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| 01:19.28 | Constitution | blast007: still working on it. Will try more tonight. IIRC I had to customize a bunch of things in the Xcode project to get it to build a unibin last time. |
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| 03:28.32 | short_circuit | Bad |
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| 05:52.59 | khonkhortisan | one client thinks both clients are rogue, the second client thinks the first client is on the red team. |
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| 05:57.42 | khonkhortisan | http://f.imgtmp.com/KVbfl.png |
| 06:06.11 | khonkhortisan | I broke something (locally) :) |
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| 13:42.35 | Constitution | khonkhortisan: what are you working on? |
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| 18:33.07 | khonkhortisan | Constitution: Animated Treads (Off/Covered/Exposed) being per-player, so you can see what tanks the other people are using instead of setting all of them to the same model. http://wiki.bzflag.org/CustomTanks I have it where each client knows what the tanks are, with the side effect of the teams being wrong, I have to change the tank geometry and render it, and make replays recreate the extra message. |
| 18:56.14 | blast007 | is this something your planning to put into 2.4? |
| 18:58.48 | khonkhortisan | if I were to make it backwards-compatible, old tanks wouldn't be sent MsgSetModelOptions and would have your tank style. I wasn't planning on it, but it could be done without being in a breaking release. |
| 18:59.32 | blast007 | well, I mean, ideally it would be in a breaking release |
| 18:59.55 | blast007 | then we wouldn't have to explain why it doesn't work all the time ;) |
| 19:01.11 | blast007 | also, I can't believe how bad Windows 8 is. |
| 19:01.13 | khonkhortisan | it could be an incentive to upgrade. Want custom tanks? upgrade your client! |
| 19:01.35 | khonkhortisan | what did they do now? |
| 19:01.41 | blast007 | everything |
| 19:02.27 | blast007 | removed the start menu, dumbed the UI down, made it harder to search |
| 19:02.43 | blast007 | unintuitive interface |
| 19:03.39 | khonkhortisan | windows would be nicer if it had the concept of a window manager |
| 19:04.09 | blast007 | windows would be nicer if they stopped trying to copy tablet interfaces |
| 19:05.52 | khonkhortisan | Because I'm using a different serverlink message instead of adding to existing ones, normal servers don't like me |
| 19:07.34 | blast007 | normal servers should just log a "Player [%d] sent unknown packet type (%x), possible attack from %s" |
| 19:07.41 | blast007 | and then ignore the message |
| 19:08.53 | khonkhortisan | I get invalid request sometimes |
| 19:10.02 | blast007 | then you're sending it before you are fulling joined to the game |
| 19:11.03 | blast007 | fully* |
| 19:11.05 | khonkhortisan | oh |
| 19:11.21 | blast007 | we only allow specific messages to be sent prior to a MsgEnter |
| 19:14.10 | khonkhortisan | serverLink->sendEnter(); serverLink->sendModelOptions() I'm sending them right after each other |
| 19:15.01 | blast007 | and they're both TCP? |
| 19:15.54 | khonkhortisan | yes they both send() |
| 19:16.05 | khonkhortisan | they're either both TCP or both UDP |
| 19:17.15 | khonkhortisan | neither are in the needForSpeed switch |
| 19:17.28 | blast007 | k |
| 19:19.06 | khonkhortisan | I should probably move sendModelOptions to when MsgAddPlayer is me |
| 19:21.25 | khonkhortisan | that fixed the invalid request |
| 19:21.30 | blast007 | or MsgAlive |
| 19:22.12 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 19:22.30 | khonkhortisan | I don't want to attach it to MsgAlive because it's already directly attached to the menu option. If you had to die to change your tank then I would connect it to that. |
| 19:22.44 | blast007 | In an ideal world, our initial handshake would be a lot different.. |
| 19:23.52 | blast007 | I wouldn't see that as a bad thing |
| 19:28.19 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, I would not put a new feature in 2.4.2 |
| 19:28.40 | JeffM | just for stability sake |
| 19:38.27 | blast007 | I wasn't refering to 2.4.2 (nor do I think he was), just the 2.4 line in general. |
| 19:39.16 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 19:39.16 | blast007 | and again, ideally it would not be in 2.4 at all and instead with for 2.6 (and/or hell to freeze over) ;) |
| 19:39.23 | blast007 | wait* |
| 19:39.27 | JeffM | it is graphical only so I am on the fence about it |
| 19:39.31 | JeffM | I can see both reasons |
| 19:39.43 | blast007 | it would just work inconsistently in 2.4 |
| 19:39.56 | JeffM | but yes, idealy we'd fix other real bugs before working on graphics |
| 19:40.12 | blast007 | it would require a new server to work at all, and if people use old clients on the new server, their client wouldn't be sending the model info |
| 19:40.17 | JeffM | ship 2.4.2 and turn trunk into 2.5 |
| 19:40.27 | JeffM | indeed |
| 19:41.31 | JeffM | so much for making feature lists for versions..... |
| 19:42.38 | blast007 | is it just my bad luck, or do AMD drivers still suck? |
| 19:42.50 | JeffM | they are not as good as nvidia |
| 19:42.54 | JeffM | they are getting better |
| 19:42.56 | blast007 | and I'm not even talking about games.. just.. running the Windows desktop.. |
