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| 01:24.43 | ts3d | Jeff: If a new project to replace bz ever gets going do you think you'll still be using opengl 1.x |
| 01:25.05 | JeffM | hopefuly not |
| 01:25.15 | JeffM | my current stuff is targeting 2 or 3 |
| 01:25.38 | JeffM | I'm using VBOs for what I can |
| 01:25.45 | JeffM | and doing my own frustum for camera |
| 01:25.49 | JeffM | no shaders yet |
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| 01:34.20 | JeffM | ts3d, why? |
| 01:35.53 | ts3d | Oh, just wondering |
| 01:36.29 | ts3d | I'm learning OpenGL 3.3, in my spare time |
| 01:36.34 | JeffM | fun |
| 01:36.40 | JeffM | it's shadertastic |
| 01:36.47 | ts3d | :) |
| 01:37.04 | ts3d | Hace you heard of the GLM library |
| 01:37.12 | ts3d | http://glm.g-truc.net/ |
| 01:37.18 | ts3d | Quiet useful |
| 01:37.23 | ts3d | Quite* |
| 01:37.27 | JeffM | fun |
| 01:37.41 | JeffM | would not work for what I'm trying to do |
| 01:38.12 | ts3d | You're using C# aren't you... |
| 01:38.22 | JeffM | yep |
| 01:38.30 | JeffM | one deliverable to rule them all |
| 01:46.47 | JeffM | it's not like the game is doing a lot of complex maths |
| 01:48.57 | ts3d | It could be, new features ;) |
| 01:49.08 | JeffM | like what? |
| 01:49.43 | ts3d | Um....well.....arced shots? |
| 01:50.02 | JeffM | that's not complix math |
| 01:50.26 | ts3d | Alright lets simulate a tornado ala Twister |
| 01:50.38 | ts3d | Cows and everything |
| 01:50.41 | JeffM | that's not so much a game ;) |
| 01:51.44 | JeffM | I'm also not looking to replace bzflag, just make a new game and let this one stay as it is |
| 01:58.34 | ts3d | How far are you along with your new game? |
| 01:59.46 | JeffM | it's a test app |
| 01:59.50 | JeffM | it draws stuff |
| 02:00.38 | JeffM | it has an graphics, windowing, updating, input, world geometry |
| 02:00.43 | JeffM | and an editor |
| 02:00.58 | JeffM | I am working on a basic simulation layer now |
| 02:01.03 | JeffM | then I'll hook it into a server |
| 02:15.34 | khonkhortisan | If there was a collaborative effort to choose default quick keys, where would it be? |
| 02:19.52 | JeffM | wiki |
| 02:19.55 | JeffM | or here |
| 02:24.36 | khonkhortisan | Random Page: http://wiki.bzflag.org/Menu_System |
| 02:28.47 | ts3d | Heyboard playing tips? I'm awful |
| 02:28.51 | ts3d | Key* |
| 02:30.10 | brad | tip: use mouse :P |
| 02:30.52 | ts3d | My usb mouse dongle broke |
| 02:31.06 | ts3d | Scumbag MS doesn't sell you replacements.. |
| 02:31.18 | khonkhortisan | For me, the state of owning a joystick requires the use of such, so I don't use mouse |
| 02:32.08 | JeffM | that is the ONLY mouse you have in the house? |
| 02:33.06 | ts3d | Other one is broken aswell |
| 02:33.25 | blast007 | how do you order new batteries when they run out if you can't click the 'checkout' button? |
| 02:33.27 | ts3d | But khon reminded me that I have an old gamepad |
| 02:34.07 | khonkhortisan | where's the list of wiki templates? |
| 02:34.25 | ts3d | one of the knob is kinda wonky but it'll do until i have a mouse |
| 02:35.02 | khonkhortisan | when the left button of my mouse started getting iffy, I just started shooting with the right button instead |
| 02:35.19 | JeffM | how can you not have a drawer full of old mice? |
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| 02:35.29 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: search for 'template:' |
| 02:36.33 | ts3d | I could fix the dongle, only 4 connections to solder. But I lost my solder iron |
| 02:36.35 | ts3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.02 | ts3d | Unintentional paste |
| 02:37.07 | khonkhortisan | I thought so |
| 02:38.41 | ts3d | Joystick is covered in some sort of paste.....ugh, that's why i stashed it away |
| 02:38.50 | JeffM | dude TMI |
| 02:38.57 | blast007 | lol |
| 02:39.42 | ts3d | Hey! Don't just to conclusions |
| 02:39.46 | ts3d | jump* |
| 02:40.24 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Khonkhortisan 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8253 10/Key_Mapping: link to quick keys page soon to be |
