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| 01:25.44 | jeffm | *sigh*, it's sad now many people assume new projects work like bz does :( |
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| 01:34.55 | blast007 | "Jeff, why is your game not broken, unintuitive, and inconsistent??" |
| 01:35.27 | jeffm | heh |
| 01:35.42 | jeffm | registering call signs on forums actually |
| 01:55.49 | jeffm | tho I should probably switch to a different forum software at some point |
| 01:56.12 | jeffm | punbb kinda sucks |
| 02:01.00 | short_circuit | hrmph |
| 02:01.18 | short_circuit | I wonder if I should have been working less and slacking off more |
| 02:04.20 | jeffm | always |
| 02:05.17 | Quol | needs to find ways these days to slack off.... |
| 02:05.57 | jeffm | wanna make me a user management system? |
| 02:06.08 | jeffm | HUGE waste of time that is |
| 02:06.28 | Quol | heh - was that the web project you were refering too? |
| 02:06.34 | jeffm | yeah |
| 02:06.58 | Quol | I can look into it if you want....what were you thinking? |
| 02:07.28 | jeffm | use something like UserCake and just make pages to manage a list of callsigns |
| 02:07.39 | jeffm | and a simple auth interface |
| 02:09.33 | Quol | "pages to manage a list of callsigns"...like enable/disable callsigns, place them in groups/leagues, reset passwords - that type of thing? |
| 02:09.49 | jeffm | callsign != user |
| 02:09.50 | jeffm | r |
| 02:10.17 | jeffm | I mean each user can have more then one call sign and they need to login using email addy and password then setup callsigns |
| 02:10.24 | jeffm | so they need a page to add and remove them |
| 02:10.41 | jeffm | the user is in a group, the call signs are attached to users |
| 02:10.55 | short_circuit | ugh! What am I gonna do with my last 10 minutes of consciensneous...<sp> That's a rhetorical query ;) |
| 02:12.08 | Quol | ahh...so the web project would be for the entire system (user login/registration, and pages to manage their profile/callsigns, plus admin pages to place users into league/groups) |
| 02:12.33 | jeffm | yes |
| 02:12.42 | Quol | callsigns would have uniqueness enforced? |
| 02:12.48 | jeffm | yes |
| 02:13.07 | jeffm | and users would have a limit based on group memebership |
| 02:13.24 | jeffm | also when a call sign is given up it should go into a limbo group for a week |
| 02:13.33 | jeffm | so a user can get it back |
| 02:14.22 | Quol | my old auth system that I have slowly porting over to the new stuff I did with the stats site would be able to do that actually...well- mostly, would need some tweeking |
| 02:15.10 | short_circuit | When is this unique inception gonna be procurable for the general public? |
| 02:15.30 | jeffm | you can get it right ow |
| 02:15.32 | jeffm | now |
| 02:15.36 | jeffm | it's just not very fun |
| 02:15.47 | Quol | I call dibs on Quol!..oh, and I might as well register short_circuit at the same time :) |
| 02:16.02 | Quol | offers to sell it to short_circuit for 20$ |
| 02:16.05 | jeffm | heh |
| 02:16.15 | jeffm | 3 call signs for free users, 5 for paid |
| 02:16.19 | short_circuit | fun = not very... But intriguing = .. Hey! wait a minute Quol!!!>>! |
| 02:16.26 | short_circuit | bleh! |
| 02:16.40 | short_circuit | registers Foo_man_choo instead |
| 02:16.56 | short_circuit | I gots money... Take Paypal ;) |
| 02:17.00 | jeffm | I figure the page should also let you say what groups apply to what callsigns |
| 02:17.12 | jeffm | so you can go "anon" if you want |
| 02:17.13 | Quol | I don't think that this is how jeffm thought it would be profitable :) |
| 02:17.55 | short_circuit | Let me know when this project gets to fund raising ;) My BZFlag apparel is wearing way the you know what out. ;) |
| 02:18.08 | jeffm | it would be nice if the forums and wiki could use the same user system, flagging one call sign as "main" |
| 02:18.25 | jeffm | oh I won't make anymore shirts |
| 02:18.31 | short_circuit | bummmer ;) |
| 02:18.32 | jeffm | that'd be silly |
| 02:18.37 | Quol | that shouldn't be a problem...openldap or DB even... |
| 02:18.51 | jeffm | a simple db should be fine for now |
| 02:18.54 | jeffm | I wold think |
| 02:19.01 | short_circuit | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.05 | short_circuit | :p |
| 02:19.21 | short_circuit | I do follow this project with interest though |
| 02:19.28 | jeffm | mostly it needs to be able to have the users and groups be able to be synced to a read only copy on another machine |
| 02:19.28 | short_circuit | as much as I am being silly |
| 02:19.37 | jeffm | and that machine will do authentication only |
| 02:19.39 | jeffm | no changes |
| 02:19.54 | Quol | mysql/postgresql replication can handle that easily |
| 02:20.24 | jeffm | yeah |
| 02:21.25 | jeffm | that's bassicly what I'm looking for now |
| 02:22.02 | Quol | maybe that will help me get off my butt and get my auth layer ported over...kinda been in limbo for a while...although work has been pretty much killing me.... |
| 02:22.28 | Quol | what's the ETA you were thinking of? |
| 02:22.29 | jeffm | we can set up users.opencombat.net on burst2 |
| 02:22.33 | jeffm | whenevs |
| 02:22.40 | jeffm | I am working with out it, it just would be nice to have |
| 02:22.49 | jeffm | then everyone won't be PLAYER_1 and PLAYER_2 |
| 02:26.06 | jeffm | eventually it'd need a group API so that the league system and paypal could manage who is in what groups |
| 02:27.44 | Quol | well, I can try to bang something out..use it as an excuse to get my auth stuff migrated over :) |
