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| 00:19.41 | khonkhortisan | Useless Fact: The camera's near plane is further away from the camera than the height the tank's body rests above the ground. |
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| 00:48.09 | khonkhortisan | Fancy radar tanks have been disabled for 1 year, 7 months, and 21 days so far. |
| 00:48.35 | JeffM | that tells me there is not a big call for them then |
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| 01:06.46 | blast007 | yeah, like I said, kinda a useless feature |
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| 01:14.07 | khonkhortisan | It looks like the parts are being drawn upside-down in the right-side-up order, until you turn Effects Settings->Display Treads on. Then it draws right-side-up until you rejoin with that setting off. |
| 01:14.26 | khonkhortisan | It doesn't make sense for drawing your nose to affect drawing your radar. |
| 01:58.44 | khonkhortisan | onlyShadows overrides isRadar |
| 02:14.08 | khonkhortisan | if (cond) { func(true); } else { func(false); } is the same as func(cond); |
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| 03:20.14 | khonkhortisan | Why isn't winning name blink affected by scoreboard sort? |
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| 05:16.49 | BulletCatcher | Only one player should have their callsign blinking at a time. I'm not sure how that works, though. |
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| 06:21.42 | khonkhortisan | According to how I organize my scores, shouldn't I be winning if I'm on top? |
| 06:22.30 | khonkhortisan | One person winning 1vs1, one person winning by score, one person winning by normalized score, etc. |
| 06:24.09 | BulletCatcher | You're a winner no matter what your score is. |
| 06:24.17 | khonkhortisan | :) |
| 06:28.14 | BulletCatcher | I'm not sure whose callsign flashes when two players are tied for the top score, but I do know that it isn't always the player on top of the sort list (when sorting by net score). |
| 06:28.51 | Notify | 03BZFlag:khonkhortisan * 22662 trunk/bzflag/src/geometry/TankSceneNode.cxx: Set gstate _after_ rendering treads. This (half-)fixes the tread texturebeing drawn on the fancy radar tank (as long as Effects->Display Treadsis on) |
| 06:29.11 | khonkhortisan | Out of four problems with fancy radar tanks, three of them are now fixed. |
| 06:29.21 | BulletCatcher | yay |
| 06:30.06 | khonkhortisan | square shots, height box color, and tread texture on body, but you have to turn on Display Treads for the tank to be drawn right. |
| 06:30.51 | khonkhortisan | onlyShadows is stored in the parent of where isRadar is stored, and I think I need both of them at the same time |
| 06:31.35 | khonkhortisan | When you don't display treads, it knows to not draw your tank in front of you, which removes some of the information needed to draw your tank on radar. |
| 06:32.18 | BulletCatcher | interesting |
| 06:33.52 | BulletCatcher | We should be able to fix that if we ever get modular tank models. |
| 06:34.28 | khonkhortisan | 3d radar tanks don't clip each other like 3d view tanks do |
| 06:38.07 | khonkhortisan | My current problem: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=a0c8131 |
| 06:38.57 | khonkhortisan | How modular? |
| 06:44.53 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Khonkhortisan * 8593 /Tank: /* 2.0.10 and earlier */ Change tank.obj link to point to now-existent svn copy |
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| 13:04.25 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: how modular? we'll let the users pick what bolts they want to use to assemble their tank! |
| 13:05.34 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: as for the issue you linked to, is it perhaps dropping the tank down to a lower quality model? there's three quality models iirc. |
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| 17:28.10 | khonkhortisan | blast007, If one of the qualities of models makes it so the top of the tank doesn't go all the way back to the white light, then yes. |
| 17:32.50 | khonkhortisan | I never would've guessed. That's right! It goes down from experimental to low quality. |
