IRC log for #bzflag on 20110219

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00:09.16JeffMif you are on a system with a terminal ;)
00:09.58KTLwhatever ide you use probably has a terminal window
00:10.06KTLsome ... output thing
00:10.23JeffMbut it dosn't always read from std err
00:11.01KTLmmm ... /me never made any c++ outside of emacs/screen/linux
00:11.05JeffMin release on windows std out and err go nowhere
00:11.20JeffManything with a winmain dosn't get a dosbox terminal
00:11.51KTLand if you start the thing inside a dosbox terminal?
00:11.57JeffMnope
00:12.15JeffMif it has a winmain ( not a main) it starts the app just like you double clicked it
00:12.26KTLah ... windows api ...
00:12.34JeffMthere is a fundimental diff between windows gui aps and windows console apps
00:12.42JeffMyeah
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00:12.53JeffMso like the code I did for Constitution dosn't have a main
00:12.58JeffMit has a winmain
00:13.11JeffMso all his stuff that writes to std out don't go nowhere
00:13.29KTLlooking at the pastebin Constitution uses linux
00:13.35JeffMnope
00:13.37JeffMOSX
00:13.47JeffMbut close enough for guberment work
00:13.56KTLthe winmain compiles in osx?
00:14.08JeffMno, he has a platform specific class/fileset
00:14.08KTLso there is some ... adapting layer
00:14.10KTLah
00:14.11JeffMfor each of his platform
00:14.12JeffMyeah
00:14.20JeffMI had to write a windows main.cpp for his port
00:14.36JeffMit's abstracted pretty decently
00:14.44JeffMeach local main calls his common main pretty quick
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00:14.52JeffMthen it's all common code
00:15.11JeffMbzflag does something similar
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00:16.23ConstitutionI use linux too... fortunately they are fairly similar, although apple makes me grumble more and more of late
00:17.44Constitutionthe move away from gcc should be interesting :) and 10.7 had better include drivers for at least OpenGL 3.0 or there will be hell to pay
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00:22.08Juestanybody running windows?
00:22.22Juestand having compiler and all needed for bzflag?
00:22.56Juesthelllo?
00:23.50JeffMdude give it up
00:23.53JeffMmost devs are linux
00:24.06Juesti won't
00:24.14Juestand blast uses win
00:24.59JeffMif you don't I will on your behaf
00:25.03JeffMlast warning
00:25.23Juest:( ok, i won't gving up but i won't bother
00:25.39Juesteven i won't be here
00:41.30Cobra_Fastat least hes showing some real interest now
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00:43.30KTLmaybe he will eventually release bzflag 4.0
00:43.47kierrahmmm
00:43.55kierraits not dead yet
00:44.01kierrahugs JeffM
00:44.47JeffMno he has interst in talking to people not the code
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01:12.16trepankierra: smells dead, is dead?
01:14.33blast007KTL: no, he'll release bzflag 2.1!
01:14.44blast007which is just 2.0.x with better graphics!
01:16.11KTL:)
01:16.46KTLthe path of life isnt always straight, it leads us to many ... versions
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02:23.41Juesti am back
02:23.51Juestand i could play at that server
02:24.10Juestahs3! still eating?
02:29.37Juest~bzflist
02:30.02Juest:0 where's the ip?
02:30.07Juestah there
02:30.14Juestah there:(
02:30.20Juest13 and it says full  :(
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02:58.16jacko_hHey people
03:00.28jacko_hWell when blast007 comes back I wanna talk to him :D
03:01.04Juestjacko i am zz
03:11.29jacko_hOh hi zz
03:13.40Juestjacko
03:13.45Juestit haves pw
03:13.50Juestjust using group
03:25.29Juestjacko?
04:02.38blast007and now jacko comes on when I'm killing zombies
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15:07.44KTL(when setting the _skyColor ... how to define a rgb color?)
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15:11.13KTLah got to use ""
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20:44.43Juesthello, how to bind noGUI???
20:44.48Juestin config file
20:44.51Juestwhat to put
20:46.07Juesthell?
20:46.10Juesthello?
20:48.32Juestanyone?
20:48.51kierramost are busy atm
20:48.56kierramaybe later
20:49.27Juest:(
20:49.40kierra:(
20:49.54Juesthow many channels are on freenode?
20:50.01kierrabunches
20:51.07kierratry ##guleague, ##ducleague, #bzflat-chat
20:51.16kierrabut duplicate ppl will be there
20:51.51kierragoes back to cooking
21:07.11Juestneeds to know what to bind to get noGUI
21:08.18blast007nah
21:08.34blast007just do it manually
21:08.40blast007no need for it to have a bind
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21:24.15KTLrediscovers his bzflag-guide from 2003 and ... sees spelling errors ... but the game hasnt changed.
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21:52.54BulletCatcherJuest: Most of the people you see in the BZFlag IRC channels are connected 24 hours a day, even when they are away from their computer.
21:52.58BulletCatcherThe best way to get answers to questions here is to just ask, and then wait patiently for an answer.
21:52.59BulletCatcherIt may take several hours for someone who knows the answer to see the question and reply.
22:08.08McSpiderJuest: Try this, bind <key> down "toggle noGUI"
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22:12.50Constitutionis there a quick way to turn a #define'd constant into a char string?
22:12.58Jacko_hhi
22:13.15kierrahi Jacko_h
22:13.31Jacko_hI dont think blast is on kierra :(
22:14.05Constitutiondid you even try?
