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| 16:56.00 | TimRiker | there's still a bzflag wiki plugin trying to reach cia@cia.vc and failing. Can Someone™ disable that? |
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| 16:58.03 | TimRiker | it appears I don't have any access to the server anymore, so I can't seem to make the change. |
| 16:58.25 | blast007 | ah, maybe that's why the notification wasn't working anymore :P |
| 16:59.00 | alezakos | There's a $cnTo variable you need to change |
| 16:59.02 | blast007 | TimRiker: should be fixed now |
| 16:59.07 | blast007 | alezakos: yeah |
| 16:59.44 | TimRiker | cia.vc is dead. there are other options though. |
| 17:00.42 | blast007 | TimRiker: I had upgraded the wiki a while back, and I had put in a replacement copy of the extension, not realizing that the old one had the send-to address customized in the extension itself. |
| 17:01.11 | blast007 | we have been using an alternative already |
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| 17:08.10 | JeffM | notify FTW! |
| 17:09.35 | JeffM | I don't think it's hug compatable tho |
| 17:10.42 | blast007 | yeah, I miss that part |
| 17:10.46 | blast007 | kills Notify |
| 17:10.52 | blast007 | see? nothing. :( |
| 17:10.58 | JeffM | ibot, who's your daddy? |
| 17:10.58 | ibot | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! |
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| 18:02.33 | blast007 | heh, looks like c-ares 1.7.2 fixes VS2010 warnings ;) we're on 1.7.1 |
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| 18:09.00 | randomparticle | evening all |
| 18:09.31 | randomparticle | i'm considering automating the whinging process |
| 18:10.01 | JeffM | huh? |
| 18:10.27 | randomparticle | i want to build into my client some code that analyzes other players' play and identifies campers. then it nag them about this |
| 18:10.29 | JeffM | blast007, how serious are we about moving away from it |
| 18:10.39 | JeffM | it's open source, do whatever you want randomparticle |
| 18:10.51 | randomparticle | am thinking what would be a good camping metric |
| 18:11.02 | JeffM | just give us your IP now so some of the servers can preban you |
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| 18:11.26 | blast007 | randomparticle: the placement of a tent and a fire pit nearby? |
| 18:11.47 | JeffM | yellow bottles |
| 18:12.05 | randomparticle | :--) was thinking more along the lines of above ground and having not moved far in the last N seconds |
| 18:12.22 | randomparticle | but some say you camp on the ground |
| 18:12.27 | randomparticle | *can |
| 18:12.34 | blast007 | how about you just shoot the campers? |
| 18:12.37 | JeffM | what if the map has amesh ground? |
| 18:12.46 | JeffM | then EVERYONE is off the ground |
| 18:13.00 | randomparticle | that's a good idea in theory blast. but when i camp they never seem to shoot me. they just say "campuh" etc |
| 18:13.10 | blast007 | then stop camping |
| 18:13.16 | JeffM | or ignore them |
| 18:13.17 | randomparticle | it's too much fun :) |
| 18:13.26 | blast007 | /kill randomparticle |
| 18:14.00 | randomparticle | would be kind of cool if i could numerically rank players from most campy to least |
| 18:14.34 | randomparticle | a lot of the complainers are just jealous of my position on their favourite block ;--) |
| 18:15.24 | randomparticle | the other thing i will probably do first is build bash shell integration into the console |
| 18:16.08 | randomparticle | just need to look up how to establish a two-way communication channel with bash |
| 18:17.57 | blast007 | ... why would you want that? |
| 18:18.22 | JeffM | because he's wierd like that and going to write it all in boo or whitespace or something |
| 18:18.45 | randomparticle | firstly, it enables copy and paste |
| 18:18.58 | randomparticle | and then many other possibilities |
| 18:20.14 | blast007 | 2.99.x had paste functionality |
| 18:20.56 | randomparticle | there are all sorts of things you might like to do |
| 18:21.14 | randomparticle | when i'm matching i would like to be able to type "m" and have that translated into "middle" |
| 18:21.15 | blast007 | yeah, and some of them may even be useful |
| 18:21.43 | blast007 | quick keys |
| 18:22.05 | randomparticle | that only works for a whole message |
| 18:22.44 | randomparticle | what you could do is have "goto m" translated to "goto middle" |
| 18:22.48 | blast007 | add more words to the autocompleter |
| 18:22.53 | randomparticle | but if you typed "wait at m" … etc |
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| 18:23.16 | blast007 | or do what most people do and abbreviate middle to mid |
| 18:23.32 | randomparticle | you can hack individual bits of bz to add these capabilities, but overall it's easier to script this stuff |
