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| 00:38.04 | drizzo4shizzo | I assume "downloading textures" is just for things referenced in maps, not in-game textures like tanks, flags? |
| 00:39.02 | drizzo4shizzo | happy 4th, all http://imgur.com/iB434dq |
| 00:39.03 | khonkhortisan | it's the textures that are hosted elsewhere |
| 00:39.24 | khonkhortisan | replaces his flag texture |
| 00:39.29 | drizzo4shizzo | :-D |
| 00:39.42 | blast | drizzo4shizzo: yes, it is for textures referenced in map materials |
| 00:41.25 | khonkhortisan | it's cool, but it's missing transparency |
| 00:45.54 | khonkhortisan | http://postimg.org/image/b3y4xdljn/ |
| 00:45.58 | drizzo4shizzo | I may have flattened that wrong, I think it killed the transparency. |
| 00:46.00 | drizzo4shizzo | http://imgur.com/t26l3Zn |
| 00:46.02 | drizzo4shizzo | lol |
| 00:46.11 | khonkhortisan | gimped it |
| 00:46.18 | drizzo4shizzo | I redid it, probably same effect |
| 00:46.29 | drizzo4shizzo | I needed to uncheck "save color value for transparent pixels" |
| 00:46.58 | khonkhortisan | oh someone else had that problem recently - needed to convert it to rgba to get the transparency that was already there |
| 00:47.11 | khonkhortisan | but I just did the magic color select |
| 00:47.16 | drizzo4shizzo | yeah I had to convert to rgba just to blend the flag |
| 00:47.24 | drizzo4shizzo | I just messed up on the export the 1st time |
| 00:47.45 | drizzo4shizzo | I can't really see the tank... let me try again |
| 00:48.19 | khonkhortisan | might need a pure white outline |
| 00:48.50 | khonkhortisan | I didn't expect the team flag to be colorized |
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| 00:52.18 | drizzo4shizzo | its just one texture so.. I guess antidote flags would look like yellow american flags too |
| 00:56.40 | drizzo4shizzo | http://imgur.com/6QO4EuH |
| 01:00.13 | drizzo4shizzo | alright, final answer: http://imgur.com/3Da7oh2 |
| 01:01.17 | drizzo4shizzo | hmm, I didn't see "flag.png" in the source anywhere |
| 01:02.08 | tw1sted | blast: you use irssi? |
| 01:02.11 | drizzo4shizzo | btw the flag is wikimedia commons |
| 01:02.19 | blast | yes |
| 01:02.59 | tw1sted | do you just ssh into your server when you want to go on irc? |
| 01:03.16 | blast | normally, yes |
| 01:03.34 | blast | this irssi is running from my Windows XP laptop though. the blast007 one is on my server. |
| 01:03.45 | tw1sted | yeah, i figured |
| 01:04.35 | tw1sted | do you have any irssi theme you recommend? |
| 01:05.19 | blast | I use the normal one |
| 01:16.41 | drizzo4shizzo | final result, http://imgur.com/LQdYH6W :-P |
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| 01:23.41 | spldart | ergh |
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| 01:25.08 | khonkhortisan | I wonder if that flag is allowable in gu |
| 01:25.26 | alpha1-2_away | nice flag drizzo4shizzo :) |
| 01:25.46 | drizzo4shizzo | tx. what's gu |
| 01:26.29 | alpha1-2_away | typical of all USA's citizens :) |
| 01:26.52 | alpha1-2_away | (putting flags in all places) |
| 01:27.08 | JeffM | britan started it |
| 01:27.14 | JeffM | no flag no country |
| 01:27.18 | alpha1-2_away | he he |
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| 01:30.06 | alpha1-2_away | I have an idea: each tank, no matter the map, should have a flag all the time over it, that shows his nationality ;) (just funny joke/idea) |
| 01:30.43 | alpha1-2_away | or maybe any avatar? |
| 01:30.54 | alpha1-2_away | isn't nice/funny? |
| 01:31.44 | alpha1-2_away | then when you see a tank, inmediately you know who it is |
| 01:31.54 | drizzo4shizzo | that might be fun |
