| 00:24.22 | I_Died_Once | for the next version of BZFlag, you guys should make it where players can have more spaces to enter and use longer callsigns |
| 00:26.13 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: actually we already decided to limit names to 5 characters. sorry. you should have attended the monthly meetings. |
| 00:31.36 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, 128 isn't long enough? |
| 00:32.53 | blast007 | he couldn't fully represent Pi |
| 00:33.10 | blast007 | however, I think the server actually limits it to less than that |
| 00:33.48 | blast007 | or actually, seems the client does |
| 00:34.16 | blast007 | 31 characters in the join screen |
| 00:34.38 | JeffM | ahhh |
| 00:34.46 | JeffM | we have 128 storage I think |
| 00:34.52 | JeffM | or am I thinking of moto? |
| 00:35.15 | blast007 | const int CallSignLen = 32; // including terminating NUL |
| 00:35.25 | blast007 | motto and message length are 128 |
| 00:35.56 | JeffM | yeah motto then |
| 00:35.59 | JeffM | my bad |
| 00:36.11 | JeffM | still 32 is pretty long, it's a name not a novel |
| 00:36.15 | JeffM | what kinds of names don't fit? |
| 00:45.32 | ashvala | Tried the builds with and without the "SDL_GL_SetAttribute(SDL_GL_SWAP_CONTROL, 0);" line. With the line commented out, the frame rate is capped to 60 through out. On appearance of a tank, the frame rates tend to drop to around 40 with a single tank appearing on the scene. The appearance of 3 tanks pushes the frame rates down to 25-30 frames/second. However, with the line being left uncommented, the game gave me more reasonable frame rates. No tanks |
| 00:45.33 | ashvala | the scene gives me around 140-150 fps. On the appearance of a tank, the fps drops to around 71. With 3 tanks, down to around 40-50. All the tests were done with quality set to high and had energy saver turned off. |
| 00:48.44 | alpha1-2 | wow are you working around the "hard jump" issue :)? |
| 00:50.29 | JeffM | ashvala, thats with smothing off right? |
| 00:50.37 | ashvala | nope. On. |
| 00:50.43 | JeffM | try it with it off |
| 00:50.46 | ashvala | on it |
| 00:52.00 | alpha1-2 | ashvala: in what issue are you working? |
| 00:52.20 | JeffM | he's trying to find out why newer macbooks with intel graphics have framerate problems |
| 00:52.50 | alpha1-2 | uh interesting |
| 00:52.51 | JeffM | I have no problem playing with the HD3000 chipset, but the HD4000 seems to not do so well |
| 00:53.09 | alpha1-2 | I have Intel graphic too |
| 00:53.17 | JeffM | on a macbook? |
| 00:53.22 | JeffM | or mac mini? |
| 00:54.07 | alpha1-2 | and something (relatively) similar it happened, maybe, when I tryed the "hard jump" |
| 00:54.17 | JeffM | are you on a mac? |
| 00:54.21 | alpha1-2 | no, notebook |
| 00:54.27 | JeffM | what OS? |
| 00:54.33 | alpha1-2 | opensuse |
| 00:54.36 | alpha1-2 | 11.4 |
| 00:54.44 | JeffM | does your frame rate drop? |
| 00:54.51 | JeffM | and what frame rate do you normaly get? |
| 00:55.21 | JeffM | and what intel chipset is it? |
| 00:55.40 | alpha1-2 | not too dramatic like ashvala says |
| 00:55.49 | alpha1-2 | I think |
| 00:56.12 | blast007 | alpha1-2: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 00:56.19 | alpha1-2 | th other day i didn't find the Intel chipset version |
| 00:56.34 | alpha1-2 | let me see |
| 00:56.36 | JeffM | I'd like to know specific numbers please |
| 00:57.16 | blast007 | JeffM: let me throw some numbers at you: 5, 26, 812! |
