, |
| 17:29.53 | alpha1-2 | the* |
| 17:31.01 | alpha1-2 | you DTRemenak said that I fail in assume the "all liars" as default. I dont agree, I am more approving the "good faith" principle than the "bad faith" one :) |
| 17:32.46 | alpha1-2 | brad: I see you are online now, what do you think about server logs? are they availaible for all your admins/cops? |
| 17:33.20 | alpha1-2 | is there any method for can reading it by they? |
| 17:33.28 | brad | used to be for league servers, but not any more |
| 17:34.02 | brad | logs should (imo) only be looked at if someone makes a complaint |
| 17:34.25 | alpha1-2 | what method? any permission, like file server? |
| 17:34.48 | brad | through a website |
| 17:34.52 | brad | but not any more ;p |
| 17:35.00 | alpha1-2 | ahh |
| 17:35.47 | alpha1-2 | well, then, as all who told about it, it seems no other than th owners can acces to them... so --> client logs :) |
| 17:36.03 | alpha1-2 | for now at least |
| 17:36.10 | alpha1-2 | or screnshots |
| 17:36.47 | alpha1-2 | apart I mean not onluy for problems, too for save any interesting chat for example, or server messages, etc :) |
| 17:37.17 | alpha1-2 | well, who wants to use it, go ahead, I will continue working :) |
| 17:37.48 | alpha1-2 | and thanks to all who congrated me :) |
| 17:38.27 | alpha1-2 | (i am still needing some Mac/other system testers BTW) |
| 17:39.59 | alpha1-2 | *or gave the thanks* |
| 17:40.03 | alpha1-2 | me* |
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| 18:18.01 | alpha1-2 | yeah worked worked finaly!! :D |
| 18:18.18 | alpha1-2 | phew! |
| 18:18.43 | alpha1-2 | (do I will be rich now??) |
| 18:19.25 | alpha1-2 | I deserve a good "asado argentino" now!! :) |
| 18:19.34 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 18:20.43 | alpha1-2 | it was a long night... |
| 18:27.43 | alpha1-2_away | ouch *will I be* |
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| 19:46.23 | alpha1-2 | Any way to post a zip file of around 3,84 MiB containing all the necessary for windows version? |
| 19:46.24 | alpha1-2 | (The Forum only allows 2 attachments of 1 MiB max. each one) |
| 19:46.55 | blast007 | or just post a zip file with the two DLL files? |
| 19:48.06 | alpha1-2 | yes It can be as the last option... I am trying to do what Jeff-M said I think (I am waiting a PM from him) |
| 19:48.20 | alpha1-2 | he said... |
| 19:49.12 | alpha1-2 | "then build a package for windows" |
| 19:49.57 | alpha1-2 | details: |
| 19:49.59 | alpha1-2 | ansifilter1,6 MiB |
| 19:50.01 | alpha1-2 | sed for windows1,9 MiB |
| 19:50.02 | alpha1-2 | 2 lireriess0,14 MiB |
| 19:50.04 | alpha1-2 | script0,2 MiB |
| 19:50.21 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.21 | alpha1-2 | 3,84 MiB |
| 19:50.53 | alpha1-2 | 0,002 script* |
| 19:52.08 | alpha1-2 | libraries* |
| 19:52.19 | alpha1-2 | sorry typos |
| 19:52.53 | JeffM | I sent you a PM, you left |
| 19:52.57 | JeffM | you don't need an installer |
| 19:53.02 | alpha1-2 | toal 3,64* |
| 19:53.05 | alpha1-2 | total* |
| 19:53.07 | alpha1-2 | grrr |
| 19:53.31 | alpha1-2 | I have checked it just before :) |
| 19:54.22 | alpha1-2 | I don't see any PM, it must be the time that the Forums takes fo send it (I think for doing changes) |
| 19:55.04 | alpha1-2 | it must be in your Outbox folder...... or the mine :P |
| 19:55.10 | alpha1-2 | in the* |
| 19:55.21 | alpha1-2 | it is here |
| 19:55.22 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 19:55.42 | alpha1-2 | join forums and you willl receive it |
| 19:55.45 | JeffM | I sent it here |
| 19:55.50 | JeffM | I rarely check the forums |
| 19:56.13 | alpha1-2 | ahhh here |
| 19:56.28 | alpha1-2 | I was waiting and I had to go then I made a Forum PM |
| 19:57.16 | JeffM | I was at lunch |
| 19:57.21 | alpha1-2 | could you check the PM? there are some questions |
| 19:57.22 | JeffM | buritos are good |
| 19:57.26 | JeffM | not right now |
| 19:57.31 | alpha1-2 | ok :) |
| 19:57.43 | alpha1-2 | I thought |
| 19:57.50 | alpha1-2 | about your lunch |
| 19:58.08 | alpha1-2 | if I di it in PM here yes? |
| 19:58.11 | alpha1-2 | do* |
| 19:58.36 | alpha1-2 | or are yu busy right now? |
| 19:58.50 | JeffM | I am documenting an update system |
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| 19:59.07 | alpha1-2 | are you at the work? |
| 19:59.09 | JeffM | and trying to figure out how many exit nodes our CDN has |
| 19:59.12 | JeffM | yup |
| 19:59.26 | alpha1-2 | and why are you chatting then? :) |