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| 02:42.26 | ts3d | Do I need to restart bz for joystick to register? |
| 02:42.31 | khonkhortisan | yes |
| 02:42.42 | khonkhortisan | the axes won't work until then |
| 02:43.17 | ts3d | I might open it up later and try to swap the sticks |
| 02:46.08 | ts3d | Gah the left stick sucks |
| 02:46.19 | JeffM | TMI |
| 02:46.35 | ts3d | I ruined it playing too much sonic |
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| 03:40.03 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Khonkhortisan 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8254 10/Quick_keys: Created quick keys table |
| 03:40.07 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Khonkhortisan 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8255 10/Talk:Quick_keys: Started discussion |
| 03:40.13 | khonkhortisan | How's that? Have at it! |
| 03:40.19 | khonkhortisan | this would be a ridiculous place for an edit war |
| 03:46.32 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r22428 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/SDLMain.m: Silence all the warnings GCC complains about |
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| 03:54.02 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r22429 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: |
| 03:54.02 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: Moved SDLMain.lo target to within the "HAVE_SDL" conditional. |
| 03:54.02 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: Made SDLMain.m an explicit dependency, so the library will re-build the the source is changed. |
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| 04:08.35 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Khonkhortisan 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8256 10/Quick_keys: Initial stab at this |
| 04:13.59 | khonkhortisan | Someone, anyone, move stuff around, delete stuff, fill in the blanks, make this table perfect http://wiki.bzflag.org/Quick_keys |
| 04:15.14 | JeffM | each number should have the same concept |
| 04:15.34 | khonkhortisan | what do you mean? |
| 04:15.40 | JeffM | like Sorry sould be on the same number as don't TK |
| 04:15.47 | JeffM | since they are both similar concepts |
| 04:15.50 | JeffM | aka bad things |
| 04:17.02 | JeffM | as much as can be done |
| 04:17.06 | JeffM | it won't match one to one |
| 04:17.29 | JeffM | you also don't need to default them all |
| 04:17.51 | khonkhortisan | I don't want it to be all me editing it either |
| 04:18.09 | khonkhortisan | (hint) |
| 04:19.41 | JeffM | why not? |
| 04:19.43 | JeffM | it was your idea |
| 04:22.08 | khonkhortisan | I don't want to tell everyone what to say, multiple people should tell everyone what to say. I want it to be well-formed instead of one person's idea of what it should be. |
| 04:22.13 | Quol | khonkhortisan: "Having default team messages can increase teamplay" - that's what skype is for :) |
| 04:22.29 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, it's just defaults, we set defaults all the time |
| 04:22.44 | JeffM | set em to something sane, if we get complaints then we'll change em |
| 04:22.56 | JeffM | we had to pick sane defaults for all the bzdb vars |
| 04:23.11 | JeffM | one thin you have to realize as a developer, bzflag is not a democracy |
| 04:23.36 | JeffM | while it's cool that you have a wiki and want to do a proposal, don't let it go on too long or you'll never get the feature done |
| 04:23.39 | JeffM | everyone won't agree |
| 04:24.08 | JeffM | put what you feel is decent in there, take some comments and see if those comments make sense |
| 04:24.10 | khonkhortisan | that's why I didn't want to put it on the forum |
| 04:24.13 | JeffM | if so then use em, if not ditch em |
| 04:24.25 | JeffM | my comments may be full of crud :) |
| 04:24.35 | khonkhortisan | so may my defaults |
| 04:24.43 | JeffM | they don't look to bad |
| 04:24.57 | JeffM | I'd just fill in the gaps, put sorry on TK and then code it |
| 04:25.07 | JeffM | it's better then not having defaults |