| 00:57.49 | alpha1-2 | this one. 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 18) |
| 00:58.11 | JeffM | what make/model notebook? |
| 00:59.03 | ashvala | okay, tried the uncommented version without smoothing… 150-ish without other tanks on hud. 22 is about as low as it got on the 6v6 happening on brad's GU server. |
| 00:59.16 | JeffM | still that's a huge drop |
| 00:59.36 | JeffM | what texture mode are you set to? Linear MipMap Linear? |
| 00:59.48 | blast007 | JeffM: I've got an HD 2500 at work, and an HD 4000 on the computer I built for my mom - both running Windows 7, though. |
| 00:59.51 | ashvala | Yes, I am. |
| 01:00.08 | JeffM | hmm it should be doing fine then |
| 01:00.20 | JeffM | blast007, yeah I have heard the 4k runs fine on windows |
| 01:00.21 | alpha1-2 | this is some national model I think (but with imported components): NTBK EXO RT SPECIAL / 8706 |
| 01:00.27 | JeffM | ashvala, you arn't setup for bootcamp are you? |
| 01:00.36 | blast007 | I could boot to a linux live DVD of course |
| 01:00.39 | ashvala | I have linux running on my bootcamp partition, tho. |
| 01:00.46 | alpha1-2 | (I'm argentinian) |
| 01:00.49 | JeffM | ashvala, can you try there? |
| 01:00.55 | JeffM | alpha1-2, none of those model numbers make sense |
| 01:01.08 | JeffM | what CPU is in it? |
| 01:01.27 | alpha1-2 | ok, let me read all these lines on chat :P |
| 01:01.34 | alpha1-2 | in* |
| 01:01.35 | blast007 | alpha1-2: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name' |
| 01:01.37 | alpha1-2 | sorry |
| 01:01.59 | alpha1-2 | this is better :) |
| 01:02.11 | ashvala | JeffM, the graphics automatically sets itself to NVidia… I'll work around that at work today and let you know. |
| 01:02.43 | alpha1-2 | CPUS: |
| 01:02.45 | alpha1-2 | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU P6200 @ 2.13GHz |
| 01:06.43 | blast007 | JeffM: looks like that's got the first gen of the Intel HD graphics |
| 01:07.15 | alpha1-2 | yes, I think that Intel 3D graphic system is in early version yet |
| 01:07.50 | alpha1-2 | wait, at least for linux systems :P |
| 01:08.03 | blast007 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units#Fifth_generation |
| 01:08.21 | JeffM | then check out your FPS, what speeds are you getting and do the drop low when you see the problem? |
| 01:08.33 | alpha1-2 | I had much 3D problems with Intel graphics all these years, but not with Nvidia graphics |
| 01:08.44 | JeffM | yeah intel hasn't been that great |
| 01:09.02 | alpha1-2 | Nvidia works nice (but with owner drivers) |
| 01:09.10 | JeffM | the newer ones are better but they all pale next to descrete graphics |
| 01:09.18 | JeffM | nvidia always works, that's why you buy them |
| 01:09.34 | JeffM | and wow that's an old pentium D isn't it? |
| 01:09.55 | blast007 | no, it's a Nehalem based Pentium |
| 01:11.02 | JeffM | ok one before sandy then |
| 01:11.48 | JeffM | tho I have no idea how good the open source drivers are for those things |
| 01:11.48 | blast007 | first gen core processors, yeah |
| 01:12.04 | blast007 | uses the i915 driver. |
| 01:12.10 | alpha1-2 | me? |
| 01:12.11 | JeffM | ewwww |
| 01:12.21 | JeffM | may god have mercy on your soul |
| 01:12.44 | alpha1-2 | you are fast, guys, eh :)! |
| 01:13.09 | JeffM | we have dealt with bad intel graphics chipsets for a VERY long time |
| 01:13.15 | alpha1-2 | you say that I am using i915 driver blast007 ? |
| 01:13.34 | blast007 | alpha1-2: that's at least what a debian HCL site shows |
