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16:52.04blast007JeffM: success!  I figured out how to set the time in Windows 8.
16:53.20JeffMdosn't it happen automaticly?
16:54.03allejolol
16:54.15blast007it was on the wrong time zone, so I changed that, and then it was 2 hours off
16:55.45JeffMit can resync to net time just like 7 can IIRC
16:56.17blast007yeah, but that would happen at some point in the future.. I wanted it fixed *now* :P
16:56.29JeffMthere is a button that can resync it
16:56.46blast007but not in the metro UI
16:56.54JeffMprobalby not
16:57.01JeffMI never go into metro
16:57.05JeffMStart8 FTW
16:57.13blast007which is where I was looking, cuz you'd think that if you can change the time zone and enable/disable DST in metro that you'd be able to set the time there as well
16:57.30blast007and microsoft's site even tells you that you can, but you can't.
16:58.04blast007ah, wait, I guess they're not wrong
16:58.20blast007when they say "enter Date", they may type Date
16:58.39blast007which is completely intuitive to type on a screen without clicking in a box first
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18:44.16blast007WARMACHINEROX: I don't understand how you can use Windows 8 on a regular basis..
18:44.26blast007it'd take more than Start8 to make it functional
19:25.58WARMACHINEROXmaybe our uses of the OS are different
19:26.37JeffMI do a small amount of file management and use a nubmer of apps
19:27.50blast007JeffM: I can't escape from the metro crap.
19:28.16JeffModd, I can't think of the last time I saw metro
19:28.25JeffMexcept for when I picked the wrong application to open a picture in
19:30.32blast007hit the network icon by the clock and you get a metro-ish full height popup
19:31.13JeffMahh, see I never do that
19:31.37blast007and I go in there all the time
19:32.02JeffMI know our IT guy here is using 8 with out issue but I don't know his workflow
19:32.16blast007the *only* reason i was even trying it was because of Windows Server 2012
19:32.39JeffMhe says he loves 2012
19:32.47blast007yeah, I probably would
19:32.56blast007but you have to use Windows 8 to manage it ;)
19:33.16blast007and 8 just makes me angry
19:33.18JeffMI can ask him specific questions if you want
19:34.02blast007I'll probably just have to keep a VM of 8 for when I need to run management stuff
19:34.12blast007can't stand it for any longer than a few minutes at a time
19:34.34blast007I could probably do RemoteApp stuff, even..hmm..
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21:03.26Snake12534Greetings. This is my new IP :)
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22:48.36drizzo4shizzoin windows 8 do you still have to babysit upgrades
23:02.06JeffMI haven't watched a system do updates since XP
23:03.15drizzo4shizzodo you run consumer versions like vista and 7, or am I missing something
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23:03.45JeffMI have used vista, 7, and 8
23:03.50drizzo4shizzoits usually several reboots, some dialog boxes, etc.  Nothing I could do remotely...
23:03.55JeffMnaw
23:04.08JeffMbackground updates are quite easy
23:04.11blast007install updates, reboot, done.
23:04.20JeffMall our work systems automaticly do it every weekend
23:04.27JeffMdomain pollicies have it all setup
23:04.33JeffMthey reboot as needed over the weekend
23:04.48JeffMIT rarely has to do anythign at the machine
23:04.57JeffMunless something is busted
23:05.04drizzo4shizzoah so thats nice to hear. but as a single user with a workstation, yeah I have to babysit
23:05.16JeffMat home it happens every thrusday
23:05.46JeffMno dialogs or user interaction
23:05.56JeffMautomatic updates have been pretty good for a while now
23:06.21drizzo4shizzohmm, I guess some of the dialogs may be Norton.  I just kinda lump them all together, my bad
23:06.32JeffMnorton is the worst thing ever to install on a system
23:06.44JeffMnext to eclipse
23:06.47drizzo4shizzoI get it for free, but what should I use instead MSE?
23:06.59JeffMMSE is decent, I use malwarebytes
23:07.00blast007Avast is rather nice
23:07.06JeffMyeah avast is good too
23:07.12blast007Avast! even checks other software updates now
23:07.20drizzo4shizzoI'm a fan of pirate speak
23:07.22blast007flash, java, browsers, etc
23:07.36drizzo4shizzooh thats kind of nice. I hate the adobe / java nag popups
23:07.43JeffMeveryone should have at LEAST mse
23:08.01drizzo4shizzoOne thing Norton has that I like is the "file insight" shortcut
23:08.15blast007I use Norton at work
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23:08.26drizzo4shizzoit just looks at a hash of the contents and tells you roughly how many people have downloaded it with Norton, and if they think it's probably OK, how new the file is, etc
23:08.30blast007the enterprise stuff though, Norton Endpoint Security
23:08.32JeffMwe run eset
23:08.51drizzo4shizzois that another tool?