| 18:23.41 | blast007 | there doesn't need to be a technological solution to all your problems ;) |
| 18:24.01 | swigg | Heck, just ask Argooon for help. |
| 18:26.16 | randomparticle | you can also fine tune your lag from the bash command line ;--) |
| 18:27.21 | randomparticle | OS X has in-built lag tuning capabilities |
| 18:27.35 | swigg | In general, introducing lag might make some artificial advantages, but it hurts your own gameplay experience. |
| 18:27.49 | randomparticle | true. but helps hide your identity |
| 18:28.05 | swigg | WHat is this? Paranoia? |
| 18:28.21 | swigg | BZ used to be about playing the game |
| 18:28.51 | swigg | and you can fake IP addresses in one direction, not 2 |
| 18:28.53 | randomparticle | no. it's like this. you know who someone is. you look up their playing style in the encyclopedia in your head of bz playing styles. you adjust your own playing style to get a competitive advantage |
| 18:29.16 | swigg | You are entirely overthinking this. |
| 18:29.41 | randomparticle | you may say that. but then, you may get shot too often :--) |
| 18:30.01 | randomparticle | all the expert players overthink it. it's how they get their advantage |
| 18:30.08 | swigg | Want to improve your gameplay? I can do it for only $5 |
| 18:30.28 | swigg | go to eBay, buy an USB playstation type controlller and map it to BZ |
| 18:30.49 | randomparticle | i tried an xbox controller. didn't really get on with it. might suit some though |
| 18:31.08 | swigg | nah; the xbox one is no good. |
| 18:31.25 | swigg | the Playatation type is mych better |
| 18:31.30 | randomparticle | ok |
| 18:31.50 | swigg | you can easily and intuitively select between analog and cross pad |
| 18:31.58 | randomparticle | not that serious about the lag thing, btw |
| 18:32.20 | randomparticle | but it is interesting that in OS X you can specificy in milliseconds your lag time and also specify packet loss etc |
| 18:32.24 | swigg | also: Get the one with the round thumb pad, not the one with the + shaped one |
| 18:32.29 | blast007 | randomparticle: sure, sure.. now you're just trying to throw us off your secret laggy identity ;) |
| 18:32.47 | randomparticle | i'll blend in amongst the australians :) |
| 18:32.57 | swigg | randomparticle: I already have satellite pics of your house |
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| 18:33.11 | swigg | Your car is parked wrong in the street |
| 18:33.16 | randomparticle | didn't know you had a ground penetrating radar ;) |
| 18:33.26 | swigg | BZ has everything |
| 18:33.51 | blast007 | camera has OO |
| 18:36.18 | swigg | randomparticle: This one would work well for you: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-USB2-0-Double-Dual-Shock-Vibration-Game-Controller-Joystick-Joypad-Gamepad-/121120922970?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item1c335e9d5a |
| 18:36.30 | swigg | or something sililar |
| 18:36.33 | swigg | *similar |
| 18:36.56 | randomparticle | or this? |
| 18:36.57 | randomparticle | http://reachingutopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ps4-controller.jpg |
| 18:37.33 | swigg | or this one: $5 shipped: http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-Gamepad-Controller-for-PC-Gaming-USA-Seller-Best-For-Emulator-/121108723403?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item1c32a476cb |
| 18:38.10 | randomparticle | looks a bit home-made that one |
| 18:38.22 | swigg | that one you sent would be great if you were the creature from 'Predator' |
| 18:39.01 | swigg | it may not look very good, but I used one like that for two years. Cheap, durable and disposable |
| 18:39.40 | randomparticle | is there anything wrong with the official one? |
| 18:40.07 | swigg | Only that the thumb pad is + shaped and the round thumb pad works better |
| 18:40.15 | randomparticle | ah, ok |
| 18:40.56 | randomparticle | i tried the magic trackpad in the past. that was hopeless |
| 18:40.58 | swigg | remember 'Street fighter II' on Super Nintendo? |
| 18:41.19 | randomparticle | i've never owned a games console |
| 18:41.32 | swigg | mmm k |
| 18:42.35 | randomparticle | not sure i want to play games on my plasma screen. the dreaded IR etc. |
| 18:42.50 | swigg | LCD FTW |
| 18:43.12 | ruskie | heh |
| 18:43.34 | randomparticle | LCD would be better for games, worse for films |
| 18:43.50 | randomparticle | nothing perfect alas |
| 18:43.58 | swigg | I dunno: Vizioo stopped making plasma for a reason |
| 18:44.06 | randomparticle | LCD contrast ratios suck |
| 18:44.21 | ruskie | as I don't watch movies I guess it doesn't matter |
| 18:44.28 | ruskie | I play games instead hehe |
| 18:44.29 | randomparticle | yeah. horses for courses |