| 01:14.19 | alpha1-2 | what do you man JeffM with "one before sandy then"? |
| 01:14.20 | blast007 | doesn't necessarily reflect what opensuse is using, of course |
| 01:14.24 | alpha1-2 | mean* |
| 01:14.33 | blast007 | alpha1-2: one processor generation before Sandy Bridge |
| 01:14.46 | alpha1-2 | ok, and this is good or bad ? :P |
| 01:14.51 | alpha1-2 | is this* |
| 01:15.17 | blast007 | just means your processor architecture is older than Sandy Bridge, which in turn is older than Ivy Bridge |
| 01:15.28 | alpha1-2 | and? :) |
| 01:15.47 | alpha1-2 | from what year we are talking? |
| 01:15.48 | blast007 | that's it... |
| 01:16.07 | alpha1-2 | we brought this NB 1 or 2 years ago :P |
| 01:16.15 | blast007 | that processor is from 2010 |
| 01:16.23 | alpha1-2 | ok right :) |
| 01:16.26 | blast007 | so that's like 25 years in Internet Time |
| 01:16.31 | alpha1-2 | ha ha |
| 01:16.34 | alpha1-2 | ehhh |
| 01:17.04 | alpha1-2 | [22:12] <JeffM> may god have mercy on your soul <---- EHHHHHH! ha ha ha |
| 01:17.58 | alpha1-2 | I want to aclare that for first time i can use Intel graphics (3D) in linux directly and at least I don't have any problem (major) for play BZ ;) |
| 01:19.11 | ashvala | the funny thing about this intel chipset is… it handles borderlands 2 at 60fps without any drops. >_> |
| 01:19.18 | alpha1-2 | I just wanted to comment about ashvala issue that maybe I had something similar in "hard jump" issue , but i dn't know well (you are the wise persons here ;) |
| 01:19.59 | JeffM | ashvala, are you doing stipple or stencil shadows? |
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| 01:20.11 | ashvala | on bz? None. |
| 01:20.35 | JeffM | ashvala, oh ok |
| 01:20.57 | alpha1-2 | excuse me, what do you mean exactly with "drop"? |
| 01:21.50 | ashvala | the fps is fairly consistent, alpha1-2. |
| 01:22.26 | ashvala | drops mean that the fps isn't consistent and it reduces. |
| 01:22.28 | alpha1-2 | oh.... I have that smae number of FPS (60) all the time I think |
| 01:22.34 | alpha1-2 | same* |
| 01:22.57 | alpha1-2 | I meant : ingeneral |
| 01:23.09 | alpha1-2 | but sometimes it downs to 40 i think |
| 01:24.01 | alpha1-2 | so we must hav similar CPU/3D adaptors |
| 01:24.13 | alpha1-2 | CPUs |
| 01:24.15 | alpha1-2 | * |
| 01:27.01 | JeffM | CTCP really? |
| 01:27.51 | JeffM | 40 isn't too bad |
| 01:28.05 | JeffM | then the FPS is probalb not calling your problem. |
| 01:29.53 | alpha1-2 | ehmm.. I din't say that I really had a problem.... just I sow some similar situation to ashvala I think |
| 01:30.27 | alpha1-2 | but yes I sow some weird behaviour in "hard jump" issue like I posted :) |
| 01:30.36 | alpha1-2 | as* |
| 01:31.54 | alpha1-2 | I can play BZ very well let's say :) (an I'm very happy doing it with my first Intel 3D experience :) |
| 01:32.03 | alpha1-2 | (finally*) |
| 01:32.10 | alpha1-2 | and* |
| 01:33.15 | alpha1-2 | why did u ask me about CTCP? :P |
| 01:33.43 | Constitution | blast007: turn your mom's computer into a hackintosh and you can help us test this issue |
| 01:34.50 | blast007 | why would I want to make it less useful? |
| 01:36.56 | alpha1-2 | ashvala: but are you having really problems for play or not? |
| 01:41.09 | Constitution | ashvala: is this on a MacBook Pro 13"? |
| 01:41.19 | ashvala | Constitution: 15" non retina |
| 01:41.38 | Constitution | they put integrated graphics in that? :-/ |
| 01:41.52 | Constitution | that's not the only GPU, I hope |
| 01:42.31 | ashvala | Yeah, there's also the Nvidia chip. :p |
