| 00:29.12 | *** join/#bzflag Propane_Tank (~Propane_T@109.169.80.204) |
| 00:29.48 | Propane_Tank | is there an issue with global auth? when i connect to my server, it says somethin about i need to use global auth. |
| 00:31.41 | blast007 | is it just your server or any of them? |
| 00:32.06 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: ^ |
| 00:32.43 | Propane_Tank | idk. but everyone else on gets authenticated, included my other callsign which is on under bzadmin and he got authenticated |
| 00:32.58 | blast007 | you don't know if other servers work? wtf. GO CHECK. |
| 00:33.27 | Propane_Tank | works on ziggarut |
| 00:33.49 | blast007 | then fix your server |
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| 00:34.41 | Propane_Tank | it's only me tho |
| 00:34.52 | Propane_Tank | and why does my damn bzadmin connection die? |
| 00:35.01 | Foo_man_choo | Watch your language |
| 00:35.09 | Foo_man_choo | ;) |
| 00:35.35 | Foo_man_choo | And propane powered tanks are at a disadvantage ;) |
| 00:36.31 | Foo_man_choo | Anywho... This is a dev channel and all ages and stuf are welcome here so some rules apply. ;) |
| 00:36.33 | Propane_Tank | Foo_man_choo: join bzflag.hostedfree.net:5155 and see if you get authenticated? |
| 00:37.13 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: are you running this on your LAN? |
| 00:37.23 | Propane_Tank | server? no. |
| 00:37.31 | blast007 | nvm, thrustVPS |
| 00:37.34 | Propane_Tank | yeah |
| 00:37.41 | blast007 | are you running the bzadmin on the VPS? |
| 00:37.42 | McSpider | works fine for me... |
| 00:37.54 | blast007 | you need to give us details like this |
| 00:38.00 | Propane_Tank | on my windows one, yes |
| 00:38.02 | blast007 | where are you connecting from? |
| 00:38.04 | Propane_Tank | windows server 2008 |
| 00:38.05 | blast007 | wait |
| 00:38.43 | blast007 | okay, thank god, you're not running the server on the Windows one... |
| 00:38.46 | Propane_Tank | my bzadmin session gets authenticated...but it seems to disconnect randomly, but only on port 5155. so far still connected on port 5154 |
| 00:39.01 | Propane_Tank | blas007: i don't tend to repeat my own history ;) |
| 00:39.04 | blast007 | does it work from your home computer? |
| 00:40.39 | Propane_Tank | bzadmin closes (or crashes) |
| 00:40.52 | Propane_Tank | i am connected to the sevrer via vpn...but i've done it before |
| 00:40.59 | blast007 | run it from a command prompt so you can see if there's any output.. |
| 00:41.10 | blast007 | okay, again, DETAILS |
| 00:41.14 | blast007 | why are you using a VPN? |
| 00:41.17 | blast007 | does it work without the VPN? |
| 00:41.38 | blast007 | also, why are you running a bzadmin? |
| 00:41.48 | blast007 | answer that last one first |
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| 00:41.57 | PropaneTank_ | disconnected from the vpn |
| 00:42.00 | PropaneTank_ | works now |
| 00:42.31 | PropaneTank_ | bzadmin disconnected again on the vps |
| 00:44.07 | PropaneTank_ | holy...blast007: look at 4ce's lag |
| 00:44.10 | Foo_man_choo | hrmph |
| 00:44.16 | Foo_man_choo | I do seem to be authenticating |
| 00:44.20 | PropaneTank_ | is that maybe why i get random disconnects? |
| 00:44.24 | blast007 | no |
| 00:44.29 | PropaneTank_ | foo: we fixed it |
| 00:44.39 | blast007 | that's just bzadmin being a crappily coded application that doesn't respond to the ping packets |
| 00:44.47 | Foo_man_choo | Ah |
| 00:45.09 | Foo_man_choo | bzadmin is weaksauce... usefull.. but weaksauce at times |
| 00:46.03 | Foo_man_choo | hrm.. I do like the auto upgrade feature ;) |
| 00:47.26 | short_circuit | ugh... I want bzflag on my tablet ;) |
| 00:48.00 | zuii | android? |
| 00:48.08 | short_circuit | yep |
| 00:48.14 | short_circuit | with a weird processor |
| 00:48.25 | zuii | cos i made one.. |
| 00:48.28 | short_circuit | and 2.2 and stuff |
| 00:55.21 | blast007 | zuii: you ported BZFlag to OpenGL ES? |
| 00:55.33 | zuii | no not yes |
| 00:55.41 | zuii | yet |
| 00:55.55 | blast007 | then what did you "make" |
| 00:56.08 | zuii | i want to use the ardor3d engine |
| 00:56.12 | zuii | or jme3 |
| 00:56.19 | zuii | and openal |
| 00:56.38 | zuii | but im still with network stuffs.. |
