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| 06:44.02 | apeman | how come bz_setMaxWaitTime was removed? Any alternative? |
| 07:02.32 | allejo | Yes. bz_setMaxWaitTime was replaced with the "MaxWaitTime" variable |
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| 20:52.18 | _YI_ | I have a question.... |
| 20:53.17 | _YI_ | Has Anyone had a problem with bzflag 2.4(on Windows XP) that when i minimize it or select another program it crashes?? |
| 20:55.55 | JeffM | _YI_, probably your video driver |
| 20:56.17 | _YI_ | so do you think reloading it would fix it? |
| 20:56.28 | JeffM | reloading what? |
| 20:56.39 | _YI_ | the driver |
| 20:56.46 | JeffM | the same driver, probalby not |
| 20:56.54 | JeffM | is there an updated one? |
| 20:57.34 | _YI_ | dunno..ill check |
| 20:57.41 | JeffM | what card do you have? |
| 20:58.42 | _YI_ | I got a ATI something or other |
| 20:58.53 | JeffM | you will need to find out exactly what it is |
| 20:59.10 | _YI_ | yeah im trying |
| 20:59.26 | JeffM | is it a deskop or laptop? |
| 21:00.38 | _YI_ | laptop |
| 21:00.48 | JeffM | you may be limited then |
| 21:00.54 | JeffM | what model/make? |
| 21:01.06 | _YI_ | IBM Thinkpad T43 |
| 21:01.12 | _YI_ | kinda old |
| 21:01.33 | JeffM | well XP is an old OS, driver support is limited for it these days |
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| 21:03.23 | _YI_ | i found the ATI model |
| 21:06.56 | _YI_ | i Am downloading it now...it will take bout 20 minutes |
| 21:07.49 | JeffM | that's ether a huge driver or slow internet |
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| 21:23.15 | blast007 | _YI_: when do you minimize it? is it while you are connecting to a server? |
| 21:24.33 | blast007 | because that does cause it to crash, and it won't be a driver issue |
| 21:25.03 | blast007 | if you're already joined to the server and had been playing and then minize, that would be different |
| 21:27.30 | _YI_ | no blast |
| 21:27.44 | _YI_ | It is any time the bzflag client is running |
| 21:27.49 | blast007 | k |
| 21:28.02 | blast007 | then yeah, see if the driver helps |
| 21:35.09 | _YI_ | well online it said it was the right driver but when i was setting it up...it said it wasnt |
| 21:35.23 | blast007 | welcome to laptop graphics chipsets :P |
| 21:35.34 | _YI_ | haha yeah.... |
| 21:35.49 | blast007 | did you check what version is available from IBM directly for your speciifc system? |
| 21:37.23 | _YI_ | what is weird though is on another user on the computer....it doesn't always crash when i minimize it...only about 25% of the time |
| 21:37.44 | _YI_ | check directly?? like of the internet?? |
| 21:38.44 | blast007 | check, like, on their site |
| 21:38.53 | blast007 | probably through Lenovo's support site |
| 21:39.24 | blast007 | http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/downloads/detail.page?DocID=DS013699 |
| 21:39.49 | blast007 | compare the version there with what you have installed |
| 21:40.42 | _YI_ | ok |
| 21:40.46 | blast007 | many times the graphics drivers for a laptop are customized, so you can't just use a driver from ATI/nVidia/Intel directly - at least not without manually installing the driver, and possibly losing some functionality |
| 21:41.27 | blast007 | they may, for instance, tweak the driver to handle switching from the internal display to the external display when you press Fn+F6 |
| 21:42.42 | _YI_ | ok....so i have 6.14 installed...the new one you found (Thanks) is 8.14 |
| 21:42.55 | _YI_ | *8.59 |
| 21:50.29 | JeffM | lenovo's can be wierd, some of them have 2 graphics system, integrated and descrete and you can swap between them |
| 21:51.03 | _YI_ | Well my computer is IBM they switched the thinkpads to lenovo i think after the next model |
| 21:51.33 | JeffM | also XP is super old, we don't do any testing to ensure that bz works on XP |
| 21:51.44 | JeffM | we are using the last compiler that expressly supports it |
| 21:52.05 | _YI_ | wow....now i feel like im a caveman. :P |
| 21:52.15 | JeffM | XP is nearly 10 years old |
| 21:52.23 | JeffM | even MS has desuported it for most things |
| 21:52.53 | _YI_ | Well if you ever want bzflag tested on XP just ask me. |
| 21:52.57 | JeffM | the next version of what we make here at work won't even support XP |
| 21:53.06 | JeffM | we won't spend any time fixing XP specific bugs |
| 21:53.07 | _YI_ | uh oh |
| 21:53.35 | JeffM | just like we don't spend any time worrying about IRIX support anymore |
| 21:53.38 | _YI_ | When is bzflag 3 comming out...or is t unknown |
| 21:53.45 | JeffM | it is never known |
| 21:54.03 | JeffM | at present I doubt that there will be another major release |
| 21:54.14 | _YI_ | not enough players? |
| 21:54.23 | JeffM | players don't write code |
| 21:54.28 | JeffM | so they have nothing to do with it |
| 21:54.38 | JeffM | not enough interest by developers it seems |
| 21:55.02 | _YI_ | hmm....Well i would like to help but i dont know any code languages |
| 21:57.49 | _YI_ | Are all of the people on the right really online?? cause i havent seen them playing for years |
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| 22:00.47 | _YI_ | I have to restart my computer so ill be gone for a bit. |
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| 22:08.11 | _YI_ | Well! it works perfectly! Thanks so much JeffM and Blast007....You made my day :P |
| 22:24.21 | blast007 | cool :) simple fixes are the best |
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| 22:34.56 | _YI_ | actually |
| 22:35.30 | _YI_ | there is a problem... |
| 22:36.15 | _YI_ | When i play(i even went to the lowest graphics possible) it jerks around like it could even project very low graphics |
| 22:39.47 | _YI_ | gah...computers are annoying |
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| 22:55.30 | JeffM | try setting it to high |
| 22:55.34 | JeffM | modern cards hate low |
| 22:58.13 | _YI_ | Nah that makes it really bad....you think it could be the video format on bzflag? |
| 22:58.21 | JeffM | no |
| 22:58.31 | JeffM | set it to high and turn off blending and smoothing |
| 22:58.37 | JeffM | ATI cards can be wierd |
| 22:58.51 | JeffM | our "high" isn't that high |
| 22:58.56 | JeffM | it was high in 1995 |
| 23:00.31 | _YI_ | hmm...that doesnt work either... |
| 23:01.04 | _YI_ | Sounds like i need to just reload a newer version of windows |
| 23:06.56 | _YI_ | i tested all of the graphic qualities...and i found a combination that was good |
| 23:13.25 | _YI_ | I found out what was wrong |
| 23:13.35 | _YI_ | the Energy saver cannot be off |
| 23:13.41 | _YI_ | Weird but whatever |
| 23:49.43 | JeffM | the energy saver is a frame rate limiter |
| 23:49.54 | JeffM | so when it's on it'll limit you to 30 fps |
| 23:53.12 | blast007 | if it gets "jerky" when the energy saver is turned off, you might just be overheating :P |
| 23:53.30 | blast007 | also ensure that you're running on AC power, not the battery |