| 19:43.09 | JeffM | I haven't seen issues with desktop stuff |
| 19:43.19 | JeffM | but ourproduct for instance has some issues on some ATI chipsets |
| 19:43.21 | blast007 | maybe it's HP's fault.. dunno. |
| 19:43.23 | JeffM | what chipset is it? |
| 19:43.35 | blast007 | it's an HP 6005 Pro with a Radeon HD 4200 |
| 19:43.55 | JeffM | hmm, I had a gateway laptop with the 3200 and it's fine ish |
| 19:44.10 | JeffM | our cad system has some problems with it, mostly with display lists |
| 19:44.27 | blast007 | on XP, I had issues using the Windows Picture & Fax viewer to view images.. they would show part of the picture, and part of it would be just white, and if you kept browsing, you'd crash the driver |
| 19:44.57 | JeffM | you sure there isn't hardware failure? |
| 19:44.58 | blast007 | and now on Windows 7 with a higher resolution display (1600x900) I can't seem to use the DisplayPort without graphical artifacts/ghosting on the right inch or two of the screen |
| 19:45.04 | JeffM | some bad vram? |
| 19:45.27 | blast007 | if it is, then we've got many systems with the same issue from different batches over a year apart ;) |
| 19:45.40 | JeffM | probalby HP drivers then |
| 19:45.49 | blast007 | not using HP drivers |
| 19:45.55 | JeffM | suck |
| 19:46.15 | blast007 | though it happens with the HP ones out of the box, the ones from Windows update, the ones from AMD, and the ones in Windows 8 |
| 19:46.34 | blast007 | workaround seems to be using a DP-to-DVI adapter |
| 19:46.48 | JeffM | well it woudl suprise me if the windows8 ones are any differnet then the windows update ones from 7 |
| 19:46.49 | blast007 | DP-to-VGA still has the problem, since that still uses the displayport signal |
| 19:47.08 | JeffM | firmware updates maybe? |
| 19:47.12 | blast007 | maybe |
| 19:47.53 | blast007 | It seems to be software related though. I had one XP system that it worked on, and swapping the hard drive around, the issue followed the hard drive. |
| 19:48.02 | JeffM | wierd |
| 19:48.20 | blast007 | (and then I also have XP systems that it happens on, so I need to compare the driver versions) |
| 19:48.28 | blast007 | makes me wish I had just got it with Intel graphics instead.. |
| 19:49.29 | blast007 | the 6000 Pro's have intel CPUs/graphics, and they work just fine with the displayport. not as fast of graphics, but at least it *works* |
| 19:51.15 | JeffM | hopes Constitution checks in his xcode changes |
| 19:52.55 | blast007 | well, we could always do a 2.4.4 "Xcode Edition" |
| 19:55.28 | JeffM | the xcode project dosn't need to be prefect for the debian package. |
| 19:55.32 | JeffM | but we can give him a few more days |
| 20:04.23 | JeffM | or if he at least checks in, I can try to build again and see how it's going |
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| 21:49.31 | blast007 | well, this doesn't give me much hope. I installed fglrx in Ubuntu 11.10, and I get the same graphical artifacts as I did in Windows... |
| 21:50.14 | JeffM | bios or firmware or just the chipset sucks |
| 21:53.03 | blast007 | worked with the open source Gallium3D drivers that came with Ubuntu 11.10 though.. |
| 21:53.23 | JeffM | do they do hardware stuff? or just software to a framebuffer? |
| 21:53.30 | blast007 | dunno |
| 21:53.40 | JeffM | cus it sounds like it's a problem with the hardware acceleraiton |
| 21:54.05 | blast007 | I'll start over and see if it can run something 3D with decent performance |
| 21:57.26 | blast007 | I kinda wanna try some different RAM in these things and see if that makes a difference. |
| 21:57.40 | JeffM | are they shared vram things? |
| 21:58.25 | blast007 | yup, think it uses like 256MB of the system RAM.. HyperMemory or whatever they call it. |
| 21:58.39 | blast007 | All these systems have a single 2GB stick in them |
| 21:59.56 | blast007 | oddly, it works if I'm in a dual-screen mode (either cloned or spanned), just not when it's in single-screen mode using the displayport signal.. |
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| 23:05.10 | blast007 | JeffM: with Gallium3D, I was getting 40 to 50 FPS in BZFlag (at 1600x900), but I got 150 to 190 with fglxr. Also.. this stupid thing works flawlessly on my TV at 1920x1080.. |
| 23:05.47 | JeffM | so yeah it's probably doing software rendering |
| 23:06.03 | JeffM | my guess is it's how the displayport accesses the framebuffer memory |
| 23:06.13 | JeffM | and where that framebuffer is when doing hardware acceleration |
| 23:06.28 | JeffM | can you change how much system ram it uses for vram? |
| 23:06.40 | blast007 | thus far it *only* has issues at 1600x900. Works fine on less, and on more. |
| 23:07.19 | JeffM | probably just happens to be where the memory lines up, maybe that res makes it span an address bank or use something that the displayport can't handle |
| 23:07.59 | JeffM | I'd try slaping another dimm in one |
| 23:08.00 | blast007 | the memory option goes from a low of 32MB to a high of 256MB |
| 23:08.03 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:08.05 | JeffM | maybe it's trying to do dual channel and can't |
| 23:08.29 | JeffM | and I'd move the vram down to 128 and see if it happens at the same res |
| 23:09.03 | blast007 | need to see if I can get it to use 1600x900 on my screen here. it only listed 1600x1200. |
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