| 04:25.18 | JeffM | and if someone has a better set of defaults later, we'll just change em |
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| 04:26.00 | Quol | as long as they are easily changed - i don't think it matters much - as most serious players have a se config already that they will copy between machines/versions etc.. |
| 04:26.00 | JeffM | I don't think anyone has disagreed with the concept so you are free to implement some inital defaults |
| 04:26.04 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:26.08 | Quol | *set |
| 04:26.17 | JeffM | people arn't going to get up in arms over your choices |
| 04:26.32 | JeffM | not like then do when I say I want to remove Geno :) |
| 04:26.37 | khonkhortisan | yes they are easily set |
| 04:26.48 | JeffM | then yeah shorten em up and go for it |
| 04:26.56 | JeffM | or let it sit a day and see if anyone says anything |
| 04:27.00 | Quol | I have my quick keys set kill orbit :) |
| 04:27.12 | JeffM | but I doubt anyone not reading now will probalby not know to go read the wiki |
| 04:27.19 | Quol | that way I can F1, F2, F3 and kill him repeatedly quickly :) |
| 04:27.41 | khonkhortisan | I could post a link on the forum |
| 04:27.50 | JeffM | that would be a super bad idea |
| 04:28.07 | JeffM | you will never get finished with it |
| 04:28.18 | khonkhortisan | okay I won't |
| 04:28.20 | JeffM | if you want to do forums, then add your defaults |
| 04:28.29 | JeffM | then say "we added defaults, get svn and try it" |
| 04:28.30 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Bullet Catcher 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r0 10/User:Helton: Spamming links to external sites |
| 04:28.53 | JeffM | then it's under the guise of testing, not design |
| 04:29.02 | JeffM | bzflag already is bad due to design by commitie |
| 04:30.34 | BulletCatcher | BTW, welcome to the development team khonkhortisan and Quol! |
| 04:30.44 | BulletCatcher | ~khonkhortisan++ |
| 04:30.49 | BulletCatcher | ~Quol++ |
| 04:30.53 | Quol | ty BulletCatcher :) |
| 04:31.16 | Quol | is really digging Quassel IRC |
| 04:31.20 | khonkhortisan | Quol too? |
| 04:31.30 | JeffM | yeah for wobsites |
| 04:31.30 | Flash | Quol is new? |
| 04:31.32 | Quol | ya - I paid Jeffm :) |
| 04:31.37 | khonkhortisan | this is a nice team, I get a welcome! |
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| 04:32.02 | Quol | Flash: been around forever - hosting servers - but new to dev team |
| 04:32.08 | allejo | khonkhortisan, hiya |
| 04:32.15 | khonkhortisan | hello |
| 04:32.46 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, he changed my stats site from some pictures into the coolness that is, http://quol.bzflag.net/ |
| 04:32.46 | Flash | Quol: I know you are older than dirt... been around longer than me. |
| 04:33.04 | JeffM | ooof...68 |
| 04:33.07 | Flash | I didn't realize you are a new dev |
| 04:33.19 | Quol | heh :) |
| 04:33.37 | Quol | older than dirt - don't know weather to laugh or cry :) |
| 04:33.58 | Flash | I'm pretty close too... just consider it's better than BEING dirt |
| 04:34.08 | Quol | lol - true |
| 04:34.10 | JeffM | hmmm guess wed. is our slow day |
| 04:34.15 | khonkhortisan | Nice to know I played against the "Biggest Jerk This Week" |
| 04:34.28 | Flash | that's quite a claim |
| 04:34.36 | khonkhortisan | it's right on the website |
| 04:34.51 | Quol | ya - that's the dude witht he most TK's |
| 04:34.52 | JeffM | Science proved it |
| 04:34.55 | Flash | many vie for the title... it's brash to claim it for onself |
| 04:34.58 | JeffM | you don't doubt SCIENCE do you? |
| 04:35.00 | khonkhortisan | so it must be true |
| 04:35.36 | BulletCatcher | The new guys get to add themselves to the AUTHORS file. |
| 04:35.37 | BulletCatcher | Please do so under a new 2012 heading in the code contributors section. |
| 04:35.37 | JeffM | hmm, it'd be nice to know the max players for the past 4 weeks too... |
| 04:35.54 | Quol | poor I_Died_once....he must be using my work's internet link |
| 04:36.01 | Quol | JeffM: I can do that |
| 04:36.19 | Quol | kk |
