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| 01:04.10 | apeman_ | Has anyone actually tested bzadmin on windows and thinks it is "usable" by any standards? |
| 01:05.54 | blast007 | wait, it's supposed to be usable?? |
| 01:06.08 | blast007 | and can you elaborate? is there an issue with it? |
| 01:06.15 | allejo | lol |
| 01:06.45 | blast007 | well, other than it lacking curses support, it seems.. :) |
| 01:07.01 | apeman_ | if someone sends one message every minute to you, the times you receive them are an exponential curve |
| 01:07.09 | blast007 | that did get fixed, but I guess not in time for 2.4.2 |
| 01:07.26 | blast007 | eh, what? |
| 01:08.10 | apeman_ | when i connect i get the first messages and then one minute later it gets sluggish and i'll be lucky to receive a message from T=120s within 5 minutes of joining |
| 01:08.31 | blast007 | well, it's a crappy program on pretty much every platform |
| 01:09.21 | apeman_ | yea, but it "works" on linux |
| 01:10.05 | apeman_ | on windows you'd have to reconnect a new bzadmin every minute in order to get 10 minutes of conversation |
| 01:11.07 | blast007 | use linux then |
| 01:11.48 | blast007 | I personally want to see bzadmin go away ;) |
| 01:12.53 | blast007 | replace it with a server plugin or two and make it web based instead |
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| 01:47.49 | BulletCatcher | JeffM_: Your BZBB signature links to opencombat.invertedpolarity.com, which is down. |
| 01:47.59 | JeffM_ | cool |
| 01:48.15 | BulletCatcher | That's making it hard to read the forums. |
| 01:48.50 | JeffM_ | you click on my signature to read posts? |
| 01:49.22 | BulletCatcher | No, but a page with several postings by you is still trying to load after several minutes. |
| 01:50.06 | BulletCatcher | phpBB doesn't adjust the font size as requested until the whole page is loaded, so all of the text is tiny. |
| 01:51.14 | JeffM_ | goes to find putty |
| 01:52.35 | JeffM_ | wow that sucker's big time offline |
| 01:58.21 | JeffM_ | wow the eniire LA VE portal seems to be offline |
| 01:58.46 | BulletCatcher | ouch |
| 01:59.27 | BulletCatcher | Firefox is still trying to load that image after 10 minutes. Annoyingly persistent. |
| 01:59.48 | JeffM_ | refresh, I broke the link to the image |
| 02:00.47 | JeffM_ | odd I can totaly access the control panel for my chicago server but nothing for the LA one |
| 02:01.01 | BulletCatcher | At this point, I want to see how long it will keep trying. :-) |
| 02:02.05 | JeffM_ | oh and the guy with the "comeback map" never posted a license for the map release, someone may want to pull the thread |
| 02:03.44 | BulletCatcher | He edited the original posting to include a suitable license, so it's ok. |
| 02:05.51 | BulletCatcher | BTW, I now have a github account: JMakey. |
| 02:06.05 | BulletCatcher | I decided not to use an alias there. |
| 02:06.12 | JeffM_ | ahh ok |
| 02:06.39 | JeffM_ | now to decide if I ask you to sign the developer agreement first :) |
| 02:07.52 | JeffM_ | at the very least I'd like your opinon on it, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B-kj3BeFhFghYjIQ6dC81tfLf-ldUYQHOhMPv16Ykmw/edit?usp=sharing |
| 02:09.36 | BulletCatcher | I don't seem to have access to it. |
| 02:09.55 | JeffM_ | hmm it's set to "anyone with this link can view" |
| 02:10.24 | JeffM_ | try now, I removed the requirement to have a google account |
| 02:10.26 | BulletCatcher | I just requested access. |
| 02:10.49 | JeffM_ | and you are now a member of some teams on github |
| 02:10.56 | BulletCatcher | I can see the doc now. |
| 02:11.03 | JeffM_ | you should have admin to the repos |
| 02:12.18 | BulletCatcher | It now says I am a member. :-) |
| 02:13.52 | JeffM_ | hoorays |
| 02:15.34 | JeffM_ | whooohoo, I've got $0.83 in my steam wallet now from selling trading cards!! |
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| 02:17.27 | BulletCatcher | There's a typo at the end of the "Contribution" definition. |
| 02:17.33 | BulletCatcher | s/fo/do/ |
| 02:17.53 | JeffM_ | k |
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| 02:18.30 | JeffM_ | fixed |
| 02:18.50 | BulletCatcher | Google let me watch you type that change. :-) |
| 02:19.36 | JeffM_ | that's google, always spying |