| 20:00.04 | alpha1-2 | I tried to not mention yur name here :) |
| 20:00.43 | JeffM | because I can |
| 20:00.56 | alpha1-2 | you are the boss! ;) |
| 20:00.59 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 20:01.01 | JeffM | nope |
| 20:01.04 | JeffM | just a developer |
| 20:01.19 | alpha1-2 | well, the "secret"/"paralel" boss |
| 20:01.43 | alpha1-2 | your boss finally does what you want, or not? ;) |
| 20:02.04 | JeffM | we are alowed a lot of leway in what we do as long as we get the job done |
| 20:02.37 | alpha1-2 | nice! |
| 20:02.39 | JeffM | I was suposed to be off today but a developer at corporate HQ needs some info so I came in |
| 20:03.04 | alpha1-2 | are you working at home or at work? |
| 20:03.31 | alpha1-2 | I mean kinda freelance? |
| 20:03.47 | alpha1-2 | like callcenter? |
| 20:04.44 | JeffM | I am at the office |
| 20:04.50 | JeffM | at my desk |
| 20:04.57 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 20:05.05 | alpha1-2 | yuo are the boss! ;D |
| 20:05.15 | alpha1-2 | or looks like ;) |
| 20:05.28 | alpha1-2 | look* |
| 20:05.51 | JeffM | no, my boss is at her desk |
| 20:06.00 | alpha1-2 | her... ;) |
| 20:06.34 | alpha1-2 | you have to do good letter then , women are complicated |
| 20:08.34 | JeffM | not really |
| 20:08.37 | JeffM | she's a very good boss |
| 20:09.13 | JeffM | and you don't need an installer |
| 20:09.15 | JeffM | that's overkill |
| 20:09.21 | JeffM | just make a bat file |
| 20:09.25 | JeffM | the users will know what to do |
| 20:09.49 | JeffM | double clicking a bat file runs it |
| 20:12.08 | alpha1-2 | I was asking for doing a post with zip containing all the necessary (4 MiB) but it seems impossible, any other idea? maybe at repository? this is finally a develoment too |
| 20:12.24 | JeffM | why is it impossible? |
| 20:12.35 | JeffM | or is it just that your process is too complex? |
| 20:12.51 | alpha1-2 | the Forum accept until 2 attachments of 1 MiB each one max |
| 20:13.11 | JeffM | then host it on a website and provide the URL |
| 20:13.24 | alpha1-2 | uh i dot have any :( |
| 20:13.32 | alpha1-2 | at repository? |
| 20:14.06 | JeffM | any website |
| 20:15.33 | alpha1-2 | no... at repository? |
| 20:16.32 | JeffM | a repository is overkill but whatever, just so long as people can download it |
| 20:16.35 | alpha1-2 | this is finally a develoment too |
| 20:16.49 | JeffM | it dosn't matter exactly where it's hosted |
| 20:17.51 | alpha1-2 | so long? what do you mean? yu was who gave me the good idea of the package :P |
| 20:18.47 | JeffM | you can have packages in things other then repository |
| 20:18.55 | JeffM | it's just a zip file |
| 20:20.05 | alpha1-2 | I am talking of the BZ repo eh |
| 20:21.19 | JeffM | we would not host your code |
| 20:21.26 | JeffM | this is your project not ours |
| 20:22.00 | JeffM | we have said that the way we would want to see it implemented would be in the client, if you were to do that then we'd gladly accept the patch and make it part of the mainline |
| 20:22.31 | JeffM | but your use of external tools makes it too cumberson to use for the average user so I would not want to incorporate that |
| 20:23.41 | alpha1-2 | ehh you are contradicting yourself |
| 20:23.49 | JeffM | nope |
| 20:24.11 | JeffM | you make it internal, we accept, you keep it external, you are on your own |
| 20:24.45 | alpha1-2 | you encouraged my to do a whole package, I previously find *a lot* for obtain the minimal size (programs) and finally yuo said me that you would want to host it? |
| 20:24.54 | alpha1-2 | found* |
| 20:25.02 | alpha1-2 | say* |
| 20:25.08 | alpha1-2 | wouldn't |
| 20:25.14 | alpha1-2 | sorry typos :( |
| 20:25.17 | JeffM | sure, you asked my opinion on what you should do |
| 20:26.03 | JeffM | that was not automatic acceptace of your project as something we want to incorporate |
| 20:27.06 | alpha1-2 | tell me one thing |
| 20:27.46 | alpha1-2 | is there nowadays any better method for do the client logs quickly apart of this way that I worked *a lot*? |
| 20:28.19 | alpha1-2 | and for 3 operating systems or more pottencially? |
| 20:28.36 | alpha1-2 | potentially* |
| 20:28.51 | blast007 | yes, there is |
| 20:28.56 | blast007 | adding HTML logging |
| 20:29.15 | alpha1-2 | yes I know that, but it isn't made *nowadays* |
| 20:29.22 | JeffM | huh? |
| 20:29.38 | JeffM | why do you think that adding HTML logging will be so hard on 3 OSs? |