| 01:43.01 | alpha1-2 | ashvala: just for curiosity... are you having really problems for play or not in that machine? |
| 01:43.16 | ashvala | with the intel chip, yes, alpha. |
| 01:43.26 | alpha1-2 | for example? |
| 01:43.44 | alpha1-2 | wait |
| 01:43.56 | alpha1-2 | do you have Intel or Nvidia 3D GPU? |
| 01:44.24 | ashvala | both. :p |
| 01:44.46 | alpha1-2 | then , do you disable Nvidia for test Intel? |
| 01:44.56 | ashvala | yeah. |
| 01:45.01 | alpha1-2 | oh nice |
| 01:45.19 | alpha1-2 | and , then , give an example of your prblem |
| 01:45.24 | alpha1-2 | give me* |
| 01:46.18 | blast007 | alpha1-2: step one) buy a mac |
| 01:46.28 | alpha1-2 | ha ha |
| 01:47.28 | Constitution | the hardware is not the problem :P |
| 01:47.48 | Constitution | aside from their over reliance on integrated GPUs |
| 01:47.53 | alpha1-2 | no, because I readed ashvala saying that the FPS drops to 25 30 and maybe that value isn't the real problem (I play with 40) (I joined late maybe) |
| 01:48.42 | Constitution | 40 fps on an Intel HD 4000? |
| 01:48.45 | alpha1-2 | (soory i say "no" often but it doesn't mean "no" to you ;) |
| 01:49.05 | blast007 | no, he's got an Intel HD (before they started numbering them - first generation core processor based) |
| 01:50.09 | Constitution | oh |
| 01:50.51 | alpha1-2 | I play mostly with 60, but sometimes it downs to 40 (but ashvala said to 25-30) |
| 01:52.14 | alpha1-2 | first generation blast007?? they are from 1998-2000!! |
| 01:52.27 | blast007 | no, first generation *core* architecture |
| 01:52.35 | blast007 | as in, core i3/i5/i7 |
| 01:53.01 | alpha1-2 | oh yeah I don't have i3 or higher arch :) |
| 01:53.31 | alpha1-2 | is HD 4000 i3 or higher related? |
| 01:53.41 | blast007 | eh.. your processor is *based* on the first generation of the i3/i5/i7 |
| 01:53.55 | Constitution | core solo/duo and core 2 solo/duo were not core architecture? |
| 01:54.10 | blast007 | Constitution: nope ;) welcome to Intel's confusing marketing names |
| 01:55.23 | Constitution | that still seems like a very low fps |
| 01:55.33 | blast007 | agreed |
| 01:55.33 | alpha1-2 | Oh I see now what JeffM said... Nehalem, Sandy, etc (I have to update myself a few ;) |
| 01:57.29 | alpha1-2 | and the last Intel GPUs... to how much FPS they reach? |
| 01:57.48 | alpha1-2 | (in BZ) |
| 01:57.54 | ashvala | alpha1-2, the fps rates I mentioned. ^^ |
| 01:57.55 | blast007 | a number between zero and a million |
| 01:57.57 | alpha1-2 | 150 maybe? |
| 01:58.10 | JeffM | depends on the CPU and OS |
| 01:58.11 | JeffM | and the map |
| 01:58.22 | JeffM | what I wanted to see was how consistent the FPS are |
| 01:58.33 | JeffM | having it drop when we draw a tank is very odd |
| 01:58.44 | JeffM | a tank adds like 300 triangles |
| 01:58.50 | blast007 | my FPS drops to about half from the font drawing alone ;) |
| 01:58.52 | JeffM | so it should not be a burden |
| 01:59.07 | JeffM | well yeah the font drawing blows out texture caches like a madman |
| 01:59.16 | blast007 | UI on (scoreboard and chat panel) I get 500 to 700. Turn UI off, 1600... |
| 01:59.17 | JeffM | we really should sort them by texture |
| 01:59.35 | blast007 | that's my nVidia of course |
| 01:59.36 | JeffM | GL does not like to change back and forth between textures |
| 02:00.01 | alpha1-2 | Firingsquad said something like 150... |
| 02:00.09 | JeffM | depends on the CPU |
| 02:00.19 | JeffM | since the CPU has a major part of the GPU |
| 02:00.31 | alpha1-2 | ok, then, for get an idea, what numbers are you all getting? |
