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| 01:51.30 | Constitution | jeffm: which mac mini did you get? |
| 01:52.43 | jeffm | Constitution: I did not get a mini |
| 01:52.50 | jeffm | I got a 13 inch macbook pro |
| 01:54.12 | Constitution | oh |
| 01:55.46 | jeffm | I was almost to going to get a mini |
| 01:55.56 | jeffm | but my laptop was dying anyway |
| 01:56.23 | jeffm | and I got a discount and interest free financing from my school |
| 01:59.30 | Constitution | oh, so it's your primary laptop, even? |
| 01:59.36 | Constitution | never thought he would live to see the day |
| 02:00.02 | jeffm | it has windows on it now :) |
| 02:00.10 | jeffm | tho I have to redo the windows install |
| 02:00.19 | jeffm | windows 8 isn't too happy with the apple hardware |
| 02:04.07 | jeffm | it'll be getting more ram and another drive next week |
| 02:08.27 | allejo | jeffm, did you install Windows over OS X or use bootcamp? |
| 02:08.38 | jeffm | bootcamp |
| 02:27.10 | allejo | like const, i never thought i'd see the day :o |
| 02:27.20 | jeffm | I've owned macs before |
| 02:27.29 | jeffm | heck, blast007 bought my old mini |
| 02:27.44 | jeffm | and my first non commodore computer was a mac |
| 02:28.28 | allejo | wow i always took you as a windows only person |
| 02:29.13 | jeffm | new I didn't get a PC until I was like 23-24 |
| 02:29.31 | jeffm | when it had windows 95 and nt |
| 02:30.19 | jeffm | thats how I know it's a bit of a rip off for what you get ;) |
| 02:30.36 | allejo | lol i can't disagree with that |
| 02:31.24 | jeffm | I mean the macbook is a good machine |
| 02:31.35 | jeffm | it's quality built |
| 02:31.52 | jeffm | wish it had an option for desecrate graphics in the 13 inch form |
| 02:32.41 | blast007 | I'm stuck with my current laptop because I do not want a touchpad ... kinda eliminates almost every single (if not every) currently manufactured laptop :P |
| 02:33.11 | jeffm | yeah not much other then some lenovo ones that do that |
| 02:33.18 | blast007 | even those have both |
| 02:33.35 | blast007 | they do not have a trackpoint-only laptop anymore |
| 02:33.42 | jeffm | ahh |
| 02:34.09 | DTRemenak | it's ignorable |
| 02:34.13 | DTRemenak | is a Thinkpad user |
| 02:34.25 | DTRemenak | has the touchpad disabled in the bios |
| 02:34.33 | blast007 | yeah.. I'll probably end up with a newer thinkpad eventually, and do just that |
| 02:34.53 | blast007 | this one is starting to end up like my last thinkpad - starting to break in half ;) |
| 02:35.23 | DTRemenak | I love the thing though. best build quality I've seen in a laptop (macbooks included). |
| 02:35.36 | blast007 | oh god, I've love how durable they are |
| 02:35.54 | blast007 | I've had this thing since late 2006, and I use it all the time |
| 02:35.56 | DTRemenak | and a nice non-glossy screen with good viewing angles |
| 02:36.25 | DTRemenak | mine's a 2008, I think. T400. |
| 02:36.30 | blast007 | I'm on my third battery, my 6th pack or so of trackpoint nubs, and I've literally worn a groove in the trackpoint left click button |
| 02:37.12 | blast007 | and the only real issue with it is that wifi doesn't always work after I restore from hiberante (and doing a repair on the connection fixes that) |
| 02:37.27 | blast007 | well, that, and the "starting to break in half" part ;) |
| 02:37.28 | DTRemenak | I don't use it that heavily; tends to get a few weeks of (very) heavy use a year |
| 02:37.49 | blast007 | it's been my main system this whole time |
| 02:37.57 | DTRemenak | which bit is breaking? can't be the hinges ;) |
| 02:38.25 | blast007 | the shell cracked near the edge of the CD drive |
| 02:38.29 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 02:38.35 | Constitution | jeffm: that's my main contention for apple these days. Aside from the OS (which I personally find easy to use), you are getting an elegant, solidly-built machine, unlike the (IMHO) ugly, cheaper, worthless plastic construction HP or acer notebooks that you are bound to break something on. |
| 02:38.40 | jeffm | epoxy! |
| 02:39.01 | blast007 | think that happened on my last one as well. also, now, the bottom is starting to generate a crack. |
| 02:39.25 | DTRemenak | yeah, right around the optical bay is a weak spot; it flexes a bit, unlike the entire rest of the chassis |
| 02:39.51 | blast007 | this one is an R60e. last one was a T20 or T21. |
| 02:40.04 | blast007 | damn good systems |
| 02:40.20 | DTRemenak | I'm always amused when I try to do what I do with mine to other peoples' laptops. Like pick it up by one corner. |
| 02:40.40 | DTRemenak | thought my dad's hp was going to fall to bits when I did that without thinking |
| 02:40.58 | blast007 | with the T20, BZFlag actually ran faster in software rendering.. (had an S3 Savage 4 chipset) |
| 02:41.04 | DTRemenak | ewww |
| 02:41.13 | jeffm | 3d decellerator |
| 02:41.34 | DTRemenak | mine was the first batch of T400, with the switchable Radeon |
| 02:41.39 | DTRemenak | drivers are a MESS |
| 02:41.47 | blast007 | the Savage actually swapped textures around as well... I had white ground, grass as one of the mountain segments, and a mountain flying overhead |