| 20:29.54 | JeffM | do you just not want to do it or do you not know how to do it? |
| 20:30.39 | alpha1-2 | apart, if anyone do it (that will take a time), it has to be implemented in the next version of the game --> more time |
| 20:30.43 | alpha1-2 | does* |
| 20:30.44 | blast007 | that would probably be a fairly easy project for someone to do if they wanted to start contributing to BZFlag |
| 20:30.54 | JeffM | yeah it'll take time |
| 20:31.14 | JeffM | leave your current thign as it is, windows users will figure out how to use it |
| 20:31.19 | JeffM | then start working on the real version |
| 20:31.31 | JeffM | we have lived for 20 years with out, what's a few more weeks? |
| 20:32.28 | alpha1-2 | so, *until* that version is made, please, give some help to *this* edveloper that worked 1,5 week continuosly fo gives a *middle and quick* solution |
| 20:32.40 | JeffM | we don't host files for people |
| 20:32.50 | JeffM | there are many ways for you to get a host for your own files |
| 20:32.52 | JeffM | it is not hard |
| 20:32.53 | alpha1-2 | and it is for the comunity not fo me |
| 20:32.59 | blast007 | alpha1-2: nag the author of ansifilter to add the DLL files to the package |
| 20:33.05 | JeffM | no it's your project, if we host it we have to support it |
| 20:33.16 | JeffM | yeah tell them to just throw in the 2 files |
| 20:33.22 | JeffM | they probalby don't even know they need them |
| 20:34.04 | alpha1-2 | i am not desperato neither BTW, maybe some other guy here can helps |
| 20:34.04 | blast007 | a good reason to test software on a system other than your development system ;) |
| 20:34.16 | alpha1-2 | no problem |
| 20:34.20 | JeffM | you seem quite desperate |
| 20:34.29 | JeffM | but we have no real desire to help you test it |
| 20:34.35 | JeffM | so you have to do the work for your project |
| 20:34.58 | alpha1-2 | ok ok no problem :) |
| 20:35.29 | alpha1-2 | and it isnt *my* project, I dont find *my*fame or money , etc... it s all for the community |
| 20:35.55 | alpha1-2 | and there are people interested, so maybe some of they can help |
| 20:36.02 | alpha1-2 | them* |
| 20:36.11 | blast007 | so let the community fill in the gaps then |
| 20:36.27 | alpha1-2 | ok :) |
| 20:36.28 | blast007 | you've done most of the work.. they'll figure it out if they desire it enough |
| 20:37.02 | alpha1-2 | I have still to post with alezako-s help the windows version. it is almost done |
| 20:37.06 | JeffM | alpha1-2, it is your project, you decided to do it |
| 20:37.13 | alezakos | I'm alezakos, not alezako-s |
| 20:37.25 | JeffM | it may be FOR the community but you are the push behidn it |
| 20:37.37 | alpha1-2 | I don't want to call people third names just in case :) |
| 20:37.41 | JeffM | so make no mistake, it is YOUR project |
| 20:37.49 | alpha1-2 | for the chat ring thing |
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| 20:41.09 | alpha1-2 | JeffM: yes, I did it, with some help of others... but I don't sell it, I don't mae money with it... it is for all |
| 20:41.20 | JeffM | what does money have to do with it? |
| 20:41.25 | JeffM | nobody said anything about money |
| 20:41.39 | alpha1-2 | ok, just clarifying :P |
| 20:41.44 | blast007 | Where's my money? *breaks some kneecaps* |
| 20:42.58 | alpha1-2 | :) |
| 20:43.11 | swigg | I want *all* my money; Not some of my money. ALL my money. |
| 20:43.32 | alpha1-2 | yeah yeah..... ehmmmm.... but who should pay for all??? :P |
| 20:43.42 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 20:43.54 | alpha1-2 | the players!!!!! |
| 20:44.05 | alpha1-2 | yeah !!! they are who enjoy our works!!!! |
| 20:44.12 | alpha1-2 | ha ha ha |
| 20:44.26 | alpha1-2 | Snake!!!!! |
| 20:44.32 | alpha1-2 | come here!!!!! |
| 20:44.34 | alpha1-2 | dont run!!!!! |
| 20:44.37 | swigg | JeffM: http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/07/24/2130239/microsoft-will-allow-indie-self-publishing-debugging-on-retail-xbox-one |
| 20:44.40 | alpha1-2 | h a ha ha |
| 20:44.54 | JeffM | swigg, then have fun |
| 20:45.05 | JeffM | hope you know directX :) |
| 20:45.08 | swigg | Not me, silly! |
| 20:45.25 | JeffM | I have no desire to make a new game on a console |
| 20:45.40 | swigg | But does that change anything about what you were saying about difficulty in publishing? |
| 20:45.44 | JeffM | yes |
| 20:45.50 | JeffM | it means no dev kit |
| 20:45.55 | JeffM | dosn't solve all the other problems |
| 20:46.01 | JeffM | just one small one |