| 02:21.00 | JeffM_ | the general idea of the agreement is to have something slightly more formal then what we have in the devinfo so that if/when tim decides to transfer copyright the current set of developers will have agreed that it's ok |
| 02:22.00 | JeffM_ | yay my host came back |
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| 02:22.53 | BulletCatcher | Darn, I wasn't paying attention and didn't see when Firefox stopped trying to load the image. |
| 02:23.00 | JeffM_ | heh |
| 02:23.14 | BulletCatcher | It was still going after 15 minutes. |
| 02:23.54 | JeffM_ | wow people still trying to talk about auto hunt for laggy? |
| 02:24.01 | JeffM_ | or show a prediction box? |
| 02:24.08 | JeffM_ | if we could do that then we could fix the lag problem :) |
| 02:25.02 | blast007 | pfft, what would really fix that issue is a kill cam |
| 02:25.06 | blast007 | and voice chat |
| 02:25.12 | JeffM_ | and hats |
| 02:25.18 | JeffM_ | and apperantly trading cards now |
| 02:25.31 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:25.52 | apeman_ | so when are the bzflag trading cards coming out |
| 02:25.56 | JeffM_ | once we get on steamp |
| 02:25.58 | JeffM_ | steam |
| 02:26.06 | blast007 | shortly after version 6.0 |
| 02:26.23 | JeffM_ | ooo universe sandbox for 2$, everyone should own that |
| 02:26.24 | apeman_ | its surprising that digital trading card games can still be hugely successful (selling 10 cards for $20) |
| 02:26.50 | JeffM_ | I just made EIGHTY THREE whole cents of them, they are awesome |
| 02:26.53 | blast007 | think I got that for free at one point.. or maybe I'm thinking of the educational steam thing |
| 02:27.07 | JeffM_ | it's fun to smash jupiter into things |
| 02:27.11 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:27.55 | JeffM_ | I had to pick up Surgon Simulator 2013 as well |
| 02:28.02 | JeffM_ | how can you not for 3.40$ |
| 02:29.00 | blast007 | I need to stop buying games until I play the ones I already have... :P |
| 02:29.24 | blast007 | lately I've been buying mostly from gog.com though |
| 02:29.26 | JeffM_ | somone sugested buing them a gifts and not putting in an address for them |
| 02:29.50 | JeffM_ | then they stay on your account and you can give them to yourself if you play it, or sell it to someone else later |
| 02:29.53 | JeffM_ | if you don't |
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| 02:34.34 | drizzo4shizzo | gog.com++ |
| 02:35.09 | BulletCatcher | My main thought on the proposed developer agreement: I would need to have a lawyer review it for me. |
| 02:35.52 | BulletCatcher | I suppose I should go look at what I agreed to when I signed up at SourceForge. |
| 02:37.20 | Jeffm | heh |
| 02:37.43 | Jeffm | we got the wording from a template that an org publishes to help out open source proejcts |
| 02:38.03 | Jeffm | and techicaly what is said there is better for you then what is in devinfo currently |
| 02:38.23 | Jeffm | you still have copyright on your work, but you can not tell the project how to use that work |
| 02:38.58 | Jeffm | tho we agree to at the very least licnese the work under the terms of our software license at time of submisiion |
| 02:39.28 | Jeffm | so you can sell, relicense, do whatever to your code, we have to lgpl it when you submit it, but we can transfer or sublicense it as well |
| 02:39.33 | Jeffm | and you can't revoke our right to do that |
| 02:40.31 | Jeffm | basicly it prevents a single developer from stoping a transfer, but it lets that developer submit that code to multiple proejcts, or make money off it if they want |
| 02:41.01 | Jeffm | and it prevents us from doing a bait and switch and never releaing submited code under the license for the project |
| 02:42.55 | BulletCatcher | It seems like there ought to be simpler way to enable that, but maybe that's just because I am not a lawyer. |
| 02:43.31 | Jeffm | there is, copyright assignment |
| 02:43.43 | Jeffm | bassicly you give up all rights to the code |
| 02:44.32 | BulletCatcher | Have there been potential BZFlag contributors who didn't want to assign copyright to Tim? |
| 02:59.23 | Jeffm | well I'm not entirely sure how many people are even aware of what we put in Devinfo |
| 02:59.35 | Jeffm | so it's had to say, hence why I wanted a form that they had to click on |
| 02:59.51 | Jeffm | but so far I don't think there is anyone who would cause a problem |
| 02:59.56 | Jeffm | but it ony takes one |
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