| 02:42.26 | DTRemenak | my current windows drivers are a hodgepodge of the original lenovo drivers for the 3450 (which is in it), the updated drivers for the 3650, and the current desktop ATI drivers. |
| 02:43.05 | DTRemenak | and all the X drivers are just busted. I can get 2d out of one, and 3d out of another, but not both at the same time. and the third one doesn't support 1440x900... |
| 02:43.18 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:43.33 | DTRemenak | so I normally run X with the 2d radeon drivers, and run anything 3d on a second x server |
| 02:43.42 | blast007 | I'm gonna do my best to avoid the multi-GPU madness |
| 02:43.54 | DTRemenak | oh, that's with it in "discrete only" mode |
| 02:43.59 | jeffm | good luck |
| 02:44.06 | DTRemenak | it's worse with the intel junk enabled |
| 02:44.26 | DTRemenak | though the intel drivers in linux are actually pretty decent, the hardware blows |
| 02:45.17 | DTRemenak | it's actually one of the few things that's made me look at their newer models. It'd be nice to have an nvidia chip again. |
| 02:46.54 | blast007 | for me, it'd just be nice to have something newer than a Intel 845... :) |
| 02:47.00 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 02:47.07 | blast007 | or 855, whichever one it is |
| 02:47.53 | blast007 | then again, I don't game on my laptops. I have this beast for that. |
| 02:48.19 | blast007 | don't really need a shiny GPU to write PHP code |
| 02:48.25 | DTRemenak | one of the reasons I got it was so I wouldn't need to haul this machine to the occasional lan party |
| 02:48.43 | DTRemenak | my friends around here don't usually have the newest games anyway, so the 3450 was more than adequate |
| 02:48.44 | Quol | has been using an MSI GT780R for almost everything these days |
| 02:49.31 | DTRemenak | and it becomes my primary machine when visiting family, and there are occasional games involved there too. got my aunt addicted to Portal... :) |
| 02:49.52 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:50.11 | blast007 | I can get 40 FPS in BZFlag ... at 640x480 ... |
| 02:50.30 | DTRemenak | the stock lenovo radeon drivers were MISSING glcore.dll |
| 02:50.37 | blast007 | nice |
| 02:50.40 | DTRemenak | so bzflag would only run in software mode |
| 02:51.08 | DTRemenak | my current drivers are using the gl components from the current desktop drivers. only disadvantage of rolling my own drivers is that windows says "TEST MODE" all the time ;) |
| 02:51.13 | blast007 | dunno if I'm running any drivers from them, except for maybe audio. |
| 02:52.49 | DTRemenak | yeah, mostly I switch to vendor drivers. the Catalyst desktop drivers don't support the lenovo powersaving stuff though |
| 02:53.34 | DTRemenak | and I do so love the 6-hour battery life... |
| 02:53.57 | blast007 | I get around 5 with mine |
| 02:54.06 | blast007 | with the battery that sticks out the back |
| 02:54.12 | DTRemenak | newer cpus do a bit better |
| 02:54.23 | DTRemenak | they're advertising 8+ now |
| 02:54.28 | blast007 | the Pentium M doesn't do too bad though |
| 02:54.34 | DTRemenak | yeah, I have the "medium sized" battery |
| 02:54.55 | blast007 | does way better than the Turion X2 I had.. |
| 02:55.03 | blast007 | that system got 1.5 hours idling.. |
| 02:55.05 | DTRemenak | hah, the turion's power saving was a joke |
| 02:55.09 | DTRemenak | my mom bought one |
| 02:55.16 | blast007 | yeah, it had two speeds. full and half. |
| 02:55.26 | DTRemenak | can't even turn off the unused core |
| 02:55.27 | jeffm | yeah my old lappy is an amd |
| 02:55.35 | blast007 | my Pentium M can do 200Mhz increments from 1.6GHz down to 600MHz |
| 02:55.35 | jeffm | the macbook does better at power by far |
| 02:56.08 | blast007 | the turion would constantly overheat as well, so playing a game, it would downclock to 800MHz every 5 seconds or so and make the game jitter |
| 02:56.13 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:56.15 | DTRemenak | awesome |
| 02:56.25 | blast007 | had a nVidia 7600 GT Go in there as well |
| 02:56.45 | DTRemenak | I'm sure that helped the heat problems.... |
| 02:56.56 | blast007 | oh, definately ;) |
| 02:57.23 | blast007 | and for some reason, that company is out of business now... gee.. it's a mystery.. |
| 02:58.24 | blast007 | they also sold cheap mini-itx based PCs in full sized cases at walmart. full sized cases because research showed the average walmart shopped equated performance with the size of the computer. |
| 02:58.45 | blast007 | shopper* |
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| 22:41.42 | Delusional | wosh i could see my tank model in-game |
| 23:05.11 | JeffM | witch model, in witch game? |
| 23:05.52 | kierra | a broom shaped tank? |
| 23:06.55 | JeffM | Give that witch a broom, witches love brroms |
| 23:07.14 | Delusional | looks like you are calling it Open Combat |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM | it would not be too hard to make it so you can see a tank mode |
| 23:08.01 | JeffM | I can try to get that working tonight |
| 23:08.09 | JeffM | the model that is loaded is defined by a script |
| 23:08.11 | Delusional | ausum |
| 23:08.26 | JeffM | I'd just have to tell the local client to spawn a player |
| 23:08.29 | JeffM | then it'll draw it |
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