22:14.16Jacko_hBlast007 are you there?
22:14.23Constitutionthere you go :)
22:14.26KTLConstitution, those macro's generate code
22:14.35KTLsee them as a preprocessing step
22:15.17KTL(but you probably allready do so i dont see what the problem is)
22:15.43ConstitutionKTL: I don't need it to be a macro... I just want a constant with "s around the same value of the original constant
22:16.24Jacko_hKierra How do I pm blast007?
22:16.32Constitutionso for instance, I have #define FOO bar, and I want FOO_STR to be "bar"
22:16.56ConstitutionI thought there was a one-line way to do that
22:17.40BulletCatcher#define FOO_STR \"FOO\" may do it
22:17.45Jacko_hDoes anyone know how I pm blast007 Im on some free network irc
22:18.17KTLjust see it as a regexp replace ... you can put anything behind those #define's, pieces of code, everything
22:19.14ConstitutionBulletCatcher: suppose I don't know the value of FOO in advance... can I take the value and #define the same thing but with quotes?
22:19.36ConstitutionKTL: yes, but I need to substitute the value in... was wondering if there was a way to do that
22:19.46BulletCatcherUse what I wrote literally.
22:20.31kierrajust a sec, jacko
22:20.46kierraoh guys, foo is invaluable ;)
22:20.59kierraJacko_h: he may be afk
22:21.13Constitutiongives me a bunch of errors about "missing terminating " character"
22:21.43ConstitutionJacko_h: type "/msg blast007 <message>"
22:21.57Jacko_hhe is always afk :)
22:22.07Jacko_hfor the last 5 days :)
22:22.21Constitution~seen blast007
22:22.22ibotblast007 is currently on #gsoc #bzflag ##ducleague ##guleague #bzflag-chat. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 1h 13m 42s, last said: 'no need for it to have a bind'.
22:22.38Constitutionhe was active just over an hour ago, but nice try
22:23.43Constitutionleave him a message, and if you're still on when he comes back, he will get back to you
22:23.59Constitutionthe problem is that you leave 5 minutes after asking something
22:24.23BulletCatcherJust to be sure, did you try #define FOO_STR "FOO" const?  It may be that simple.
22:25.08Constitutionyeah, FOO_STR ends up with the same value as FOO
22:26.25BulletCatcherCan you not just type "FOO" as needed in your code, rather than FOO_STR?
22:27.17Constitutionthat inserts a literal "FOO"... the preprocessor doesn't substitute the value inside string literals
22:27.38Constitutionunless I'm doing something wrong...
22:27.58Jacko_hwhats the command for a new place?
22:28.24Constitutionoh wait... I am an idiot
22:30.10Constitutionguess actually using FOO_STR instead of FOO when I need the string would help ;) not sure that fixed the problem though
22:30.23BulletCatcherlol
22:30.39blast007Jacko_h: I'm on
22:31.50Jacko_hhi blast!
22:32.00KTLmmm seems you can redefine a macro, compiler will warn about it though
22:33.27Constitutionyeah, unfortunately, the results were the same
22:34.38Constitutionwell, I can define the string at the same time I define the constant... it will take me 2 more lines of code, but I think I will live
22:35.59Constitutionthis is the actual code: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sUBtVav9
22:39.24KTLsilly mmm
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22:41.35Packmanwhat's the difference between net and shot branches?
22:42.10blast007diff them
22:42.27BulletCatcherThe net branch is an attempt to use common code to provide the network stack.
22:42.40BulletCatcherThe shot branch attempts to track shots on the server.
22:43.07KTLConstitution, i guess i used the version with " everywhere and only
22:43.17Packmanso clients have no say in whether they get shot?
22:43.27BulletCatcherCorrect.
22:44.01Packmandoes the server consider their lag, or assume they have none
22:44.21ConstitutionKTL: yeah I guess I can't even do comparisons on that, so I guess I'll use #define PROGRAM_ARCH_MACOSX or similar instead
22:44.38KTLo it is simple
22:44.44KTL#define MacOSX "my mac"                                                                                                                                                                      
22:44.44KTL#define PROGRAM_ARCH MacOSX      
22:44.54BulletCatcherThe server only considers its own view when tracking shots and detecting hits.
22:45.47BulletCatcherAlthough I think the client attaches a timestamp to a shot beginning, when the server uses.
22:45.53BulletCatchers/when/which/
22:47.18BulletCatcherBut both of those branches were abandoned before they produced useable code.
22:47.59KTLConstitution, not sure but what about http://pastebin.com/0bzjv36Z
22:48.24Packmanwhich is 3.0 alpha 2 similar to?
22:49.21BulletCatcherNeither.
22:50.18BulletCatcherThose branches were never merged into trunk.
22:50.53PackmanI found a bug in SegmentedShotStrategy for 2.0, so I thought i'd see how 3.0 is, but I can't where the equivalent might be at a glance
22:51.30BulletCatchersrc/clientbase/SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx
22:51.34ConstitutionKTL: I was hoping to define the string in one line from the constant, but I don't think I can. regardless, I can't do what I was trying anyway, since I can't do stuff like #if PROGRAM_ARCH==MacOSX anyway
22:51.47ConstitutionI found another approach though
22:51.49Packmanoh, separate from bzflag/ now
22:52.34BulletCatcherYeah, the trunk code was reorganized vs. branch.
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23:53.20Jacko_hI just wanna do some GU
23:54.29kierrayou can play on the public servers
23:55.29PackmanCan you host bzfs on mac?

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