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| 04:37.21 | Constitution | jeffm: the graphics issue is related to SDL. commenting out the "gamma" setting in the config seems to fix it. also building in 64-bit mode seems to fix it. |
| 04:38.00 | jeffm | Constitution, is there any reason to build 32 bit on OSX, didn't they drop 32bit support a while ago? |
| 04:45.03 | Constitution | for some reason it didn't like building 64-bit on Snow Leopard. possibly that could be fixed if I look at it some more. |
| 04:45.47 | Constitution | this issue is why I've been keeping the official builds back at SDL 1.2.13. Unfortunately, that causes other issues on 10.7+, so that's no longer a viable option |
| 04:46.04 | jeffm | well I just built what you checked in, and that's what others are going to do ;) |
| 04:46.48 | Constitution | could change the default architecture to whatever is native to the build machine, I suppose |
| 04:46.53 | jeffm | I don't see a 64 bit configuration just "my mac 32 bit" |
| 04:47.02 | jeffm | or provide both |
| 04:47.23 | jeffm | still it's great what you have done, it's build able on stock mountain lion |
| 04:47.57 | Constitution | you have to click on the project, click on build settings, and change the architecture in there |
| 04:48.10 | jeffm | on just bzflag or all of em? |
| 04:48.49 | Constitution | all the targets will assume the architecture of the main project? just set it for the project itself |
| 04:51.27 | jeffm | that generates 201 link errors ;) |
| 04:51.59 | Constitution | I think you have to clean it before changing architectures :P |
| 04:52.54 | Constitution | I'm hoping to write up native Cocoa support so we can transition off of SDL and maybe improve the performance as well as our longevity in this platform |
| 04:54.15 | Constitution | but one thing at a time |
| 04:54.59 | jeffm | what part of SDL is slowing down bz? |
| 04:55.01 | jeffm | sound? |
| 04:59.30 | Constitution | I guess performance wasn't the best word? generally I haven't seen performance issues, except related to the Intel HD4000 issue |
| 04:59.43 | jeffm | I doubt that is SDL |
| 04:59.49 | jeffm | SDL just does window setup |
| 04:59.55 | jeffm | after that it's all the same GL calls |
| 05:00.16 | jeffm | the window SDL gives back is a native window |
| 05:03.50 | Constitution | well, it's a thought anyway? would eliminate one library dependency and allow us to support more features, like iconify, and might make the profiling tools work better |
| 05:04.40 | jeffm | SDL should support iconify with the activate/deactivate message |
| 05:04.44 | jeffm | the lib is a valid reason |
| 05:04.54 | jeffm | the profiling sounds like fud |
| 05:06.59 | Constitution | the other reason is just problems we've had with SDL lately, like this screen gamma issue, lack of reliability across OS versions, and also they changed something in the mouse tracking after 1.2.13 so the mouse feels totally different |
| 05:07.53 | jeffm | sure loosing the lib itself is a valid reason |
| 05:08.04 | jeffm | specially since the mac seems to have less third party support |
| 05:08.40 | jeffm | it does put you at the whim of apple, but they seem to break things on the mac slightly less often then others |
| 05:11.40 | Constitution | yeah the Cocoa stuff we would use hasn't changed much afaik? originally we had native Carbon app support (C++), but Carbon support has been pretty much eliminated |
| 05:12.03 | jeffm | until apple despots that :) |
| 05:12.24 | jeffm | when the go arm only or something |
| 05:13.26 | Constitution | yeah that's the other valid reason? one less thing getting in the way of bz on iOS ;) |
| 05:14.23 | jeffm | still doesn't change the main reason, it's a stupid idea |
| 05:18.36 | Constitution | well, they've been pushing Obejctive C and Cocoa pretty much since the beginning, so I think we'd be safe for a while |
| 05:19.47 | jeffm | the trends they are going towards with 10.8 do not seem "safe" |
| 05:19.56 | jeffm | "get in the garden or leave" |
| 05:21.13 | Constitution | true |
| 05:22.30 | Constitution | I have noticed some resistance even from commercial software developers? CarbonCopyCloner, for instance, said they will never be in the app store because Apple doesn't allow tools like theirs |
| 05:23.02 | jeffm | yeah, it remains to be seen how apple will respond, if at all |
| 05:23.15 | jeffm | they don't really have to worry too much about loosing a few apps |
| 05:23.37 | jeffm | them iPhones will pay for OSX for a long long time |
| 05:24.14 | Constitution | yep |
| 05:24.16 | jeffm | and for that app they want everyone in the cloud |
| 05:24.42 | Constitution | seems to be less resistance to the cloud, sadly |
| 05:24.54 | jeffm | its easy |
| 05:25.02 | jeffm | apple's primary customer wants easy |
| 05:25.24 | jeffm | mostly home and art users |
| 05:25.37 | jeffm | not your traditional biz users who has to deal with the IT dept |
| 05:26.10 | Constitution | and they certainly don't cater to developers |
| 05:26.26 | jeffm | why would they need to |
| 05:26.35 | jeffm | if one dev can't hack it, 100 more will take it's place |
| 05:35.50 | Constitution | also, the mac build os string is now mac<32|64>xc<xcode version>[dbg] |
| 05:36.06 | Constitution | all automatically generated |
| 05:36.38 | jeffm | cool |
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| 06:32.36 | Constitution | BulletCatcher: make distcheck does appear to work once I install the system libcurl and c-ares |
| 06:36.00 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 06:36.01 | BulletCatcher | I need a system *without* those packages to reproduce the problem, and am not quite there yet. |
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| 16:49.33 | kierra | whoa |
| 16:49.51 | kierra | this from a tanker I've banned for cheating in times past.... |
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