| 01:31.58 | alpha1-2_away | :) |
| 01:32.28 | drizzo4shizzo | I think some of the new proposed changes involved flags being more like "attributes" as in you could potentially have several at once |
| 01:32.52 | drizzo4shizzo | but my tank needs a sponsor |
| 01:32.59 | alpha1-2_away | he he |
| 01:33.10 | alpha1-2_away | yeah, some stickers :) |
| 01:33.20 | alpha1-2_away | like the rally |
| 01:33.34 | alpha1-2_away | (joking) |
| 01:34.50 | drizzo4shizzo | like top gear |
| 01:34.53 | drizzo4shizzo | http://topgear.wikia.com/wiki/Larsen%27s_Biscuits |
| 01:35.32 | alpha1-2_away | yeah, we can get money with our skills!! |
| 01:36.08 | alpha1-2_away | oh fake sponsor :P |
| 01:36.14 | drizzo4shizzo | yeah "arse biscuits" FTW! |
| 01:37.53 | alpha1-2_away | there says "Larsen" |
| 01:38.01 | drizzo4shizzo | when u open the door |
| 01:38.08 | drizzo4shizzo | on one side it turns to "arse biscuits" |
| 01:38.09 | alpha1-2_away | ohhh |
| 01:38.20 | drizzo4shizzo | and the other side, well lets just say you saw part of the "Peniston oils" logo |
| 01:38.53 | alpha1-2_away | bad taste :P |
| 01:38.54 | drizzo4shizzo | http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2395/2101913945_fb0f7dc146.jpg |
| 01:39.03 | alpha1-2_away | ohh |
| 01:39.22 | drizzo4shizzo | in the show they did not mention this fact once |
| 01:39.37 | alpha1-2_away | perverse :P |
| 01:39.59 | drizzo4shizzo | they're brits. |
| 01:56.05 | JeffM | drizzo4shizzo, not muliple flags, but atributes can be applied to tanks independent of flags |
| 01:56.10 | JeffM | the flag would just be a graphical thing |
| 01:56.42 | alpha1-2_away | a permanent flag? |
| 01:56.56 | JeffM | whatever the server wants to do |
| 01:57.01 | JeffM | the client would just accept it |
| 01:57.42 | alpha1-2_away | ok, then you could have servers that allow it and other ones that no? |
| 01:57.50 | JeffM | sure |
| 01:58.00 | JeffM | the idea is to have the server define the actual game part |
| 01:58.12 | JeffM | and the client just be dumb and show what it's told |
| 01:58.52 | alpha1-2_away | how much would you charge the server? |
| 01:59.36 | JeffM | charge? 27.50$ USD |
| 01:59.36 | alpha1-2_away | 3D work for example too? |
| 01:59.40 | JeffM | no |
| 01:59.46 | JeffM | that's the client's job |
| 02:00.14 | alpha1-2_away | sorry --> load* |
| 02:00.23 | alpha1-2_away | (cargar in sanish) |
| 02:00.27 | alpha1-2_away | spanish* |
| 02:00.53 | JeffM | the server does not render things but it does have to do the 3d math to figure out where everyone is |
| 02:01.01 | alpha1-2_away | it's hard to me to imagine it |
| 02:01.05 | JeffM | why? |
| 02:01.10 | JeffM | it's now most games these days work |
| 02:01.57 | alpha1-2_away | but what kind of servers do you have in propietary games? very powerful I think |
| 02:02.03 | JeffM | naw |
| 02:02.27 | JeffM | most of the time on the client is spent drawing the picture to the screen |
| 02:02.30 | JeffM | 400 times a second |
| 02:02.55 | alpha1-2_away | yes i imagine it, true |
| 02:03.13 | JeffM | the 3d math to figure out where a box is on a plane.. SUPER easy |
| 02:03.17 | alpha1-2_away | but the clients do the maths too now |
| 02:03.32 | JeffM | yeah the client does the same math at the same time to make the game look smooth |
| 02:03.45 | JeffM | but you have to do it on the server in case the client is wrong, or they disagree |
| 02:03.51 | JeffM | or someone cheats |
| 02:05.16 | alpha1-2_away | you said 400 times/second 3D graphic draws.... then how much times would you have in network packets for server saying to client WHERE to draw all? |