| 02:00.42 | JeffM | -2 |
| 02:00.45 | blast007 | over 9000 |
| 02:00.51 | alpha1-2 | :O |
| 02:00.54 | Constitution | groan |
| 02:00.56 | alpha1-2 | X( |
| 02:01.02 | JeffM | N+1 |
| 02:01.10 | alpha1-2 | come on, say it! |
| 02:01.12 | ashvala | blast007 wins the internet. |
| 02:01.32 | alpha1-2 | deveal your secrets |
| 02:01.36 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 02:01.37 | Constitution | not really relevant, unless they are the same GPU or GPU family at least |
| 02:01.50 | JeffM | yeah it's going to be all over the place |
| 02:01.57 | JeffM | most machines are overpowered for BZ |
| 02:01.59 | alpha1-2 | reveal* |
| 02:02.06 | JeffM | and very high frame rates cause problems |
| 02:02.14 | JeffM | I'd like to limit to 150 or so |
| 02:03.28 | alpha1-2 | excuse me guys, just for curiosity, say a number! |
| 02:03.40 | alpha1-2 | (I did it) |
| 02:03.55 | alpha1-2 | (if you have it) |
| 02:04.05 | JeffM | I'm at work and don't have my laptop |
| 02:04.08 | alpha1-2 | I want to know :P |
| 02:04.13 | blast007 | alpha1-2: I already said a number |
| 02:04.21 | JeffM | I can tell you how many metanodes there are in the MDD tree |
| 02:04.22 | JeffM | 17 |
| 02:04.22 | blast007 | I get 500 to 800 FPS |
| 02:04.45 | alpha1-2 | oh ok blast007 thx, it is for figuring out this issue :) |
| 02:04.45 | blast007 | on a HiX map at 1920x1200 with everything turned on |
| 02:05.07 | alpha1-2 | screen saver on too? :P |
| 02:05.16 | alpha1-2 | (on BZ options) |
| 02:05.21 | alpha1-2 | in* |
| 02:05.23 | blast007 | energy saver |
| 02:05.33 | alpha1-2 | oh sry yes |
| 02:05.36 | blast007 | and no... that would limit the FPS |
| 02:05.44 | alpha1-2 | ok thanks :) |
| 02:05.55 | alpha1-2 | are you usign nvidia right? |
| 02:06.00 | alpha1-2 | using* |
| 02:06.14 | blast007 | nVidia GTX 660 Ti 2GB |
| 02:06.18 | alpha1-2 | ok ;) |
| 02:06.32 | alpha1-2 | I have some interest in 3D issues BTW :) |
| 02:06.39 | JeffM | the best value card on the interwebs |
| 02:07.03 | alpha1-2 | Desktop right blast007? |
| 02:07.10 | blast007 | nope, tablet |
| 02:07.16 | alpha1-2 | uh |
| 02:07.18 | JeffM | I put mine in my phone |
| 02:07.31 | JeffM | it took LOTS of tape |
| 02:07.32 | blast007 | pfft, mine's a watch |
| 02:07.34 | alpha1-2 | ehh |
| 02:07.36 | blast007 | it tells me the time |
| 02:07.40 | blast007 | in threeeeeedeeeeeeee! |
| 02:07.56 | JeffM | you can tell by the model name if it's mobile or not |
| 02:09.25 | alpha1-2 | ok I hope that until GTX 660 it was all truly :| |
| 02:09.45 | JeffM | the mobile ones usualy have different names |
| 02:10.23 | alpha1-2 | well I have to go guys, continue with your jokes :) |
| 02:10.49 | JeffM | I can't I have to find out why GDI+ is so friggin slow |
| 02:10.58 | blast007 | I would, but my watch battery is low, so it's starting to run backwards |
| 02:11.08 | blast007 | should have a new battery last wednesday |
| 02:17.43 | blast007 | kinda said... I think I get higher FPS in Borderlands 2 than I do in Adobe Reader.. |
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| 23:46.57 | Constitution | is it common for routers to drop connections to IRC servers due to inactivity? |
| 23:48.59 | JeffM | I've never seen it happen |
| 23:49.15 | JeffM | usualy the client or the server send a heartbeat message |
| 23:49.44 | JeffM | in xchat that's what the barl that goes under the user list is for, your lag based on the last heartbeat |
| 23:49.56 | Constitution | ah |