| 00:56.51 | zuii | but i can show you an admin client |
| 00:57.37 | zuii | http://people.inf.elte.hu/toarabi/dev/bzflag/bzadmin.apk |
| 00:58.19 | zuii | this is august version... |
| 00:59.15 | zuii | i overwrote it with a september one.. |
| 00:59.29 | zuii | now.. |
| 01:01.05 | zuii | here is the source : http://bzflag4android.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag4android/ |
| 01:05.37 | zuii | I tried to find that "Score data not updated" bug in BZFlag |
| 01:06.58 | zuii | I think the server doesnt send shotEnd packets when shooting with Laser, SW ? |
| 01:07.06 | zuii | or I dont know xd |
| 01:09.19 | zuii | oh and this little bzadmin app for android uses global login ... |
| 01:09.39 | zuii | thanks to NTH |
| 01:19.21 | blast007 | iirc, shotend is sent for all GMs, and when any other bullet hits a tank |
| 01:22.02 | zuii | i got confused.. |
| 01:22.50 | zuii | i used wireshark...to check whats going on.. maybe I missed something |
| 01:23.00 | zuii | lol |
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| 01:37.29 | blast007 | zuii: if you're gonna write a client, you'd be best reading the CODE, not just the network data ;) |
| 01:38.35 | zuii | yep, but Its really hard to put together the pieces... |
| 01:39.29 | JeffM | why do people insist on writing new clients? |
| 01:40.08 | blast007 | it's an android client, it seems.. |
| 01:40.08 | zuii | really? |
| 01:40.19 | JeffM | why? |
| 01:40.20 | zuii | 1. it is for android.. |
| 01:40.25 | JeffM | why? |
| 01:40.37 | zuii | bzadmin on android |
| 01:40.46 | JeffM | why? |
| 01:40.53 | JeffM | webadmin FTW |
| 01:41.26 | zuii | 2. you were the one who said lets rewrite the BZFlag code in C# |
| 01:41.40 | JeffM | no, I said to make a NEW game in C# |
| 01:41.46 | JeffM | bzflag does things super lame |
| 01:42.00 | zuii | yeah but... some people like chocolate others vanilla |
| 01:42.10 | zuii | ice cream |
| 01:42.12 | JeffM | I wanted to make a new server FIRST |
| 01:42.25 | zuii | oh sorry |
| 01:42.29 | zuii | :D |
| 01:42.37 | JeffM | that way it'd have a clean protocoll |
| 01:42.41 | JeffM | and clients would be easy |
| 01:42.53 | blast007 | there's also plenty of SSH clients for Android that you can use to SSH to a linux system and run bzadmin ;) |
| 01:43.16 | JeffM | or help finish webadmin, then anyone can manage a server from any web enabled device |
| 01:44.38 | zuii | Im trying to help with the current BZFlag bugs.. |
| 01:44.45 | JeffM | cool |
| 01:46.01 | zuii | I just need sometime to understand/read...the code |
| 01:46.19 | JeffM | how much C++ do you know? |
| 01:46.39 | JeffM | if you haven't read the code, how are you helping with bugs? |
| 01:47.14 | zuii | hmm Im a student so.. |
| 01:47.26 | JeffM | so? |
| 01:48.05 | zuii | Im not a beginner |
| 01:48.22 | JeffM | ok, questions still stand :) |
| 01:48.39 | zuii | Im familiar with C++, I created applications with Qt |
| 01:48.43 | JeffM | I know people with a degree that never learned a programing language at all at school |
| 01:49.10 | zuii | but I m not familiar with "game" dev. |
| 01:49.21 | JeffM | software is software |
| 01:49.29 | JeffM | applications just do different things |
| 01:49.33 | zuii | I prefer computer...than paper |
| 01:50.05 | JeffM | what is this paper thing you speak of? |
| 01:50.08 | blast007 | man, I think our site needs to get launched into the sun, or something |
| 01:50.24 | JeffM | repalce it with a tumbler |
| 01:50.26 | blast007 | that picture of "bzadmin running on a phone" needs to die too |
| 01:50.34 | JeffM | yank it |
| 01:50.48 | blast007 | I will |
| 01:50.58 | blast007 | as well as that cat with a lemon peel on it's head |
| 01:50.59 | zuii | I prefer programming on Computer the, drawing little structograms, writing pseudocodes on paper |
| 01:51.06 | blast007 | or a lime, not sure |
| 01:51.11 | JeffM | want me to post all the wiki articles into bzbb as badly formated cut/pastes? |
| 01:51.27 | JeffM | zuii, people still do that? |
| 01:51.34 | zuii | lol |
| 01:51.38 | blast007 | JeffM: nah, that's okay. ;) |
| 01:51.43 | JeffM | I mean whiteboard sure |
| 01:51.45 | zuii | yep, my teachers does.. |
| 01:51.53 | zuii | *do |