| 02:05.33 | alpha1-2_away | and many clients at once |
| 02:06.13 | alpha1-2_away | 400 * n (n = client number) in a sec? |
| 02:06.31 | alpha1-2_away | or quantity* |
| 02:06.35 | blast007 | in some games, the client just sends the key presses to the server, and both the client and server run a calculation based on that |
| 02:07.03 | JeffM | usualy the server runs on a fixed frame rate, 20-30 a second |
| 02:07.22 | JeffM | client's interpolate and draw as fast as they can, so 60+ |
| 02:07.55 | alpha1-2_away | wait, you are talking of what kind of games? |
| 02:08.09 | alpha1-2_away | BZ way or other (as you say) way? |
| 02:08.29 | JeffM | other's |
| 02:08.33 | alpha1-2_away | ok |
| 02:08.36 | JeffM | tho BZ does a slow server loop too |
| 02:08.48 | JeffM | it cycles about 30 times a second |
| 02:08.50 | JeffM | that would not change |
| 02:08.57 | JeffM | it would just compute player postions too |
| 02:09.00 | JeffM | and do shot collisions |
| 02:09.46 | alpha1-2_away | frame rate = fps right? |
| 02:09.52 | JeffM | sure |
| 02:10.53 | alpha1-2_away | is it enough 20-30 fps for draw all? |
| 02:11.02 | JeffM | sure |
| 02:11.28 | JeffM | the client draws more frames then the server sends |
| 02:11.33 | JeffM | the server dosn't even send frames |
| 02:11.43 | JeffM | it just does it's computation that fast and the client smoothes it out |
| 02:11.45 | alpha1-2_away | when my machine downs fps from 60 to 40 let's say, it become slow |
| 02:11.53 | alpha1-2_away | becomes* |
| 02:11.56 | alpha1-2_away | a litlle |
| 02:11.59 | JeffM | we are NOT talking about client drawing speed |
| 02:12.01 | alpha1-2_away | little* |
| 02:12.07 | JeffM | computation speed |
| 02:12.15 | JeffM | drawing is seperate |
| 02:12.15 | alpha1-2_away | maths? |
| 02:12.18 | JeffM | yes |
| 02:12.20 | alpha1-2_away | ok |
| 02:12.23 | alpha1-2_away | now yes :) |
| 02:12.26 | JeffM | the client still draws as fast as it can |
| 02:12.26 | blast007 | sometimes referred to as ticks, I believe |
| 02:12.31 | blast007 | or cycles |
| 02:12.43 | JeffM | doobiejobers |
| 02:14.49 | alpha1-2_away | doobiejobers? |
| 02:14.55 | JeffM | aww yeah |
| 02:15.02 | alpha1-2_away | what's that? |
| 02:15.32 | JeffM | a job that doobies |
| 02:16.08 | alpha1-2_away | :S |
| 02:16.14 | alpha1-2_away | (searchinstill) |
| 02:16.29 | JeffM | it's a joke ;) |
| 02:16.35 | alpha1-2_away | you make me it hard , eh! |
| 02:17.08 | alpha1-2_away | well, np, then :) (supposse I am smiling ;) |
| 02:17.10 | JeffM | that and I'm a little boored in this class |
| 02:17.29 | alpha1-2_away | suppose* |
| 02:17.42 | apeman_ | why are you away and talking? :P |
| 02:18.15 | alpha1-2 | (shhh, don't tell to kierra ;) |
| 02:19.24 | alpha1-2 | other question: and this new methode, will decrease the lag issue finally? |
| 02:19.49 | apeman_ | does bzadmin actually work for anyone on windows? (i.e. not start to be unresponsive with the delay between messages growing exponentially for a linear chat) |
| 02:19.51 | JeffM | nothing will decrease lag |
| 02:19.56 | JeffM | lag is physics |
| 02:19.59 | blast007 | alpha1-2: no, it'd probably make it worse for people with high lag |
| 02:20.03 | JeffM | but it should make it have less effect |
| 02:20.05 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:20.18 | JeffM | it can punish the laggy |
| 02:20.31 | blast007 | in many modern games, you have to keep it at or under 80ms for smooth gameplay |
| 02:20.44 | alpha1-2 | <blast007> alpha1-2: no, it'd probably make it worse for people with high lag <--- uh! |
| 02:20.46 | JeffM | we don't have instahit weapons so it may not be that bad |