| 04:37.40 | Flash | speaking of apocalypse... time to spank noobs |
| 04:38.34 | khonkhortisan | Hey, I'm already there! |
| 04:38.50 | JeffM | cus of your patches |
| 04:42.24 | khonkhortisan | not many people play at 5:00 in the morning |
| 04:43.02 | JeffM | nope |
| 04:43.10 | JeffM | onece it got down to 0 |
| 04:43.47 | khonkhortisan | that's not a legal move, I challenge |
| 04:44.12 | JeffM | we don't have a large playerbase |
| 04:44.18 | JeffM | way more servers then players these days |
| 04:44.27 | khonkhortisan | I'd heard |
| 04:45.37 | JeffM | I think it was worse in 2.0 |
| 04:45.44 | JeffM | before we added the API key |
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| 05:08.07 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Khonkhortisan 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8257 10/Quick_keys: stab 2 |
| 05:08.36 | khonkhortisan | that is so quick it appears at the same time the page loads |
| 05:11.05 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03nairraf * r22430 10/trunk/bzflag/AUTHORS: thanks for the welcome |
| 05:11.56 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Khonkhortisan 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8258 10/Talk:Quick_keys: guess I don't need this after all |
| 05:13.44 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03khonkhortisan * r22431 10/trunk/bzflag/AUTHORS: same here, added username |
| 05:20.47 | BulletCatcher | khonkhortisan, was your contribution last year or this year? |
| 05:20.54 | BulletCatcher | *first* contribution |
| 05:21.13 | khonkhortisan | my accepted one was this year |
| 05:21.32 | khonkhortisan | I have a patch from last year that wasn't commit-quality |
| 05:22.29 | BulletCatcher | Your first accepted contribution is what counts, so you should be below the 2012 marker. |
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| 05:24.35 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03khonkhortisan * r22432 10/trunk/bzflag/AUTHORS: No pre-dating attribution |
| 05:26.51 | BulletCatcher | I see what happened. JeffM should have added the 2012 marker in r22392. |
| 05:27.03 | JeffM | I should have done lots of things |
| 05:27.18 | BulletCatcher | :-p |
| 05:27.18 | khonkhortisan | like close that one patch |
| 05:27.28 | khonkhortisan | no grudge held |
| 05:28.04 | JeffM | I should have asked the Redhead Girl out |
| 05:28.09 | JeffM | thats where I first went wrong |
| 05:28.23 | BulletCatcher | You're a blockhead, Charlie Brown! |
| 05:28.24 | khonkhortisan | and keeping to your word about being a mean person and driving me away from bzflag :P |
| 05:29.08 | JeffM | someone has to work on bzflag untill I get my stuff playable and start hammerin on that coffin |
| 05:32.27 | Flash | mission accomplished; noobs spanked |
| 05:42.30 | Flash | does Windows have std::vector::front and std::vector::back? |
| 05:45.50 | JeffM | if it's in the std namespace it should be standard |
| 05:46.11 | JeffM | but I can look |
| 05:46.11 | Flash | the wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from |
| 05:46.39 | Flash | I just recently came across them, so I'm wondering if they weren't in the standard when I learned it |
| 05:46.45 | JeffM | I assume you are interested in the verison of C++ that is suported by the version of VC that we use to build bz? |
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| 05:46.52 | Flash | correct |
| 05:47.05 | JeffM | if they wern't in the standard then GCC sure as heck should not be putting them into the std::namespace |
| 05:47.29 | Flash | I found the description on a non-GCC web site, so I believe they are standard now |
| 05:47.51 | JeffM | const_reference front() const |
| 05:47.54 | JeffM | in vector |
| 05:47.56 | JeffM | so yeah |
| 05:48.07 | Flash | cool. There should also be a non-const version |
| 05:48.13 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:48.33 | JeffM | they are used in many algos |
| 05:54.00 | JeffM | thinks he has implemented a basic version valve's network movement system |
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