| 01:53.17 | JeffM | well still I don't see how you can help with bugs in bzflag unless you have looked at the code |
| 01:53.19 | zuii | what happend with the old forum theme? I liked it...:| |
| 01:53.27 | JeffM | we upgraded |
| 01:53.47 | blast007 | zuii: It got voted off the island. Of course, I was the only one that got a vote. ;) |
| 01:54.03 | zuii | ow |
| 01:54.03 | JeffM | good thing this isn't a democracy |
| 01:54.30 | blast007 | if it was, we'd probably have animated GIFs all over |
| 01:55.17 | JeffM | don't forget the blink tags |
| 01:56.11 | blast007 | <marquee>Look at me go!</marquee> |
| 01:58.59 | I_Died_Once | god damn it those werent even in english, blast |
| 01:59.51 | I_Died_Once | i completly apologize, the wrong channel was on top |
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| 16:43.56 | JeffM | why is google so hard to use? |
| 16:45.12 | blast007 | because people can't enter the right terms on yahoo to find google |
| 16:45.18 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:45.37 | blast007 | "a better search engine" "Results: bing" "no, that's not it...hmmmmmm" |
| 16:45.59 | JeffM | so instead they hack out the binary offset of a structure that isn't exposed in an API for a plugin for an OS nobody hosts on? |
| 16:46.12 | blast007 | yeah ... |
| 16:46.16 | blast007 | that blew my mind |
| 16:46.37 | JeffM | I wonder what "language" he's using to make a "windows dll" |
| 16:47.53 | blast007 | english |
| 16:48.10 | blast007 | with a hint of klingon |
| 16:48.21 | blast007 | (used for binary offsets) |
| 16:48.33 | blast007 | but yeah.. |
| 17:04.51 | JeffM | I built a set of bins anyway |
| 17:06.53 | JeffM | so our IT guy found this, https://www.enzu.com/resell-cloud-servers.php |
| 17:07.20 | blast007 | they spelled multiple wrong |
| 17:07.28 | JeffM | it seems you can spend 32$ a month and split up the bandwith/ram over up to 10 VPSs |
| 17:07.36 | JeffM | so you could make some big ones and some small ones |
| 17:07.53 | blast007 | neat |
| 17:07.56 | JeffM | that's a really cheap price |
| 17:08.57 | JeffM | seems almost too cheap |
| 17:10.26 | blast007 | the VPS host is probably just consumer grade hardware |
| 17:11.01 | blast007 | but it does seem almost to good to be true. getting a dedicated server with those specs would cost more. |
| 17:11.08 | JeffM | well it's suposed to be "cloud" |
| 17:11.14 | JeffM | whatever that means |
| 17:11.32 | blast007 | cloud just means virtualized ;) |
| 17:11.52 | blast007 | I could put a "cloud" on a cluster of Intel Atom systems :P |
| 17:12.58 | JeffM | well still does that mean it's at least spread over multiple hosts? |
| 17:13.07 | JeffM | so if one host dies your stuff stays up? |
| 17:13.15 | blast007 | not necessarily |
| 17:13.17 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:13.21 | blast007 | they could put all your stuff on a single host |
| 17:13.34 | JeffM | if it was then I'd not care if they used crap hardware, as long as it had failover |
| 17:13.55 | blast007 | if a host dies, your stuff could still go down |
| 17:14.06 | JeffM | untill they transfer it to a new one |
| 17:14.11 | blast007 | they'd have to pull the data off or restore from a backup |
| 17:14.26 | blast007 | doubting they use a SAN for the storage, so it's probably local storage |
| 17:15.11 | blast007 | well, they do mention "cloud storage" |
| 17:15.13 | blast007 | https://www.enzu.com/cloud-server-features.php |
| 17:15.17 | blast007 | again, whatever that means |
| 17:15.51 | JeffM | probably a san of some sort |
| 17:16.14 | JeffM | so far I have not had any issue with my 7$ machine |
| 17:16.16 | blast007 | maybe it's just a fog machine running 24/7 |
| 17:16.27 | JeffM | dry ice, for cooling |
| 17:16.50 | blast007 | they did that at first, but the interns kept licking it |
| 17:17.27 | blast007 | https://www.enzu.com/cloud-server-faq.php#console |
| 17:17.31 | blast007 | more buzzwords! AJAX! |
| 17:17.49 | JeffM | well I've used that, and it's correct |
| 17:17.59 | JeffM | they give me an in browser console to the VM |
| 17:18.10 | JeffM | let me fix my firewall problem |
| 17:18.18 | JeffM | it was pretty slick |
| 17:18.22 | blast007 | how does it send your screen data via XML? |