| 17:44.54 | khonkhortisan | Thanks blast007 |
| 18:05.32 | Notify | 03BZFlag:khonkhortisan * 22663 trunk/bzflag/src/geometry/TankSceneNode.cxx: For fancy radar tanks, set TankLOD even if not necessarily drawing thetank in front of your nose. |
| 18:09.43 | khonkhortisan | I was using drawFancyTank() based on if (1) instead of useTankModels like I was supposed to, so I didn't notice it only gets drawn in the higher detail levels. |
| 18:11.22 | JeffM | the tank dosn't have THAT Many faces in it ;) |
| 18:15.51 | khonkhortisan | I motion that fancy radar tanks, disabled since r22008, be reinstated in r22664 for these reasons: ① Shots do not become square ② height boxes don't lose color ③ tread texture is not drawn on the tank body, and ④ The tank is drawn with the correct level of detail. |
| 18:16.04 | JeffM | please don't use fancy characters |
| 18:16.11 | khonkhortisan | okay |
| 18:16.26 | JeffM | sure turn it on |
| 18:16.30 | JeffM | we'll see if anyone notices |
| 18:20.54 | Notify | 03BZFlag:khonkhortisan * 22664 (trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx trunk/bzflag/src/geometry/TankSceneNode.cxx): Re-enable fancy radar tanks, disabled since r22008! |
| 18:21.23 | khonkhortisan | That one deserves an exclamation point :) |
| 18:24.14 | JeffM | it's funny that you are so excited about it |
| 18:24.45 | JeffM | it wasn't really a planned feature, someone just decided to add it one day |
| 18:24.54 | JeffM | like wings |
| 18:25.38 | khonkhortisan | it's a cool feature, you can see both your treads move in realtime |
| 18:25.48 | khonkhortisan | and the tank explosion |
| 18:26.10 | JeffM | the only raeason I don't like it is that it removes the focus from the 3d view |
| 18:26.25 | JeffM | makes it more of a top down 2d game |
| 18:26.44 | DTRemenak | like wings...and flags, and OO, and meshes, and just about every other feature regardless of size ;) |
| 18:27.14 | JeffM | a lot of them yeah |
| 18:27.23 | JeffM | meshes were more planed then others |
| 18:27.31 | JeffM | we had said 'we want to do that some day' |
| 18:28.01 | DTRemenak | the plan and the implementation were independent, so that doesn't really count :) |
| 18:28.33 | JeffM | I say there was some link. someoone knew we wanted it, and decided to implment it |
| 18:28.36 | DTRemenak | not sure a feature counts as planned if the implementor doesn't know about the plan :) |
| 18:28.40 | JeffM | it set up a level of requirement |
| 18:28.50 | JeffM | possibly |
| 18:28.58 | JeffM | and the inital implementation was tetras |
| 18:29.13 | JeffM | that got turned into meshes when the desire was known |
| 18:29.18 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's true |
| 18:29.28 | JeffM | so it's not all the way on one side or the other |
| 18:29.39 | JeffM | now draw info yeah that was just "I busted this out" |
| 18:34.38 | khonkhortisan | When tanks start being loaded externally I expect there to be only the default tank in a non-breaking change, then a breaking change to add tags to the model and allow multiple models. |
| 18:35.04 | JeffM | probably do it all breaking |
| 18:35.09 | JeffM | but yes it could be done that way |
| 18:35.15 | JeffM | some of the tags will also be for effects |
| 18:35.22 | JeffM | like "smoke comes out here" |
| 18:35.33 | khonkhortisan | Quoteth the Devinfo: "Try to separate out bigger commits into smaller ones." |
| 18:35.43 | JeffM | sure commit often |
| 18:35.52 | JeffM | that's just a general life rule |
| 18:46.03 | JeffM | The model change is going to be a bit change even if we don't add other tanks, so it's probalby best to test it as part of a breaking release rather then a point release |
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| 18:46.20 | JeffM | but you are totaly correct it could be done seperately |
| 18:47.07 | JeffM | we just want to make sure that we get the model format right when we release it, as even if we can't send models over the wire people are going to want to build there own and replace them localy |
| 18:47.23 | JeffM | and it would suck to change the format and have people have to change the models |
| 19:39.59 | khonkhortisan | It would be easier to spot newbies if you could see whether they changed their tread style, but that's in the future. |