| 02:27.52 | jeffm | ok |
| 02:28.06 | jeffm | just let me know when you want a domain setup for it |
| 02:28.38 | jeffm | and when the time comes I can give you a list of what data we need for each user and each callsign |
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| 02:29.47 | Quol | ok |
| 02:41.38 | Quol | oh oh...that web project might be delayed jeffm...I just saw a TV commercial for Diablo III :) |
| 02:42.12 | jeffm | well that's a given |
| 02:47.57 | Quol | so - we started this new project at work which is a joint effort between my company and another..so we needed a distributed SCM, that also allowed for easy documentation sharing which would preferably stay in the same repository as the code..anyways, we looked around and found fossil...we are two weeks into it, and we are pretty impressed with this little scm |
| 02:50.18 | jeffm | fun |
| 02:56.34 | Quol | ya - it's been neat..never would have thought that a 500KB executable could have a web server, SCM, as well as a wiki and ticketing solution all built into the thing |
| 02:58.09 | Quol | worked out great as management on the two sides were arguing about who gets the "master" copy, and with something like Trac/Redmine etc.. you need a central server for tikets/design docs...but with fossil, the wiki and tickets are also available across all repositores, and are replicated...so each side has a "master" copy...made all the managers happy :) |
| 03:01.39 | jeffm | sure, once it can manage files, the wiki and tickets are just files |
| 03:01.44 | jeffm | and web servers are small |
| 03:01.48 | jeffm | bzfs has one now |
| 03:02.47 | Quol | ya- but just comparing it to other DSCM's, I mean, it's a 10th of the size of all the others :) |
| 03:03.16 | jeffm | size of the bin isn't really a concern these days |
| 03:03.27 | jeffm | its so small compared to the size of the data |
| 03:03.40 | Quol | anyways, on another note...what do you use for private-ish ideas that aren't publicly worthy yet? local SVN? |
| 03:03.51 | jeffm | no |
| 03:03.57 | jeffm | branches |
| 03:04.10 | jeffm | I feel no need to hide my code |
| 03:04.22 | jeffm | what makes something "public worthy"? |
| 03:05.46 | Quol | heh - not sure...I guess I feel that I shouldn't just release a crappy idea into the wild...but sometimes it takes a couple of attempts of various ideas before something sorta good follows...and then it's that "what follows" that becomes publicly worthy? |
| 03:06.13 | jeffm | why? |
| 03:06.40 | jeffm | why not put it up, if people want to look at a work in progress and help you GREAT |
| 03:06.44 | jeffm | why be a hermit? |
| 03:07.37 | Quol | that's true too... |
| 03:08.24 | Quol | although sometimes I also question if it's safe to keep all my ideas in the cloud...I mean, there is no guarantees that they will be there forever |
| 03:09.03 | jeffm | thats why you have multiple coppies |
| 03:10.24 | Quol | yup - which is why for my own stuff these days, I lean towards DSCM's..they make that extremely easy...too bad there is no good bzr hosting though...not impressed with launchpad |
| 03:10.34 | jeffm | but I think the cloud will be there longer then my hard drive :) |
| 03:11.04 | Quol | heh..not if anonymous has their way :) |
| 03:11.21 | jeffm | I do not fear bandits and hooligans |
| 03:11.22 | Quol | but ya..the "big boys" are pretty safe |
| 03:12.29 | jeffm | they will be fine as long as there is profit to be made |
| 03:12.39 | jeffm | and people are always good for profit :) |
| 03:15.44 | jeffm | the entire reason I use VCS is so I can get my code wherever I want and not have to haul a repository around |
| 03:15.56 | jeffm | so even if it was a dvcs I'd have it on a server somewhere |
| 03:16.40 | Quol | ya - i keep all my stuff on a linode too (as well as various home machines/laptops and work machines) |
| 03:17.27 | Quol | I usually use my linode as my code center, and and sync all the others with that |
| 03:17.52 | jeffm | then the only advantage you have with a dvcs is your space/speed tradoff |
| 03:18.01 | jeffm | and the ability to generate a lot of crappy history entries :) |
| 03:18.16 | Quol | heh....right now I have crap there with Git, Bzr, and fossil...lol |
| 03:18.43 | Quol | I am all over the place trying to decide which path i like better :) |
| 03:19.03 | blast007 | "Deleted extra semicolon" "Added a space" "Pondered the meaning of 'commit early, comit often' for a while" |
| 03:19.47 | Quol | blast007: exactly...how did you get a copy of my repos? |
| 03:20.16 | blast007 | isn't it possible to to merge a set of changesets together or something prior to a push to another repo? |
| 03:20.33 | jeffm | I just don't like DVCs since they push you to be a hermit and have big code drops |
| 03:20.37 | Quol | yup - pretty much all dscm's provide that |
| 03:20.44 | jeffm | since you think "oh I'm committing, it's ok" |
| 03:20.59 | blast007 | I just use my DVCS like an SVN with offline abilities |
| 03:21.43 | Quol | that's actually why I like bzr and fossil...they have the ability to be very centralized should you want,...in fact it's the default in fossil (autocommit/push is on) |
| 03:22.16 | Quol | bzr has checkout's and bound branches which offer full centralized abilties too |
| 03:23.10 | Quol | in fact...if you put a knife to my throat and told me to pick on..i think I would pick bzr (except or the code hosting thing...launchpad sucks) |
| 03:23.24 | Quol | *...to pick one..* |
| 03:37.02 | Quol | I still wish that svn had an offline cache mode or something like that |