| 17:18.40 | JeffM | I have no clue |
| 17:18.49 | blast007 | that's my point - it doesn't really ;) |
| 17:19.57 | blast007 | I just like when companies try to use a high concentration of buzzwords |
| 17:24.23 | blast007 | they don't seem to care much about their website either |
| 17:24.32 | blast007 | their FAQ is pretty crappy.. |
| 17:24.51 | blast007 | the list of supported OSs isn't updated there, for instance |
| 17:27.26 | blast007 | they don't mention what KIND of hardware they use, just that it's "the latest" |
| 17:29.34 | JeffM | oh I'm sure all that crap was written by marketing people :) |
| 17:29.42 | JeffM | so they don't have to update it often |
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| 17:35.46 | JeffM | where did beta.bzflag move to? |
| 17:39.49 | blast007 | that's still pointing to the old server |
| 17:40.02 | blast007 | I didn't do anything with the .bz domains |
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| 17:51.40 | JeffM | goes back to thinking about storing maps in sql databases |
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| 18:19.43 | JeffM | blast007, do SQL systems general compres data on disk? |
| 18:19.58 | blast007 | dunno |
| 18:20.07 | blast007 | probably not |
| 18:20.13 | JeffM | and how hard is it to set up one to many replication |
| 18:20.23 | JeffM | like one master DB that feeds changes to a bunch of read only copies? |
| 18:20.28 | blast007 | never done replication |
| 18:20.43 | JeffM | I would think it would not be too hard |
| 18:20.43 | blast007 | read-only slaves shouldn't be too hard though |
| 18:20.47 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:21.26 | blast007 | neat, "4 October 2011 - In light of a recent security incident, customers are advised to update their antivirus definitions and run a full antivirus scan on all computers that accessed the MySQL site between September 20th, 2011 and September 28th, 2011. Also, out of an abundance of caution, we advise MySQL account holders to then change their MySQL account passwords." |
| 18:21.43 | JeffM | hah |
| 18:21.45 | JeffM | nice |
| 18:23.33 | JeffM | I"m thinking of replication for 2 reasons, 1 for auth, have a master site that does edits and just replicates out to a cloud of auth servers. and 2 a REALY big world that is stored in chunks in a database where the are multiple servers managing the players in the various chunks, as well as update servers that are pushing out chunks for clients to cache |
| 18:23.33 | blast007 | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/replication.html |
| 18:24.47 | blast007 | a "big world" as in, the game state? |
| 18:24.56 | JeffM | no just a map |
| 18:25.17 | JeffM | states would be broken up into chunks too and handled by multiple game servers |
| 18:25.21 | blast007 | why put it in a database then? |
| 18:25.29 | blast007 | it's just a file, no? |
| 18:25.35 | JeffM | for fast access by multiple things over multiple machines |
| 18:25.46 | JeffM | and to propigate updes |
| 18:25.49 | blast007 | a database would be slower than just raw files |
| 18:26.06 | JeffM | yeah I was thinking of having the local game servers cache out the parts they need |
| 18:26.23 | blast007 | I'd say just use HTTP for that |
| 18:26.26 | JeffM | but then someone could edit some clusters and send out updates to all the game servers and clients |
| 18:26.32 | JeffM | probably |
| 18:26.38 | JeffM | just keep a file store then |
| 18:26.48 | blast007 | and then run squid caches at the various distribution points |
| 18:26.59 | JeffM | yeah that's probably faster |
| 18:27.32 | blast007 | and if the map changes, push it out under a new filename so you avoid stale cache |
| 18:27.45 | JeffM | well each chunk has a checksum |
| 18:28.14 | blast007 | still, you'd waste bandwidth grabbing stale chunks |
| 18:28.37 | blast007 | and why even split it up into chunks? |
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| 18:29.05 | blast007 | gzip or bzip the files |
| 18:29.43 | blast007 | send them to the client and store them compressed, and read the uncompressed data into memory when needed |
| 18:47.34 | JeffM | yeah that's the idea for that part |
| 18:47.45 | JeffM | tho the game servers only need part of each cluster |