| 20:46.12 | swigg | Hopefully less cost |
| 20:46.17 | JeffM | not really |
| 20:46.33 | swigg | I imagine they will have an app store for independent titles |
| 20:46.37 | JeffM | sure |
| 20:47.12 | JeffM | dosn't mean that bzflag would port right up |
| 20:47.20 | swigg | Maybe a splinter dev group could do it; I imagine it could be made to be compatible with the mainstream release |
| 20:47.23 | JeffM | I also don't know what they offer for indie hosting of net games |
| 20:47.36 | JeffM | you don't get a real network connection on the console |
| 20:47.41 | JeffM | you have to use there multiplayer services |
| 20:47.54 | swigg | You can do a proxy via a PC |
| 20:47.59 | JeffM | no you can't |
| 20:48.12 | JeffM | the app on the console can't just open a socket |
| 20:48.14 | swigg | at least, you could do it with the 360 in the past |
| 20:48.21 | JeffM | if you had the dev extensions installed |
| 20:48.38 | JeffM | or you just mean a proxy server for networking? |
| 20:48.49 | swigg | I think it was done via a hack in the local LAN hosting |
| 20:49.04 | JeffM | yeah that's not vaibale for a real game |
| 20:49.16 | JeffM | you have to use the xbox live stuff for your networking |
| 20:49.23 | JeffM | so it can do friend joins and all that |
| 20:49.29 | JeffM | and that is it's own networking layer |
| 20:49.36 | swigg | the problem was something like any latency over 125ms or something could not connect |
| 20:49.39 | JeffM | you can't make that connecto to mofo |
| 20:50.09 | JeffM | you are also talking about rewriting the entire rendering system |
| 20:51.12 | swigg | I dunno; I read that excerpt and found it encouraging |
| 20:51.23 | JeffM | it'll be interesing to see what MS ends up with and how people can us it, but nothing I have seen points to 1:1 PC integration |
| 20:51.36 | JeffM | it's not really different from XNA |
| 20:52.03 | JeffM | I'm happy they didn't cancel that type of program on the Xbone, but I don't see it being any more open then it used to be |
| 20:52.27 | swigg | Maybe they will open things up some more in coming days |
| 20:52.51 | swigg | Nice to see stuff like that in this world of locked down devices |
| 20:53.18 | JeffM | again it's not any more open then indie dev currently |
| 20:53.29 | JeffM | and what they had with XNA was fine |
| 20:53.33 | JeffM | for them |
| 20:53.48 | JeffM | apple has set the standard for what devs expect |
| 20:53.51 | JeffM | walled garden |
| 20:54.06 | JeffM | and 30% |
| 20:54.16 | swigg | Well, they did change some of the controversial things like 'always online' and not being able to sell used games, etc |
| 20:54.51 | JeffM | sure, but they didn't open it any more then the old Xbox |
| 20:54.53 | swigg | Apple can lock stuff down all they want; It makes it easier to succeed with open source stuff |
| 20:54.55 | JeffM | they just didn't change |
| 20:55.08 | JeffM | heh, yeah we'll see how that ubuntu phone does :) |
| 20:55.16 | swigg | well they did change.. then backtracked |
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| 21:04.07 | apeman | I assumed that a PlayerJoinEvent always happens before a corresponding PlayerPartEvent, but apparently I have come across a case where PlayerPartEvent can happen without a prior Join. |
| 21:21.34 | Erroneous | join is not a mandatory message |
| 21:22.21 | JeffM | they may discconect before they finish all the join stuff |
| 21:23.10 | Erroneous | or they can connect and never actually join. there's a certain amount of stuff you can do without joining (I don't remember the details) |
| 21:23.26 | JeffM | get game info, player counts, etcc |
| 21:23.31 | JeffM | the stat poller does all that |
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| 21:29.33 | alpha1-2 | anyone has used moooo.org site for uploading files? |
| 21:29.47 | alpha1-2 | I have having som eerrors |
| 21:29.47 | apeman | What is the need to part them if they haven't joined? |
| 21:30.26 | apeman | alpha1-2: i used that and it didnt tell me where my uploaded file was |
| 21:31.08 | alpha1-2 | oh... any error when you uploading them? |
| 21:32.25 | *** part/#bzflag apeman (~Victor@181.237.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) |
| 21:37.51 | JeffM | apeman, the part is anytime ANYTHING disconnects under the BZFLag protocoll |
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| 21:38.12 | JeffM | Join is not the connection, join is them sending in all the login info and asking to be a player or observer |