23:09.04blast007centralized management and reporting, and it does anti-virus, firewall, and application control
23:09.06JeffManother AV vendor
23:09.22blast007helpful in blocking the proxy tools the kids like to use ;)
23:09.39drizzo4shizzoI feel like MSE should come with windows
23:09.50JeffMyeah that kind of stuff is probably more important to you then me
23:09.53drizzo4shizzooh - is it free?
23:10.02blast007Avast! has a free version, yes
23:10.11drizzo4shizzohmm nice
23:10.13JeffMdrizzo4shizzo, yeah, there are comeptitive agreement issues with including it
23:10.16blast007as does MSE and AVG
23:10.38drizzo4shizzolike IE? thats kind of odd tho, so different
23:10.39JeffM8 comes with some basic AV stuff
23:10.49blast007Microsoft does offer it in Windows Updates if you don't have another one installed
23:11.06blast007at least in 7
23:11.12drizzo4shizzoI like that it's free at least
23:11.13JeffMyeah they make it an option, but not default so they don't get all the crap they did with IE
23:12.29drizzo4shizzoso I should uninstall Norton, and install MSE or avast
23:12.52drizzo4shizzoI'll do more research but thx
23:13.04blast007"Electronic Arts announced today it has landed an exclusive multi-year agreement to develop and publish games based on Lucasfilms' Star Wars universe."  Guess I won't ever be buying any of those.  Seems Disney was looking for the worst company ever to make their crap.
23:13.09JeffMit's your system, do what works for you.
23:13.57drizzo4shizzoI saw on /r/linux_games that some of the star wars games are available on Linux now
23:14.42drizzo4shizzoI wonder if this will threaten that sort of momentum
23:21.39JeffMmany of the jedi knight ones were ported since they were baed on quake engines
23:22.50blast007it's all about the cogs
23:23.03blast007gets out his god saber
23:23.08drizzo4shizzoSo I have this ridiculous fantasy that Gabe will release HL3 for linux... exclusive :-D
23:24.12JeffMwhy would he throw away money?
23:24.22JeffMthey are all about milking the dollar cow
23:24.33drizzo4shizzoyeah I know.  He was upset about the windows built in store competing with Steam, but it will never happen
23:25.15JeffMthey'll be fine
23:26.09JeffMas long as it has hats
23:26.21drizzo4shizzohehe
23:26.48JeffMit's where the money is at
23:29.32JeffMI need to figure out how to give starships hats
23:30.51drizzo4shizzoyou're creating in-game resources for TF2?
23:31.18JeffMno
23:31.38drizzo4shizzoI guess my TF2 hats collection is pretty thin
23:31.50JeffMevery game needs hats
23:31.56drizzo4shizzoyes bzflag needs hats
23:32.21drizzo4shizzomaybe for 6.3
23:32.47JeffMsure just get rid of community run servers
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23:34.00drizzo4shizzoLast week I switched my terminal font to TF2 "build" font.  Do not recommend.
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23:38.11JeffMponders how torpedoes work
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23:40.51joevanoJeffM: with batteries or special fuels with their own oxidizer in the fuel (because there is no air underwater)
23:41.46JeffMjoevano, space torpedoes
23:41.57joevanoah
23:42.09JeffMbut thank you I did not know about the oxidizer thing
23:42.28joevanonot familiar with those, but I am a warship nut
23:42.38blast007in space, noone can hear you explode
23:42.43JeffMtrying to decide what power to the torpedo systems mean
23:42.58JeffMfaster reloads, more 'charge' in each torpedo
23:43.25JeffMfor beam weapons I think I know, the power to the system builds up in a buffer to be used by each shot
23:43.31joevanospace torpedos would depend on piercing the hull, which is not what water torpedoes do
23:43.58JeffMfigure these would probably work like water ones
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23:44.12JeffMif you like warships you'd pobably like this project
23:44.27JeffM6 networked machines acting as crew stations on a starship
23:44.34joevanowater ones explode near the ship to create a void in the water so that the ship tears itself apart
23:44.36JeffMwith one showing the main screen on a projector
23:44.50JeffMok so it's stress
23:44.53joevanothat doesn't work in space
23:44.57joevanoyep
23:45.02JeffMmaybe these make a gravity void :)
23:45.10joevanothere you go
23:45.20JeffMI do want it to be proximity on detonation
23:45.43JeffMand there are shields
23:46.01JeffMright now i'm working out how the power available to the ship is spread over all the systems
23:46.19JeffMthe engineer allocates the power to them all, and manges the heat they generate
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