| 18:47.57 | JeffM | they don't need the graphic faces, just the collision info |
| 18:52.43 | blast007 | have some pre-processor on the master server that generates the collision info from the map |
| 18:52.57 | blast007 | and have two files - one for the client, one for the server |
| 18:54.54 | blast007 | could the graphical faces not be useful for the server though? for instance - you don't need to send any (or at least, as many) updates for a player that cannot be seen because they are obscured by a solid wall |
| 18:55.08 | JeffM | oh the collision info is already a seperate structure, it's not based on the faces :) |
| 18:55.15 | blast007 | k |
| 18:55.39 | JeffM | and the collision info defines what can and can't be seen |
| 18:55.42 | blast007 | k |
| 18:56.09 | JeffM | I could just have something strip the faces for the server repository |
| 18:57.07 | JeffM | I was just thinking that if the collision info and the face info were in tables I could build an interface that could return just collsion info or collision info and face data |
| 18:57.12 | JeffM | from one datastore |
| 18:57.27 | JeffM | and there would be relativly fast lookups of each cluster |
| 18:58.08 | blast007 | GET /maps/some_map.collision.gz HTTP/1.1 vs GET /maps/some_map.gz HTTP/1.1 ;) |
| 18:58.33 | JeffM | yeah I could do the merge in http |
| 18:58.42 | JeffM | each cluster is just XML data |
| 18:58.46 | blast007 | nah, don't need to merge |
| 18:58.56 | JeffM | well I can merge on the client then |
| 18:58.58 | blast007 | one has collision data, one has both collision and faces |
| 18:59.01 | JeffM | the client needs them merged |
| 18:59.14 | JeffM | since both the client and server use the same object for state managment |
| 18:59.21 | JeffM | the server can jsut have the face list be empty |
| 18:59.51 | blast007 | how large is the collision data going to be once compressed? |
| 19:00.03 | JeffM | super small |
| 19:00.11 | JeffM | it's a 3d array of booleans |
| 19:00.16 | blast007 | then probably not worth an extra HTTP request |
| 19:00.27 | blast007 | so just pack it into the bigger file and don't worry about merging on the client |
| 19:00.30 | JeffM | its the face data that is the big part |
| 19:02.06 | JeffM | mostly I'm trying to see how viable a large streaming world is |
| 19:02.26 | JeffM | where the clients only have the chunks they can see and are sent the chunks they are going to move into just as they need them |
| 19:02.28 | blast007 | ah |
| 19:02.59 | JeffM | and if it can work with multiple game servers reading that data and sending out info to players |
| 19:03.12 | JeffM | with those game servers connected to a master state manager on the backend |
| 19:03.37 | blast007 | wouldn't that just induce more latency? |
| 19:03.43 | JeffM | thats what I want to know |
| 19:03.49 | JeffM | I think it depends on what each thing does |
| 19:04.07 | JeffM | I'd have the servers the clients connect to do fast things like collisions |
| 19:04.17 | blast007 | for an MMO, I could see that being useful |
| 19:04.21 | blast007 | less so for an FPS |
| 19:04.30 | JeffM | yeah this would be more MMO style |
| 19:04.33 | blast007 | k |
| 19:04.46 | blast007 | then yeah, the chunking stuff makes more sense now |
| 19:04.48 | JeffM | the FPS stuff would have to take place on the server closest to the client |
| 19:05.19 | blast007 | I'd say have a database that you can query to figure out which chunk of the map needs to be grabbed |
| 19:05.29 | blast007 | but do the actual grabbing from a static HTTP server |
| 19:05.46 | blast007 | or at least cache the data with a proxy |
| 19:05.58 | JeffM | yeah I wanted the clients to connect to an HTTP server to get the actual data |
| 19:06.03 | JeffM | and they'd do that in a background thread |
| 19:06.15 | JeffM | but have that pull from the same datastore the servers are using |
| 19:07.43 | JeffM | I just have wierd ideas and wonder how they'd work out :) |
| 19:08.45 | blast007 | you'd have to throttle the map loading so you don't flood our their pipe :) |
| 19:08.55 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:09.05 | JeffM | thats why I'd put it in a background thread |