| 21:38.46 | JeffM | the API can't really do anything with users that have connected but have not fully connected, they don't have full infomration yet |
| 21:54.16 | blast007 | the join logic should be cleaned up regardless :) |
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| 22:03.56 | alpha1-2_away | each how much time a new release is out? each 1 year more or less? and where is the 2.4.3? |
| 22:04.47 | alpha1-2_away | if I do an HTML logger code, in how time it would be out? |
| 22:04.56 | JeffM | depends |
| 22:05.17 | JeffM | 2.4.3 is what SVN for the 2.4.x line |
| 22:05.25 | JeffM | if it was released it'd be done as 2.4.2 |
| 22:05.29 | JeffM | sorry 2.4.4 |
| 22:06.21 | JeffM | we keep the odd numbers for development |
| 22:06.34 | alpha1-2_away | i dont see 2.4.3 in VN |
| 22:06.38 | alpha1-2_away | SVN |
| 22:06.49 | JeffM | Trunk/BZFlag |
| 22:07.14 | alpha1-2_away | ok |
| 22:08.00 | alpha1-2 | so in how much time it culd be out? |
| 22:08.21 | JeffM | the current plan is to just make 2.6.0 |
| 22:08.39 | alpha1-2 | I have heard |
| 22:08.43 | JeffM | but for you if you did the work we could host the changes as a patch that users could apply |
| 22:08.51 | JeffM | so they could get your changes sooner |
| 22:09.10 | alpha1-2 | like a snapshot version maybe? |
| 22:09.45 | JeffM | no, a patch file that users apply and build |
| 22:10.01 | alpha1-2 | how does it works? |
| 22:10.23 | alpha1-2 | using SVN or just downlading it? |
| 22:10.41 | JeffM | they are hosted on sourceforge for download |
| 22:12.26 | alpha1-2 | if i download a patch, how can I update my game? |
| 22:12.52 | JeffM | on linux you use the patch command |
| 22:13.03 | JeffM | other OSs have other methods |
| 22:13.08 | alpha1-2 | oh |
| 22:13.32 | alpha1-2 | oh diff files |
| 22:13.56 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:14.01 | JeffM | a patch is a diff |
| 22:14.05 | alpha1-2 | so it woul be easy fo average players or most for average admins? |
| 22:15.04 | JeffM | many linux players build there own versions |
| 22:15.08 | JeffM | most windows users do not |
| 22:15.17 | alpha1-2 | yes I imagine |
| 22:15.24 | JeffM | we do not have a strict release schedule so there is no way for me to give you a date for when anything will be shipped |
| 22:15.54 | alpha1-2 | i can remember the 2.4.2 out date, around end of past year? |
| 22:16.09 | JeffM | we do not update very often |
| 22:16.16 | alpha1-2 | and now yo have the 2.4.3, then more or less 6 months? |
| 22:16.30 | JeffM | we had 2.4.3 the moment we shipped 2.4.2 |
| 22:16.46 | alpha1-2 | really? |
| 22:16.50 | JeffM | 2.4.3 will NEVER be released, it's just a number we use for the code between releases |
| 22:16.55 | JeffM | we do not ever release odd versions |
| 22:17.20 | alpha1-2 | bu I just heard about it a pair of months ago |
| 22:17.35 | alpha1-2 | and the server went updating iirc |
| 22:17.40 | alpha1-2 | servers* |
| 22:17.53 | alpha1-2 | were* |
| 22:18.27 | alpha1-2 | ah a odd number |
| 22:18.59 | alpha1-2 | i saw some servers (or many?) running 2.4.3 already, from 1 month ago lets say iirc |
| 22:19.44 | alpha1-2 | ok, then mre or less 1 release per yar as I said at start... just for knowing the situation thanks :) |
| 22:20.00 | alpha1-2 | per year* |
| 22:20.57 | alpha1-2 | and git repo isn't being used or what happend? |
| 22:23.41 | JeffM | most servers run SVN code |
| 22:23.58 | JeffM | the git repository is for 2.6 development |
| 22:24.03 | alpha1-2 | ah |
| 22:24.51 | alpha1-2 | changing the topic... when you use a .bat file in windows do you have to enable the execution flag through propierties? |
| 22:25.18 | JeffM | the what? |
| 22:25.53 | alpha1-2 | properties* |
| 22:26.03 | alpha1-2 | kinda of execution permiss |
| 22:26.03 | JeffM | windows is not unix |
| 22:26.08 | alpha1-2 | permit* |
| 22:26.12 | alpha1-2 | i dont remember well |
| 22:26.12 | JeffM | windows is not unix |
| 22:26.16 | alpha1-2 | i know |
| 22:26.18 | JeffM | you can't execute any file |
| 22:26.27 | JeffM | there is no execute permision on a per file basis |
| 22:26.35 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 22:26.41 | JeffM | making it .bat makes the shell know how to deal with it |
| 22:26.46 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 22:27.02 | alpha1-2 | so, as you said, just a clikc in explorer and done? |
| 22:27.12 | alpha1-2 | doubl click |
| 22:27.14 | JeffM | yup |