| 02:21.00 | blast007 | but we do have instakill weapons |
| 02:21.21 | alpha1-2 | is preparing his new passsage to USA... |
| 02:21.25 | blast007 | (and laser is pretty instahit) |
| 02:21.30 | apeman_ | flag idea: grab this flag and get banned from the server |
| 02:21.47 | JeffM | true, forgot about the laser |
| 02:22.07 | blast007 | apeman_: write it as a plugin and add it to your server |
| 02:22.12 | alpha1-2 | in many modern games, you have to keep it at or under 80ms for smooth gameplay <--- AHHHHHH! |
| 02:22.13 | drizzo4shizzo | there is a plugin for something like that |
| 02:22.17 | drizzo4shizzo | kick flag |
| 02:22.28 | drizzo4shizzo | If you have the kick flag you shoot someone and it kicks them :-P |
| 02:22.37 | drizzo4shizzo | at least I think I saw that |
| 02:22.41 | apeman_ | lol |
| 02:22.48 | apeman_ | and make it an autolock GM too |
| 02:23.00 | blast007 | can't, at least yet |
| 02:23.10 | blast007 | hmm, maybe you could.. |
| 02:23.13 | apeman_ | really? |
| 02:23.22 | apeman_ | I thought plugin can do it |
| 02:23.22 | blast007 | your own shot would still fire like a regular bullet though |
| 02:23.39 | apeman_ | Add a GM shot |
| 02:23.42 | drizzo4shizzo | oh I read auto-block |
| 02:23.53 | blast007 | server could fire a different GM, yeah |
| 02:23.56 | JeffM | there is no API to send out a shot update message |
| 02:24.03 | JeffM | but a hacked server can do it |
| 02:24.10 | drizzo4shizzo | there are a bunch of server weapon plugins like ass cannon and uh, the death one |
| 02:24.28 | apeman_ | use bz_fireWorldGM with target |
| 02:24.33 | apeman_ | thats why i say autolock |
| 02:24.33 | drizzo4shizzo | ie they use server weapons to make it look like a client did it |
| 02:24.46 | JeffM | apeman_, have you tested it? |
| 02:24.56 | JeffM | not everything I wrote works ;) |
| 02:25.09 | apeman_ | JeffM: i dont think so but i have a gut feeling |
| 02:25.16 | alpha1-2 | have dinner |
| 02:25.20 | alpha1-2 | has* |
| 02:25.30 | apeman_ | i think maybe even mofo had it where GM hunts people on sprees |
| 02:25.36 | drizzo4shizzo | food = good idea |
| 02:25.40 | JeffM | there is another message that goes with the GM lock and I don't think we send it |
| 02:25.40 | apeman_ | either that or i dreamed of doing that :P |
| 02:26.43 | alpha1-2_away | is still unconvinced of new methode... |
| 02:27.09 | JeffM | alpha1-2_away, it isn't new |
| 02:27.17 | JeffM | it's an old concept that games have been using for years |
| 02:27.19 | kierra | :P alpha1-2_away |
| 02:27.26 | alpha1-2_away | noooooo |
| 02:27.28 | JeffM | quake and half-life started it |
| 02:27.31 | JeffM | even doom did it |
| 02:27.44 | alpha1-2_away | is having dinner, He can't talk with kierra right now, sorry kierra ;) |
| 02:28.03 | alpha1-2_away | auto message |
| 02:28.51 | alpha1-2_away | ok JeffM, I be back later :) |
| 02:28.57 | alpha1-2_away | I'll * |
| 02:29.49 | alpha1-2_away | I said "noooooo" to kierra (clarification) |
| 02:36.56 | JeffM | awww no tank game for class project, have to make an RPG |
| 02:39.09 | DTRemenak | who says you can't have an RPG where you play a tank (or tank commander)? |
| 02:40.22 | JeffM | Evertank? |
| 02:40.37 | JeffM | I have to have an inventory system :) |
| 02:40.59 | DTRemenak | Quest added: Kill 30 enemy tanks. Quest added: Escort the fuel truck. Item picked up: 10 high explosive shells. |
| 02:41.02 | JeffM | +1 Barel of Boomallicious |
| 02:41.28 | DTRemenak | heck yeah. little paper doll tank to equip your items to... |
| 02:41.35 | JeffM | spells? |
| 02:41.56 | DTRemenak | tech powers |
| 02:41.59 | JeffM | heh |
| 02:42.01 | DTRemenak | ECM |