| 19:09.11 | JeffM | give it transfer limits |
| 19:12.42 | blast007 | so you thinking of the map being split into a grid, and loading sections of that grid on demand? |
| 19:12.49 | JeffM | yes |
| 19:12.55 | blast007 | could be pretty seamless if you throw some fog up ;) |
| 19:12.56 | JeffM | it is an evenly split grid |
| 19:13.08 | JeffM | yeah there would be a view distance |
| 19:13.21 | blast007 | I could see that working out pretty well |
| 19:13.40 | blast007 | they'd have a local cache, so if they backtrack the files are already loaded |
| 19:14.20 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:14.53 | JeffM | the would would be able to be updated, but I'd only do it rarely and then they'd just have bad checksums for the cached clusters |
| 19:15.04 | JeffM | bassicly you'd have everywhere you went in your cache :) |
| 19:15.11 | blast007 | yep |
| 19:15.52 | blast007 | similar to what Tibia does, at least with their map display - as you move around it expands your little map view, and if you go back to a spot that was changed, it will update the map as you walk |
| 19:16.33 | blast007 | don't know if they cache the actual game area, or if it's just the map |
| 19:16.42 | blast007 | the mini map* |
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| 19:34.34 | blast007 | http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ hmmm.. |
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| 20:18.24 | JeffM | yeah that's suposed to build packages on all the platforms |
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| 22:37.01 | cp | ~bzfquery charliep.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 22:38.54 | cp | ~bzfquery charliep.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 22:39.08 | JeffM | that bot has had issues for a long while |
| 22:39.18 | cp | oh |
| 22:39.29 | JeffM | tim dosn't care enough to fix it |
| 22:39.38 | cp | oh well |
| 22:40.23 | JeffM | it has never worked for 2.4 |
| 22:40.33 | JeffM | and he never fixed it to use the new list server URL |
| 22:41.11 | cp | question |
| 22:41.19 | cp | im trying to set up a server for friends |
| 22:41.39 | cp | is it possible to make a server accessible from the internet without listing it anywhere/ |
| 22:41.41 | cp | *? |
| 22:41.46 | JeffM | sure |
| 22:41.54 | JeffM | people can type in the IP/host directly |
| 22:42.08 | JeffM | you won't be able to use authenticaton services but it'll work just fine |
| 22:42.19 | cp | how do i do that? |
| 22:42.25 | JeffM | just run the server |
| 22:42.32 | JeffM | and make sure that the internet can get to it |
| 22:42.48 | cp | i don't need to specify anything but the hostname? |
| 22:42.54 | JeffM | nope |
| 22:43.08 | JeffM | the server dosn't know what an "internet game" is |
| 22:43.14 | cp | do i still need publicaddr? |
| 22:43.15 | JeffM | it just listens for packets |
| 22:43.16 | JeffM | nope |
| 22:43.23 | JeffM | cus you arn't listing with the public server |
| 22:43.28 | cp | cool |
| 22:43.29 | JeffM | that public stuff is just for the list |
| 22:43.46 | JeffM | just tell people the hostname:port to use |
| 22:44.43 | cp | k |
| 23:00.48 | cp | two questions |
| 23:01.01 | cp | is there a way to make the game type random? |
| 23:01.06 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:01.22 | cp | and is there a way to do a timed game? |
| 23:01.29 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:01.56 | cp | how? |
| 23:03.18 | brad | http://bzstats.strayer.de/bzinfo/options/ <- see -time and -timemanual |
| 23:10.57 | cp | thanks |
| 23:25.57 | blast007 | if you want to be able to use auth services, but only want it to show up for a certain group (or for noone) you can use the -advertise option |
| 23:26.15 | blast007 | -advertise NONE would make it not show up for anyone |
| 23:26.37 | blast007 | -advertise SOME.GROUP would make it show up for anyone in the 'SOME.GROUP' group on the forum |
| 23:27.07 | blast007 | you'd have to have everything else set up like a public server, of course, so you'd need a server key, public description, etc |
| 23:39.35 | cp | k |
| 23:39.46 | cp | thx |
| 23:50.29 | cp | can i change the map while the server is running? |
| 23:55.46 | cp | or have it do a random map? |