| 22:27.16 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 22:37.39 | alpha1-2 | ehm, but the next release will be 2.4.4 or .2.4.6? are they parallels in some way? or 2.4.4 isn't sure that goes out? |
| 22:38.54 | JeffM | no we plan on releasing 2.6.0 |
| 22:39.13 | alpha1-2 | oh 2.6.0* |
| 22:39.24 | JeffM | if we do another release that is compatable with 2.4.2 it would be 2.4.4 |
| 22:39.36 | JeffM | but we do not plan on doing another compatable release |
| 22:40.30 | alpha1-2 | ok... then for 2.6.0 will pass much more time than 1 year from now or the same (because it is a major jump, plans, etc) |
| 22:40.50 | JeffM | we don't know |
| 22:41.43 | alpha1-2 | I guess that the counting time is from her right, because won'tl you use mostly code of 2.4.3 |
| 22:41.48 | alpha1-2 | here* |
| 22:42.10 | alpha1-2 | the idea is to do a cualitative jump |
| 22:42.31 | JeffM | huh? |
| 22:42.44 | alpha1-2 | qualitative* |
| 22:42.49 | JeffM | huh? |
| 22:43.01 | alpha1-2 | not compatable, new plans? |
| 22:43.30 | JeffM | any time we add a gameplay feature to the client we break compatability |
| 22:43.32 | alpha1-2 | using some of 2.99? |
| 22:43.39 | JeffM | or when we change networking |
| 22:43.45 | JeffM | we will backport some 2.99 stuff |
| 22:43.55 | JeffM | but we will start with the current 2.4.x code |
| 22:44.17 | alpha1-2 | yes, well, I suppose then 1 year from here moe or les then |
| 22:44.27 | JeffM | or maybe 5 years |
| 22:44.30 | JeffM | or 20 |
| 22:44.33 | JeffM | or 6 months |
| 22:45.03 | alpha1-2 | yes, maybe 6 or 12 months, it would be "normal" I think, unless you want to do a big jump |
| 22:45.11 | JeffM | there is no normal |
| 22:45.17 | JeffM | we are all over the map |
| 22:45.39 | JeffM | 2.4.2 took a year and it didn't have any features |
| 22:45.52 | alpha1-2 | we are all over the map? meaning? |
| 22:46.06 | JeffM | some releases were weeks after the last, some years |
| 22:46.55 | alpha1-2 | well according to SVN releases , *more or less* 1 per year ;) |
| 22:47.06 | alpha1-2 | as I said before |
| 22:47.13 | alpha1-2 | so i guess "normal" |
| 22:47.28 | alpha1-2 | ok, np, just to figuring it out |
| 22:47.33 | alpha1-2 | to me |
| 22:48.04 | alpha1-2 | or maybe 2 |
| 22:48.07 | JeffM | our development has become very erratic in the last 5 years |
| 22:48.17 | alpha1-2 | oh |
| 22:48.54 | alpha1-2 | are you happy with the next 2.6.0 plan? |
| 22:49.08 | JeffM | we don't have one yet |
| 22:49.25 | alpha1-2 | and blast's one? it was a purposal? |
| 22:49.45 | alpha1-2 | proposal* |
| 22:49.58 | alpha1-2 | just* |
| 22:59.12 | blast007 | we have my ideal 2.6, but that's not "official" |
| 22:59.37 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 22:59.48 | alpha1-2 | ofc it was made by you ;) |
| 23:00.01 | alpha1-2 | not official ;) |
| 23:00.32 | alpha1-2 | it *must* to be revised |
| 23:00.32 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 23:00.44 | alpha1-2 | BTW I have to have a look at that |
| 23:01.35 | JeffM | everyone has ideas |
| 23:02.17 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 23:02.20 | alpha1-2 | good |
| 23:02.46 | alpha1-2 | what does "not compatable" mostly mean? in relation to? |
| 23:02.58 | alpha1-2 | ehat do you lose , what do yu gain? |
| 23:02.59 | blast007 | means it doesn't work together |
| 23:03.01 | alpha1-2 | what* |
| 23:03.25 | JeffM | 2.0 can't connect to 2.2 servers |
| 23:03.31 | JeffM | so 2.4 can't connect to 2.6 servers |
| 23:03.47 | alpha1-2 | if I have a client 2.4.2 and the serverv 2.6 then they won't work together? |
| 23:03.59 | alpha1-2 | necesarely |
| 23:04.12 | *** join/#bzflag Delusional (~delusiona@unaffiliated/delusional) |
| 23:04.12 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 23:04.54 | alpha1-2 | you do it just in case, each some time, or really they needed to use new things? |
| 23:05.40 | alpha1-2 | and incompatable ones BTW |
| 23:06.02 | blast007 | it is necessary |
| 23:06.11 | alpha1-2 | like network protocols, security issues, etc |
| 23:06.22 | JeffM | we do it so all clients have the same gameplay experience |
| 23:06.23 | blast007 | if we change how the client behaves, we need to ensure it works the same way for everyone playing on the server |
| 23:07.14 | alpha1-2 | ahh |
| 23:07.35 | alpha1-2 | it is like a pushing through the average version |
| 23:07.49 | alpha1-2 | to upside |
| 23:08.11 | alpha1-2 | all together is the intention |