| 20:24.22 | JeffM | there are some things to ponder with regards to tank model changes, specificly how it affects the view altering flags like ColorBlind |
| 20:24.44 | JeffM | if you know that someone is the only person with a specific model setup then if they are all the same color you can still pick them out |
| 20:30.15 | khonkhortisan | So ColorBlind would teporarily set everyone to your tank style |
| 20:30.24 | JeffM | yeah or something like that |
| 20:30.37 | JeffM | there are solutions we just have to agree on them and make sure we have all the cases |
| 20:30.51 | khonkhortisan | it would do more then colorblindness that way, but still have the same effect |
| 20:30.59 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:33.13 | BulletCatcher | Since you mention it, BZFlag has always limited the ability to identify individual tanks. |
| 20:33.14 | BulletCatcher | Personalized tank models would change that, so we should tread carefully (pun intended). |
| 20:34.02 | JeffM | BulletCatcher will be here all week ladies and gentelmen, try the veal! |
| 20:34.41 | JeffM | color blind should turn the entire world black and white, make the tanks the same, turn off sound, and put film scratches over the screen |
| 20:35.01 | JeffM | and switch to a title card that says "boom" when you shoot |
| 20:35.03 | JeffM | like a silent movie |
| 20:35.29 | khonkhortisan | you're right, you can tell what base you're at |
| 20:35.57 | khonkhortisan | You should be able to attempt to take the wrong team flag |
| 20:36.07 | JeffM | "forsooth I am undone" when you die |
| 20:36.34 | khonkhortisan | cue the piano music |
| 20:37.03 | JeffM | "hello my baby, hello my darling!" |
| 20:38.36 | BulletCatcher | It's only another 45 years or so until Michigan J. Frog is due to be released from the cornerstone again. |
| 20:43.47 | JeffM | what could be interesting would be to have all the tanks randomly shift models |
| 20:43.56 | JeffM | like every 5 seconds |
| 20:44.04 | khonkhortisan | but we don't shift team colors |
| 20:44.19 | JeffM | call it "medicinal use only" |
| 20:45.05 | khonkhortisan | What if you had a setting for your tank, a different setting for whether that applies to all tanks, and if that second one was off, the tank model would be random on spawn? |
| 20:45.41 | JeffM | we will need an option to disable user defined tanks, some people will want everyone to be the same. |
| 20:46.04 | JeffM | I don't know if "give me a random one every spawn" is a fun feature |
| 20:46.15 | JeffM | that seems more confusing then anything |
| 20:46.20 | khonkhortisan | On a different subject, what's your opinion on enemy tanks having fancy radar tank explosions? |
| 20:46.40 | JeffM | you know my option on fancy radar |
| 20:46.45 | khonkhortisan | oh yeah. |
| 20:46.48 | JeffM | and that would make it more like a 2d game |
| 20:46.54 | JeffM | so I would be against it |
| 20:47.34 | JeffM | if that's the kind of game you want, make a 2d only client |
| 20:51.53 | BulletCatcher | The fancy radar tank looks good, by the way. |
| 20:51.55 | BulletCatcher | ~khonkhortisan++ |
| 20:52.56 | khonkhortisan | It looks how it did before it broke, if it was ever working fully |
| 21:00.33 | khonkhortisan | CB doesn't make you colorblind, it only gives you short-sighted color vision. Your tank is still the same color |
| 21:01.43 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:01.52 | JeffM | I would extend it to make it worse ;) |
| 21:01.56 | JeffM | and more funny |
| 22:05.09 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Alezakos * 8594 /Download: /* Version Numbering */ Remove obsolete link |
| 22:07.34 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Alezakos * 8595 /Development_RoadMap: /* 2.4.6 */ Remove "graphic tank on radar", since it will be added on 2.4.4 |
| 22:09.24 | khonkhortisan | oh, I didn't know that was there |
| 22:09.46 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Alezakos * 8596 /DevelopmentPlans/2.4.4: Add "Graphic tank on radar at high zoom" |
| 22:30.54 | JeffM | the planing pages have many things :) |
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