| 18:45.11 | randomparticle | i suppose i could hook up a games console to my computer monitor (LCD) |
| 18:45.19 | ruskie | that's what I do |
| 18:45.26 | ruskie | 24" screen |
| 18:45.31 | randomparticle | not sure what to do about sound though |
| 18:45.37 | swigg | Plasma weighs about 3 tons per screen and really isn't much better, if at all these days |
| 18:45.59 | ruskie | randomparticle, well atleast the PS3 has hdmi+analog out option |
| 18:46.05 | ruskie | and I assume others do as well |
| 18:46.35 | randomparticle | videophiles generally choose plasma. LCD in a dark room environment has greyish washed out blacks |
| 18:46.41 | swigg | For sound, get a sound bar with bluetooth sub or get a second hand Boston Accoustics speaker system ~$30 used |
| 18:47.10 | randomparticle | best current LCDs go down to about 0.045 nits. plasma about 0.003 nits |
| 18:47.12 | swigg | Well, avoid watcjing Tim Burton movies and you will be ok |
| 18:47.24 | ruskie | still hasn't found a sound system that would fit his use case |
| 18:47.25 | randomparticle | that is, the blacks on a plasma are more than 10 times darker than on an LCD |
| 18:47.36 | randomparticle | decent plasma, that is |
| 18:48.31 | swigg | Looking at the screens in normal room lighting, the plasmas look grey to me in the black areas |
| 18:48.38 | randomparticle | also, LCD displays have poor uniformity |
| 18:49.15 | randomparticle | LCD display in the dark: http://files.tested.com/uploads/0/1761/8264-s8300430tc4.jpg |
| 18:49.22 | randomparticle | that's not atypical |
| 18:50.04 | ruskie | generally only has IPS LCDs so I doubt I'd be a good matchup |
| 18:52.04 | swigg | If it's not Vizio, I won't buy it |
| 18:52.48 | swigg | I got a 42" 1080p for only $280 used |
| 18:53.30 | ruskie | probably in the area of what I paid for my 24" monitor 16:10 |
| 18:54.13 | randomparticle | this is the best consumer TV that money can buy: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-txp60zt65b-201305062961.htm |
| 18:54.43 | swigg | Yeah, Panasonic seems to have the best consumer electronics in general |
| 18:55.31 | ruskie | they have great fridges and washing machines as well |
| 18:55.42 | randomparticle | not so much fun to watch those, though :) |
| 18:55.44 | swigg | Bosch FTW |
| 18:55.48 | randomparticle | miele |
| 18:55.48 | ruskie | HAHAHA |
| 18:55.59 | ruskie | yeah |
| 18:56.04 | ruskie | miele is good |
| 18:56.28 | ruskie | but so far have nothing bad to say about the panasonic washing machine or the panasonic fridge/freezer combo |
| 18:56.41 | randomparticle | these two guys came around to deliver my miele washing machine |
| 18:56.57 | randomparticle | i lived in a flat at the time and they got on the lift with the thing |
| 18:56.58 | ruskie | our dishwasher is miele and hmm probably almost 20 years old |
| 18:57.07 | randomparticle | and you could see the lift drop about 6 inches |
| 18:57.28 | randomparticle | that thing was of a super-solid construction |
| 18:57.30 | ruskie | had a few probs but once the repair guy showed us a few tricks has been running like clockwork |
| 18:58.01 | randomparticle | their build quality is (or at least used to be) fantastic |
| 18:58.08 | ruskie | I'd say it still is |
| 18:58.37 | ruskie | I doubt they're so stupid to abandon it |
| 18:59.09 | randomparticle | a typical consumer washing machine has a piece of concrete in it as ballast |
| 18:59.21 | randomparticle | miele used a huge chunk of cast iron |
| 18:59.31 | randomparticle | less prone to crumbling :) |
| 19:00.28 | ruskie | no clue had a 30 years old candy before |
| 19:03.36 | randomparticle | concrete in a washing machine: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-exMiZxMb0rM/TdjgqXu_wFI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/CK9SG9QKYkM/s1600/Aqualtis+4.jpg |
| 19:04.15 | ruskie | I don't recall anything like that in the old one but then I only saw it's insides once or twice |
| 19:04.31 | ruskie | the new one I haven't bothered yet opening since well it just works |
| 19:04.34 | randomparticle | maybe they're different where you are |
| 19:04.43 | ruskie | doubt it |
| 19:04.45 | randomparticle | or maybe gravity is different? |
| 19:04.46 | ruskie | this is slovenia |
| 19:04.57 | ruskie | we tend to get crap directed at eastern europe |
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| 19:05.04 | ruskie | hardware you generally can't even find any info online |
| 19:05.09 | randomparticle | hehe |
| 19:05.42 | randomparticle | well, our country has a two word name |
| 19:05.59 | randomparticle | the second part is "britain". the first part is "rip-off" |
| 19:06.10 | ruskie | hehe |
| 19:06.31 | ruskie | except that I order a lot of stuff of off game.co.uk and get it 15-20eur cheaper with shipping compared to buying localy |