| 23:08.22 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:08.35 | alpha1-2 | *pushing to* |
| 23:08.58 | alpha1-2 | nice |
| 23:10.33 | alpha1-2 | i will tst LibreOffice with wine for see the command line behaviour :P |
| 23:10.44 | alpha1-2 | it is the last test |
| 23:11.44 | alpha1-2 | 205 MiB in 13 minutes, downloading through torrent , not bad |
| 23:12.11 | alpha1-2 | downloaded* |
| 23:13.13 | blast007 | 2mbps? not horrid, but not real great either ;) |
| 23:13.56 | alpha1-2 | telecom said 3 mbps --> so the max reach around 400 KiB/s... we are conformed :) |
| 23:14.07 | alpha1-2 | the max *real* |
| 23:14.29 | blast007 | I get 3mbps upload ;) |
| 23:14.38 | alpha1-2 | and th router is configured to 3,5 mbps just in case |
| 23:15.03 | alpha1-2 | but in high demand time (around the day) it is around 200 KiB sometimes |
| 23:15.18 | alpha1-2 | wow upload! |
| 23:15.22 | alpha1-2 | and down? |
| 23:15.53 | alpha1-2 | we have 512 KiB upload (set to 600 just in case) |
| 23:15.57 | blast007 | 15mbps, but it can burst higher.. pretty average for cable modem access |
| 23:16.18 | alpha1-2 | cable modem, with optic fibre? |
| 23:16.26 | blast007 | no, copper lines |
| 23:16.38 | alpha1-2 | optical fiber* |
| 23:16.55 | blast007 | doing 1.3MB/sec with the libreoffice torrent ;) |
| 23:17.04 | alpha1-2 | coper means togther with cable TV, telephone? |
| 23:17.30 | blast007 | hmm.. actually hitting 1.8MB/sec now |
| 23:17.48 | alpha1-2 | are youseeing your monitor prgram or torrent? |
| 23:17.53 | blast007 | torrent |
| 23:18.05 | alpha1-2 | ah I didnt see it, only my monitor |
| 23:18.21 | alpha1-2 | it always says max 400 around, when good speed |
| 23:19.22 | alpha1-2 | i saw the torrent parts of the file, and I was impressed: many lines around all the 200 MiB file :O |
| 23:19.34 | alpha1-2 | the graphic |
| 23:19.40 | blast007 | I used to download Linux ISOs on dialup.. those were the days ;) a week per CD |
| 23:19.55 | alpha1-2 | I thought that it was increasing the longitude of the file |
| 23:20.10 | alpha1-2 | but it is concurrent it seems |
| 23:20.14 | alpha1-2 | grat system |
| 23:20.18 | alpha1-2 | great* |
| 23:20.48 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 23:21.53 | alpha1-2 | I prefered to order the version by web to the local Linux user group and they deal whith th download :) |
| 23:22.19 | alpha1-2 | preferred* |
| 23:22.39 | alpha1-2 | 5 CDS for example, Mandrake 8.0 |
| 23:22.47 | alpha1-2 | great tims! |
| 23:23.06 | alpha1-2 | great system, that time I used GNOME |
| 23:23.19 | alpha1-2 | instead of KDE of SUSE |
| 23:23.34 | alpha1-2 | 2 clicks ;) |
| 23:24.19 | blast007 | I started with Mandrake 8.1, iirc |
| 23:24.30 | alpha1-2 | do you have many leeches in torrent? |
| 23:24.31 | blast007 | hated it, and then tried Slackware, and used that for a while |
| 23:25.02 | alpha1-2 | hated it why? too much easy for you? ;) |
| 23:25.16 | alpha1-2 | it was great fo me! |
| 23:25.34 | alpha1-2 | and I installed to some client (person) too |
| 23:25.37 | alpha1-2 | it |
| 23:26.06 | alpha1-2 | Slackware I tried from a Magazine version but not many luck |
| 23:26.11 | blast007 | I can't remember.. probably experienced RPM hell |
| 23:26.15 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 23:26.27 | alpha1-2 | did you use console or GUI for it? |
| 23:26.28 | blast007 | or it was too resource intensive for the system I had it on (a 133MHz Pentium with 32MB RAM) |
| 23:26.38 | alpha1-2 | rpm -i? |
| 23:26.49 | blast007 | think it had a GUI. I did more console stuff with Slackware. |
| 23:27.11 | alpha1-2 | oh it could be |
| 23:27.11 | blast007 | compiling bzfs took a week as well because it was hitting the swap file so hard :) |
| 23:27.34 | alpha1-2 | oh yeah I know that! |
| 23:27.46 | alpha1-2 | that baaaaad! |
| 23:27.50 | alpha1-2 | is* |
| 23:27.59 | blast007 | I still have that P133 too |
| 23:28.06 | alpha1-2 | its kinda the worst thing yuo can have! |
| 23:28.22 | alpha1-2 | few RAM |
| 23:28.40 | alpha1-2 | specially with linux that uses it a lot |
| 23:28.55 | blast007 | on a clean boot, it was using about 30MB :P |
| 23:29.15 | alpha1-2 | uh 32 MB max... I cant remember well that time |
| 23:29.31 | alpha1-2 | let me check i have here that machine |
| 23:29.37 | blast007 | I'd probably just use my old pentiums for DOS games now |
| 23:31.32 | alpha1-2 | I think that is similar machine yes |
| 23:31.56 | alpha1-2 | I like old machines :) |
| 23:33.17 | alpha1-2 | around 2003 I think |