| 02:42.03 | JeffM | repair, etc.. |
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| 02:42.04 | DTRemenak | ECCM |
| 02:42.12 | DTRemenak | Night Vision |
| 02:42.14 | DTRemenak | Radar |
| 02:42.15 | JeffM | ecccm |
| 02:42.51 | JeffM | "Spawn check, is Panzer up?" |
| 02:43.12 | DTRemenak | "summon anti-materiel sniper" |
| 02:43.41 | JeffM | save the general's daughter |
| 02:44.28 | DTRemenak | I'd play it. |
| 02:44.34 | JeffM | heh |
| 02:45.04 | JeffM | this instrucor seems to REALLY like RPGs |
| 02:46.34 | DTRemenak | rpgs are pretty complete as far as games go. most other genres you can easily skimp on certain aspects of game development. |
| 02:46.52 | DTRemenak | I mean, an fps doesn't need any real writing, id proved that. |
| 02:46.59 | DTRemenak | strategy games don't actually need graphics |
| 02:47.10 | JeffM | yeah I think he just wants us to hit all the aspects |
| 02:47.22 | JeffM | should do dwarf fortress |
| 02:48.18 | DTRemenak | already been done. but a tank rpg...I don't think it's been done yet. you could be a groundbreaker! :) |
| 02:48.46 | JeffM | he did just say "be simple, don't do rocket science" and I asked "what if my game has rockets" |
| 02:49.10 | DTRemenak | a good question, I'd say |
| 02:52.28 | JeffM | heh, I'd never thought I'd be in a class where the word "noob" is on a presentation slide |
| 02:55.15 | blast007 | lol |
| 03:16.21 | apeman_ | whats a tank RPG |
| 03:16.29 | apeman_ | pony tanks? |
| 03:29.23 | alpha1-2 | <JeffM> save the general's daughter :) |
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| 16:13.34 | blast | JeffM: https://github.com/blog/1547-release-your-software |
| 16:14.00 | JeffM | oh nice |
| 16:14.26 | JeffM | yeah I still stand by my statement that both bitbucket and gitub will eventualy have identical feature sets |
| 16:14.29 | JeffM | they are just in a race now |
| 16:15.39 | JeffM | so joevano was unable to make respositories, you had to make them? |
| 16:16.06 | blast | yeah |
| 16:16.12 | blast | seems only owners can make repos |
| 16:16.31 | JeffM | ok |
| 16:16.37 | JeffM | that was my guess, I was just curious |
| 16:16.41 | JeffM | I'm ok with that |
| 16:17.00 | JeffM | we should not have to make new repos that often and there are 2 of us |
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| 20:15.40 | teatree | good evening :-) |
| 20:16.03 | kierra | teatree!!!!! |
| 20:16.18 | teatree | kierra !!!!! |
| 20:16.36 | teatree | so tell me how do i get the password for my nickname? :) |
| 20:17.03 | JeffM | here or on the forums? |
| 20:17.29 | kierra | forums |
| 20:17.42 | JeffM | use the "i forgot my password" link |
| 20:17.45 | JeffM | it'll email you |
| 20:17.50 | teatree | and the forum password is the same as the game password? |
| 20:17.54 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:17.56 | teatree | aaaaah |
| 20:17.59 | teatree | forgot that |
| 20:18.03 | teatree | thank you |
| 20:18.08 | kierra | good to see you back, teatree |
| 20:18.09 | JeffM | the forums can mail you a reset |
| 20:18.39 | teatree | well lets see how the comunity is :) |
| 20:19.00 | teatree | is Chestal still around? |
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| 20:33.41 | JeffM | ocasionaly |
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| 21:26.20 | spldart | A heads up to any server operators/admins/cops. There is a player currently under the name Nqsd//fr that is really getting offensive and making players quit because of the abuse. If you share any info about him with other servers operators do it in private though ;) |
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