| 19:07.05 | ruskie | and a lot of other stuff can get cheaper with shipping from there as well |
| 19:07.35 | randomparticle | i noticed on amazon.fr the prices were higher |
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| 19:07.49 | ruskie | yeah same here |
| 19:08.06 | ruskie | I often do find good deals on german sites though |
| 19:08.18 | ruskie | free shipping with lower prices |
| 19:08.41 | ruskie | around here anything in a store will be most likely quite a few % higher than anywhere else in europe |
| 19:08.47 | ruskie | and distributors are really lazy |
| 19:09.00 | randomparticle | what VAT level do you have? |
| 19:09.10 | ruskie | 20 but it's going to 22% on the 1st of july |
| 19:09.14 | randomparticle | ouch |
| 19:09.27 | randomparticle | ours is 20. used to be 17.5 |
| 19:09.32 | ruskie | was trying to get something at one point... contact the distributor say look I want to give you this money here... can you get me this... distributor: no no interest in the product |
| 19:09.48 | ruskie | I mean wtf I'm offering you money for you to get it for me |
| 19:10.04 | ruskie | so I'm not really surprised why the ecenomy is where it is |
| 19:10.08 | randomparticle | you couldn't pay them to take your money ;--) |
| 19:10.28 | ruskie | they have this idea that they are still exclusive importers and that there is nothing else |
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| 19:10.36 | randomparticle | dodos |
| 19:10.58 | ruskie | the prob is that at the same time they are crying grey market, grey ecenomy, grey imports etc... |
| 19:10.59 | randomparticle | the internet is making everything more competitive. if you can get it online, that is |
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| 19:11.49 | ruskie | and I don't really have a problem walking into a store and paying for a thing... if they can deliver it at a reasonable price |
| 19:11.57 | ruskie | but with a few exceptions that just isn't possible |
| 19:12.23 | ruskie | I think I've bought 3 or 4 PS3 games localy everything else I bought from game |
| 19:12.33 | ruskie | and I have around 20 games or so |
| 19:13.00 | ruskie | those that I did buy localy either I couldn't get anywhere else or they were the same or less |
| 19:13.38 | randomparticle | a lot of our local retailers are going out of business |
| 19:13.54 | ruskie | sure it takes 5-10 days for me to get a game from the UK... after launch but still |
| 19:14.06 | randomparticle | there's no shop in our smallsih town that sells blu-rays anymore |
| 19:14.14 | ruskie | we don't have that many here anyway |
| 19:14.18 | ruskie | so for now they still exist |
| 19:15.02 | ruskie | we have harvey norman, a local consumer electronics specialist and an offshot of our biggest grocery market |
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| 19:15.24 | randomparticle | harvey norman doesn't sound very slovenian :-) |
| 19:15.34 | ruskie | I didn't say they are hehe |
| 19:15.42 | ruskie | but they are one of the better ones I'm surprised |
| 19:15.51 | ruskie | their staff actually has a clue what they're selling |
| 19:16.11 | ruskie | which I know to australians tend to be a shocker |
| 19:16.32 | ruskie | and they seem to be better at most prices |
| 19:16.44 | ruskie | and I think that's mainly because they seem to bypass the local distributors |
| 19:16.54 | ruskie | and go to regional |
| 19:16.56 | ruskie | or something |
| 19:17.20 | randomparticle | are you australian now? |
| 19:17.44 | randomparticle | or has slovenia moved to australia? confused |
| 19:17.45 | ruskie | no |
| 19:17.48 | ruskie | and no |
| 19:17.55 | ruskie | harvey norman is an australian retailer |
| 19:18.09 | ruskie | and noturously bad there |
| 19:20.07 | ruskie | I've got a few australians on my various contact lists |
| 19:21.01 | ruskie | and they apparently have the same rip-off prepended as you lot ;) |
| 19:21.06 | randomparticle | hehe |
| 19:22.10 | randomparticle | australia is full of dangerous animals. am surprised anyone is left alive there |
| 19:22.34 | randomparticle | funnel web spiders, snakes, crocodiles, sharks |
| 19:22.37 | randomparticle | is a nightmare |
| 19:24.31 | ruskie | hehe |
| 19:24.47 | ruskie | I always like pratchett's description of it via fourecks |
| 19:24.53 | randomparticle | possibily in bad taste, but kangaroos boxing people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TRNXfdPGzc |
| 19:25.18 | ruskie | the only animals that might not be poisonus are the sheep... well some sheep |
| 19:25.55 | randomparticle | yeah, the non-venomous sheep are normally safe |
| 19:28.58 | randomparticle | love it when that kangaroo has him in a headlock :--) |
| 19:41.02 | swigg | Kangaroos are deadly |
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