| 23:33.37 | alpha1-2 | 2002 maybe |
| 23:34.53 | alpha1-2 | gotcha: abril 2001 8.0 |
| 23:35.09 | alpha1-2 | sept 2001 8.1 |
| 23:35.12 | alpha1-2 | april* |
| 23:35.38 | alpha1-2 | http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrake_Linux#Versiones_2 (spanish) |
| 23:35.53 | alpha1-2 | i will save it |
| 23:37.03 | blast007 | it was maybe in Mandrake 8.1 that I discovered BZFlag |
| 23:37.09 | alpha1-2 | uh :) |
| 23:37.10 | blast007 | can't recall |
| 23:37.37 | alpha1-2 | I remember that me too, but I didnt like FPS games so I didnt join at that time iirc :P |
| 23:38.17 | alpha1-2 | I saw some link, package, something |
| 23:39.29 | alpha1-2 | nowadays I thinktha BZ isn't to violent than majority of others and it is very smart, customizable, and (L)GPL! |
| 23:39.34 | alpha1-2 | too* |
| 23:39.47 | alpha1-2 | playable and sociable |
| 23:40.55 | blast007 | BZFlag is about as non-violent as a tank game can be without the tanks just popping a white flag out the barrel that says "BANG!" |
| 23:41.24 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 23:41.42 | alpha1-2 | and it has still some "arcade" looking |
| 23:42.05 | alpha1-2 | I mean, not too realistic like modern FPS |
| 23:42.26 | alpha1-2 | the tanks seems toys for example, and it is nice |
| 23:42.34 | alpha1-2 | the shots |
| 23:42.43 | alpha1-2 | the environment |
| 23:42.52 | alpha1-2 | the gameplay |
| 23:43.02 | alpha1-2 | or style* |
| 23:43.52 | alpha1-2 | it islike the famous game of tanks shooting with certain angle to other, turn by turn, have you see it? |
| 23:44.07 | alpha1-2 | now it is the 3D version too |
| 23:44.32 | alpha1-2 | let me see.. |
| 23:45.04 | alpha1-2 | scarched sometghing |
| 23:45.11 | swigg | I always thought shots with trajectory would be neat for BZ |
| 23:45.49 | alpha1-2 | atanks - A fun tank game, which plays like Scorched Earth |
| 23:46.03 | alpha1-2 | http://atanks.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:46.22 | alpha1-2 | ha ha this is the first version |
| 23:47.01 | alpha1-2 | let me enable packman (repo) |
| 23:47.52 | blast007 | I had made a game like that on my TI-83+ graphing calculator :) |
| 23:47.59 | alpha1-2 | yeah the new version |
| 23:48.00 | alpha1-2 | http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/ |
| 23:48.04 | blast007 | even had random terrain generation |
| 23:48.24 | blast007 | didn't have the "drill holes through the terrain" though :) |
| 23:48.59 | alpha1-2 | neat! |
| 23:49.14 | alpha1-2 | texas instruments yeah! |
| 23:49.17 | blast007 | I should see if it's still on my calculator |
| 23:49.29 | blast007 | I should pull all the programs I wrote off of it |
| 23:49.51 | alpha1-2 | he he.... what do you think of this 3d game? |
| 23:49.59 | alpha1-2 | see thevideo |
| 23:50.50 | alpha1-2 | lol massive destruction!! |
| 23:51.07 | alpha1-2 | the island dissapears!! |
| 23:51.44 | blast007 | probably a sign that I would need to switch computers to play the game.. my laptop has trouble with just the website |
| 23:53.41 | JeffM | or maybe it's jus a bad site |
| 23:53.42 | alpha1-2 | I have some problem with the video ,close the age and serach on yotutube scorched 3d |
| 23:55.06 | alpha1-2 | http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/live/ |
| 23:55.14 | alpha1-2 | online servers and chat |
| 23:55.59 | alpha1-2 | http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/stats/ |
| 23:56.26 | alpha1-2 | it seems very small community than BZ :) |
| 23:56.29 | *** join/#bzflag AAA_awright (~aaa@2001:41d0:1:d632::1) |
| 23:56.32 | alpha1-2 | but it seems funny too |
| 23:56.39 | alpha1-2 | smaller* |
| 23:57.41 | alpha1-2 | well not too smaller neither :P |
| 23:57.57 | alpha1-2 | GPL! |
| 23:58.36 | alpha1-2 | http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Development_Details |
| 23:58.40 | JeffM | Scorced Earth is a different kind of tank game |
| 23:58.46 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 23:58.48 | JeffM | it's a balistics shooter |
| 23:58.55 | alpha1-2 | with angle yes :) |
| 23:59.15 | alpha1-2 | it is based in a propietary game too i think |
| 23:59.21 | alpha1-2 | old game |
| 23:59.21 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:59.24 | JeffM | very |
| 23:59.36 | alpha1-2 | do you know it too right? |
| 23:59.37 | khonkhortisan | the 3d version of xscorch |
| 23:59.48 | JeffM | this is scarry "Mods automatically checked and download from game server " |