IRC log for #bzflag on 20130524

00:03.48JeffMBSP collisions and geometry are usualy used to keep people outside the items, they don't do well at defnining an inside where you'd still see the ground
00:04.04JeffMso it'd just be harder to do the OO effects in that type of world
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00:33.06blast007JeffM: and I suppose that would be further complicated if we ever added an object property that made an obstacle impassble to OO and zoned PZ
00:33.46JeffMnot really, once you solve OO you have to do it for some people and not others
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18:43.05short_circuitWhat version are the bulk of the players on right now?
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19:20.21swigg2.4.2?
19:20.40swiggPersonally, I use 2.4.0
19:20.53swiggand have no intention of upgrading
19:27.40blast007releases 2.6.0 quick
19:28.33blast007spldart: most are using 2.4.x
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20:15.40BulletCatcherswigg: Why do you prefer 2.4.0 over 2.4.2?
20:16.38blast007he roots for the underdog
20:25.39JeffMmaybe he runs a mac
20:26.24blast007PPC for life
20:38.24JeffMthere may just not be enough changes
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21:03.59swiggNo; The answer is a bit underhanded; I like the bugs in 2.4.0 like GM staying locked after you kill your opponant and the crosshairs staying on the person after they grab ST
21:04.38swiggIn 2.4.2 when you kill someone you have to re lock GM on them
21:06.45JeffMwere you one of the 2.0.x holdouts as well?
21:23.34BulletCatcherHmm.  We'll have to add something extra awesome to 2.4.4 to make it irresistable.
21:24.50BulletCatcherFull-screen radar, maybe?
21:24.54BulletCatcherruns and hides
21:27.21JeffMproto break will do it :)
21:27.56BulletCatcherYeah, but we don't even have a compelling reason to do that yet.
21:28.06JeffMtrue
21:28.14swiggIntegrate "smell-o-vision"
21:28.23JeffMand "to make swigg upgrade" is probalby not a good reason
21:28.37Delusionalkya
21:28.39BulletCatcherIt's a good reason, but not a sufficient reason. :-p
21:28.41swiggthat would drive most players off
21:28.43Delusionalerr, lua
21:28.50swiggMake a snake12534 edition
21:34.48unclelightningwhat would the snake version include :p
21:43.16blast007Delusional: no, lua is for later
21:43.43JeffMunclelightning, automatic filtering of the word LOL
21:43.51blast007I stand by my assement that the next breaking release (if we do one) should be focused on enhancements that allow us to make the game easier to learn
21:44.00JeffMyup
21:44.09JeffMand/or cow launchers
21:44.15blast007heh
21:44.18JeffMbut that's a given
21:44.33blast007karma
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21:44.45JeffMit solves all things
21:45.04Delusionalinstead of a tiny little arrow showing postion of your team's flag,  giamt arrows showing the postition of every team flag.
21:45.25JeffMmakes it too easy :)
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21:45.31JeffMbut that would be a viable option
21:45.50JeffMmore then that the game needs consitency cleanups and hints/tooltips
21:45.54Delusionali've been asking for that for five years.
21:46.35JeffMwrite it up :)
21:46.40JeffMoh sorry, patches welcome
21:54.37blast007tutorial, modal dialogs, unobtrusive popups
21:55.05blast007ability to use the mouse to click on menus and such
21:58.45blast007http://wiki.bzflag.org/DevelopmentPlans/2.6.0
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22:10.37blast007Snake12534: what do you think the next major version of BZFlag should contain?
22:10.59blast007I think it should be this stuff:  http://wiki.bzflag.org/DevelopmentPlans/2.6.0
22:11.21Snake12534More people.
22:11.33Snake12534More advertisements so people can see BZFlag.
22:11.51blast007that's not what I asked
22:11.54Snake12534And there should be like sorta like World of Tanks
22:12.01Snake12534Multiple Tank Choices
22:12.42blast007so more tanks choices... what else?
22:12.50Snake12534Better physics.
22:12.51blast007what would really make new players want to stay?
22:13.02Snake12534" on " by my friend who quite bzflag last week because of that
22:13.05blast007what's the biggest issue with the game as it is right now?
22:13.06Snake12534he is new
22:13.10Snake12534quit after a week*
22:13.12Snake12534physics
22:13.23blast007how so?  what is wrong with the physics currently?
22:14.05Snake12534Gravity
22:14.13Snake12534The fact that 90% of the tank will not drop
22:14.16Snake12534even on the edge
22:14.23Snake12534But PERSONALLY idrc about that
22:14.38Snake12534my friend is a PC gamer who likes good physics
22:14.45Snake12534But If they change the physics, bzflag would go nuts
22:14.47blast007Okay, what's the second biggest issue?
22:14.53Snake12534Uhm
22:15.12Snake12534I think it's the fact that they aren't enough devlopers that could do the updates
22:15.24Snake12534We need a better league system
22:15.33Snake12534We need GU League to get more popular
22:15.44Snake12534New players will be interested in competitive play.
22:15.46blast007what about the fact that the game itself is rather unhelpful for new players?
22:16.16blast007do you see the lack of a good teaching mode as a big issue?
22:17.20Snake12534uhm
22:17.22Snake12534Sure
22:17.27Snake12534RO tried to fixed this.
22:17.32blast007RO?
22:17.37Snake12534New players are being DESTROYED at mofo
22:17.47Snake12534and there's profanity yelling at them "NOOB GET OUT NOOB"
22:18.00Snake12534RO - Reptiles Orzg. We make maps for GU New players
22:18.33Snake12534We need a easy, calm #1 server on server list
22:18.36Snake12534that is good for new players
22:18.42Snake12534MOFO is taking over the fun for them
22:19.16blast007my vision is having a proper tutorial mode
22:19.33blast007not dependent on some third party server being at the top of the list
22:19.38Snake12534Yes, of course.
22:19.43Snake12534That's good too.
22:19.48Snake12534Sorry, I gotta go do a match on GU.
22:19.51Snake12534BBL
22:19.53blast007bia
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22:22.41JeffMwhat the hell?
22:24.50JeffMso his website solves all problems?
22:29.34blast007I downloaded a cure for world hunger!
22:29.49blast007though oddly I have these weird popups on my computer now...
22:33.51allejowut...
22:33.53JeffMand a bongo buddy?
22:50.15Snake12534wut?
22:50.32JeffMexactly
22:59.24Snake12534ok cu guys
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23:11.09allejoI want a bongo buddy
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23:13.15swigg_Allejo: Don't you have like 10 or 12 of those wearing short skirts?
23:14.50allejolol
23:25.15JeffMI wonder if bongo buddy even runs these days
23:25.25blast007bonzi buddy*
23:25.31JeffMahh sorry
23:25.54JeffMI knew it was something stupid... buddy
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23:39.42swigg_Bonzai? Little trees?
23:40.16blast007swigg_: in case you really don't know...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BonziBUDDY
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23:47.06swigg_I think I'll just stick to the trees....

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